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2012-12-17 12:53:48 AM
19 votes:
If ever a collection of people embodied the term "chaotic neutral", its Anonymous.
2012-12-17 03:46:48 AM
15 votes:
In a sane world the only time the media would cover Westboro Baptist is when the story breaks that "WBC founder Fred Phelps was killed today when the syphilitic horse he was blowing ejaculated prematurely due to Phelps' prodigious equine fellatio skills and Phelps drowned under a virtual tidal wave of tainted stallion jizz. His corpse was disposed of by shoving a femur up his anus and allowing wild dogs to drag him off."
2012-12-17 03:02:19 AM
13 votes:

cman: I am not defending WBC or their message at all; all I am saying is that this kind of shiat leaves a feeling of sour in my mouth.



Eff that. Part of free speech is owning up to what you're saying. Don't picket soldier's funerals if you can't handle the blow-back. Now that they have these @ssholes' names and addresses, the people of Topeka should canvas their neighborhoods with posters and flyers displaying their names and a list of the evil shiat that they do. For the ones where we know who employs them, hit their businesses too. These d!ckwads abuse the 1st Amendment and our justice system -- it's time for them to feel some heat.
2012-12-17 06:48:24 AM
8 votes:
When Fred Phelps dies, I predict his gravesite will become the most used public urinal in Kansas.
2012-12-17 06:43:12 AM
8 votes:
We need to get God back in these churches...
2012-12-17 03:11:17 AM
8 votes:

cman: That would be like an anti-abortion group posting personal identification for abortion doctors.



That's an apples and oranges comparison. Abortion is controversial, but it is a medical procedure. There is no service provided by people who picket the funerals of dead kids and victimize their surviving family members. You say I would be just as bad as them, and yet you're defending them. Turnabout is fair play. To date, they show up, shiat all over people's lives, and then go home to a quiet little life where nobody knows what evil shiatheads they are. It's about time they felt a little more uncomfortable.
2012-12-17 03:06:05 AM
7 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: cman: I am not defending WBC or their message at all; all I am saying is that this kind of shiat leaves a feeling of sour in my mouth.


Eff that. Part of free speech is owning up to what you're saying. Don't picket soldier's funerals if you can't handle the blow-back. Now that they have these @ssholes' names and addresses, the people of Topeka should canvas their neighborhoods with posters and flyers displaying their names and a list of the evil shiat that they do. For the ones where we know who employs them, hit their businesses too. These d!ckwads abuse the 1st Amendment and our justice system -- it's time for them to feel some heat.


Abuse the first amendment?

Jesus Christ, man, you scare me.

They arent abusing the first amendment. They are using it.

Yes, their message is terrible, and yes, they are complete and utter assholes. But when they are at their homes, that is a bit far. That would be like an anti-abortion group posting personal identification for abortion doctors. Those abortion doctors are conducting a constitutionally protected procedure. By doing shiat like this you are acting like them. You are giving out personal information so others can bully them to stop.
2012-12-17 02:57:33 AM
7 votes:
Doesnt it strike anyone as kinda ironic that a group of people who dont want to be identified give out personal identification of others?

Also, while WBC are a bunch of assholes, this still is kind of a dickish move. WBC spreads a message of hate and intolerance, that much isnt up for debate. However, the aspect of publishing private information for others to bully them because you hate the message is a bit unnerving.

I am not defending WBC or their message at all; all I am saying is that this kind of shiat leaves a feeling of sour in my mouth.
2012-12-17 07:19:39 AM
6 votes:

bighairyguy: Here's how to identify a church run by crazy people. They are overly obsessed with one or more of the following:

Homosexuality
Polygamy
12 year old girls
Guns
End times
Punishing children

Feel free to add to this list.


Being an organised religion
2012-12-17 02:01:27 AM
6 votes:

fusillade762: Interesting that four of them work in corrections and one in law enforcement.


Perfect occupation to hone bullying skills.
2012-12-17 07:31:33 AM
5 votes:
And, of course, most people miss the elephant, no, the sperm whale in the living room. It's pretty obvious what ultimately motivates Phred. Consider this...

1. Phred often dresses in an exercise suit and cowboy hat as if he's auditioning for the role of Cult Leader for the Village People.

2. The signs that WBC use are done in fabulously bright day-glo colors and stick figures engaging in butt love appear on many signs.

3. The simple and farking obvious fact that you have a guy who spends a huge percentage of his waking time obsessing over gay people and has done so for decades.

Come on, people, it's as if Phred has a 50-foot high neon sign bolted to the top of his cowboy hat flashing "LATENT HOMO" constantly. I am very tolerant of out-of-the-closet gays; it's the repressed ones who turn into assholes who bother me. His children mean nothing; when the local cops bust gay cruising areas, most of the guys are married with children and sometimes grandchildren. Hell, the main reason he's abusive towards them is probably the result of him fathering kids solely to 'prove' to himself and others that he's not really gay.

I have this mental image of Phred's dad, a mean-spirited bastard himself who worked as a railroad 'bull' beating the shiat out of hobos. Perhaps back in Mississippi, Phred's dad caught Phred behind the barn getting all sodomy with another boy and, in classic Phelps fashion, beat his kid nearly to death with a mattock handle. That sure would explain a lot of things...
2012-12-17 07:08:06 AM
5 votes:

phrawgh: We need to get God back in these churches...


We need to tax the WBC.

We need to tax ALL churches.
2012-12-17 05:03:46 AM
5 votes:
How do these people not get killed? Seriously, you "picket" funerals of children? That is a special brand of awful.
2012-12-17 04:07:09 AM
5 votes:

doglover: fusillade762: I've thought for a while now that the WBC people are just a performance art troop highlighting the hatred and hypocrisy of extremist religious types.

That's the most charitable explanation I can come up with.

They make money off lawsuits when people slash their tires and assault them. They incite hate to get pait, as it were.


Everybody claims that, but I've yet to see any evidence that they're actually making any sort of significant bank out of lawsuits.

Honestly, I think they're doing their shenanigans because they really, truly do believe they're providing a prophetic voice calling the country to repentance. When I watched the Louis Thoreau documentaries, what I came away with was that the WBC crowd isn't all that different than a lot of the people I grew up with who are complete asses to people because they truly believe that they're being loving and confronting people in their sin. If you haven't grown up with people like that, it's hard to believe that the Phelps clan could be sincere, but I've been around enough people whose only difference from the Phelpses is that they're not so abrasive to believe that the Phelpses are true believers. And the thing with people like that is that the more push back they get, and the more hatred they have directed at them, the more convinced they are that they're right. In their minds, they're not getting all of that flack because they're wrong, they're getting it because it's proof that they're right. They take the scripture passage where Jesus said that if the world hated him, it will hate his followers more, and the more they're hated the more convinced they are that they're being like Jesus.
2012-12-17 03:31:50 AM
5 votes:
I've thought for a while now that the WBC people are just a performance art troop highlighting the hatred and hypocrisy of extremist religious types.

That's the most charitable explanation I can come up with.
2012-12-17 03:19:01 AM
5 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: cman: That would be like an anti-abortion group posting personal identification for abortion doctors.


That's an apples and oranges comparison. Abortion is controversial, but it is a medical procedure. There is no service provided by people who picket the funerals of dead kids and victimize their surviving family members. You say I would be just as bad as them, and yet you're defending them. Turnabout is fair play. To date, they show up, shiat all over people's lives, and then go home to a quiet little life where nobody knows what evil shiatheads they are. It's about time they felt a little more uncomfortable.


Maybe you are right. Maybe I am wrong. These guys are indeed assholes. It is difficult for us to have a proper discussion about the WBC where emotions are not so much overtaking.

I am looking at this from a consistency POV rather than an on-case basis. I know the world is not so much black and white, but I really dont like judging others more harshly.

To sum up this ramble, I really dont know.
2012-12-17 07:17:32 AM
4 votes:
Here's how to identify a church run by crazy people. They are overly obsessed with one or more of the following:

Homosexuality
Polygamy
12 year old girls
Guns
End times
Punishing children

Feel free to add to this list.
2012-12-17 06:55:45 AM
4 votes:

Dog Welder: MJMaloney187: Good. I think of Anonymous as one of The Watchmen. The floodgates of fury should have been opened up on Westboro a long time ago.

I think Anonymous started awhile ago and then they backed off (didn't go all the way) but that might have been a warning salvo. Threatening to picket the funerals of children is the new low and has apparently thrown Anonymous into action.

I don't approve of the tactics Anonymous uses, but it's hard to be against them in this case. The WBC are their own special brand of assholes.


I agree completely. Anonymous can be a bunch of douches, but in this case, I will be their number one fan.
2012-12-17 05:14:15 AM
4 votes:

pissedoffmick: How do these people not get killed?


Will you give them death, Frodo Baggins?


That's basically what it boils down to. They're broken, pathetic creatures. Their alignment might be evil, but all you can really feel is pity.
2012-12-17 08:14:08 AM
3 votes:
Why hasn't anyone picketed the graves of WBC's ancestors? I'm sure we could figure out who they are since Anonymous has made information public. Give WBC a taste of their own medicine. Show up at their loved ones graves and picket. Assuming no one gets violent, I can't see why the standard for free speech protection should be different for people picketing at WBC's family members than it is for WBC to picket at other people's graves.
2012-12-17 08:02:21 AM
3 votes:

Psycat: bighairyguy: Here's how to identify a church run by crazy people. They are overly obsessed with one or more of the following:

Homosexuality
Polygamy
12 year old girls
Guns
End times
Punishing children

Feel free to add to this list.

Proselytizing
Obsessing over others' sex lives
Fighting the demon weed
Obama is the Antichrist
Sovereign American tax-protester bullshiat
How everybody else will burn in Hell

/just warming up


The one everyone keeps forgetting - Making money with frivolous lawsuits.

THIS is the strictly the business model of the WBC. The nonsense about what "god" hates is just a smokescreen. Don't fall for it.

I would not be surprised if the "leaders" of this "cult of lawyers" don't really believe their nonsense about divine retribution but are essentially laughing all the way to the bank at the money that they make from their feather-headed followers and suing who they consider to be suckers that take the bait and respond with injunctions and physical violence.

It's also extremely hard for the average emotion-filled news provider to stop giving WBC a platform by playing into their hand about them standing up for their "beliefs" about god, rather than just saying right up front it is a evil business model based on taking advantage of "free speech rights" and just calling a spade a spade.

Other countries bypass this tendency by just labeling the WBC's responses as "hate speech" and outright banning them - this is how for instance the UK and Canada keep these vultures out - obviously not the ideal way to deal with it but given the gullibility and irresponsibility of news providers what else can you do?
2012-12-17 07:59:36 AM
3 votes:

Cold_Sassy: Yes, unfortunately. I think school administrators should be taught firearms training because it appears that that is the only way to stop the carnage before it is too late.


This morning's story problem:

If you arm every administrator, or even further - each teacher as I've commonly heard as a suggestion, across Murrica, how many 1 to 3 death incidents/accidents are going to occur each year from those guns versus the 15 to 30 fatality mega rampages like Sandy Hook, Columbine, etc., that occur every five or ten years that might be averted if every adult in the building is armed? There are close to 100,000 schools, and should we count schools outside of the K-12 range too, such as preschools and universities?

It seems plausible to me that it would cause a lot more deaths overall than the rampages they might, in theory, protect... just in smaller, not-as-newsworthy batches. If just 2 in 1 million armed adults snaps impulsively and takes out two students each year, and there are over 7 million teachers, then there is about the same number of deaths each year as a Sandy Hook level rampage instead of every 5 years.

Don't get me wrong; I'm interested in solutions to our problem here too...
2012-12-17 07:47:50 AM
3 votes:
Addendum:

Free speech is one thing, but imposing your free speech on others is quite another. The latter is self-evidently unsustainable.
2012-12-17 07:22:32 AM
3 votes:

bighairyguy: Here's how to identify a church run by crazy people. They are overly obsessed with one or more of the following:

Homosexuality
Polygamy
12 year old girls
Guns
End times
Punishing children

Feel free to add to this list.


Proselytizing
Obsessing over others' sex lives
Fighting the demon weed
Obama is the Antichrist
Sovereign American tax-protester bullshiat
How everybody else will burn in Hell

/just warming up
2012-12-17 06:59:09 AM
3 votes:

SockMonkeyHolocaust: RAR RAR RAR POSTING ON THE INTERNET SO ANGRY RAARR IMMA DINOSAUR


I laughed at you.

At. Not with.
2012-12-17 06:53:56 AM
3 votes:
http://blank.org/addict/


Thats the link for 'Addicted to Hate' which is a quite detailed story about Fred and his family. Its one sad read.

But Im posting it for anyone who is curious and hasnt read it. But one warning: its brutal and not pleasant in any way.
2012-12-17 06:45:32 AM
3 votes:
Good. I think of Anonymous as one of The Watchmen. The floodgates of fury should have been opened up on Westboro a long time ago.
2012-12-17 06:45:16 AM
3 votes:

fusillade762: I've thought for a while now that the WBC people are just a performance art troop highlighting the hatred and hypocrisy of extremist religious types. That's the most charitable explanation I can come up with.


Nah, they're a giant ambulance chaser-type scam. They pull shiat stupid shiat in the hopes of getting their faces punched, then one of the fifty lawyers in the family sues the inevitable face-puncher for fat sacks o' cash. Everything else is secondary to them.

Their only "God" is the Almighty Dollar.
2012-12-17 04:10:29 AM
3 votes:
Fred will be going to the Special Hell
2012-12-17 03:56:17 AM
3 votes:

cman: Doesnt it strike anyone as kinda ironic that a group of people who dont want to be identified give out personal identification of others?

Also, while WBC are a bunch of assholes, this still is kind of a dickish move. WBC spreads a message of hate and intolerance, that much isnt up for debate. However, the aspect of publishing private information for others to bully them because you hate the message is a bit unnerving.

I am not defending WBC or their message at all; all I am saying is that this kind of shiat leaves a feeling of sour in my mouth.


Their first amendment rights are theirs to use. And hacking into computers and releasing personal info is a crime. I wish the WBC would STFU, or just die, and I hope the cops catch up to those anonymous fellas.

But you and I, we're allowed to enjoy smirking at the whole thing.
2012-12-17 03:36:35 AM
3 votes:

fusillade762: I've thought for a while now that the WBC people are just a performance art troop highlighting the hatred and hypocrisy of extremist religious types.

That's the most charitable explanation I can come up with.


They make money off lawsuits when people slash their tires and assault them. They incite hate to get pait, as it were.
2012-12-17 02:48:13 AM
3 votes:
Kind of surprised the people of Topeka haven't run these scumbags out of town on a rail. Makes the city look bad for keeping them around.
2012-12-17 02:51:04 PM
2 votes:

elffster: http://blank.org/addict/


Thats the link for 'Addicted to Hate' which is a quite detailed story about Fred and his family. Its one sad read.

But Im posting it for anyone who is curious and hasnt read it. But one warning: its brutal and not pleasant in any way.


Wow. I read every word. I grew up in Kansas-- the WBC even protested my high school graduation. I thought I knew their story pretty well. But that essay legitimately changed my thoughts on them somewhat.

It's a long read, but if every American knew that whole story, the WBC would evaporate tomorrow. For the TL;DR crowd, basically it details how the entire family has been tortured and brainwashed by Fred Sr., since the 1970s. He's legitimately is the biggest piece of shiat on Earth.

If Anonymous really wants to go after these guys, they need to read this for the devastating details.

It's also pretty hard to justify going after anyone else in the family besides Fred Sr. Although, at this point, the whole family is so far gone, they'll keep pulling this crap long after he's dead.
2012-12-17 11:33:50 AM
2 votes:
#1. They are a family of lawyers, they picket funerals to fish for lawsuits. That is how they make their money. I think most people here know this.

#2. They are also cowards. They always announce they will picket funerals of high ranking people or mass murders, but they won't actually show up when they happen. They weren't at several high profile funerals over the last few years that they said they would be at, most likely because someone would very likely bring a gun and kill one or all of their members present.

#3. Even when they don't show up, they still win. They get the media attention they crave by trolling high profile funerals, which makes more lawsuit bait for the soft targets they go after.

There is no way in hell they will show up for these funerals. If people would just ignore them and/or the media would just stop giving them the attention they try so hard to get, they would fade into the obscurity they deserve.

Of course, if someone actually went after them, I wouldn't shed a single tear.
2012-12-17 08:24:08 AM
2 votes:
I don't know if any of you caught this, but a trooper was assigned to each family to protect them from idiots. That's kind of awesome.
2012-12-17 08:15:30 AM
2 votes:

beefoe: Whatever happened to "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"?


I suspect someone looked at that perfectly reasonable and respectable stance and decided to themselves that they'd find a way to take advantage of it as outrageously as possible.

farm8.staticflickr.com
2012-12-17 08:07:17 AM
2 votes:

dittybopper: HindiDiscoMonster: dittybopper: shower_in_my_socks: Eff that. Part of free speech is owning up to what you're saying.

I'm sure that Publius and the Federal Farmer would disagree with you.

Part of free speech is the ability to say things that may be unpopular. If you have a mechanism to suppress dissent or to prevent unpopular views from being aired, essentially you have the same thing that totalitarian governments have, whether it is actually wielded by the government or not. In fact, the most effective form of censorship is self-censorship.

The ability to express your views anonymously is as American as apple pie, and it always has been.

after careful consideration of both sides of this argument, I have some to the conclusion:

fark THEM. Their words are not spread for altruistic reasons... they picket so they can be seen which makes it a false message. If they spoke privately with people instead of making it a spectacle, then that would be different. They do NOT represent Christ in any way shape form fashion idea principle or any otherwise noted or unnoted notion... They do in fact represent Satan, and their "Pastor" knows it.

Ah, but there is the rub. *YOU* don't get to decide who is right and who is wrong, and who represents Christ and who doesn't.

All you've done is express your opinion of them. On the Internet. Anonymously. Ironic, no?

Think about this: What if *YOUR* opinion was in the small, reviled minority?


it's not my opinion... it's from the same book they supposedly follow:

Matthew 6:1 "Beware of practicing your righteousness before men to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven."
2012-12-17 08:00:16 AM
2 votes:
I can't post this in enough threads:

While it might seem that the vast majority of Christians fall in line with the mentality demonstrated by some of the more fringe groups, I would say rather adamantly that we do not. I have had, on a number of occasion, the chance to speak with peers, preach in my local church, and speak at our annual conference about the need to update our legal theology to match that of Christ's actual theology.

Tolerance is out there, we're just moving awfully slow. In the meantime, the best I can do is give my deepest heartfelt apology for the people hurt by 'Christians' and continue to work on changing the church from the inside. I am truly sorry for what has been done in the name of Christ.
2012-12-17 07:53:33 AM
2 votes:
img600.imageshack.us
2012-12-17 07:50:12 AM
2 votes:

dittybopper: shower_in_my_socks: Eff that. Part of free speech is owning up to what you're saying.

I'm sure that Publius and the Federal Farmer would disagree with you.

Part of free speech is the ability to say things that may be unpopular. If you have a mechanism to suppress dissent or to prevent unpopular views from being aired, essentially you have the same thing that totalitarian governments have, whether it is actually wielded by the government or not. In fact, the most effective form of censorship is self-censorship.

The ability to express your views anonymously is as American as apple pie, and it always has been.


after careful consideration of both sides of this argument, I have some to the conclusion:

fark THEM. Their words are not spread for altruistic reasons... they picket so they can be seen which makes it a false message. If they spoke privately with people instead of making it a spectacle, then that would be different. They do NOT represent Christ in any way shape form fashion idea principle or any otherwise noted or unnoted notion... They do in fact represent Satan, and their "Pastor" knows it.
2012-12-17 07:48:41 AM
2 votes:
They troll at the worst possible moments of peoples lives, to cause them maximum pain and suffering, as if those people weren't suffering enough. All for the lulz and hoping for a fat payoff. They are the worst of people. I don't care if they posted their info on huge billboards all across the world. You troll like this? Take advantage of people's suffering and anguish to get across your message of hate and derp? fark you, you get what you deserve. Don't start nothing, won't be nothing.
2012-12-17 07:48:03 AM
2 votes:
I used to be much more of an idealist than I am now, but I have many reasons to be cynical. I personally know somebody who avoided conviction for murdering a little girl simply because of a stupid technicality. There was another person in my old neighborhood who killed a pedestrian while driving drunk; he got a slap on the wrist, then went out and killed ANOTHER pedestrian--and got another farking slap on the wrist for that. And reading about some poor black guy in Texas who got 25 years for possession of two joints really upset me as well. I've seen way too many satanic bastards get away with too much because they know how to prank the system, and I've also seen many naive and innocent people get railroaded by corrupt officials. Working for the local court system made me very farking cynical.

Yes, I realize that protecting the freedom of speech of assholes from Topeka is important, yadda, yadda, yadda. I also realize there's a hell of a lot of frustration with the system out there. Why do you think a TV show like "Dexter" is popular? The Phelps clan are a bunch of farking lawyers who prank the hell out of the system, and at least one in his clan is with the Kansas correctional system. If some vigilante does do something violent against them, I'm not sure I could even come up with a single crocodile tear for the Phelpses. Maybe I'll go shiat on William Kunstler's grave instead...
2012-12-17 07:46:50 AM
2 votes:

Nabb1: What we really need to do, IMO, is have a serious discussion about the sad state of our mental health resources. Media circuses and political speeches after the fact won't do much to prevent more of these and may encourage them, but making sure young people have access to mental health resources may.


Yahoo just ran a story this morning, apparently this kid has a long history of problems but the mother tried to fix him herself. He had an assortment of problems and warning signs.

We need to stop the stigma of seeking help. As a soldier I've seen it happen in the military, we finally got over the stigma of someone seeking help after coming home from war. This MUST happen in all facets of our society. We need to stop ignoring someone who is in obvious pain. You're not "getting in their business", you're helping someone out.
2012-12-17 07:35:04 AM
2 votes:
I know two wrongs don't make a right and all...but the sick asshole in me wonders that if there's ever a mass shooting at WBC, how might they respond to having their funerals being picketed? Would they picket themselves? I would have to begrudgingly give them at least one point for consistency if they picketed their own congregation.

/vigorously shakes head
//back to sanity
2012-12-17 07:28:28 AM
2 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: Eff that. Part of free speech is owning up to what you're saying.


I'm sure that Publius and the Federal Farmer would disagree with you.

Part of free speech is the ability to say things that may be unpopular. If you have a mechanism to suppress dissent or to prevent unpopular views from being aired, essentially you have the same thing that totalitarian governments have, whether it is actually wielded by the government or not. In fact, the most effective form of censorship is self-censorship.

The ability to express your views anonymously is as American as apple pie, and it always has been.
2012-12-17 07:27:44 AM
2 votes:
I wish the media would just STFU about this. I am very sorry for the families losses, but they should be allowed to grieve in peace, instead of the mediat blowing it up into their usual circus, for the next mentally ill person as a goal to achieve or exceed.
2012-12-17 07:23:57 AM
2 votes:
The WBC. What trolls look like without the Internet.
2012-12-17 07:21:04 AM
2 votes:

keylock71: You want to ruin the day of these assholes? You ignore them and their bullshiat.


Un-anesthetized vivisection for every member of the church over the age of 18 broadcast live on you tube would be much more satisfying though.

/And you only have to do it once.
2012-12-17 07:15:37 AM
2 votes:

violentsalvation:
Their first amendment rights are theirs to use. And hacking into computers and releasing personal info is a crime. I wish the WBC would STFU, or just die, and I hope the cops catch up to those anonymous fellas.

But you and I, we're allowed to enjoy smirking at the whole thing.


Nobody got hacked bro. This is all public information somewhere. My wife hadnt talked to her father in over a decade, but needs his help to straighten out some messed up birth certificate paperwork. So I spent a grand total of 3 minutes tracking him down with google a few days ago. I was able to find his home address through tax records, all of his current family members, employment information, hell I even have an up to date picture of him running a marathon 2 weeks ago.

Your "private" information isnt private anymore.
2012-12-17 07:04:06 AM
2 votes:
Am I the only one who finds it ironic that the anonymous movement uses Guy Fawkes masks? The guy was a Catholic and tried to blow up parliament because it was Protestant...

/Or am I missing the analogy here?
2012-12-17 06:56:00 AM
2 votes:

Dog Welder: When Fred Phelps dies, I predict his gravesite will become the most used public urinal in Kansas.


Are you kidding? People will come from around the country and stand in line for hours to piss on his grave. It could become an extremely lucrative tourist attraction. You could even hire vendors to sell beer and asparagus to the folks waiting.
2012-12-17 06:53:51 AM
2 votes:
RAR RAR RAR POSTING ON THE INTERNET SO ANGRY RAARR IMMA DINOSAUR
2012-12-17 06:50:11 AM
2 votes:

MJMaloney187: Good. I think of Anonymous as one of The Watchmen. The floodgates of fury should have been opened up on Westboro a long time ago.


I think Anonymous started awhile ago and then they backed off (didn't go all the way) but that might have been a warning salvo. Threatening to picket the funerals of children is the new low and has apparently thrown Anonymous into action.

I don't approve of the tactics Anonymous uses, but it's hard to be against them in this case. The WBC are their own special brand of assholes.
2012-12-17 05:59:45 AM
2 votes:

fusillade762: rynthetyn: doglover: fusillade762: I've thought for a while now that the WBC people are just a performance art troop highlighting the hatred and hypocrisy of extremist religious types.

That's the most charitable explanation I can come up with.

They make money off lawsuits when people slash their tires and assault them. They incite hate to get pait, as it were.

Everybody claims that, but I've yet to see any evidence that they're actually making any sort of significant bank out of lawsuits.

Honestly, I think they're doing their shenanigans because they really, truly do believe they're providing a prophetic voice calling the country to repentance. When I watched the Louis Thoreau documentaries, what I came away with was that the WBC crowd isn't all that different than a lot of the people I grew up with who are complete asses to people because they truly believe that they're being loving and confronting people in their sin. If you haven't grown up with people like that, it's hard to believe that the Phelps clan could be sincere, but I've been around enough people whose only difference from the Phelpses is that they're not so abrasive to believe that the Phelpses are true believers. And the thing with people like that is that the more push back they get, and the more hatred they have directed at them, the more convinced they are that they're right. In their minds, they're not getting all of that flack because they're wrong, they're getting it because it's proof that they're right. They take the scripture passage where Jesus said that if the world hated him, it will hate his followers more, and the more they're hated the more convinced they are that they're being like Jesus.

The term "cognitive dissonance" has those folk's picture next to it in the dictionary.


I don't really think there's cognitive dissonance going on. For them it's pretty clear cut--if you believe someone is going to hell and eternal damnation, the most loving thing to do is to be a prophetic voice and tell them that. They believe they're living out the, "faithful are the wounds of a friend" verse from Proverbs
2012-12-17 03:58:25 AM
2 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: In a sane world the only time the media would cover Westboro Baptist is when the story breaks that "WBC founder Fred Phelps was killed today when the syphilitic horse he was blowing ejaculated prematurely due to Phelps' prodigious equine fellatio skills and Phelps drowned under a virtual tidal wave of tainted stallion jizz. His corpse was disposed of by shoving a femur up his anus and allowing wild dogs to drag him off."


1.bp.blogspot.com
2012-12-17 05:26:36 PM
1 votes:

elffster: http://blank.org/addict/


Thats the link for 'Addicted to Hate' which is a quite detailed story about Fred and his family. Its one sad read.

But Im posting it for anyone who is curious and hasnt read it. But one warning: its brutal and not pleasant in any way.


Wow. That is the most enlightening/depressing thing I've read in some time. It's extremely easy to hate people like Shirley who say stupid shiat but now the only one I blame is Fred- the rest in his church I just feel are too scared to be any other way.
2012-12-17 05:24:36 PM
1 votes:

HindiDiscoMonster: PunGent: HindiDiscoMonster: PunGent: HindiDiscoMonster: PunGent: When "experts" have obvious, grade-school holes in their logic, you don't have to go to them, even if you know nothing about their field.

For the record, I want my fellow citizens applying this standard to MY profession, the law.


please explain the flaws in logic you refer to.

"These religious texts have no errors, because they have a process for fixing the errors".

See the problem?

I understand what you are saying... but I have personally known people (yes, i know... anecdote) that copy the Torah word for word, painstakingly making sure that every single dot, stroke, etc is perfect and i remember in one particular instance, this person had copied a whole page almost to the end, made one little error (not that i would have considered it an error... just a little wavy), and he stopped, and destroyed the whole page (even though the first side was perfect). I questioned him at the time, and he told me that is normal... so, yes, there is a mechanism in place to deal with it... and that is why I tend to believe that there are no errors in the original Hebrew of the Torah rather than something that "makes sense" or is "common sense" or is "illogical"... sorry, experience is the greatest teacher.

You're proving MY point. There's NO human process that is error-free.

I suspect that's why we invented the idea of perfect gods in the first place.

I would say humans are not error free. I do believe it is possible (though not likely) that a human can copy something error free, though it may take several flawed attempts to do so.

P.S. sorry for taking so long to respond, but I was reading this. It is about Phelps.


I'd agree that a human can make one or more pretty-near-perfect copies of a text.

But the Jewish tradition is thousands of years old...and, just as importantly, has sub-sects. No way "errors" (mistranslations, doctrinal differences, etc) failed to creep in over that time span.

Sects, in my definition, means that they lost the power struggle with the "mainstream" of whatever faith is under discussion...I don't mean they're less...or more...valid than the main religion itself.

And all mainline faiths share one thing in common: they don't like to admit error.

Not that they don't MAKE errors, it's that they don't admit them.

Which, at the end of the day, is probably my primary beef with all organized religion.
2012-12-17 05:00:02 PM
1 votes:

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: elffster: http://blank.org/addict/


Thats the link for 'Addicted to Hate' which is a quite detailed story about Fred and his family. Its one sad read.

But Im posting it for anyone who is curious and hasnt read it. But one warning: its brutal and not pleasant in any way.

Wow. I read every word. I grew up in Kansas-- the WBC even protested my high school graduation. I thought I knew their story pretty well. But that essay legitimately changed my thoughts on them somewhat.

It's a long read, but if every American knew that whole story, the WBC would evaporate tomorrow. For the TL;DR crowd, basically it details how the entire family has been tortured and brainwashed by Fred Sr., since the 1970s. He's legitimately is the biggest piece of shiat on Earth.

If Anonymous really wants to go after these guys, they need to read this for the devastating details.

It's also pretty hard to justify going after anyone else in the family besides Fred Sr. Although, at this point, the whole family is so far gone, they'll keep pulling this crap long after he's dead.


As I mentioned up-thread, I made it only to Chapter 2. I couldn't read any more after the mattock handle beatings and the rest. I thought I could handle reading stuff like that. Guess I was wrong. "Brutal" is a misnomer. "Sickening" is more like it.
2012-12-17 04:50:19 PM
1 votes:
HindiDiscoMonster: No worries about taking so long to respond. I will read that when the kids are in bed tonight. I do not want to risk their eyes seeing it. My son is 10 and my daughter is 5.
2012-12-17 04:28:45 PM
1 votes:

RobSeace: HindiDiscoMonster: because WBC does not read their Bible... they cherry pick and don't think or reflect on it...

the pooper city reference for your edification

/hint: it was not about homosexuality

That web site is pretty damn cool...

[www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org image 303x140]
[www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org image 303x140]
[www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org image 303x140]
[www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org image 303x140]


Thank you... I learned a bit myself by visiting that site... very enlightening... I knew some of it, but all of those references.

P.S. sorry for taking so long to respond, but I was reading this. It is about Phelps.
2012-12-17 04:27:31 PM
1 votes:

PunGent: HindiDiscoMonster: PunGent: HindiDiscoMonster: PunGent: When "experts" have obvious, grade-school holes in their logic, you don't have to go to them, even if you know nothing about their field.

For the record, I want my fellow citizens applying this standard to MY profession, the law.


please explain the flaws in logic you refer to.

"These religious texts have no errors, because they have a process for fixing the errors".

See the problem?

I understand what you are saying... but I have personally known people (yes, i know... anecdote) that copy the Torah word for word, painstakingly making sure that every single dot, stroke, etc is perfect and i remember in one particular instance, this person had copied a whole page almost to the end, made one little error (not that i would have considered it an error... just a little wavy), and he stopped, and destroyed the whole page (even though the first side was perfect). I questioned him at the time, and he told me that is normal... so, yes, there is a mechanism in place to deal with it... and that is why I tend to believe that there are no errors in the original Hebrew of the Torah rather than something that "makes sense" or is "common sense" or is "illogical"... sorry, experience is the greatest teacher.

You're proving MY point. There's NO human process that is error-free.

I suspect that's why we invented the idea of perfect gods in the first place.


I would say humans are not error free. I do believe it is possible (though not likely) that a human can copy something error free, though it may take several flawed attempts to do so.

P.S. sorry for taking so long to respond, but I was reading this. It is about Phelps.
2012-12-17 04:24:49 PM
1 votes:

Shakespeare's Sister: HindiDiscoMonster: Nice to see you!

I hate Fred Phelps and his band of asshats. Hate, yes, hate. HATE.

He has a right to think and say what he does. I defend his right to do so. However, there are restrictions to free speech.

There is no right to free speech were what is being said will cause widespread panic and harm (fire in a crowded theater) OR incite violence.

I believe that protesting the funerals of those children clearly falls under the incite violence aspect of that. Calling it a praise service (or whatever his holy farkness calls it, just sickens me) does not change the possibility that it could incite violence. The parents who are burying their children today have been through the worst. Seeing WBC there and their message of hate might just push some over the edge. If it does, I would not lift a finger to stop any parent--pushed to his or her limit by the events of the past few days--from hurting Phelps or anyone in the WBC.

With rights come great responsibility--the responsibility to use those rights wisely and appropriately and to accept the consequences for using them. If they want to protest (Praise--farking shiat, whatever) let them, but they need to accept the consequences.


nice to see you as well, and I agree... sorry for taking so long to respond, but I was reading this. It is about Phelps.
2012-12-17 03:52:04 PM
1 votes:

HindiDiscoMonster: because WBC does not read their Bible... they cherry pick and don't think or reflect on it...

the pooper city reference for your edification

/hint: it was not about homosexuality


That web site is pretty damn cool...

www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org
www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org
www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org
www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org
2012-12-17 01:10:26 PM
1 votes:

cman: shower_in_my_socks: cman: I am not defending WBC or their message at all; all I am saying is that this kind of shiat leaves a feeling of sour in my mouth.


Eff that. Part of free speech is owning up to what you're saying. Don't picket soldier's funerals if you can't handle the blow-back. Now that they have these @ssholes' names and addresses, the people of Topeka should canvas their neighborhoods with posters and flyers displaying their names and a list of the evil shiat that they do. For the ones where we know who employs them, hit their businesses too. These d!ckwads abuse the 1st Amendment and our justice system -- it's time for them to feel some heat.

Abuse the first amendment?

Jesus Christ, man, you scare me.

They arent abusing the first amendment. They are using it.

Yes, their message is terrible, and yes, they are complete and utter assholes. But when they are at their homes, that is a bit far. That would be like an anti-abortion group posting personal identification for abortion doctors. Those abortion doctors are conducting a constitutionally protected procedure. By doing shiat like this you are acting like them. You are giving out personal information so others can bully them to stop.


Yeah, it is an abuse of the first amendment. The whole point of that amendment was to make sure that a person could openly express what they believe, without fear of reprisal from the government. That has nothing to do with these folks' schtick. In fact, it's kind of the opposite. These folks are professional trolls, who exploit the legal system for personal profit. If that's not an abuse of the law...I'm really not sure what qualifies. It's bad faith, through and through...

As for what Anonymous is doing, that *is* actually in the spirit of the first amendment...that the remedy to bad speech is more speech, not less. When a person wants to say something idiotic in the public realm, they should be prepared to for someone else to call them out on it, *by name,* so that the rest of the public knows where to direct their response. That isn't "bullying"...that's the conversation that these folks initiated of their own free will.
2012-12-17 11:22:01 AM
1 votes:

rynthetyn: doglover: fusillade762: I've thought for a while now that the WBC people are just a performance art troop highlighting the hatred and hypocrisy of extremist religious types.

That's the most charitable explanation I can come up with.

They make money off lawsuits when people slash their tires and assault them. They incite hate to get pait, as it were.

Everybody claims that, but I've yet to see any evidence that they're actually making any sort of significant bank out of lawsuits.

Honestly, I think they're doing their shenanigans because they really, truly do believe they're providing a prophetic voice calling the country to repentance. When I watched the Louis Thoreau documentaries, what I came away with was that the WBC crowd isn't all that different than a lot of the people I grew up with who are complete asses to people because they truly believe that they're being loving and confronting people in their sin. If you haven't grown up with people like that, it's hard to believe that the Phelps clan could be sincere, but I've been around enough people whose only difference from the Phelpses is that they're not so abrasive to believe that the Phelpses are true believers. And the thing with people like that is that the more push back they get, and the more hatred they have directed at them, the more convinced they are that they're right. In their minds, they're not getting all of that flack because they're wrong, they're getting it because it's proof that they're right. They take the scripture passage where Jesus said that if the world hated him, it will hate his followers more, and the more they're hated the more convinced they are that they're being like Jesus.


While I'm sure there's a strong element of fundie brainwash there, they are in it for the money. There are far too many attorneys (disbarred and not) in that hyena of a family for it to not be a money-maker.

/A hyena of Phelps.
2012-12-17 11:16:53 AM
1 votes:
HindiDiscoMonster: Nice to see you!

I hate Fred Phelps and his band of asshats. Hate, yes, hate. HATE.

He has a right to think and say what he does. I defend his right to do so. However, there are restrictions to free speech.

There is no right to free speech were what is being said will cause widespread panic and harm (fire in a crowded theater) OR incite violence.

I believe that protesting the funerals of those children clearly falls under the incite violence aspect of that. Calling it a praise service (or whatever his holy farkness calls it, just sickens me) does not change the possibility that it could incite violence. The parents who are burying their children today have been through the worst. Seeing WBC there and their message of hate might just push some over the edge. If it does, I would not lift a finger to stop any parent--pushed to his or her limit by the events of the past few days--from hurting Phelps or anyone in the WBC.

With rights come great responsibility--the responsibility to use those rights wisely and appropriately and to accept the consequences for using them. If they want to protest (Praise--farking shiat, whatever) let them, but they need to accept the consequences.
2012-12-17 10:34:44 AM
1 votes:

PunGent: HindiDiscoMonster: PunGent: When "experts" have obvious, grade-school holes in their logic, you don't have to go to them, even if you know nothing about their field.

For the record, I want my fellow citizens applying this standard to MY profession, the law.


please explain the flaws in logic you refer to.

"These religious texts have no errors, because they have a process for fixing the errors".

See the problem?


I understand what you are saying... but I have personally known people (yes, i know... anecdote) that copy the Torah word for word, painstakingly making sure that every single dot, stroke, etc is perfect and i remember in one particular instance, this person had copied a whole page almost to the end, made one little error (not that i would have considered it an error... just a little wavy), and he stopped, and destroyed the whole page (even though the first side was perfect). I questioned him at the time, and he told me that is normal... so, yes, there is a mechanism in place to deal with it... and that is why I tend to believe that there are no errors in the original Hebrew of the Torah rather than something that "makes sense" or is "common sense" or is "illogical"... sorry, experience is the greatest teacher.
2012-12-17 10:31:56 AM
1 votes:

GKinMD: Any lawyers or law junkies out there care to tell me what "Legally recognizing WBC as a hate group" would do? I can't seem to find any serious legal repercussions for this classification.


I'm not sure either. Afaik, it's a murky, new-ish area of the law. The FBI, for example, tracks hate groups...but doesn't publish a list of them. The Southern Poverty Law Center tracks hate groups...but they're not the government.

When I say new-ish, it's relative...takes a few decades or even centuries for Anglo-Saxon judicial principles to be considered 'established'...and then they can change.
2012-12-17 10:13:56 AM
1 votes:
Any lawyers or law junkies out there care to tell me what "Legally recognizing WBC as a hate group" would do? I can't seem to find any serious legal repercussions for this classification.
2012-12-17 10:11:07 AM
1 votes:

cryinoutloud: KellyX: Did anyone by chance see this:
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Was kind of laughing, then I read the comment to it and laughed harder...

He was being sarcastic. I'm sure he knew that Lanza's mother owned the guns. he was making fun of the "but if everyone owned a gun, these things wouldn't happen!" statement.


Given the fact this kid apparently had some mental health issues, one wonders why she chose to buy guns in the first place, or if his issues arose after she got them, why she chose to keep them around.
2012-12-17 09:58:42 AM
1 votes:
Thankfully, most of the US states are at-will employment. Employers, you know what to do.

/Mostly kidding
//I really do wonder if the WBC just got completely ignored if they'd go away, or if they'd just up the stakes
2012-12-17 09:57:15 AM
1 votes:

randomjsa: Unfortunately this makes Anon fairly hypocritical. They were championing themselves as defenders of free speech but decide that because some speech is particularly repugnant that they will adopt a "When we say so" stance.

You either believe in freedom of speech or you don't. There is no "...Well except for..." clause even for people as horrible as the WBC.


Is Anonymous a government agency? Are they preventing Westboro from speaking?

randomjsa = Kyle Mortensen

/both fictional characters
2012-12-17 09:51:02 AM
1 votes:
Simple arrest them for failing to get the Sandy Hook protest permit . Hold them till January court date and then charge them with criminal trespass and resisting arrest . Will be hard to hold on to their gubermint jobs with a pending criminal trial . Win Win
2012-12-17 09:49:16 AM
1 votes:

PunGent: HindiDiscoMonster: dittybopper: HindiDiscoMonster: I agree that 100 different people can interpret the same passage 100 different ways, but it's also pretty clear when someone says "don't do this" that it means "don't do this" unless of course you are unfamiliar with reality and communication in general... then I suppose all bets are off.

The classic example is "Thou shall not kill". It's right there in the Ten Commandments, right? Except that in the original Hebrew, it's "Thou shall do no murder". It's not a blanket prohibition on killing, per se, it's a prohibition on *WRONGFUL* killing.

But it's in black and white in all the English Bibles I've read as "Thou shall not kill", or something similar.

But, that's like, just an opinion. We can't even know if the original Commandments are worded like they are in the earliest Hebrew references to them, because they were destroyed and lost forever. So the "source" document is gone. What we have then is that the common understanding of that particular commandment is due to a mistranslation of an ancient Hebrew document whose earliest version we have was written down hundreds of years after the event in question.

Yeah, there might be some room for opinion to have crept in there.

You are correct in the reference and mistranslation... however, there is one thing we do know about the Jewish people when it comes to copying the Torah... They are VERY ANAL about it... it is a perfect copy of the original because they believe it is a sin of the highest order to intentionally or even accidentally miscopy something, and if an error is made, it is destroyed... That is how we can know that the original Hebrew is an exact copy.

All due respect to the Jews, but that argument doesn't hold water.

The fact that there's a punishment for something (destroying the text) means that that particular something (making errors) happens often enough that there's a procedure for it.

/Reminds of the line from that otherwise-awful Travolt ...


same answer I just gave to dirtybopper... with one addition: i am no theologian, so to answer that, I guess you have to go to the experts.
2012-12-17 09:47:56 AM
1 votes:

dittybopper: HindiDiscoMonster: You are correct in the reference and mistranslation... however, there is one thing we do know about the Jewish people when it comes to copying the Torah... They are VERY ANAL about it... it is a perfect copy of the original because they believe it is a sin of the highest order to intentionally or even accidentally miscopy something, and if an error is made, it is destroyed... That is how we can know that the original Hebrew is an exact copy.

So it's your contention that this would prevent any errors from creeping in from around the thirteenth century BCE, which is when the Exodus happened, to around the sixth century BCE, which is when the Book of Exodus was authored, or Deuteronomy, which was around the seventh century BCE.

You're looking at a difference of, at a minimum, 600 years after the fact.

If the scribes were so anal about copying the Ten Commandments, how come there are differences between the version in the Book of Exodus and the Book of Deuteronomy? If they both share the same ultimate source, and the Hebrew scribes copied them word for word with no additions or subtractions, why the differences?


a> ask the original authors
b> maybe the oral traditions from which the word was written down originally differed from one author to another
c> who knows

This is Fark, so you know which answer is correct, right? :)
2012-12-17 09:47:55 AM
1 votes:

Tillmaster: Just a question: what actual benefit does the First Amendment provide?
There seems to be a kind of religious fervor around the constitutional amendments, but it's hard to see why.
The fourteenth amendment was made, and subsequently repealed. Why not the First?


It could be repealed, I suppose. There is a process for that, of course. But, if you were to somehow engineer that, you would start a civil war. A very *NASTY* civil war: Not the kind that pits a group of states against another group of states, but the kind where people just start waking up with their throats slit. Rightly so, too, as this would trigger the "long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." part of the Declaration of Independence to come into play.

After all, the DoI is the founding document of our nation. If it says that it's OK to overthrow a tyrannical government (and a government that manages to repeal the First Amendment, either explicitly or through narrowing it down uselessness, is pretty much de facto a tyrannical government), then it must be OK.
2012-12-17 09:46:43 AM
1 votes:

cman: Doesnt it strike anyone as kinda ironic that a group of people who dont want to be identified give out personal identification of others?

Also, while WBC are a bunch of assholes, this still is kind of a dickish move. WBC spreads a message of hate and intolerance, that much isnt up for debate. However, the aspect of publishing private information for others to bully them because you hate the message is a bit unnerving.

I am not defending WBC or their message at all; all I am saying is that this kind of shiat leaves a feeling of sour in my mouth.


Please get this straight folks, the goons at WBC are NOT spreading any message whatsoever - other than provocation with the intent to gain reward. They have found an avenue to profit off of people's emotions and they are exploiting that by every means necessary. The provoke people into doing or saying something against them, then they sue. Nine times out ten they don't even sue for much, just enough to make a profit and then they move on. If people stop responding to them and if the media doesn't mention their name, they will lose opportunities to sue and thus fade away to oblivion.
2012-12-17 09:41:36 AM
1 votes:

Carth: liam76: Carth: PunGent: Carth: "Free Speech" is too much of a sacred cow in the US. Responsible restrictions, like those in Canada, allow people to express themselves without fear of being persecuted while stopping hate speech like WBC and pictures of dead fetuses outside schools that teach sex education.

No offense, but I'm NOT looking to Canada for free speech guidance:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2008/06/13/f-rfa-macdonald.html

The complaint was dismissed by a tribunal for not violating any hate speech law and in Canada and never even made it to the Supreme Court of Canada. When you have hate speech laws on the books there will be cases to determine where the line is drawn. I think the courts made the right decision here do you disagree?

They made the right choice there, but they still have the Canadain human rights comission which can punish you for speaking the truth with no intent to hurt anyone not a group I would look to for free expression guidance.

liam76: Carth: PunGent: Carth: "Free Speech" is too much of a sacred cow in the US. Responsible restrictions, like those in Canada, allow people to express themselves without fear of being persecuted while stopping hate speech like WBC and pictures of dead fetuses outside schools that teach sex education.

No offense, but I'm NOT looking to Canada for free speech guidance:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2008/06/13/f-rfa-macdonald.html

The complaint was dismissed by a tribunal for not violating any hate speech law and in Canada and never even made it to the Supreme Court of Canada. When you have hate speech laws on the books there will be cases to determine where the line is drawn. I think the courts made the right decision here do you disagree?

They made the right choice there, but they still have the Canadain human rights comission which can punish you for speaking the truth with no intent to hurt anyone not a group I would look to for free expression guidance.

The commission is required by ...


You're not seriously going to tell me Canada has no hate groups.

First thing off Google, some non-hating friendly Canadian Aryans:

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all- i ssues/2009/summer/northern-exposure
2012-12-17 09:21:16 AM
1 votes:
The best thing to do with this information is to create a huge amount of public pressure against the WBC members' employers. If enough of them lose their livelihood, maybe they won't have the gas money to travel to the next protest. If they can't get to protests, eventually no one will take them seriously. Once everyone stops taking them seriously, the media will stop covering them and they will simply fade into the obscurity in which they belong.
2012-12-17 09:13:19 AM
1 votes:

PunGent: Sorry, I'm not particularly religious, but I STILL think a farkin' funeral should be sacred. It only leaves 99% of the rest of the country and 364 days of the year for the WBC...or anyone else...to get their point across.

"Incitement" exceptions to the First Amendment ain't tyranny...they're a recognition of basic human nature.


Political and religious speech is the most protected speech of all. For all their trolliness and assholitude, what the WBC does is at its heart protected speech, something we should all hold sacred.

Let's look at a popular hypothetical from the movies:

Remember that scene in the Blues Brothers, where Jake and Elwood run the Nazis off the bridge, because Jake "hate[s] Illinois Nazis"? Turns out, the Illinois Nazis had every right to be there under the Constitution, and what Jake and Elwood did could be considered attempted vehicular homicide.

It was popular, but it was *WRONG* from a moral standpoint. The antidote to speech you abhor is more speech (like the crowd counter-protesting in the movie), not shutting down the speech with violence (like Jake and Elwood). Ironically, that's precisely what the real Nazis used to do, even before they took power: use violence and the threat of violence to suppress dissent. The Blues Brothers, in looking to prevent Nazis from speaking, became just like Nazis themselves.

And we cheered them on in the movie theaters.

*THAT* is what we have to be on guard against. It's easy to be for free speech when you agree with that speech, but that's not really being for free speech. That's merely agreeing with what you believe in. When you defend the ability of people you disagree with vehemently (as I do with the WBC, and Nazis, for that matter) to speak, even against popular opinion, then you will know you truly live up to what you say you believe.
2012-12-17 09:02:15 AM
1 votes:
So a group who dislikes being publicly known releases another groups information to the public. Also, the second group is known to very publicly picket so it's not like they are completely unknown to the public in the first place.

//I really don't see much of a story here.
2012-12-17 08:58:52 AM
1 votes:

HindiDiscoMonster: I agree that 100 different people can interpret the same passage 100 different ways, but it's also pretty clear when someone says "don't do this" that it means "don't do this" unless of course you are unfamiliar with reality and communication in general... then I suppose all bets are off.


The classic example is "Thou shall not kill". It's right there in the Ten Commandments, right? Except that in the original Hebrew, it's "Thou shall do no murder". It's not a blanket prohibition on killing, per se, it's a prohibition on *WRONGFUL* killing.

But it's in black and white in all the English Bibles I've read as "Thou shall not kill", or something similar.

But, that's like, just an opinion. We can't even know if the original Commandments are worded like they are in the earliest Hebrew references to them, because they were destroyed and lost forever. So the "source" document is gone. What we have then is that the common understanding of that particular commandment is due to a mistranslation of an ancient Hebrew document whose earliest version we have was written down hundreds of years after the event in question.

Yeah, there might be some room for opinion to have crept in there.
2012-12-17 08:58:35 AM
1 votes:

Daddydarko: HindiDiscoMonster: Daddydarko: because WBC does not read their Bible... they cherry pick and don't think or reflect on it...

the pooper city reference for your edification

/hint: it was not about homosexuality

Oops. Don't come at me with facts. Now show me the part where it says gays aren't going to burn in Hell forever or learn your Leviticus.. Point remains- it's a faith full of hate that produces zealotry and bigotry. WBC is a product of that (and inbreeding).

please learn to use the quote button properly... it just so happens that i am here hitting refresh... that is the only way i knew you were talking to me.

notice how I was speaking about something very specific... the reference to Sodom and Gomorrah, NOT about Judaic Law. If I were speaking about Judaic Law, I would have of course referenced Leviticus. The simple fact is God did not destroy those cities because of some punishment for homosexuality as is commonly misinterpreted by the majority of Christians, but for entirely different sins. Whether homosexuality will earn you a place in Hell or not is irrelevant to what the original poster's point was and has NOTHING to do with my response.

I think I got the quote thing right this time. I have a TBI so that I am even stringing together letters into words is big step for me. Thanks for pointing out my previous failure.

Just wanted to point out that I may have been too quick to dismiss Sodom and Gomorrah as having nothing to do with butt sects. In Ezekiel 16:49-50 the specific sin for which Sodom was destroyed is identified as arrogance, apathy towards the poor, and "detestable things". And in Jude 1:7 the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah are stated to have given themselves "up to sexual immorality and perversion.

Looks to me like homosexuality may have indeed been a contributing factor to god's wrath.


well, not really... if you are referring to the "strange flesh" part... that is actually a reference to sleeping with Angelic beings. At the time Jude was written, it was believed that some women had carnal relations with Angelic male beings (like was mentioned in Gen. and may have been the reason for the great flood as well). Please take another look at this reference and read the whole thing carefully.
2012-12-17 08:51:59 AM
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PunGent: Carth: "Free Speech" is too much of a sacred cow in the US. Responsible restrictions, like those in Canada, allow people to express themselves without fear of being persecuted while stopping hate speech like WBC and pictures of dead fetuses outside schools that teach sex education.

No offense, but I'm NOT looking to Canada for free speech guidance:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2008/06/13/f-rfa-macdonald.html


The complaint was dismissed by a tribunal for not violating any hate speech law and in Canada and never even made it to the Supreme Court of Canada. When you have hate speech laws on the books there will be cases to determine where the line is drawn. I think the courts made the right decision here do you disagree?
2012-12-17 08:49:34 AM
1 votes:
Screw the WBC. They wanted attention like the little victim-whores they are? They've got it.

When each one dies, they should just have a working toilet for a headstone. That many people will be lining up to piss on their graves.
2012-12-17 08:49:30 AM
1 votes:
I think Westboro's own God is sending Anon to speak the gospel to them. His next move might be to send an innocent into them to call them home. I'd be good with both. Reap what you preach!
2012-12-17 08:46:48 AM
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sunlion: Nice try, Anonymous, but you're lying yet again.

Funny how all this stuff that's supposedly posted to the Internet by Anonymous can never actually be found anywhere on the Internet. If this information was posted, where is it? I've followed links in circles and to dead links, but have found NO such information. As usual, it's just large numbers of web sites linking to each other's stories saying the info is out there somewhere.


Link
2012-12-17 08:46:15 AM
1 votes:

Carth: "Free Speech" is too much of a sacred cow in the US. Responsible restrictions, like those in Canada, allow people to express themselves without fear of being persecuted while stopping hate speech like WBC and pictures of dead fetuses outside schools that teach sex education.


No offense, but I'm NOT looking to Canada for free speech guidance:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2008/06/13/f-rfa-macdonald.html
2012-12-17 08:44:52 AM
1 votes:

PunGent: Afa the slippery slope argument, it ain't gonna lead to tyranny...we've got plenty of other ways to get there.


Actually, the slippery slope is *HOW* you get to tyranny. No tyrannical government starts that way on Day 1. They take measures that they consider vital, adding up over time, to make a government that might start out fairly democratic, or at least nominally so, into a totalitarian state. It happened that way in France during the French Revolution, it happened that way when the Bolsheviks overthrew the Tsars, and it happened that way in Nazi Germany. Hitler didn't open death camps upon his taking the Chancellorship in 1933.

What generally happens then is that a crisis, either real or invented (like the Reichstag Fire) allow those who have power to ratchet up that with "temporary measures" that tend to become permanent. You keep piling crisis upon crisis, and subsequent reactions to it, and you have a classic slippery slope if you don't draw a line in the sand and say "You shall not pass!" at some point.

Honest people can disagree on where to draw that line, but they must agree that a line be drawn *SOMEWHERE*, or all will be eventually lost.
2012-12-17 08:31:08 AM
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cman: They are not hiding behind the first amendment.


But, can you agree that they are hiding behind the Law and God?

You can cling to the 1st all you want, cman. Anon is doing what law abiding citizens can't - breaking the law to get back at these lifeshyters. The WBC is Evil. Pure Evil. They need to be stopped.

I, if I could. (and trust me when I say this.), would walk straight up to the Phelps' and stab to death at least Fred. Jail? Yes, I would go to jail for it. My beliefs are that strong on this matter. If they are ever protesting anything in Sweden, you'll be reading about me on the main page, right here, the same freaking day.
2012-12-17 08:28:59 AM
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HindiDiscoMonster: it's not my opinion... it's from the same book they supposedly follow:

Matthew 6:1 "Beware of practicing your righteousness before men to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven."


The Bible is religious opinion, nothing more, and the interpretation of it is the same. Hell, there are 3 separate and distinct religions who follow the same God/Yahweh/Allah, and they have some diametrically opposed doctrine, and they can't all be correct. Not to mention the schism between Eastern Orthodox and the Catholic Church, and the Catholic Church and Protestantism, and the subsequent fracturing of the Protestants into a myriad of different sects, each believing themselves to know the true meaning.

They can't all be right. It's just, like, their opinion, man.
2012-12-17 08:27:37 AM
1 votes:
"Free Speech" is too much of a sacred cow in the US. Responsible restrictions, like those in Canada, allow people to express themselves without fear of being persecuted while stopping hate speech like WBC and pictures of dead fetuses outside schools that teach sex education.
2012-12-17 08:27:21 AM
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rynthetyn: I don't really think there's cognitive dissonance going on. For them it's pretty clear cut--if you believe someone is going to hell and eternal damnation, the most loving thing to do is to be a p ...


Anyone who says WBC are nothing but a bunch of lawsuit trolls is taking a very simplistic and incorrect view. They do believe what they are saying, at least as far as their hate can carry them, but there is a simple counter: ignore them. Deny them the attention they crave and instead give them your pity. How do you think they would react if instead of backlash at ever protest they showed up to they instead received condolences from everyone present expressing grief at their chosen life of anger and malcontent. If the message got through to even a single one of them it would be a greater victory than if the courts tomorrow boarded up their church, revoked their tax excempt status and charged Fred Phelps with hate crimes.
2012-12-17 08:24:52 AM
1 votes:

Wrencher: That's the New Testament. They don't read it. Those asshats are Old Testament Christians.


thats cute

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2012-12-17 08:22:56 AM
1 votes:

Ow My Balls: Cold_Sassy: Yes, unfortunately. I think school administrators should be taught firearms training because it appears that that is the only way to stop the carnage before it is too late.

This morning's story problem:

If you arm every administrator, or even further - each teacher as I've commonly heard as a suggestion, across Murrica, how many 1 to 3 death incidents/accidents are going to occur each year from those guns versus the 15 to 30 fatality mega rampages like Sandy Hook, Columbine, etc., that occur every five or ten years that might be averted if every adult in the building is armed? There are close to 100,000 schools, and should we count schools outside of the K-12 range too, such as preschools and universities?

It seems plausible to me that it would cause a lot more deaths overall than the rampages they might, in theory, protect... just in smaller, not-as-newsworthy batches. If just 2 in 1 million armed adults snaps impulsively and takes out two students each year, and there are over 7 million teachers, then there is about the same number of deaths each year as a Sandy Hook level rampage instead of every 5 years.

Don't get me wrong; I'm interested in solutions to our problem here too...


Some points:

1. People don't just "snap". There is a history of mental illness, occasionally unrecognized it is true, in just about every single rampage killing incident. The idea of a normal person just going berzerk without warning or provocation is a myth.

2. There is approximately 1 gun per every man, woman, and child in the United States. And yet, despite that, there were only 41 accidental gun deaths of children between the ages of 0 to 11 in 2010, according to the CDC. I filtered out those 12 and above so that things like hunting accidents weren't included. Now, that's at home, where the kids spend the majority of their time, and we can't control their access or the training of the parents. I would be *SURPRISED* if arming some significant fraction of trained and checked teachers, administrators, or even adding some plainclothes armed guards would raise that very small number a statistically significant amount.

It just doesn't seem likely, given our experiences with CCW among the population: As the number of states that permit CCW has risen, so it's now the majority of states (40, in fact, are "shall issue" - state must issue a permit if the applicant meets some objective criteria), the number of firearm homicides and accidental firearm deaths has continued to drop. I'm not saying that CCW is necessarily the cause of those drops, but it is clear that allowing CCW hasn't resulted in a significant increase, despite the predictions that blood would run in the streets.

So, the best evidence we have is that it would have zero effect on a very, very small number to begin with.
2012-12-17 08:09:46 AM
1 votes:
Whatever happened to "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"? It's something that I really respected in liberals and eventually bought into it. I remember Jewish ACLU lawyer defending Nazi's right marching through neighborhoods of holocaust survivors. It was a really principled stand that cost the organization lots of members and while I disagreed with the ACLU at the time, I respected the principal and eventually came around to their way of their way of thinking.
2012-12-17 08:01:58 AM
1 votes:
Oh, and...Go, Anonymous, Go!
2012-12-17 08:01:51 AM
1 votes:

xanadian: Either way, yes, Anonymous exposes WBC members to potential physical harm, which should cause *any* freedom-loving person some concern. But, on the other hand, I'm having a hard time giving a shiat in this case.


If this was a group that had the same hateful message, but didn't go out and publicly "get in people's faces" I would agree.

IF they are actively trying to interfere with non-public people during funerals I don't thinkt heir speech deserves the protection of anynonimity.
2012-12-17 08:01:20 AM
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Im not even going to read the remainder of the thread I read enough. You people actually believe they HOLD the convictions they preach? Theyre not a religious group. Theyre a legal group. They make all of their money off of litigation against people who retaliate against their "message". Thats why so many are in law and corrections.

Theyre not a religious group. Theyre a hate organization. They're more dispicable than the modern KKK. fark them, and fark their rights.
2012-12-17 08:00:23 AM
1 votes:

HindiDiscoMonster: dittybopper: shower_in_my_socks: Eff that. Part of free speech is owning up to what you're saying.

I'm sure that Publius and the Federal Farmer would disagree with you.

Part of free speech is the ability to say things that may be unpopular. If you have a mechanism to suppress dissent or to prevent unpopular views from being aired, essentially you have the same thing that totalitarian governments have, whether it is actually wielded by the government or not. In fact, the most effective form of censorship is self-censorship.

The ability to express your views anonymously is as American as apple pie, and it always has been.

after careful consideration of both sides of this argument, I have some to the conclusion:

fark THEM. Their words are not spread for altruistic reasons... they picket so they can be seen which makes it a false message. If they spoke privately with people instead of making it a spectacle, then that would be different. They do NOT represent Christ in any way shape form fashion idea principle or any otherwise noted or unnoted notion... They do in fact represent Satan, and their "Pastor" knows it.


Ah, but there is the rub. *YOU* don't get to decide who is right and who is wrong, and who represents Christ and who doesn't.

All you've done is express your opinion of them. On the Internet. Anonymously. Ironic, no?

Think about this: What if *YOUR* opinion was in the small, reviled minority?
2012-12-17 07:58:23 AM
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2012-12-17 07:52:23 AM
1 votes:
On the plus side Anonymous is picking their targets better this week, but they seem to have only managed to take down that web site for a few hours. Meh.
2012-12-17 07:49:09 AM
1 votes:

Legios: Good point...
I applaud some of the things they do, but in other situations they really are kicking hornets nests.


I can't really get behind a group of people who started from a website that's a haven for homophobic and racist pedophiles.
2012-12-17 07:45:59 AM
1 votes:

Legios: Am I the only one who finds it ironic that the anonymous movement uses Guy Fawkes masks? The guy was a Catholic and tried to blow up parliament because it was Protestant...

/Or am I missing the analogy here?


Well they're prob imitating the V for Vendetta movie rather than the history of Guy Fawkes..
2012-12-17 07:42:17 AM
1 votes:

Cold_Sassy: Nabb1: Cold_Sassy: I wish the media would just STFU about this. I am very sorry for the families losses, but they should be allowed to grieve in peace, instead of the mediat blowing it up into their usual circus, for the next mentally ill person as a goal to achieve or exceed.

The President spoke there last night. That probably raised the bar pretty high.

Yes, unfortunately. I think school administrators should be taught firearms training because it appears that that is the only way to stop the carnage before it is too late.


I'm not saying that, but it's a fact. These shooters do these acts to be disruptive, leave a mark - a scar, really - on society. And the media delivers, of course, but this shooter got the President to stop what he was doing during a stand-off with Congress and focus on him, or, at least, what he did. No doubt the next mass-killer has noticed that. What we really need to do, IMO, is have a serious discussion about the sad state of our mental health resources. Media circuses and political speeches after the fact won't do much to prevent more of these and may encourage them, but making sure young people have access to mental health resources may.
2012-12-17 07:34:31 AM
1 votes:

cman: shower_in_my_socks: cman: That would be like an anti-abortion group posting personal identification for abortion doctors.


That's an apples and oranges comparison. Abortion is controversial, but it is a medical procedure. There is no service provided by people who picket the funerals of dead kids and victimize their surviving family members. You say I would be just as bad as them, and yet you're defending them. Turnabout is fair play. To date, they show up, shiat all over people's lives, and then go home to a quiet little life where nobody knows what evil shiatheads they are. It's about time they felt a little more uncomfortable.

Maybe you are right. Maybe I am wrong. These guys are indeed assholes. It is difficult for us to have a proper discussion about the WBC where emotions are not so much overtaking.

I am looking at this from a consistency POV rather than an on-case basis. I know the world is not so much black and white, but I really dont like judging others more harshly.

To sum up this ramble, I really dont know.


I think the reason Snyder v. Phelps had a dissent is because every single person in the room thought they were farking dicks who, if Hell exists, will be in the center of it for all eternity when they die. At the same time, the First Amendment clearly protects them being farking dicks because they aren't creating an imminent danger by inciting people to go find soldiers and gay people they can assault or murder.
2012-12-17 07:33:22 AM
1 votes:

Nabb1: Cold_Sassy: I wish the media would just STFU about this. I am very sorry for the families losses, but they should be allowed to grieve in peace, instead of the mediat blowing it up into their usual circus, for the next mentally ill person as a goal to achieve or exceed.

The President spoke there last night. That probably raised the bar pretty high.


Yes, unfortunately. I think school administrators should be taught firearms training because it appears that that is the only way to stop the carnage before it is too late.
2012-12-17 07:32:58 AM
1 votes:
Simplest solution yet: Force them into those "free speech" zones everyone hates so much.
2012-12-17 07:29:26 AM
1 votes:

Alonjar: violentsalvation:
Their first amendment rights are theirs to use. And hacking into computers and releasing personal info is a crime. I wish the WBC would STFU, or just die, and I hope the cops catch up to those anonymous fellas.

But you and I, we're allowed to enjoy smirking at the whole thing.

Nobody got hacked bro. This is all public information somewhere. My wife hadnt talked to her father in over a decade, but needs his help to straighten out some messed up birth certificate paperwork. So I spent a grand total of 3 minutes tracking him down with google a few days ago. I was able to find his home address through tax records, all of his current family members, employment information, hell I even have an up to date picture of him running a marathon 2 weeks ago.

Your "private" information isnt private anymore.


Their site was hacked. That said the information appears to be from compiled from multiple sources, possibly the original members list was acquired from their system and then other information including possible age added. I'm surprised by the lack of detail.
2012-12-17 07:27:58 AM
1 votes:
I don't have to agree with Anonymous' tactics to enjoy the fruits of their labors on this one. It is going to happen whether I do or do not, in fact, so we can all sit back and watch the mess unfold.

keylock71: This is the kind of shiat the WBC lives for...

You want to ruin the day of these assholes? You ignore them and their bullshiat.

The more you touch shiat, the more it stinks.


I agree and typically won't even click on news stories about them. They need less attention, not more.
2012-12-17 07:24:33 AM
1 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: cman: That would be like an anti-abortion group posting personal identification for abortion doctors.


That's an apples and oranges comparison. Abortion is controversial, but it is a medical procedure. There is no service provided by people who picket the funerals of dead kids and victimize their surviving family members. You say I would be just as bad as them, and yet you're defending them. Turnabout is fair play. To date, they show up, shiat all over people's lives, and then go home to a quiet little life where nobody knows what evil shiatheads they are. It's about time they felt a little more uncomfortable.


While I "know that feel, bro," this line of thinking reminds me of how the Israelis and Palestinians keep lobbing mortars and rockets at each other, because they keep lobbing mortars and rockets at each other. Where does it stop? Who is the first person to say, "Enough"?

/probably not the WBC, unfortunately
2012-12-17 07:21:18 AM
1 votes:

cman: Yes, their message is terrible, and yes, they are complete and utter assholes. But when they are at their homes, that is a bit far. That would be like an anti-abortion group posting personal identification for abortion doctors. Those abortion doctors are conducting a constitutionally protected procedure. By doing shiat like this you are acting like them. You are giving out personal information so others can bully them to stop.


IIRC, the ability to exercise one's free speech, anonymously, has been in contention for quite some time. I'm sure there are quite a few cases in the Supreme Court about it. No idea what the precedent is, but I suspect anonymity is part in parcel with free speech, even though there isn't an amendment that *specifically* guarantees an American's right to privacy. Again, that's dependent on how SCOTUS in the past has ruled.

Either way, yes, Anonymous exposes WBC members to potential physical harm, which should cause *any* freedom-loving person some concern. But, on the other hand, I'm having a hard time giving a shiat in this case.

Slippery slope, and all that...
2012-12-17 07:21:10 AM
1 votes:
I'm convinced that both WBC and Anon are being controlled by the same handlers.
2012-12-17 07:20:19 AM
1 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: In a sane world the only time the media would cover Westboro Baptist is when the story breaks that "WBC founder Fred Phelps was killed today when the syphilitic horse he was blowing ejaculated prematurely due to Phelps' prodigious equine fellatio skills and Phelps drowned under a virtual tidal wave of tainted stallion jizz. His corpse was disposed of by shoving a femur up his anus and allowing wild dogs to drag him off."


Lol. Well that was, uh, vivid.
2012-12-17 07:17:20 AM
1 votes:
This is the kind of shiat the WBC lives for...

You want to ruin the day of these assholes? You ignore them and their bullshiat.


The more you touch shiat, the more it stinks.
2012-12-17 07:13:44 AM
1 votes:
Y'know, I do believe in most of the high-minded values that enlightened liberals are supposed to have, like the supremacy of Freedom of Speech or that it's better for a thousand guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to get convicted, etc., etc., ad infinitum.

On the other hand, I live in a corrupt and badly farked-up world where murderers go free, innocent people have their lives destroyed, and nothing ever lives up to our platonic ideals. So, if the local police drag Phelps and Company down to local police station basement and go all cruel-and-unusual on them, I don't think I'll really care. And if some vigilante mangles the hell of one of the Phelps clan, I don't think I'll give three shiats and a piss what the ACLU thinks of that...
2012-12-17 07:11:09 AM
1 votes:
i48.tinypic.com
2012-12-17 07:06:01 AM
1 votes:

cman:
Abuse the first amendment?

Jesus Christ, man, you scare me.

They arent abusing the first amendment. They are using it.

Yes, their message is terrible, and yes, they are complete and utter assholes. But when they are at their homes, that is a bit far. That would be like an anti-abortion group posting personal identification for abortion doctors. Those abortion doctors are conducting a constitutionally protected procedure. By doing shiat like this you are acting like them. You are giving out personal information so others can bully them to stop.


Too far? There is no such thing as too far. Only illegal and legal. Westboro Church taught us that.

Nothing illegal about sharing information.
2012-12-17 07:02:37 AM
1 votes:
They are bad people.
2012-12-17 06:59:47 AM
1 votes:

pissedoffmick: How do these people not get killed? Seriously, you "picket" funerals of children? That is a special brand of awful.


Because this is what real life trolling looks like and everyone realizes it.
Touching them will get you sued into the next century, and groups like the ACLU will see to that even if their sleaze ball attorneys don't. They want a nice lucrative lawsuit and they'll use public outrage to get it.

You are expecting mothers and fathers in mourning to take up arms against WBC.
I suspect that's unlikely to happen.

/it didn't happen when they trolled soldiers funerals.
/If you asked me before, I'd have thought that kind of act was sure to buy them a bullet.
2012-12-17 06:56:10 AM
1 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: cman: I am not defending WBC or their message at all; all I am saying is that this kind of shiat leaves a feeling of sour in my mouth.


Eff that. Part of free speech is owning up to what you're saying. Don't picket soldier's funerals if you can't handle the blow-back. Now that they have these @ssholes' names and addresses, the people of Topeka should canvas their neighborhoods with posters and flyers displaying their names and a list of the evil shiat that they do. For the ones where we know who employs them, hit their businesses too. These d!ckwads abuse the 1st Amendment and our justice system -- it's time for them to feel some heat.


The counter to hate speech is more speech showing off that hate and putting the idea up for ridicule. However, you are suggesting it is perfectly alright to go after the speaker instead of the idea which is not okay. There is a reason the founding fathers all used pen names when talking about ideas that were radical and unpopular in their time. Fast forward to the future and others have used the anonymous pen-name as well to advocate other unfriendly positions through history (women's suffrage, civil rights, gay rights, etc).

Yes the group spews messages most consider hate but don't make the mistake of thinking others view their viewpoint as fringe. It actually seems their method of speaking the message is publicly abhorred but the viewpoint is actually pretty dominate amongst "Christians" and their leaders in general, e.g. Pat Robinson, American Family Association, Bryan Fisher, Mike Huckabee, etc. The views of the church resonate well with many who follow those I listed and more.
2012-12-17 06:53:19 AM
1 votes:
I am starting to think that Phelps is doing more to unite people of this country than anything else and it is all a plot of some sorts.
2012-12-17 06:48:36 AM
1 votes:
You need to follow @youranonnews on twitter.... I watched this go down all day yesterday. Hilarious.
2012-12-17 06:46:48 AM
1 votes:
pissedoffmick: How do these people not get killed? Seriously, you "picket" funerals of children? That is a special brand of awful.

I am guessing they get police protection, and are under constant survaillance for various legal reasons,
2012-12-17 06:46:42 AM
1 votes:

pissedoffmick: How do these people not get killed? Seriously, you "picket" funerals of children? That is a special brand of awful.


If the parents of one of these kids did it, it would be the easiest temporary insanity case ever. It would probably get them the mental heath services I am sure they desperately need right now.
2012-12-17 05:35:36 AM
1 votes:

rynthetyn: doglover: fusillade762: I've thought for a while now that the WBC people are just a performance art troop highlighting the hatred and hypocrisy of extremist religious types.

That's the most charitable explanation I can come up with.

They make money off lawsuits when people slash their tires and assault them. They incite hate to get pait, as it were.

Everybody claims that, but I've yet to see any evidence that they're actually making any sort of significant bank out of lawsuits.

Honestly, I think they're doing their shenanigans because they really, truly do believe they're providing a prophetic voice calling the country to repentance. When I watched the Louis Thoreau documentaries, what I came away with was that the WBC crowd isn't all that different than a lot of the people I grew up with who are complete asses to people because they truly believe that they're being loving and confronting people in their sin. If you haven't grown up with people like that, it's hard to believe that the Phelps clan could be sincere, but I've been around enough people whose only difference from the Phelpses is that they're not so abrasive to believe that the Phelpses are true believers. And the thing with people like that is that the more push back they get, and the more hatred they have directed at them, the more convinced they are that they're right. In their minds, they're not getting all of that flack because they're wrong, they're getting it because it's proof that they're right. They take the scripture passage where Jesus said that if the world hated him, it will hate his followers more, and the more they're hated the more convinced they are that they're being like Jesus.


The term "cognitive dissonance" has those folk's picture next to it in the dictionary.
2012-12-17 03:10:59 AM
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2012-12-17 02:52:23 AM
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shower_in_my_socks: Kind of surprised the people of Topeka haven't run these scumbags out of town on a rail. Makes the city look bad for keeping them around.


Hiring them for government jobs is about as far from running them out of town on a rail as you can get. Sure makes it seem like they want them around.
2012-12-17 01:27:44 AM
1 votes:
Interesting that four of them work in corrections and one in law enforcement.
 
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