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2012-12-17 08:52:06 AM  
So a Teabagger then
 
2012-12-17 09:12:21 AM  
Police say that when his body was found, he carried a third semi-automatic pistol in his military-style cargo pants

Clearly, we need to ban military style cargo pants.
 
2012-12-17 09:18:14 AM  
Glenn Beck seen smiling and nodding slowly.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-17 09:30:58 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Police say that when his body was found, he carried a third semi-automatic pistol in his military-style cargo pants

Clearly, we need to ban military style cargo pants.


If the victims had had military style cargo pants this wouldn't have happened.
 
2012-12-17 09:51:50 AM  

El_Frijole_Blanco: So a Teabagger then

 
2012-12-17 09:53:00 AM  
She gets the fail award of the year for believing that having assault weapons in her home would make her safe. Now that entire community is paying for her ignorance.
 
2012-12-17 09:54:41 AM  
If only she had more guns, she might've been safer.
 
2012-12-17 09:55:37 AM  

Sleeping Monkey: She gets the fail award of the year for believing that having assault weapons in her home would make her safe. Now that entire community is paying for her ignorance.


If she had them properly secured in a gun safe, she wouldn't have been able to get them out in time to repel the coming North Korean invasion.
 
2012-12-17 09:56:03 AM  
Nancy Lanza was reportedly "struggling to hold herself together and had been stockpiling food, water and guns in the large home she shared with her 20-year-old son in Connecticut.

"Mrs Lanza, 52, was a 'prepper' - so called because they are preparing for a breakdown in civilized society - who apparently became obsessed with guns and taught Adam and his older brother, Ryan, how to shoot, even taking them to local ranges."


The apple did not fall far from the tree, it does appear.
 
2012-12-17 09:57:18 AM  
Well, at least she got to exemplify having her guns taken from her cold dead hands.

Vive la Heston!
 
2012-12-17 09:57:54 AM  
Survivalist? Oh please........

Yeah, cause you know, when society breaks down, the first things the Godless Sodomite Philistines will come for are the homes valued around $600k and up 

Connecticut shooter Adam Lanza and family members revealed
(examiner.com)
 
2012-12-17 09:59:15 AM  
Well... The important thing is that her 2nd Amendment rights weren't infringed upon. That would have been the real tragedy here, and we should be thankful that she died free.
 
2012-12-17 10:00:57 AM  

homelessdude: Survivalist? Oh please........

Yeah, cause you know, when society breaks down, the first things the Godless Sodomite Philistines will come for are the homes valued around $600k and up 

Connecticut shooter Adam Lanza and family members revealed
(examiner.com)


 
Why wasn't that crazy lady more logical?
 
2012-12-17 10:03:29 AM  
First rule of surviving total societal breakdown: surviving until society breaks down.
 
2012-12-17 10:04:08 AM  
Guess she was going it wrong.
 
2012-12-17 10:07:31 AM  
Court ordered mandatory psychological exams, then involuntary institutionalisation.

We are allowing too many whack jobs to roam freely.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-17 10:10:53 AM  

homelessdude: Survivalist? Oh please........

Yeah, cause you know, when society breaks down, the first things the Godless Sodomite Philistines will come for are the homes valued around $600k and up 

Connecticut shooter Adam Lanza and family members revealed
(examiner.com)


What sort of survivalist thinks a house in a suburb is the place to survive the collapse of civilization? What do they think? That they are going to fight their way to Safeway to get food?
 
2012-12-17 10:12:54 AM  

SlothB77: First rule of surviving total societal breakdown: surviving until society breaks down.


wow... i actually agreed with that.
 
2012-12-17 10:13:30 AM  

Sleeping Monkey: She gets the fail award of the year for believing that having assault weapons in her home would make her safe. Now that entire community is paying for her ignorance.


Cadaver Trial, anyone?
 
2012-12-17 10:15:12 AM  
maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.
 
2012-12-17 10:18:31 AM  

vpb: homelessdude: Survivalist? Oh please........

Yeah, cause you know, when society breaks down, the first things the Godless Sodomite Philistines will come for are the homes valued around $600k and up 

Connecticut shooter Adam Lanza and family members revealed
(examiner.com)

What sort of survivalist thinks a house in a suburb is the place to survive the collapse of civilization? What do they think? That they are going to fight their way to Safeway to get food?


Their basement is probably packed with food and supplies.
 
2012-12-17 10:18:53 AM  

Since she divorced Peter, Nancy has had no need to work because she receives $200,000 in support from Peter Lanza


2%er problems.
 
2012-12-17 10:19:38 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.



Agreed
 
2012-12-17 10:20:20 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.


hey, I like those stories!

on a more serious note - not all preppers are crazy, but a lot of crazy people are preppers. given the situation after hurricane katrina or again after hurricane sandy...preparing for a long term disruption of power and food distribution systems is starting to look like plain common sense and not an indication of crazy loonie toons insanity.
 
2012-12-17 10:24:17 AM  
Rich white people have lost their gotdamn minds!
 
2012-12-17 10:25:39 AM  

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.

hey, I like those stories!


Yes, let's eliminate the First Amendment to protect the Second.
 
2012-12-17 10:26:03 AM  

minoridiot: Since she divorced Peter, Nancy has had no need to work because she receives $200,000 in support from Peter Lanza.


We either need to ban rich people, the unemployed, or single mothers. I'm trying to decide which.
 
2012-12-17 10:27:25 AM  

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.

hey, I like those stories!

on a more serious note - not all preppers are crazy, but a lot of crazy people are preppers. given the situation after hurricane katrina or again after hurricane sandy...preparing for a long term disruption of power and food distribution systems is starting to look like plain common sense and not an indication of crazy loonie toons insanity.


Sure but do you need Kevlar and an arsenal to withstand a bad Nor'easter
 
2012-12-17 10:28:24 AM  
I also heard that he was wearing a lot of pouches, which means we need to ban Rob Liefeld.
 
2012-12-17 10:29:22 AM  

FlashHarry: SlothB77: First rule of surviving total societal breakdown: surviving until society breaks down.

wow... i actually agreed with that.


Guns may be one topic we actually agree with each other on.
 
2012-12-17 10:30:19 AM  

El_Frijole_Blanco: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.

hey, I like those stories!

on a more serious note - not all preppers are crazy, but a lot of crazy people are preppers. given the situation after hurricane katrina or again after hurricane sandy...preparing for a long term disruption of power and food distribution systems is starting to look like plain common sense and not an indication of crazy loonie toons insanity.

Sure but do you need Kevlar and an arsenal to withstand a bad Nor'easter


after some of the stories that came out after Katrina and NOLA....I'd want to make sure I could bunker down for a while too. cops shooting civilians, looting, no government in sight....i'm just saying that some level of personal protection isn't unreasonable. it depends on where you live tho, some neighborhoods are going to be better able to withstand long term disruptions than others.
 
2012-12-17 10:30:57 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Police say that when his body was found, he carried a third semi-automatic pistol in his military-style cargo pants

Clearly, we need to ban military style cargo pants.



Old Navy Surplus!
 
2012-12-17 10:31:57 AM  

homelessdude: Connecticut shooter Adam Lanza and family members revealed
(examiner.com)


...and lived with his mother at 36 Yogananda Street in Newtown


Yoganandaji weeps....
 
2012-12-17 10:32:31 AM  

PreMortem: Court ordered mandatory psychological exams, then involuntary institutionalisation.

We are allowing too many whack jobs to roam freely.



Think of the number of Farkers who would suddenly be free to post 24/7 from a padded cell on government paid for laptops...
 
2012-12-17 10:33:43 AM  

SlothB77: Nancy Lanza was reportedly "struggling to hold herself together and had been stockpiling food, water and guns in the large home she shared with her 20-year-old son in Connecticut.

"Mrs Lanza, 52, was a 'prepper' - so called because they are preparing for a breakdown in civilized society - who apparently became obsessed with guns and taught Adam and his older brother, Ryan, how to shoot, even taking them to local ranges."

The apple did not fall far from the tree, it does appear.


Not if it knows what's good for it.

Oh, sure, I'll give it a head start. If it tries to escape by rolling downhill, though, it's BLAMMO! Applesauce everywhere!
 
2012-12-17 10:35:39 AM  

Diogenes: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.

hey, I like those stories!

Yes, let's eliminate the First Amendment to protect the Second.


I didn't say that the government should step in an stop it.

The press and hollywood could have a bit of restraint and not put out those stories or those types of shows.
 
2012-12-17 10:38:19 AM  

El_Frijole_Blanco: So a Teabagger Mormon then


FTFY
 
2012-12-17 10:38:22 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Diogenes: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.

hey, I like those stories!

Yes, let's eliminate the First Amendment to protect the Second.

I didn't say that the government should step in an stop it.

The press and hollywood could have a bit of restraint and not put out those stories or those types of shows.


So could gun owners. No provision is absolute.
 
2012-12-17 10:38:29 AM  
Wait, I thought it was video games that did this?  Or maybe immunizations caused his autism/mental health issues?  Or was it that he was taking college courses at age 16?
 
2012-12-17 10:42:58 AM  

Raharu: Glenn Beck seen smiling and nodding slowly.


why? I thought he is promoting gun safes on his show.

would have been good if her guns were locked up.
 
2012-12-17 10:43:19 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese:

I didn't say that the government should step in an stop it.

The press and hollywood could have a bit of restraint and not put out those stories or those types of shows.


but I thought you were against interfering in the free market...?
 
2012-12-17 10:43:26 AM  

Mentat: I also heard that he was wearing a lot of pouches, which means we need to ban Rob Liefeld.



I've been saying this for years.
 
2012-12-17 10:44:20 AM  

SnarfVader: El_Frijole_Blanco: So a Teabagger Mormon then

FTFY


I've gotta say, there are a lot of Mormon teabaggers. But we're talking about Connecticut, not Utah or Idaho or Arizona. I'll bet she was just crackers. Also, most Mormons put more emphasis on food and water storage, and sometimes even ham radio usage, than getting worked up about gun porn. The ones I know who are packing are packing silently (talked to two middle-aged Mormon ladies over the weekend who both have CCW, and you'd never guess).
 
2012-12-17 10:44:27 AM  

Diogenes: tenpoundsofcheese: Diogenes: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.

hey, I like those stories!

Yes, let's eliminate the First Amendment to protect the Second.

I didn't say that the government should step in an stop it.

The press and hollywood could have a bit of restraint and not put out those stories or those types of shows.

So could gun owners. No provision is absolute.


sure. it isn't as if there is only one thing wrong.
but the press and hollywood do seem to their end of world stories and their violent shows.
 
2012-12-17 10:51:28 AM  

SnarfVader: El_Frijole_Blanco: So a Teabagger Mormon then

FTFY


Often the same thing
 
2012-12-17 10:53:23 AM  
How exactly owning a long list of devices that are primarily designed to kill makes you safer is anyone's guess.
 
2012-12-17 10:54:28 AM  

I_C_Weener: Marcus Aurelius: Police say that when his body was found, he carried a third semi-automatic pistol in his military-style cargo pants

Clearly, we need to ban military style cargo pants.


Old Navy Surplus!



Old Navy Surplus!!!  Nothing?  Not one goddamn "funny" click?
 
2012-12-17 11:10:35 AM  

FlashHarry: SlothB77: First rule of surviving total societal breakdown: surviving until society breaks down.

wow... i actually agreed with that.


Wow, totally surprising. First rule of not starving is eating! You can get with that, right?
 
2012-12-17 11:11:33 AM  
Gee, who would have thought that being a paranoid survivalist stockpiling guns with a mentally disturbed child in the house would end up being a really stupid idea. I wish this woman wasn't dead because if her son hadn't shot her first, I'd be demanding her ass be put on trial for all 26 dead bodies her son racked up. She helped create the monster, she should have been made to pay for it.
 
2012-12-17 11:17:02 AM  

jaylectricity: FlashHarry: SlothB77: First rule of surviving total societal breakdown: surviving until society breaks down.

wow... i actually agreed with that.

Wow, totally surprising. First rule of not starving is eating! You can get with that, right?


I'm sorry, you are breaking the first rule of Eat Club.
 
2012-12-17 11:29:47 AM  

hinten: How exactly owning a long list of devices that are primarily designed to kill makes you safer is anyone's guess.


don't you watch Walking Dead?
 
2012-12-17 11:54:12 AM  

jaylectricity: Wow, totally surprising. First rule of not starving is eating! You can get with that, right?


are you familiar with SlothB77?
 
2012-12-17 11:56:24 AM  

I_C_Weener: I_C_Weener: Marcus Aurelius: Police say that when his body was found, he carried a third semi-automatic pistol in his military-style cargo pants

Clearly, we need to ban military style cargo pants.


Old Navy Surplus!


Old Navy Surplus!!!  Nothing?  Not one goddamn "funny" click?



You didn't mention the performance fleece
 
2012-12-17 11:59:22 AM  

Coco LaFemme: Gee, who would have thought that being a paranoid survivalist stockpiling guns with a mentally disturbed child in the house would end up being a really stupid idea. I wish this woman wasn't dead because if her son hadn't shot her first, I'd be demanding her ass be put on trial for all 26 dead bodies her son racked up. She helped create the monster, she should have been made to pay for it.


This 1000x times this.

The whole media "tragedy" angle is missing one fundamental fact: This family spawned this effed up asswit kid, and probably fought to keep him out of treatment or custody. Every damn one of them should be held accountable. But since justice happened to the mom, I guess we can start with the Ernst and Young VP dad. The one dumping the mom in 2009, the same year she quit her job to homeschool lil shooter Adam.
 
2012-12-17 12:12:06 PM  

Mentat: I also heard that he was wearing a lot of pouches, which means we need to ban Rob Liefeld.


I can get behind that.
 
2012-12-17 12:21:43 PM  

FlashHarry: jaylectricity: Wow, totally surprising. First rule of not starving is eating! You can get with that, right?

are you familiar with SlothB77?


Let's not do this. I said i agree with you on guns. No need to go out and discredit me yet again.
 
2012-12-17 12:21:50 PM  
I understand the gun control debate, but can we address the serious derp problem we have in this country?
 
2012-12-17 12:37:34 PM  
She could afford those guns but couldn't afford a gun safe.

Isn't it time that we paid our kindergarten teachers more?
 
2012-12-17 12:41:49 PM  
Stocking up on some extra water, easy-to-prepare food and propane canisters in anticipation of losing power for a few days when a severe storm strikes: not crazy.
Six tons of "Apocalypse Chow" and an armory a Somali warlord would beat off to so you can become Lord Humongous when the Mummy Uprising strikes (the zombies are just a ploy): crazy.
 
2012-12-17 12:43:06 PM  

FlashHarry: jaylectricity: Wow, totally surprising. First rule of not starving is eating! You can get with that, right?

are you familiar with SlothB77?


No, but it seems a bit of unnecessary trolling to call him out for saying something obvious pretending it's an opinion that he finally has that lines up with yours.

But maybe I just don't get the joke.
 
2012-12-17 12:47:20 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Stocking up on some extra water, easy-to-prepare food and propane canisters in anticipation of losing power for a few days when a severe storm strikes: not crazy.


Any given time I have around 2 weeks worth of food and water. Not because I'm a doomsday prepper, but because I live in a hurricane friendly path in summer/fall, and ice-storm happening area in winter/spring. It's just what you do.

/that and I HATE going to the grocery store every week
//plus, the only thing I normally need to go pick up before an inevitable storm is more alcohol.
 
2012-12-17 12:51:16 PM  

El_Frijole_Blanco: So a Teabagger then


How exciting for you. You must be so happy.
 
Xai
2012-12-17 12:52:22 PM  

El_Frijole_Blanco: So a Teabagger then

 
2012-12-17 12:53:25 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Diogenes: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.

hey, I like those stories!

Yes, let's eliminate the First Amendment to protect the Second.

I didn't say that the government should step in an stop it.

The press and hollywood could have a bit of restraint and not put out those stories or those types of shows.


It's fiction. When people start reacting badly IRL to fiction, the problem is not with the creators of the fiction. Hint: crazy people are crazy.
 
2012-12-17 12:53:43 PM  
So M. Night Sha-na-na-na-myolin rama ding dong is now writing scripts for reality?

It's a twissst!
 
2012-12-17 12:54:12 PM  

El_Frijole_Blanco: So a Teabagger then


lol self reliance is something a liberal will never learn.
 
2012-12-17 12:54:17 PM  
Why do I get the feeling that the"preppers" will cause the breakdown of our society?
 
2012-12-17 12:55:07 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Six tons of "Apocalypse Chow" and an armory a Somali warlord would beat off to


There is a lot of beating off going on over this whole mess.

People. This shiat happens.
You can't stop it.

We all die.
It's how we live that counts.

Hug your kids. Don't be a nutjob parent. Keep the dangerous shiat locked up.
If your kid is a dangerous shiat, keep him locked up, too.
 
2012-12-17 12:55:10 PM  

Generation_D: The whole media "tragedy" angle is missing one fundamental fact: This family spawned this effed up asswit kid, and probably fought to keep him out of treatment or custody. Every damn one of them should be held accountable. But since justice happened to the mom, I guess we can start with the Ernst and Young VP dad. The one dumping the mom in 2009, the same year she quit her job to homeschool lil shooter Adam.


Hold on, now, I'm not sure how culpable the dad is at this point. Hell, the reason for the divorce may have been *related* to the fact that the son was Looney Tunes and the mom wouldn't get help/admit it/whatever.

/Or the crazy of both of them together caused him to go "Fark this, I'm out.".
 
2012-12-17 12:55:10 PM  

coco ebert: Rich white people have lost their gotdamn minds!


You're just realizing that?.
 
2012-12-17 12:55:34 PM  
I think 'end of the world' scenarios have really warped the brains of some people in society. And all this doomsday crap is driving people to do crazy things. I wouldn't be surprised if some people snap on December 21 thinking the world is ending when really it farking isn't. Everyone seems to think the world ends on Friday but has no farking clue how it will.
 
2012-12-17 12:55:47 PM  
she was also, apparently very kind and generous so, you say tomato..

Link
 
2012-12-17 12:56:09 PM  
so having a couple hundred rounds of ammo in your house makes you a prepper?

I was a prepper and didn't even know it.
 
2012-12-17 12:56:13 PM  
I've heard so much in the news that turned out to be false about this that, I am skeptical of everything they say now.
 
2012-12-17 12:56:23 PM  
If a teacher would have been armed, he wouldn't have gotten very far.
 
2012-12-17 12:56:27 PM  
There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.
 
2012-12-17 12:57:28 PM  

TIKIMAN87: El_Frijole_Blanco: So a Teabagger then

lol self reliance is something a liberal will never learn.


Good thing that rugged survivalist was ready when a man with a gun showed up.
 
2012-12-17 12:57:33 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: She could afford those guns but couldn't afford a gun safe.

Isn't it time that we paid our kindergarten teachers more?


She wasn't a teacher, she was living on alimony.
 
2012-12-17 12:57:39 PM  
She did a shiat job of securing her weapons, then.
 
2012-12-17 12:58:03 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.


Lazy troll is extremely lazy
 
2012-12-17 12:58:14 PM  
Survivalism claims another 27 innocent victims.

When are people going to learn? NOBODY SURVIVES LIFE.

The collapse of Civilization will take down any reason you might have to survive unless you are a stone age jungle dweller or a brain dead zombie.
 
2012-12-17 12:58:16 PM  
Well there goes the theory I had about her buying the guns for the kid so he could plink. Of course this new twist is kind of worst. I supposed the next article is how she was grooming him 24/7 about the end of times coming.
 
2012-12-17 12:58:29 PM  
But is the mom hot?


dwtiitestblog1.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-17 12:58:32 PM  

TIKIMAN87: El_Frijole_Blanco: So a Teabagger then

lol self reliance is something a liberal will never learn.


She was self reliant alright, she supplied the tools of her own demise.
 
2012-12-17 12:58:47 PM  
The message is clear. Right wingers, you are the nutbag enemy of society
 
2012-12-17 12:58:59 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: The press and hollywood could have a bit of restraint and not put out those stories or those types of shows.


Restraint is un-American. Come on, you know that.
 
2012-12-17 12:59:29 PM  
Came to see if anyone else pointed out that they used the "Daily Fail" as a source for this article.

/Fark, I am dissapoint....
 
2012-12-17 12:59:32 PM  
"Whom"?

Grammar fail, subby.
 
2012-12-17 12:59:47 PM  

Sleeping Monkey: She gets the fail award of the year for believing that having assault weapons in her home would make her safe. Now that entire community is paying for her ignorance.


Not necessarily.

There are two more questions here of immediate relevance:

- Would a larger base of armed, trained citizenry prevent more deaths than these occasional outliers?
- Would a larger base of armed, trained citizenry (say, the teachers, or anyone within hearing range of the gunshots) have provided for earlier dispatch of the shooter, such that fewer deaths would have been incurred per incident?

Other questions of longer-term relevance include:

- Can we change our cultural basis to reduce the severity and frequency of these tragedies? (i.e. small children are IMMENSELY preoccupied with shooting and killing people and how awesome blowing things up is; gangsters and criminals are idolized; shooting people makes you really cool. How do we stop this from becoming the mentality of children who grow up into adults that don't always shed this mentality?)

- Can we improve mental health services to detect and treat people, such that fewer will become this unstable?

And so on.
 
2012-12-17 01:00:24 PM  

KungFuJunkie: Why do I get the feeling that the"preppers" will cause the breakdown of our society?


Self-fulfilling prophecy?
 
2012-12-17 01:00:33 PM  
I'm so glad she was able to protect herself with the guns she had...from someone with guns. That were hers. Or something.

Moar guns!

2.bp.blogspot.com
/guns guns guns
 
2012-12-17 01:00:57 PM  
FTFA: State Police Lt. Paul Vance, said: "There was a lot of ammo, a lot of clips. Certainly a lot of lives were potentially saved."

WTF?
 
2012-12-17 01:01:07 PM  
impulse101.org

/oblig
 
2012-12-17 01:01:10 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.


Without guns, the king of England could walk right in here and start pushing you around. D'you want that? Huh? Do ya?
 
2012-12-17 01:01:28 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Their basement is probably packed with food and supplies.


That she thinks will last 20 years, but really is going to last one or two. My parents have so much oat, grain, and flour, and I'm thinking... I could bake a loaf a week and go through this in a year.
 
2012-12-17 01:01:32 PM  

PreMortem: Court ordered mandatory psychological exams, then involuntary institutionalisation.

We are allowing too many whack jobs to roam freely.


Medical care? With my tax dollars? I don't think so.
 
2012-12-17 01:01:39 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.


I'm sure there are people that legally purchase their weapons, know every rule about not showing off with it, treating it like a bullet is in the chamber and lock them away in a safe place where the kids can't find them if they even tried or come across it on accident.

Unfortunately, some people aren't responsible and that has led to unnecessary harm.
 
2012-12-17 01:01:42 PM  
More proof that logistics aren't the be all end all to preparedness
 
2012-12-17 01:01:43 PM  

TIKIMAN87: El_Frijole_Blanco: So a Teabagger then

lol self reliance is something a liberal will never learn.


Looks like it paid off well for her too.
 
2012-12-17 01:02:04 PM  
To those people calling his mother out on not having a gun safe. There is nothing to say she didn't have one. She may have had trigger locks on them. But a 20 year old who lives in the house with her, who has gone to the gun range with her, will most likely know the combination to the safe and where the trigger lock key is.
 
2012-12-17 01:02:33 PM  

nitefallz: HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.

Lazy troll is extremely lazy


They're responsible right up until they stop being responsible, then people die. See James Holmes.

We should start treating them like pit bulls, really. Maybe you've got a nice one, but keep it the fark away from me and my family.
 
2012-12-17 01:02:37 PM  
WHOM???? Seriously?
 
2012-12-17 01:02:46 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.


You're not helping
 
2012-12-17 01:03:08 PM  

Mentat: I also heard that he was wearing a lot of pouches, which means we need to ban Rob Liefeld.


Now we're getting down to brass tacks.
 
2012-12-17 01:03:50 PM  

vpb: Marcus Aurelius: Police say that when his body was found, he carried a third semi-automatic pistol in his military-style cargo pants

Clearly, we need to ban military style cargo pants.

If the victims had had military style cargo pants this wouldn't have happened.


They did, but corduroy doesn't count. Too noisy.
 
2012-12-17 01:03:51 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Gee, who would have thought that being a paranoid survivalist stockpiling guns with a mentally disturbed child in the house would end up being a really stupid idea. I wish this woman wasn't dead because if her son hadn't shot her first, I'd be demanding her ass be put on trial for all 26 dead bodies her son racked up. She helped create the monster, she should have been made to pay for it.


In a way this makes more sense and I'm surprised that we haven't seen this as the cause of more shootings; if fear over the world ending was the motive for this guys shootings, he wouldn't be the first person to go on a killing spree because of that.

Whatever the reason you think the world is going to end (the Rapture, earthquakes, aliens, nuclear war, Obama, Mexicans, etc), if you spend years telling your kids that there's no hope for them to have a normal life ever, eventually you'll have people snap. I mean, why not? They've been told for years by their authority figure (be it a parent or religious leader) that there's no hope.
 
2012-12-17 01:04:00 PM  

Mentat: I also heard that he was wearing a lot of pouches, which means we need to ban Rob Liefeld.


We should just ban that dude anyway
 
2012-12-17 01:04:36 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: She could afford those guns but couldn't afford a gun safe.

Isn't it time that we paid our kindergarten teachers more?


She may have been an insane weapons hoarder spawning psycopathic children but at least she didn't show up in an adult film.

Her ass would have been canned immediately.
 
2012-12-17 01:04:53 PM  

Snarfangel: We either need to ban rich people, the unemployed, or single mothers. I'm trying to decide which.


The correct answer is D, all of the above.
 
2012-12-17 01:05:04 PM  
But remember. Requiring people to have safety locks on their guns and report them when they're lost or stolen is a grievous assault on liberty.

When the full details come out, if it turns out this kid had a known history of mental problems and/or violence AND this woman not only stockpiled guns but kept them available despite knowing about his derangement I don't think it would be a step too far for people to make the occasional pilgrimage to her grave to take a giant dump on.
 
2012-12-17 01:05:07 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.


I'll bite.

I'm in the shiat right now with my dad - he's a right wing nut who signed the secessionist bullshiat and watches Doomsday Preppers for tips. He owns a lot of guns and is a lifetime member of the NRA. I've been in a consistent, escalating fight with him for four years over the brown motherfarker in the white house, and you know what?

I am not scared of his guns.

If there is one absolute thing I believe about the giant asshole my father's become, it's that he takes his ownership of his weapons with dead seriousness. He has a gun safe with a secured lock that is updated regularly; he maintains and secures his weapons at all times, and he takes himself to the range with a trainer to keep sharp and updated on safety. I don't agree 100% with his weaponry stance (I'm more a handguns/hunting type than LET ME OWN THAT SWEET-ASS-UZI) but I respect that he's taking care of his.

Of course if the day comes he tweaks and shoots up... well, a bunch of abandoned barns and maybe a few rednecks out by him, I'll be back to go "holy shiat, I did not see that coming" and you can call me an asshole. After I drink out my spleen.
 
2012-12-17 01:05:22 PM  

BizarreMan: To those people calling his mother out on not having a gun safe. There is nothing to say she didn't have one. She may have had trigger locks on them. But a 20 year old who lives in the house with her, who has gone to the gun range with her, will most likely know the combination to the safe and where the trigger lock key is.


My thoughts exactly. The guns may have been secured against outsiders, but the son probably had access to them. Her failure was in having them in at all around what by all accounts was a very mentally ill individual.
 
2012-12-17 01:05:27 PM  

BizarreMan: To those people calling his mother out on not having a gun safe. There is nothing to say she didn't have one. She may have had trigger locks on them. But a 20 year old who lives in the house with her, who has gone to the gun range with her, will most likely know the combination to the safe and where the trigger lock key is.


No, the issue is that the kid with known mental issues knew how to get around whatever gun security she had in place. By default the gun security is shiatty because he knew how to do this.
 
2012-12-17 01:05:32 PM  

WizardofToast: I think 'end of the world' scenarios have really warped the brains of some people in society. And all this doomsday crap is driving people to do crazy things. I wouldn't be surprised if some people snap on December 21 thinking the world is ending when really it farking isn't. Everyone seems to think the world ends on Friday but has no farking clue how it will.


On December 18th, a giant, angry face will appear on the moon.
 
2012-12-17 01:06:03 PM  
Great, his mom was a farking right wing nutjob, thinking the government was after them, and they had to prepare for the coming decay of polite society. Stupid biatch. Everybody knows that it's ZOMBIES we have to be prepared for.
 
2012-12-17 01:06:19 PM  
Remember when Giffard was shot and right wingers had to suddenly back paddle on "lock and load" and maps with gunsights (or something that looks suspiciously like gunsights to every one who is not a Republican lawyer)?

Well, this times ten thousand.

Not only will we have to listen to them whine as they do every time their consensual reality is punctured by the Great Conspiracy of Reality Against Paranoid Partisans (G-CRAPP), but now mean, evil lieberals will be pointing out the insanity of the Great Liberal Apocalyptic Doom (GLAD) they have been preaching with increasing furvor since they realized that demographics and the economy have betrayed them and time is now the enemy.

To quote the great Zen philosopher Grr "Hooray! We're all doomed!"

Sign me up! This should be as much fun as a barrel of live fish and a shotgun.
 
2012-12-17 01:06:23 PM  

Felgraf: WizardofToast: I think 'end of the world' scenarios have really warped the brains of some people in society. And all this doomsday crap is driving people to do crazy things. I wouldn't be surprised if some people snap on December 21 thinking the world is ending when really it farking isn't. Everyone seems to think the world ends on Friday but has no farking clue how it will.

On December 18th, a giant, angry face will appear on the moon.


Dawn of the 5th Day.
 
2012-12-17 01:06:27 PM  

kronicfeld: If only she had more guns, she might've been safer.


bravo ( golf clap, zero sarcasm )
 
2012-12-17 01:06:28 PM  

Mentat: I also heard that he was wearing a lot of pouches, which means we need to ban Rob Liefeld.


If his shoe size is a 3, I'll consider it.
 
2012-12-17 01:06:48 PM  
Besides, we've been assured by one of the good Republican Representatives from Texas that if she had been allowed to carry one of her AR-15 knockoffs with her at school, she could have prevented all of this.
 
2012-12-17 01:07:04 PM  

birchman: HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.

You're not helping


Helping what?
 
2012-12-17 01:07:04 PM  
Guess she didnt prep for this. When I heard she didnt have a job and saw the house I figured she must be getting some serious alimony from the VP dad. You know its a farked up family when the older brother said he didnt have any contact with his brother for over 2 years. Me and my brother talk all the time and at least see each other once a month.
 
2012-12-17 01:07:44 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: nitefallz: HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.

Lazy troll is extremely lazy

They're responsible right up until they stop being responsible, then people die. See James Holmes.

We should start treating them like pit bulls, really. Maybe you've got a nice one, but keep it the fark away from me and my family.


Great, now you've let all the criminals know that you can't defend your family. Don't let people know you're not armed.

/do you not lock your doors either?
 
2012-12-17 01:07:48 PM  

bulldg4life: She did a shiat job of securing her weapons, then.


How do we know? For all we know, she stored the guns in a safe, and the son stole the key while she was sleeping.
 
2012-12-17 01:08:17 PM  

KhamanV: After I drink out my spleen.


That made me chuckle. I don't feel good about that.
 
2012-12-17 01:08:57 PM  

Diogenes: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.

hey, I like those stories!

Yes, let's eliminate the First Amendment to protect the Second.


We all have to make sacrifices.

/when the protectionists are done attacking gun owners, who do you think they'll go after next?
/someone's got to take the manufactured blame.
 
2012-12-17 01:09:07 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.


The sad part would be if the TV show "revolution" caused her to believe this.

Sad because the show is so terrible.
 
2012-12-17 01:09:54 PM  

minoridiot: Since she divorced Peter, Nancy has had no need to work because she receives $200,000 in support from Peter Lanza

2%er problems.


So...no more child payments?
 
2012-12-17 01:10:07 PM  

SubjectVerb: HotWingConspiracy: nitefallz: HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.

Lazy troll is extremely lazy

They're responsible right up until they stop being responsible, then people die. See James Holmes.

We should start treating them like pit bulls, really. Maybe you've got a nice one, but keep it the fark away from me and my family.

Great, now you've let all the criminals know that you can't defend your family. Don't let people know you're not armed.

/do you not lock your doors either?


Nope, my apartment is unlocked and it's 20 miles away.
 
2012-12-17 01:10:08 PM  

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.

hey, I like those stories!

on a more serious note - not all preppers are crazy, but a lot of crazy people are preppers. given the situation after hurricane katrina or again after hurricane sandy...preparing for a long term disruption of power and food distribution systems is starting to look like plain common sense and not an indication of crazy loonie toons insanity.


sounds pretty horrible to me, i mean after society collapses you'll have crazy people murdering others for their food because they were too paranoid to think past a week worth of supplies

i mean the reality is paranoid people don't think right, they don't have the ability to actually plan ahead - hence why they stockpile so many weapons but all they end up doing is just going on killing sprees - they don't actually know what they're doing or why
 
2012-12-17 01:10:15 PM  

dittybopper: bulldg4life: She did a shiat job of securing her weapons, then.

How do we know? For all we know, she stored the guns in a safe, and the son stole the key while she was sleeping.


Which would be a shiatty job of securing her weapons.
 
2012-12-17 01:10:26 PM  

birchman: HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.

You're not helping


Maybe fewer people would feel that way about gun owners if every simple little attempt at keeping guns out of the hands of lunatics like this kid, "the Joker" in Aurora and Seung-Hui Cho wasn't met by "responsible gun owners" unleashing a massive backlash of righteous indignation.

I mean, seriously. It's too much to ask that you should have to register a firearm, report it if its gets lost of stolen and keep it locked away so that it can't be taken and used against someone else?

To the "responsible gun owners" the answer to all three is not just "yes", but "YES AND IF YOU DISAGREE YOU HATE FREEDOM YOU STUPID COMMIE PINKO!!!111"

So, yea. Havin' a hard time finding these alleged "responsible gun owners" anywhere in this debate.
 
2012-12-17 01:10:46 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Coco LaFemme: Gee, who would have thought that being a paranoid survivalist stockpiling guns with a mentally disturbed child in the house would end up being a really stupid idea. I wish this woman wasn't dead because if her son hadn't shot her first, I'd be demanding her ass be put on trial for all 26 dead bodies her son racked up. She helped create the monster, she should have been made to pay for it.

In a way this makes more sense and I'm surprised that we haven't seen this as the cause of more shootings; if fear over the world ending was the motive for this guys shootings, he wouldn't be the first person to go on a killing spree because of that.

Whatever the reason you think the world is going to end (the Rapture, earthquakes, aliens, nuclear war, Obama, Mexicans, etc), if you spend years telling your kids that there's no hope for them to have a normal life ever, eventually you'll have people snap. I mean, why not? They've been told for years by their authority figure (be it a parent or religious leader) that there's no hope.


There have been a number recent militia plots to kill law enforcement officers and Sovereign Citizens have killed a number of police officers recently. It just doesn't get any national media attention because it happens in flyover country. The plotters typically get caught because they don't know the first rule about fight club. Check this out. What's unusually about the Newtown shooting was that schools kids were targeted instead of a representative of the Federal Government.
 
GCD
2012-12-17 01:10:51 PM  
It might be going out on a limb here, but the more of this story that emerges, the more this sounds like a "December 21st preemptive strike" type scenario.

If she was a part of this "Doomsday Prepper movement", then one could safely assume that she was stockpiling for end of the world. That would rationally explain the copious amounts of ammo that has reportedly been found.

Now add into the mix a person with an unknown medical condition(s) who has probably be brought up to believe that the world was is ending on December 21st and you have yourself a volatile powder keg that was just waiting for a spark to explode.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they discover that the person responsible somehow thought that by killing people before the end of the world, he was somehow doing them a favor and "saving" them from a worse fate on December 21st.

Given the information that continues to emerge here, the whole thing seems pretty plausible.
 
2012-12-17 01:10:53 PM  

hinten: How exactly owning a long list of devices that are primarily designed to kill makes you safer is anyone's guess.


Tactical ability to return fire or respond to detected intrusion with a first strike.

What makes the community safer is being able to collectively neutralize a threat. In other words: the community is unsafe when a random single person is able to systematically rape/mug/murder people; the individual is unsafe when such an attacker gains first strike (you can't draw a gun if you have a gun pointed in your face, you get shot; hell, it's easy to just grab someone's gun away from them when they reach for the hip, if you can grapple with them competently); but if the attacker shoots you and the people in hearing range have guns, several will take their guns out and come find the attacker--either apprehend or kill. You might be dead, but his next victim... will not be a thing.

Essentially it's the same idea as a police force, except we put guns in the hands of more people. We're supposed to psychologically evaluate people and put some restrictions on who can have a gun; just like with the police force, this often fails (it fails a LOT in some police forces, to the point that the only people who want to be cops are cliqy assholes that want to feel important). Ideally, we make it a statistics problem: the system should be self-regulating, such that there's enough benefit to diminish the negative consequences below what occurs otherwise.

That's the theory. Impact has to do with culture--criminal culture, peoples' willingness to fight back, saturation (if more than a few but still not enough people have guns, criminals just arms-race by becoming more violent), and so on.
 
2012-12-17 01:11:02 PM  

utahraptor2: If a teacher would have been armed, he wouldn't have gotten very far.


Yeah, that's a quality I look for in my kids' teachers. A good shot. What could possibly go wrong?

BizarreMan: To those people calling his mother out on not having a gun safe. There is nothing to say she didn't have one. She may have had trigger locks on them. But a 20 year old who lives in the house with her, who has gone to the gun range with her, will most likely know the combination to the safe and where the trigger lock key is.


There's nothing saying she had trigger locks or tiny fairies watching them for her either. A gun safe your kid knows the combo to is a cabinet, not a safe.
 
2012-12-17 01:11:07 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Gee, who would have thought that being a paranoid survivalist stockpiling guns with a mentally disturbed child in the house would end up being a really stupid idea. I wish this woman wasn't dead because if her son hadn't shot her first, I'd be demanding her ass be put on trial for all 26 dead bodies her son racked up. She helped create the monster, she should have been made to pay for it.


THIS

And sadly, it's too soon or too sad to call her a dumbass because polite society says she should be pitied for dying horribly at the hands of her own child. No. fark her. And somebody on teevee no doubt put that B-52 loadfull of weapons grade derp in her pathetic brain. I'd love to know where she acquired that bs.
 
2012-12-17 01:11:15 PM  

RexTalionis: Mentat: I also heard that he was wearing a lot of pouches, which means we need to ban Rob Liefeld.

I can get behind that.


Sign me up for that petition!

Ban Liefeld!

/You know, for the kids.
 
2012-12-17 01:11:20 PM  
First rule of being liberal: hate the parts of the Constitution that your friends, teachers, and television tell you to hate

Second rule of being liberal: blame Conservativism and capitalism for everything that goes wrong, including hurricanes, economic collapses, and insane people who butcher innocents

Third rule of being liberal: if you must defend insane people who butcher innocents, make sure they're middle eastern, then sympathize with their plight and how they're treated in captivity

And finally, the fourth rule, read Fark, dailykos, huffington post, basically any site where you can congregate with other liberals and congratulate each other for how much smarter and tolerant you are, tolerant of everyone that beileves what you believe, that is.
 
2012-12-17 01:11:32 PM  

dittybopper: bulldg4life: She did a shiat job of securing her weapons, then.

How do we know? For all we know, she stored the guns in a safe, and the son stole the key while she was sleeping.


Even so, a shiat job securing her weapons.
 
2012-12-17 01:11:34 PM  

SubjectVerb: HotWingConspiracy: nitefallz: HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.

Lazy troll is extremely lazy

They're responsible right up until they stop being responsible, then people die. See James Holmes.

We should start treating them like pit bulls, really. Maybe you've got a nice one, but keep it the fark away from me and my family.

Great, now you've let all the criminals know that you can't defend your family. Don't let people know you're not armed.

/do you not lock your doors either?


Do you honestly, sincerely believe that your area is full of people waiting to bust down your door, steal everything you own and rape you, the second they find out there's no guns in your home?

How do you avoid wetting yourself every time you step outside?
 
2012-12-17 01:12:02 PM  

utahraptor2: If a teacher would have been armed, he wouldn't have gotten very far.


This
 
2012-12-17 01:12:15 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: But remember. Requiring people to have safety locks on their guns and report them when they're lost or stolen is a grievous assault on liberty.


Quite literally, you are correct: The Supreme Court has ruled that requiring that guns be inoperable is a violation of the Second Amendment. It's settled law.

As for reporting them lost or stolen, that's hard to do with your face shot off.
 
2012-12-17 01:12:55 PM  

KhamanV: HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.

I'll bite.

I'm in the shiat right now with my dad - he's a right wing nut who signed the secessionist bullshiat and watches Doomsday Preppers for tips. He owns a lot of guns and is a lifetime member of the NRA. I've been in a consistent, escalating fight with him for four years over the brown motherfarker in the white house, and you know what?


What...that he's not on medication? Didn't see that one coming.
 
2012-12-17 01:13:12 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: Because People in power are Stupid: She could afford those guns but couldn't afford a gun safe.
Isn't it time that we paid our kindergarten teachers more?
She wasn't a teacher, she was living on alimony.


Oh well then--she deserved to die. She had more money than you, and she didn't earn it the way you think she should have. Glad we got that out of the way.
 
2012-12-17 01:13:53 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: We should start treating them like pit bulls, really. Maybe you've got a nice one, but keep it the fark away from me and my family.


4.bp.blogspot.com

What a pit bull might look like.
 
2012-12-17 01:13:57 PM  
Phineas, now that you've got that strawman out of your system, care to make a contribution that isn't a pile of steaming derp?
 
2012-12-17 01:13:59 PM  

DoctorCal: /oblig


Unless he grounds himself, he'll be fine.
 
2012-12-17 01:14:10 PM  

H31N0US: dittybopper: bulldg4life: She did a shiat job of securing her weapons, then.

How do we know? For all we know, she stored the guns in a safe, and the son stole the key while she was sleeping.

Even so, a shiat job securing her weapons.


That's an assumption based on no evidence.
What we do know is that she did a shiat job raising her son.
 
2012-12-17 01:14:11 PM  
As she laid there in bed with her son pointing a rifle at her, I wonder what the last thing that went through her mind was.
 
2012-12-17 01:14:39 PM  

NightOwl2255: dittybopper: bulldg4life: She did a shiat job of securing her weapons, then.

How do we know? For all we know, she stored the guns in a safe, and the son stole the key while she was sleeping.

Which would be a shiatty job of securing her weapons.


I would almost bet that her son had his own key, just in case the evil conspiracies started coming through the door.

I'm guessing someone so focused on the pretend fantasies they're preparing for in their own head isn't going to be a very attentive parent.
 
2012-12-17 01:14:41 PM  

TIKIMAN87: El_Frijole_Blanco: So a Teabagger then

lol self reliance is something a liberal will never learn.


I was raised working the family cattle ranch (grazeland not that Midwest shiat) I also hunt. Spend a month in the saddle at the south end of the Mogollon rim and ask me about self reliance

Fark Independants® ... they think they know what self reliance is
 
2012-12-17 01:14:48 PM  

hammettman: Coco LaFemme: Gee, who would have thought that being a paranoid survivalist stockpiling guns with a mentally disturbed child in the house would end up being a really stupid idea. I wish this woman wasn't dead because if her son hadn't shot her first, I'd be demanding her ass be put on trial for all 26 dead bodies her son racked up. She helped create the monster, she should have been made to pay for it.

THIS

And sadly, it's too soon or too sad to call her a dumbass because polite society says she should be pitied for dying horribly at the hands of her own child. No. fark her. And somebody on teevee no doubt put that B-52 loadfull of weapons grade derp in her pathetic brain. I'd love to know where she acquired that bs.


This is just plain stupid. Dems will just use this as mare ammo to chip away at rights. As terrible as this tragedy is, using it to erode the constitution is a slipper slope.

Cars kill far more people each year. Ban them too?

If you want to fix the problem, start being tough parents again. But liberals don't believe in that. Further left we go, the worse society gets.
 
2012-12-17 01:15:52 PM  

Phineas: tolerant of everyone that beileves what you believe, that is.


Yeah, 'cause the Right is so well known for tolerance for others' beliefs.

www.rawstory.com

/go sit in the corner, dumbass.
 
2012-12-17 01:15:59 PM  

cryinoutloud: Wolf_Blitzer: Because People in power are Stupid: She could afford those guns but couldn't afford a gun safe.
Isn't it time that we paid our kindergarten teachers more?
She wasn't a teacher, she was living on alimony.

Oh well then--she deserved to die. She had more money than you, and she didn't earn it the way you think she should have. Glad we got that out of the way.


I hope you get paid to jump to conclusions, because its the only thing you seem to be good at. I made no judgements on her lifestyle, simply corrected some misinformation. The early reports were all that she was a teacher at the targeted school, which wasn't the case.
 
2012-12-17 01:16:09 PM  

bluefoxicy: HotWingConspiracy: We should start treating them like pit bulls, really. Maybe you've got a nice one, but keep it the fark away from me and my family.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 432x223]

What a pit bull might look like.


Oh look you found a mean dog that isn't a pit bull.
 
2012-12-17 01:17:02 PM  

meatsack_01: utahraptor2: If a teacher would have been armed, he wouldn't have gotten very far.

This



Came for derp.. Found it.. Leaving satisfied.
 
2012-12-17 01:17:13 PM  

Crewmannumber6: she was also, apparently very kind and generous so, you say tomato..

Link


And a barfly!
 
2012-12-17 01:17:15 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.


I have 2 guns, a shotgun and a rifle, both of which I iniherited from my father. They've been locked in a safe for 30 years, until a month ago when there was an escaped prisoner loose in our neighborhood. I got out the shotgun, loaded it with the chamber empty, and kept it with me until we got the all clear, at which time I unloaded it and locked it back in the safe. untilk that night, my kids didn't know that I had any guns.

You Sir, are an idiot.
 
2012-12-17 01:17:19 PM  
"Mrs Lanza, 52, was a 'prepper' - so called because they are preparing for a breakdown in civilized society - who apparently became obsessed with guns and taught Adam and his older brother, Ryan, how to shoot, even taking them to local ranges."

Oh my what a horrible, horrible person. She even took them to shooting ranges? Why not puppy farms with bounce houses?
 
2012-12-17 01:17:28 PM  

Generation_D: Coco LaFemme: Gee, who would have thought that being a paranoid survivalist stockpiling guns with a mentally disturbed child in the house would end up being a really stupid idea. I wish this woman wasn't dead because if her son hadn't shot her first, I'd be demanding her ass be put on trial for all 26 dead bodies her son racked up. She helped create the monster, she should have been made to pay for it.

This 1000x times this.

The whole media "tragedy" angle is missing one fundamental fact: This family spawned this effed up asswit kid, and probably fought to keep him out of treatment or custody. Every damn one of them should be held accountable. But since justice happened to the mom, I guess we can start with the Ernst and Young VP dad. The one dumping the mom in 2009, the same year she quit her job to homeschool lil shooter Adam.


You're ignoring the fact that he was treated as an outcast at school. Bullying is probably what created this kid, compounded by being an aspie and his mother going paranoid, it isn't surprising, but I imagine other kids bullying him are the root cause.
 
2012-12-17 01:17:41 PM  

Phineas: First rule of being liberal: hate the parts of the Constitution that your friends, teachers, and television tell you to hate

Second rule of being liberal: blame Conservativism and capitalism for everything that goes wrong, including hurricanes, economic collapses, and insane people who butcher innocents

Third rule of being liberal: if you must defend insane people who butcher innocents, make sure they're middle eastern, then sympathize with their plight and how they're treated in captivity

And finally, the fourth rule, read Fark, dailykos, huffington post, basically any site where you can congregate with other liberals and congratulate each other for how much smarter and tolerant you are, tolerant of everyone that beileves what you believe, that is.


Step 5: fart in your Toyota Prius and bask in how great your fart smells.
 
2012-12-17 01:17:44 PM  

hinten: How exactly owning a long list of devices that are primarily designed to kill makes you safer is anyone's guess.


Perhaps you should pose your inquiry to the Pentagon?
 
2012-12-17 01:17:47 PM  
Preppers are just stockpiling food, ammo and women for me to come along and take from them.
 
2012-12-17 01:18:03 PM  

whyRpeoplesostupid: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.


Agreed


Until mankind is peaceful enough not to have violence on the news, there's no point in taking it out of shows that need it for entertainment value.
 
2012-12-17 01:18:05 PM  
Is this the thread where we blame a victim instead of the farking whackjob that murdered all those children?
 
2012-12-17 01:18:18 PM  

hammettman: Crewmannumber6: she was also, apparently very kind and generous so, you say tomato..

Link

And a barfly!


Had a social life, yes. Barfly is a stretch.
 
2012-12-17 01:18:26 PM  
Good Idea: Being prepared for possible disasters
Bad Idea: Being a prepper because the wrong guy was elected President again for the 22nd time

Good idea: Living for the advancement of Civilization
Bad Idea: Being enamoured of the idea of living without Civilization

Good Idea: Keeping enough guns and ammo to maintain order in the event of a temporary collapse of civil order
Bad Idea: Letting the loonies and the political extremists keep enough guns and ammo to cause a temporary collapse of civil order

Good Idea: Making War on the commercialization and political exploitation of Christmas
Bad Idea: Making War on those who don't give a damn about Christmas

Good Idea: Learning from past disasters to prepare for future disasters before they are upon you
Bad Idiea: Learning about future disasters from demogogues and political and religious cranks

Good idea: Assuming that half the US population is completely insane
Bad Idea: Assuming you can tell which half that is
 
2012-12-17 01:18:39 PM  

Thunderpipes: hammettman: Coco LaFemme: Gee, who would have thought that being a paranoid survivalist stockpiling guns with a mentally disturbed child in the house would end up being a really stupid idea. I wish this woman wasn't dead because if her son hadn't shot her first, I'd be demanding her ass be put on trial for all 26 dead bodies her son racked up. She helped create the monster, she should have been made to pay for it.

THIS

And sadly, it's too soon or too sad to call her a dumbass because polite society says she should be pitied for dying horribly at the hands of her own child. No. fark her. And somebody on teevee no doubt put that B-52 loadfull of weapons grade derp in her pathetic brain. I'd love to know where she acquired that bs.

This is just plain stupid. Dems will just use this as mare ammo to chip away at rights. As terrible as this tragedy is, using it to erode the constitution is a slipper slope.

Cars kill far more people each year. Ban them too?

If you want to fix the problem, start being tough parents again. But liberals don't believe in that. Further left we go, the worse society gets.



Yes, start beating the severely mentally ill child with access to an arsenal, thats guaranteed to fix things.

How can you sincerely believe that massacres like this are an acceptable price to pay for your "right" to own instruments of death?
 
2012-12-17 01:18:44 PM  

thornhill: Satanic_Hamster: Coco LaFemme: Gee, who would have thought that being a paranoid survivalist stockpiling guns with a mentally disturbed child in the house would end up being a really stupid idea. I wish this woman wasn't dead because if her son hadn't shot her first, I'd be demanding her ass be put on trial for all 26 dead bodies her son racked up. She helped create the monster, she should have been made to pay for it.

In a way this makes more sense and I'm surprised that we haven't seen this as the cause of more shootings; if fear over the world ending was the motive for this guys shootings, he wouldn't be the first person to go on a killing spree because of that.

Whatever the reason you think the world is going to end (the Rapture, earthquakes, aliens, nuclear war, Obama, Mexicans, etc), if you spend years telling your kids that there's no hope for them to have a normal life ever, eventually you'll have people snap. I mean, why not? They've been told for years by their authority figure (be it a parent or religious leader) that there's no hope.

There have been a number recent militia plots to kill law enforcement officers and Sovereign Citizens have killed a number of police officers recently. It just doesn't get any national media attention because it happens in flyover country. The plotters typically get caught because they don't know the first rule about fight club. Check this out. What's unusually about the Newtown shooting was that schools kids were targeted instead of a representative of the Federal Government.


Link is to my local area. No one here was ever afraid of this "militia", save one of it's own members and his girlfriend, who they offed, thus ruining their own plans.
 
2012-12-17 01:18:44 PM  

nitefallz: HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.

Lazy troll is extremely lazy


Yeah, -3
 
2012-12-17 01:18:48 PM  

Heathen: so having a couple hundred rounds of ammo in your house makes you a prepper?

I was a prepper and didn't even know it.


If that's the case, I'm an international small dealer.

\I get a call from Midsouth every time I order.... "Hey Fapp, did you actually order 40,000 pistol primers or did your cat step on the zero key?"
 
2012-12-17 01:18:51 PM  

El_Frijole_Blanco: So a Teabagger then

 

I live with my mom
 
2012-12-17 01:19:00 PM  
"I'll use what it takes to get by"

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-17 01:19:01 PM  
I used to run into numerous whack-jobs like this when I was a NRA member.

/One of the reasons I quit the NRA
 
2012-12-17 01:19:11 PM  

JRoo: I would almost bet that her son had his own key, just in case the evil conspiracies started coming through the door.

I'm guessing someone so focused on the pretend fantasies they're preparing for in their own head isn't going to be a very attentive parent.


Very likely. But, if she had them "locked up", like from him, and he was able to get to them, that's pretty obviously a shiatty job of locking them up.
 
2012-12-17 01:19:12 PM  
Events like this make me glad of the system we have in Canada. We have more guns per capita then the US but handguns are restricted to sport shooters with a special license and fully automatic weapons are banned.

What is more vital and in my opinion the best way of controlling insane behavior like this but without having to restrict the right of hunters and sport shooters is the limit we have on magazine size. It is illegal in Canada to sell a magazine larger then 5 rounds. This by definition slows down the ability of someone to cause one of these tragedies and does not affect hunters. (seriously if you need more then 5 shots the deer is gone man).

To me this seems an easy thing to do to protect peoples rights and protect the rest of us from those people expressing their rights.
 
2012-12-17 01:19:28 PM  

fappomatic: Heathen: so having a couple hundred rounds of ammo in your house makes you a prepper?

I was a prepper and didn't even know it.

If that's the case, I'm an international small arms dealer.

\I get a call from Midsouth every time I order.... "Hey Fapp, did you actually order 40,000 pistol primers or did your cat step on the zero key?"


FTFM...damned codeine cough syrup.
 
2012-12-17 01:19:39 PM  

Crewmannumber6: HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.

I have 2 guns, a shotgun and a rifle, both of which I iniherited from my father. They've been locked in a safe for 30 years, until a month ago when there was an escaped prisoner loose in our neighborhood. I got out the shotgun, loaded it with the chamber empty, and kept it with me until we got the all clear, at which time I unloaded it and locked it back in the safe. untilk that night, my kids didn't know that I had any guns.

You Sir, are an idiot.


Hopefully one day you don't decide to off your wife and kids and shoot up your workplace. Because you might, at any point for any reason.

Basically I'll reserve judgement on your level of responsibility until after you die. Then we can look at totals.
 
2012-12-17 01:19:47 PM  

meatsack_01: utahraptor2: If a teacher would have been armed, he wouldn't have gotten very far.
This


That's the solution, for sure--have every person in the public eye be heavily armed. Is it fun going around thinking that the best way to run our society is by acting like we're in a constant state of civil war? Maybe if you live in fantasy-land, which I"m convinced a lot of you guys do.
 
2012-12-17 01:19:52 PM  
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2012-12-17 01:20:22 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Sleeping Monkey: She gets the fail award of the year for believing that having assault weapons in her home would make her safe. Now that entire community is paying for her ignorance.

If she had them properly secured in a gun safe, she wouldn't have been able to get them out in time to repel the coming North Korean invasion.


AVENGE ME SON!!!!! AVEEEEEEEEEENGEEEEE MEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
 
2012-12-17 01:20:49 PM  

Mattyb710: Is this the thread where we blame a victim instead of the farking whackjob that murdered all those children?


The victim trained and supplied the whackjob.
 
2012-12-17 01:21:05 PM  
Ceiling Cat needs to stop watching people masturbate and start smiting massacrer'ers before they massacre.
 
2012-12-17 01:21:11 PM  

dittybopper: Vegan Meat Popsicle: But remember. Requiring people to have safety locks on their guns and report them when they're lost or stolen is a grievous assault on liberty.

Quite literally, you are correct: The Supreme Court has ruled that requiring that guns be inoperable is a violation of the Second Amendment. It's settled law.

As for reporting them lost or stolen, that's hard to do with your face shot off.


Hardly unique among the stupid decisions made throughout the Court's history, but it doesn't preclude requiring that the guns be secured.

dittybopper: As for reporting them lost or stolen, that's hard to do with your face shot off.


Ah, yes. You must be another one of those "responsible gun owners" I keep hearing about. A man in a perpetual state of pants-wetting paranoia about the very low possibility that somebody might break into his occupied home and attempt to harm him or his family.

Meanwhile, I"m sure you drive somewhere on almost a daily basis. A routine act of willing submission to a much, MUCH greater risk of harm than the possibility of some skeery thug the size of a barn breaking in your front door and trying to kill you.

Keep on 'derpin. Ain't nothing like nine to ten thousand firearms deaths a year as payment for you to keep pretending you're Mad Farking Max.
 
2012-12-17 01:21:13 PM  
i1253.photobucket.com
It takes a human to commit the act. Do you blame the alcohol or the car for a drunk driving death? Of course the super libtard will reflect on soldiers using guns in battle. Are you then calling the people that defend us murderers?
Wake up leftys, evil people do evil things! Don't blame the tool for the destruction.
 
2012-12-17 01:21:21 PM  

meatsack_01: [causes-prod.caudn.com image 640x636]


Funny - last week the Right felt that public school teachers were worthless moochers off the teat of the Job Creators. This week, they want them all carrying assault rifles.
 
2012-12-17 01:21:36 PM  

Coco LaFemme: She helped create the monster, she should have been made to pay for it.


Well, actually, she did.
 
2012-12-17 01:21:44 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Crewmannumber6: HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.

I have 2 guns, a shotgun and a rifle, both of which I iniherited from my father. They've been locked in a safe for 30 years, until a month ago when there was an escaped prisoner loose in our neighborhood. I got out the shotgun, loaded it with the chamber empty, and kept it with me until we got the all clear, at which time I unloaded it and locked it back in the safe. untilk that night, my kids didn't know that I had any guns.

You Sir, are an idiot.

Hopefully one day you don't decide to off your wife and kids and shoot up your workplace. Because you might, at any point for any reason.

Basically I'll reserve judgement on your level of responsibility until after you die. Then we can look at totals.


Glad to see you're keeping an open mind
 
2012-12-17 01:22:31 PM  

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.

hey, I like those stories!

on a more serious note - not all preppers are crazy, but a lot of crazy people are preppers. given the situation after hurricane katrina or again after hurricane sandy...preparing for a long term disruption of power and food distribution systems is starting to look like plain common sense and not an indication of crazy loonie toons insanity.


There is a big difference between being prepared for a disaster and being a "prepper." We live in SoCal, so I have a cupboard of canned food and bottled water that could feed us for about 2 weeks in case of an earthquake or other disaster. "Preppers," the type my parents are, think the apocalypse is nigh and hoard mounds of ammo, food, fuel, and make survival backpacks. My dad made us all backpacks when I was a teen that contained binoculars, water proof matches, a gas mask, MREs, you name it. He also thinks that when the world collapses, gold will be useful but ammo will be currency, so he has a reload kit. He has lists of things to prep with that he has printed from WND. Whackados, the lot of them.
 
2012-12-17 01:22:40 PM  

Generation_D: I guess we can start with the Ernst and Young VP dad. The one dumping the mom in 2009, the same year she quit her job to homeschool lil shooter Adam.


Because removing crazy people from your life means you are culpable for their actions forever afterward.

/is what a dumbshiat thinks
 
2012-12-17 01:22:40 PM  

meatsack_01: [causes-prod.caudn.com image 640x636]


Good luck threatening death to people planning to kill themselves in an attack.
 
2012-12-17 01:22:46 PM  

Phineas: congregate with other liberals


Wow, haven't heard the Liberal Hivemind™ canard in awhile.
 
2012-12-17 01:22:49 PM  

NightOwl2255: dittybopper: bulldg4life: She did a shiat job of securing her weapons, then.

How do we know? For all we know, she stored the guns in a safe, and the son stole the key while she was sleeping.

Which would be a shiatty job of securing her weapons.


OK, so what *WOULD* be a good job? Give me a foolproof method to keep a deranged family member from opening a gun safe.

I have a decent enough gun safe at home. Nothing fancy, but it's all metal, and it's got a lock on it, and 10 minutes with a sawsall and I could open it up without the key. I could probably pick the lock in about the same amount of time, but that includes improvising a rake and a tension lever out of paper clips. It would be quieter, though.

Fact is, short of installing a bank vault, there isn't much you can do to stop something like this: It was undoubtedly planned in advance. With advance planning, I could get a duplicate key made. All I need to know is the key blank number, and a quick outline of the key traced on paper: I did that myself as a teenager to make a key for the "senior lounge" at my school. Using a file, it took me all of 20 minutes to make a duplicate by hand, and I only had the original in my possession for about 30 seconds.

Of course, it's possible she didn't have a gun safe either.

My point is that just because her 20 year old son, who lived in the house, figured out how to get the guns, that doesn't necessarily mean they weren't properly secured.
 
2012-12-17 01:22:58 PM  
Wolf_blitzer

Just callin 'em as I sees 'em. This thread (and the article) contain mostly liberals who confuse the tools used to perpetrate the crime with the mental condition of the people who perpetrate them. This kid could've just as easily driven a truck through the side of the building and crushed a classroom. In fact, that would've been easier. But yeah, its easier to blame guns.

I figured you liberals would enjoy knowing how I see you, as hand-wringing hens that flock together and come to irrational conclusions based on the facts at hand. And if there's something you can't quite grasp, you check with other liberals to find out what it is you should be thinking.
 
2012-12-17 01:23:07 PM  

Launch Code: [i1253.photobucket.com image 201x251]
It takes a human to commit the act. Do you blame the alcohol or the car for a drunk driving death? Of course the super libtard will reflect on soldiers using guns in battle. Are you then calling the people that defend us murderers?
Wake up leftys, evil people do evil things! Don't blame the tool for the destruction.


I keep seeing derp like this. Tell me - what is a firearm a "tool" for, other than the infliction of death or the threat of death?
 
2012-12-17 01:23:11 PM  

probesport: "Mrs Lanza, 52, was a 'prepper' - so called because they are preparing for a breakdown in civilized society - who apparently became obsessed with guns and taught Adam and his older brother, Ryan, how to shoot, even taking them to local ranges."

Oh my what a horrible, horrible person. She even took them to shooting ranges? Why not puppy farms with bounce houses?


Why not puppy farms with bounce houses?

Maybe he would rather have gone there but she wouldn't take him and made him learn how to be an efficient killer instead.

I think most people are pretty crazy until they reach about their upper twenties.
 
2012-12-17 01:23:38 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese:

The press and hollywood could have a bit of restraint and not put out those stories or those types of shows.


So tell me, what types of "stories" do you approve of? You're living proof that true believers are at best joyless douchebags
 
2012-12-17 01:24:12 PM  

meatsack_01: [causes-prod.caudn.com image 640x636]


You mean before or after somebody gets shot by accident, Louie?

Launch Code: Don't blame the tool for the destruction.


Don't worry, we don't blame you.
 
2012-12-17 01:24:20 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Sleeping Monkey: She gets the fail award of the year for believing that having assault weapons in her home would make her safe. Now that entire community is paying for her ignorance.

If she had them properly secured in a gun safe, she wouldn't have been able to get them out in time to repel the coming North Korean invasion.


I've never under stood the 'ever armed' argument since it completely contradicts 'all guns were locked up safe and sound' argument.

Then again I'm trying to assign logic to Tea Party Patriots (aka 'nuts')
 
2012-12-17 01:24:25 PM  
Thunderpipes: hammettman: Coco LaFemme: Gee, who would have thought that being a paranoid survivalist stockpiling guns with a mentally disturbed child in the house would end up being a really stupid idea. I wish this woman wasn't dead because if her son hadn't shot her first, I'd be demanding her ass be put on trial for all 26 dead bodies her son racked up. She helped create the monster, she should have been made to pay for it.

THIS

And sadly, it's too soon or too sad to call her a dumbass because polite society says she should be pitied for dying horribly at the hands of her own child. No. fark her. And somebody on teevee no doubt put that B-52 loadfull of weapons grade derp in her pathetic brain. I'd love to know where she acquired that bs.

This is just plain stupid. Dems will just use this as mare ammo to chip away at rights. As terrible as this tragedy is, using it to erode the constitution is a slipper slope.

Cars kill far more people each year. Ban them too?

If you want to fix the problem, start being tough parents again. But liberals don't believe in that. Further left we go, the worse society gets.


Hey, I thought all liberals were pro-abortion? What is tougher parenting than vaccuuming out the little psycho before he even hits daylight??

If you have to beat them, it's too late to do any good.
 
2012-12-17 01:24:30 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: Do you honestly, sincerely believe that your area is full of people waiting to bust down your door, steal everything you own and rape you, the second they find out there's no guns in your home?


My back door has about 30 or 40 impact marks on it where a battering ram was taken to it in an attempt to force entry.

My home defense system consists of a 2x4. Everyone in my area has steel bars permanently mounted to the windows around the basement and first floor.
 
2012-12-17 01:24:59 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: dittybopper: Vegan Meat Popsicle: But remember. Requiring people to have safety locks on their guns and report them when they're lost or stolen is a grievous assault on liberty.

Quite literally, you are correct: The Supreme Court has ruled that requiring that guns be inoperable is a violation of the Second Amendment. It's settled law.

As for reporting them lost or stolen, that's hard to do with your face shot off.

Hardly unique among the stupid decisions made throughout the Court's history, but it doesn't preclude requiring that the guns be secured.


Actually, yes it does:

(3) The handgun ban and the trigger-lock requirement (as applied to self-defense) violate the Second Amendment. The District's total ban on handgun possession in the home amounts to a prohibition on an entire class of "arms" that Americans overwhelmingly choose for the lawful purpose of self-defense. Under any of the standards of scrutiny the Court has applied to enumerated constitutional rights, this prohibition - in the place where the importance of the lawful defense of self, family, and property is most acute - would fail constitutional muster. Similarly, the requirement that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it impossible for citizens to use arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense and is hence unconstitutional.
 
2012-12-17 01:25:23 PM  

NightOwl2255: As she laid there in bed with her son pointing a rifle at her, I wonder what the last thing that went through her mind was.


"I should have prepared for this!"
 
2012-12-17 01:25:27 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Diogenes: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.

hey, I like those stories!

Yes, let's eliminate the First Amendment to protect the Second.

I didn't say that the government should step in an stop it.

The press and hollywood could have a bit of restraint and not put out those stories or those types of shows.


Why do you hate capitalism?
 
2012-12-17 01:25:35 PM  

meatsack_01: [causes-prod.caudn.com image 640x636]


If you think a sign will prevent jack squat you are an idiot.

But go ahead, you posted your opinion. Problem solved!
 
2012-12-17 01:25:54 PM  

dittybopper: My point is that just because her 20 year old son, who lived in the house, figured out how to get the guns, that doesn't necessarily mean they weren't properly secured.


There are not entirely verified reports that she took him to the gun range with her. I'm still waiting for all the facts to sort out, but I would not entirely be surprised if she never expected her pride and joy to turn on her. Being family can blind us to a lot of problems.
 
2012-12-17 01:26:07 PM  

Phineas: Wolf_blitzer

Just callin 'em as I sees 'em. This thread (and the article) contain mostly liberals who confuse the tools used to perpetrate the crime with the mental condition of the people who perpetrate them. This kid could've just as easily driven a truck through the side of the building and crushed a classroom. In fact, that would've been easier. But yeah, its easier to blame guns.

I figured you liberals would enjoy knowing how I see you, as hand-wringing hens that flock together and come to irrational conclusions based on the facts at hand. And if there's something you can't quite grasp, you check with other liberals to find out what it is you should be thinking.


Thats great, because I see you as a bed-wetting paranoid, dreaming every day for the Russians (or the Liberals) to invade your house, so that you can demonstrate to everyone just how big a man you are.
 
2012-12-17 01:26:09 PM  

whyRpeoplesostupid: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.


Agreed


I can't agree with that. I mean -- come on! It should be clear that zombies are no more real than, say, jackalopes! Wowee it's scary that there are significant number of people who can't recognize it as fantasy, though! I wonder if it's not more indication of the point I was trying to make yesterday -- the woeful state of good mental health services period, not just at a certain income level. Unless, of course, you want drugs -- we gotcher drugs all over the place, thanks to the free market and bootstrappy, job-creating big pharma! Please note, these are not necessarily drugs that will actually do any good for people who have mental illnesses that tend to make them unemployable (and subsequently uninsurable) because there isn't nearly as much money to be made off of unemployed, uninsured people. But if you get anxious speaking in front of a crowd of people, boy do we have a pill for you! ADHD? We're on it -- what flavor would you like your methamphetamine? (Full disclosure -- ADHD myself, not one of those 'herp-derp-just-make-the-kid-sit-still' people, but the point I'm trying to make here is that obviously ADHD people are employable and there's a profit margin in 'em...which is why I get effective medication. Interestingly, my bi-polar, delusional, ADHD kid could not get anything effective for anything but the ADHD, although Abilify did work for a few weeks. He, OTOH, is unemployable, but now that he's covered under my health insurance thanks to health care reform, maybe they'll be a profit margin in developing something that actually helps him and doesn't just tranquilize him.)

Would better mental health services have helped here? Well, actually, maybe...I mean, clearly this was a family problem, and perhaps if a once-a-year therapy visit were as covered as, say, an annual physical, maybe this issue could have been picked up on and cut off at the pass. Would better gun control have helped? Again, probably -- if weapons of mass killings are not as readily available, maybe we don't have as many mass killings -- that math makes sense to simple-minded me.

And, again, maybe not -- maybe neither would have helped in this situation at all. Even if you remove the guns, you still had a homicidal maniac loose in a classroom full of small children, and I hate to see this tragedy reduced to a numbers game. At the same time, damn -- I'm okay with fixing that whole numbers game scenario a bit as part of the overall solution to this problem! And, who is to say that a mental health professional could have possibly picked up on something wrong like that in a once-a-year visit? Human beings operate on a spectrum, and on a good day or bad day that check might have picked me up, and I am about the most completely pacifistic person you'll ever meet.

I am glad that this discussion is happening, and I'm even glad it's happening on dear, snarky, make-'em-cry Fark. And, I hope to not be one of those one-issue, simple solution sound-bite people. The fact is that this is a many-layered problem, and I totally agree with what a friend of mine said the other day -- it's time to start having this conversation as a nation minus the extremists. Obviously. Enough herp-derp -- be it teabagger, conservative, liberal, libertarian or whatever -- is enough. It's time for the grownups who understand that the world can be a complicated place, and no issue of great weight is ever as simple as it first appears, to get in here and start deciding how to handle things.
 
2012-12-17 01:26:18 PM  

homelessdude: Yeah, cause you know, when society breaks down, the first things the Godless Sodomite Philistines will come for are the homes valued around $600k and up


In Connecticut, used cardboard boxes in the middle of the street start in the low $700ks.
 
2012-12-17 01:26:27 PM  
So let me get this straight...the woman was stockpiling guns as a result of an Obama-inspired conspiracy to impose dictatorship on Americans, and the Obama government "coming to take away our guns", which resulted in her son using those weapons on a killing spree, which may prompt the Obama administration to pass more strict gun-control laws.

Full circle?
 
2012-12-17 01:26:33 PM  
bluefoxicy: Wolf_Blitzer: Do you honestly, sincerely believe that your area is full of people waiting to bust down your door, steal everything you own and rape you, the second they find out there's no guns in your home?

My back door has about 30 or 40 impact marks on it where a battering ram was taken to it in an attempt to force entry.

My home defense system consists of a 2x4. Everyone in my area has steel bars permanently mounted to the windows around the basement and first floor.


Do you have a meth lab in your basement?
 
2012-12-17 01:26:44 PM  
If we lived in Sparta this wouldn't be an issue, obviously parent's raising children with mental defects is harming society.
 
2012-12-17 01:26:50 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: dittybopper: As for reporting them lost or stolen, that's hard to do with your face shot off.

Ah, yes. You must be another one of those "responsible gun owners" I keep hearing about. A man in a perpetual state of pants-wetting paranoia about the very low possibility that somebody might break into his occupied home and attempt to harm him or his family.


I was talking about the mother, you know, the one who was killed first, and thus couldn't report the guns as stolen? Or is your reading comprehension really that bad?
 
2012-12-17 01:27:08 PM  
I see a lot of painters in this thread painting with really broad brushes.
 
2012-12-17 01:27:23 PM  

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.

hey, I like those stories!

on a more serious note - not all preppers are crazy, but a lot of crazy people are preppers. given the situation after hurricane katrina or again after hurricane sandy...preparing for a long term disruption of power and food distribution systems is starting to look like plain common sense and not an indication of crazy loonie toons insanity.


You know what's the best way to prepare for long-term disruption of power and food distribution systems? By paying for improvements to the country's infrastructure so that when the next storm or earthquake hits, the damage will be minimal.

I look at pictures of the 1906 earthquake in San Francisco and compare that to the 1989 Loma Prieta and the 1994 Northridge. Both the latter earthquakes were equally or stronger than the 1906, but the devastation from the 1906 earthquakes was total while the more recent ones had almost no significant deaths and only some damage to transportation systems (Nimitz Freeway destroyed, Embarcadero freeway destroyed, 280 from King Street to the 280-101 junction unstable). In Northridge, just one or two major freeways were destroyed. Not a single major building had any noticeable impairment, and only a few homes were destroyed (most in the Marina district where the foundation was, er, shaky).

What that tells me is improving the infrastructure would help tremendously.

Being a survivalist is the most expensive and least efficient way to survive a major catastrophe. Pitching in and working as a community by paying more taxes to build and set better standards for infrastructure is the cheapest and most efficient way to deal with major uncertainties.
 
2012-12-17 01:27:26 PM  
I did kind of wonder why a schoolteacher had a Bushmaster, a .40 Glock and a Sig. Those are very pricey, specialty weapons, not the sort of thing you own unless you are pretty serious about guns.
 
2012-12-17 01:27:31 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Coco LaFemme: She helped create the monster, she should have been made to pay for it.

Well, actually, she did.


This is why I live in a bulletproof American Gladiator ball. You can never be too careful.
 
2012-12-17 01:27:37 PM  
Utter fail, Fark.

Subby should be school massacred for his idiotic use of "whom" and the rest of you should feel really bad about not making him feel really bad about it.
 
2012-12-17 01:27:50 PM  

Crewmannumber6: HotWingConspiracy: Crewmannumber6: HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.

I have 2 guns, a shotgun and a rifle, both of which I iniherited from my father. They've been locked in a safe for 30 years, until a month ago when there was an escaped prisoner loose in our neighborhood. I got out the shotgun, loaded it with the chamber empty, and kept it with me until we got the all clear, at which time I unloaded it and locked it back in the safe. untilk that night, my kids didn't know that I had any guns.

You Sir, are an idiot.

Hopefully one day you don't decide to off your wife and kids and shoot up your workplace. Because you might, at any point for any reason.

Basically I'll reserve judgement on your level of responsibility until after you die. Then we can look at totals.

Glad to see you're keeping an open mind


That's a problem with putting someone on ignore - when some responds to their comment - you are reminded again why you put that douche bag on ignore in the first place.
 
2012-12-17 01:27:57 PM  

bluefoxicy: My home defense system consists of a 2x4.


Mine is a Pakistani 'hunting sword'. The houses here are too close together for anything with range.
 
2012-12-17 01:28:17 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: dittybopper: My point is that just because her 20 year old son, who lived in the house, figured out how to get the guns, that doesn't necessarily mean they weren't properly secured.

There are not entirely verified reports that she took him to the gun range with her. I'm still waiting for all the facts to sort out, but I would not entirely be surprised if she never expected her pride and joy to turn on her. Being family can blind us to a lot of problems.


That's true also.
 
2012-12-17 01:28:31 PM  

dittybopper: bulldg4life: She did a shiat job of securing her weapons, then.

How do we know? For all we know, she stored the guns in a safe, and the son stole the key while she was sleeping.


The plan was probably underway for awhile, hidden under his bed one small piece of the puzzle at a time, carefully waiting, and then once she laid down for a nap...

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-17 01:28:37 PM  
NRA reaction before: This tragedy happened because none of the victims owned a gun. If even one victim had been prepared, it would have saved a lot of lives.

NRA reaction now: ...
 
2012-12-17 01:28:43 PM  

Moonfisher: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.

hey, I like those stories!

on a more serious note - not all preppers are crazy, but a lot of crazy people are preppers. given the situation after hurricane katrina or again after hurricane sandy...preparing for a long term disruption of power and food distribution systems is starting to look like plain common sense and not an indication of crazy loonie toons insanity.

There is a big difference between being prepared for a disaster and being a "prepper." We live in SoCal, so I have a cupboard of canned food and bottled water that could feed us for about 2 weeks in case of an earthquake or other disaster. "Preppers," the type my parents are, think the apocalypse is nigh and hoard mounds of ammo, food, fuel, and make survival backpacks. My dad made us all backpacks when I was a teen that contained binoculars, water proof matches, a gas mask, MREs, you name it. He also thinks that when the world collapses, gold will be useful but ammo will be currency, so he has a reload kit. He has lists of things to prep with that he has printed from WND. Whackados, the lot of them.


All that will be brought on by global warming!

Now do you believe it?
 
2012-12-17 01:28:50 PM  

bluefoxicy: Wolf_Blitzer: Do you honestly, sincerely believe that your area is full of people waiting to bust down your door, steal everything you own and rape you, the second they find out there's no guns in your home?

My back door has about 30 or 40 impact marks on it where a battering ram was taken to it in an attempt to force entry.

My home defense system consists of a 2x4. Everyone in my area has steel bars permanently mounted to the windows around the basement and first floor.


Thats great. Do you keep a defibrillator in your house? Because statistically, thats far more likely to be used to save your or a family member's life than a gun.
 
2012-12-17 01:28:56 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: meatsack_01: [causes-prod.caudn.com image 640x636]

Funny - last week the Right felt that public school teachers were worthless moochers off the teat of the Job Creators. This week, they want them all carrying assault rifles.


Well, now, they don't want to actually PAY for that training or the weapons. That would be communism. Or socialism. Or whatever "ism" the Right is up in arms about this week.
 
2012-12-17 01:29:04 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.


Shut your whore mouth!
 
2012-12-17 01:29:23 PM  
The solution to this problem is simple: Terminator robots in every classroom.

But not ones modeled on Arnold Schwarzenegger in T1 (T2 and Kindergarten Cop is okay, though. Oh, all right, Arnie in Twins, too, if you must.).
 
2012-12-17 01:29:27 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: meatsack_01: [causes-prod.caudn.com image 640x636]

Good luck threatening death to people planning to kill themselves in an attack.


Now now. Never in the history of ever has anybody ever intentionally gone into a public space with the intention of being shot to death by police. I mean. If that actually happened there'd be a name for it, I'm sure. "Getting yourself suicided by law enforcement" or something. I dunno. Something snappy. I'm sure someone can come up with something.

And it's not like these people ever armor themselves. No siree. Can't think of any recent shootings where the perp was wearing enough armor to be largely immune to any serious injury from small arms fire.

Besides, what's better than a semi-automatic crossfire in a crowded elementary school hallway full of small children between largely unpracticed people toting deadly weapons!? I'm sure they'll all know to hit the deck and leopard crawl to cover.

The only solution to violence is an exponential retaliatory increase! Nothing could possibly go wrong with that theory.
 
2012-12-17 01:29:28 PM  

Thunderpipes: hammettman: Coco LaFemme: Gee, who would have thought that being a paranoid survivalist stockpiling guns with a mentally disturbed child in the house would end up being a really stupid idea. I wish this woman wasn't dead because if her son hadn't shot her first, I'd be demanding her ass be put on trial for all 26 dead bodies her son racked up. She helped create the monster, she should have been made to pay for it.

THIS

And sadly, it's too soon or too sad to call her a dumbass because polite society says she should be pitied for dying horribly at the hands of her own child. No. fark her. And somebody on teevee no doubt put that B-52 loadfull of weapons grade derp in her pathetic brain. I'd love to know where she acquired that bs.

This is just plain stupid. Dems will just use this as mare ammo to chip away at rights. As terrible as this tragedy is, using it to erode the constitution is a slipper slope.

Cars kill far more people each year. Ban them too?

If you want to fix the problem, start being tough parents again. But liberals don't believe in that. Further left we go, the worse society gets.


At first glance, I'd laugh and say that you're trolling, and rather badly at that. But after reviewing your grammar and the stupidly of your argument, I'd have to guess that you're just an average, perhaps a bit farther on the right, Republican with a very loose grasp of reality.
 
2012-12-17 01:29:58 PM  

godxam: Crewmannumber6: HotWingConspiracy: Crewmannumber6: HotWingConspiracy: There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner.

I have 2 guns, a shotgun and a rifle, both of which I iniherited from my father. They've been locked in a safe for 30 years, until a month ago when there was an escaped prisoner loose in our neighborhood. I got out the shotgun, loaded it with the chamber empty, and kept it with me until we got the all clear, at which time I unloaded it and locked it back in the safe. untilk that night, my kids didn't know that I had any guns.

You Sir, are an idiot.

Hopefully one day you don't decide to off your wife and kids and shoot up your workplace. Because you might, at any point for any reason.

Basically I'll reserve judgement on your level of responsibility until after you die. Then we can look at totals.

Glad to see you're keeping an open mind

That's a problem with putting someone on ignore - when some responds to their comment - you are reminded again why you put that douche bag on ignore in the first place.


Feel my ubiquity.
 
2012-12-17 01:30:08 PM  

bluefoxicy: Sleeping Monkey: She gets the fail award of the year for believing that having assault weapons in her home would make her safe. Now that entire community is paying for her ignorance.

Not necessarily.

There are two more questions here of immediate relevance:

- Would a larger base of armed, trained citizenry prevent more deaths than these occasional outliers?
- Would a larger base of armed, trained citizenry (say, the teachers, or anyone within hearing range of the gunshots) have provided for earlier dispatch of the shooter, such that fewer deaths would have been incurred per incident?

Other questions of longer-term relevance include:

- Can we change our cultural basis to reduce the severity and frequency of these tragedies? (i.e. small children are IMMENSELY preoccupied with shooting and killing people and how awesome blowing things up is; gangsters and criminals are idolized; shooting people makes you really cool. How do we stop this from becoming the mentality of children who grow up into adults that don't always shed this mentality?)

- Can we improve mental health services to detect and treat people, such that fewer will become this unstable?

And so on.


You ass. I like my cozy little world where I have the perfect answer to everything based on what certain people I choose to believe in the media tell me. This not knowing the answer to everything is deeply unsettling.
 
2012-12-17 01:30:24 PM  

PreMortem: Court ordered mandatory psychological exams, then involuntary institutionalisation.

We are allowing too many whack jobs to roam freely.


Gun cotnrol or Nutjob control, not sure which is the better solution, but recent events make it painfully clear that our society is in desperate need of one or the other.
 
2012-12-17 01:30:35 PM  
What? No who vs whom grammar slap to subby? What is this world coming to!?!
 
2012-12-17 01:30:36 PM  

The Larch: NRA reaction before: This tragedy happened because none of the victims owned a gun. If even one victim had been prepared, it would have saved a lot of lives.

NRA reaction now: ...


Well, she obviously didn't have enough guns.
 
2012-12-17 01:31:09 PM  

dittybopper: How do we know? For all we know, she stored the guns in a safe, and the son stole the key while she was sleeping.


That, or he coerced he into to doing it-knife to the throat, that sort of thing.

Somehow I don't think there would be too much emphasis on the owner of the gun if he had killed a local cop and taken the AR-15 from his trunk OR the firearm(s) used were stolen from a police vehicle (happens every now and then).
 
2012-12-17 01:31:20 PM  

Snarfangel: The solution to this problem is simple: Terminator robots in every classroom.


Better yet, how about an ED-209? Oh, wait...
 
2012-12-17 01:31:54 PM  

homelessdude: Survivalist? Oh please........

Yeah, cause you know, when society breaks down, the first things the Godless Sodomite Philistines will come for are the homes valued around $600k and up 

Connecticut shooter Adam Lanza and family members revealed
(examiner.com)


http://thepillars.info/living.htm ???

/so that doesn't happen then?
 
2012-12-17 01:32:09 PM  

Snarfangel: minoridiot: Since she divorced Peter, Nancy has had no need to work because she receives $200,000 in support from Peter Lanza.

We either need to ban rich people, the unemployed, or single mothers. I'm trying to decide which.


In the immortal words of Aerosmith: Eat the Rich!
 
2012-12-17 01:32:13 PM  

CheapEngineer: tenpoundsofcheese: Diogenes: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.

hey, I like those stories!

Yes, let's eliminate the First Amendment to protect the Second.

I didn't say that the government should step in an stop it.

The press and hollywood could have a bit of restraint and not put out those stories or those types of shows.

Why do you hate capitalism?


funny. it isn't as if they could make money with different movies or shows than violence-porn like the Walking Dead, Dexter, and Django.
 
2012-12-17 01:32:23 PM  

bluefoxicy: tenpoundsofcheese: Their basement is probably packed with food and supplies.

That she thinks will last 20 years, but really is going to last one or two. My parents have so much oat, grain, and flour, and I'm thinking... I could bake a loaf a week and go through this in a year.


Flour is only good for about 6 months without refrigeration.
 
2012-12-17 01:32:47 PM  
FTA: ...her arsenal consisting of two handguns, a semi-automatic rifle and two traditional hunting rifles.

5 firearms is an arsenal?

FTA: State Police Lt. Paul Vance, said: "There was a lot of ammo, a lot of clips. Certainly a lot of lives were potentially saved."

Came for the clips vs magazines comment..
/leaves disappointed
 
2012-12-17 01:32:48 PM  

hinten: How exactly owning a long list of devices that are primarily designed to kill makes you safer is anyone's guess.


Making sure your long list is longer then the other guys long list?
 
2012-12-17 01:33:30 PM  

KungFuJunkie: Why do I get the feeling that the"preppers" will cause the breakdown of our society?


I have always wondered at one point of investment in doomsday preparation does a person need to get to before it is in their best interest to engender the doomsday they have been preparing for?
 
2012-12-17 01:33:36 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: Do you keep a defibrillator in your house? Because statistically, thats far more likely to be used to save your or a family member's life than a gun.


Who in the hell would use the defibrillator? The only person ever in my house is me. If anyone else is in the house it's probably a home invader.

I have fire extinguishers. They're actually useful.
 
2012-12-17 01:33:48 PM  

dericwater: I look at pictures of the 1906 earthquake in San Francisco and compare that to the 1989 Loma Prieta and the 1994 Northridge....

...What that tells me is improving the infrastructure would help tremendously.

Being a survivalist is the most expensive and least efficient way to survive a major catastrophe. Pitching in and working as a community by paying more taxes to build and set better standards for infrastructure is the cheapest and most efficient way to deal with major uncertainties.


But we ARE improving the infrastructure! Just this year, we spent hundred$ of million$ on maintaining and repairing Mosque$ in the Middle Ea$t!
 
2012-12-17 01:34:04 PM  
Not only was she a failure at raising her kids, she was a failure at being a survivalist.
 
2012-12-17 01:34:12 PM  

TheOther: Do you have a meth lab in your basement?


No, I have bags of thinset and 14 boxes of porcelain tile. And some tools.
 
2012-12-17 01:34:50 PM  

Sleeping Monkey: She gets the fail award of the year for believing that having assault weapons in her home would make her safe. Now that entire community is paying for her ignorance.


I've been having this argument with my family for a few months now, but the answer to this isn't legislation restricting access to guns, but legislation placing 100% responsibility for controlling that gun on the person that legally owns it, and making the penalties for not controlling it absolutely draconian.

If your kid gets your gun and robs the 7-11, you're doing 10 years mandatory minimum. If your kid gets your guns and shoots up an elementary school, you're doing life, no parole.

Gun control should start with gun owners, and positive control of the weapon needs to be the primary responsibility that comes along with it. If this lady knew she could be doing hard prison time if her guns got out of her control, she might have taken better care of them and kept them out of the hands of her nutter kid.

Guns belong on your person, or locked up tight. Not in your nightstand or under your bed.
 
2012-12-17 01:35:00 PM  

Launch Code: It takes a human to commit the act. Do you blame the alcohol or the car for a drunk driving death? Of course the super libtard will reflect on soldiers using guns in battle.


God damnit so much.

Sorry Americans but you're screwed. There are altogether too many morons living in your country with an IQ on par with Homer Simpson.

Outside of your own country people would think of you as mildly retarted for that kind of derp.
 
2012-12-17 01:35:04 PM  

JRoo: probesport: "Mrs Lanza, 52, was a 'prepper' - so called because they are preparing for a breakdown in civilized society - who apparently became obsessed with guns and taught Adam and his older brother, Ryan, how to shoot, even taking them to local ranges."

Oh my what a horrible, horrible person. She even took them to shooting ranges? Why not puppy farms with bounce houses?

Why not puppy farms with bounce houses?

Maybe he would rather have gone there but she wouldn't take him and made him learn how to be an efficient killer instead.

I think most people are pretty crazy until they reach about their upper twenties.


Crazy raises crazy, I was in my career and just bought a house at 20 with little to no crazy. Teaching kids how to plink paper targets does not make them efficient killers anymore than teaching someone how to cut a steak makes them a coroner.
 
2012-12-17 01:35:26 PM  
Guns make a mans pecker hard and ready.
You Libs just cannot understand that.
 
2012-12-17 01:35:49 PM  

meatsack_01: utahraptor2: If a teacher would have been armed, he wouldn't have gotten very far.

This


Teachers don't carry guns for the same reason prison guards don't.
 
2012-12-17 01:36:22 PM  

Phineas: First rule of being liberal: hate the parts of the Constitution that your friends, teachers, and television tell you to hate

Second rule of being liberal: blame Conservativism and capitalism for everything that goes wrong, including hurricanes, economic collapses, and insane people who butcher innocents

Third rule of being liberal: if you must defend insane people who butcher innocents, make sure they're middle eastern, then sympathize with their plight and how they're treated in captivity

And finally, the fourth rule, read Fark, dailykos, huffington post, basically any site where you can congregate with other liberals and congratulate each other for how much smarter and tolerant you are, tolerant of everyone that beileves what you believe, that is.


Can't speak for anyone else, but I've TRIED to 'congregate' over on FreeRepublic.

They banned me for asking a question.

If you think Fark's too liberal, I recommend the "ignore" button.

Use it...liberally :)
 
2012-12-17 01:36:34 PM  

dopekitty74: Snarfangel: minoridiot: Since she divorced Peter, Nancy has had no need to work because she receives $200,000 in support from Peter Lanza.

We either need to ban rich people, the unemployed, or single mothers. I'm trying to decide which.

In the immortal words of Aerosmith: Eat the Rich!


"Steven Tallarico, known around the world as rock singer and musician Steven Tyler, has a net worth estimated at $130 million"

From celebritynetworth.com 

I guess they would prefer you eat the other rich people.
 
2012-12-17 01:36:36 PM  

probesport: "Mrs Lanza, 52, was a 'prepper' - so called because they are preparing for a breakdown in civilized society - who apparently became obsessed with guns and taught Adam and his older brother, Ryan, how to shoot, even taking them to local ranges."

Oh my what a horrible, horrible person. She even took them to shooting ranges? Why not puppy farms with bounce houses?


Imagining cute little puppies happily bouncing around is making me smile. :)
 
2012-12-17 01:37:05 PM  

vpb: If the victims had had military style cargo pants this wouldn't have happened.


Do they make them that small?
 
2012-12-17 01:37:08 PM  

dericwater: Being a survivalist is the most expensive and least efficient way to survive a major catastrophe.


I happen to disagree.

Most of what people would call "survivalism" isn't stocking up on X, Y, or Z, but gathering the skills and knowledge to deal with a crisis. For example, describe to me 3 ways to make water potable in an emergency situation. What common food items found in every kitchen can be used for heat, light, and cooking? There is likely a good source of emergency electricity on your property, do you know how to exploit that?

Now, doomsday preppers are one thing, but being prepared for relatively common, but extended disasters isn't a bad thing. And yeah, having some extra canned goods, etc., around doesn't hurt, of course.
 
2012-12-17 01:37:19 PM  

Rent Party: Sleeping Monkey: She gets the fail award of the year for believing that having assault weapons in her home would make her safe. Now that entire community is paying for her ignorance.

I've been having this argument with my family for a few months now, but the answer to this isn't legislation restricting access to guns, but legislation placing 100% responsibility for controlling that gun on the person that legally owns it, and making the penalties for not controlling it absolutely draconian.

If your kid gets your gun and robs the 7-11, you're doing 10 years mandatory minimum. If your kid gets your guns and shoots up an elementary school, you're doing life, no parole.

Gun control should start with gun owners, and positive control of the weapon needs to be the primary responsibility that comes along with it. If this lady knew she could be doing hard prison time if her guns got out of her control, she might have taken better care of them and kept them out of the hands of her nutter kid.

Guns belong on your person, or locked up tight. Not in your nightstand or under your bed.


What if someone steals your car and uses it to commit a crime?
 
2012-12-17 01:37:20 PM  

This text is now purple: homelessdude: Yeah, cause you know, when society breaks down, the first things the Godless Sodomite Philistines will come for are the homes valued around $600k and up
In Connecticut, used cardboard boxes in the middle of the street start in the low $700ks.


No, don't even. this isn't "property values." They were well off.

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2012-12-17 01:37:35 PM  

the_end_is_rear: Guns make a mans pecker hard and ready.
You Libs just cannot understand that.


Careful not to get any jizz on your gun while you're jacking...
 
2012-12-17 01:37:46 PM  

TheOther: Preppers are just stockpiling food, ammo and women for me to come along and take from them.


The other thing that's funny is the anti-social people believing they'll survive. Humans will survive like they always have: banding together in groups to further their common interest. Solo preppers will be screwed.
 
2012-12-17 01:37:47 PM  

occamswrist: Moonfisher: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.

hey, I like those stories!

on a more serious note - not all preppers are crazy, but a lot of crazy people are preppers. given the situation after hurricane katrina or again after hurricane sandy...preparing for a long term disruption of power and food distribution systems is starting to look like plain common sense and not an indication of crazy loonie toons insanity.

There is a big difference between being prepared for a disaster and being a "prepper." We live in SoCal, so I have a cupboard of canned food and bottled water that could feed us for about 2 weeks in case of an earthquake or other disaster. "Preppers," the type my parents are, think the apocalypse is nigh and hoard mounds of ammo, food, fuel, and make survival backpacks. My dad made us all backpacks when I was a teen that contained binoculars, water proof matches, a gas mask, MREs, you name it. He also thinks that when the world collapses, gold will be useful but ammo will be currency, so he has a reload kit. He has lists of things to prep with that he has printed from WND. Whackados, the lot of them.

All that will be brought on by global warming!

Now do you believe it?


No. Climate change will eventually start causing some very uncomfortable situations, but it probably won't lead to Armageddon in my lifetime.
 
2012-12-17 01:38:26 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: keep seeing derp like this. Tell me - what is a firearm a "tool" for, other than the infliction of death or the threat of death?


To protect your life against someone that is intent on taking it.
 
2012-12-17 01:38:51 PM  

JerkyMeat: The message is clear. Right wingers, you are the nutbag enemy of society


That's ok, left wingers are the nutbag enema of society.
 
2012-12-17 01:38:57 PM  
The truly ironic thing here is that all these "OMG, the gummint is gonna take our gunz!" nutjobs will probably be the reason the government steps in and takes our guns, or at least limits the types of guns we can have.

/libby lib with a sizable arsenal
 
2012-12-17 01:39:00 PM  

Magorn: Gun cotnrol or Nutjob control, not sure which is the better solution, but recent events make it painfully clear that our society is in desperate need of one or the other.


Incorrect. We need a balanced approach to both. We can't just lock up everyone who makes us feel uncomfortable--who has a statistical likelihood to commit a certain crime. We also can't just collect up all the firearms in this country. What we can do is place reasonable restrictions on who can have those firearms, what kinds, and so on; and we can provide for more detection and treatment of dangerous mental disorders.

Combining these approaches will reduce, but not eliminate, the threats in two overlapping groups; the remainder of overlap will thus form two more overlapping groups, leaving an even smaller overlap of people who will eventually pose a problem. That's a major reduction for relatively minor effort.
 
2012-12-17 01:39:02 PM  

Snarfangel: probesport: "Mrs Lanza, 52, was a 'prepper' - so called because they are preparing for a breakdown in civilized society - who apparently became obsessed with guns and taught Adam and his older brother, Ryan, how to shoot, even taking them to local ranges."

Oh my what a horrible, horrible person. She even took them to shooting ranges? Why not puppy farms with bounce houses?

Imagining cute little puppies happily bouncing around is making me smile. :)


t3.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-17 01:39:36 PM  

Launch Code: It takes a human to commit the act. Do you blame the alcohol or the car for a drunk driving death? Of course the super libtard will reflect on soldiers using guns in battle. Are you then calling the people that defend us murderers?
Wake up leftys, evil people do evil things! Don't blame the tool for the destruction


The point of gun control for things like the AR-15 isn't that someone can't kill someone. If someone is determined to kill a person there's plenty of ways they can do it without a gun. However, it's really really really hard for someone to kill 26 people in one place without certain types of guns. The other ways you can do it? All heavily restricted if not flat-out illegal.
 
2012-12-17 01:39:45 PM  

probesport: JRoo: probesport: "Mrs Lanza, 52, was a 'prepper' - so called because they are preparing for a breakdown in civilized society - who apparently became obsessed with guns and taught Adam and his older brother, Ryan, how to shoot, even taking them to local ranges."

Oh my what a horrible, horrible person. She even took them to shooting ranges? Why not puppy farms with bounce houses?

Why not puppy farms with bounce houses?

Maybe he would rather have gone there but she wouldn't take him and made him learn how to be an efficient killer instead.

I think most people are pretty crazy until they reach about their upper twenties.

Crazy raises crazy, I was in my career and just bought a house at 20 with little to no crazy. Teaching kids how to plink paper targets does not make them efficient killers anymore than teaching someone how to cut a steak makes them a coroner.


So knowing everything about the weapons and how to load and fire them and having perfect aim didn't make him any more efficient?

She wasn't taking him out to the backyard with a BB gun to shoot at cans.
 
2012-12-17 01:40:07 PM  
If I've learned one thing from gaming, it's that even those who are completely unprepared can eventually go on to win, if they have a good head on their shoulders.

th09.deviantart.net

Of course, that's why most survivalists are survivalists.
 
2012-12-17 01:40:21 PM  

JackieRabbit: the_end_is_rear: Guns make a mans pecker hard and ready.
You Libs just cannot understand that.

Careful not to get any jizz on your gun while you're jacking...


I was hoping someone would get my trolling post and comment.
You did not disappoint.
 
2012-12-17 01:40:29 PM  

Jument: tenpoundsofcheese: Diogenes: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: maybe the press can stop covering stupid stories like the Mayan apocalypse.

get rid of shows like the Walking Dead too while you are at it.

hey, I like those stories!

Yes, let's eliminate the First Amendment to protect the Second.

I didn't say that the government should step in an stop it.

The press and hollywood could have a bit of restraint and not put out those stories or those types of shows.

It's fiction. When people start reacting badly IRL to fiction, the problem is not with the creators of the fiction. Hint: crazy people are crazy.


Sure enough, crazy people are crazy. A good tautology is never wrong.

On the other hand, the whole "art imitates life vs life imitates art" debate around whether violence on film and TV and in video games is reflective or constitutive of our violent culture is reductionist. Popular culture - like movies, music, TV, video games, sports - helps to reproduce and reshape our culture. The images of armed heroes (and antiheroes, and even villains) prevalent in so much of our popular culture can not be isolated from the widespread belief in our society that sometimes violence is good and just, and it's often a good bit of fun. These images reproduce and strengthen those sentiments. They make it easier for us to accept IRL that violence is all around us, inevitable, and sometimes fun. Sure, these folks took it to extremes, but it's a continuum, not a binary. And the line between crazy and not-crazy, especially when it comes to glorifying guns and violence is anything but clear.
 
2012-12-17 01:40:50 PM  

the_end_is_rear: Guns make a mans pecker hard and ready.
You Libs just cannot understand that.


*TWEET*

Markley's Law violation. Ten yard penalty and loss of argument.
 
2012-12-17 01:41:18 PM  

fappomatic: Heathen: so having a couple hundred rounds of ammo in your house makes you a prepper?

I was a prepper and didn't even know it.

If that's the case, I'm an international small dealer.

\I get a call from Midsouth every time I order.... "Hey Fapp, did you actually order 40,000 pistol primers or did your cat step on the zero key?"


Well i sleep on a bed made out of 11 billion guns, so i win.
 
2012-12-17 01:41:45 PM  
Huh, I haven't followed the story closely and some things about the article were really confusing.

He shot his mother at her/their home and then got the guns and then went to the school to shoot up a random classroom?

That is farked up.

And why did they write that he cold have done more damage if he hadn't been stopped? And further on they write that he shot himself. So he stopped himself or what?
 
2012-12-17 01:41:49 PM  

JRoo: So knowing everything about the weapons and how to load and fire them and having perfect aim didn't make him any more efficient?


Efficient at loading and firing weapons, yes.
 
2012-12-17 01:41:50 PM  

dennysgod: Not only was she a failure at raising her kids, she was a failure at being a survivalist.


"Failure at being a survivalist" is a redundancy.
 
2012-12-17 01:42:23 PM  
There sure seem to be a lot of scared people in this world and, well, here too.
I believe in being prudent.
Prudent is keeping an eye on things.

I'd prefer to think there's enough sane people to keep things on a relatively even keel.
If I'm wrong then say so when you're eatin' my carcass. Be polite though, NOT with your mouth full

It's a sad thing to go into a gun shop and see white trash spending six months wages on a Desert Eagle .44 and associated accouterments and THEN the damn sun comes up the next day. It's not like it's gonna stop them from drinking the rest of it away either.
Such a disappointment.
 
2012-12-17 01:42:43 PM  

dittybopper: the_end_is_rear: Guns make a mans pecker hard and ready.
You Libs just cannot understand that.

*TWEET*

Markley's Law violation. Ten yard penalty and loss of argument.


Awesome!!
 
2012-12-17 01:43:14 PM  

NightOwl2255: As she laid there in bed with her son pointing a rifle at her, I wonder what the last thing that went through her mind was.


Bullets ??
 
2012-12-17 01:43:15 PM  
bluefoxicy: TheOther: Do you have a meth lab in your basement?

No, I have bags of thinset and 14 boxes of porcelain tile. And some tools.


'That tile is crooked.'
"If I try to straighten it, it will throw off the rest of the row and I'll have to start all over."
'I said we should pay a pro to do this.'
"Your brother isn't a pro at anything but twitching and stealing my beer."
'See, we should have built the meth lab instead.'

"..."
 
2012-12-17 01:43:37 PM  

thornhill: There have been a number recent militia plots to kill law enforcement officers and Sovereign Citizens have killed a number of police officers recently. It just doesn't get any national media attention because it happens in flyover country. The plotters typically get caught because they don't know the first rule about fight club. Check this out. What's unusually about the Newtown shooting was that schools kids were targeted instead of a representative of the Federal Government.


Those are more crazy people trying to cause the collapse of civilization. I'm talking about the kids of the crazy people, their families, and the crazy people themselves to a degree. If you spend years telling your 15 year old that the world is going to end and they won't live long enough to become an adult, how many are going to decide just to end it all like this douche bag did? I mean, why not? The world is going to end, not like they have anything to live for.
 
2012-12-17 01:43:41 PM  

NightOwl2255: As she laid there in bed with her son pointing a rifle at her, I wonder what the last thing that went through her mind was.


a couple of rounds of .223?
 
2012-12-17 01:43:45 PM  

GQueue: Launch Code: It takes a human to commit the act. Do you blame the alcohol or the car for a drunk driving death? Of course the super libtard will reflect on soldiers using guns in battle. Are you then calling the people that defend us murderers?
Wake up leftys, evil people do evil things! Don't blame the tool for the destruction

The point of gun control for things like the AR-15 isn't that someone can't kill someone. If someone is determined to kill a person there's plenty of ways they can do it without a gun. However, it's really really really hard for someone to kill 26 people in one place without certain types of guns. The other ways you can do it? All heavily restricted if not flat-out illegal.


Gasoline is heavily restricted now? That explains the price.
 
2012-12-17 01:43:49 PM  
Look at your Republican neighbor. That man will kill you.

Time to lock them all up.
 
2012-12-17 01:43:52 PM  
All it takes is a single irresponsible, gun-fetishist hoarder to cause an unimaginable tragedy.

There are millions of irresponsible gun owners in the USA.

Is there any reason she couldn't have kept these weapons in a secure location inaccessible to Adam? Or even offsite at a shooting club or something like they do in Europe?

A week before the massacre, one of her beer buddies at the pizza place said she was talking about her son "slipping away" and "unreachable" and burning himself with a lighter. She knew he was spiraling... great idea mom to have an AR-15 and hundreds of rounds available to a psychotic sociopathic Assburger.
 
2012-12-17 01:43:57 PM  

Launch Code: [i1253.photobucket.com image 201x251]
It takes a human to commit the act. Do you blame the alcohol or the car for a drunk driving death? Of course the super libtard will reflect on soldiers using guns in battle. Are you then calling the people that defend us murderers?
Wake up leftys, evil people do evil things! Don't blame the tool for