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2012-12-17 01:47:47 PM
Did anybody else point out that the "article" is from a website that pays its "reporters" by the amount of traffic the story generates?

Oh yeah those daily mail links. I'm sure it's legit
 
2012-12-17 01:48:06 PM

spidermilk: BizarreMan: To those people calling his mother out on not having a gun safe. There is nothing to say she didn't have one. She may have had trigger locks on them. But a 20 year old who lives in the house with her, who has gone to the gun range with her, will most likely know the combination to the safe and where the trigger lock key is.

That is exactly what I am thinking. Not to say she did no wrong. If the thought "My son is becoming unstable and I'm worried about him." crossed her mind she should have packed up her guns and taken them somehere safe. IDK with a trusted friend in their safe, maybe sell them>


Really? her mind would jump to that conclusion? A gun is a tool, that if used responsibly is safe to be around. She taught him how to use and respect firearms. You're also assuming she didn't have them locked up, what if she did? Do you really think a 20 year old can't figure out how to access something? Look at all the "hacktivists" anon has. The internet makes it a lot easier to figure out how to crack a safe, or maybe he found her key hiding place, she was asleep, maybe he pulled the key from her purse. Should she have locked the key in another safe, and then locked that key elsewhere as well?
 
2012-12-17 01:48:44 PM
Preppers are smart people.
Everyone should have 2-4 weeks of supplies.
Natural disasters happen.

Everyone hopes no doomsday scenario happens in your lifetime, but to bury your head in the sand and act like it's an impossibility is just plain stupid.
 
2012-12-17 01:49:02 PM

SlothB77: KungFuJunkie: Why do I get the feeling that the"preppers" will cause the breakdown of our society?

I have always wondered at one point of investment in doomsday preparation does a person need to get to before it is in their best interest to engender the doomsday they have been preparing for?


Well, this gallon can of freeze dried strouganoff is about to expire, and I've got this big red button on my desk...
 
2012-12-17 01:49:17 PM

Launch Code: It takes a human to commit the act. Do you blame the alcohol or the car for a drunk driving death? Of course the super libtard will reflect on soldiers using guns in battle. Are you then calling the people that defend us murderers?
Wake up leftys, evil people do evil things! Don't blame the tool for the destruction.


So we should not ban fully automatic weapons? Why not make building bombs legal? I mean if some ones going to kill people...
 
2012-12-17 01:49:30 PM

bluefoxicy: My back door has about 30 or 40 impact marks on it where a battering ram was taken to it in an attempt to force entry.


What the hell is your door frame made from?
 
2012-12-17 01:49:41 PM

Carn: Launch Code: [i1253.photobucket.com image 201x251]
It takes a human to commit the act. Do you blame the alcohol or the car for a drunk driving death? Of course the super libtard will reflect on soldiers using guns in battle. Are you then calling the people that defend us murderers?
Wake up leftys, evil people do evil things! Don't blame the tool for the destruction.

How many people does the average rolling pin murderer take out? What a ridiculously stupid argument.


Rolling pin murderers don't kill for sport, they just knead the dough.
 
2012-12-17 01:49:47 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Carn: Launch Code: [i1253.photobucket.com image 201x251]
It takes a human to commit the act. Do you blame the alcohol or the car for a drunk driving death? Of course the super libtard will reflect on soldiers using guns in battle. Are you then calling the people that defend us murderers?
Wake up leftys, evil people do evil things! Don't blame the tool for the destruction.

How many people does the average rolling pin murderer take out? What a ridiculously stupid argument.

Is it an African or European rolling pin?


Which one weighs more? Let's say European.
 
2012-12-17 01:50:08 PM

dittybopper: For example, describe to me 3 ways to make water potable in an emergency situation. What common food items found in every kitchen can be used for heat, light, and cooking? There is likely a good source of emergency electricity on your property, do you know how to exploit that?


Off the top of my head... boil it, expose it to light (30 minutes in a PET bottle--i.e. a 2L soda bottle--in direct sunlight will do; 45 to be safe); and ... come on, I've got to have another one in my head. Chemically you could add iodine, then precipitate the iodine out, but that's too complex. NOTHING helps contaminated water except reverse-osmosis--MAYBE--so we're just clearing bacteria here. Yeah I only got 2.

Common food items found in every kitchen for heat, light, and cooking? Uh. Good question. Most plants burn. Salt, iron, magnesium, and water will do it but I can't think of a way to pull that off with food. Aluminum mixed with iron oxide and ignited will go up pretty hot. Somehow I doubt your answer is going to contain anything in my kitchen--except salt, I bet salt is part of it.

I don't have a good source of emergency electricity. I can make bad sources of electricity by cranking the motor on the washing machine or dryer, though I've considered getting rid of those (I didn't use either for like 3 years).
 
2012-12-17 01:50:08 PM

Satanic_Hamster: thornhill: There have been a number recent militia plots to kill law enforcement officers and Sovereign Citizens have killed a number of police officers recently. It just doesn't get any national media attention because it happens in flyover country. The plotters typically get caught because they don't know the first rule about fight club. Check this out. What's unusually about the Newtown shooting was that schools kids were targeted instead of a representative of the Federal Government.

Those are more crazy people trying to cause the collapse of civilization. I'm talking about the kids of the crazy people, their families, and the crazy people themselves to a degree. If you spend years telling your 15 year old that the world is going to end and they won't live long enough to become an adult, how many are going to decide just to end it all like this douche bag did? I mean, why not? The world is going to end, not like they have anything to live for.


Read this:

Deadly Arkansas Shooting By 'Sovereigns' Jerry and Joe Kane Who Shun U.S. Law
July 1, 2010


Video released by West Memphis authorities shows the graphic detail. As the officers questioned Jerry Kane, his son Joe suddenly leaped out of the minivan and opened fire on the officers with an AK-47 assault rifle
 
2012-12-17 01:50:10 PM
Well funded, national healthcare (including comprehensive mental health care), as well as the removal of the stigmas associated with those who seek out mental health care when they need it, could have likely prevented this tragedy. But let's keep derping about gun control.
 
2012-12-17 01:50:22 PM
Fark this I'm out.
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2012-12-17 01:50:36 PM

GrizzlyPouch: Did anybody else point out that the "article" is from a website that pays its "reporters" by the amount of traffic the story generates?

Oh yeah those daily mail links. I'm sure it's legit


Also, this.

The "references" were kind of a newspaper circlejerk.

I'm holding off in this case until we get more info.
 
2012-12-17 01:50:50 PM
dk47: TheOther: Preppers are just stockpiling food, ammo and women for me to come along and take from them.

The other thing that's funny is the anti-social people believing they'll survive. Humans will survive like they always have: banding together in groups to further their common interest. Solo preppers will be screwed.


On 'How It's Made', I saw about the fiendishness of razor wire and how impenetrable it was...unless you have a couple of sheets of heavy plywood to bridge it.

I'm joining a roving band of post-apocalyptic raiders for sure!
 
2012-12-17 01:50:55 PM

OrangeSnapper: Launch Code: [i1253.photobucket.com image 201x251]
It takes a human to commit the act. Do you blame the alcohol or the car for a drunk driving death? Of course the super libtard will reflect on soldiers using guns in battle. Are you then calling the people that defend us murderers?
Wake up leftys, evil people do evil things! Don't blame the tool for the destruction.

Firearm homicides in the US: 11,493
All other homicides in the US: 5,306

Guns are used to murder more than twice as many people in the US as all other weapons combined.
Source: CDC, 2009 statistics


I'm not saying that you're wrong, but the 11,493 includes all homicides, such as people shot by police, people who shoot themselves, etc.
 
2012-12-17 01:51:01 PM

WizardofToast: I think 'end of the world' scenarios have really warped the brains of some people in society. And all this doomsday crap is driving people to do crazy things. I wouldn't be surprised if some people snap on December 21 thinking the world is ending when really it farking isn't. Everyone seems to think the world ends on Friday but has no farking clue how it will.


Since I live in a fairly Red and derpy part of my State (Oregon), it might be a good idea to stay inside...
 
2012-12-17 01:51:03 PM
According to TMZ (yeah, yeah) she received $240K in spousal support in 2010 and it was set to increase every year. In 2012 she was to receive $289K. That's a lot of stocking up money.
 
2012-12-17 01:51:37 PM

Snarfangel: Carn: Launch Code: [i1253.photobucket.com image 201x251]
It takes a human to commit the act. Do you blame the alcohol or the car for a drunk driving death? Of course the super libtard will reflect on soldiers using guns in battle. Are you then calling the people that defend us murderers?
Wake up leftys, evil people do evil things! Don't blame the tool for the destruction.

How many people does the average rolling pin murderer take out? What a ridiculously stupid argument.

Rolling pin murderers don't kill for sport, they just knead the dough.


+eleventy
 
2012-12-17 01:51:59 PM

SnarfVader: El_Frijole_Blanco: So a Teabagger Mormon then

FTFY


Hush. Not even close.

We (are supposed to) keep a years supply of food for hard times - with the intention of being able to share it with our neighbors. or others in need.

Yeah, there are redneck gun-loving mormons, but they are in the same places as the redneck gun-loving non-mormons, and it is the location/culture/family tradition element that causes that, not any mormoness.

Me, personally, I hate guns, and would never allow one in my house. My wife, from New Zealand, where guns aren't allowed by civilians and they like it that way, feels the same.

/I also keep my years supply of food storage around my waist, thank you very much.
 
2012-12-17 01:51:59 PM

PunGent: SlothB77: KungFuJunkie: Why do I get the feeling that the"preppers" will cause the breakdown of our society?

I have always wondered at one point of investment in doomsday preparation does a person need to get to before it is in their best interest to engender the doomsday they have been preparing for?

Well, this gallon can of freeze dried strouganoff is about to expire, and I've got this big red button on my desk...


I was thinking of buying one of those 10 gallon drums filled with freeze dried meals. Not because I'm a doomsday prepper, mind you. Hurricane Sandy flooded the shiat out of my parent's house earlier this year and pre-made meals could've come in handy.
 
2012-12-17 01:52:57 PM
Right-Wing rhetoric and fear mongering has no consequences.
 
2012-12-17 01:53:01 PM

Just for a fact check on statements up thread (emphasis mine) (cdc 2009 stats):


Motor vehicle traffic deaths

Number of deaths: 34,485
Deaths per 100,000 population: 11.2

All firearm deaths

Number of deaths: 31,347
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.2


By no means at all is that "far more deaths" from cars. Source. It is my understanding the 2012 stats are even tighter, and gun deaths are trending up and car deaths are trending down.
 
2012-12-17 01:53:11 PM

meatsack_01: [causes-prod.caudn.com image 640x636]


Neither...
 
2012-12-17 01:53:18 PM

TheOther: bluefoxicy: TheOther: Do you have a meth lab in your basement?

No, I have bags of thinset and 14 boxes of porcelain tile. And some tools.

'That tile is crooked.'
"If I try to straighten it, it will throw off the rest of the row and I'll have to start all over."
'I said we should pay a pro to do this.'
"Your brother isn't a pro at anything but twitching and stealing my beer."
'See, we should have built the meth lab instead.'

"..."


sigh... you lay out the room first, then decide what you need to cut, how it's going to lay out, etc. You put the tiles down, place the rubber spacers between them, measure it out that way. When you're done that, you mark where they go, pick a starting point. Then you take the tile up, chalk line your guides, and screw aluminum bars into the floor as hard guides. You lay your first set of tiles along these guides, and let the thinset set, then take the guides up. Then you continue from there, checking and re-checking your alignment and making small adjustments as you go.

It's not like I didn't spend five minutes figuring out how to do it right the first time. This time I need to build a wall and build out the subfloor first because I need less deflection for the heavy appliances and counter tops.
 
2012-12-17 01:53:26 PM

TheOther: On 'How It's Made', I saw about the fiendishness of razor wire and how impenetrable it was...unless you have a couple of sheets of heavy plywood to bridge it.


farm5.staticflickr.com
 
2012-12-17 01:53:41 PM

Tuesdae: whyRpeoplesostupid: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.


Agreed

I can't agree with that. I mean -- come on! It should be clear that zombies are no more real than, say, jackalopes!


First off, don't scare me with stories of the jackalopes.

The point I was trying to make is that I wonder what the trigger (no pun intended) for all of the recent shootings.
It ain't guns - we have had them for a long time.
It ain't loose gun control - seems that there has been an increase in gun legislation.

So what is it?
People talk about mental health, and I agree with that as an issue.

But what is it that puts a sick person over the edge? Fear of End of Days (not a bad Arnold movie), or of Zombies? (someone had a great link about how Zombies are actually increasing gun sales), Or of Mayan Apocalypse?

People claim that an organization like the NRA is partly responsible even though they are promoting gun safety, training, etc. but somehow other things that have contributed to our culture of violence - the media, gets a complete pass.
 
2012-12-17 01:53:52 PM

NightOwl2255: According to TMZ (yeah, yeah) she received $240K in spousal support in 2010 and it was set to increase every year. In 2012 she was to receive $289K. That's a lot of stocking up money.


She should of hired a professional prepper.
 
2012-12-17 01:54:12 PM

Colour_out_of_Space: [img836.imageshack.us image 305x660]


The citizen population IS the militia, dork. And it IS well regulated.
 
2012-12-17 01:54:53 PM

lucksi: And why did they write that he cold have done more damage if he hadn't been stopped? And further on they write that he shot himself. So he stopped himself or what?


Proof that an armed person in that school was the only one that saved the other kids. Clearly, more guns in schools would be the appropriate method to prevent future tragedies.
 
2012-12-17 01:55:02 PM

NightOwl2255: According to TMZ (yeah, yeah) she received $240K in spousal support in 2010 and it was set to increase every year. In 2012 she was to receive $289K. That's a lot of stocking up money.


Maybe she was stockpiling for when the alimony gravy train ran out?
 
2012-12-17 01:55:12 PM
How about a publicly accessible database of gun ownership as part of gun reform? Everyone should get to know who owns what. And if you are proud of your guns, you shouldn't have a problem with this. It's like keeping your muscle car in the driveway.
 
2012-12-17 01:55:33 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: internut scholar: Wolf_Blitzer: keep seeing derp like this. Tell me - what is a firearm a "tool" for, other than the infliction of death or the threat of death?

To protect your life against someone that is intent on taking it.

By inflicting death, or the threat of death, yes? Its a simple question.


It's a tool for that purpose. There is no other purpose. What is your point? What else would you like it to do?
 
2012-12-17 01:55:36 PM

JunkyJu: Preppers are smart people.
Everyone should have 2-4 weeks of supplies.
Natural disasters happen.

Everyone hopes no doomsday scenario happens in your lifetime, but to bury your head in the sand and act like it's an impossibility is just plain stupid.


Those that have an emergency supply on hand for natural disasters and the like are one animal. Those that are buying gold and years worth of dried food for the coming collapse when Obama turns the US over to the UN are a whole other animal.
 
2012-12-17 01:55:48 PM
Alex big money Jones isn't going to like that
 
2012-12-17 01:56:09 PM

dittybopper: Actually, yes it does:


No, it doesn't. A firearm locked in a cabinet is an operable firearm.

dittybopper: I was talking about the mother, you know, the one who was killed first, and thus couldn't report the guns as stolen? Or is your reading comprehension really that bad?


It's good enough to know that not only do you not bother to actually mention her by name, you don't even bother to make a generic reference via pronoun.

But, yea, my reading comprehension is the problem here, not your inability to communicate clearly.
 
GCD
2012-12-17 01:57:12 PM

JunkyJu: Preppers are smart people.
Everyone should have 2-4 weeks of supplies.
Natural disasters happen.

Everyone hopes no doomsday scenario happens in your lifetime, but to bury your head in the sand and act like it's an impossibility is just plain stupid.


I agree with you - natural disasters DO happen and will probably get worse before they get better...but why would I need an AR-15 rifle? Will shooting at the natural disaster somehow stop it?

Your average, run-of-the-mill "prepper" is smart. Take the Canadian Preppers Network for instance. They have a pretty normal list of things that the average person should do to prepare for a long period without power/adequate food sources/etc.

You'll notice that stockpiling weapons, gun, ammo isn't among their lists though.
 
2012-12-17 01:57:26 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: WizardofToast: I think 'end of the world' scenarios have really warped the brains of some people in society. And all this doomsday crap is driving people to do crazy things. I wouldn't be surprised if some people snap on December 21 thinking the world is ending when really it farking isn't. Everyone seems to think the world ends on Friday but has no farking clue how it will.

Since I live in a fairly Red and derpy part of my State (Oregon), it might be a good idea to stay inside...


I was just wondering yesterday whether these kinds of doomsday fatalistic beliefs contribute to people who snap going for broke and killing more than themselves. People who actually believe in the Mayan calendar stupidity, people who wish for the Rapture, and people who hope that society collapses so they get to live their ideal fantasy of living out of their underground bunker all arguably have something seriously wrong with their outlook. Or to be more broad, could the overwhelming infusion of negative news we hear about all the time be self reinforcing?
 
2012-12-17 01:58:07 PM

farkingnotworking: How about a publicly accessible database of gun ownership as part of gun reform? Everyone should get to know who owns what. And if you are proud of your guns, you shouldn't have a problem with this. It's like keeping your muscle car in the driveway.


That would be great for all the criminals to know where the guns are.
 
2012-12-17 01:58:24 PM

SubjectVerb: WHOM???? Seriously?


Yeah, deal with it buddy, it's the new normal.
 
2012-12-17 01:58:29 PM
Oh gawd. This is killing me and I haven't been able to check the whole thread to see if this has been brought up yet, but for the love of God:

LEARN TO USE THE WORD WHOM PROPERLY! Go back to 4th grade and review, submitter!!!! Whom is only used for the OBJECT of an action.

GRRRRR I don't know why this bugs me so much, but it does.

It doesn't bug me enough to make me want to become a paranoid survivalist though, so there's that.
 
2012-12-17 01:58:47 PM

JackieRabbit: the_end_is_rear: JackieRabbit: the_end_is_rear: Guns make a mans pecker hard and ready.
You Libs just cannot understand that.

Careful not to get any jizz on your gun while you're jacking...

I was hoping someone would get my trolling post and comment.
You did not disappoint.

You're welcome. We might as well have fun in what promises to be a week of endless gun wonking posts.


I so agree
 
2012-12-17 01:59:26 PM

dittybopper


I have a decent enough gun safe at home. Nothing fancy, but it's all metal, and it's got a lock on it, and 10 minutes with a sawsall and I could open it up without the key. I could probably pick the lock in about the same amount of time, but that includes improvising a rake and a tension lever out of paper clips. It would be quieter, though.


That sounds like a metal cabinet, not a safe.
 
2012-12-17 02:00:01 PM
she sounds a lot like a lot of the gun nutz on fark.
 
2012-12-17 02:00:09 PM

probesport:
Crazy raises crazy, I was in my career and just bought a house at 20 with little to no crazy. Teaching kids how to plink paper targets does not make them efficient killers anymore than teaching someone how to cut a steak makes them a coroner.


No shiat. I bought my first house at 24 and was well on my way to happy middle-classdom. There are still times when I think "If I did that my dad will kick my ass," and he has been dead for going on five years.
 
2012-12-17 02:00:11 PM

GCD: I agree with you - natural disasters DO happen and will probably get worse before they get better...but why would I need an AR-15 rifle? Will shooting at the natural disaster somehow stop it?


No, but it will stop the people that will come for your stockpile.
 
2012-12-17 02:00:37 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: birchman: HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.

You're not helping

Maybe fewer people would feel that way about gun owners if every simple little attempt at keeping guns out of the hands of lunatics like this kid, "the Joker" in Aurora and Seung-Hui Cho wasn't met by "responsible gun owners" unleashing a massive backlash of righteous indignation.

I mean, seriously. It's too much to ask that you should have to register a firearm, report it if its gets lost of stolen and keep it locked away so that it can't be taken and used against someone else?

To the "responsible gun owners" the answer to all three is not just "yes", but "YES AND IF YOU DISAGREE YOU HATE FREEDOM YOU STUPID COMMIE PINKO!!!111"

So, yea. Havin' a hard time finding these alleged "responsible gun owners" anywhere in this debate.


Then you're actively ignoring them. There have been plenty of gun owners express they would be fine with that in threads the last several days. However speaking in absolutes like "There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner" not only makes you look just as foolish, but adds nothing of value to the discussion. So from one liberal to another, just stop it.
 
2012-12-17 02:00:53 PM

The Larch: NRA reaction before: This tragedy happened because none of the victims owned a gun. If even one victim had been prepared, it would have saved a lot of lives.

NRA reaction now: ...


Think they found her on their membership rolls?

A contributor on msnbc(Randel?) this morning said with past incidents the focus has been on what was wrong with the shooter and this time it seems we're focusing on what is wrong with us.

I doubt the answer is "We don't have enough guns."
 
2012-12-17 02:00:58 PM

Girion47: spidermilk: BizarreMan: To those people calling his mother out on not having a gun safe. There is nothing to say she didn't have one. She may have had trigger locks on them. But a 20 year old who lives in the house with her, who has gone to the gun range with her, will most likely know the combination to the safe and where the trigger lock key is.

That is exactly what I am thinking. Not to say she did no wrong. If the thought "My son is becoming unstable and I'm worried about him." crossed her mind she should have packed up her guns and taken them somehere safe. IDK with a trusted friend in their safe, maybe sell them>

Really? her mind would jump to that conclusion? A gun is a tool, that if used responsibly is safe to be around. She taught him how to use and respect firearms. You're also assuming she didn't have them locked up, what if she did? Do you really think a 20 year old can't figure out how to access something? Look at all the "hacktivists" anon has. The internet makes it a lot easier to figure out how to crack a safe, or maybe he found her key hiding place, she was asleep, maybe he pulled the key from her purse. Should she have locked the key in another safe, and then locked that key elsewhere as well?


The thing is, her son was nuts. She knew he was nuts. Because of this, she should have secured the weapons in a fashion to prevent his ability to access them.

If gun safes can be cracked by a crazy 20-year-old, then she should have removed either the guns or the 20-year-old from her house.
 
2012-12-17 02:01:19 PM

internut scholar: Wolf_Blitzer: internut scholar: Wolf_Blitzer: keep seeing derp like this. Tell me - what is a firearm a "tool" for, other than the infliction of death or the threat of death?

To protect your life against someone that is intent on taking it.

By inflicting death, or the threat of death, yes? Its a simple question.

It's a tool for that purpose. There is no other purpose. What is your point? What else would you like it to do?


That is my only point: the sole purpose of a firearm is to inflict death. People who advocate walking around with one strapped to your hip should be judged accordingly.
 
2012-12-17 02:02:06 PM
lucky she had those guns to protect herself.
 
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