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(Digital Journal)   Mother of Connecticut school gunman was a paranoid survivalist whom was stockpiling guns and food in preparation of the upcoming global collapse   (digitaljournal.com) divider line 104
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2012-12-17 10:28:24 AM
17 votes:
I also heard that he was wearing a lot of pouches, which means we need to ban Rob Liefeld.
2012-12-17 10:03:29 AM
16 votes:
First rule of surviving total societal breakdown: surviving until society breaks down.
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-17 09:30:58 AM
15 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: Police say that when his body was found, he carried a third semi-automatic pistol in his military-style cargo pants

Clearly, we need to ban military style cargo pants.


If the victims had had military style cargo pants this wouldn't have happened.
2012-12-17 10:54:28 AM
10 votes:

I_C_Weener: Marcus Aurelius: Police say that when his body was found, he carried a third semi-automatic pistol in his military-style cargo pants

Clearly, we need to ban military style cargo pants.


Old Navy Surplus!



Old Navy Surplus!!!  Nothing?  Not one goddamn "funny" click?
2012-12-17 09:59:15 AM
10 votes:
Well... The important thing is that her 2nd Amendment rights weren't infringed upon. That would have been the real tragedy here, and we should be thankful that she died free.
2012-12-17 09:54:41 AM
10 votes:
If only she had more guns, she might've been safer.
2012-12-17 09:57:18 AM
9 votes:
Well, at least she got to exemplify having her guns taken from her cold dead hands.

Vive la Heston!
2012-12-17 09:12:21 AM
9 votes:
Police say that when his body was found, he carried a third semi-automatic pistol in his military-style cargo pants

Clearly, we need to ban military style cargo pants.
2012-12-17 11:56:24 AM
8 votes:

I_C_Weener: I_C_Weener: Marcus Aurelius: Police say that when his body was found, he carried a third semi-automatic pistol in his military-style cargo pants

Clearly, we need to ban military style cargo pants.


Old Navy Surplus!


Old Navy Surplus!!!  Nothing?  Not one goddamn "funny" click?



You didn't mention the performance fleece
2012-12-17 09:55:37 AM
7 votes:

Sleeping Monkey: She gets the fail award of the year for believing that having assault weapons in her home would make her safe. Now that entire community is paying for her ignorance.


If she had them properly secured in a gun safe, she wouldn't have been able to get them out in time to repel the coming North Korean invasion.
2012-12-17 12:41:49 PM
6 votes:
Stocking up on some extra water, easy-to-prepare food and propane canisters in anticipation of losing power for a few days when a severe storm strikes: not crazy.
Six tons of "Apocalypse Chow" and an armory a Somali warlord would beat off to so you can become Lord Humongous when the Mummy Uprising strikes (the zombies are just a ploy): crazy.
2012-12-17 10:24:17 AM
6 votes:
Rich white people have lost their gotdamn minds!
2012-12-17 08:52:06 AM
6 votes:
So a Teabagger then
2012-12-17 01:43:41 PM
4 votes:

NightOwl2255: As she laid there in bed with her son pointing a rifle at her, I wonder what the last thing that went through her mind was.


a couple of rounds of .223?
2012-12-17 01:01:10 PM
4 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.


Without guns, the king of England could walk right in here and start pushing you around. D'you want that? Huh? Do ya?
2012-12-17 11:17:02 AM
3 votes:

jaylectricity: FlashHarry: SlothB77: First rule of surviving total societal breakdown: surviving until society breaks down.

wow... i actually agreed with that.

Wow, totally surprising. First rule of not starving is eating! You can get with that, right?


I'm sorry, you are breaking the first rule of Eat Club.
2012-12-17 10:33:43 AM
3 votes:

SlothB77: Nancy Lanza was reportedly "struggling to hold herself together and had been stockpiling food, water and guns in the large home she shared with her 20-year-old son in Connecticut.

"Mrs Lanza, 52, was a 'prepper' - so called because they are preparing for a breakdown in civilized society - who apparently became obsessed with guns and taught Adam and his older brother, Ryan, how to shoot, even taking them to local ranges."

The apple did not fall far from the tree, it does appear.


Not if it knows what's good for it.

Oh, sure, I'll give it a head start. If it tries to escape by rolling downhill, though, it's BLAMMO! Applesauce everywhere!
2012-12-17 09:18:14 AM
3 votes:
Glenn Beck seen smiling and nodding slowly.
2012-12-17 03:20:11 PM
2 votes:
i46.tinypic.com
2012-12-17 02:54:30 PM
2 votes:

Kittypie070: Phineas: Wolf_blitzer

Just callin 'em as I sees 'em. This thread (and the article) contain mostly liberals who confuse the tools used to perpetrate the crime with the mental condition of the people who perpetrate them. This kid could've just as easily driven a truck through the side of the building and crushed a classroom. In fact, that would've been easier. But yeah, its easier to blame guns.

I figured you liberals would enjoy knowing how I see you, as hand-wringing hens that flock together and come to irrational conclusions based on the facts at hand. And if there's something you can't quite grasp, you check with other liberals to find out what it is you should be thinking.

What??

Um, you really are not helping others' perception of your politics with this set of predictable stereotypes.

Who is telling you that all liberals think in lockstep like this?


It's like... you know... part of the Liberal Agenda!!!!

KellyX's Liberal Agenda for 12/17/2012:

1. Get up

2. Piss

3. Brush teeth (remember to wash hands first!!)

4. Put clothes on

5. Go to work (ughhh again?)

6. Work

7. Come home...

8. Play WoW

9. Go to bed (don't forget to feed the cat or she'll sleep on your face!!!)
2012-12-17 01:50:22 PM
2 votes:
Fark this I'm out.
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2012-12-17 01:49:41 PM
2 votes:

Carn: Launch Code: [i1253.photobucket.com image 201x251]
It takes a human to commit the act. Do you blame the alcohol or the car for a drunk driving death? Of course the super libtard will reflect on soldiers using guns in battle. Are you then calling the people that defend us murderers?
Wake up leftys, evil people do evil things! Don't blame the tool for the destruction.

How many people does the average rolling pin murderer take out? What a ridiculously stupid argument.


Rolling pin murderers don't kill for sport, they just knead the dough.
2012-12-17 01:43:14 PM
2 votes:

NightOwl2255: As she laid there in bed with her son pointing a rifle at her, I wonder what the last thing that went through her mind was.


Bullets ??
2012-12-17 01:35:26 PM
2 votes:
Guns make a mans pecker hard and ready.
You Libs just cannot understand that.
2012-12-17 01:17:19 PM
2 votes:
"Mrs Lanza, 52, was a 'prepper' - so called because they are preparing for a breakdown in civilized society - who apparently became obsessed with guns and taught Adam and his older brother, Ryan, how to shoot, even taking them to local ranges."

Oh my what a horrible, horrible person. She even took them to shooting ranges? Why not puppy farms with bounce houses?
2012-12-17 01:16:09 PM
2 votes:

bluefoxicy: HotWingConspiracy: We should start treating them like pit bulls, really. Maybe you've got a nice one, but keep it the fark away from me and my family.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 432x223]

What a pit bull might look like.


Oh look you found a mean dog that isn't a pit bull.
2012-12-17 01:05:32 PM
2 votes:

WizardofToast: I think 'end of the world' scenarios have really warped the brains of some people in society. And all this doomsday crap is driving people to do crazy things. I wouldn't be surprised if some people snap on December 21 thinking the world is ending when really it farking isn't. Everyone seems to think the world ends on Friday but has no farking clue how it will.


On December 18th, a giant, angry face will appear on the moon.
2012-12-17 01:02:37 PM
2 votes:
WHOM???? Seriously?
2012-12-17 12:57:28 PM
2 votes:

TIKIMAN87: El_Frijole_Blanco: So a Teabagger then

lol self reliance is something a liberal will never learn.


Good thing that rugged survivalist was ready when a man with a gun showed up.
2012-12-17 12:56:27 PM
2 votes:
There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.
2012-12-17 10:32:31 AM
2 votes:

PreMortem: Court ordered mandatory psychological exams, then involuntary institutionalisation.

We are allowing too many whack jobs to roam freely.



Think of the number of Farkers who would suddenly be free to post 24/7 from a padded cell on government paid for laptops...
2012-12-17 10:27:25 AM
2 votes:

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.

hey, I like those stories!

on a more serious note - not all preppers are crazy, but a lot of crazy people are preppers. given the situation after hurricane katrina or again after hurricane sandy...preparing for a long term disruption of power and food distribution systems is starting to look like plain common sense and not an indication of crazy loonie toons insanity.


Sure but do you need Kevlar and an arsenal to withstand a bad Nor'easter
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-17 10:10:53 AM
2 votes:

homelessdude: Survivalist? Oh please........

Yeah, cause you know, when society breaks down, the first things the Godless Sodomite Philistines will come for are the homes valued around $600k and up 

Connecticut shooter Adam Lanza and family members revealed
(examiner.com)


What sort of survivalist thinks a house in a suburb is the place to survive the collapse of civilization? What do they think? That they are going to fight their way to Safeway to get food?
2012-12-17 10:07:31 AM
2 votes:
Court ordered mandatory psychological exams, then involuntary institutionalisation.

We are allowing too many whack jobs to roam freely.
2012-12-18 12:46:57 AM
1 votes:
i46.tinypic.com

Unfortunately all you dumbasses (on both sides) didn't understand this phraseology.

In the 18th century regulated meant 'to make regular'. Only after the commerce 'clause' was exploited to mean everything under the sun did its meaning change. It certainly did not, under this context nor under any other in the Constitution where regulation is mentioned, mean to have dictatorial control over or to change the meaning of words (which the feds have done so under weighs and measures like the weight of a dollar).

The 2nd amendment plainly read states two things, separated by a comma; that a well regulated militia was essential to the security of a free State, and that the right to bear arms should not be infringed so that the security of a free State shall not be compromised.

The term "well regulated" means that they are more or less compatible like, for example, Saudi Arabia is with US forces (You can land an F-16 on a Saudi air strip and refuel because it's all compatible equipment).
2012-12-17 05:15:15 PM
1 votes:
I can't wait until they outlaw all guns and there won't be any more guns. Remember when the U.S had a drug problem, and then we declared War on Drugs, and now we can't buy drugs anymore? It will be just like that.
2012-12-17 03:58:24 PM
1 votes:
Five guns is an arsenal?

/f*cking retards
2012-12-17 03:46:35 PM
1 votes:

NightOwl2255: As she laid there in bed with her son pointing a rifle at her, I wonder what the last thing that went through her mind was.


A bullet?
2012-12-17 03:43:15 PM
1 votes:

farkingnotworking: How about a publicly accessible database of gun ownership as part of gun reform? Everyone should get to know who owns what. And if you are proud of your guns, you shouldn't have a problem with this. It's like keeping your muscle car in the driveway.


img37.imageshack.us
2012-12-17 03:42:20 PM
1 votes:

Phineas: This kid could've just as easily driven a truck through the side of the building and crushed a classroom. In fact, that would've been easier.


He also could have put polonium into the cafeteria food. In fact, that would have been easier.

But he didn't do those things. So... uh... thanks for describing things that didn't happen, I guess?
2012-12-17 03:25:57 PM
1 votes:

KellyX:
KellyX's Liberal Agenda for 12/17/2012:

1. Get up

2. Piss

3. Brush teeth (remember to wash hands first!!)

4. Put clothes on

5. Go to work (ughhh again?)

6. Work

7. Come home...

8. Play WoW

9. Go to bed (don't forget to feed the cat or she'll sleep on your face!!!)



Well crap.

All this time I thought I was a Conservative, and it turns out I have the same agenda as a Liberal.
2012-12-17 03:23:39 PM
1 votes:

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: probesport: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: I love how all the gun nuts keep using the term plink. Is that the sound of a .223 round tearing a hole in the skull of a 6-year-old child?

Is the sound "hurr durr" the one made when you tried to come up with a rational thought?

No that is the sound a 4 cylinder Mazda makes when a loser puts a huge muffler on it so that he can pretend it is a racecar.


That's more of a farting or braaaaap sound. Not too good with associations are you?
2012-12-17 03:12:13 PM
1 votes:
Turns out she misidentified the threat.
2012-12-17 03:11:59 PM
1 votes:

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: I love how all the gun nuts keep using the term plink. Is that the sound of a .223 round tearing a hole in the skull of a 6-year-old child?


Is the sound "hurr durr" the one made when you tried to come up with a rational thought?
2012-12-17 03:11:02 PM
1 votes:
Thanks to those of you who contributed to the discussion of what constitutes a "well regulated militia." I got some good links and good info.
Except for Spare Me, who called me a dork.
2012-12-17 03:09:21 PM
1 votes:

GCD: Hell, if I had a weapon, I could even actually do something productive and beneficial, like HUNT for my food.


uploads.neatorama.com
2012-12-17 03:08:21 PM
1 votes:

clane: We should pressure congress to outlaw killing people!!


Do you read at a 5th grade level too, or is it strictly just a logical reasoning handicap?
2012-12-17 02:19:24 PM
1 votes:
"He had a fourth weapon in the trunk of the black Honda he drove to the school. The car belonged to his mother."

BAN ALL HONDAS NOW.
2012-12-17 02:14:06 PM
1 votes:

Nietzsche Keen: So it's lack of mental health care, teaparty derp and Obama's fault? Thank Jebus it's not the guns!


Maybe we'll get single payer health care after all.
2012-12-17 02:10:36 PM
1 votes:

Wolf_Blitzer: By inflicting death, or the threat of death, yes? Its a simple question


There is no power to protect. There is the power to create and destroy. Destruction is a hell of a lot easier.

If you put up an impenetrable shield, people will pick at it until they find a way to subvert it. If that shield sends back a fatal pulse of energy when agitated, people will be less apt to pick at it, and much less likely to actually ever defeat it.

What can a man do when threatened by violence except employ the threat or execution of greater, more effective violence? You grab your wife and child and run into your safe room. The criminal, knowing police will never come (or if they do, they'll come asking politely for surrender and never employ the use of force), takes a high-temperature welding torch to your 18 inch steel door. 36 hours later he's cut through most of it, and a huge chunk falls away. He now strides in, rapes your 15 year old and your wife in front of you, and then uses the torch to melt your head off.

The purpose of all protections is to repel invaders with force or delay invaders until the force arrives.
2012-12-17 02:08:59 PM
1 votes:
Jamie Foxx, one of the industry's biggest stars, said Saturday as he promoted Quentin Tarantino's upcoming ultra-violent ,spaghetti Western-style film about slavery, "Django Unchained," that actors can't ignore the fact that movie violence can influence people.

Pops like a gun!

I LOVE it when Hollywood comes out against guns, while promoting a Tarantino flick!
2012-12-17 02:02:29 PM
1 votes:

Three-Fifty: Oh gawd. This is killing me and I haven't been able to check the whole thread to see if this has been brought up yet, but for the love of God:

LEARN TO USE THE WORD WHOM PROPERLY! Go back to 4th grade and review, submitter!!!! Whom is only used for the OBJECT of an action.

GRRRRR I don't know why this bugs me so much, but it does.

It doesn't bug me enough to make me want to become a paranoid survivalist though, so there's that.


4.bp.blogspot.com
GCD
2012-12-17 02:02:22 PM
1 votes:

NightOwl2255: GCD: I agree with you - natural disasters DO happen and will probably get worse before they get better...but why would I need an AR-15 rifle? Will shooting at the natural disaster somehow stop it?

No, but it will stop the people that will come for your stockpile.


Keeping your mouth shut about your stash of supplies will also help keep people from coming from your stockpile.
2012-12-17 01:58:29 PM
1 votes:
Oh gawd. This is killing me and I haven't been able to check the whole thread to see if this has been brought up yet, but for the love of God:

LEARN TO USE THE WORD WHOM PROPERLY! Go back to 4th grade and review, submitter!!!! Whom is only used for the OBJECT of an action.

GRRRRR I don't know why this bugs me so much, but it does.

It doesn't bug me enough to make me want to become a paranoid survivalist though, so there's that.
2012-12-17 01:53:26 PM
1 votes:

TheOther: On 'How It's Made', I saw about the fiendishness of razor wire and how impenetrable it was...unless you have a couple of sheets of heavy plywood to bridge it.


farm5.staticflickr.com
2012-12-17 01:51:59 PM
1 votes:

SnarfVader: El_Frijole_Blanco: So a Teabagger Mormon then

FTFY


Hush. Not even close.

We (are supposed to) keep a years supply of food for hard times - with the intention of being able to share it with our neighbors. or others in need.

Yeah, there are redneck gun-loving mormons, but they are in the same places as the redneck gun-loving non-mormons, and it is the location/culture/family tradition element that causes that, not any mormoness.

Me, personally, I hate guns, and would never allow one in my house. My wife, from New Zealand, where guns aren't allowed by civilians and they like it that way, feels the same.

/I also keep my years supply of food storage around my waist, thank you very much.
2012-12-17 01:47:26 PM
1 votes:
I think the kid went after first graders because he knew if he went after second graders they would have beat his ass.
2012-12-17 01:45:48 PM
1 votes:

Carn: Launch Code: [i1253.photobucket.com image 201x251]
It takes a human to commit the act. Do you blame the alcohol or the car for a drunk driving death? Of course the super libtard will reflect on soldiers using guns in battle. Are you then calling the people that defend us murderers?
Wake up leftys, evil people do evil things! Don't blame the tool for the destruction.

How many people does the average rolling pin murderer take out? What a ridiculously stupid argument.


Is it an African or European rolling pin?
2012-12-17 01:45:43 PM
1 votes:

Launch Code: [i1253.photobucket.com image 201x251]
It takes a human to commit the act. Do you blame the alcohol or the car for a drunk driving death? Of course the super libtard will reflect on soldiers using guns in battle. Are you then calling the people that defend us murderers?
Wake up leftys, evil people do evil things! Don't blame the tool for the destruction.



lmao, yeah but give me one example of a mall/theater/school massacre with a hammer or a rolling pin

evil, violent, careless people exist everywhere.. but firearms undeniably enable them to do much worse to much more than any other tool

/facepalm
2012-12-17 01:44:56 PM
1 votes:
img836.imageshack.us
2012-12-17 01:39:02 PM
1 votes:

Snarfangel: probesport: "Mrs Lanza, 52, was a 'prepper' - so called because they are preparing for a breakdown in civilized society - who apparently became obsessed with guns and taught Adam and his older brother, Ryan, how to shoot, even taking them to local ranges."

Oh my what a horrible, horrible person. She even took them to shooting ranges? Why not puppy farms with bounce houses?

Imagining cute little puppies happily bouncing around is making me smile. :)


t3.gstatic.com
2012-12-17 01:36:22 PM
1 votes:

Phineas: First rule of being liberal: hate the parts of the Constitution that your friends, teachers, and television tell you to hate

Second rule of being liberal: blame Conservativism and capitalism for everything that goes wrong, including hurricanes, economic collapses, and insane people who butcher innocents

Third rule of being liberal: if you must defend insane people who butcher innocents, make sure they're middle eastern, then sympathize with their plight and how they're treated in captivity

And finally, the fourth rule, read Fark, dailykos, huffington post, basically any site where you can congregate with other liberals and congratulate each other for how much smarter and tolerant you are, tolerant of everyone that beileves what you believe, that is.


Can't speak for anyone else, but I've TRIED to 'congregate' over on FreeRepublic.

They banned me for asking a question.

If you think Fark's too liberal, I recommend the "ignore" button.

Use it...liberally :)
2012-12-17 01:35:04 PM
1 votes:

JRoo: probesport: "Mrs Lanza, 52, was a 'prepper' - so called because they are preparing for a breakdown in civilized society - who apparently became obsessed with guns and taught Adam and his older brother, Ryan, how to shoot, even taking them to local ranges."

Oh my what a horrible, horrible person. She even took them to shooting ranges? Why not puppy farms with bounce houses?

Why not puppy farms with bounce houses?

Maybe he would rather have gone there but she wouldn't take him and made him learn how to be an efficient killer instead.

I think most people are pretty crazy until they reach about their upper twenties.


Crazy raises crazy, I was in my career and just bought a house at 20 with little to no crazy. Teaching kids how to plink paper targets does not make them efficient killers anymore than teaching someone how to cut a steak makes them a coroner.
2012-12-17 01:34:12 PM
1 votes:

TheOther: Do you have a meth lab in your basement?


No, I have bags of thinset and 14 boxes of porcelain tile. And some tools.
2012-12-17 01:34:04 PM
1 votes:
Not only was she a failure at raising her kids, she was a failure at being a survivalist.
2012-12-17 01:30:35 PM
1 votes:
What? No who vs whom grammar slap to subby? What is this world coming to!?!
2012-12-17 01:29:28 PM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: hammettman: Coco LaFemme: Gee, who would have thought that being a paranoid survivalist stockpiling guns with a mentally disturbed child in the house would end up being a really stupid idea. I wish this woman wasn't dead because if her son hadn't shot her first, I'd be demanding her ass be put on trial for all 26 dead bodies her son racked up. She helped create the monster, she should have been made to pay for it.

THIS

And sadly, it's too soon or too sad to call her a dumbass because polite society says she should be pitied for dying horribly at the hands of her own child. No. fark her. And somebody on teevee no doubt put that B-52 loadfull of weapons grade derp in her pathetic brain. I'd love to know where she acquired that bs.

This is just plain stupid. Dems will just use this as mare ammo to chip away at rights. As terrible as this tragedy is, using it to erode the constitution is a slipper slope.

Cars kill far more people each year. Ban them too?

If you want to fix the problem, start being tough parents again. But liberals don't believe in that. Further left we go, the worse society gets.


At first glance, I'd laugh and say that you're trolling, and rather badly at that. But after reviewing your grammar and the stupidly of your argument, I'd have to guess that you're just an average, perhaps a bit farther on the right, Republican with a very loose grasp of reality.
2012-12-17 01:29:04 PM
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.


Shut your whore mouth!
2012-12-17 01:27:37 PM
1 votes:
Utter fail, Fark.

Subby should be school massacred for his idiotic use of "whom" and the rest of you should feel really bad about not making him feel really bad about it.
2012-12-17 01:21:21 PM
1 votes:

meatsack_01: [causes-prod.caudn.com image 640x636]


Funny - last week the Right felt that public school teachers were worthless moochers off the teat of the Job Creators. This week, they want them all carrying assault rifles.
2012-12-17 01:19:52 PM
1 votes:
causes-prod.caudn.com
2012-12-17 01:18:05 PM
1 votes:
Is this the thread where we blame a victim instead of the farking whackjob that murdered all those children?
2012-12-17 01:17:41 PM
1 votes:

Phineas: First rule of being liberal: hate the parts of the Constitution that your friends, teachers, and television tell you to hate

Second rule of being liberal: blame Conservativism and capitalism for everything that goes wrong, including hurricanes, economic collapses, and insane people who butcher innocents

Third rule of being liberal: if you must defend insane people who butcher innocents, make sure they're middle eastern, then sympathize with their plight and how they're treated in captivity

And finally, the fourth rule, read Fark, dailykos, huffington post, basically any site where you can congregate with other liberals and congratulate each other for how much smarter and tolerant you are, tolerant of everyone that beileves what you believe, that is.


Step 5: fart in your Toyota Prius and bask in how great your fart smells.
2012-12-17 01:15:52 PM
1 votes:

Phineas: tolerant of everyone that beileves what you believe, that is.


Yeah, 'cause the Right is so well known for tolerance for others' beliefs.

www.rawstory.com

/go sit in the corner, dumbass.
2012-12-17 01:14:11 PM
1 votes:
As she laid there in bed with her son pointing a rifle at her, I wonder what the last thing that went through her mind was.
2012-12-17 01:13:53 PM
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: We should start treating them like pit bulls, really. Maybe you've got a nice one, but keep it the fark away from me and my family.


4.bp.blogspot.com

What a pit bull might look like.
2012-12-17 01:10:53 PM
1 votes:

hinten: How exactly owning a long list of devices that are primarily designed to kill makes you safer is anyone's guess.


Tactical ability to return fire or respond to detected intrusion with a first strike.

What makes the community safer is being able to collectively neutralize a threat. In other words: the community is unsafe when a random single person is able to systematically rape/mug/murder people; the individual is unsafe when such an attacker gains first strike (you can't draw a gun if you have a gun pointed in your face, you get shot; hell, it's easy to just grab someone's gun away from them when they reach for the hip, if you can grapple with them competently); but if the attacker shoots you and the people in hearing range have guns, several will take their guns out and come find the attacker--either apprehend or kill. You might be dead, but his next victim... will not be a thing.

Essentially it's the same idea as a police force, except we put guns in the hands of more people. We're supposed to psychologically evaluate people and put some restrictions on who can have a gun; just like with the police force, this often fails (it fails a LOT in some police forces, to the point that the only people who want to be cops are cliqy assholes that want to feel important). Ideally, we make it a statistics problem: the system should be self-regulating, such that there's enough benefit to diminish the negative consequences below what occurs otherwise.

That's the theory. Impact has to do with culture--criminal culture, peoples' willingness to fight back, saturation (if more than a few but still not enough people have guns, criminals just arms-race by becoming more violent), and so on.
2012-12-17 01:10:26 PM
1 votes:

birchman: HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.

You're not helping


Maybe fewer people would feel that way about gun owners if every simple little attempt at keeping guns out of the hands of lunatics like this kid, "the Joker" in Aurora and Seung-Hui Cho wasn't met by "responsible gun owners" unleashing a massive backlash of righteous indignation.

I mean, seriously. It's too much to ask that you should have to register a firearm, report it if its gets lost of stolen and keep it locked away so that it can't be taken and used against someone else?

To the "responsible gun owners" the answer to all three is not just "yes", but "YES AND IF YOU DISAGREE YOU HATE FREEDOM YOU STUPID COMMIE PINKO!!!111"

So, yea. Havin' a hard time finding these alleged "responsible gun owners" anywhere in this debate.
2012-12-17 01:09:54 PM
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minoridiot: Since she divorced Peter, Nancy has had no need to work because she receives $200,000 in support from Peter Lanza

2%er problems.


So...no more child payments?
2012-12-17 01:06:23 PM
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Felgraf: WizardofToast: I think 'end of the world' scenarios have really warped the brains of some people in society. And all this doomsday crap is driving people to do crazy things. I wouldn't be surprised if some people snap on December 21 thinking the world is ending when really it farking isn't. Everyone seems to think the world ends on Friday but has no farking clue how it will.

On December 18th, a giant, angry face will appear on the moon.


Dawn of the 5th Day.
2012-12-17 01:04:36 PM
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: She could afford those guns but couldn't afford a gun safe.

Isn't it time that we paid our kindergarten teachers more?


She may have been an insane weapons hoarder spawning psycopathic children but at least she didn't show up in an adult film.

Her ass would have been canned immediately.
2012-12-17 01:04:00 PM
1 votes:

Mentat: I also heard that he was wearing a lot of pouches, which means we need to ban Rob Liefeld.


We should just ban that dude anyway
2012-12-17 01:02:04 PM
1 votes:
To those people calling his mother out on not having a gun safe. There is nothing to say she didn't have one. She may have had trigger locks on them. But a 20 year old who lives in the house with her, who has gone to the gun range with her, will most likely know the combination to the safe and where the trigger lock key is.
2012-12-17 01:01:32 PM
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PreMortem: Court ordered mandatory psychological exams, then involuntary institutionalisation.

We are allowing too many whack jobs to roam freely.


Medical care? With my tax dollars? I don't think so.
2012-12-17 12:59:47 PM
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Sleeping Monkey: She gets the fail award of the year for believing that having assault weapons in her home would make her safe. Now that entire community is paying for her ignorance.


Not necessarily.

There are two more questions here of immediate relevance:

- Would a larger base of armed, trained citizenry prevent more deaths than these occasional outliers?
- Would a larger base of armed, trained citizenry (say, the teachers, or anyone within hearing range of the gunshots) have provided for earlier dispatch of the shooter, such that fewer deaths would have been incurred per incident?

Other questions of longer-term relevance include:

- Can we change our cultural basis to reduce the severity and frequency of these tragedies? (i.e. small children are IMMENSELY preoccupied with shooting and killing people and how awesome blowing things up is; gangsters and criminals are idolized; shooting people makes you really cool. How do we stop this from becoming the mentality of children who grow up into adults that don't always shed this mentality?)

- Can we improve mental health services to detect and treat people, such that fewer will become this unstable?

And so on.
2012-12-17 12:58:32 PM
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TIKIMAN87: El_Frijole_Blanco: So a Teabagger then

lol self reliance is something a liberal will never learn.


She was self reliant alright, she supplied the tools of her own demise.
2012-12-17 12:58:14 PM
1 votes:
Survivalism claims another 27 innocent victims.

When are people going to learn? NOBODY SURVIVES LIFE.

The collapse of Civilization will take down any reason you might have to survive unless you are a stone age jungle dweller or a brain dead zombie.
2012-12-17 12:55:10 PM
1 votes:

coco ebert: Rich white people have lost their gotdamn minds!


You're just realizing that?.
2012-12-17 12:55:07 PM
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Mr. Coffee Nerves: Six tons of "Apocalypse Chow" and an armory a Somali warlord would beat off to


There is a lot of beating off going on over this whole mess.

People. This shiat happens.
You can't stop it.

We all die.
It's how we live that counts.

Hug your kids. Don't be a nutjob parent. Keep the dangerous shiat locked up.
If your kid is a dangerous shiat, keep him locked up, too.
2012-12-17 12:54:17 PM
1 votes:
Why do I get the feeling that the"preppers" will cause the breakdown of our society?
2012-12-17 12:21:50 PM
1 votes:
I understand the gun control debate, but can we address the serious derp problem we have in this country?
2012-12-17 11:29:47 AM
1 votes:

hinten: How exactly owning a long list of devices that are primarily designed to kill makes you safer is anyone's guess.


don't you watch Walking Dead?
2012-12-17 10:53:23 AM
1 votes:
How exactly owning a long list of devices that are primarily designed to kill makes you safer is anyone's guess.
2012-12-17 10:43:19 AM
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese:

I didn't say that the government should step in an stop it.

The press and hollywood could have a bit of restraint and not put out those stories or those types of shows.


but I thought you were against interfering in the free market...?
2012-12-17 10:30:57 AM
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: Police say that when his body was found, he carried a third semi-automatic pistol in his military-style cargo pants

Clearly, we need to ban military style cargo pants.



Old Navy Surplus!
2012-12-17 10:26:03 AM
1 votes:

minoridiot: Since she divorced Peter, Nancy has had no need to work because she receives $200,000 in support from Peter Lanza.


We either need to ban rich people, the unemployed, or single mothers. I'm trying to decide which.
2012-12-17 10:25:39 AM
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Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.

hey, I like those stories!


Yes, let's eliminate the First Amendment to protect the Second.
2012-12-17 10:19:38 AM
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.



Agreed
2012-12-17 10:18:53 AM
1 votes:

Since she divorced Peter, Nancy has had no need to work because she receives $200,000 in support from Peter Lanza


2%er problems.
2012-12-17 10:15:12 AM
1 votes:
maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.
2012-12-17 10:13:30 AM
1 votes:

Sleeping Monkey: She gets the fail award of the year for believing that having assault weapons in her home would make her safe. Now that entire community is paying for her ignorance.


Cadaver Trial, anyone?
2012-12-17 10:12:54 AM
1 votes:

SlothB77: First rule of surviving total societal breakdown: surviving until society breaks down.


wow... i actually agreed with that.
2012-12-17 10:00:57 AM
1 votes:

homelessdude: Survivalist? Oh please........

Yeah, cause you know, when society breaks down, the first things the Godless Sodomite Philistines will come for are the homes valued around $600k and up 

Connecticut shooter Adam Lanza and family members revealed
(examiner.com)


 
Why wasn't that crazy lady more logical?
2012-12-17 09:57:54 AM
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Survivalist? Oh please........

Yeah, cause you know, when society breaks down, the first things the Godless Sodomite Philistines will come for are the homes valued around $600k and up 

Connecticut shooter Adam Lanza and family members revealed
(examiner.com)
 
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