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2012-12-17 02:02:10 PM

GCD: JunkyJu: Preppers are smart people.
Everyone should have 2-4 weeks of supplies.
Natural disasters happen.

Everyone hopes no doomsday scenario happens in your lifetime, but to bury your head in the sand and act like it's an impossibility is just plain stupid.

I agree with you - natural disasters DO happen and will probably get worse before they get better...but why would I need an AR-15 rifle? Will shooting at the natural disaster somehow stop it?

Your average, run-of-the-mill "prepper" is smart. Take the Canadian Preppers Network for instance. They have a pretty normal list of things that the average person should do to prepare for a long period without power/adequate food sources/etc.

You'll notice that stockpiling weapons, gun, ammo isn't among their lists though.


Because its a Canadian list.
 
2012-12-17 02:02:12 PM

occamswrist: Rent Party: Sleeping Monkey: She gets the fail award of the year for believing that having assault weapons in her home would make her safe. Now that entire community is paying for her ignorance.

I've been having this argument with my family for a few months now, but the answer to this isn't legislation restricting access to guns, but legislation placing 100% responsibility for controlling that gun on the person that legally owns it, and making the penalties for not controlling it absolutely draconian.

If your kid gets your gun and robs the 7-11, you're doing 10 years mandatory minimum. If your kid gets your guns and shoots up an elementary school, you're doing life, no parole.

Gun control should start with gun owners, and positive control of the weapon needs to be the primary responsibility that comes along with it. If this lady knew she could be doing hard prison time if her guns got out of her control, she might have taken better care of them and kept them out of the hands of her nutter kid.

Guns belong on your person, or locked up tight. Not in your nightstand or under your bed.

What if someone steals your car and uses it to commit a crime?


If someone could use my car to murder 26 little kids, you might have a point.

But they can't, and you don't.
 
2012-12-17 02:02:21 PM

NightOwl2255: According to TMZ (yeah, yeah) she received $240K in spousal support in 2010 and it was set to increase every year. In 2012 she was to receive $289K. That's a lot of stocking up money.


Interesting.
People in a thread yesterday were arguing that under 0bamacare, these type of things would be prevented.

Seems she had more than enough money to get mental health care help for her son.
 
GCD
2012-12-17 02:02:22 PM

NightOwl2255: GCD: I agree with you - natural disasters DO happen and will probably get worse before they get better...but why would I need an AR-15 rifle? Will shooting at the natural disaster somehow stop it?

No, but it will stop the people that will come for your stockpile.


Keeping your mouth shut about your stash of supplies will also help keep people from coming from your stockpile.
 
2012-12-17 02:02:22 PM

Spare Me: Colour_out_of_Space: [img836.imageshack.us image 305x660]

The citizen population IS the militia, dork. And it IS well regulated.


Bullshiat. Words have meaning, ie:

mi·li·tia [mi-lish-uh]
noun
1. a body of citizens enrolled for military service, and called out periodically for drill but serving full time only in emergencies.
2. a body of citizen soldiers as distinguished from professional soldiers.
3. all able-bodied males considered by law eligible for military service.
4. a body of citizens organized in a paramilitary group and typically regarding themselves as defenders of individual rights against the presumed interference of the federal government.
 
2012-12-17 02:02:29 PM

Three-Fifty: Oh gawd. This is killing me and I haven't been able to check the whole thread to see if this has been brought up yet, but for the love of God:

LEARN TO USE THE WORD WHOM PROPERLY! Go back to 4th grade and review, submitter!!!! Whom is only used for the OBJECT of an action.

GRRRRR I don't know why this bugs me so much, but it does.

It doesn't bug me enough to make me want to become a paranoid survivalist though, so there's that.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-17 02:02:45 PM

Colour_out_of_Space: [img836.imageshack.us image 305x660]



i46.tinypic.com 

Well regulated, as is properly functioning i.e. a citizenry proficient in the use of arms.
 
2012-12-17 02:02:53 PM
bluefoxicy: TheOther: bluefoxicy: TheOther: Do you have a meth lab in your basement?

No, I have bags of thinset and 14 boxes of porcelain tile. And some tools.

'That tile is crooked.'
"If I try to straighten it, it will throw off the rest of the row and I'll have to start all over."
'I said we should pay a pro to do this.'
"Your brother isn't a pro at anything but twitching and stealing my beer."
'See, we should have built the meth lab instead.'

"..."

sigh... you lay out the room first, then decide what you need to cut, how it's going to lay out, etc. You put the tiles down, place the rubber spacers between them, measure it out that way. When you're done that, you mark where they go, pick a starting point. Then you take the tile up, chalk line your guides, and screw aluminum bars into the floor as hard guides. You lay your first set of tiles along these guides, and let the thinset set, then take the guides up. Then you continue from there, checking and re-checking your alignment and making small adjustments as you go.

It's not like I didn't spend five minutes figuring out how to do it right the first time. This time I need to build a wall and build out the subfloor first because I need less deflection for the heavy appliances and counter tops.


I failed first grade art. I couldn't 'lay out the room' correctly with lasers and Pythagoras checking my work. I envy your skill.
 
2012-12-17 02:03:18 PM

LabGrrl: Just for a fact check on statements up thread (emphasis mine) (cdc 2009 stats):

Motor vehicle traffic deaths

Number of deaths: 34,485
Deaths per 100,000 population: 11.2

All firearm deaths

Number of deaths: 31,347
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.2

By no means at all is that "far more deaths" from cars. Source. It is my understanding the 2012 stats are even tighter, and gun deaths are trending up and car deaths are trending down.


What were car deaths before seatbelt and airbag laws and how many more people own cars now?
 
2012-12-17 02:03:27 PM
The groups responsible for these fruit loops walking around are the ACLU and the courts. They went through a series of suits in the 70s and 80s saying you couldn't just lock up mentally ill people without proving that they were a threat to themselves or others. So we get Cheong, Loughner, Side Show Bob and now this fruit loop walking free and committing mass murders when they should have all been bouncing off the walls in rubber rooms somewhere.

If the cops had dropped by the Lanza's house Friday morning there was nothing they could have done prior to him shooting his mom. We need to reverse all those court decisions by legislation not subject to judicial review as provided for in the constitution to cut the judges out of the loop and put the inmates back in the asylums. 

www.politickernj.com
 
2012-12-17 02:03:33 PM

Carn: Forbidden Doughnut: WizardofToast: I think 'end of the world' scenarios have really warped the brains of some people in society. And all this doomsday crap is driving people to do crazy things. I wouldn't be surprised if some people snap on December 21 thinking the world is ending when really it farking isn't. Everyone seems to think the world ends on Friday but has no farking clue how it will.

Since I live in a fairly Red and derpy part of my State (Oregon), it might be a good idea to stay inside...

I was just wondering yesterday whether these kinds of doomsday fatalistic beliefs contribute to people who snap going for broke and killing more than themselves. People who actually believe in the Mayan calendar stupidity, people who wish for the Rapture, and people who hope that society collapses so they get to live their ideal fantasy of living out of their underground bunker all arguably have something seriously wrong with their outlook. Or to be more broad, could the overwhelming infusion of negative news we hear about all the time be self reinforcing?


I agree. These are the same people who, if given the chance to live at any time in human existence, actually pick the past. Fools...
 
2012-12-17 02:03:44 PM

lucksi: Huh, I haven't followed the story closely and some things about the article were really confusing.

He shot his mother at her/their home and then got the guns and then went to the school to shoot up a random classroom?

That is farked up.

And why did they write that he cold have done more damage if he hadn't been stopped? And further on they write that he shot himself. So he stopped himself or what?


My current understanding is he didn't shoot up a random classroom, he shot up HER classroom...although, now that I think about it, was she out sick that day? Not sure on the timing angle. Anyway, afaik, the psychological angle appears to be "she was a teacher, she loved students more than me, I'll show her".

Now, the whole "he was stopped" thing in the article was poorly written and logically weak, to boot.
He shot himself...apparently, when the cops showed up...but he stopped himself, in the final analysis.
Basically, it's police and reporters trying to make the best of a bad situation.
Law enforcement did SOMETHING, but it's cold comfort, frankly.
I'm not saying they could have done better, mind you. Response time sounds decent once they got the call, from what I've read.
 
2012-12-17 02:03:49 PM

NightOwl2255: GCD: I agree with you - natural disasters DO happen and will probably get worse before they get better...but why would I need an AR-15 rifle? Will shooting at the natural disaster somehow stop it?

No, but it will stop the people that will come for your stockpile.


What makes you so certain anyone is going to come for your stockpile? People needing food will probably be lined up at the nearest Red Cross station or National Guard post, where they're handing it out for free. If things honestly get so bad that neither of those exists, I guarantee you won't be around to need your cans of beans, gun or not.
 
2012-12-17 02:04:10 PM

Snarfangel: How many people does the average rolling pin murderer take out? What a ridiculously stupid argument.

Rolling pin murderers don't kill for sport, they just knead the dough.


you are a genius!
 
GCD
2012-12-17 02:04:32 PM

manitobamadman: GCD: JunkyJu: Preppers are smart people.
Everyone should have 2-4 weeks of supplies.
Natural disasters happen.

Everyone hopes no doomsday scenario happens in your lifetime, but to bury your head in the sand and act like it's an impossibility is just plain stupid.

I agree with you - natural disasters DO happen and will probably get worse before they get better...but why would I need an AR-15 rifle? Will shooting at the natural disaster somehow stop it?

Your average, run-of-the-mill "prepper" is smart. Take the Canadian Preppers Network for instance. They have a pretty normal list of things that the average person should do to prepare for a long period without power/adequate food sources/etc.

You'll notice that stockpiling weapons, gun, ammo isn't among their lists though.

Because its a Canadian list.


American Preppers Network
 
2012-12-17 02:04:47 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: internut scholar: Wolf_Blitzer: internut scholar: Wolf_Blitzer: keep seeing derp like this. Tell me - what is a firearm a "tool" for, other than the infliction of death or the threat of death?

To protect your life against someone that is intent on taking it.

By inflicting death, or the threat of death, yes? Its a simple question.

It's a tool for that purpose. There is no other purpose. What is your point? What else would you like it to do?

That is my only point: the sole purpose of a firearm is to inflict death. People who advocate walking around with one strapped to your hip should be judged accordingly.


But gun nuts have been telling me that I can use guns to shoot stuff that's not alive and that makes them exactly the same as cars and knives.
 
2012-12-17 02:05:06 PM

birchman: owever speaking in absolutes like "There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner"


I didn't say it, I merely pointed out that I can see why the person who said it might honestly believe it's true.

Also, remind me again why some basic laws like . Oh. Right. Because there's a huge lobbying organization consisting of millions of "responsible gun owners" devoted to kneejerk opposition to every single bill attempting to place any level of responsibility on gun owners.

Yea.... funny that...

birchman: So from one liberal to another, just stop it.


No. I'm done pretending that "just because I say so" is a valid argument and that the people who say it deserve to be treated like anything other than spoiled children. Gun owners, smokers, conservatives. When they stop lying through their miserable, stained, inbred teeth I'll stop treating them like dirty, inbred liars.
 
2012-12-17 02:05:24 PM
new.llhms.org
There are trains of these crossing intersections in every major city in the USA.
Confiscate all cars now!

/I'd be fine w/ it.
 
2012-12-17 02:05:36 PM

PunGent: My current understanding is he didn't shoot up a random classroom, he shot up HER classroom...although, now that I think about it, was she out sick that day? Not sure on the timing angle. Anyway, afaik, the psychological angle appears to be "she was a teacher, she loved students more than me, I'll show her".


She wasn't a teacher, no one knows (yet) why he went to the school.
 
2012-12-17 02:05:45 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: That is my only point: the sole purpose of a firearm is to inflict death


Sole? Not main? Or intended? But, sole?

sole 2 (sl)
adj.
1. Being the only one: the sole survivor of the crash.
 
2012-12-17 02:06:45 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost:
Guns belong on your person, or locked up tight. Not in your nightstand or under your bed.

That seems... reasonable. 


I prefer "Kind of douchey, but completely accurate." :)
 
2012-12-17 02:07:15 PM

meatsack_01: [causes-prod.caudn.com image 640x636]


Just a guess here, but I for one suspect that very few parents would send their kids to a school that advertises its staff as being "trained and heavily armed."
 
2012-12-17 02:07:28 PM
Yes, mental illness runs in families.
 
2012-12-17 02:07:43 PM
 
2012-12-17 02:07:50 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: That is my only point: the sole purpose of a firearm is to inflict death. People who advocate walking around with one strapped to your hip should be judged accordingly


Like the police?


What tool would you prefer if you had the unfortunate chance that someone was intent on taking your life?
 
2012-12-17 02:08:02 PM

coco ebert: Rich white people have lost their gotdamn minds!


do you troll like this in every thread, or just the ones relating to mass shootings?
 
2012-12-17 02:08:17 PM

manitobamadman: GCD: JunkyJu: Preppers are smart people.
Everyone should have 2-4 weeks of supplies.
Natural disasters happen.

Everyone hopes no doomsday scenario happens in your lifetime, but to bury your head in the sand and act like it's an impossibility is just plain stupid.

I agree with you - natural disasters DO happen and will probably get worse before they get better...but why would I need an AR-15 rifle? Will shooting at the natural disaster somehow stop it?

Your average, run-of-the-mill "prepper" is smart. Take the Canadian Preppers Network for instance. They have a pretty normal list of things that the average person should do to prepare for a long period without power/adequate food sources/etc.

You'll notice that stockpiling weapons, gun, ammo isn't among their lists though.

Because its a Canadian list.


We have a lot of guns in Canada. What's your point?
 
2012-12-17 02:08:32 PM
Okay ,so they were out of fashion. Still no reason for all the hating on Preppies
osneaker.com
 
2012-12-17 02:08:59 PM
Jamie Foxx, one of the industry's biggest stars, said Saturday as he promoted Quentin Tarantino's upcoming ultra-violent ,spaghetti Western-style film about slavery, "Django Unchained," that actors can't ignore the fact that movie violence can influence people.

Pops like a gun!

I LOVE it when Hollywood comes out against guns, while promoting a Tarantino flick!
 
2012-12-17 02:09:18 PM
Inaccurate news is inaccurate. She was a sharp-shooter who had guns to fire at the range for sport. She wasn't a twisted gun-stocking end-of-the-world nut-job like this article reports. But hey, if your job requires article clicks, this author knows what they're doing.
 
2012-12-17 02:10:07 PM

Heinrich von Eckardt: Colour_out_of_Space: [img836.imageshack.us image 305x660]


[i46.tinypic.com image 305x164] 

Well regulated, as is properly functioning i.e. a citizenry proficient in the use of arms.


yeah, it isn't as if there are gun laws or anything.

that guy in CT was able to go to a store and just pick up whatever he wanted, didn't need a background check or have to wait or anything....oh wait.

Chicago has no regulations about guns, nor DC...oh wait....
 
2012-12-17 02:10:13 PM
Not that I doubt it, but there's been so much bullshiat put out I don't believe anything I hear about it anymore.
 
2012-12-17 02:10:27 PM

BeezyBates: Inaccurate news is inaccurate. She was a sharp-shooter who had guns to fire at the range for sport. She wasn't a twisted gun-stocking end-of-the-world nut-job like this article reports. But hey, if your job requires article clicks, this author knows what they're doing.

 

Really? What's YOUR source for saying this? You know them or something?
 
2012-12-17 02:10:36 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: By inflicting death, or the threat of death, yes? Its a simple question


There is no power to protect. There is the power to create and destroy. Destruction is a hell of a lot easier.

If you put up an impenetrable shield, people will pick at it until they find a way to subvert it. If that shield sends back a fatal pulse of energy when agitated, people will be less apt to pick at it, and much less likely to actually ever defeat it.

What can a man do when threatened by violence except employ the threat or execution of greater, more effective violence? You grab your wife and child and run into your safe room. The criminal, knowing police will never come (or if they do, they'll come asking politely for surrender and never employ the use of force), takes a high-temperature welding torch to your 18 inch steel door. 36 hours later he's cut through most of it, and a huge chunk falls away. He now strides in, rapes your 15 year old and your wife in front of you, and then uses the torch to melt your head off.

The purpose of all protections is to repel invaders with force or delay invaders until the force arrives.
 
2012-12-17 02:10:44 PM
So it's lack of mental health care, teaparty derp and Obama's fault? Thank Jebus it's not the guns!
 
2012-12-17 02:11:42 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: No. I'm done pretending that "just because I say so" is a valid argument and that the people who say it deserve to be treated like anything other than spoiled children. Gun owners, smokers, conservatives. When they stop lying through their miserable, stained, inbred teeth I'll stop treating them like dirty, inbred liars.


It's a valid conversation to have, but the way you're trying to have it isn't productive.
 
2012-12-17 02:11:43 PM

a61sun: Jamie Foxx, one of the industry's biggest stars, said Saturday as he promoted Quentin Tarantino's upcoming ultra-violent ,spaghetti Western-style film about slavery, "Django Unchained," that actors can't ignore the fact that movie violence can influence people.

Pops like a gun!

I LOVE it when Hollywood comes out against guns, while promoting a Tarantino flick!



OMFG
 
2012-12-17 02:11:46 PM

WhippingBoy: manitobamadman: GCD: JunkyJu: Preppers are smart people.
Everyone should have 2-4 weeks of supplies.
Natural disasters happen.

Everyone hopes no doomsday scenario happens in your lifetime, but to bury your head in the sand and act like it's an impossibility is just plain stupid.

I agree with you - natural disasters DO happen and will probably get worse before they get better...but why would I need an AR-15 rifle? Will shooting at the natural disaster somehow stop it?

Your average, run-of-the-mill "prepper" is smart. Take the Canadian Preppers Network for instance. They have a pretty normal list of things that the average person should do to prepare for a long period without power/adequate food sources/etc.

You'll notice that stockpiling weapons, gun, ammo isn't among their lists though.

Because its a Canadian list.

We have a lot of guns in Canada. What's your point?


Exactly what you said, we have lots of guns in Canada, don't need to put them on the list, it's kinda a given ... ;)
 
2012-12-17 02:11:48 PM

KungFuJunkie: LabGrrl: Just for a fact check on statements up thread (emphasis mine) (cdc 2009 stats):

Motor vehicle traffic deaths

Number of deaths: 34,485
Deaths per 100,000 population: 11.2

All firearm deaths

Number of deaths: 31,347
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.2

By no means at all is that "far more deaths" from cars. Source. It is my understanding the 2012 stats are even tighter, and gun deaths are trending up and car deaths are trending down.

What were car deaths before seatbelt and airbag laws and how many more people own cars now?


lots of things beyond seat belts and airbags have made cars safer. You'd have to track lots of things.

I do know that nobody has ever been shot by a car.
 
2012-12-17 02:12:10 PM

internut scholar: Wolf_Blitzer: That is my only point: the sole purpose of a firearm is to inflict death. People who advocate walking around with one strapped to your hip should be judged accordingly

Like the police?


What tool would you prefer if you had the unfortunate chance that someone was intent on taking your life?


I would fly a 747 into their building.
 
2012-12-17 02:12:58 PM

dexaline: Utter fail, Fark.

Subby should be school massacred for his idiotic use of "whom" and the rest of you should feel really bad about not making him feel really bad about it.


I agree completely. He massacred the English language.
 
2012-12-17 02:13:18 PM

Spare Me: Colour_out_of_Space: [img836.imageshack.us image 305x660]

The citizen population IS the militia, dork. And it IS well regulated.


Actually no, the US and and states define who the militia is they have done so twice. So they can easily define who they are again and restrict guns.
 
2012-12-17 02:13:26 PM

internut scholar: Wolf_Blitzer: That is my only point: the sole purpose of a firearm is to inflict death. People who advocate walking around with one strapped to your hip should be judged accordingly

Like the police?


What tool would you prefer if you had the unfortunate chance that someone was intent on taking your life?


Policemen are trained in the use of their firearms, and even at that your average beat cop can barely be trusted to hit a cow at ten paces with his service weapon. If you're not at the range 3-4 times a month with it, a handgun is likely to cause more problems than it solves.

Statistically, you or I are far more likely to run into someone having a heart attack than trying to kill us. Do you carry a portable defibrillator?
 
2012-12-17 02:13:27 PM

Three-Fifty: Oh gawd. This is killing me and I haven't been able to check the whole thread to see if this has been brought up yet, but for the love of God:

LEARN TO USE THE WORD WHOM PROPERLY! Go back to 4th grade and review, submitter!!!! Whom is only used for the OBJECT of an action.

GRRRRR I don't know why this bugs me so much, but it does.

It doesn't bug me enough to make me want to become a paranoid survivalist though, so there's that.


It probably bothers you for the same reason it bothers me: it's some schmuck trying to sound smarter than they are. I'd put it up there with "between you and I" for the easiest way to spot a pseudo-intellectual idiot.
 
2012-12-17 02:13:46 PM
Are you farking kidding me???? Multiple 30 round clips and 100's of rounds is an afternoon (very short one) at the shooting range...
 
2012-12-17 02:14:06 PM

Nietzsche Keen: So it's lack of mental health care, teaparty derp and Obama's fault? Thank Jebus it's not the guns!


Maybe we'll get single payer health care after all.
 
2012-12-17 02:14:13 PM

GCD: JunkyJu: Preppers are smart people.
Everyone should have 2-4 weeks of supplies.
Natural disasters happen.

Everyone hopes no doomsday scenario happens in your lifetime, but to bury your head in the sand and act like it's an impossibility is just plain stupid.

I agree with you - natural disasters DO happen and will probably get worse before they get better...but why would I need an AR-15 rifle? Will shooting at the natural disaster somehow stop it?

Your average, run-of-the-mill "prepper" is smart. Take the Canadian Preppers Network for instance. They have a pretty normal list of things that the average person should do to prepare for a long period without power/adequate food sources/etc.

You'll notice that stockpiling weapons, gun, ammo isn't among their lists though.


Don't know if it's still the case, but back when I was flying a light plane through Canada up into Alaska, we were REQUIRED to bring a rifle, ammo, survival gear, and x days for food per person on board.

As others have said, there's common sense prepping, and then there's over-the-top crazy.
 
2012-12-17 02:14:36 PM

Mentat: I also heard that he was wearing a lot of pouches, which means we need to ban Rob Liefeld.


Came for this. Glad to see.

FWIW, once I read the word "pouches", "Liefeld" was my first thought, followed quickly by "Cable", "Deadpool", and" Cyclop's stupid bandoleer thing from Lee's era".
 
2012-12-17 02:15:12 PM

This text is now purple: What the hell is your door frame made from?


Uh... steel? It took me a good 2 minutes to drill through the first sheet with a 535W (like 0.8HP) DeWalt drill. I wanted to install a fish eye. And yes, that was with oil (bits cut metal much faster with oil, somehow; there are a lot of reasons you use oil to drill metal, but if you've ever tried dry you've probably noticed it's a lot slower).

The inside is apparently a high-density plastic foam, but that went easy enough.
 
2012-12-17 02:15:20 PM
Wolf_Blitzer: internut scholar: Wolf_Blitzer: That is my only point: the sole purpose of a firearm is to inflict death. People who advocate walking around with one strapped to your hip should be judged accordingly

Like the police?


What tool would you prefer if you had the unfortunate chance that someone was intent on taking your life?

Policemen are trained in the use of their firearms, and even at that your average beat cop can barely be trusted to hit a cow at ten paces with his service weapon. If you're not at the range 3-4 times a month with it, a handgun is likely to cause more problems than it solves.

Statistically, you or I are far more likely to run into someone having a heart attack than trying to kill us. Do you carry a portable defibrillator?


Does a taser count?
 
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