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2012-12-17 11:23:58 AM
5 votes:
I don't know why everyone is so excited about a Higgs boson. That's just one step above a Higgs Able Seaman.
2012-12-17 11:58:51 AM
4 votes:
25.media.tumblr.com

What the higgs Bosoms might look like.
2012-12-17 12:15:20 PM
3 votes:

Citrate1007: Unlike many internet armchair physicists.....I don't even pretend to be able fathom why the fark the particle is so important, let alone what it is. I just like it because ignorant Christian "scientists" get their panties in a bunch over it.


The best way I've had it explained to me-
(NOTE: I AM NOT A HIGH ENERGY OR PARTICLE OR THEORETICAL PHYSICIST. I'm a Nano-physicist. THIS IS NOT MY FIELD. I also don't *quite* have my PhD yet.)

According to some theory whose name I don't remember, The Higgs Boson gives rise to the Higgs Field, which is, in turn, what causes *EVERYTHING* to have mass.

Like... picture a big, vast field of wet snow, with various objects being pushed/moving through it. Some objects will slide through the snow 'faster' than others (due to how they're shaped, or what they're made of, etc; The inherent properties of the object.). As in our world, some particles have more or less mass based on how they interact with the Higgs field.

But pretend that the snow is EVERYWHERE. You've never seen anywhere that's *not* snow, and since it's wet it all sticks together and it's hard to see what the snow is *made* of.

So you throw dynamite in it to try and blow up chunks into the air, so you can watch how they fall/etc. That's (SORT OF) what the LHC is doing. We've 'seen' a snowflake, in a sense: The particle that gives rise to the whole field which makes things have mass.

Does this have practical applications now? Probably not. But Electricity and Magnetism used to just be scientific curiosities, as well. So who knows how this will be used in the future? Maybe we'll find ways to 'insulate' things from the field.

(If I am wrong, someone PLEASE call me out and correct me! This was just my best understanding of it.)
2012-12-17 12:34:06 PM
2 votes:

Dr. Whoof: Frogfoot: The theory is that the Higgs particle gives things mass. If (big if) we can learn to manipulate the Higgs then we might be able to manipulate the mass of objects.
e.g. Need to move something? Get Higgs cancelers and move whatever you want easily. Need that oil tanker out of the gulf before it spills everything? Use your Higgs cancelers and away it goes, off to dry dock for repair and crude oil transfer.

You're thinking small. If you can "cancel" mass, luminal speeds should be possible, aka "lightspeed".

And the scientists still won't get laid for this discovery.


Won't they?

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/hot
2012-12-17 12:22:28 PM
2 votes:
The theory is that the Higgs particle gives things mass. If (big if) we can learn to manipulate the Higgs then we might be able to manipulate the mass of objects.
e.g. Need to move something? Get Higgs cancelers and move whatever you want easily. Need that oil tanker out of the gulf before it spills everything? Use your Higgs cancelers and away it goes, off to dry dock for repair and crude oil transfer.
2012-12-17 12:22:23 PM
2 votes:
Also.

What Bosun Higgs may look like.

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2012-12-17 12:08:28 PM
2 votes:
If the HB gets to be called the "god particle," does a second one mean we're only one short of a trinity? Or if there are just the two, is that Quantum Gnosticism? Or are we heading toward a full polytheistic pantheon?
2012-12-17 12:08:20 PM
2 votes:
Time for "U Rage U Lose", Higgs Boson Edition.

www.divinedominoes.com 

25.media.tumblr.com
2012-12-17 05:35:05 PM
1 votes:

Solon Isonomia: Dr. Whoof: Ed Grubermann: Dr. Whoof: Time for "U Rage U Lose", Higgs Boson Edition.

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Are those people retards?

I believe the accepted term is "Palin-Americans", but...

That's not really the worst.
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And this stellar example....
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Again:
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Eh. Gotta figure some are fake, especially that second one. Or at least the person is joking.
2012-12-17 05:05:44 PM
1 votes:

Dr. Whoof: Ed Grubermann: Dr. Whoof: Time for "U Rage U Lose", Higgs Boson Edition.

[www.divinedominoes.com image 526x667] 

[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x282]

Are those people retards?

I believe the accepted term is "Palin-Americans", but...

That's not really the worst.
[api.ning.com image 483x555]


And this stellar example....
[img8.joyreactor.com image 568x247]


Again:
25.media.tumblr.com
2012-12-17 04:30:08 PM
1 votes:
Cool, subby? COOL? Do you realize what will happen if they screw up there and cause a resonance cascade?

Yeah, it sounds "cool" now but you won't be saying that when you have head crabs.

/goes to make sure there's enough crowbars on hand
2012-12-17 04:28:31 PM
1 votes:
No Contact reference yet? I am disappoint.

"First rule in government spending: why build one when you can have two at twice the price? Only, this one can be kept secret."

i.qkme.me
2012-12-17 04:24:10 PM
1 votes:

Ed Grubermann: Dr. Whoof: Time for "U Rage U Lose", Higgs Boson Edition.

[www.divinedominoes.com image 526x667] 

[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x282]

Are those people retards?


I believe the accepted term is "Palin-Americans", but...

That's not really the worst.
api.ning.com


And this stellar example....
img8.joyreactor.com
2012-12-17 01:16:24 PM
1 votes:
Geek humor:

A Higgs bosun walks into a church. The priest says, "We don't allow your kind in here." The Higgs bosun says, "What do you mean? You can't have mass without me."

* * * * *

Heisenberg gets pulled over for speeding. The cop says, "Do you know how fast you were going?" Heisenberg replies, "No. But I can tell you where I am."

* * * * *

Einstein, Newton, and Pascal decide to play hide and seek. Einstein closes his eyes and counts. Pascal runs to hide, but Newton simply pulls a piece of chalk from his pocket and draws a square around himself. Einstein opens his eyes, sees Newton, and grabs him. "I caught you," Einstein says. "No," replies Newton. "You found one Newton per square meter. You found Pascal."

* * * * *

And my favorite:

What do neutrinos and I have in common?

We are both constantly penetrating your mom.
2012-12-17 12:49:05 PM
1 votes:

maachubo: Dr. Whoof: Frogfoot: The theory is that the Higgs particle gives things mass. If (big if) we can learn to manipulate the Higgs then we might be able to manipulate the mass of objects.
e.g. Need to move something? Get Higgs cancelers and move whatever you want easily. Need that oil tanker out of the gulf before it spills everything? Use your Higgs cancelers and away it goes, off to dry dock for repair and crude oil transfer.

You're thinking small. If you can "cancel" mass, luminal speeds should be possible, aka "lightspeed".

And the scientists still won't get laid for this discovery.

Won't they?


Meh, Liara is a xeno-anthropologist, not a quantum physicist. And Shepard isn't a scientist at all (unless you could make the argument he's a "military scientist"). Does Chief Engineer Adams ever get laid? No. Not until Bioware releases the "Have Sex With the Whole Crew" DLC.
2012-12-17 12:47:14 PM
1 votes:

ltdanman44: [regmedia.co.uk image 600x430]

I have no idea what I am seeing here. Can someone translate please

/here comes the snark


think of the graph as a dart board.

we are trying to figure out where the person throwing the darts was aiming. The target is no longer available, but we can see where the darts landed.

if we assume just one location for a target -- we come up with the black cross.

but if we examine the location of all darts -- it looks like there were actually two locations (blue and red crosses).

that seems to be the best fit -- although as wjllope said with his 2.5 sigma comment: there haven't been enough darts holes seen to really commit to the theory of two target locations.

so crosses are assumed center of a target (or targets) (best fit)
the solid lines are the limit of the most likely places targets could have been
the dotted lines are the limit of less likely, but possible places the targets could have been.

----------------------------------------------

as an aside: instead of dart locations thrown at a board, what we are talking about is the mass of a particle -- we assume a particle has ONE exact mass -- any time we see something with that mass and some other features we say "aha -- that's this one particle" -- but it seems this higgs boson has two masses

although it seems the features are slightly different so I don't understand why we aren't calling this two different particles instead of one.
2012-12-17 12:43:58 PM
1 votes:

wjllope: Kibbler: I just had a thought occur to me. Creating Higgs Boson particles is probably kind of like sending a warp-infinity telegram out to the geek who built the universe as a science project. He's been off doing other stuff but once we create these critters, he hears a "You've Got Mail!" ding, says, "Hmm" to himself, opens it up, and his eyes light up. "Joy!" Then he hits Forward:

"Dear Vogons,

Please proceed immediately to Earth."

heh. But the Higgs (or whatever this resonance seen at the LHC is) must be created all the time in the universe. There are protons flying through space with energies a whole lot higher than that of the LHC beams.... These Higgs things then live for a very short time and decay into two gammas, or two Z's, or whatever, which then fly off into space and no one is the wiser... This is just the first time we've managed to create some inside a detector capable of measuring these decay products, which allowed us to infer there was a boson that produced those decay particles.... cheers


"Attention Earth, this is Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz. Before proceeding to other matters, I direct you to submit one wjllope for immediate rehabilitation. Section 3, Article 4 of the Vogon Criminal Code clearly prohibits interfering with the plot lines of potential future scifi novels. The Vogon Secret Service will not protect you. We do this shiat all the time."
2012-12-17 12:31:48 PM
1 votes:
the idea behind the higgs boson is quite wrong, but a very good effort considering our limited understanding of the universe. this moment will be looked back upon the first piece of evidence in a long string that proves that we exist in a multi-verse and that it is indeed possible to travel from dimension to dimension. have fun finding out the rest, it will change everything we think we know about physics.
2012-12-17 12:31:43 PM
1 votes:

Citrate1007: ltdanman44: [regmedia.co.uk image 600x430]


I have no idea what I am seeing here. Can someone translate please


/here comes the snark

Unlike many internet armchair physicists.....I don't even pretend to be able fathom why the fark the particle is so important, let alone what it is. I just like it because ignorant Christian "scientists" get their panties in a bunch over it.


Without the Higgs boson, matter would not have mass and there would be no gravity in the universe. It is an important discovery, since it pulls together much of what we understands about the physicality of the universe and proves what has been theoretical.
2012-12-17 12:19:03 PM
1 votes:

ltdanman44: I have no idea what I am seeing here. Can someone translate please?


I'm not a particle physicist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night...

The Higgs Boson was predicted by the standard model to exist between 125 and 127 Giga Electron Volts (GeV). Unexpectedly, there appear to be two particles that fit the range, and that's what you're seeing in the graph. One (blue in the graph) centers around 123.5 GeV, and the other (red) at 126.5 GeV.

What they don't explain very well is that this is fairly preliminary data, and we'll most likely discover an anomaly that explains why we're seeing multiple particles that are so close in mass; the math allows for multiple Higgs particles, but the closeness in mass is unexpected and not as easy to explain.

Then again, we may find that these results are reproducible and consistent, and that there's something wrong with the standard model of particle physics. If this turns out to be the case, it has the potential for removing some of the restrictions of our current understanding of physics (faster than light travel, anyone?) and a massive rewrite of theoretical physics.
2012-12-17 12:15:32 PM
1 votes:

JackieRabbit: We need Higgs boson deniers NOW!


We already have plenty built in.
You see, the way real science works, every scientist is a denier until you produce repeatable, demonstrable, RESULTS.
Something that holds up to scientific scrutiny and skepticism.
Predictions? Not at all part of real science no matter what lipstick you put on it.
2012-12-17 11:56:16 AM
1 votes:
Oh great, now we'll be finding them EVERYWHERE.
2012-12-17 11:55:09 AM
1 votes:
regmedia.co.uk


I have no idea what I am seeing here. Can someone translate please


/here comes the snark
 
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