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2012-12-17 09:53:00 AM  
29 votes:
She gets the fail award of the year for believing that having assault weapons in her home would make her safe. Now that entire community is paying for her ignorance.
2012-12-17 08:52:06 AM  
11 votes:
So a Teabagger then
2012-12-17 12:55:07 PM  
10 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Six tons of "Apocalypse Chow" and an armory a Somali warlord would beat off to


There is a lot of beating off going on over this whole mess.

People. This shiat happens.
You can't stop it.

We all die.
It's how we live that counts.

Hug your kids. Don't be a nutjob parent. Keep the dangerous shiat locked up.
If your kid is a dangerous shiat, keep him locked up, too.
2012-12-17 10:03:29 AM  
10 votes:
First rule of surviving total societal breakdown: surviving until society breaks down.
2012-12-17 12:54:17 PM  
9 votes:
Why do I get the feeling that the"preppers" will cause the breakdown of our society?
2012-12-17 11:11:33 AM  
9 votes:
Gee, who would have thought that being a paranoid survivalist stockpiling guns with a mentally disturbed child in the house would end up being a really stupid idea. I wish this woman wasn't dead because if her son hadn't shot her first, I'd be demanding her ass be put on trial for all 26 dead bodies her son racked up. She helped create the monster, she should have been made to pay for it.
2012-12-17 01:10:26 PM  
8 votes:

birchman: HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.

You're not helping


Maybe fewer people would feel that way about gun owners if every simple little attempt at keeping guns out of the hands of lunatics like this kid, "the Joker" in Aurora and Seung-Hui Cho wasn't met by "responsible gun owners" unleashing a massive backlash of righteous indignation.

I mean, seriously. It's too much to ask that you should have to register a firearm, report it if its gets lost of stolen and keep it locked away so that it can't be taken and used against someone else?

To the "responsible gun owners" the answer to all three is not just "yes", but "YES AND IF YOU DISAGREE YOU HATE FREEDOM YOU STUPID COMMIE PINKO!!!111"

So, yea. Havin' a hard time finding these alleged "responsible gun owners" anywhere in this debate.
2012-12-17 12:41:49 PM  
8 votes:
Stocking up on some extra water, easy-to-prepare food and propane canisters in anticipation of losing power for a few days when a severe storm strikes: not crazy.
Six tons of "Apocalypse Chow" and an armory a Somali warlord would beat off to so you can become Lord Humongous when the Mummy Uprising strikes (the zombies are just a ploy): crazy.
2012-12-17 12:21:50 PM  
7 votes:
I understand the gun control debate, but can we address the serious derp problem we have in this country?
2012-12-17 10:20:20 AM  
7 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.


hey, I like those stories!

on a more serious note - not all preppers are crazy, but a lot of crazy people are preppers. given the situation after hurricane katrina or again after hurricane sandy...preparing for a long term disruption of power and food distribution systems is starting to look like plain common sense and not an indication of crazy loonie toons insanity.
2012-12-17 09:54:41 AM  
7 votes:
If only she had more guns, she might've been safer.
2012-12-17 01:44:56 PM  
6 votes:
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2012-12-17 01:19:12 PM  
6 votes:
Events like this make me glad of the system we have in Canada. We have more guns per capita then the US but handguns are restricted to sport shooters with a special license and fully automatic weapons are banned.

What is more vital and in my opinion the best way of controlling insane behavior like this but without having to restrict the right of hunters and sport shooters is the limit we have on magazine size. It is illegal in Canada to sell a magazine larger then 5 rounds. This by definition slows down the ability of someone to cause one of these tragedies and does not affect hunters. (seriously if you need more then 5 shots the deer is gone man).

To me this seems an easy thing to do to protect peoples rights and protect the rest of us from those people expressing their rights.
2012-12-17 01:11:34 PM  
6 votes:

SubjectVerb: HotWingConspiracy: nitefallz: HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.

Lazy troll is extremely lazy

They're responsible right up until they stop being responsible, then people die. See James Holmes.

We should start treating them like pit bulls, really. Maybe you've got a nice one, but keep it the fark away from me and my family.

Great, now you've let all the criminals know that you can't defend your family. Don't let people know you're not armed.

/do you not lock your doors either?


Do you honestly, sincerely believe that your area is full of people waiting to bust down your door, steal everything you own and rape you, the second they find out there's no guns in your home?

How do you avoid wetting yourself every time you step outside?
2012-12-17 10:07:31 AM  
6 votes:
Court ordered mandatory psychological exams, then involuntary institutionalisation.

We are allowing too many whack jobs to roam freely.
2012-12-17 01:21:21 PM  
5 votes:

meatsack_01: [causes-prod.caudn.com image 640x636]


Funny - last week the Right felt that public school teachers were worthless moochers off the teat of the Job Creators. This week, they want them all carrying assault rifles.
2012-12-17 01:18:39 PM  
5 votes:

Thunderpipes: hammettman: Coco LaFemme: Gee, who would have thought that being a paranoid survivalist stockpiling guns with a mentally disturbed child in the house would end up being a really stupid idea. I wish this woman wasn't dead because if her son hadn't shot her first, I'd be demanding her ass be put on trial for all 26 dead bodies her son racked up. She helped create the monster, she should have been made to pay for it.

THIS

And sadly, it's too soon or too sad to call her a dumbass because polite society says she should be pitied for dying horribly at the hands of her own child. No. fark her. And somebody on teevee no doubt put that B-52 loadfull of weapons grade derp in her pathetic brain. I'd love to know where she acquired that bs.

This is just plain stupid. Dems will just use this as mare ammo to chip away at rights. As terrible as this tragedy is, using it to erode the constitution is a slipper slope.

Cars kill far more people each year. Ban them too?

If you want to fix the problem, start being tough parents again. But liberals don't believe in that. Further left we go, the worse society gets.



Yes, start beating the severely mentally ill child with access to an arsenal, thats guaranteed to fix things.

How can you sincerely believe that massacres like this are an acceptable price to pay for your "right" to own instruments of death?
2012-12-17 01:02:33 PM  
5 votes:

nitefallz: HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.

Lazy troll is extremely lazy


They're responsible right up until they stop being responsible, then people die. See James Holmes.

We should start treating them like pit bulls, really. Maybe you've got a nice one, but keep it the fark away from me and my family.
2012-12-17 01:02:04 PM  
5 votes:
To those people calling his mother out on not having a gun safe. There is nothing to say she didn't have one. She may have had trigger locks on them. But a 20 year old who lives in the house with her, who has gone to the gun range with her, will most likely know the combination to the safe and where the trigger lock key is.
2012-12-17 11:59:22 AM  
5 votes:

Coco LaFemme: Gee, who would have thought that being a paranoid survivalist stockpiling guns with a mentally disturbed child in the house would end up being a really stupid idea. I wish this woman wasn't dead because if her son hadn't shot her first, I'd be demanding her ass be put on trial for all 26 dead bodies her son racked up. She helped create the monster, she should have been made to pay for it.


This 1000x times this.

The whole media "tragedy" angle is missing one fundamental fact: This family spawned this effed up asswit kid, and probably fought to keep him out of treatment or custody. Every damn one of them should be held accountable. But since justice happened to the mom, I guess we can start with the Ernst and Young VP dad. The one dumping the mom in 2009, the same year she quit her job to homeschool lil shooter Adam.
2012-12-17 10:15:12 AM  
5 votes:
maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.
2012-12-17 09:59:15 AM  
5 votes:
Well... The important thing is that her 2nd Amendment rights weren't infringed upon. That would have been the real tragedy here, and we should be thankful that she died free.
2012-12-17 01:34:50 PM  
4 votes:

Sleeping Monkey: She gets the fail award of the year for believing that having assault weapons in her home would make her safe. Now that entire community is paying for her ignorance.


I've been having this argument with my family for a few months now, but the answer to this isn't legislation restricting access to guns, but legislation placing 100% responsibility for controlling that gun on the person that legally owns it, and making the penalties for not controlling it absolutely draconian.

If your kid gets your gun and robs the 7-11, you're doing 10 years mandatory minimum. If your kid gets your guns and shoots up an elementary school, you're doing life, no parole.

Gun control should start with gun owners, and positive control of the weapon needs to be the primary responsibility that comes along with it. If this lady knew she could be doing hard prison time if her guns got out of her control, she might have taken better care of them and kept them out of the hands of her nutter kid.

Guns belong on your person, or locked up tight. Not in your nightstand or under your bed.
2012-12-17 01:21:11 PM  
4 votes:

dittybopper: Vegan Meat Popsicle: But remember. Requiring people to have safety locks on their guns and report them when they're lost or stolen is a grievous assault on liberty.

Quite literally, you are correct: The Supreme Court has ruled that requiring that guns be inoperable is a violation of the Second Amendment. It's settled law.

As for reporting them lost or stolen, that's hard to do with your face shot off.


Hardly unique among the stupid decisions made throughout the Court's history, but it doesn't preclude requiring that the guns be secured.

dittybopper: As for reporting them lost or stolen, that's hard to do with your face shot off.


Ah, yes. You must be another one of those "responsible gun owners" I keep hearing about. A man in a perpetual state of pants-wetting paranoia about the very low possibility that somebody might break into his occupied home and attempt to harm him or his family.

Meanwhile, I"m sure you drive somewhere on almost a daily basis. A routine act of willing submission to a much, MUCH greater risk of harm than the possibility of some skeery thug the size of a barn breaking in your front door and trying to kill you.

Keep on 'derpin. Ain't nothing like nine to ten thousand firearms deaths a year as payment for you to keep pretending you're Mad Farking Max.
2012-12-17 01:20:49 PM  
4 votes:

Mattyb710: Is this the thread where we blame a victim instead of the farking whackjob that murdered all those children?


The victim trained and supplied the whackjob.
2012-12-17 01:18:26 PM  
4 votes:
Good Idea: Being prepared for possible disasters
Bad Idea: Being a prepper because the wrong guy was elected President again for the 22nd time

Good idea: Living for the advancement of Civilization
Bad Idea: Being enamoured of the idea of living without Civilization

Good Idea: Keeping enough guns and ammo to maintain order in the event of a temporary collapse of civil order
Bad Idea: Letting the loonies and the political extremists keep enough guns and ammo to cause a temporary collapse of civil order

Good Idea: Making War on the commercialization and political exploitation of Christmas
Bad Idea: Making War on those who don't give a damn about Christmas

Good Idea: Learning from past disasters to prepare for future disasters before they are upon you
Bad Idiea: Learning about future disasters from demogogues and political and religious cranks

Good idea: Assuming that half the US population is completely insane
Bad Idea: Assuming you can tell which half that is
2012-12-17 01:13:57 PM  
4 votes:
Phineas, now that you've got that strawman out of your system, care to make a contribution that isn't a pile of steaming derp?
2012-12-17 12:58:14 PM  
4 votes:
Survivalism claims another 27 innocent victims.

When are people going to learn? NOBODY SURVIVES LIFE.

The collapse of Civilization will take down any reason you might have to survive unless you are a stone age jungle dweller or a brain dead zombie.
2012-12-17 12:57:39 PM  
4 votes:
She did a shiat job of securing her weapons, then.
2012-12-17 12:53:25 PM  
4 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Diogenes: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.

hey, I like those stories!

Yes, let's eliminate the First Amendment to protect the Second.

I didn't say that the government should step in an stop it.

The press and hollywood could have a bit of restraint and not put out those stories or those types of shows.


It's fiction. When people start reacting badly IRL to fiction, the problem is not with the creators of the fiction. Hint: crazy people are crazy.
2012-12-17 10:24:17 AM  
4 votes:
Rich white people have lost their gotdamn minds!
2012-12-17 01:53:01 PM  
3 votes:

Just for a fact check on statements up thread (emphasis mine) (cdc 2009 stats):


Motor vehicle traffic deaths

Number of deaths: 34,485
Deaths per 100,000 population: 11.2

All firearm deaths

Number of deaths: 31,347
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.2


By no means at all is that "far more deaths" from cars. Source. It is my understanding the 2012 stats are even tighter, and gun deaths are trending up and car deaths are trending down.
2012-12-17 01:46:04 PM  
3 votes:

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It takes a human to commit the act. Do you blame the alcohol or the car for a drunk driving death? Of course the super libtard will reflect on soldiers using guns in battle. Are you then calling the people that defend us murderers?
Wake up leftys, evil people do evil things! Don't blame the tool for the destruction.


Firearm homicides in the US: 11,493
All other homicides in the US: 5,306

Guns are used to murder more than twice as many people in the US as all other weapons combined.
Source: CDC, 2009 statistics
2012-12-17 01:39:00 PM  
3 votes:

Magorn: Gun cotnrol or Nutjob control, not sure which is the better solution, but recent events make it painfully clear that our society is in desperate need of one or the other.


Incorrect. We need a balanced approach to both. We can't just lock up everyone who makes us feel uncomfortable--who has a statistical likelihood to commit a certain crime. We also can't just collect up all the firearms in this country. What we can do is place reasonable restrictions on who can have those firearms, what kinds, and so on; and we can provide for more detection and treatment of dangerous mental disorders.

Combining these approaches will reduce, but not eliminate, the threats in two overlapping groups; the remainder of overlap will thus form two more overlapping groups, leaving an even smaller overlap of people who will eventually pose a problem. That's a major reduction for relatively minor effort.
2012-12-17 01:21:36 PM  
3 votes:

Coco LaFemme: She helped create the monster, she should have been made to pay for it.


Well, actually, she did.
2012-12-17 01:11:07 PM  
3 votes:

Coco LaFemme: Gee, who would have thought that being a paranoid survivalist stockpiling guns with a mentally disturbed child in the house would end up being a really stupid idea. I wish this woman wasn't dead because if her son hadn't shot her first, I'd be demanding her ass be put on trial for all 26 dead bodies her son racked up. She helped create the monster, she should have been made to pay for it.


THIS

And sadly, it's too soon or too sad to call her a dumbass because polite society says she should be pitied for dying horribly at the hands of her own child. No. fark her. And somebody on teevee no doubt put that B-52 loadfull of weapons grade derp in her pathetic brain. I'd love to know where she acquired that bs.
GCD
2012-12-17 01:10:51 PM  
3 votes:
It might be going out on a limb here, but the more of this story that emerges, the more this sounds like a "December 21st preemptive strike" type scenario.

If she was a part of this "Doomsday Prepper movement", then one could safely assume that she was stockpiling for end of the world. That would rationally explain the copious amounts of ammo that has reportedly been found.

Now add into the mix a person with an unknown medical condition(s) who has probably be brought up to believe that the world was is ending on December 21st and you have yourself a volatile powder keg that was just waiting for a spark to explode.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they discover that the person responsible somehow thought that by killing people before the end of the world, he was somehow doing them a favor and "saving" them from a worse fate on December 21st.

Given the information that continues to emerge here, the whole thing seems pretty plausible.
2012-12-17 01:06:19 PM  
3 votes:
Remember when Giffard was shot and right wingers had to suddenly back paddle on "lock and load" and maps with gunsights (or something that looks suspiciously like gunsights to every one who is not a Republican lawyer)?

Well, this times ten thousand.

Not only will we have to listen to them whine as they do every time their consensual reality is punctured by the Great Conspiracy of Reality Against Paranoid Partisans (G-CRAPP), but now mean, evil lieberals will be pointing out the insanity of the Great Liberal Apocalyptic Doom (GLAD) they have been preaching with increasing furvor since they realized that demographics and the economy have betrayed them and time is now the enemy.

To quote the great Zen philosopher Grr "Hooray! We're all doomed!"

Sign me up! This should be as much fun as a barrel of live fish and a shotgun.
2012-12-17 01:05:04 PM  
3 votes:
But remember. Requiring people to have safety locks on their guns and report them when they're lost or stolen is a grievous assault on liberty.

When the full details come out, if it turns out this kid had a known history of mental problems and/or violence AND this woman not only stockpiled guns but kept them available despite knowing about his derangement I don't think it would be a step too far for people to make the occasional pilgrimage to her grave to take a giant dump on.
2012-12-17 12:59:32 PM  
3 votes:
"Whom"?

Grammar fail, subby.
2012-12-17 12:57:28 PM  
3 votes:

TIKIMAN87: El_Frijole_Blanco: So a Teabagger then

lol self reliance is something a liberal will never learn.


Good thing that rugged survivalist was ready when a man with a gun showed up.
2012-12-17 12:55:34 PM  
3 votes:
I think 'end of the world' scenarios have really warped the brains of some people in society. And all this doomsday crap is driving people to do crazy things. I wouldn't be surprised if some people snap on December 21 thinking the world is ending when really it farking isn't. Everyone seems to think the world ends on Friday but has no farking clue how it will.
2012-12-17 12:55:10 PM  
3 votes:

Generation_D: The whole media "tragedy" angle is missing one fundamental fact: This family spawned this effed up asswit kid, and probably fought to keep him out of treatment or custody. Every damn one of them should be held accountable. But since justice happened to the mom, I guess we can start with the Ernst and Young VP dad. The one dumping the mom in 2009, the same year she quit her job to homeschool lil shooter Adam.


Hold on, now, I'm not sure how culpable the dad is at this point. Hell, the reason for the divorce may have been *related* to the fact that the son was Looney Tunes and the mom wouldn't get help/admit it/whatever.

/Or the crazy of both of them together caused him to go "Fark this, I'm out.".
2012-12-17 10:28:24 AM  
3 votes:
I also heard that he was wearing a lot of pouches, which means we need to ban Rob Liefeld.
2012-12-17 10:27:25 AM  
3 votes:

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.

hey, I like those stories!

on a more serious note - not all preppers are crazy, but a lot of crazy people are preppers. given the situation after hurricane katrina or again after hurricane sandy...preparing for a long term disruption of power and food distribution systems is starting to look like plain common sense and not an indication of crazy loonie toons insanity.


Sure but do you need Kevlar and an arsenal to withstand a bad Nor'easter
2012-12-17 10:19:38 AM  
3 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.



Agreed
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2012-12-17 10:10:53 AM  
3 votes:

homelessdude: Survivalist? Oh please........

Yeah, cause you know, when society breaks down, the first things the Godless Sodomite Philistines will come for are the homes valued around $600k and up 

Connecticut shooter Adam Lanza and family members revealed
(examiner.com)


What sort of survivalist thinks a house in a suburb is the place to survive the collapse of civilization? What do they think? That they are going to fight their way to Safeway to get food?
2012-12-17 09:56:03 AM  
3 votes:
Nancy Lanza was reportedly "struggling to hold herself together and had been stockpiling food, water and guns in the large home she shared with her 20-year-old son in Connecticut.

"Mrs Lanza, 52, was a 'prepper' - so called because they are preparing for a breakdown in civilized society - who apparently became obsessed with guns and taught Adam and his older brother, Ryan, how to shoot, even taking them to local ranges."


The apple did not fall far from the tree, it does appear.
2012-12-17 02:59:37 PM  
2 votes:
There's a curious thing about guns; many folks who own them have this urge to use them.

I have no problem with people owning guns. I own a few myself. However, it's been years since I fired any and a couple are gathering dust. I know folks who own guns, know gun safety, secure their weapons and ammo and who either like target shooting or do a bit of hunting.

Most have no desire or need for a military style weapon. I have been to gun shows, where at one end you can buy a civilian version of a military rifle and at the other end, you can buy a kit and instructions on how to convert it back into full automatic. They sell them under various names to get past the weak laws. Like 'spare parts'.

I usually see mounds of heavy, clear plastic bags holding masses of bright, shiny ammunition. 90% of the sellers have carry permits and wear their weapons in plain sight. The shows are always secured by the cops, who greet you entering and exiting, make sure any weapon you're bringing in is empty and secured and the same with any you're taking out. The cops are armed.

You can pick out the nutcases nearly the moment you enter the hall. They're usually festooned with assorted weapon related sayings and copies of the Bill of Rights. All are armed.

Still, you can find similar folks at a knife and sword show.

Every generation has it's Lunatic Fringe. The survivalists. They tend to consist of folks mainly resentful of any government but one they conceive. Paramilitary. Some are ex-military, who just loved the military too much -- even for the military.

I have no problem with teaching kids to shoot, provided you do it right. Many farm kids just about grow up teething on a shotgun, which they use to protect the farm from predators and for hunting. They almost never wind up going out and blasting holes in strangers or stop signs.

However, if you're a paranoid nutcase, you're gonna make your kids nuts. During puberty, teens have conflicting emotions and face a host of realizations and realities to sort out. Their youth acts against them here because they're chock full of energy and curiosity, though a bit short on common sense. Plus, for some unknown reason, many teens don't talk to their parents about their problems.

The reasons vary, according to those skilled in mental health and human nature, but it all boils down to them keeping a whole lot inside. It seems to be nature.

If you wind up having to live in a paranoid society, you become paranoid. If that society consistently expresses the 'kill or be killed' philosophy, then eventually you'll agree. Especially if you can't just leave.
2012-12-17 02:54:37 PM  
2 votes:

pedrop357: mayIFark: When people gets killed by cars, its an accident, unless you drive your car toward someone on the purpose of killing them. How often does that happen? You can only compare that with when you try to shoot a deer and end up shooting your buddy. It does happen, but no one is talking about that.

That makes it better?

Guns are allegedly only for killing, are possessed in the hundreds of millions by tens of millions of people, of whom several million carry a gun EVERYDAY without using it to harm a single person. Some people may go to a range and have 3-10 people handle their firearm and shoot hundreds, maybe thousands of rounds through it. So, guns are used potentially thousands of times a day (does each trip to the range count, or is it each round expended) and there's less harm from that then driving a car, less children killed by guns then pools or buckets, etc.

Cars, which are designed to drive people around manage to kill more people by ACCIDENT then guns do on purpose. it's really too bad that cars aren't used as safely as guns.


Do you ride your bullet to work? You need car as an essential part of your life. One, in today's society, only needs guns to compensate for that small something of theirs.
2012-12-17 02:33:43 PM  
2 votes:

Heinrich von Eckardt: Colour_out_of_Space: [img836.imageshack.us image 305x660]


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Well regulated, as is properly functioning i.e. a citizenry proficient in the use of arms.


"Well regulated" could have that idiomatic use, yes, but when used in the context of militias, "regulated" meant officially controlled and or disciplined.

From the Oxford English Dictionary:

1714 J. Pointer Chronol. Hist. Eng. II. 461 The Muscovite Army was above 100000 Men, and the Swedes but 20000 Regulated Troops.

1769 J. Brown Dict. Holy Bible II. 487/1 What regulated troops of vigilant, active, and courageous ministers, armed with the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

1816 J. Aikin Ann. Reign of George III II. 253 On November 15, the Janissaries, who had massacred the principal officers of the regulated troops, scaled the walls of the seraglio.
2012-12-17 02:08:59 PM  
2 votes:
Jamie Foxx, one of the industry's biggest stars, said Saturday as he promoted Quentin Tarantino's upcoming ultra-violent ,spaghetti Western-style film about slavery, "Django Unchained," that actors can't ignore the fact that movie violence can influence people.

Pops like a gun!

I LOVE it when Hollywood comes out against guns, while promoting a Tarantino flick!
2012-12-17 01:55:36 PM  
2 votes:

JunkyJu: Preppers are smart people.
Everyone should have 2-4 weeks of supplies.
Natural disasters happen.

Everyone hopes no doomsday scenario happens in your lifetime, but to bury your head in the sand and act like it's an impossibility is just plain stupid.


Those that have an emergency supply on hand for natural disasters and the like are one animal. Those that are buying gold and years worth of dried food for the coming collapse when Obama turns the US over to the UN are a whole other animal.
2012-12-17 01:51:01 PM  
2 votes:

WizardofToast: I think 'end of the world' scenarios have really warped the brains of some people in society. And all this doomsday crap is driving people to do crazy things. I wouldn't be surprised if some people snap on December 21 thinking the world is ending when really it farking isn't. Everyone seems to think the world ends on Friday but has no farking clue how it will.


Since I live in a fairly Red and derpy part of my State (Oregon), it might be a good idea to stay inside...
2012-12-17 01:50:10 PM  
2 votes:
Well funded, national healthcare (including comprehensive mental health care), as well as the removal of the stigmas associated with those who seek out mental health care when they need it, could have likely prevented this tragedy. But let's keep derping about gun control.
2012-12-17 01:47:31 PM  
2 votes:
Can we PLEASE get "Doomsday Preppers" off the air now? Paranoid delusions are a mental disorder, not fodder for a farking wacky reality television competition.

/Spare me your predictable responses- I'm not suggesting the government should ban it. Just that whatever terrible cable channel its on come to their g.d. senses and pull it.
2012-12-17 01:43:37 PM  
2 votes:

thornhill: There have been a number recent militia plots to kill law enforcement officers and Sovereign Citizens have killed a number of police officers recently. It just doesn't get any national media attention because it happens in flyover country. The plotters typically get caught because they don't know the first rule about fight club. Check this out. What's unusually about the Newtown shooting was that schools kids were targeted instead of a representative of the Federal Government.


Those are more crazy people trying to cause the collapse of civilization. I'm talking about the kids of the crazy people, their families, and the crazy people themselves to a degree. If you spend years telling your 15 year old that the world is going to end and they won't live long enough to become an adult, how many are going to decide just to end it all like this douche bag did? I mean, why not? The world is going to end, not like they have anything to live for.
2012-12-17 01:43:14 PM  
2 votes:

NightOwl2255: As she laid there in bed with her son pointing a rifle at her, I wonder what the last thing that went through her mind was.


Bullets ??
2012-12-17 01:35:04 PM  
2 votes:

JRoo: probesport: "Mrs Lanza, 52, was a 'prepper' - so called because they are preparing for a breakdown in civilized society - who apparently became obsessed with guns and taught Adam and his older brother, Ryan, how to shoot, even taking them to local ranges."

Oh my what a horrible, horrible person. She even took them to shooting ranges? Why not puppy farms with bounce houses?

Why not puppy farms with bounce houses?

Maybe he would rather have gone there but she wouldn't take him and made him learn how to be an efficient killer instead.

I think most people are pretty crazy until they reach about their upper twenties.


Crazy raises crazy, I was in my career and just bought a house at 20 with little to no crazy. Teaching kids how to plink paper targets does not make them efficient killers anymore than teaching someone how to cut a steak makes them a coroner.
2012-12-17 01:27:23 PM  
2 votes:

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.

hey, I like those stories!

on a more serious note - not all preppers are crazy, but a lot of crazy people are preppers. given the situation after hurricane katrina or again after hurricane sandy...preparing for a long term disruption of power and food distribution systems is starting to look like plain common sense and not an indication of crazy loonie toons insanity.


You know what's the best way to prepare for long-term disruption of power and food distribution systems? By paying for improvements to the country's infrastructure so that when the next storm or earthquake hits, the damage will be minimal.

I look at pictures of the 1906 earthquake in San Francisco and compare that to the 1989 Loma Prieta and the 1994 Northridge. Both the latter earthquakes were equally or stronger than the 1906, but the devastation from the 1906 earthquakes was total while the more recent ones had almost no significant deaths and only some damage to transportation systems (Nimitz Freeway destroyed, Embarcadero freeway destroyed, 280 from King Street to the 280-101 junction unstable). In Northridge, just one or two major freeways were destroyed. Not a single major building had any noticeable impairment, and only a few homes were destroyed (most in the Marina district where the foundation was, er, shaky).

What that tells me is improving the infrastructure would help tremendously.

Being a survivalist is the most expensive and least efficient way to survive a major catastrophe. Pitching in and working as a community by paying more taxes to build and set better standards for infrastructure is the cheapest and most efficient way to deal with major uncertainties.
2012-12-17 01:26:09 PM  
2 votes:

whyRpeoplesostupid: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.


Agreed


I can't agree with that. I mean -- come on! It should be clear that zombies are no more real than, say, jackalopes! Wowee it's scary that there are significant number of people who can't recognize it as fantasy, though! I wonder if it's not more indication of the point I was trying to make yesterday -- the woeful state of good mental health services period, not just at a certain income level. Unless, of course, you want drugs -- we gotcher drugs all over the place, thanks to the free market and bootstrappy, job-creating big pharma! Please note, these are not necessarily drugs that will actually do any good for people who have mental illnesses that tend to make them unemployable (and subsequently uninsurable) because there isn't nearly as much money to be made off of unemployed, uninsured people. But if you get anxious speaking in front of a crowd of people, boy do we have a pill for you! ADHD? We're on it -- what flavor would you like your methamphetamine? (Full disclosure -- ADHD myself, not one of those 'herp-derp-just-make-the-kid-sit-still' people, but the point I'm trying to make here is that obviously ADHD people are employable and there's a profit margin in 'em...which is why I get effective medication. Interestingly, my bi-polar, delusional, ADHD kid could not get anything effective for anything but the ADHD, although Abilify did work for a few weeks. He, OTOH, is unemployable, but now that he's covered under my health insurance thanks to health care reform, maybe they'll be a profit margin in developing something that actually helps him and doesn't just tranquilize him.)

Would better mental health services have helped here? Well, actually, maybe...I mean, clearly this was a family problem, and perhaps if a once-a-year therapy visit were as covered as, say, an annual physical, maybe this issue could have been picked up on and cut off at the pass. Would better gun control have helped? Again, probably -- if weapons of mass killings are not as readily available, maybe we don't have as many mass killings -- that math makes sense to simple-minded me.

And, again, maybe not -- maybe neither would have helped in this situation at all. Even if you remove the guns, you still had a homicidal maniac loose in a classroom full of small children, and I hate to see this tragedy reduced to a numbers game. At the same time, damn -- I'm okay with fixing that whole numbers game scenario a bit as part of the overall solution to this problem! And, who is to say that a mental health professional could have possibly picked up on something wrong like that in a once-a-year visit? Human beings operate on a spectrum, and on a good day or bad day that check might have picked me up, and I am about the most completely pacifistic person you'll ever meet.

I am glad that this discussion is happening, and I'm even glad it's happening on dear, snarky, make-'em-cry Fark. And, I hope to not be one of those one-issue, simple solution sound-bite people. The fact is that this is a many-layered problem, and I totally agree with what a friend of mine said the other day -- it's time to start having this conversation as a nation minus the extremists. Obviously. Enough herp-derp -- be it teabagger, conservative, liberal, libertarian or whatever -- is enough. It's time for the grownups who understand that the world can be a complicated place, and no issue of great weight is ever as simple as it first appears, to get in here and start deciding how to handle things.
2012-12-17 01:22:31 PM  
2 votes:

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.

hey, I like those stories!

on a more serious note - not all preppers are crazy, but a lot of crazy people are preppers. given the situation after hurricane katrina or again after hurricane sandy...preparing for a long term disruption of power and food distribution systems is starting to look like plain common sense and not an indication of crazy loonie toons insanity.


There is a big difference between being prepared for a disaster and being a "prepper." We live in SoCal, so I have a cupboard of canned food and bottled water that could feed us for about 2 weeks in case of an earthquake or other disaster. "Preppers," the type my parents are, think the apocalypse is nigh and hoard mounds of ammo, food, fuel, and make survival backpacks. My dad made us all backpacks when I was a teen that contained binoculars, water proof matches, a gas mask, MREs, you name it. He also thinks that when the world collapses, gold will be useful but ammo will be currency, so he has a reload kit. He has lists of things to prep with that he has printed from WND. Whackados, the lot of them.
2012-12-17 01:19:01 PM  
2 votes:
I used to run into numerous whack-jobs like this when I was a NRA member.

/One of the reasons I quit the NRA
2012-12-17 01:18:05 PM  
2 votes:
Is this the thread where we blame a victim instead of the farking whackjob that murdered all those children?
2012-12-17 01:17:19 PM  
2 votes:
"Mrs Lanza, 52, was a 'prepper' - so called because they are preparing for a breakdown in civilized society - who apparently became obsessed with guns and taught Adam and his older brother, Ryan, how to shoot, even taking them to local ranges."

Oh my what a horrible, horrible person. She even took them to shooting ranges? Why not puppy farms with bounce houses?
2012-12-17 01:15:59 PM  
2 votes:

cryinoutloud: Wolf_Blitzer: Because People in power are Stupid: She could afford those guns but couldn't afford a gun safe.
Isn't it time that we paid our kindergarten teachers more?
She wasn't a teacher, she was living on alimony.

Oh well then--she deserved to die. She had more money than you, and she didn't earn it the way you think she should have. Glad we got that out of the way.


I hope you get paid to jump to conclusions, because its the only thing you seem to be good at. I made no judgements on her lifestyle, simply corrected some misinformation. The early reports were all that she was a teacher at the targeted school, which wasn't the case.
2012-12-17 01:14:10 PM  
2 votes:

H31N0US: dittybopper: bulldg4life: She did a shiat job of securing her weapons, then.

How do we know? For all we know, she stored the guns in a safe, and the son stole the key while she was sleeping.

Even so, a shiat job securing her weapons.


That's an assumption based on no evidence.
What we do know is that she did a shiat job raising her son.
2012-12-17 01:11:20 PM  
2 votes:
First rule of being liberal: hate the parts of the Constitution that your friends, teachers, and television tell you to hate

Second rule of being liberal: blame Conservativism and capitalism for everything that goes wrong, including hurricanes, economic collapses, and insane people who butcher innocents

Third rule of being liberal: if you must defend insane people who butcher innocents, make sure they're middle eastern, then sympathize with their plight and how they're treated in captivity

And finally, the fourth rule, read Fark, dailykos, huffington post, basically any site where you can congregate with other liberals and congratulate each other for how much smarter and tolerant you are, tolerant of everyone that beileves what you believe, that is.
2012-12-17 01:11:02 PM  
2 votes:

utahraptor2: If a teacher would have been armed, he wouldn't have gotten very far.


Yeah, that's a quality I look for in my kids' teachers. A good shot. What could possibly go wrong?

BizarreMan: To those people calling his mother out on not having a gun safe. There is nothing to say she didn't have one. She may have had trigger locks on them. But a 20 year old who lives in the house with her, who has gone to the gun range with her, will most likely know the combination to the safe and where the trigger lock key is.


There's nothing saying she had trigger locks or tiny fairies watching them for her either. A gun safe your kid knows the combo to is a cabinet, not a safe.
2012-12-17 01:10:15 PM  
2 votes:

dittybopper: bulldg4life: She did a shiat job of securing her weapons, then.

How do we know? For all we know, she stored the guns in a safe, and the son stole the key while she was sleeping.


Which would be a shiatty job of securing her weapons.
2012-12-17 01:05:22 PM  
2 votes:

BizarreMan: To those people calling his mother out on not having a gun safe. There is nothing to say she didn't have one. She may have had trigger locks on them. But a 20 year old who lives in the house with her, who has gone to the gun range with her, will most likely know the combination to the safe and where the trigger lock key is.


My thoughts exactly. The guns may have been secured against outsiders, but the son probably had access to them. Her failure was in having them in at all around what by all accounts was a very mentally ill individual.
2012-12-17 01:03:51 PM  
2 votes:

Coco LaFemme: Gee, who would have thought that being a paranoid survivalist stockpiling guns with a mentally disturbed child in the house would end up being a really stupid idea. I wish this woman wasn't dead because if her son hadn't shot her first, I'd be demanding her ass be put on trial for all 26 dead bodies her son racked up. She helped create the monster, she should have been made to pay for it.


In a way this makes more sense and I'm surprised that we haven't seen this as the cause of more shootings; if fear over the world ending was the motive for this guys shootings, he wouldn't be the first person to go on a killing spree because of that.

Whatever the reason you think the world is going to end (the Rapture, earthquakes, aliens, nuclear war, Obama, Mexicans, etc), if you spend years telling your kids that there's no hope for them to have a normal life ever, eventually you'll have people snap. I mean, why not? They've been told for years by their authority figure (be it a parent or religious leader) that there's no hope.
2012-12-17 01:02:37 PM  
2 votes:
WHOM???? Seriously?
2012-12-17 01:00:33 PM  
2 votes:
I'm so glad she was able to protect herself with the guns she had...from someone with guns. That were hers. Or something.

Moar guns!

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2012-12-17 12:59:47 PM  
2 votes:

Sleeping Monkey: She gets the fail award of the year for believing that having assault weapons in her home would make her safe. Now that entire community is paying for her ignorance.


Not necessarily.

There are two more questions here of immediate relevance:

- Would a larger base of armed, trained citizenry prevent more deaths than these occasional outliers?
- Would a larger base of armed, trained citizenry (say, the teachers, or anyone within hearing range of the gunshots) have provided for earlier dispatch of the shooter, such that fewer deaths would have been incurred per incident?

Other questions of longer-term relevance include:

- Can we change our cultural basis to reduce the severity and frequency of these tragedies? (i.e. small children are IMMENSELY preoccupied with shooting and killing people and how awesome blowing things up is; gangsters and criminals are idolized; shooting people makes you really cool. How do we stop this from becoming the mentality of children who grow up into adults that don't always shed this mentality?)

- Can we improve mental health services to detect and treat people, such that fewer will become this unstable?

And so on.
2012-12-17 12:58:47 PM  
2 votes:
The message is clear. Right wingers, you are the nutbag enemy of society
2012-12-17 12:58:32 PM  
2 votes:

TIKIMAN87: El_Frijole_Blanco: So a Teabagger then

lol self reliance is something a liberal will never learn.


She was self reliant alright, she supplied the tools of her own demise.
2012-12-17 12:56:27 PM  
2 votes:
There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.
2012-12-17 12:56:13 PM  
2 votes:
I've heard so much in the news that turned out to be false about this that, I am skeptical of everything they say now.
2012-12-17 12:47:20 PM  
2 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Stocking up on some extra water, easy-to-prepare food and propane canisters in anticipation of losing power for a few days when a severe storm strikes: not crazy.


Any given time I have around 2 weeks worth of food and water. Not because I'm a doomsday prepper, but because I live in a hurricane friendly path in summer/fall, and ice-storm happening area in winter/spring. It's just what you do.

/that and I HATE going to the grocery store every week
//plus, the only thing I normally need to go pick up before an inevitable storm is more alcohol.
2012-12-17 10:44:20 AM  
2 votes:

SnarfVader: El_Frijole_Blanco: So a Teabagger Mormon then

FTFY


I've gotta say, there are a lot of Mormon teabaggers. But we're talking about Connecticut, not Utah or Idaho or Arizona. I'll bet she was just crackers. Also, most Mormons put more emphasis on food and water storage, and sometimes even ham radio usage, than getting worked up about gun porn. The ones I know who are packing are packing silently (talked to two middle-aged Mormon ladies over the weekend who both have CCW, and you'd never guess).
2012-12-17 10:38:22 AM  
2 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Diogenes: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.

hey, I like those stories!

Yes, let's eliminate the First Amendment to protect the Second.

I didn't say that the government should step in an stop it.

The press and hollywood could have a bit of restraint and not put out those stories or those types of shows.


So could gun owners. No provision is absolute.
2012-12-17 10:31:57 AM  
2 votes:

homelessdude: Connecticut shooter Adam Lanza and family members revealed
(examiner.com)


...and lived with his mother at 36 Yogananda Street in Newtown




Yoganandaji weeps....
2012-12-17 10:18:53 AM  
2 votes:

Since she divorced Peter, Nancy has had no need to work because she receives $200,000 in support from Peter Lanza


2%er problems.
2012-12-17 10:12:54 AM  
2 votes:

SlothB77: First rule of surviving total societal breakdown: surviving until society breaks down.


wow... i actually agreed with that.
2012-12-17 09:55:37 AM  
2 votes:

Sleeping Monkey: She gets the fail award of the year for believing that having assault weapons in her home would make her safe. Now that entire community is paying for her ignorance.


If she had them properly secured in a gun safe, she wouldn't have been able to get them out in time to repel the coming North Korean invasion.
2012-12-17 09:51:50 AM  
2 votes:

El_Frijole_Blanco: So a Teabagger then

2012-12-18 01:10:09 PM  
1 votes:

pedrop357: Moonfisher: I am really sick of all the quotes from our founding fathers. Oh look, some rich guy centuries ago said something that sounds clever, so I will toss it around like a Bible quote and pretend it proves my stance rather than applying critical thinking skills. I think saving lives and addressing our contemporary problems is more important than whatever clever catchphrases a bunch of slave-owning politicians pulled out of their asses.

Hooray for disregarding the Constitution and replacing it with 'ends/intentions justify the means'.


i.crackedcdn.com
2012-12-18 11:56:28 AM  
1 votes:
I am really sick of all the quotes from our founding fathers. Oh look, some rich guy centuries ago said something that sounds clever, so I will toss it around like a Bible quote and pretend it proves my stance rather than applying critical thinking skills. I think saving lives and addressing our contemporary problems is more important than whatever clever catchphrases a bunch of slave-owning politicians pulled out of their asses.
2012-12-18 01:23:50 AM  
1 votes:

Mitrovarr: Now that you read this, it really makes a lot of sense.

Paranoid survivalist mom tells all of her kids that the world's going to end, etc. Her Autistic/Asperger son doesn't have the normal connections to other people / the world at large to moderate it at all, so he seriously takes it all to heart, even more than she does. She also trains him to be really good with guns. Finally, something sets him off - maybe a report on the news, or that Mayan prophecy crap - and he really, sincerely thinks that the world is about to end. So he either sinks into despair and lashes out in rage, or he goes on a mission of mercy so other people don't have to live through the end of the world. Who knows.

Basically, if he'd had a normal mother, he'd probably be ok, and if she'd had a normal son, he'd probably be ok, but this particular combination of disorders was multiplicative and we ended up with this.


It's being reported that the shooter/son had a condition which prevented him from feeling physical pain. I imagine that factored into his psychosis as well.
2012-12-18 12:57:17 AM  
1 votes:
Now that you read this, it really makes a lot of sense.

Paranoid survivalist mom tells all of her kids that the world's going to end, etc. Her Autistic/Asperger son doesn't have the normal connections to other people / the world at large to moderate it at all, so he seriously takes it all to heart, even more than she does. She also trains him to be really good with guns. Finally, something sets him off - maybe a report on the news, or that Mayan prophecy crap - and he really, sincerely thinks that the world is about to end. So he either sinks into despair and lashes out in rage, or he goes on a mission of mercy so other people don't have to live through the end of the world. Who knows.

Basically, if he'd had a normal mother, he'd probably be ok, and if she'd had a normal son, he'd probably be ok, but this particular combination of disorders was multiplicative and we ended up with this.
2012-12-18 12:51:13 AM  
1 votes:
Ah America, the land of the free, where people buy guns out of the fear that another person will threaten or harm them with guns.

The land of the brave, where it's now necessary for schools to conduct drilled into lock downs in the case of an armed intruder threatening their children, and to have metal detectors to stop the kids from brining weapons into the classrooms.

The land of the castle, where an armed response is given to anyone who unexpectedly enters their property, even it is just someone coming home late from the bar and who can't find his or her keys.

The land of honor, where it's assumed that its better to take another persons life than to lose your ground.

The land of the prepared, where a private arsenal of weapons to protect you and your family from the coming collapse of society will be more than likely be used by your troubled teenage son or father on himself, and increasingly more likely after he has used that weapon on other members of his family or other members of the community.
2012-12-18 12:04:54 AM  
1 votes:

jaylectricity: The autistic thing is bugging me. As if maybe they realized we wouldn't accept gun control if we just wrote off the murderer as some evil guy. It would be much better to accept that the kid was innocently retarded and shy and we need to protect ourselves by limiting access to guns to everyone.


I'm not sure I quite understand your point.

Are you suggesting that there was some sort of conspiracy at play here with reguard to the shooter and his autism?

Having grown up around autistic people, I can most certainly say, it's NEVER a good idea to have deadly weapons within reach. I've seen the sweetest dispositions suddenly explode into fits of rage which could have proven quite deadly should there be a weapon close-by. For no appearant reason, with very little warning, and almost no "triggering" influence.

Not everyone who is autistic functions at the same level, either. In the case of this particular shooter, I've heard reports that he loaded hundreds of rounds of ammunition, several weapons, wrapping himself in Kevlar, and drove himself to the school.

Now I'm not saying that autism didn't play a role, however, that's about as "high functioning" as I've ever seen. No doubt he was suffering from some form of mental illness, but given my personal experience, this feels extremely pre-meditated to be a "fit of rage".
2012-12-17 11:07:39 PM  
1 votes:

Void_Beavis: I totally agree with you. However that's not the point I'm trying to make.

Subjecting children at a young age to increasingly realistic graphical violence with no consequence for that violence will over time, desensitize them to it. Couple this with other media outlets "glamorizing" gun violence, that child is going to grow up much more accepting of that violence, as well as the proliferation of increasingly powerful tools to perpetuate it.

It's not hard to see how this can happen. Nor is it hard to see how groups like the NRA can be so effective at shaping public policy as a result.


Desensitize doesn't equal "becomes a murderer". I'm pretty desensitized to death, but I'm not going to grab a gun and mow down a classroom at any point in time.
2012-12-17 09:58:10 PM  
1 votes:

simrobert2001: CheetahOlivetti: SnarfVader: El_Frijole_Blanco: So a Teabagger Mormon then

FTFY

I've gotta say, there are a lot of Mormon teabaggers. But we're talking about Connecticut, not Utah or Idaho or Arizona. I'll bet she was just crackers. Also, most Mormons put more emphasis on food and water storage, and sometimes even ham radio usage, than getting worked up about gun porn. The ones I know who are packing are packing silently (talked to two middle-aged Mormon ladies over the weekend who both have CCW, and you'd never guess).

I think i remember something about mormons having a 6 month supply of beans as a religious requirement.


Heh. There are no storage requirements, just lots of suggestions about what you should have. But the ladies do have lots of meetings about food storage, including cooking with stored food (yep, lots of beans) so it gets rotated, and they have their own cannery. But it's not like the bishop checks each home's pantry.
2012-12-17 09:39:14 PM  
1 votes:

Void_Beavis: pleasedonttouchme: My mom told me that her priest this morning blamed it on video games. I told her that was crap.

Except that the priest is partially right.

We live in a culture that desensititzes gun violence to the degree that children are raised with the idea that there is no consequence. As a result, they are raised being much more accepting of the proliferation of increasingly dangerous firearms, and vote to encourage it once having reached an appropriate voting age.


If a person can't tell the difference between a video game and reality, then they have mental problems.
2012-12-17 09:32:46 PM  
1 votes:
An English friend of mine reminded me around Thanksgiving that the Pilgrims were in fact Puritans who were not thrown out of England, but left England because they couldnt throw everybody else out of England.

I hadnt thought of it that way, but it really reveals quite a bit about the origins of the American psyche overall, and what kinds of "acceptable" myths we think make sense. The rabid individualist frontiersman who knows how to stand on his own. The free religious thinker who is not going to be told what to believe by authority.

This is what gets wrapped up in millennialist movements like the Tea Party, survivalists, and end of the world 2012 people. Their essential problem is that they simply cannot function in the world that they live in. It is the origin of fundamentalist movements and religious terrorism, and in some senses we might even say its the origin of this massacre.

You have multiple threads in this situation...but all of them point back to crazy people who think gubmint is going to take their guns, or God is going to condemn people not like them (take your pick in terms of race, gender, sexual orientation here), or civilization is going to end. These people have always been around. But they most certainly have not had access to weapons like they do now.
2012-12-17 09:27:03 PM  
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.


Shut your whore mouth! The Walking Dead is bloody awesome.
2012-12-17 08:00:19 PM  
1 votes:

Sleeping Monkey: She gets the fail award of the year for believing that having assault weapons in her home would make her safe. Now that entire community is paying for her ignorance.


This.

/and I'm on record as being against the anti-gun fervor being whipped up over this
//wonder if she turned survivalist before or after her ex husband began paying her $200,000 a year in support
2012-12-17 07:22:48 PM  
1 votes:
I've got a theory about this guy after reading this article...It could be that with his diminished mental capacity (whatever diagnosis it may be, it seems pretty well documented that there was some problem there), a paranoid mother, who was probably the majority of his human contact, had a little bit more influence than is healthy. I think this guy really believed that the world is going to end (be it an apocalypse, or a collapse of government) and he really feared such an event. Could he have been killing these children, and his mother, in an effort to protect them? Obviously we will never really know this, but that's my thought.
2012-12-17 07:13:59 PM  
1 votes:

Amos Quito: "According to the New York Magazine, some friends and members of the Lanza family have allegedly portrayed Nancy Lanza as part of the "Doomsday Prepper movement," a fringe section of American civil society who live in obsessed fear of collapse of civil society, based on conspiracy theories such as UN takeover of US, an Obama inspired conspiracy to impose dictatorship on Americans, and the Obama government "coming to take away our guns." "

Well, they will be now.

/Self-fulfilling prophecy


While the right really is trying to impose a religious dictatorship on America while crying "Smaller government!". Can these people project any harder? If they put this amount of energy into positive things, we'd be living in a utpoia by now.
2012-12-17 04:58:17 PM  
1 votes:
I know this many posts into a thread, people have stopped reading and are just posting up to the point of the last post they've read. It's at this point you can pretty much slip anything into the topic, somewhat akin to a rider on a bill.
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So I'm just going to leave this here.
2012-12-17 03:42:26 PM  
1 votes:

H31N0US: dittybopper: bulldg4life: She did a shiat job of securing her weapons, then.

How do we know? For all we know, she stored the guns in a safe, and the son stole the key while she was sleeping.

Even so, a shiat job securing her weapons.


Actually odds are if she was what I read she was, there is NO WAY folks like that would've kept them locked up and keyed while sleeping. These weapons are acquired for home defense and survivalist type intentions NOT hunting or recreational sports!

These type of individuals would most definitely have their firearms loaded and within reach at any given time.
2012-12-17 03:34:39 PM  
1 votes:

Graffito: It's also missing the fundamental fact that mental health professionals have a spotty, questionable record in dealing with mental health. We all want to believe that we can hand our troubled members of society over to some professional to fix them, but that is wishful thinking at best.


QFT. I've known a number of mental health professionals. Some of them are quite good, and counseling and therapy can be a lifesaver for some people. And some of them suck. They are the sort of authority figures, like medical doctors, where the average person just trusts them to "fix" whatever's wrong, and get it right. And they often don't get it right. Sometimes because they're not that good, and sometimes just because the human mind is a weird thing, and isn't predictable.

In addition, therapists, even very good ones, are not miracle workers. They can't treat someone who doesn't want help, who believes that there's nothing wrong with them. And the sort of crazies who shoot up public places are usually those types of people. What are we supposed to do--lock them up by force and drug them? for how long? Just put them in a warehouse for life?

When my psycho ex was going to shoot me and our son, he had two very good PhDs monitoring him--because they knew he was like that. They warned me---to move out of town. There really wasn't anything else they could do, and to one guy's credit, he really tried. But if you're dealing with an angry, seriously nutty individual, the last thing you do is tell them that they're a nutcase and should be institutionalized. it's a good way to get shot too.
2012-12-17 03:20:11 PM  
1 votes:
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2012-12-17 03:19:19 PM  
1 votes:

NightOwl2255: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Agree with him or not, he's explaining his position in a clear and rational way.

Really? He's explained that the sole purpose of a gun is to kill in a clear and rational way?


When you stop and think about it; it pretty much is the sole purpose of a gun.

Some people may use them for recreational purposes, but at the end of the day, they are primarily a weapon that's designed to kill its target.
2012-12-17 03:15:45 PM  
1 votes:
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Oh good idea, let's spend billions (maybe even trillions?) arming and training teachers perpetually. Oh but you also want massive budget cuts because ... socialism?

Seriously, there's no talking to some of these people. They just can't hold more than 1 thought in their head at once.
2012-12-17 03:12:10 PM  
1 votes:

Phineas: Wolf_blitzer

Just callin 'em as I sees 'em. This thread (and the article) contain mostly liberals who confuse the tools used to perpetrate the crime with the mental condition of the people who perpetrate them. This kid could've just as easily driven a truck through the side of the building and crushed a classroom. In fact, that would've been easier. But yeah, its easier to blame guns.

I figured you liberals would enjoy knowing how I see you, as hand-wringing hens that flock together and come to irrational conclusions based on the facts at hand. And if there's something you can't quite grasp, you check with other liberals to find out what it is you should be thinking.


Sure he could have used a truck, but he didn't. He used guns. The guy at the Batman movie could have used a tuck too, but what did he use...oh yeah, guns.

As a matter of fact, just how many cases have there been of the willful use of a vehicle for spree killing? I'll wait.

Now that you've come up with a no doubt copious list, I'll come up with a list of spree killings that use guns, who's list will be longer?

I'm a liberal, but I don't want to take anybody's guns. But the idea that guns somehow make us safer is just plain derpy.
2012-12-17 03:10:54 PM  
1 votes:

probesport: JRoo: probesport: "Mrs Lanza, 52, was a 'prepper' - so called because they are preparing for a breakdown in civilized society - who apparently became obsessed with guns and taught Adam and his older brother, Ryan, how to shoot, even taking them to local ranges."

Oh my what a horrible, horrible person. She even took them to shooting ranges? Why not puppy farms with bounce houses?

Why not puppy farms with bounce houses?

Maybe he would rather have gone there but she wouldn't take him and made him learn how to be an efficient killer instead.

I think most people are pretty crazy until they reach about their upper twenties.

Crazy raises crazy, I was in my career and just bought a house at 20 with little to no crazy. Teaching kids how to plink paper targets does not make them efficient killers anymore than teaching someone how to cut a steak makes them a coroner.


I love how all the gun nuts keep using the term plink. Is that the sound of a .223 round tearing a hole in the skull of a 6-year-old child?
2012-12-17 03:08:35 PM  
1 votes:

pedrop357: Rent Party: I know you keep yours under your pillow, which means you are exactly the kind of irresponsible gun owner that gives the rest of us a bad name.

I know people who do that. Enlighten us to why that's a bad thing.


Because your kids can come in and get it, and shoot their little sister. Because under your pillow is not positive control of the weapon. Because it leads to exactly the same kind of unauthorized access to the weapon that I am talking about.
2012-12-17 03:05:11 PM  
1 votes:

Vectron: Before you lock up all the preppers in your Fema camps, I hope you will give some thought to first locking up black males.

If you are really upset about gun violence and want to do something about it take a look at black majority communities.


What a thoughtfull and totally non-racist comment. Get back to me when all those street thugs that haunt your dreams engage in mass shootings of innocents. Shootings are high in those communities because they tend to t be the economically poorest and usually the worst-policed which makes them the place where the highly lucrative drug trade takes place. . An illegal activity worth that much money virtually gurantees violence, as it has since the days of prohibition. But ost of those that get got were "in the game" themselves, not 5-year old school children. That's pretty exclusively the domain of white males (and one very disturbed girl Bob Geldoff wrote a song about)
2012-12-17 02:52:47 PM  
1 votes:

El_Frijole_Blanco: So a Teabagger then


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My god what you circle jerk idiots know about the Tea Party and what it stands for is absolutely ZERO. Do you ever stop to read anything or do you just watch Bill Maher and Michael Moore for your news?

duuu duuu tea bagger duu duuu fox news duuu duuu glenn beck....
2012-12-17 02:49:04 PM  
1 votes:

mayIFark: When people gets killed by cars, its an accident, unless you drive your car toward someone on the purpose of killing them. How often does that happen? You can only compare that with when you try to shoot a deer and end up shooting your buddy. It does happen, but no one is talking about that.


That makes it better?

Guns are allegedly only for killing, are possessed in the hundreds of millions by tens of millions of people, of whom several million carry a gun EVERYDAY without using it to harm a single person. Some people may go to a range and have 3-10 people handle their firearm and shoot hundreds, maybe thousands of rounds through it. So, guns are used potentially thousands of times a day (does each trip to the range count, or is it each round expended) and there's less harm from that then driving a car, less children killed by guns then pools or buckets, etc.

Cars, which are designed to drive people around manage to kill more people by ACCIDENT then guns do on purpose. it's really too bad that cars aren't used as safely as guns.
2012-12-17 02:46:27 PM  
1 votes:

occamswrist: Rent Party: occamswrist: Rent Party: Sleeping Monkey: She gets the fail award of the year for believing that having assault weapons in her home would make her safe. Now that entire community is paying for her ignorance.

I've been having this argument with my family for a few months now, but the answer to this isn't legislation restricting access to guns, but legislation placing 100% responsibility for controlling that gun on the person that legally owns it, and making the penalties for not controlling it absolutely draconian.

If your kid gets your gun and robs the 7-11, you're doing 10 years mandatory minimum. If your kid gets your guns and shoots up an elementary school, you're doing life, no parole.

Gun control should start with gun owners, and positive control of the weapon needs to be the primary responsibility that comes along with it. If this lady knew she could be doing hard prison time if her guns got out of her control, she might have taken better care of them and kept them out of the hands of her nutter kid.

Guns belong on your person, or locked up tight. Not in your nightstand or under your bed.

What if someone steals your car and uses it to commit a crime?

If someone could use my car to murder 26 little kids, you might have a point.

But they can't, and you don't.

You don't like the question (not point) I asked because you might be afraid to answer it honestly.


The question itself is patently ridiculous, as are you. Answered honestly, cars are much more highly regulated than guns are. I have to have a license to operate one, that license has to be renewed on a regular basis, I have to have the vehicle itself registered with the state and that registration has to be renewed annually. In short, because a car can be a dangerous thing, they are much more highly regulated than a gun, which is an even more dangerous thing.

But that's kind of irrelevant. You asked a really farking dumb question. You don't like my answer because it exposes just exactly how dumb a question it is.


If someone has their property stolen and that property is used in a crime, do you recommend punishing the victim of the theft or is this whipping boy mentality just for stolen guns?


For things that can be used to kill lots of people. For example, if you had a bunch of explosives laying around and someone got hold of them and blew up a school bus, you would be accountable for that.

Oh wait, explosives storage is already federally regulated.... Damn.


and knives? Household chemicals? Cars?


See above. When someone can commit mass murder with a knife, give me a call.


Because guns can kill 26 then their owners should be responsible for aanything bad that happens with them?


Yes. It is * precisely* because guns have massive potential for death and destruction by even the simplest of minds that their owners need to be held to 100% responsibility for them.


A gun owner whose gun is stolen and used to commit a robbery deserve 10 years in prison but if a stolen car is used to kill a person then the owner bears no responsibility? Your argument needs to explain morally why the gun owner deserves jail time but the ca ...


Because the gun was used to rob the store, not the car. The gun was used to commit the threat, not the car. Because the gun was used to kill 26 people, not the car. That the gun was stolen means it wasn't properly secured. It means that the gun owner left it in some place where it could be stolen. It means it wasn't on his person or locked up tight.

I know you keep yours under your pillow, which means you are exactly the kind of irresponsible gun owner that gives the rest of us a bad name.
2012-12-17 02:42:57 PM  
1 votes:

mayIFark: Thunderpipes: hammettman: Coco LaFemme: Gee, who would have thought that being a paranoid survivalist stockpiling guns with a mentally disturbed child in the house would end up being a really stupid idea. I wish this woman wasn't dead because if her son hadn't shot her first, I'd be demanding her ass be put on trial for all 26 dead bodies her son racked up. She helped create the monster, she should have been made to pay for it.

THIS

And sadly, it's too soon or too sad to call her a dumbass because polite society says she should be pitied for dying horribly at the hands of her own child. No. fark her. And somebody on teevee no doubt put that B-52 loadfull of weapons grade derp in her pathetic brain. I'd love to know where she acquired that bs.

This is just plain stupid. Dems will just use this as mare ammo to chip away at rights. As terrible as this tragedy is, using it to erode the constitution is a slipper slope.

Cars kill far more people each year. Ban them too?

If you want to fix the problem, start being tough parents again. But liberals don't believe in that. Further left we go, the worse society gets.

False equivalency is, you know, false.

When people gets killed by cars, its an accident, unless you drive your car toward someone on the purpose of killing them. How often does that happen? You can only compare that with when you try to shoot a deer and end up shooting your buddy. It does happen, but no one is talking about that.


Plus, today cars are essential for most people in terms of getting to work, etc. Take cars away and you would have to radically redesign just about very community in the United States. Take automatic weapons away, and all that happens is that a bunch of mouth breathers get the sads.
2012-12-17 02:32:35 PM  
1 votes:

LabGrrl: Just for a fact check on statements up thread (emphasis mine) (cdc 2009 stats):

Motor vehicle traffic deaths

Number of deaths: 34,485
Deaths per 100,000 population: 11.2

All firearm deaths

Number of deaths: 31,347
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.2

By no means at all is that "far more deaths" from cars. Source. It is my understanding the 2012 stats are even tighter, and gun deaths are trending up and car deaths are trending down.



I, for one, like it when people draw the comparison between guns and cars.

All operating cars must be registered with the state. And you and I must be trained, certified and licensed to use one on the roadways, under strict penalty of law. And every few years, I need to have my certification renewed by the state. In addition, as a car owner, I am required to buy insurance to cover any damage incurred during its use.

We do all of these things and take these precautions because cars are inherently dangerous things, capable of instant death and destruction.

It's just common sense.
2012-12-17 02:32:31 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: dericwater: Being a survivalist is the most expensive and least efficient way to survive a major catastrophe.

I happen to disagree.

Most of what people would call "survivalism" isn't stocking up on X, Y, or Z, but gathering the skills and knowledge to deal with a crisis. For example, describe to me 3 ways to make water potable in an emergency situation. What common food items found in every kitchen can be used for heat, light, and cooking? There is likely a good source of emergency electricity on your property, do you know how to exploit that?

Now, doomsday preppers are one thing, but being prepared for relatively common, but extended disasters isn't a bad thing. And yeah, having some extra canned goods, etc., around doesn't hurt, of course.


Bingo. That's the thing that makes me laugh about so many "doomsday preppers" If you really believe civilization is about to be over you are far better buying a handloading rig and learning how to use it than you are stockpiling ammo, or better yet learn a good recipe for gunpowder, locate a reliable source of sulfur, learn how to extract saltpeter from batshiat, and get a lead mold and a a muzzle loader with a rifled barrel. You'd also better know where some good drinking water is and a working knowledge of what crops will grow in your area and how to get the tasty edible parts out of your local fuana wihout giving yourself e. Coli posioning. And IF you know all that, you might could scratch out a starveling's existence after everything goes south, as long as you are resigned to losing half of everyone you love to diseases that vaccination eradicted decades ago and illnesses you used to be able to make go away with $1 worth of penicillin.

Far beter to put all that energy into keeping civilization from collapsing in the first place it seems to me
2012-12-17 02:31:54 PM  
1 votes:

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Wolf_Blitzer:

...my actual choice is a trained police force, democratically answerable to me and my fellow citizens

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The homicide by firearms rate in the U.S. is 2.67 per 100,000 people. In the U.K., its 0.07. Gun control: it works, biatches.
2012-12-17 02:25:06 PM  
1 votes:
Hopefully all this stupid dies down after the 21st. I think that's the last big "doomsday" prediction. People were talking about that while prepping for Y2K. After that, maybe, the history channel and others will stop scaring the crap out of unstable people for a few extra viewers. If the world ends (which it won't), it will probably be from ww3 or something anyways, which won't exactly sneak up on us, like the armageddon snake-oils salesman seem to insist the end of the world will do.
2012-12-17 02:18:37 PM  
1 votes:

GCD: Keeping your mouth shut about your stash of supplies will also help keep people from coming from your stockpile.


There was a movie awhile back, The Trigger Effect. It's about how fast society would fall apart in the face of a crisis, in this case a black out. Yes, it's a movie. But, I tend to believe that my law-abiding neighbor is about two weeks of watching his kids starve away from being a stone-cold killer.
2012-12-17 02:18:21 PM  
1 votes:
ok, i am from Canada, so granted my view on guns and prepping is different than the majority of the States. We just do it, not have a fetish for it....
My husband and i have 4 guns - a 22, a larger caliber rifle, and two shotguns. they are locked in a gun safe, with a separate ammo safe for storage.
we store food, first aid supplies, and water... enough for a few months i guess, never really figured it out.. but the mean temperature at my place for 6 months is - 15 celcius.. (just about 10 hours south of the Arctic circle here) so it makes sense to have a bunch of extra stuff, and lots of firewood.

i also have a step-son that has been diagnosed with personality disorder, who is difficult to fathom as he is fairly uncommunicative, has extremely low empathy levels, and a severely inappropriate sense of humour... his nickname while working on the rigs was "Columbine"

this weekend we went out and bought 4 new trigger and or cable lock devices. We didn't tell him, and won't be keeping the keys in any known area in the house.. just in case...
2012-12-17 02:15:29 PM  
1 votes:
What is the color of "unsurprised"? Because that's what you can color me.

I knew most of these doomsday survivalists were dangerous idiots for some reason.

And no, I'm not talking about people who keep a dozen gallons of water and some soup and granola bars on hand for when the power goes out.
2012-12-17 02:14:13 PM  
1 votes:

GCD: JunkyJu: Preppers are smart people.
Everyone should have 2-4 weeks of supplies.
Natural disasters happen.

Everyone hopes no doomsday scenario happens in your lifetime, but to bury your head in the sand and act like it's an impossibility is just plain stupid.

I agree with you - natural disasters DO happen and will probably get worse before they get better...but why would I need an AR-15 rifle? Will shooting at the natural disaster somehow stop it?

Your average, run-of-the-mill "prepper" is smart. Take the Canadian Preppers Network for instance. They have a pretty normal list of things that the average person should do to prepare for a long period without power/adequate food sources/etc.

You'll notice that stockpiling weapons, gun, ammo isn't among their lists though.


Don't know if it's still the case, but back when I was flying a light plane through Canada up into Alaska, we were REQUIRED to bring a rifle, ammo, survival gear, and x days for food per person on board.

As others have said, there's common sense prepping, and then there's over-the-top crazy.
2012-12-17 02:13:26 PM  
1 votes:

internut scholar: Wolf_Blitzer: That is my only point: the sole purpose of a firearm is to inflict death. People who advocate walking around with one strapped to your hip should be judged accordingly

Like the police?


What tool would you prefer if you had the unfortunate chance that someone was intent on taking your life?


Policemen are trained in the use of their firearms, and even at that your average beat cop can barely be trusted to hit a cow at ten paces with his service weapon. If you're not at the range 3-4 times a month with it, a handgun is likely to cause more problems than it solves.

Statistically, you or I are far more likely to run into someone having a heart attack than trying to kill us. Do you carry a portable defibrillator?
2012-12-17 02:13:18 PM  
1 votes:

Spare Me: Colour_out_of_Space: [img836.imageshack.us image 305x660]

The citizen population IS the militia, dork. And it IS well regulated.


Actually no, the US and and states define who the militia is they have done so twice. So they can easily define who they are again and restrict guns.
GCD
2012-12-17 02:04:32 PM  
1 votes:

manitobamadman: GCD: JunkyJu: Preppers are smart people.
Everyone should have 2-4 weeks of supplies.
Natural disasters happen.

Everyone hopes no doomsday scenario happens in your lifetime, but to bury your head in the sand and act like it's an impossibility is just plain stupid.

I agree with you - natural disasters DO happen and will probably get worse before they get better...but why would I need an AR-15 rifle? Will shooting at the natural disaster somehow stop it?

Your average, run-of-the-mill "prepper" is smart. Take the Canadian Preppers Network for instance. They have a pretty normal list of things that the average person should do to prepare for a long period without power/adequate food sources/etc.

You'll notice that stockpiling weapons, gun, ammo isn't among their lists though.

Because its a Canadian list.


American Preppers Network
2012-12-17 02:03:18 PM  
1 votes:

LabGrrl: Just for a fact check on statements up thread (emphasis mine) (cdc 2009 stats):

Motor vehicle traffic deaths

Number of deaths: 34,485
Deaths per 100,000 population: 11.2

All firearm deaths

Number of deaths: 31,347
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.2

By no means at all is that "far more deaths" from cars. Source. It is my understanding the 2012 stats are even tighter, and gun deaths are trending up and car deaths are trending down.


What were car deaths before seatbelt and airbag laws and how many more people own cars now?
2012-12-17 02:02:10 PM  
1 votes:

GCD: JunkyJu: Preppers are smart people.
Everyone should have 2-4 weeks of supplies.
Natural disasters happen.

Everyone hopes no doomsday scenario happens in your lifetime, but to bury your head in the sand and act like it's an impossibility is just plain stupid.

I agree with you - natural disasters DO happen and will probably get worse before they get better...but why would I need an AR-15 rifle? Will shooting at the natural disaster somehow stop it?

Your average, run-of-the-mill "prepper" is smart. Take the Canadian Preppers Network for instance. They have a pretty normal list of things that the average person should do to prepare for a long period without power/adequate food sources/etc.

You'll notice that stockpiling weapons, gun, ammo isn't among their lists though.


Because its a Canadian list.
2012-12-17 02:00:58 PM  
1 votes:

Girion47: spidermilk: BizarreMan: To those people calling his mother out on not having a gun safe. There is nothing to say she didn't have one. She may have had trigger locks on them. But a 20 year old who lives in the house with her, who has gone to the gun range with her, will most likely know the combination to the safe and where the trigger lock key is.

That is exactly what I am thinking. Not to say she did no wrong. If the thought "My son is becoming unstable and I'm worried about him." crossed her mind she should have packed up her guns and taken them somehere safe. IDK with a trusted friend in their safe, maybe sell them>

Really? her mind would jump to that conclusion? A gun is a tool, that if used responsibly is safe to be around. She taught him how to use and respect firearms. You're also assuming she didn't have them locked up, what if she did? Do you really think a 20 year old can't figure out how to access something? Look at all the "hacktivists" anon has. The internet makes it a lot easier to figure out how to crack a safe, or maybe he found her key hiding place, she was asleep, maybe he pulled the key from her purse. Should she have locked the key in another safe, and then locked that key elsewhere as well?


The thing is, her son was nuts. She knew he was nuts. Because of this, she should have secured the weapons in a fashion to prevent his ability to access them.

If gun safes can be cracked by a crazy 20-year-old, then she should have removed either the guns or the 20-year-old from her house.
2012-12-17 02:00:53 PM  
1 votes:

The Larch: NRA reaction before: This tragedy happened because none of the victims owned a gun. If even one victim had been prepared, it would have saved a lot of lives.

NRA reaction now: ...


Think they found her on their membership rolls?

A contributor on msnbc(Randel?) this morning said with past incidents the focus has been on what was wrong with the shooter and this time it seems we're focusing on what is wrong with us.

I doubt the answer is "We don't have enough guns."
2012-12-17 01:57:26 PM  
1 votes:

Forbidden Doughnut: WizardofToast: I think 'end of the world' scenarios have really warped the brains of some people in society. And all this doomsday crap is driving people to do crazy things. I wouldn't be surprised if some people snap on December 21 thinking the world is ending when really it farking isn't. Everyone seems to think the world ends on Friday but has no farking clue how it will.

Since I live in a fairly Red and derpy part of my State (Oregon), it might be a good idea to stay inside...


I was just wondering yesterday whether these kinds of doomsday fatalistic beliefs contribute to people who snap going for broke and killing more than themselves. People who actually believe in the Mayan calendar stupidity, people who wish for the Rapture, and people who hope that society collapses so they get to live their ideal fantasy of living out of their underground bunker all arguably have something seriously wrong with their outlook. Or to be more broad, could the overwhelming infusion of negative news we hear about all the time be self reinforcing?
GCD
2012-12-17 01:57:12 PM  
1 votes:

JunkyJu: Preppers are smart people.
Everyone should have 2-4 weeks of supplies.
Natural disasters happen.

Everyone hopes no doomsday scenario happens in your lifetime, but to bury your head in the sand and act like it's an impossibility is just plain stupid.


I agree with you - natural disasters DO happen and will probably get worse before they get better...but why would I need an AR-15 rifle? Will shooting at the natural disaster somehow stop it?

Your average, run-of-the-mill "prepper" is smart. Take the Canadian Preppers Network for instance. They have a pretty normal list of things that the average person should do to prepare for a long period without power/adequate food sources/etc.

You'll notice that stockpiling weapons, gun, ammo isn't among their lists though.
2012-12-17 01:54:12 PM  
1 votes:

Colour_out_of_Space: [img836.imageshack.us image 305x660]


The citizen population IS the militia, dork. And it IS well regulated.
2012-12-17 01:53:41 PM  
1 votes:

Tuesdae: whyRpeoplesostupid: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.


Agreed

I can't agree with that. I mean -- come on! It should be clear that zombies are no more real than, say, jackalopes!


First off, don't scare me with stories of the jackalopes.

The point I was trying to make is that I wonder what the trigger (no pun intended) for all of the recent shootings.
It ain't guns - we have had them for a long time.
It ain't loose gun control - seems that there has been an increase in gun legislation.

So what is it?
People talk about mental health, and I agree with that as an issue.

But what is it that puts a sick person over the edge? Fear of End of Days (not a bad Arnold movie), or of Zombies? (someone had a great link about how Zombies are actually increasing gun sales), Or of Mayan Apocalypse?

People claim that an organization like the NRA is partly responsible even though they are promoting gun safety, training, etc. but somehow other things that have contributed to our culture of violence - the media, gets a complete pass.
2012-12-17 01:50:50 PM  
1 votes:
dk47: TheOther: Preppers are just stockpiling food, ammo and women for me to come along and take from them.

The other thing that's funny is the anti-social people believing they'll survive. Humans will survive like they always have: banding together in groups to further their common interest. Solo preppers will be screwed.


On 'How It's Made', I saw about the fiendishness of razor wire and how impenetrable it was...unless you have a couple of sheets of heavy plywood to bridge it.

I'm joining a roving band of post-apocalyptic raiders for sure!
2012-12-17 01:50:08 PM  
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: thornhill: There have been a number recent militia plots to kill law enforcement officers and Sovereign Citizens have killed a number of police officers recently. It just doesn't get any national media attention because it happens in flyover country. The plotters typically get caught because they don't know the first rule about fight club. Check this out. What's unusually about the Newtown shooting was that schools kids were targeted instead of a representative of the Federal Government.

Those are more crazy people trying to cause the collapse of civilization. I'm talking about the kids of the crazy people, their families, and the crazy people themselves to a degree. If you spend years telling your 15 year old that the world is going to end and they won't live long enough to become an adult, how many are going to decide just to end it all like this douche bag did? I mean, why not? The world is going to end, not like they have anything to live for.


Read this:

Deadly Arkansas Shooting By 'Sovereigns' Jerry and Joe Kane Who Shun U.S. Law
July 1, 2010


Video released by West Memphis authorities shows the graphic detail. As the officers questioned Jerry Kane, his son Joe suddenly leaped out of the minivan and opened fire on the officers with an AK-47 assault rifle
2012-12-17 01:50:08 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: For example, describe to me 3 ways to make water potable in an emergency situation. What common food items found in every kitchen can be used for heat, light, and cooking? There is likely a good source of emergency electricity on your property, do you know how to exploit that?


Off the top of my head... boil it, expose it to light (30 minutes in a PET bottle--i.e. a 2L soda bottle--in direct sunlight will do; 45 to be safe); and ... come on, I've got to have another one in my head. Chemically you could add iodine, then precipitate the iodine out, but that's too complex. NOTHING helps contaminated water except reverse-osmosis--MAYBE--so we're just clearing bacteria here. Yeah I only got 2.

Common food items found in every kitchen for heat, light, and cooking? Uh. Good question. Most plants burn. Salt, iron, magnesium, and water will do it but I can't think of a way to pull that off with food. Aluminum mixed with iron oxide and ignited will go up pretty hot. Somehow I doubt your answer is going to contain anything in my kitchen--except salt, I bet salt is part of it.

I don't have a good source of emergency electricity. I can make bad sources of electricity by cranking the motor on the washing machine or dryer, though I've considered getting rid of those (I didn't use either for like 3 years).
2012-12-17 01:49:30 PM  
1 votes:

bluefoxicy: My back door has about 30 or 40 impact marks on it where a battering ram was taken to it in an attempt to force entry.


What the hell is your door frame made from?
2012-12-17 01:45:43 PM  
1 votes:

Launch Code: [i1253.photobucket.com image 201x251]
It takes a human to commit the act. Do you blame the alcohol or the car for a drunk driving death? Of course the super libtard will reflect on soldiers using guns in battle. Are you then calling the people that defend us murderers?
Wake up leftys, evil people do evil things! Don't blame the tool for the destruction.



lmao, yeah but give me one example of a mall/theater/school massacre with a hammer or a rolling pin

evil, violent, careless people exist everywhere.. but firearms undeniably enable them to do much worse to much more than any other tool

/facepalm
2012-12-17 01:44:33 PM  
1 votes:

BizarreMan: To those people calling his mother out on not having a gun safe. There is nothing to say she didn't have one. She may have had trigger locks on them. But a 20 year old who lives in the house with her, who has gone to the gun range with her, will most likely know the combination to the safe and where the trigger lock key is.


That is exactly what I am thinking. Not to say she did no wrong. If the thought "My son is becoming unstable and I'm worried about him." crossed her mind she should have packed up her guns and taken them somehere safe. IDK with a trusted friend in their safe, maybe sell them>
2012-12-17 01:43:52 PM  
1 votes:
All it takes is a single irresponsible, gun-fetishist hoarder to cause an unimaginable tragedy.

There are millions of irresponsible gun owners in the USA.

Is there any reason she couldn't have kept these weapons in a secure location inaccessible to Adam? Or even offsite at a shooting club or something like they do in Europe?

A week before the massacre, one of her beer buddies at the pizza place said she was talking about her son "slipping away" and "unreachable" and burning himself with a lighter. She knew he was spiraling... great idea mom to have an AR-15 and hundreds of rounds available to a psychotic sociopathic Assburger.
2012-12-17 01:43:41 PM  
1 votes:

NightOwl2255: As she laid there in bed with her son pointing a rifle at her, I wonder what the last thing that went through her mind was.


a couple of rounds of .223?
2012-12-17 01:40:29 PM  
1 votes:

Jument: tenpoundsofcheese: Diogenes: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.

hey, I like those stories!

Yes, let's eliminate the First Amendment to protect the Second.

I didn't say that the government should step in an stop it.

The press and hollywood could have a bit of restraint and not put out those stories or those types of shows.

It's fiction. When people start reacting badly IRL to fiction, the problem is not with the creators of the fiction. Hint: crazy people are crazy.


Sure enough, crazy people are crazy. A good tautology is never wrong.

On the other hand, the whole "art imitates life vs life imitates art" debate around whether violence on film and TV and in video games is reflective or constitutive of our violent culture is reductionist. Popular culture - like movies, music, TV, video games, sports - helps to reproduce and reshape our culture. The images of armed heroes (and antiheroes, and even villains) prevalent in so much of our popular culture can not be isolated from the widespread belief in our society that sometimes violence is good and just, and it's often a good bit of fun. These images reproduce and strengthen those sentiments. They make it easier for us to accept IRL that violence is all around us, inevitable, and sometimes fun. Sure, these folks took it to extremes, but it's a continuum, not a binary. And the line between crazy and not-crazy, especially when it comes to glorifying guns and violence is anything but clear.
2012-12-17 01:40:07 PM  
1 votes:
If I've learned one thing from gaming, it's that even those who are completely unprepared can eventually go on to win, if they have a good head on their shoulders.

th09.deviantart.net

Of course, that's why most survivalists are survivalists.
2012-12-17 01:37:46 PM  
1 votes:

TheOther: Preppers are just stockpiling food, ammo and women for me to come along and take from them.


The other thing that's funny is the anti-social people believing they'll survive. Humans will survive like they always have: banding together in groups to further their common interest. Solo preppers will be screwed.
2012-12-17 01:37:20 PM  
1 votes:

This text is now purple: homelessdude: Yeah, cause you know, when society breaks down, the first things the Godless Sodomite Philistines will come for are the homes valued around $600k and up
In Connecticut, used cardboard boxes in the middle of the street start in the low $700ks.


No, don't even. this isn't "property values." They were well off.

i.dailymail.co.uk
2012-12-17 01:37:19 PM  
1 votes:

Rent Party: Sleeping Monkey: She gets the fail award of the year for believing that having assault weapons in her home would make her safe. Now that entire community is paying for her ignorance.

I've been having this argument with my family for a few months now, but the answer to this isn't legislation restricting access to guns, but legislation placing 100% responsibility for controlling that gun on the person that legally owns it, and making the penalties for not controlling it absolutely draconian.

If your kid gets your gun and robs the 7-11, you're doing 10 years mandatory minimum. If your kid gets your guns and shoots up an elementary school, you're doing life, no parole.

Gun control should start with gun owners, and positive control of the weapon needs to be the primary responsibility that comes along with it. If this lady knew she could be doing hard prison time if her guns got out of her control, she might have taken better care of them and kept them out of the hands of her nutter kid.

Guns belong on your person, or locked up tight. Not in your nightstand or under your bed.


What if someone steals your car and uses it to commit a crime?
2012-12-17 01:36:34 PM  
1 votes:

dopekitty74: Snarfangel: minoridiot: Since she divorced Peter, Nancy has had no need to work because she receives $200,000 in support from Peter Lanza.

We either need to ban rich people, the unemployed, or single mothers. I'm trying to decide which.

In the immortal words of Aerosmith: Eat the Rich!


"Steven Tallarico, known around the world as rock singer and musician Steven Tyler, has a net worth estimated at $130 million"

From celebritynetworth.com 

I guess they would prefer you eat the other rich people.
2012-12-17 01:30:35 PM  
1 votes:
What? No who vs whom grammar slap to subby? What is this world coming to!?!
2012-12-17 01:29:28 PM  
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: hammettman: Coco LaFemme: Gee, who would have thought that being a paranoid survivalist stockpiling guns with a mentally disturbed child in the house would end up being a really stupid idea. I wish this woman wasn't dead because if her son hadn't shot her first, I'd be demanding her ass be put on trial for all 26 dead bodies her son racked up. She helped create the monster, she should have been made to pay for it.

THIS

And sadly, it's too soon or too sad to call her a dumbass because polite society says she should be pitied for dying horribly at the hands of her own child. No. fark her. And somebody on teevee no doubt put that B-52 loadfull of weapons grade derp in her pathetic brain. I'd love to know where she acquired that bs.

This is just plain stupid. Dems will just use this as mare ammo to chip away at rights. As terrible as this tragedy is, using it to erode the constitution is a slipper slope.

Cars kill far more people each year. Ban them too?

If you want to fix the problem, start being tough parents again. But liberals don't believe in that. Further left we go, the worse society gets.


At first glance, I'd laugh and say that you're trolling, and rather badly at that. But after reviewing your grammar and the stupidly of your argument, I'd have to guess that you're just an average, perhaps a bit farther on the right, Republican with a very loose grasp of reality.
2012-12-17 01:28:50 PM  
1 votes:

bluefoxicy: Wolf_Blitzer: Do you honestly, sincerely believe that your area is full of people waiting to bust down your door, steal everything you own and rape you, the second they find out there's no guns in your home?

My back door has about 30 or 40 impact marks on it where a battering ram was taken to it in an attempt to force entry.

My home defense system consists of a 2x4. Everyone in my area has steel bars permanently mounted to the windows around the basement and first floor.


Thats great. Do you keep a defibrillator in your house? Because statistically, thats far more likely to be used to save your or a family member's life than a gun.
2012-12-17 01:28:37 PM  
1 votes:
NRA reaction before: This tragedy happened because none of the victims owned a gun. If even one victim had been prepared, it would have saved a lot of lives.

NRA reaction now: ...
2012-12-17 01:27:57 PM  
1 votes:

bluefoxicy: My home defense system consists of a 2x4.


Mine is a Pakistani 'hunting sword'. The houses here are too close together for anything with range.
2012-12-17 01:27:50 PM  
1 votes:

Crewmannumber6: HotWingConspiracy: Crewmannumber6: HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.

I have 2 guns, a shotgun and a rifle, both of which I iniherited from my father. They've been locked in a safe for 30 years, until a month ago when there was an escaped prisoner loose in our neighborhood. I got out the shotgun, loaded it with the chamber empty, and kept it with me until we got the all clear, at which time I unloaded it and locked it back in the safe. untilk that night, my kids didn't know that I had any guns.

You Sir, are an idiot.

Hopefully one day you don't decide to off your wife and kids and shoot up your workplace. Because you might, at any point for any reason.

Basically I'll reserve judgement on your level of responsibility until after you die. Then we can look at totals.

Glad to see you're keeping an open mind


That's a problem with putting someone on ignore - when some responds to their comment - you are reminded again why you put that douche bag on ignore in the first place.
2012-12-17 01:27:37 PM  
1 votes:
Utter fail, Fark.

Subby should be school massacred for his idiotic use of "whom" and the rest of you should feel really bad about not making him feel really bad about it.
2012-12-17 01:27:26 PM  
1 votes:
I did kind of wonder why a schoolteacher had a Bushmaster, a .40 Glock and a Sig. Those are very pricey, specialty weapons, not the sort of thing you own unless you are pretty serious about guns.
2012-12-17 01:27:08 PM  
1 votes:
I see a lot of painters in this thread painting with really broad brushes.
2012-12-17 01:26:27 PM  
1 votes:
So let me get this straight...the woman was stockpiling guns as a result of an Obama-inspired conspiracy to impose dictatorship on Americans, and the Obama government "coming to take away our guns", which resulted in her son using those weapons on a killing spree, which may prompt the Obama administration to pass more strict gun-control laws.

Full circle?
2012-12-17 01:25:54 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: My point is that just because her 20 year old son, who lived in the house, figured out how to get the guns, that doesn't necessarily mean they weren't properly secured.


There are not entirely verified reports that she took him to the gun range with her. I'm still waiting for all the facts to sort out, but I would not entirely be surprised if she never expected her pride and joy to turn on her. Being family can blind us to a lot of problems.
2012-12-17 01:24:30 PM  
1 votes:

Wolf_Blitzer: Do you honestly, sincerely believe that your area is full of people waiting to bust down your door, steal everything you own and rape you, the second they find out there's no guns in your home?


My back door has about 30 or 40 impact marks on it where a battering ram was taken to it in an attempt to force entry.

My home defense system consists of a 2x4. Everyone in my area has steel bars permanently mounted to the windows around the basement and first floor.
2012-12-17 01:23:38 PM  
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese:

The press and hollywood could have a bit of restraint and not put out those stories or those types of shows.


So tell me, what types of "stories" do you approve of? You're living proof that true believers are at best joyless douchebags
2012-12-17 01:23:07 PM  
1 votes:

Launch Code: [i1253.photobucket.com image 201x251]
It takes a human to commit the act. Do you blame the alcohol or the car for a drunk driving death? Of course the super libtard will reflect on soldiers using guns in battle. Are you then calling the people that defend us murderers?
Wake up leftys, evil people do evil things! Don't blame the tool for the destruction.


I keep seeing derp like this. Tell me - what is a firearm a "tool" for, other than the infliction of death or the threat of death?
2012-12-17 01:21:05 PM  
1 votes:
Ceiling Cat needs to stop watching people masturbate and start smiting massacrer'ers before they massacre.
2012-12-17 01:19:52 PM  
1 votes:
causes-prod.caudn.com
2012-12-17 01:19:47 PM  
1 votes:

meatsack_01: utahraptor2: If a teacher would have been armed, he wouldn't have gotten very far.
This


That's the solution, for sure--have every person in the public eye be heavily armed. Is it fun going around thinking that the best way to run our society is by acting like we're in a constant state of civil war? Maybe if you live in fantasy-land, which I"m convinced a lot of you guys do.
2012-12-17 01:18:48 PM  
1 votes:

Heathen: so having a couple hundred rounds of ammo in your house makes you a prepper?

I was a prepper and didn't even know it.


If that's the case, I'm an international small dealer.

\I get a call from Midsouth every time I order.... "Hey Fapp, did you actually order 40,000 pistol primers or did your cat step on the zero key?"
2012-12-17 01:18:44 PM  
1 votes:

thornhill: Satanic_Hamster: Coco LaFemme: Gee, who would have thought that being a paranoid survivalist stockpiling guns with a mentally disturbed child in the house would end up being a really stupid idea. I wish this woman wasn't dead because if her son hadn't shot her first, I'd be demanding her ass be put on trial for all 26 dead bodies her son racked up. She helped create the monster, she should have been made to pay for it.

In a way this makes more sense and I'm surprised that we haven't seen this as the cause of more shootings; if fear over the world ending was the motive for this guys shootings, he wouldn't be the first person to go on a killing spree because of that.

Whatever the reason you think the world is going to end (the Rapture, earthquakes, aliens, nuclear war, Obama, Mexicans, etc), if you spend years telling your kids that there's no hope for them to have a normal life ever, eventually you'll have people snap. I mean, why not? They've been told for years by their authority figure (be it a parent or religious leader) that there's no hope.

There have been a number recent militia plots to kill law enforcement officers and Sovereign Citizens have killed a number of police officers recently. It just doesn't get any national media attention because it happens in flyover country. The plotters typically get caught because they don't know the first rule about fight club. Check this out. What's unusually about the Newtown shooting was that schools kids were targeted instead of a representative of the Federal Government.


Link is to my local area. No one here was ever afraid of this "militia", save one of it's own members and his girlfriend, who they offed, thus ruining their own plans.
2012-12-17 01:17:47 PM  
1 votes:
Preppers are just stockpiling food, ammo and women for me to come along and take from them.
2012-12-17 01:17:15 PM  
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.


I have 2 guns, a shotgun and a rifle, both of which I iniherited from my father. They've been locked in a safe for 30 years, until a month ago when there was an escaped prisoner loose in our neighborhood. I got out the shotgun, loaded it with the chamber empty, and kept it with me until we got the all clear, at which time I unloaded it and locked it back in the safe. untilk that night, my kids didn't know that I had any guns.

You Sir, are an idiot.
2012-12-17 01:17:02 PM  
1 votes:

meatsack_01: utahraptor2: If a teacher would have been armed, he wouldn't have gotten very far.

This



Came for derp.. Found it.. Leaving satisfied.
2012-12-17 01:16:09 PM  
1 votes:

bluefoxicy: HotWingConspiracy: We should start treating them like pit bulls, really. Maybe you've got a nice one, but keep it the fark away from me and my family.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 432x223]

What a pit bull might look like.


Oh look you found a mean dog that isn't a pit bull.
2012-12-17 01:15:52 PM  
1 votes:

Phineas: tolerant of everyone that beileves what you believe, that is.


Yeah, 'cause the Right is so well known for tolerance for others' beliefs.

www.rawstory.com

/go sit in the corner, dumbass.
2012-12-17 01:14:41 PM  
1 votes:

TIKIMAN87: El_Frijole_Blanco: So a Teabagger then

lol self reliance is something a liberal will never learn.


I was raised working the family cattle ranch (grazeland not that Midwest shiat) I also hunt. Spend a month in the saddle at the south end of the Mogollon rim and ask me about self reliance

Fark Independants® ... they think they know what self reliance is
2012-12-17 01:13:12 PM  
1 votes:

Wolf_Blitzer: Because People in power are Stupid: She could afford those guns but couldn't afford a gun safe.
Isn't it time that we paid our kindergarten teachers more?
She wasn't a teacher, she was living on alimony.


Oh well then--she deserved to die. She had more money than you, and she didn't earn it the way you think she should have. Glad we got that out of the way.
2012-12-17 01:12:55 PM  
1 votes:

KhamanV: HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.

I'll bite.

I'm in the shiat right now with my dad - he's a right wing nut who signed the secessionist bullshiat and watches Doomsday Preppers for tips. He owns a lot of guns and is a lifetime member of the NRA. I've been in a consistent, escalating fight with him for four years over the brown motherfarker in the white house, and you know what?


What...that he's not on medication? Didn't see that one coming.
2012-12-17 01:12:15 PM  
1 votes:

Vegan Meat Popsicle: But remember. Requiring people to have safety locks on their guns and report them when they're lost or stolen is a grievous assault on liberty.


Quite literally, you are correct: The Supreme Court has ruled that requiring that guns be inoperable is a violation of the Second Amendment. It's settled law.

As for reporting them lost or stolen, that's hard to do with your face shot off.
2012-12-17 01:11:32 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: bulldg4life: She did a shiat job of securing her weapons, then.

How do we know? For all we know, she stored the guns in a safe, and the son stole the key while she was sleeping.


Even so, a shiat job securing her weapons.
2012-12-17 01:10:53 PM  
1 votes:

hinten: How exactly owning a long list of devices that are primarily designed to kill makes you safer is anyone's guess.


Tactical ability to return fire or respond to detected intrusion with a first strike.

What makes the community safer is being able to collectively neutralize a threat. In other words: the community is unsafe when a random single person is able to systematically rape/mug/murder people; the individual is unsafe when such an attacker gains first strike (you can't draw a gun if you have a gun pointed in your face, you get shot; hell, it's easy to just grab someone's gun away from them when they reach for the hip, if you can grapple with them competently); but if the attacker shoots you and the people in hearing range have guns, several will take their guns out and come find the attacker--either apprehend or kill. You might be dead, but his next victim... will not be a thing.

Essentially it's the same idea as a police force, except we put guns in the hands of more people. We're supposed to psychologically evaluate people and put some restrictions on who can have a gun; just like with the police force, this often fails (it fails a LOT in some police forces, to the point that the only people who want to be cops are cliqy assholes that want to feel important). Ideally, we make it a statistics problem: the system should be self-regulating, such that there's enough benefit to diminish the negative consequences below what occurs otherwise.

That's the theory. Impact has to do with culture--criminal culture, peoples' willingness to fight back, saturation (if more than a few but still not enough people have guns, criminals just arms-race by becoming more violent), and so on.
2012-12-17 01:10:46 PM  
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: Coco LaFemme: Gee, who would have thought that being a paranoid survivalist stockpiling guns with a mentally disturbed child in the house would end up being a really stupid idea. I wish this woman wasn't dead because if her son hadn't shot her first, I'd be demanding her ass be put on trial for all 26 dead bodies her son racked up. She helped create the monster, she should have been made to pay for it.

In a way this makes more sense and I'm surprised that we haven't seen this as the cause of more shootings; if fear over the world ending was the motive for this guys shootings, he wouldn't be the first person to go on a killing spree because of that.

Whatever the reason you think the world is going to end (the Rapture, earthquakes, aliens, nuclear war, Obama, Mexicans, etc), if you spend years telling your kids that there's no hope for them to have a normal life ever, eventually you'll have people snap. I mean, why not? They've been told for years by their authority figure (be it a parent or religious leader) that there's no hope.


There have been a number recent militia plots to kill law enforcement officers and Sovereign Citizens have killed a number of police officers recently. It just doesn't get any national media attention because it happens in flyover country. The plotters typically get caught because they don't know the first rule about fight club. Check this out. What's unusually about the Newtown shooting was that schools kids were targeted instead of a representative of the Federal Government.
2012-12-17 01:10:08 PM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.

hey, I like those stories!

on a more serious note - not all preppers are crazy, but a lot of crazy people are preppers. given the situation after hurricane katrina or again after hurricane sandy...preparing for a long term disruption of power and food distribution systems is starting to look like plain common sense and not an indication of crazy loonie toons insanity.


sounds pretty horrible to me, i mean after society collapses you'll have crazy people murdering others for their food because they were too paranoid to think past a week worth of supplies

i mean the reality is paranoid people don't think right, they don't have the ability to actually plan ahead - hence why they stockpile so many weapons but all they end up doing is just going on killing sprees - they don't actually know what they're doing or why
2012-12-17 01:07:04 PM  
1 votes:
Guess she didnt prep for this. When I heard she didnt have a job and saw the house I figured she must be getting some serious alimony from the VP dad. You know its a farked up family when the older brother said he didnt have any contact with his brother for over 2 years. Me and my brother talk all the time and at least see each other once a month.
2012-12-17 01:06:23 PM  
1 votes:

Felgraf: WizardofToast: I think 'end of the world' scenarios have really warped the brains of some people in society. And all this doomsday crap is driving people to do crazy things. I wouldn't be surprised if some people snap on December 21 thinking the world is ending when really it farking isn't. Everyone seems to think the world ends on Friday but has no farking clue how it will.

On December 18th, a giant, angry face will appear on the moon.


Dawn of the 5th Day.
2012-12-17 01:06:03 PM  
1 votes:
Great, his mom was a farking right wing nutjob, thinking the government was after them, and they had to prepare for the coming decay of polite society. Stupid biatch. Everybody knows that it's ZOMBIES we have to be prepared for.
2012-12-17 01:05:27 PM  
1 votes:

BizarreMan: To those people calling his mother out on not having a gun safe. There is nothing to say she didn't have one. She may have had trigger locks on them. But a 20 year old who lives in the house with her, who has gone to the gun range with her, will most likely know the combination to the safe and where the trigger lock key is.


No, the issue is that the kid with known mental issues knew how to get around whatever gun security she had in place. By default the gun security is shiatty because he knew how to do this.
2012-12-17 01:05:07 PM  
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.


I'll bite.

I'm in the shiat right now with my dad - he's a right wing nut who signed the secessionist bullshiat and watches Doomsday Preppers for tips. He owns a lot of guns and is a lifetime member of the NRA. I've been in a consistent, escalating fight with him for four years over the brown motherfarker in the white house, and you know what?

I am not scared of his guns.

If there is one absolute thing I believe about the giant asshole my father's become, it's that he takes his ownership of his weapons with dead seriousness. He has a gun safe with a secured lock that is updated regularly; he maintains and secures his weapons at all times, and he takes himself to the range with a trainer to keep sharp and updated on safety. I don't agree 100% with his weaponry stance (I'm more a handguns/hunting type than LET ME OWN THAT SWEET-ASS-UZI) but I respect that he's taking care of his.

Of course if the day comes he tweaks and shoots up... well, a bunch of abandoned barns and maybe a few rednecks out by him, I'll be back to go "holy shiat, I did not see that coming" and you can call me an asshole. After I drink out my spleen.
2012-12-17 01:04:00 PM  
1 votes:

Mentat: I also heard that he was wearing a lot of pouches, which means we need to ban Rob Liefeld.


We should just ban that dude anyway
2012-12-17 01:02:46 PM  
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.


You're not helping
2012-12-17 01:01:39 PM  
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.


I'm sure there are people that legally purchase their weapons, know every rule about not showing off with it, treating it like a bullet is in the chamber and lock them away in a safe place where the kids can't find them if they even tried or come across it on accident.

Unfortunately, some people aren't responsible and that has led to unnecessary harm.
2012-12-17 01:01:28 PM  
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Their basement is probably packed with food and supplies.


That she thinks will last 20 years, but really is going to last one or two. My parents have so much oat, grain, and flour, and I'm thinking... I could bake a loaf a week and go through this in a year.
2012-12-17 01:01:07 PM  
1 votes:
impulse101.org

/oblig
2012-12-17 01:00:24 PM  
1 votes:

KungFuJunkie: Why do I get the feeling that the"preppers" will cause the breakdown of our society?


Self-fulfilling prophecy?
2012-12-17 12:59:29 PM  
1 votes:
Came to see if anyone else pointed out that they used the "Daily Fail" as a source for this article.

/Fark, I am dissapoint....
2012-12-17 12:55:47 PM  
1 votes:
she was also, apparently very kind and generous so, you say tomato..

Link
2012-12-17 12:55:10 PM  
1 votes:

coco ebert: Rich white people have lost their gotdamn minds!


You're just realizing that?.
2012-12-17 12:54:12 PM  
1 votes:

El_Frijole_Blanco: So a Teabagger then


lol self reliance is something a liberal will never learn.
2012-12-17 12:53:43 PM  
1 votes:
So M. Night Sha-na-na-na-myolin rama ding dong is now writing scripts for reality?

It's a twissst!
2012-12-17 12:37:34 PM  
1 votes:
She could afford those guns but couldn't afford a gun safe.

Isn't it time that we paid our kindergarten teachers more?
2012-12-17 11:54:12 AM  
1 votes:

jaylectricity: Wow, totally surprising. First rule of not starving is eating! You can get with that, right?


are you familiar with SlothB77?
2012-12-17 10:53:23 AM  
1 votes:
How exactly owning a long list of devices that are primarily designed to kill makes you safer is anyone's guess.
2012-12-17 10:43:26 AM  
1 votes:

Mentat: I also heard that he was wearing a lot of pouches, which means we need to ban Rob Liefeld.



I've been saying this for years.
2012-12-17 10:42:58 AM  
1 votes:

Raharu: Glenn Beck seen smiling and nodding slowly.


why? I thought he is promoting gun safes on his show.

would have been good if her guns were locked up.
2012-12-17 10:30:19 AM  
1 votes:

El_Frijole_Blanco: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.

hey, I like those stories!

on a more serious note - not all preppers are crazy, but a lot of crazy people are preppers. given the situation after hurricane katrina or again after hurricane sandy...preparing for a long term disruption of power and food distribution systems is starting to look like plain common sense and not an indication of crazy loonie toons insanity.

Sure but do you need Kevlar and an arsenal to withstand a bad Nor'easter


after some of the stories that came out after Katrina and NOLA....I'd want to make sure I could bunker down for a while too. cops shooting civilians, looting, no government in sight....i'm just saying that some level of personal protection isn't unreasonable. it depends on where you live tho, some neighborhoods are going to be better able to withstand long term disruptions than others.
2012-12-17 10:25:39 AM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.

hey, I like those stories!


Yes, let's eliminate the First Amendment to protect the Second.
2012-12-17 09:57:54 AM  
1 votes:
Survivalist? Oh please........

Yeah, cause you know, when society breaks down, the first things the Godless Sodomite Philistines will come for are the homes valued around $600k and up 

Connecticut shooter Adam Lanza and family members revealed
(examiner.com)
2012-12-17 09:12:21 AM  
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Police say that when his body was found, he carried a third semi-automatic pistol in his military-style cargo pants

Clearly, we need to ban military style cargo pants.
 
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