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(Townhall)   If the founders of America....caved in the face of early defeats, the American miracle would have never occurred. Tea Partiers must hang together, hang tough, and continue the winnable fight to restore American freedom   (townhall.com) divider line 140
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2012-12-17 07:35:47 AM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-17 07:41:37 AM  
Oh... Bless your little hearts, Teabaggers. You guys are just adorable when you think you're smart enough to accomplish something more mentally taxing than scribbling your illiteracy on a poster board.
 
2012-12-17 07:47:51 AM  

cretinbob: [25.media.tumblr.com image 425x281]


LOL. Those were the exact words I was going to post.

That image is so much better.
 
2012-12-17 08:23:32 AM  

cretinbob:


Done in one.

Going by the headline, did anyone else think American Thinker?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-17 08:25:47 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-17 08:36:20 AM  
Economic Freedom = Foxconn in Detroit
 
2012-12-17 09:13:08 AM  
Please, Star Parker, quit chewing the Teabag, OK.
 
2012-12-17 09:14:13 AM  
"Restore American freedom"?

You mean they're going to bring the 4th amendment back?
 
2012-12-17 09:45:31 AM  
Please proceed, Tea-per Tantrum.
 
2012-12-17 09:46:35 AM  
Hero?
 
2012-12-17 09:48:08 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: "Restore American freedom"?

You mean they're going to bring the 4th amendment back?


That went away years ago when "DUI checkpoints" were considered constitutional by the SCOTUS (I'm sure other examples exist prior that)
 
2012-12-17 09:49:00 AM  
They could team up with the Flat Earth Society and form a new completely stupid organization.
 
2012-12-17 09:50:38 AM  
"If the founders of America....caved in the face of early defeats..."

Didn't the Founders remain steadfast against oppression of the common citizen by the wealthy and privileged? Consider a rename to East India Teabagger Company.
 
2012-12-17 09:50:41 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: "Restore American freedom"?

You mean they're going to bring the 4th amendment back?


Sure*

* 4th amendment not applicable to women, gays, muslims, democrats, rinos, blacks, mexicans,...
 
2012-12-17 09:51:13 AM  
Its sad and scary how much sway stupid and angry has in this country.
 
2012-12-17 09:52:09 AM  
Pretty sure the founders caved pretty quickly in any attempt to address slavery.
 
2012-12-17 09:53:42 AM  
The founders made damn sure that ignorant poor people like the majority of Tea Baggers, where not part of the planning process.
 
2012-12-17 09:53:56 AM  
If the founders of this nation had not had the FRENCH, the American Experiment would have never taken place.

Teabaggers can do as their original chosen name implies.
 
2012-12-17 09:54:17 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: cretinbob: [25.media.tumblr.com image 425x281]

LOL.


is what i first thought to say
 
2012-12-17 09:55:03 AM  
That's right. You're not wrong. You're American heroes, you can't be wrong. America doesn't know what's good for it. So drink your tea and put another brick in the wall.
 
2012-12-17 09:55:46 AM  
The tea party is destroying the GOP. Keep up the good work.
 
2012-12-17 09:59:00 AM  
I guess the freedom to not be free is a kind of freedom
 
2012-12-17 09:59:44 AM  

liverleef: The tea party is destroying the GOP. Keep up the good work.


This, really. The longer the Tea Party exists, the harder it is on the GOP to get its house in order.

At the moment, the Tea Party retards are far more interested in fighting the GOP than the Democrats. That's the downside of having a 24/7 derp machine with years in between elections.

In the lull, they eat their own.
 
2012-12-17 10:00:32 AM  
What "freedoms" are these folks fighting for exactly?

Economic freedom? Because promoting corporate profits over local growth actually limits social mobility and competition in the markets.

Religious freedom? Because freedom of religion means that the government doesn't interfere with anyone's right to worship--or not worship--no matter their faith. That means Mormons, Muslims, Buddhists and even atheists have the right to pursue their faith without support or hinderance.

Privacy? Because a lot of the laws that TEA Party patriots seem to advocate run exactly counter to that.

Equality? Because championing the cause of those who want to see limits on the rights of citizens to marry doesn't sound much like "freedom"...
 
2012-12-17 10:00:54 AM  
First they have to articulate exactly what freedom they think is missing, and needs to be restored.

This could be a huge time-saver if they realize that they're trying to save some vague sense of liberty from an imaginary threat, like UN troops amassing in Mexico to put conservatives in boxcars. In that case, they can simply declare victory and go home happy.
 
2012-12-17 10:04:37 AM  

hubiestubert: What "freedoms" are these folks fighting for exactly?

Economic freedom? Because promoting corporate profits over local growth actually limits social mobility and competition in the markets.

Religious freedom? Because freedom of religion means that the government doesn't interfere with anyone's right to worship--or not worship--no matter their faith. That means Mormons, Muslims, Buddhists and even atheists have the right to pursue their faith without support or hinderance.

Privacy? Because a lot of the laws that TEA Party patriots seem to advocate run exactly counter to that.

Equality? Because championing the cause of those who want to see limits on the rights of citizens to marry doesn't sound much like "freedom"...


The freedom to not have a niBOONG in the White House.

Duh.
 
2012-12-17 10:04:59 AM  
No clicks for TownHall.

What's this about?
 
2012-12-17 10:06:22 AM  
FTA: According to data just published by the United Nations, in 2011 China surpassed, for the first time, the United States as the world's leading manufacturer.
Response Blocked:The Bring Jobs Home Act would provide a 20% tax break for the costs of moving jobs back to the United States and would rescind business expense deductions available to companies that are associated with the cost of moving operations overseas..."


There has to be a Tea Party member on Fark that can explain this.
 
2012-12-17 10:07:32 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-17 10:07:50 AM  
If they were actually supportive of freedom for everyone and not just freedom for white, rich, non-Hispanic, pro-forced birth, pro-heterosexual, Evangelical Christians, I would be 100% on board with the Tea Party.
 
2012-12-17 10:07:52 AM  

Cinaed: If the founders of this nation had not had the FRENCH, the American Experiment would have never taken place.

Teabaggers can do as their original chosen name implies.


Meh. Coulda won without the French.
 
2012-12-17 10:08:21 AM  

undernova: No clicks for TownHall.

What's this about?


Whirling Derpishes. That's what it's about.
 
2012-12-17 10:08:59 AM  

Orange-Pippin: FTA: According to data just published by the United Nations, in 2011 China surpassed, for the first time, the United States as the world's leading manufacturer.
Response Blocked:The Bring Jobs Home Act would provide a 20% tax break for the costs of moving jobs back to the United States and would rescind business expense deductions available to companies that are associated with the cost of moving operations overseas..."


There has to be a Tea Party member on Fark that can explain this.


It doesn't support the "job creators" **gag**.
 
2012-12-17 10:09:03 AM  

Orange-Pippin: FTA: According to data just published by the United Nations, in 2011 China surpassed, for the first time, the United States as the world's leading manufacturer.
Response Blocked:The Bring Jobs Home Act would provide a 20% tax break for the costs of moving jobs back to the United States and would rescind business expense deductions available to companies that are associated with the cost of moving operations overseas..."


There has to be a Tea Party member on Fark that can explain this.


There was but he thought the transmitter for his wireless mouse was a Chiclet and he choked to death.
 
2012-12-17 10:09:31 AM  
Dear TownHall editors,

Please contact the person who is the subject of this article and this thread. I am sure, with her unfailing support, the Tea Party will achieve all of their goals and more.

We eagerly await the comedic results.

Signed,

The Sober Citizens of America
 
 
2012-12-17 10:09:42 AM  

Xcott: First they have to articulate exactly what freedom they think is missing, and needs to be restored.

This could be a huge time-saver if they realize that they're trying to save some vague sense of liberty from an imaginary threat, like UN troops amassing in Mexico to put conservatives in boxcars. In that case, they can simply declare victory and go home happy.


No no no, FEMA ordered the autoracks prisoner boxcars, try and get your conspiracy theories correct.

Linky
 
2012-12-17 10:09:44 AM  

hubiestubert: What "freedoms" are these folks fighting for exactly?

Economic freedom? Because promoting corporate profits over local growth actually limits social mobility and competition in the markets.

Religious freedom? Because freedom of religion means that the government doesn't interfere with anyone's right to worship--or not worship--no matter their faith. That means Mormons, Muslims, Buddhists and even atheists have the right to pursue their faith without support or hinderance.

Privacy? Because a lot of the laws that TEA Party patriots seem to advocate run exactly counter to that.

Equality? Because championing the cause of those who want to see limits on the rights of citizens to marry doesn't sound much like "freedom"...


Their freedom to demand that everyone be god fearing Christians, to pay no taxes (but recieve their own benefits, the "got mine so fark yours" crowd) and to have an arsenal of weaponry that can rival a battalion of Marines.

Oh and by their freedom, I mean, their *personal* freedom. Other people's freedom isn't important.
 
2012-12-17 10:12:30 AM  
where were these people when bush was president? y'know, warrantless wiretapping, total information awareness, TSA, endless war, all those liberty destroying things? (speaking of expanded government, medicare part D too, but i'm not complaining about that)
 
2012-12-17 10:12:36 AM  

Holocaust Agnostic: Cinaed: If the founders of this nation had not had the FRENCH, the American Experiment would have never taken place.

Teabaggers can do as their original chosen name implies.

Meh. Coulda won without the French.


I think Cornwallis just at end of Yorktown would have disagreed with you.
 
2012-12-17 10:15:04 AM  

mentula: where were these people when bush was president? y'know, warrantless wiretapping, total information awareness, TSA, endless war, all those liberty destroying things? (speaking of expanded government, medicare part D too, but i'm not complaining about that)


bush had the decency to be white! study it out!
 
2012-12-17 10:17:45 AM  
You know who else overcame early defeats in an attempt to restore his country to its former greatness?

It may be that the reason the Tea Party's having trouble is because their ideas suck.
 
2012-12-17 10:17:55 AM  

Xcott: First they have to articulate exactly what freedom they think is missing, and needs to be restored.

This could be a huge time-saver if they realize that they're trying to save some vague sense of liberty from an imaginary threat, like UN troops amassing in Mexico to put conservatives in boxcars. In that case, they can simply declare victory and go home happy.


Freedom is code for "White, Anglo-Saxon Protestant privilege."
 
2012-12-17 10:18:10 AM  

Maturin: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 300x287]


What do you mean by this?

That America used to be like a white and delightsome slice of bread?

And now it is slowly becoming darker under the insidious influence of the flames of Hell, and that it will soon crumble and become a loathsome, moldy crust?

If so, then in the "hip" parlance of you whippersnappers, THIS.
 
2012-12-17 10:18:26 AM  
Why the Hero tag?
What, are the unlikely and stupid tags busy protesting Obummercare?
 
2012-12-17 10:19:27 AM  

mentula: where were these people when bush was president? y'know, warrantless wiretapping, total information awareness, TSA, endless war, all those liberty destroying things? (speaking of expanded government, medicare part D too, but i'm not complaining about that)


It was OK then because George Bush was a Republican so obviously everything he did was for the good of the country. You can tell because of the (R) next to his name, the news always colored his name in Red, and his mascot was the Elephant.
 
2012-12-17 10:20:13 AM  

Orange-Pippin: There has to be a Tea Party member on Fark that can explain this.


The main part of the law is what they have a problem with: if you import labor, you receive a 20% tax break on all shutdown costs overseas and all startup costs domestically. Lets say you want to start a Gadget Manufacturing Company, and you were looking at $10M in startup costs domestically. If you instead start the company overseas, with a much lower startup cost (say, $1.5M) and then import them shortly after, you receive $2.3M in tax breaks - a net gain for doing nothing.

There's a few other complaints (it covers companies relocating automated factories, it's Big Government telling corporations what to do, etc), but that's the primary one methinks.
 
2012-12-17 10:20:35 AM  

SuperT: mentula: where were these people when bush was president? y'know, warrantless wiretapping, total information awareness, TSA, endless war, all those liberty destroying things? (speaking of expanded government, medicare part D too, but i'm not complaining about that)

bush had the decency to be white! study it out!


And he wasn't a farking Jihadist either like the Usurper-in-chief.
 
2012-12-17 10:21:13 AM  

Parthenogenetic: Maturin: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 300x287]

What do you mean by this?

That America used to be like a white and delightsome slice of bread?

And now it is slowly becoming darker under the insidious influence of the flames of Hell, and that it will soon crumble and become a loathsome, moldy crust?

If so, then in the "hip" parlance of you whippersnappers, THIS.


images.zap2it.com

Maybe he just likes toast.
 
2012-12-17 10:21:44 AM  
Never give up! Trust your instincts!
 
2012-12-17 10:22:36 AM  

Serious Black: SuperT: mentula: where were these people when bush was president? y'know, warrantless wiretapping, total information awareness, TSA, endless war, all those liberty destroying things? (speaking of expanded government, medicare part D too, but i'm not complaining about that)

bush had the decency to be white! study it out!

And he wasn't a farking Jihadist either like the Usurper-in-chief.


Uhhh...Romney lost. It's "Usurpist" now.
 
2012-12-17 10:22:45 AM  
Good ol' Star Parker. Another idiot who thinks that if she demonstrates a commonality with the racist, radical Teabaggers, they will treat her like a pet instead of like cattle.
 
2012-12-17 10:23:30 AM  

error 303: Never give up! Trust your instincts!


Wait. Is the Tea Party the Death Star in this analogy?
 
2012-12-17 10:23:35 AM  

SuperT: mentula: where were these people when bush was president? y'know, warrantless wiretapping, total information awareness, TSA, endless war, all those liberty destroying things? (speaking of expanded government, medicare part D too, but i'm not complaining about that)

bush had the decency to be white! study it out!


I am not sure even that is all of it - they were fairly rabid when Clinton was in (think of Starr and all that) - it is more they are purely partisan regardless of content - a policy is bad if supported by a D, and good if support by an R, regardless of what the policies actually are. Obama being not-white more affects the "flavor" of the opposition to him that the volume/nuttiness involved, although no doubt there are plenty of extreme racists that would oppose him loudly regardless of politics, and some marginal republican partisans that have moved into the auto-reflex crowd by the fact he is black, but I think the bulk of them would do the same sort of things regardless of race.
 
2012-12-17 10:24:08 AM  
UM....Triple Down???
 
2012-12-17 10:25:10 AM  
the tea partiers are more akin to the loyalist colonials during the revolution
 
2012-12-17 10:26:03 AM  

Solon Isonomia: Holocaust Agnostic: Cinaed: If the founders of this nation had not had the FRENCH, the American Experiment would have never taken place.

Teabaggers can do as their original chosen name implies.

Meh. Coulda won without the French.

I think Cornwallis just at end of Yorktown would have disagreed with you.


I'm sure he would, but he would be wrong. Demographics is demographics. And holding down distant colonies when the natives are a bunch of angry uneducated yokels spread over a vast difficult wilderness is an unappealing prospect. Especially in the face of domestic unpopularity.
 
2012-12-17 10:26:13 AM  
I misread "winnable" as "wannabe".
 
2012-12-17 10:26:53 AM  

mentula: where were these people when bush was president? y'know, warrantless wiretapping, total information awareness, TSA, endless war, all those liberty destroying things? (speaking of expanded government, medicare part D too, but i'm not complaining about that)


Remember, it's "My party, right or wrong". And the Republican party and their TEA Party friends are never wrong. Fox News told me so.

/sheesh
 
2012-12-17 10:26:58 AM  

jayhawk88: mentula: where were these people when bush was president? y'know, warrantless wiretapping, total information awareness, TSA, endless war, all those liberty destroying things? (speaking of expanded government, medicare part D too, but i'm not complaining about that)

It was OK then because George Bush was a Republican so obviously everything he did was for the good of the country. You can tell because of the (R) next to his name, the news always colored his name in Red, and his mascot was the Elephant.


It was OK because Bush only planned to use those law enforcement tools on terrorists.

And pacifists, because anybody who opposes the War on Terror is obviously a terrorist sympathizer. And Quakers, because f*ck oatmeal, man! And drug dealers, because drugs are bad. And the ACLU. And the Black Panthers. And maybe the abortion movement needs to be monitored, because they have a history of resorting to violence when they don't get their way.

Anyway, you get the idea. We're only supposed to spy on people who hate America.

It's 0bama who's expanding those powers to include Real Americans. That's why it was so important for the GOP to remain in charge forever - the liberals can't resist abusing their powers. Wake up sheeple!
 
2012-12-17 10:27:47 AM  
This is why Obama needs to run for a third term.
If he doesn't, these blowhards might actually get someone into office.
 
2012-12-17 10:29:25 AM  

AdamK: the tea partiers are more akin to the loyalist colonials during the revolution


screw you. loyalist were british patriots, teabaggers are gullible chumps.
 
2012-12-17 10:31:24 AM  

AnEvilGuest: AdamK: the tea partiers are more akin to the loyalist colonials during the revolution

screw you. loyalist were british patriots, teabaggers are gullible chumps.


okay, they're more akin to the village idiots during the revolution
 
2012-12-17 10:32:17 AM  

Infernalist: liverleef: The tea party is destroying the GOP. Keep up the good work.

This, really. The longer the Tea Party exists, the harder it is on the GOP to get its house in order.

At the moment, the Tea Party retards are far more interested in fighting the GOP than the Democrats. That's the downside of having a 24/7 derp machine with years in between elections.

In the lull, they eat their own.


I am curious about the departure (and buyout) of Dick Armey from Freedom Works. Specifically, whether it indicates an upcoming change in approach, or a refusal to change.
 
2012-12-17 10:32:40 AM  

neenerist: "If the founders of America....caved in the face of early defeats..."

Didn't the Founders remain steadfast against oppression of the common citizen by the wealthy and privileged? Consider a rename to East India Teabagger Company.


How the original Tea Party protesters dressed in Boston in 1773...

ushistoryimages.com

How an officer of the East India Company Army dressed in those days...

d2cdm2jef6kgc7.cloudfront.net

How the modern Tea Party LARPer dresses.

southpawbeagle.files.wordpress.com

You know: I think you may be onto something.
 
2012-12-17 10:32:42 AM  

sprawl15: Orange-Pippin: There has to be a Tea Party member on Fark that can explain this.

The main part of the law is what they have a problem with: if you import labor, you receive a 20% tax break on all shutdown costs overseas and all startup costs domestically. Lets say you want to start a Gadget Manufacturing Company, and you were looking at $10M in startup costs domestically. If you instead start the company overseas, with a much lower startup cost (say, $1.5M) and then import them shortly after, you receive $2.3M in tax breaks - a net gain for doing nothing.

There's a few other complaints (it covers companies relocating automated factories, it's Big Government telling corporations what to do, etc), but that's the primary one methinks.


Given their widespread confusion about how tax brackets work it is remarkable that they have such a firm grip on the intricies of tax law with regards to international business operations.
 
2012-12-17 10:32:43 AM  

heinekenftw: hubiestubert: What "freedoms" are these folks fighting for exactly?

Economic freedom? Because promoting corporate profits over local growth actually limits social mobility and competition in the markets.

Religious freedom? Because freedom of religion means that the government doesn't interfere with anyone's right to worship--or not worship--no matter their faith. That means Mormons, Muslims, Buddhists and even atheists have the right to pursue their faith without support or hinderance.

Privacy? Because a lot of the laws that TEA Party patriots seem to advocate run exactly counter to that.

Equality? Because championing the cause of those who want to see limits on the rights of citizens to marry doesn't sound much like "freedom"...

Their freedom to demand that everyone be god fearing Christians, to pay no taxes (but recieve their own benefits, the "got mine so fark yours" crowd) and to have an arsenal of weaponry that can rival a battalion of Marines.

Oh and by their freedom, I mean, their *personal* freedom. Other people's freedom isn't important.


You know, it would be great if we had actual Civics education, and the Federalist Papers as required reading for the voting public.

Got this on my shelf right now, and looking forward to it.

i43.tower.com

Right after this, which looks like a lot of fun too.

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2012-12-17 10:34:17 AM  

vpb: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 800x1100]


Umm...Beavis and Butthead's neighbor is not a Tea Partier. He's just pissed about them boy's whackin' off in his tool shed.
 
2012-12-17 10:36:23 AM  

AnEvilGuest: AdamK: the tea partiers are more akin to the loyalist colonials during the revolution

screw you. loyalist were british patriots, teabaggers are gullible chumps.


It is sort of interesting that folks who use the TEA Party imagery seem to be looking defend corporate profits. Which was sort of the issue with the original Tea Party, in that the Crown instituted taxes to generate even MOAR profits on products that it owned stock in, and limited supply on to keep prices fixed at an artificial rate. The thing is: if the colonists had just been given a few seats at the table, the British could have saved themselves a lot of hassle and concentrated on the French and Spanish...
 
2012-12-17 10:36:51 AM  
"Freedoms like the freedom to deny marriage rights to people we disagree with, by leveraging the power of Big Government to cater to our specific desires!"
 
2012-12-17 10:36:57 AM  

Holocaust Agnostic: Solon Isonomia: Holocaust Agnostic: Cinaed: If the founders of this nation had not had the FRENCH, the American Experiment would have never taken place.

Teabaggers can do as their original chosen name implies.

Meh. Coulda won without the French.

I think Cornwallis just at end of Yorktown would have disagreed with you.

I'm sure he would, but he would be wrong. Demographics is demographics. And holding down distant colonies when the natives are a bunch of angry uneducated yokels spread over a vast difficult wilderness is an unappealing prospect. Especially in the face of domestic unpopularity.


Just a quick couple questions; Do you know anything about history? Have you ever read about the Revolutionary War?
Bonus question; are you familiar with the theory and execution of a "naval blockade?"
 
2012-12-17 10:39:42 AM  

hubiestubert: You know, it would be great if we had actual Civics education, and the Federalist Papers as required reading for the voting public.


I love the people who talk about how they are trying to restore the dream of the Federalist Papers and are basically advocating we turn America back into a confederacy. It's like they have no idea why the Federalist Papers were written in the first place or why we adopted the Constitution.
 
2012-12-17 10:39:49 AM  
FTFA:

Now, suddenly, the Tea Party is everybody's whipping boy.


No, actually, it's everybody's laughingstock.
 
2012-12-17 10:39:59 AM  
Please proceed, teabaggers.
 
2012-12-17 10:40:08 AM  

sprawl15: Orange-Pippin: There has to be a Tea Party member on Fark that can explain this.

The main part of the law is what they have a problem with: if you import labor, you receive a 20% tax break on all shutdown costs overseas and all startup costs domestically. Lets say you want to start a Gadget Manufacturing Company, and you were looking at $10M in startup costs domestically. If you instead start the company overseas, with a much lower startup cost (say, $1.5M) and then import them shortly after, you receive $2.3M in tax breaks - a net gain for doing nothing.

There's a few other complaints (it covers companies relocating automated factories, it's Big Government telling corporations what to do, etc), but that's the primary one methinks.



If that's what the Tea Party thinks I think there are a couple issues. The labor is not being imported. I realize there are key terms like "insourcing" but it's rather misleading. Also, how is that example a net gain for doing nothing? If you start the Gadget company overseas for 1.5 million, shut it down, bring the company back to American soil at10 million (you can't possibly do it for free) -- you are still spending at least 8.5 million prior to the 2.3 million tax break. not to mention the cost of cleaning up the mess/empty factory left in China. Unless I'm missing something?
 
2012-12-17 10:42:40 AM  

taoistlumberjak: Holocaust Agnostic: Solon Isonomia: Holocaust Agnostic: Cinaed: If the founders of this nation had not had the FRENCH, the American Experiment would have never taken place.

Teabaggers can do as their original chosen name implies.

Meh. Coulda won without the French.

I think Cornwallis just at end of Yorktown would have disagreed with you.

I'm sure he would, but he would be wrong. Demographics is demographics. And holding down distant colonies when the natives are a bunch of angry uneducated yokels spread over a vast difficult wilderness is an unappealing prospect. Especially in the face of domestic unpopularity.

Just a quick couple questions; Do you know anything about history? Have you ever read about the Revolutionary War?
Bonus question; are you familiar with the theory and execution of a "naval blockade?"


Yes yes and yes.
 
2012-12-17 10:44:17 AM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-17 10:45:21 AM  
media.townhall.com
Troll type article detected
 
2012-12-17 10:46:21 AM  

Parthenogenetic: Maturin: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 300x287]

What do you mean by this?

That America used to be like a white and delightsome slice of bread?

And now it is slowly becoming darker under the insidious influence of the flames of Hell, and that it will soon crumble and become a loathsome, moldy crust?

If so, then in the "hip" parlance of you whippersnappers, THIS.


Actually, toasted bread doesn't mold easily at all, especially compared to white bread. Which makes it more amusing.
 
2012-12-17 10:47:18 AM  

Holocaust Agnostic: taoistlumberjak: Holocaust Agnostic: Solon Isonomia: Holocaust Agnostic: Cinaed: If the founders of this nation had not had the FRENCH, the American Experiment would have never taken place.

Teabaggers can do as their original chosen name implies.

Meh. Coulda won without the French.

I think Cornwallis just at end of Yorktown would have disagreed with you.

I'm sure he would, but he would be wrong. Demographics is demographics. And holding down distant colonies when the natives are a bunch of angry uneducated yokels spread over a vast difficult wilderness is an unappealing prospect. Especially in the face of domestic unpopularity.

Just a quick couple questions; Do you know anything about history? Have you ever read about the Revolutionary War?
Bonus question; are you familiar with the theory and execution of a "naval blockade?"

Yes yes and yes.


I re-read your comment, and realized I see where you're coming from. I completely disagree, as the French (and Spanish, to a very small extent) gave the British something to worry about in their own backyard, not to mention in the colonies. They did pretty much just say "farkit" and walk away, but we had a good amount of help towards getting them there.
 
2012-12-17 10:47:30 AM  
Tea Party Paradox: The longer and louder; the more smaller and insignificant
 
2012-12-17 10:52:42 AM  
You libs will be sorry on election day.

pixel.nymag.com
 
2012-12-17 10:57:26 AM  
I will withhold judgment until a random poster or a poster who is fond of dairy products weighs in about this. Surely they can shed light on to how us libs are wrong about everything.
 
2012-12-17 10:57:50 AM  

Vodka Zombie: Oh... Bless your little hearts, Teabaggers. You guys are just adorable when you think you're smart enough to accomplish something more mentally taxing than scribbling your illiteracy on a poster board.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_elections,_2010
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2010/results/state/

Minority Leader Pelosi and Majority Leader Cantor, along with Speaker Beohner all beg to differ.
 
2012-12-17 11:00:17 AM  

coeyagi: I will withhold judgment until a random poster or a poster who is fond of dairy products weighs in about this. Surely they can shed light on to how us libs are wrong about everything.


randomjsa: Vodka Zombie: Oh... Bless your little hearts, Teabaggers. You guys are just adorable when you think you're smart enough to accomplish something more mentally taxing than scribbling your illiteracy on a poster board.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_elections,_2010
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2010/results/state/

Minority Leader Pelosi and Majority Leader Cantor, along with Speaker Beohner all beg to differ.


Jesus, I'm sorry Fark. I unleashed the kraken.
 
2012-12-17 11:00:32 AM  
Wow... just, wow. After reading TFA I was all "What is this, I don't even." Then I started reading the comments. "No words. Just, no words." The snake is bound and determined to eat it's own tail and the best thing to do is to just stand back and let it. It won't be quick and it won't be pretty, but there is no stopping it. The more you tell it it is wrong, the more convinced that it becomes that it is correct and everyone else it lying. Then it doubles down and just keeps swallowing. Just let it go, because man, the rational GOP is long gone.
 
2012-12-17 11:02:26 AM  

randomjsa: Vodka Zombie: Oh... Bless your little hearts, Teabaggers. You guys are just adorable when you think you're smart enough to accomplish something more mentally taxing than scribbling your illiteracy on a poster board.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_elections,_2010
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2010/results/state/

Minority Leader Pelosi and Majority Leader Cantor, along with Speaker Beohner all beg to differ.


Yes, and now the tide is swinging back. America is starting to realize the error of its ways. One day, so will you, when your keyboard becomes too crusty from copious fap sessions over internet pictures of Grover Norquist and Ronald Reagan.
 
2012-12-17 11:02:27 AM  
Star Parker is a very clever writer for her audience. She talks about how the US has dropped in the "quality of life" ranking and also in an economic freedom poll without mentioning how this has happened or what could be changed to improve it.
 
2012-12-17 11:03:00 AM  

Serious Black: hubiestubert: You know, it would be great if we had actual Civics education, and the Federalist Papers as required reading for the voting public.

I love the people who talk about how they are trying to restore the dream of the Federalist Papers and are basically advocating we turn America back into a confederacy. It's like they have no idea why the Federalist Papers were written in the first place or why we adopted the Constitution.


Not so much a dream of the Articles of the Confederation, but an understanding of what the Founders actually were thinking when folks invoke them. Madison, Jefferson, Morris, and the others who sat in the Constitutional Convention. The Articles of Confederation simply did not work--which is why folks sat down in 1787 for the Constitutional Convention. The Federalist Papers were published in order to get arguments for ratification into the public's hands. The Federalist Papers lay out the arguments for this new Constitution and powers, which were then fairly quickly amended with the Bill of Rights, which folks couldn't agree on fully for a bit. Even the Framers agreed that their document wasn't perfect, but it was the best that they could do at the time, and left room and provisions to keep the Constitution as a living document. It was certainly a group effort, one that was hotly debated at the time, and we have a House and Senate today because of that give and take, since many wanted lifelong appointees, a Congressionally appointed President for life, and a few other things that just didn't work for all the members of that Convention.

They were a storied lot, those who signed the Constitution; businessmen, patriots, a couple of outright crooks, a moon eyed astronomer who believed in five million worlds populated by intelligent beings, printers, lawyers, shipping magnates, men of lands and property, commoners who had done alright, the stay at homes, patriots, and even a few who had collected the taxes that folks had gotten up in arms about. Some saw their fortunes made, a good many lost them in land speculation, two died in duels, and even those who thought that erasing state boundaries on a regular basis would help keep apportionment equal. Heck, Daniel Carroll was even investigated on charges of land speculation and insider trading with the move of the capitol to DC. They weren't perfect, but it's good to understand the considerations and even internal arguments that they were having, especially since the US is now the eldest current system of Constitutional governance. There is good reason to understand their thinking on these issues to put them into context, even today.
 
2012-12-17 11:05:27 AM  

randomjsa:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_elections,_2010
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2010/results/state/

Minority Leader Pelosi and Majority Leader Cantor, along with Speaker Beohner all beg to differ.


2010, a year that will live in teabaggery !11!!
 
2012-12-17 11:05:33 AM  

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: sprawl15: Orange-Pippin: There has to be a Tea Party member on Fark that can explain this.

The main part of the law is what they have a problem with: if you import labor, you receive a 20% tax break on all shutdown costs overseas and all startup costs domestically. Lets say you want to start a Gadget Manufacturing Company, and you were looking at $10M in startup costs domestically. If you instead start the company overseas, with a much lower startup cost (say, $1.5M) and then import them shortly after, you receive $2.3M in tax breaks - a net gain for doing nothing.

There's a few other complaints (it covers companies relocating automated factories, it's Big Government telling corporations what to do, etc), but that's the primary one methinks.

Given their widespread confusion about how tax brackets work it is remarkable that they have such a firm grip on the intricies of tax law with regards to international business operations.


Well, the Tea Party is largely mad at the law because Obama remains black. But they've always had some relatively educated old guard Republicans putting together impressive sounding news articles about it.
 
2012-12-17 11:05:34 AM  
Remember Tea Partiers, you need to get your government-provided vanity plates if you really want to show what a rugged, bootstrappy, freedom-fighter you are.

4.bp.blogspot.com

www.theblaze.com
 
2012-12-17 11:08:58 AM  

Hack Patooey: Xcott: First they have to articulate exactly what freedom they think is missing, and needs to be restored.

This could be a huge time-saver if they realize that they're trying to save some vague sense of liberty from an imaginary threat, like UN troops amassing in Mexico to put conservatives in boxcars. In that case, they can simply declare victory and go home happy.

No no no, FEMA ordered the autoracks prisoner boxcars, try and get your conspiracy theories correct.

Linky


i'm not sure you are right. the autoflex rail cars i found don't have shackle tie downs welded in. of course they may have been repurposed as tie down points for the cars. OTOH yours have FEMA shields (photoshopped) on the which is a nice touch.
 
2012-12-17 11:11:25 AM  

randomjsa: Vodka Zombie: Oh... Bless your little hearts, Teabaggers. You guys are just adorable when you think you're smart enough to accomplish something more mentally taxing than scribbling your illiteracy on a poster board.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_elections,_2010
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2010/results/state/

Minority Leader Pelosi and Majority Leader Cantor, along with Speaker Beohner all beg to differ.


Sharon Angle, Todd Akins, Christine O Donnell, Richard Murdock, Joe Miller unavailable for comment.

Probably teabagging each other.
 
2012-12-17 11:11:34 AM  
2media.nowpublic.net
 
2012-12-17 11:13:09 AM  
If the founders of America....caved in the face of early defeats, the American miracle would have never occurred. Tea Partiers must hang together, hang tough, and continue the winnable fight to restore American freedom oppress everyone else

FTFY, subby. Your auto-correct appears to be on the fritz.
 
2012-12-17 11:13:39 AM  

hubiestubert: They were a storied lot, those who signed the Constitution; businessmen, patriots, a couple of outright crooks, a moon eyed astronomer who believed in five million worlds populated by intelligent beings, printers, lawyers, shipping magnates, men of lands and property, commoners who had done alright, the stay at homes, patriots, and even a few who had collected the taxes that folks had gotten up in arms about.


You said "patriots" twice.
 
2012-12-17 11:13:53 AM  
Am I the only one who kept seeing "wannabe" rather than "winnable"?
 
2012-12-17 11:14:21 AM  

randomjsa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_elections,_2010
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2010/results/state/

Minority Leader Pelosi and Majority Leader Cantor, along with Speaker Beohner all beg to differ.


I remember that election. I still remember when the GOP took back the Senate from the Democrats.

Oh wait...that didn't happen. They managed to fail at something that should've been an easy win for them...twice.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
 
2012-12-17 11:16:21 AM  

taoistlumberjak: Holocaust Agnostic: taoistlumberjak: Holocaust Agnostic: Solon Isonomia: Holocaust Agnostic: Cinaed: If the founders of this nation had not had the FRENCH, the American Experiment would have never taken place.

Teabaggers can do as their original chosen name implies.

Meh. Coulda won without the French.

I think Cornwallis just at end of Yorktown would have disagreed with you.

I'm sure he would, but he would be wrong. Demographics is demographics. And holding down distant colonies when the natives are a bunch of angry uneducated yokels spread over a vast difficult wilderness is an unappealing prospect. Especially in the face of domestic unpopularity.

Just a quick couple questions; Do you know anything about history? Have you ever read about the Revolutionary War?
Bonus question; are you familiar with the theory and execution of a "naval blockade?"

Yes yes and yes.

I re-read your comment, and realized I see where you're coming from. I completely disagree, as the French (and Spanish, to a very small extent) gave the British something to worry about in their own backyard, not to mention in the colonies. They did pretty much just say "farkit" and walk away, but we had a good amount of help towards getting them there.


We had a pittance of a Navy, a mediocre Army, and almost no money worth speaking of.

Without the French, we had no chance of winning the war. Would it have gone on for quite a while? Sure. Would we ultimately win? No.

Think of how the Civil War turned out. Now imagine that the Brits as the Union, and the Americans as the Confederates. Perhaps not as bloody, but the end result would be the same.
 
2012-12-17 11:19:22 AM  
Which freedom would that be?

1. Freedom from having to be offended by other people getting gay married?

2. Freedom to pressure other people to conform to your religious views?

3. Freedom to torture or imprison people indefinitely without trial
 
2012-12-17 11:20:37 AM  

hubiestubert: Serious Black: hubiestubert: You know, it would be great if we had actual Civics education, and the Federalist Papers as required reading for the voting public.

I love the people who talk about how they are trying to restore the dream of the Federalist Papers and are basically advocating we turn America back into a confederacy. It's like they have no idea why the Federalist Papers were written in the first place or why we adopted the Constitution.

Not so much a dream of the Articles of the Confederation, but an understanding of what the Founders actually were thinking when folks invoke them. Madison, Jefferson, Morris, and the others who sat in the Constitutional Convention. The Articles of Confederation simply did not work--which is why folks sat down in 1787 for the Constitutional Convention. The Federalist Papers were published in order to get arguments for ratification into the public's hands. The Federalist Papers lay out the arguments for this new Constitution and powers, which were then fairly quickly amended with the Bill of Rights, which folks couldn't agree on fully for a bit. Even the Framers agreed that their document wasn't perfect, but it was the best that they could do at the time, and left room and provisions to keep the Constitution as a living document. It was certainly a group effort, one that was hotly debated at the time, and we have a House and Senate today because of that give and take, since many wanted lifelong appointees, a Congressionally appointed President for life, and a few other things that just didn't work for all the members of that Convention.

They were a storied lot, those who signed the Constitution; businessmen, patriots, a couple of outright crooks, a moon eyed astronomer who believed in five million worlds populated by intelligent beings, printers, lawyers, shipping magnates, men of lands and property, commoners who had done alright, the stay at homes, patriots, and even a few who had collected the taxes that folks had gott ...


Honestly, I'd say the biggest thing we can learn from them is that they weren't perfect and were simply doing the best they could with a very limited amount of experience in drafting constitutions. Now that the world has a lot more experience in drafting constitutions, we can do a better job. There's a reason Ginsburg suggests people look at what South Africa and Canada have done with their constitutions. In many respects, they are simply better.
 
2012-12-17 11:23:38 AM  
Oh, the TEA party is fighting for freedom now? Last I checked, they were still fighting against my right to get mmj even though my neurologist and I agree it helps my MS. Last I checked, they were still fighting against my right to get married, even though my church is ok with it. They aren't pro-freedom, they want control over everyone else, they just don't want to have that reciprocated.
 
2012-12-17 11:25:00 AM  
The right-wing mind is so predictable. Argue the probability of an event, that has already happened, in order to prove your point.
 
2012-12-17 11:27:33 AM  
Just like what they would to Jesus, the Tea party would be the first ones in line to vilify, hate and punish the Founding Fathers if they ever came back.
 
2012-12-17 11:31:55 AM  

Serious Black: Honestly, I'd say the biggest thing we can learn from them is that they weren't perfect and were simply doing the best they could with a very limited amount of experience in drafting constitutions. Now that the world has a lot more experience in drafting constitutions, we can do a better job. There's a reason Ginsburg suggests people look at what South Africa and Canada have done with their constitutions. In many respects, they are simply better.


They did the best that they could with the time that they had. And they were the first ones to admit that.
 
2012-12-17 11:33:47 AM  

Zasteva: Which freedom would that be?


I wondered about that, too. I'm pretty sure it involves rape.
 
2012-12-17 11:36:36 AM  
The Tea Party must hang together, else we will need to hang them separately.

// gonna need a bigger gallows
 
2012-12-17 11:40:40 AM  

CPennypacker: Its sad and scary how much sway stupid and angry has in this country.


But not surprising. Unfortunately.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-12-17 11:41:25 AM  
Again... the Tea Party has named themselves partially after the Boston Tea Party which was probably the largest anti-corporate action ever taken in the US. Yes, Virginia, it was just as much against the East India Company as it was against King George.

Not the tea party members are smart enough to understand that. They seem happy to send some of the biggest corporate ass kissers to congress in their name.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-12-17 11:42:00 AM  

Dr Dreidel: The Tea Party must hang together, else we will need to hang them separately.

// gonna need a bigger gallows


Hanging them together would be physically responsible!
 
2012-12-17 11:48:18 AM  
hasn't the Teahadist Revolution gone on about as long as the American Revolution? So... without much support or victory shouldn't they be calling it quits by now?

/I'm just asking questions here
 
2012-12-17 11:49:11 AM  
The new tea party: now with extra Jesus.
 
2012-12-17 11:49:37 AM  
QUICK!

RESTORE SOMETHING THAT WAS NEVER LOST!



d23: ...Yes, Virginia, it was just as much against the East India Company as it was against King George. ... They seem happy to send some of the biggest corporate ass kissers to congress in their name.

Also this...

AND aren't we enjoying the LOWEST FEDERAL INCOME TAX RATE in recorded history right farking now????????????????
 
2012-12-17 12:05:30 PM  

hubiestubert: It is sort of interesting that folks who use the TEA Party imagery seem to be looking defend corporate profits.


I would elevate 'seem' to glaring. Energizing these slow thinkers through patriotism and appeals to manly ruggedness into rabidly screwing themselves over to benefit the top 1% has to stand with history's greatest societal mindfarks. You can almost smell the money fueling it.
 
2012-12-17 12:08:30 PM  

partisan222: hasn't the Teahadist Revolution gone on about as long as the American Revolution? So... without much support or victory shouldn't they be calling it quits by now?

/I'm just asking questions here


I don't know, the French may come in on their side any day now.
 
2012-12-17 12:09:31 PM  

Cinaed: taoistlumberjak: Holocaust Agnostic: taoistlumberjak: Holocaust Agnostic: Solon Isonomia: Holocaust Agnostic: Cinaed: If the founders of this nation had not had the FRENCH, the American Experiment would have never taken place.

Teabaggers can do as their original chosen name implies.

Meh. Coulda won without the French.

I think Cornwallis just at end of Yorktown would have disagreed with you.

I'm sure he would, but he would be wrong. Demographics is demographics. And holding down distant colonies when the natives are a bunch of angry uneducated yokels spread over a vast difficult wilderness is an unappealing prospect. Especially in the face of domestic unpopularity.

Just a quick couple questions; Do you know anything about history? Have you ever read about the Revolutionary War?
Bonus question; are you familiar with the theory and execution of a "naval blockade?"

Yes yes and yes.

I re-read your comment, and realized I see where you're coming from. I completely disagree, as the French (and Spanish, to a very small extent) gave the British something to worry about in their own backyard, not to mention in the colonies. They did pretty much just say "farkit" and walk away, but we had a good amount of help towards getting them there.

We had a pittance of a Navy, a mediocre Army, and almost no money worth speaking of.

Without the French, we had no chance of winning the war. Would it have gone on for quite a while? Sure. Would we ultimately win? No.

Think of how the Civil War turned out. Now imagine that the Brits as the Union, and the Americans as the Confederates. Perhaps not as bloody, but the end result would be the same.


I think the colonies were going to win that war eventually. It could have taken twice as long, but eventually the British were going to get sick of chasing armies that tended to melt away after a minor defeat. The diehards were not going anywhere, and the continued conflict was becoming prohibitively unpopular in Britain. If I remember correctly, there was even a turnover in government where the opposition to the war gained an advantage over those loyal to the king. The Americans were too hardy a bunch to just roll over, and the British had more important things to deal with. Even if not immediate, the rise of Napoleon would have made the Empire think long and hard about their priorities, and the Revolutionary war would have been well finished by Trafalgar.

Now on the other hand, the War of 1812 could have ended very poorly for the United States. If nothing had gone according to plan, we would have lost the Northwest Territories (and the resulting control over the Great Lakes), as well as the even more terrifying possibility of losing all of the Louisiana purchase. Given that outcome, we would have been fighting the Brits well into the late 19th century.
 
2012-12-17 12:16:28 PM  

taoistlumberjak: Cinaed: taoistlumberjak: Holocaust Agnostic: taoistlumberjak: Holocaust Agnostic: Solon Isonomia: Holocaust Agnostic: Cinaed: If the founders of this nation had not had the FRENCH, the American Experiment would have never taken place.

Teabaggers can do as their original chosen name implies.

Meh. Coulda won without the French.

I think Cornwallis just at end of Yorktown would have disagreed with you.

I'm sure he would, but he would be wrong. Demographics is demographics. And holding down distant colonies when the natives are a bunch of angry uneducated yokels spread over a vast difficult wilderness is an unappealing prospect. Especially in the face of domestic unpopularity.

Just a quick couple questions; Do you know anything about history? Have you ever read about the Revolutionary War?
Bonus question; are you familiar with the theory and execution of a "naval blockade?"

Yes yes and yes.

I re-read your comment, and realized I see where you're coming from. I completely disagree, as the French (and Spanish, to a very small extent) gave the British something to worry about in their own backyard, not to mention in the colonies. They did pretty much just say "farkit" and walk away, but we had a good amount of help towards getting them there.

We had a pittance of a Navy, a mediocre Army, and almost no money worth speaking of.

Without the French, we had no chance of winning the war. Would it have gone on for quite a while? Sure. Would we ultimately win? No.

Think of how the Civil War turned out. Now imagine that the Brits as the Union, and the Americans as the Confederates. Perhaps not as bloody, but the end result would be the same.

I think the colonies were going to win that war eventually. It could have taken twice as long, but eventually the British were going to get sick of chasing armies that tended to melt away after a minor defeat. The diehards were not going anywhere, and the continued conflict was becoming prohibitively unpopular in Britain. ...


Without French logistic support the Colonist would have run out of arms and ammunition.

Without the French intervention a negotiated settlement featuring some sort of American autonomy withing the empire is the most likely outcome.
 
2012-12-17 12:25:51 PM  
I just realized my flank was turned and I ended up arguing against what I believe. I think we were going to win our independence from Britain, but without the French it wasn't happening before we'd experienced another half-dozen retreats to the Delaware and Valley Forge-esque experiences. Saying the French did nothing to help is completely inaccurate. They helped us considerably in winning our independence from Britain.

I think a good analog would be us supporting the Libyan rebels. The writing was on the wall for Gadaffi, but that was going to be a protracted, ugly, drawn out bloodletting of an entire nation without the outside help the rebels received.
 
2012-12-17 12:27:01 PM  

mksmith: CPennypacker: Its sad and scary how much sway stupid and angry has in this country.

But not surprising. Unfortunately.


And if anybody knows how to manipulate stupid and angry it's the Republican Party. They are experts at stupid and angry.
 
2012-12-17 12:30:44 PM  

Zasteva: Which freedom would that be?

1. Freedom from having to be offended by other people getting gay married?

2. Freedom to pressure other people to conform to your religious views?

3. Freedom to torture or imprison people indefinitely without trial


4. Freedom to force everyone to be JUST LIKE YOU?

/Let's face it...
 
2012-12-17 12:36:44 PM  

PsiChick: Zasteva: Which freedom would that be?

1. Freedom from having to be offended by other people getting gay married?

2. Freedom to pressure other people to conform to your religious views?

3. Freedom to torture or imprison people indefinitely without trial

4. Freedom to force everyone to be JUST LIKE YOU?

/Let's face it...


5. All of the Above :-)
 
2012-12-17 12:45:06 PM  

Serious Black: If they were actually supportive of freedom for everyone and not just freedom for white, rich, non-Hispanic, pro-forced birth, pro-heterosexual, Evangelical Christians, I would be 100% on board with the Tea Party.


Then I recommend you go back and look at who wrote the article.
 
2012-12-17 12:46:10 PM  

Parthenogenetic: a white and delightsome slice of bread?


+1 just for using that word
 
2012-12-17 12:58:44 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: Solon Isonomia: Holocaust Agnostic: Cinaed: If the founders of this nation had not had the FRENCH, the American Experiment would have never taken place.

Teabaggers can do as their original chosen name implies.

Meh. Coulda won without the French.

I think Cornwallis just at end of Yorktown would have disagreed with you.

I'm sure he would, but he would be wrong. Demographics is demographics.


I have no idea what you mean by that.

And holding down distant colonies when the natives are a bunch of angry uneducated yokels spread over a vast difficult wilderness is an unappealing prospect. Especially in the face of domestic unpopularity.

Really?

The British were only unpopular insofar as they were trying to get the colonists to pay for the costs of the French-Indian war. Circa 1774 almost nobody wanted independence from Britain. They were petitioning the King to do something about Parliament levying these taxes, while they had no representatives. The King could have negotiated a deal to keep the colonies, he was just too stupid/arrogant, and underestimated the willingness of the French to fark him over.
 
2012-12-17 01:00:00 PM  
I wonder how submittard felt when he saw the Boobies in this thread?

BRILLIANT!
 
2012-12-17 01:08:17 PM  

randomjsa: Vodka Zombie: Oh... Bless your little hearts, Teabaggers. You guys are just adorable when you think you're smart enough to accomplish something more mentally taxing than scribbling your illiteracy on a poster board.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_elections,_2010
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2010/results/state/

Minority Leader Pelosi and Majority Leader Cantor, along with Speaker Beohner all beg to differ.


Senate Majority Leader Reid certainly thinks the Tea Party has accomplished two things: brought his career back from the dead (thanks, Sharron Obtuse Angle!) and blown at least five easy Republican pickups, keeping the Senate in Dem hands.

Now please, tell me at least five House seats that almost certainly would have gone Dem if not for the tea partiers. Go on, just a fifth of the Republican margin in the House, just that small of a piece.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-12-17 01:17:07 PM  

MisterRonbo: The British were only unpopular insofar as they were trying to get the colonists to pay for the costs of the French-Indian war. Circa 1774 almost nobody wanted independence from Britain. They were petitioning the King to do something about Parliament levying these taxes, while they had no representatives. The King could have negotiated a deal to keep the colonies, he was just too stupid/arrogant, and underestimated the willingness of the French to fark him over.


Partially true.. but what is being forgotten here, once again, is that all these taxes and fees, etc., were all administered through the East India Company. The colonists hated them as much as the royalty because the king was pretty much ruling to colonies through them.

The founding fathers would be appalled to see any institution, let alone a business or corporation, have so much influence on governmental policy.
 
2012-12-17 01:20:42 PM  

mentula: Parthenogenetic: a white and delightsome slice of bread?

+1 just for using that word


Thanks, but in the interest of full disclosure, the phrase "white and delightsome" is from the Book of Mormon, referring to the transformation of the sinful Injuns into righteous white people should they repent of their evil ways.
 
2012-12-17 02:00:17 PM  
Know who else didn't cave?

cdn-images.hollywood.com

/Never forget!
 
2012-12-17 02:18:45 PM  

Curious: OTOH yours have FEMA shields (photoshopped) on the which is a nice touch.


OOh, I missed that. Yea, nice touch.
 
2012-12-17 02:21:45 PM  

d23:
Partially true.. but what is being forgotten here, once again, is that all these taxes and fees, etc., were all administered through the East India Company. The colonists hated them as much as the royalty because the king was pretty much ruling to colonies through them.


None of the Intolerable Acts were administered via the East India company. That was what really pushed this from a tax issue to a "fark the motherland" issue. The Tea Act (and a bunch of other taxes) were repealed in 1778, as a peace offering, but .by then there were a whole bunch of other grievances.

And the colonists didn't hate "the royalty". Their problem was with Parliament, and that's why they were addressing the King for a regress of grievances. While the East India company may have run customs houses and largely run the Stamp Act, it was Parliament that was (correctly) seen as the source of these measures.
 
2012-12-17 03:06:41 PM  
img196.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-17 04:59:32 PM  
If you see your ideology as literally being in a war with your countrymen, there might be something wrong with your ideology.

DNRTFA.
 
2012-12-17 05:54:12 PM  
Subby's joking, right? Please tell me subby's joking.
 
2012-12-17 07:32:51 PM  
hang tough
images.uulyrics.com
 
2012-12-17 11:16:41 PM  

Xcott: First they have to articulate exactly what freedom they think is missing, and needs to be restored.

This could be a huge time-saver if they realize that they're trying to save some vague sense of liberty from an imaginary threat, like UN troops amassing in Mexico to put conservatives in boxcars. In that case, they can simply declare victory and go home happy.


Right, that's what you said when they complained about the tax increases that were going to be imposed but hadn't been - yet. So you dwerped and tweebed about how kooky and silly they were for complaining about taxes. Which will be going up to pay for this shiat, as it turns out. Obama's raising taxes on the rich first so he can claim he's doing it as fairly as possible.

Instead of them being kooks, you guys are just fools. You'll always have someone to blame for the mess, instead of trying to understand the problem and solve it, which requires basic math, but math nonetheless.
 
2012-12-18 02:41:01 AM  
I'd like to give them some due consideration for noticing that the USA is being dismantled into a world world sh*thole, but a): you'd have to me measurably mentally challenged not to and b): the people doing the dismantling are the people they're cheering for.
 
2012-12-18 05:00:46 AM  

coeyagi: Minority Leader Pelosi and Majority Leader Cantor, along with Speaker Beohner all beg to differ.

Jesus, I'm sorry Fark. I unleashed the kraken.


I wouldn't worry about it. He's jumped in and done his one-post Threadshiat. You won't see him again for a while. ;p
 
2012-12-18 10:21:03 AM  

Animatronik: Xcott: First they have to articulate exactly what freedom they think is missing, and needs to be restored.

This could be a huge time-saver if they realize that they're trying to save some vague sense of liberty from an imaginary threat, like UN troops amassing in Mexico to put conservatives in boxcars. In that case, they can simply declare victory and go home happy.

Right, that's what you said when they complained about the tax increases that were going to be imposed but hadn't been - yet. So you dwerped and tweebed about how kooky and silly they were for complaining about taxes.


Do you mean me, Xcott, or me, the Internet?

Which will be going up to pay for this shiat, as it turns out.

I wouldn't be surprised, seeing as how taxes are at a record low. It's not like they can go down any further.

I think it would be good for society if we had a tax hike, because we seem to be infected with a bunch of whiny pansies who complain loudly about having to pay far less than previous generations---record low taxes have stretched them to the breaking point. We are no longer the America that put a man on the moon; now, we are the America that whines on the Internet about the bare minimum obligations of citizenship.

We need to tax our generation as much as previous generations, and anyone who can't psychologically cope with this responsibility can have a stroke and let the rest of us move on.
 
2012-12-18 03:12:53 PM  
The thing that annoys me so much about the Tea Party (probable initial good intentions, taken over by corporate and wealthy overlords, fed racism and I tolerance diet by right wing blockade, and now stirring up the same evil brew in my home Australia), the thing that makes my teeth itch - tea is a wholesome and delightful drink. A tea party is a civilized occasion. A tea ceremony is a reflective and ritualized occurrence. This is more like a party that can't organize a p*ss up in a brewery!! The worst sort of party, no booze, Christian rock, awkward and earnest types. No junk food.
 
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