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2012-12-17 01:02:33 PM

nitefallz: HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.

Lazy troll is extremely lazy


They're responsible right up until they stop being responsible, then people die. See James Holmes.

We should start treating them like pit bulls, really. Maybe you've got a nice one, but keep it the fark away from me and my family.
 
2012-12-17 01:02:37 PM
WHOM???? Seriously?
 
2012-12-17 01:02:46 PM

HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.


You're not helping
 
2012-12-17 01:03:08 PM

Mentat: I also heard that he was wearing a lot of pouches, which means we need to ban Rob Liefeld.


Now we're getting down to brass tacks.
 
2012-12-17 01:03:50 PM

vpb: Marcus Aurelius: Police say that when his body was found, he carried a third semi-automatic pistol in his military-style cargo pants

Clearly, we need to ban military style cargo pants.

If the victims had had military style cargo pants this wouldn't have happened.


They did, but corduroy doesn't count. Too noisy.
 
2012-12-17 01:03:51 PM

Coco LaFemme: Gee, who would have thought that being a paranoid survivalist stockpiling guns with a mentally disturbed child in the house would end up being a really stupid idea. I wish this woman wasn't dead because if her son hadn't shot her first, I'd be demanding her ass be put on trial for all 26 dead bodies her son racked up. She helped create the monster, she should have been made to pay for it.


In a way this makes more sense and I'm surprised that we haven't seen this as the cause of more shootings; if fear over the world ending was the motive for this guys shootings, he wouldn't be the first person to go on a killing spree because of that.

Whatever the reason you think the world is going to end (the Rapture, earthquakes, aliens, nuclear war, Obama, Mexicans, etc), if you spend years telling your kids that there's no hope for them to have a normal life ever, eventually you'll have people snap. I mean, why not? They've been told for years by their authority figure (be it a parent or religious leader) that there's no hope.
 
2012-12-17 01:04:00 PM

Mentat: I also heard that he was wearing a lot of pouches, which means we need to ban Rob Liefeld.


We should just ban that dude anyway
 
2012-12-17 01:04:36 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: She could afford those guns but couldn't afford a gun safe.

Isn't it time that we paid our kindergarten teachers more?


She may have been an insane weapons hoarder spawning psycopathic children but at least she didn't show up in an adult film.

Her ass would have been canned immediately.
 
2012-12-17 01:04:53 PM

Snarfangel: We either need to ban rich people, the unemployed, or single mothers. I'm trying to decide which.


The correct answer is D, all of the above.
 
2012-12-17 01:05:04 PM
But remember. Requiring people to have safety locks on their guns and report them when they're lost or stolen is a grievous assault on liberty.

When the full details come out, if it turns out this kid had a known history of mental problems and/or violence AND this woman not only stockpiled guns but kept them available despite knowing about his derangement I don't think it would be a step too far for people to make the occasional pilgrimage to her grave to take a giant dump on.
 
2012-12-17 01:05:07 PM

HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.


I'll bite.

I'm in the shiat right now with my dad - he's a right wing nut who signed the secessionist bullshiat and watches Doomsday Preppers for tips. He owns a lot of guns and is a lifetime member of the NRA. I've been in a consistent, escalating fight with him for four years over the brown motherfarker in the white house, and you know what?

I am not scared of his guns.

If there is one absolute thing I believe about the giant asshole my father's become, it's that he takes his ownership of his weapons with dead seriousness. He has a gun safe with a secured lock that is updated regularly; he maintains and secures his weapons at all times, and he takes himself to the range with a trainer to keep sharp and updated on safety. I don't agree 100% with his weaponry stance (I'm more a handguns/hunting type than LET ME OWN THAT SWEET-ASS-UZI) but I respect that he's taking care of his.

Of course if the day comes he tweaks and shoots up... well, a bunch of abandoned barns and maybe a few rednecks out by him, I'll be back to go "holy shiat, I did not see that coming" and you can call me an asshole. After I drink out my spleen.
 
2012-12-17 01:05:22 PM

BizarreMan: To those people calling his mother out on not having a gun safe. There is nothing to say she didn't have one. She may have had trigger locks on them. But a 20 year old who lives in the house with her, who has gone to the gun range with her, will most likely know the combination to the safe and where the trigger lock key is.


My thoughts exactly. The guns may have been secured against outsiders, but the son probably had access to them. Her failure was in having them in at all around what by all accounts was a very mentally ill individual.
 
2012-12-17 01:05:27 PM

BizarreMan: To those people calling his mother out on not having a gun safe. There is nothing to say she didn't have one. She may have had trigger locks on them. But a 20 year old who lives in the house with her, who has gone to the gun range with her, will most likely know the combination to the safe and where the trigger lock key is.


No, the issue is that the kid with known mental issues knew how to get around whatever gun security she had in place. By default the gun security is shiatty because he knew how to do this.
 
2012-12-17 01:05:32 PM

WizardofToast: I think 'end of the world' scenarios have really warped the brains of some people in society. And all this doomsday crap is driving people to do crazy things. I wouldn't be surprised if some people snap on December 21 thinking the world is ending when really it farking isn't. Everyone seems to think the world ends on Friday but has no farking clue how it will.


On December 18th, a giant, angry face will appear on the moon.
 
2012-12-17 01:06:03 PM
Great, his mom was a farking right wing nutjob, thinking the government was after them, and they had to prepare for the coming decay of polite society. Stupid biatch. Everybody knows that it's ZOMBIES we have to be prepared for.
 
2012-12-17 01:06:19 PM
Remember when Giffard was shot and right wingers had to suddenly back paddle on "lock and load" and maps with gunsights (or something that looks suspiciously like gunsights to every one who is not a Republican lawyer)?

Well, this times ten thousand.

Not only will we have to listen to them whine as they do every time their consensual reality is punctured by the Great Conspiracy of Reality Against Paranoid Partisans (G-CRAPP), but now mean, evil lieberals will be pointing out the insanity of the Great Liberal Apocalyptic Doom (GLAD) they have been preaching with increasing furvor since they realized that demographics and the economy have betrayed them and time is now the enemy.

To quote the great Zen philosopher Grr "Hooray! We're all doomed!"

Sign me up! This should be as much fun as a barrel of live fish and a shotgun.
 
2012-12-17 01:06:23 PM

Felgraf: WizardofToast: I think 'end of the world' scenarios have really warped the brains of some people in society. And all this doomsday crap is driving people to do crazy things. I wouldn't be surprised if some people snap on December 21 thinking the world is ending when really it farking isn't. Everyone seems to think the world ends on Friday but has no farking clue how it will.

On December 18th, a giant, angry face will appear on the moon.


Dawn of the 5th Day.
 
2012-12-17 01:06:27 PM

kronicfeld: If only she had more guns, she might've been safer.


bravo ( golf clap, zero sarcasm )
 
2012-12-17 01:06:28 PM

Mentat: I also heard that he was wearing a lot of pouches, which means we need to ban Rob Liefeld.


If his shoe size is a 3, I'll consider it.
 
2012-12-17 01:06:48 PM
Besides, we've been assured by one of the good Republican Representatives from Texas that if she had been allowed to carry one of her AR-15 knockoffs with her at school, she could have prevented all of this.
 
2012-12-17 01:07:04 PM

birchman: HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.

You're not helping


Helping what?
 
2012-12-17 01:07:04 PM
Guess she didnt prep for this. When I heard she didnt have a job and saw the house I figured she must be getting some serious alimony from the VP dad. You know its a farked up family when the older brother said he didnt have any contact with his brother for over 2 years. Me and my brother talk all the time and at least see each other once a month.
 
2012-12-17 01:07:44 PM

HotWingConspiracy: nitefallz: HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.

Lazy troll is extremely lazy

They're responsible right up until they stop being responsible, then people die. See James Holmes.

We should start treating them like pit bulls, really. Maybe you've got a nice one, but keep it the fark away from me and my family.


Great, now you've let all the criminals know that you can't defend your family. Don't let people know you're not armed.

/do you not lock your doors either?
 
2012-12-17 01:07:48 PM

bulldg4life: She did a shiat job of securing her weapons, then.


How do we know? For all we know, she stored the guns in a safe, and the son stole the key while she was sleeping.
 
2012-12-17 01:08:17 PM

KhamanV: After I drink out my spleen.


That made me chuckle. I don't feel good about that.
 
2012-12-17 01:08:57 PM

Diogenes: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.

hey, I like those stories!

Yes, let's eliminate the First Amendment to protect the Second.


We all have to make sacrifices.

/when the protectionists are done attacking gun owners, who do you think they'll go after next?
/someone's got to take the manufactured blame.
 
2012-12-17 01:09:07 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.


The sad part would be if the TV show "revolution" caused her to believe this.

Sad because the show is so terrible.
 
2012-12-17 01:09:54 PM

minoridiot: Since she divorced Peter, Nancy has had no need to work because she receives $200,000 in support from Peter Lanza

2%er problems.


So...no more child payments?
 
2012-12-17 01:10:07 PM

SubjectVerb: HotWingConspiracy: nitefallz: HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.

Lazy troll is extremely lazy

They're responsible right up until they stop being responsible, then people die. See James Holmes.

We should start treating them like pit bulls, really. Maybe you've got a nice one, but keep it the fark away from me and my family.

Great, now you've let all the criminals know that you can't defend your family. Don't let people know you're not armed.

/do you not lock your doors either?


Nope, my apartment is unlocked and it's 20 miles away.
 
2012-12-17 01:10:08 PM

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.

hey, I like those stories!

on a more serious note - not all preppers are crazy, but a lot of crazy people are preppers. given the situation after hurricane katrina or again after hurricane sandy...preparing for a long term disruption of power and food distribution systems is starting to look like plain common sense and not an indication of crazy loonie toons insanity.


sounds pretty horrible to me, i mean after society collapses you'll have crazy people murdering others for their food because they were too paranoid to think past a week worth of supplies

i mean the reality is paranoid people don't think right, they don't have the ability to actually plan ahead - hence why they stockpile so many weapons but all they end up doing is just going on killing sprees - they don't actually know what they're doing or why
 
2012-12-17 01:10:15 PM

dittybopper: bulldg4life: She did a shiat job of securing her weapons, then.

How do we know? For all we know, she stored the guns in a safe, and the son stole the key while she was sleeping.


Which would be a shiatty job of securing her weapons.
 
2012-12-17 01:10:26 PM

birchman: HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.

You're not helping


Maybe fewer people would feel that way about gun owners if every simple little attempt at keeping guns out of the hands of lunatics like this kid, "the Joker" in Aurora and Seung-Hui Cho wasn't met by "responsible gun owners" unleashing a massive backlash of righteous indignation.

I mean, seriously. It's too much to ask that you should have to register a firearm, report it if its gets lost of stolen and keep it locked away so that it can't be taken and used against someone else?

To the "responsible gun owners" the answer to all three is not just "yes", but "YES AND IF YOU DISAGREE YOU HATE FREEDOM YOU STUPID COMMIE PINKO!!!111"

So, yea. Havin' a hard time finding these alleged "responsible gun owners" anywhere in this debate.
 
2012-12-17 01:10:46 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Coco LaFemme: Gee, who would have thought that being a paranoid survivalist stockpiling guns with a mentally disturbed child in the house would end up being a really stupid idea. I wish this woman wasn't dead because if her son hadn't shot her first, I'd be demanding her ass be put on trial for all 26 dead bodies her son racked up. She helped create the monster, she should have been made to pay for it.

In a way this makes more sense and I'm surprised that we haven't seen this as the cause of more shootings; if fear over the world ending was the motive for this guys shootings, he wouldn't be the first person to go on a killing spree because of that.

Whatever the reason you think the world is going to end (the Rapture, earthquakes, aliens, nuclear war, Obama, Mexicans, etc), if you spend years telling your kids that there's no hope for them to have a normal life ever, eventually you'll have people snap. I mean, why not? They've been told for years by their authority figure (be it a parent or religious leader) that there's no hope.


There have been a number recent militia plots to kill law enforcement officers and Sovereign Citizens have killed a number of police officers recently. It just doesn't get any national media attention because it happens in flyover country. The plotters typically get caught because they don't know the first rule about fight club. Check this out. What's unusually about the Newtown shooting was that schools kids were targeted instead of a representative of the Federal Government.
 
GCD
2012-12-17 01:10:51 PM
It might be going out on a limb here, but the more of this story that emerges, the more this sounds like a "December 21st preemptive strike" type scenario.

If she was a part of this "Doomsday Prepper movement", then one could safely assume that she was stockpiling for end of the world. That would rationally explain the copious amounts of ammo that has reportedly been found.

Now add into the mix a person with an unknown medical condition(s) who has probably be brought up to believe that the world was is ending on December 21st and you have yourself a volatile powder keg that was just waiting for a spark to explode.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they discover that the person responsible somehow thought that by killing people before the end of the world, he was somehow doing them a favor and "saving" them from a worse fate on December 21st.

Given the information that continues to emerge here, the whole thing seems pretty plausible.
 
2012-12-17 01:10:53 PM

hinten: How exactly owning a long list of devices that are primarily designed to kill makes you safer is anyone's guess.


Tactical ability to return fire or respond to detected intrusion with a first strike.

What makes the community safer is being able to collectively neutralize a threat. In other words: the community is unsafe when a random single person is able to systematically rape/mug/murder people; the individual is unsafe when such an attacker gains first strike (you can't draw a gun if you have a gun pointed in your face, you get shot; hell, it's easy to just grab someone's gun away from them when they reach for the hip, if you can grapple with them competently); but if the attacker shoots you and the people in hearing range have guns, several will take their guns out and come find the attacker--either apprehend or kill. You might be dead, but his next victim... will not be a thing.

Essentially it's the same idea as a police force, except we put guns in the hands of more people. We're supposed to psychologically evaluate people and put some restrictions on who can have a gun; just like with the police force, this often fails (it fails a LOT in some police forces, to the point that the only people who want to be cops are cliqy assholes that want to feel important). Ideally, we make it a statistics problem: the system should be self-regulating, such that there's enough benefit to diminish the negative consequences below what occurs otherwise.

That's the theory. Impact has to do with culture--criminal culture, peoples' willingness to fight back, saturation (if more than a few but still not enough people have guns, criminals just arms-race by becoming more violent), and so on.
 
2012-12-17 01:11:02 PM

utahraptor2: If a teacher would have been armed, he wouldn't have gotten very far.


Yeah, that's a quality I look for in my kids' teachers. A good shot. What could possibly go wrong?

BizarreMan: To those people calling his mother out on not having a gun safe. There is nothing to say she didn't have one. She may have had trigger locks on them. But a 20 year old who lives in the house with her, who has gone to the gun range with her, will most likely know the combination to the safe and where the trigger lock key is.


There's nothing saying she had trigger locks or tiny fairies watching them for her either. A gun safe your kid knows the combo to is a cabinet, not a safe.
 
2012-12-17 01:11:07 PM

Coco LaFemme: Gee, who would have thought that being a paranoid survivalist stockpiling guns with a mentally disturbed child in the house would end up being a really stupid idea. I wish this woman wasn't dead because if her son hadn't shot her first, I'd be demanding her ass be put on trial for all 26 dead bodies her son racked up. She helped create the monster, she should have been made to pay for it.


THIS

And sadly, it's too soon or too sad to call her a dumbass because polite society says she should be pitied for dying horribly at the hands of her own child. No. fark her. And somebody on teevee no doubt put that B-52 loadfull of weapons grade derp in her pathetic brain. I'd love to know where she acquired that bs.
 
2012-12-17 01:11:15 PM

RexTalionis: Mentat: I also heard that he was wearing a lot of pouches, which means we need to ban Rob Liefeld.

I can get behind that.


Sign me up for that petition!

Ban Liefeld!

/You know, for the kids.
 
2012-12-17 01:11:20 PM
First rule of being liberal: hate the parts of the Constitution that your friends, teachers, and television tell you to hate

Second rule of being liberal: blame Conservativism and capitalism for everything that goes wrong, including hurricanes, economic collapses, and insane people who butcher innocents

Third rule of being liberal: if you must defend insane people who butcher innocents, make sure they're middle eastern, then sympathize with their plight and how they're treated in captivity

And finally, the fourth rule, read Fark, dailykos, huffington post, basically any site where you can congregate with other liberals and congratulate each other for how much smarter and tolerant you are, tolerant of everyone that beileves what you believe, that is.
 
2012-12-17 01:11:32 PM

dittybopper: bulldg4life: She did a shiat job of securing her weapons, then.

How do we know? For all we know, she stored the guns in a safe, and the son stole the key while she was sleeping.


Even so, a shiat job securing her weapons.
 
2012-12-17 01:11:34 PM

SubjectVerb: HotWingConspiracy: nitefallz: HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.

Lazy troll is extremely lazy

They're responsible right up until they stop being responsible, then people die. See James Holmes.

We should start treating them like pit bulls, really. Maybe you've got a nice one, but keep it the fark away from me and my family.

Great, now you've let all the criminals know that you can't defend your family. Don't let people know you're not armed.

/do you not lock your doors either?


Do you honestly, sincerely believe that your area is full of people waiting to bust down your door, steal everything you own and rape you, the second they find out there's no guns in your home?

How do you avoid wetting yourself every time you step outside?
 
2012-12-17 01:12:02 PM

utahraptor2: If a teacher would have been armed, he wouldn't have gotten very far.


This
 
2012-12-17 01:12:15 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: But remember. Requiring people to have safety locks on their guns and report them when they're lost or stolen is a grievous assault on liberty.


Quite literally, you are correct: The Supreme Court has ruled that requiring that guns be inoperable is a violation of the Second Amendment. It's settled law.

As for reporting them lost or stolen, that's hard to do with your face shot off.
 
2012-12-17 01:12:55 PM

KhamanV: HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.

I'll bite.

I'm in the shiat right now with my dad - he's a right wing nut who signed the secessionist bullshiat and watches Doomsday Preppers for tips. He owns a lot of guns and is a lifetime member of the NRA. I've been in a consistent, escalating fight with him for four years over the brown motherfarker in the white house, and you know what?


What...that he's not on medication? Didn't see that one coming.
 
2012-12-17 01:13:12 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: Because People in power are Stupid: She could afford those guns but couldn't afford a gun safe.
Isn't it time that we paid our kindergarten teachers more?
She wasn't a teacher, she was living on alimony.


Oh well then--she deserved to die. She had more money than you, and she didn't earn it the way you think she should have. Glad we got that out of the way.
 
2012-12-17 01:13:53 PM

HotWingConspiracy: We should start treating them like pit bulls, really. Maybe you've got a nice one, but keep it the fark away from me and my family.


4.bp.blogspot.com

What a pit bull might look like.
 
2012-12-17 01:13:57 PM
Phineas, now that you've got that strawman out of your system, care to make a contribution that isn't a pile of steaming derp?
 
2012-12-17 01:13:59 PM

DoctorCal: /oblig


Unless he grounds himself, he'll be fine.
 
2012-12-17 01:14:10 PM

H31N0US: dittybopper: bulldg4life: She did a shiat job of securing her weapons, then.

How do we know? For all we know, she stored the guns in a safe, and the son stole the key while she was sleeping.

Even so, a shiat job securing her weapons.


That's an assumption based on no evidence.
What we do know is that she did a shiat job raising her son.
 
2012-12-17 01:14:11 PM
As she laid there in bed with her son pointing a rifle at her, I wonder what the last thing that went through her mind was.
 
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