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2012-12-17 10:22:45 AM
Good ol' Star Parker. Another idiot who thinks that if she demonstrates a commonality with the racist, radical Teabaggers, they will treat her like a pet instead of like cattle.
 
2012-12-17 10:23:30 AM

error 303: Never give up! Trust your instincts!


Wait. Is the Tea Party the Death Star in this analogy?
 
2012-12-17 10:23:35 AM

SuperT: mentula: where were these people when bush was president? y'know, warrantless wiretapping, total information awareness, TSA, endless war, all those liberty destroying things? (speaking of expanded government, medicare part D too, but i'm not complaining about that)

bush had the decency to be white! study it out!


I am not sure even that is all of it - they were fairly rabid when Clinton was in (think of Starr and all that) - it is more they are purely partisan regardless of content - a policy is bad if supported by a D, and good if support by an R, regardless of what the policies actually are. Obama being not-white more affects the "flavor" of the opposition to him that the volume/nuttiness involved, although no doubt there are plenty of extreme racists that would oppose him loudly regardless of politics, and some marginal republican partisans that have moved into the auto-reflex crowd by the fact he is black, but I think the bulk of them would do the same sort of things regardless of race.
 
2012-12-17 10:24:08 AM
UM....Triple Down???
 
2012-12-17 10:25:10 AM
the tea partiers are more akin to the loyalist colonials during the revolution
 
2012-12-17 10:26:03 AM

Solon Isonomia: Holocaust Agnostic: Cinaed: If the founders of this nation had not had the FRENCH, the American Experiment would have never taken place.

Teabaggers can do as their original chosen name implies.

Meh. Coulda won without the French.

I think Cornwallis just at end of Yorktown would have disagreed with you.


I'm sure he would, but he would be wrong. Demographics is demographics. And holding down distant colonies when the natives are a bunch of angry uneducated yokels spread over a vast difficult wilderness is an unappealing prospect. Especially in the face of domestic unpopularity.
 
2012-12-17 10:26:13 AM
I misread "winnable" as "wannabe".
 
2012-12-17 10:26:53 AM

mentula: where were these people when bush was president? y'know, warrantless wiretapping, total information awareness, TSA, endless war, all those liberty destroying things? (speaking of expanded government, medicare part D too, but i'm not complaining about that)


Remember, it's "My party, right or wrong". And the Republican party and their TEA Party friends are never wrong. Fox News told me so.

/sheesh
 
2012-12-17 10:26:58 AM

jayhawk88: mentula: where were these people when bush was president? y'know, warrantless wiretapping, total information awareness, TSA, endless war, all those liberty destroying things? (speaking of expanded government, medicare part D too, but i'm not complaining about that)

It was OK then because George Bush was a Republican so obviously everything he did was for the good of the country. You can tell because of the (R) next to his name, the news always colored his name in Red, and his mascot was the Elephant.


It was OK because Bush only planned to use those law enforcement tools on terrorists.

And pacifists, because anybody who opposes the War on Terror is obviously a terrorist sympathizer. And Quakers, because f*ck oatmeal, man! And drug dealers, because drugs are bad. And the ACLU. And the Black Panthers. And maybe the abortion movement needs to be monitored, because they have a history of resorting to violence when they don't get their way.

Anyway, you get the idea. We're only supposed to spy on people who hate America.

It's 0bama who's expanding those powers to include Real Americans. That's why it was so important for the GOP to remain in charge forever - the liberals can't resist abusing their powers. Wake up sheeple!
 
2012-12-17 10:27:47 AM
This is why Obama needs to run for a third term.
If he doesn't, these blowhards might actually get someone into office.
 
2012-12-17 10:29:25 AM

AdamK: the tea partiers are more akin to the loyalist colonials during the revolution


screw you. loyalist were british patriots, teabaggers are gullible chumps.
 
2012-12-17 10:31:24 AM

AnEvilGuest: AdamK: the tea partiers are more akin to the loyalist colonials during the revolution

screw you. loyalist were british patriots, teabaggers are gullible chumps.


okay, they're more akin to the village idiots during the revolution
 
2012-12-17 10:32:17 AM

Infernalist: liverleef: The tea party is destroying the GOP. Keep up the good work.

This, really. The longer the Tea Party exists, the harder it is on the GOP to get its house in order.

At the moment, the Tea Party retards are far more interested in fighting the GOP than the Democrats. That's the downside of having a 24/7 derp machine with years in between elections.

In the lull, they eat their own.


I am curious about the departure (and buyout) of Dick Armey from Freedom Works. Specifically, whether it indicates an upcoming change in approach, or a refusal to change.
 
2012-12-17 10:32:40 AM

neenerist: "If the founders of America....caved in the face of early defeats..."

Didn't the Founders remain steadfast against oppression of the common citizen by the wealthy and privileged? Consider a rename to East India Teabagger Company.


How the original Tea Party protesters dressed in Boston in 1773...

ushistoryimages.com

How an officer of the East India Company Army dressed in those days...

d2cdm2jef6kgc7.cloudfront.net

How the modern Tea Party LARPer dresses.

southpawbeagle.files.wordpress.com

You know: I think you may be onto something.
 
2012-12-17 10:32:42 AM

sprawl15: Orange-Pippin: There has to be a Tea Party member on Fark that can explain this.

The main part of the law is what they have a problem with: if you import labor, you receive a 20% tax break on all shutdown costs overseas and all startup costs domestically. Lets say you want to start a Gadget Manufacturing Company, and you were looking at $10M in startup costs domestically. If you instead start the company overseas, with a much lower startup cost (say, $1.5M) and then import them shortly after, you receive $2.3M in tax breaks - a net gain for doing nothing.

There's a few other complaints (it covers companies relocating automated factories, it's Big Government telling corporations what to do, etc), but that's the primary one methinks.


Given their widespread confusion about how tax brackets work it is remarkable that they have such a firm grip on the intricies of tax law with regards to international business operations.
 
2012-12-17 10:32:43 AM

heinekenftw: hubiestubert: What "freedoms" are these folks fighting for exactly?

Economic freedom? Because promoting corporate profits over local growth actually limits social mobility and competition in the markets.

Religious freedom? Because freedom of religion means that the government doesn't interfere with anyone's right to worship--or not worship--no matter their faith. That means Mormons, Muslims, Buddhists and even atheists have the right to pursue their faith without support or hinderance.

Privacy? Because a lot of the laws that TEA Party patriots seem to advocate run exactly counter to that.

Equality? Because championing the cause of those who want to see limits on the rights of citizens to marry doesn't sound much like "freedom"...

Their freedom to demand that everyone be god fearing Christians, to pay no taxes (but recieve their own benefits, the "got mine so fark yours" crowd) and to have an arsenal of weaponry that can rival a battalion of Marines.

Oh and by their freedom, I mean, their *personal* freedom. Other people's freedom isn't important.


You know, it would be great if we had actual Civics education, and the Federalist Papers as required reading for the voting public.

Got this on my shelf right now, and looking forward to it.

i43.tower.com

Right after this, which looks like a lot of fun too.

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2012-12-17 10:34:17 AM

vpb: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 800x1100]


Umm...Beavis and Butthead's neighbor is not a Tea Partier. He's just pissed about them boy's whackin' off in his tool shed.
 
2012-12-17 10:36:23 AM

AnEvilGuest: AdamK: the tea partiers are more akin to the loyalist colonials during the revolution

screw you. loyalist were british patriots, teabaggers are gullible chumps.


It is sort of interesting that folks who use the TEA Party imagery seem to be looking defend corporate profits. Which was sort of the issue with the original Tea Party, in that the Crown instituted taxes to generate even MOAR profits on products that it owned stock in, and limited supply on to keep prices fixed at an artificial rate. The thing is: if the colonists had just been given a few seats at the table, the British could have saved themselves a lot of hassle and concentrated on the French and Spanish...
 
2012-12-17 10:36:51 AM
"Freedoms like the freedom to deny marriage rights to people we disagree with, by leveraging the power of Big Government to cater to our specific desires!"
 
2012-12-17 10:36:57 AM

Holocaust Agnostic: Solon Isonomia: Holocaust Agnostic: Cinaed: If the founders of this nation had not had the FRENCH, the American Experiment would have never taken place.

Teabaggers can do as their original chosen name implies.

Meh. Coulda won without the French.

I think Cornwallis just at end of Yorktown would have disagreed with you.

I'm sure he would, but he would be wrong. Demographics is demographics. And holding down distant colonies when the natives are a bunch of angry uneducated yokels spread over a vast difficult wilderness is an unappealing prospect. Especially in the face of domestic unpopularity.


Just a quick couple questions; Do you know anything about history? Have you ever read about the Revolutionary War?
Bonus question; are you familiar with the theory and execution of a "naval blockade?"
 
2012-12-17 10:39:42 AM

hubiestubert: You know, it would be great if we had actual Civics education, and the Federalist Papers as required reading for the voting public.


I love the people who talk about how they are trying to restore the dream of the Federalist Papers and are basically advocating we turn America back into a confederacy. It's like they have no idea why the Federalist Papers were written in the first place or why we adopted the Constitution.
 
2012-12-17 10:39:49 AM
FTFA:

Now, suddenly, the Tea Party is everybody's whipping boy.


No, actually, it's everybody's laughingstock.
 
2012-12-17 10:39:59 AM
Please proceed, teabaggers.
 
2012-12-17 10:40:08 AM

sprawl15: Orange-Pippin: There has to be a Tea Party member on Fark that can explain this.

The main part of the law is what they have a problem with: if you import labor, you receive a 20% tax break on all shutdown costs overseas and all startup costs domestically. Lets say you want to start a Gadget Manufacturing Company, and you were looking at $10M in startup costs domestically. If you instead start the company overseas, with a much lower startup cost (say, $1.5M) and then import them shortly after, you receive $2.3M in tax breaks - a net gain for doing nothing.

There's a few other complaints (it covers companies relocating automated factories, it's Big Government telling corporations what to do, etc), but that's the primary one methinks.



If that's what the Tea Party thinks I think there are a couple issues. The labor is not being imported. I realize there are key terms like "insourcing" but it's rather misleading. Also, how is that example a net gain for doing nothing? If you start the Gadget company overseas for 1.5 million, shut it down, bring the company back to American soil at10 million (you can't possibly do it for free) -- you are still spending at least 8.5 million prior to the 2.3 million tax break. not to mention the cost of cleaning up the mess/empty factory left in China. Unless I'm missing something?
 
2012-12-17 10:42:40 AM

taoistlumberjak: Holocaust Agnostic: Solon Isonomia: Holocaust Agnostic: Cinaed: If the founders of this nation had not had the FRENCH, the American Experiment would have never taken place.

Teabaggers can do as their original chosen name implies.

Meh. Coulda won without the French.

I think Cornwallis just at end of Yorktown would have disagreed with you.

I'm sure he would, but he would be wrong. Demographics is demographics. And holding down distant colonies when the natives are a bunch of angry uneducated yokels spread over a vast difficult wilderness is an unappealing prospect. Especially in the face of domestic unpopularity.

Just a quick couple questions; Do you know anything about history? Have you ever read about the Revolutionary War?
Bonus question; are you familiar with the theory and execution of a "naval blockade?"


Yes yes and yes.
 
2012-12-17 10:44:17 AM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-17 10:45:21 AM
media.townhall.com
Troll type article detected
 
2012-12-17 10:46:21 AM

Parthenogenetic: Maturin: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 300x287]

What do you mean by this?

That America used to be like a white and delightsome slice of bread?

And now it is slowly becoming darker under the insidious influence of the flames of Hell, and that it will soon crumble and become a loathsome, moldy crust?

If so, then in the "hip" parlance of you whippersnappers, THIS.


Actually, toasted bread doesn't mold easily at all, especially compared to white bread. Which makes it more amusing.
 
2012-12-17 10:47:18 AM

Holocaust Agnostic: taoistlumberjak: Holocaust Agnostic: Solon Isonomia: Holocaust Agnostic: Cinaed: If the founders of this nation had not had the FRENCH, the American Experiment would have never taken place.

Teabaggers can do as their original chosen name implies.

Meh. Coulda won without the French.

I think Cornwallis just at end of Yorktown would have disagreed with you.

I'm sure he would, but he would be wrong. Demographics is demographics. And holding down distant colonies when the natives are a bunch of angry uneducated yokels spread over a vast difficult wilderness is an unappealing prospect. Especially in the face of domestic unpopularity.

Just a quick couple questions; Do you know anything about history? Have you ever read about the Revolutionary War?
Bonus question; are you familiar with the theory and execution of a "naval blockade?"

Yes yes and yes.


I re-read your comment, and realized I see where you're coming from. I completely disagree, as the French (and Spanish, to a very small extent) gave the British something to worry about in their own backyard, not to mention in the colonies. They did pretty much just say "farkit" and walk away, but we had a good amount of help towards getting them there.
 
2012-12-17 10:47:30 AM
Tea Party Paradox: The longer and louder; the more smaller and insignificant
 
2012-12-17 10:52:42 AM
You libs will be sorry on election day.

pixel.nymag.com
 
2012-12-17 10:57:26 AM
I will withhold judgment until a random poster or a poster who is fond of dairy products weighs in about this. Surely they can shed light on to how us libs are wrong about everything.
 
2012-12-17 10:57:50 AM

Vodka Zombie: Oh... Bless your little hearts, Teabaggers. You guys are just adorable when you think you're smart enough to accomplish something more mentally taxing than scribbling your illiteracy on a poster board.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_elections,_2010
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2010/results/state/

Minority Leader Pelosi and Majority Leader Cantor, along with Speaker Beohner all beg to differ.
 
2012-12-17 11:00:17 AM

coeyagi: I will withhold judgment until a random poster or a poster who is fond of dairy products weighs in about this. Surely they can shed light on to how us libs are wrong about everything.


randomjsa: Vodka Zombie: Oh... Bless your little hearts, Teabaggers. You guys are just adorable when you think you're smart enough to accomplish something more mentally taxing than scribbling your illiteracy on a poster board.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_elections,_2010
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2010/results/state/

Minority Leader Pelosi and Majority Leader Cantor, along with Speaker Beohner all beg to differ.


Jesus, I'm sorry Fark. I unleashed the kraken.
 
2012-12-17 11:00:32 AM
Wow... just, wow. After reading TFA I was all "What is this, I don't even." Then I started reading the comments. "No words. Just, no words." The snake is bound and determined to eat it's own tail and the best thing to do is to just stand back and let it. It won't be quick and it won't be pretty, but there is no stopping it. The more you tell it it is wrong, the more convinced that it becomes that it is correct and everyone else it lying. Then it doubles down and just keeps swallowing. Just let it go, because man, the rational GOP is long gone.
 
2012-12-17 11:02:26 AM

randomjsa: Vodka Zombie: Oh... Bless your little hearts, Teabaggers. You guys are just adorable when you think you're smart enough to accomplish something more mentally taxing than scribbling your illiteracy on a poster board.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_elections,_2010
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2010/results/state/

Minority Leader Pelosi and Majority Leader Cantor, along with Speaker Beohner all beg to differ.


Yes, and now the tide is swinging back. America is starting to realize the error of its ways. One day, so will you, when your keyboard becomes too crusty from copious fap sessions over internet pictures of Grover Norquist and Ronald Reagan.
 
2012-12-17 11:02:27 AM
Star Parker is a very clever writer for her audience. She talks about how the US has dropped in the "quality of life" ranking and also in an economic freedom poll without mentioning how this has happened or what could be changed to improve it.
 
2012-12-17 11:03:00 AM

Serious Black: hubiestubert: You know, it would be great if we had actual Civics education, and the Federalist Papers as required reading for the voting public.

I love the people who talk about how they are trying to restore the dream of the Federalist Papers and are basically advocating we turn America back into a confederacy. It's like they have no idea why the Federalist Papers were written in the first place or why we adopted the Constitution.


Not so much a dream of the Articles of the Confederation, but an understanding of what the Founders actually were thinking when folks invoke them. Madison, Jefferson, Morris, and the others who sat in the Constitutional Convention. The Articles of Confederation simply did not work--which is why folks sat down in 1787 for the Constitutional Convention. The Federalist Papers were published in order to get arguments for ratification into the public's hands. The Federalist Papers lay out the arguments for this new Constitution and powers, which were then fairly quickly amended with the Bill of Rights, which folks couldn't agree on fully for a bit. Even the Framers agreed that their document wasn't perfect, but it was the best that they could do at the time, and left room and provisions to keep the Constitution as a living document. It was certainly a group effort, one that was hotly debated at the time, and we have a House and Senate today because of that give and take, since many wanted lifelong appointees, a Congressionally appointed President for life, and a few other things that just didn't work for all the members of that Convention.

They were a storied lot, those who signed the Constitution; businessmen, patriots, a couple of outright crooks, a moon eyed astronomer who believed in five million worlds populated by intelligent beings, printers, lawyers, shipping magnates, men of lands and property, commoners who had done alright, the stay at homes, patriots, and even a few who had collected the taxes that folks had gotten up in arms about. Some saw their fortunes made, a good many lost them in land speculation, two died in duels, and even those who thought that erasing state boundaries on a regular basis would help keep apportionment equal. Heck, Daniel Carroll was even investigated on charges of land speculation and insider trading with the move of the capitol to DC. They weren't perfect, but it's good to understand the considerations and even internal arguments that they were having, especially since the US is now the eldest current system of Constitutional governance. There is good reason to understand their thinking on these issues to put them into context, even today.
 
2012-12-17 11:05:27 AM

randomjsa:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_elections,_2010
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2010/results/state/

Minority Leader Pelosi and Majority Leader Cantor, along with Speaker Beohner all beg to differ.


2010, a year that will live in teabaggery !11!!
 
2012-12-17 11:05:33 AM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: sprawl15: Orange-Pippin: There has to be a Tea Party member on Fark that can explain this.

The main part of the law is what they have a problem with: if you import labor, you receive a 20% tax break on all shutdown costs overseas and all startup costs domestically. Lets say you want to start a Gadget Manufacturing Company, and you were looking at $10M in startup costs domestically. If you instead start the company overseas, with a much lower startup cost (say, $1.5M) and then import them shortly after, you receive $2.3M in tax breaks - a net gain for doing nothing.

There's a few other complaints (it covers companies relocating automated factories, it's Big Government telling corporations what to do, etc), but that's the primary one methinks.

Given their widespread confusion about how tax brackets work it is remarkable that they have such a firm grip on the intricies of tax law with regards to international business operations.


Well, the Tea Party is largely mad at the law because Obama remains black. But they've always had some relatively educated old guard Republicans putting together impressive sounding news articles about it.
 
2012-12-17 11:05:34 AM
Remember Tea Partiers, you need to get your government-provided vanity plates if you really want to show what a rugged, bootstrappy, freedom-fighter you are.

4.bp.blogspot.com

www.theblaze.com
 
2012-12-17 11:08:58 AM

Hack Patooey: Xcott: First they have to articulate exactly what freedom they think is missing, and needs to be restored.

This could be a huge time-saver if they realize that they're trying to save some vague sense of liberty from an imaginary threat, like UN troops amassing in Mexico to put conservatives in boxcars. In that case, they can simply declare victory and go home happy.

No no no, FEMA ordered the autoracks prisoner boxcars, try and get your conspiracy theories correct.

Linky


i'm not sure you are right. the autoflex rail cars i found don't have shackle tie downs welded in. of course they may have been repurposed as tie down points for the cars. OTOH yours have FEMA shields (photoshopped) on the which is a nice touch.
 
2012-12-17 11:11:25 AM

randomjsa: Vodka Zombie: Oh... Bless your little hearts, Teabaggers. You guys are just adorable when you think you're smart enough to accomplish something more mentally taxing than scribbling your illiteracy on a poster board.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_elections,_2010
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2010/results/state/

Minority Leader Pelosi and Majority Leader Cantor, along with Speaker Beohner all beg to differ.


Sharon Angle, Todd Akins, Christine O Donnell, Richard Murdock, Joe Miller unavailable for comment.

Probably teabagging each other.
 
2012-12-17 11:11:34 AM
2media.nowpublic.net
 
2012-12-17 11:13:09 AM
If the founders of America....caved in the face of early defeats, the American miracle would have never occurred. Tea Partiers must hang together, hang tough, and continue the winnable fight to restore American freedom oppress everyone else

FTFY, subby. Your auto-correct appears to be on the fritz.
 
2012-12-17 11:13:39 AM

hubiestubert: They were a storied lot, those who signed the Constitution; businessmen, patriots, a couple of outright crooks, a moon eyed astronomer who believed in five million worlds populated by intelligent beings, printers, lawyers, shipping magnates, men of lands and property, commoners who had done alright, the stay at homes, patriots, and even a few who had collected the taxes that folks had gotten up in arms about.


You said "patriots" twice.
 
2012-12-17 11:13:53 AM
Am I the only one who kept seeing "wannabe" rather than "winnable"?
 
2012-12-17 11:14:21 AM

randomjsa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_elections,_2010
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2010/results/state/

Minority Leader Pelosi and Majority Leader Cantor, along with Speaker Beohner all beg to differ.


I remember that election. I still remember when the GOP took back the Senate from the Democrats.

Oh wait...that didn't happen. They managed to fail at something that should've been an easy win for them...twice.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
 
2012-12-17 11:16:21 AM

taoistlumberjak: Holocaust Agnostic: taoistlumberjak: Holocaust Agnostic: Solon Isonomia: Holocaust Agnostic: Cinaed: If the founders of this nation had not had the FRENCH, the American Experiment would have never taken place.

Teabaggers can do as their original chosen name implies.

Meh. Coulda won without the French.

I think Cornwallis just at end of Yorktown would have disagreed with you.

I'm sure he would, but he would be wrong. Demographics is demographics. And holding down distant colonies when the natives are a bunch of angry uneducated yokels spread over a vast difficult wilderness is an unappealing prospect. Especially in the face of domestic unpopularity.

Just a quick couple questions; Do you know anything about history? Have you ever read about the Revolutionary War?
Bonus question; are you familiar with the theory and execution of a "naval blockade?"

Yes yes and yes.

I re-read your comment, and realized I see where you're coming from. I completely disagree, as the French (and Spanish, to a very small extent) gave the British something to worry about in their own backyard, not to mention in the colonies. They did pretty much just say "farkit" and walk away, but we had a good amount of help towards getting them there.


We had a pittance of a Navy, a mediocre Army, and almost no money worth speaking of.

Without the French, we had no chance of winning the war. Would it have gone on for quite a while? Sure. Would we ultimately win? No.

Think of how the Civil War turned out. Now imagine that the Brits as the Union, and the Americans as the Confederates. Perhaps not as bloody, but the end result would be the same.
 
2012-12-17 11:19:22 AM
Which freedom would that be?

1. Freedom from having to be offended by other people getting gay married?

2. Freedom to pressure other people to conform to your religious views?

3. Freedom to torture or imprison people indefinitely without trial
 
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