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(Right Wing Watch)   David Barton tells his followers the U.S. Constitution is filled with direct Bible quotes. Subby will buy a six-pack of beer to first on the right to give an exact quote found in both with four words including a noun and a verb. Subby's money is safe   (rightwingwatch.org) divider line 197
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2012-12-17 09:36:56 AM
Four contiguous words?
 
2012-12-17 09:37:05 AM
In 2012, Barton's New York Times best-seller[52] The Jefferson Lies was voted "the least credible history book in print" by the users of the History News Network website.[10] A group of ten conservative Christian professors reviewed the work and formed a negative view of its claims,[53] reporting that Barton has misstated facts about Jefferson.[54] In August 2012, Christian publisher Thomas Nelson withdrew the book from publication and stopped production, announcing that they had "lost confidence in the book's details" and "learned that there were some historical details included in the book that were not adequately supported."[55][56]

And....

In an article titled "Unconfirmed Quotations", Barton conceded that he has not located primary sources for eleven alleged quotes from James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and U.S. Supreme Court decisions (hence, the title of the article), but maintained that the quotes were "completely consistent" with the views of the Founders.

Source

Yeah, that just screams rigorous and credible.
 
2012-12-17 09:41:56 AM
The U.S. Constitution is actually a little known book from the Old Testament. The original papyrus, left by an extremely disoriented tribe of Jews around 300 B.C.E., was recovered from a cave near Plymouth rock by the original Viking explorers. Due to a mix-up at the council of Nicea, it's not included in most versions of the bible printed today. It was later used as the founding document for a nation which wanted there to be no confusion about how much of a Christian nation it is.
 
2012-12-17 09:47:17 AM

incendi: The U.S. Constitution is actually a little known book from the Old Testament. The original papyrus, left by an extremely disoriented tribe of Jews around 300 B.C.E., was recovered from a cave near Plymouth rock by the original Viking explorers. Due to a mix-up at the council of Nicea, it's not included in most versions of the bible printed today. It was later used as the founding document for a nation which wanted there to be no confusion about how much of a Christian nation it is.


I've heard that, but I was told it was stone tablets, not papyrus.
 
2012-12-17 09:50:07 AM

incendi: The U.S. Constitution is actually a little known book from the Old Testament. The original papyrus, left by an extremely disoriented tribe of Jews around 300 B.C.E., was recovered from a cave near Plymouth rock by the original Viking explorers. Due to a mix-up at the council of Nicea, it's not included in most versions of the bible printed today. It was later used as the founding document for a nation which wanted there to be no confusion about how much of a Christian nation it is.


Farking Justinian...
 
2012-12-17 09:56:45 AM

Krymson Tyde: incendi: The U.S. Constitution is actually a little known book from the Old Testament. The original papyrus, left by an extremely disoriented tribe of Jews around 300 B.C.E., was recovered from a cave near Plymouth rock by the original Viking explorers. Due to a mix-up at the council of Nicea, it's not included in most versions of the bible printed today. It was later used as the founding document for a nation which wanted there to be no confusion about how much of a Christian nation it is.

I've heard that, but I was told it was stone tablets, not papyrus.


I thought it was golden plates?
 
2012-12-17 10:01:35 AM
I.... I think he doesn't know what a direct quotation is. Or what the word "verbatim" means.

Has anyone ever given him a dictionary? I feel like it's our duty to give him one for Christmas.
 
2012-12-17 10:02:26 AM

Rincewind53: Has anyone ever given him a dictionary? I feel like it's our duty to give him one for Christmas


Why? Much like his bible, he won't read that either.
 
2012-12-17 10:03:45 AM
Court ordered mandatory psychological exam, then involuntary institutionalisation.

We are allowing too many whack jobs to roam freely.
 
2012-12-17 10:09:53 AM
Jesus wrote the Constitution.
 
2012-12-17 10:15:41 AM
I had to look up the name. I'd heard it before but didn't know who he actually was. This man...this man is a minister. Someone people look to for insight into their beliefs. Someone who is supposed to be so well-versed in the Bible that it's very likely you could throw him a book name, chapter and verse and he could quote it. Someone who has a degree, however dubious it may be considering it was issued by Oral Roberts University, in Christian education. He's supposed to be helping you cope with loss, to give you words of encouragement when you need them, to find a way to make you understand and use the brain that he believes was given to you by his god to be able to comprehend the world around you, to be someone that you can look up to and aspire to be like.

Instead, he's nothing but a charlatan. A greedy, self absorbed bullshiat artist who claims to be serving his god but is, at best, just an ass kisser trying to get himself a seat at the table in heaven closer to the boss and at worst, just lying to everyone so he can seem that way.
 
2012-12-17 10:17:46 AM
So, let's see the quotes. Jot them down for us. I mean beyond the stuff that Madison made sure was in there, and Gouverneur Morris goodies that stirred the soul. Or Pickney's ghost writing that Madison adopted and cribbed from his Pickney Plan.

Just show your work beyond: I said so. Put the quotes up, side by side.
 
2012-12-17 10:31:33 AM

PreMortem: Court ordered mandatory psychological exam, then involuntary institutionalisation.

We are allowing too many whack jobs to roam freely.


Then a nutkick.
 
2012-12-17 10:43:21 AM
Well, sure, the English part of the Constitution doesn't contain direct Bible quotes, but have you looked in the Hebrew, Greek, or Latin sections?
 
2012-12-17 10:43:28 AM

PreMortem: Court ordered mandatory psychological exam, then involuntary institutionalisation.

We are allowing too many whack jobs to roam freely.


So for everyone? I've seen you post it in other threads today. If you can think of a way to fund the psychological exam of 300+ million people, then have at it. Also, don't violate anyone's rights while attempting to do that.

/I would consider a person who spouts off the exact same thing in multiple threads to be treading on "whack job" status
 
2012-12-17 10:43:45 AM
David BartonArea Man tells his followers the U.S. Constitution is filled with direct Bible quotes
 
2012-12-17 10:49:39 AM

gilgigamesh: David BartonArea Man tells his followers the U.S. Constitution is filled with direct Bible quotes


After being bitten by a radioactive newspaper, Area Man can appear in local news stories at will.

Area Man Saves Cat!
Area Man Upset By Taxes!
Area Man Wins Bowling Tournament!


What an awesome superpower!
 
2012-12-17 10:50:27 AM
www.davidbarton.net

But he wears a red, white and blue shirt. He must be right!
 
2012-12-17 10:51:07 AM

Diogenes: [www.davidbarton.net image 200x237]

But he wears a red, white and blue shirt. He must be right!


He looks like a Pastor Ken doll
 
2012-12-17 10:51:46 AM

scottydoesntknow: Diogenes: [www.davidbarton.net image 200x237]

But he wears a red, white and blue shirt. He must be right!

He looks like a Pastor Ken doll


coffee...everywhere....
 
2012-12-17 10:52:36 AM

scottydoesntknow: Diogenes: [www.davidbarton.net image 200x237]

But he wears a red, white and blue shirt. He must be right!

He looks like a Pastor Ken doll


Does that go with the Catholic Schoolgirl Barbie?
 
2012-12-17 11:00:12 AM
people like this should be given the help the desperately need in order to get better. letting them run around like this so that we can laugh at them is cruel.
 
2012-12-17 11:01:20 AM

Weaver95: people like this should be given the help the desperately need in order to get better. letting them run around like this so that we can laugh at them is cruel.


Why? He's not mentally ill. He's a con artist.
 
2012-12-17 11:01:42 AM
John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that he gave us the right to peaceably assemble."
 
2012-12-17 11:02:01 AM

Diogenes: Weaver95: people like this should be given the help the desperately need in order to get better. letting them run around like this so that we can laugh at them is cruel.

Why? He's not mentally ill. He's a con artist.


then he's not a very good one.
 
2012-12-17 11:03:23 AM
i wonder what he thinks about the fact that the abrahamic god isn't even mentioned in either of our founding documents?
 
2012-12-17 11:03:55 AM
does he own a copy of either of the documents he is talking about?!
 
2012-12-17 11:05:07 AM

I_C_Weener: John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that he gave us the right to peaceably assemble."


John 14:6, "No one comes to the Father except through their duly elected representative."
 
2012-12-17 11:06:18 AM
I like David Barton. He's what you get when you turn the phrase "We're a Christian nation!" into scholarship. He takes all that bullshiat and fully reveals it for what it is. Many right-wing Christians can't stand him anymore for that reason.
 
2012-12-17 11:13:57 AM

Diogenes: I_C_Weener: John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that he gave us the right to peaceably assemble."

John 14:6, "No one comes to the Father except through their duly elected representative."


Genesis 1:1-2

In the beginning, God created the Senate and the House

And the Legislature was without form, and void; and people cast ballots every two years. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the voters.
 
2012-12-17 11:25:54 AM
i.imgur.com i.imgur.com

David Barton is not a historian or scholar. Even the most evangelical Christian professional historians have widely publicized that Barton is entirely full of shiat. And a note here---evangelical Christian historians are your best friends here. Don't reject them out of hand for being religious--they are indeed devoutly religious people who also understand how historical investigation and historical evidence actually works. If anyone is going to help take down Barton, its people like Mark Noll and Warren Throckmorton and Michael Coulter.
 
2012-12-17 11:28:28 AM

Weaver95: people like this should be given the help the desperately need in order to get better. letting them run around like this so that we can laugh at them is cruel.

==

Except....

"One might accuse Barton of simply not understanding the issues under discussion but the number of times he is caught in an outright lie (for example, with regards the famous Jefferson Bible) make it difficult to accept that Barton is not willfully engaging in a corruption of history for his own ends."
 
2012-12-17 11:37:20 AM
www.loc.gov

Its very apparent that Jefferson's views on religion and government are quite complex and his expressions of them both can only really be understood in the political context of his time. He was certainly attacked as an 'infidel' willing to sacrifice the Constitution to the perceived 'excesses' of the French Revolution. You can see the American Eagle here defending the Constitution under the Eye of Providence. It's truly an example of the finest in Historical Derp as preserved in the Library of Congress.
 
2012-12-17 11:52:15 AM
If you hold the original copy of the Constitution up to the sun exactly 3 minutes past sunrise on a partly cloudy day with 37.125% humidity while a bluejay is singing while standing on one foot on top of the gravestone of a woman who died in 1845 when she was no more than 22.5 years but no younger than 20.456 years who is buried in a Protestant cemetery; while humming "Bringing in the Sheaves" and patting your stomach and rubbing your head while 2 Real American (tm) pastors wearing black pants and red white and blue shirts dance around you waving sparklers, one singing "I Saw the Light" and the other "Oh Tannenbaum" in the original German--well, then you can see that the Constitution is chock-full of Bible verses. Try it--you'll see
 
2012-12-17 12:17:33 PM
four words including a noun and a verb.

"One Nation Under God"

I don't drink and pray for your soul.
 
2012-12-17 12:28:46 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: four words including a noun and a verb.

"One Nation Under God"

I don't drink and pray for your soul.


Yup, the "under God" addition to the pledge in the 24th amendment. You win one internets!
 
2012-12-17 12:32:48 PM

doyner: You win one internets!


That's the first amendment. Freedom to be Christian and burn books.
 
2012-12-17 12:37:01 PM
According to old high school classmates on Facebook Jesus wrote the Constitution and appeared in Philadelphia on July 4, 1776 to personally hand the document to George Washington and everyone celebrated by saying the Pledge of Allegiance as loud as they could -- Abraham Lincoln really hit the "UNDER GOD" line hard.
 
2012-12-17 12:37:25 PM

Weaver95: Diogenes: Weaver95: people like this should be given the help the desperately need in order to get better. letting them run around like this so that we can laugh at them is cruel.

Why? He's not mentally ill. He's a con artist.

then he's not a very good one.


Oh, I dunno. He got a book filled with outright lies published, and then onto the New York Times bestseller list. That implies some skill.
 
2012-12-17 12:37:28 PM
I know this isn't the Entertainment tab, but allow me to ask the following:

Who?
 
2012-12-17 12:38:50 PM
"Thank you republican Jesus"

Pay up subby.
 
2012-12-17 12:39:46 PM

Rincewind53: Or what the word "verbatim" means.


holy shiat talk about memories

static.flickr.com
 
2012-12-17 12:39:48 PM
"in the year of our lord" is in the US Constitution.

Game. Blouses.
 
2012-12-17 12:41:06 PM
His intended audience are the GOP core........they will never realize he is lying.
 
2012-12-17 12:42:00 PM
Huh, I went to the link about the conference and found out Charles Grodin is a derper.
 
2012-12-17 12:42:58 PM
Article. VII.

The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.

The Word, "the," being interlined between the seventh and eighth Lines of the first Page, the Word "Thirty" being partly written on an Erazure in the fifteenth Line of the first Page, The Words "is tried" being interlined between the thirty second and thirty third Lines of the first Page and the Word "the" being interlined between the forty third and forty fourth Lines of the second Page.

Attest William Jackson Secretary

done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,


I'm going to go out on a limb and say "year of our lord" is also in the Bible somewhere.

From here
 
2012-12-17 12:44:24 PM
well, subby, you never did read the fine print, did you?

It's on the back and it's all 'Leviticus this' and 'Revelations that', and it expressly states that assault rifles were intended in the 2nd Amendment and Kirk Cameron is better than ever!
 
2012-12-17 12:46:02 PM

bulldg4life: I'm going to go out on a limb and say "year of our lord" is also in the Bible somewhere.


Year of our lord returns no hits in the King James or NIV...
 
2012-12-17 12:48:41 PM
Oh come on...9 million references to "year of the lord" and not one time they used "our"

Stupid christians screwed me out of free beer
 
2012-12-17 12:49:09 PM
Subby needs to declare what Bible translations are kosher. I'm sure there's some loosely-translated "children's bible" out there that apes some constitutional language, just because it sounds familiar.
 
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