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2012-12-16 05:36:38 PM
Man, I got flamed the other day here for pointing out that those two movies were not particularly good. people seemed to agree about Prometheus, but the Dark Knight had people out for blood for suggesting it was not perfect. I did not even hint that I thought it was bad, just not a great movie before people piled on to tell me how "hip" I was being for having a contrary opinon and I was just a mindless troll.
So, yeah, too soon to make an honest appraisal of it guys.
 
2012-12-16 05:53:16 PM
I enjoyed The Dark Knight for what it was, but holy hell it was long. That story could have been tightened up.

Prometheus was pretty, but should have been filmed according to the original script.
 
2012-12-16 06:03:26 PM

Old Man Winter: Man, I got flamed the other day here for pointing out that those two movies were not particularly good. people seemed to agree about Prometheus, but the Dark Knight had people out for blood for suggesting it was not perfect.


Yes, you're so bold and heroic for saying you dont like those movies, and your persecution truly is Christ-like in its purity.
 
2012-12-16 06:08:59 PM

ToxicMunkee: I enjoyed The Dark Knight for what it was, but holy hell it was long. That story could have been tightened up.


I actually think the opposite - it should have been a two-parter. Flesh the new characters out more, make a bigger deal out of the "Knightfall" side of things. I think too much was crammed into one movie.
 
2012-12-16 06:16:38 PM

kmmontandon: ToxicMunkee: I enjoyed The Dark Knight for what it was, but holy hell it was long. That story could have been tightened up.

I actually think the opposite - it should have been a two-parter. Flesh the new characters out more, make a bigger deal out of the "Knightfall" side of things. I think too much was crammed into one movie.


That would be my second choice.
 
2012-12-16 06:26:17 PM
There were several issues with the Dark Knight. First off, telling the Bane story means you need a story that takes place over a long time so Wayne has time to heal. This works against a ticking bomb sort of plot because, well, the point of slowing the story down is to learn who Wayne is as he heals.

Secondly, the idea that the US would sit around with its thumbs up its backside for three months while a nuke in the wild was in a major city that was taken over by thugs is laughable. I mean, they'd not even need paratroopers. No, really, given that hundreds of police officers show up at funerals they could land cops, the national guard, marines and army using choppers and the coast guard. It would be politically intolerable at the state and federal levels.

Thirdly, the idea that 99.99 per cent of all the coppers in Gotham are in one place at the same time is ... improbable.

Fourthly, for the evil behind the scenes plot of the brotherhood of shadows to work, the daughter of Ra's al Ghul has to be elected to not only the board, but the chairmanship of the board of a major international company at about half the age that people are when heading firms that big; AND masquerade as an environmentalist AND be an expert in McGuffin energy. That's a pretty unlikely string of causation.

Added together, these make for a weak film. That being said, the idea that the final film would close off being the evolution of Wayne's character where he finally lets go of his anger becomes a more complete human being was novel and good to see thought I thought it was hammered home. If it had just been Alfred looking surprized and then happy, I'd have been pleased. 

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2012-12-16 06:34:32 PM
Watched Alien and Prometheus back-to-back and thought Prometheus was the much better movie all around.
 
2012-12-16 06:52:00 PM
I enjoyed both movies for what they were. Entertainment.
 
2012-12-16 07:24:32 PM
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2012-12-16 07:33:53 PM
The only one of those I actually agree with is the return of No Doubt.

I was hoping they'd stay broken up.
 
2012-12-16 07:51:58 PM
I don't think Prometheus was a BAD movie, just deeply flawed.

I fully believe that most of its flaws were borne out of poor editing.
 
2012-12-16 08:11:19 PM
I didn't see either of those movies. Guess I made the correct decision.
 
2012-12-16 08:14:28 PM
Lost sucked!

Neil Peart couldn't bang his way out of a whorehouse!
 
2012-12-16 08:16:41 PM

Bob_Laublaw: Lost sucked!

Neil Peart couldn't bang his way out of a whorehouse!


Look, if you need 86 things to make yourself sound good, you're just not very creative.
 
2012-12-16 08:34:34 PM
20 Biggest Pop Culture Disappointments of 2012

21: F*cking slideshows.
 
2012-12-16 08:40:33 PM

kmmontandon: I actually think the opposite - it should have been a two-parter. Flesh the new characters out more, make a bigger deal out of the "Knightfall" side of things. I think too much was crammed into one movie.


I agree. Make two 1.5-2 hour movies. End the first one right around the Knightfall breaking. Release them like 3-6 months apart. That being said, I still liked TDKR alot. It's greatest flaws revolved around disorienting editing and pacing.
 
2012-12-16 08:47:33 PM
I thought Prometheus was really good. And I'm not an Alien franchise super-fan, either.

The Dark Knight Rises seemed like a near parody of the first two films. I lost count of the number of times Batman showed-up just in time to save whatever character was in trouble. It wasn't much fun to watch -- who wants to watch an entire movie about a depressed, injured superhero who isn't having any fun? It was also the first time that the batsuit looked kind of silly and out of place. I'm a huge Nolan fan, though, and I think Ledger dying really farked-up his plans for the trilogy.
 
2012-12-16 08:59:34 PM
TDK had too many goofy plot contrivances. Like Alfred seeing Bruce and Catwoman at the cafe. Why wouldn't Bruce let Alfred (and Lucious for that matter) know he wasn't dead? Send a couple texts.
 
2012-12-16 09:11:00 PM

shower_in_my_socks: who wants to watch an entire movie about a depressed, injured superhero who isn't having any fun?


Tons of people, evidently. Including you.
 
2012-12-16 09:24:36 PM
I liked Prometheus...
 
2012-12-16 09:28:44 PM
I knew nothing about either of those movies before I saw them. I thought they were both horrible. No hype, no per-conceptions. Though they both just sucked.
 
2012-12-16 09:29:52 PM

whistleridge: I liked Prometheus...


I did as well. A lot.
 
2012-12-16 09:39:00 PM

DamnYankees: whistleridge: I liked Prometheus...

I did as well. A lot.


The storyline was 'meh', but it had an incredible visual grandeur to it. It was so much more cerebral than I thought it would be, and so not a 'group of space marines shoot things and die messily so the meathead protagonist can show what a badass he/she is' movie. It had all of those elements, and yet it did so much more. I thought about it for a couple of days afterwards - always a sign of a better movie.
 
2012-12-16 09:42:15 PM

Old Man Winter: Man, I got flamed the other day here for pointing out that those two movies were not particularly good. people seemed to agree about Prometheus, but the Dark Knight had people out for blood for suggesting it was not perfect. I did not even hint that I thought it was bad, just not a great movie before people piled on to tell me how "hip" I was being for having a contrary opinon and I was just a mindless troll.
So, yeah, too soon to make an honest appraisal of it guys.


You think the rage about pointing out the flaws of TDKR, try pointing out the flaws of The Avengers and you'll get called a troll, at best.

/We're going to look back on the Avengers in a couple of years and be a bit embarrassed that it made a billion dollars. Movie was essentially two awesome scenes and a whole lot of meh filler.
//#1: Black Widow interrogating Russians
///#2: Hulk Smashing Bad Guys in the final battle scene. Particularly Loki.
 
2012-12-16 09:43:24 PM

DamnYankees: whistleridge: I liked Prometheus...

I did as well. A lot.


ditto. also a lot.

I wasn't really expecting much from anything else on that list, so pretty good year for us non-gossipy types with realist expectations.
 
2012-12-16 09:44:02 PM

DamnYankees: whistleridge: I liked Prometheus...

I did as well. A lot.


I thought it was okay. It wasn't the grandiose sci-fi epic I was expecting, but an above-average sci-fi flick. As I watched it, I couldn't help but feel like some very critical scenes were left on the cutting room floor in an effort to bring the time down.
 
2012-12-16 09:44:09 PM
Also, here's the deslide, since no one seems to have done it yet.
 
2012-12-16 09:47:36 PM
Prometheus was not a bad film, but it didn't live up to most people's expectations.

Same can be said for The Dark Knight Rises; it was a more flawed film than the other Nolan Batmans, but in no way a failure.
 
2012-12-16 09:49:31 PM

Shostie: DamnYankees: whistleridge: I liked Prometheus...

I did as well. A lot.

I thought it was okay. It wasn't the grandiose sci-fi epic I was expecting, but an above-average sci-fi flick. As I watched it, I couldn't help but feel like some very critical scenes were left on the cutting room floor in an effort to bring the time down.


Exactly right. It was a very good movie which clearly had potential to be an all-timer.
 
2012-12-16 09:54:40 PM
It took me weeks to admit it, but TDKR was a lousy flick. Granted, surpassing on its incredible predecessor would have been a challenge in any direction, but it was just trying to get too much in. Batman's gone, no now he isn't, and his car flies now, and the seige of Manhattan Gotham Gaslight detailed above, and a million cameos and callbacks to the first one, and the whole quitting Batman thing. The straw that finally broke the camel's back for me was the forced Jonathan Crane cameo, and I friggin' love Scarecrow(highlighty spoiler thing)
 
2012-12-16 09:55:41 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The straw that finally broke the camel's back for me was the forced Jonathan Crane cameo, and I friggin' love Scarecrow(highlighty spoiler thing)


I don't understand how its possible to NOT love that scene.
 
2012-12-16 10:00:13 PM

DamnYankees: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The straw that finally broke the camel's back for me was the forced Jonathan Crane cameo, and I friggin' love Scarecrow(highlighty spoiler thing)

I don't understand how its possible to NOT love that scene.


Did it add anything to the story? It didn't even feel like the character.
 
2012-12-16 10:03:42 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Did it add anything to the story? It didn't even feel like the character.


Did the scene add anything? Yes, absolutely. I thought it was critical. Did it add to make it Crane? I don't know. Didn't hurt. I thought it was fun.
 
2012-12-16 10:03:54 PM

Shostie: DamnYankees: whistleridge: I liked Prometheus...

I did as well. A lot.

I thought it was okay. It wasn't the grandiose sci-fi epic I was expecting, but an above-average sci-fi flick. As I watched it, I couldn't help but feel like some very critical scenes were left on the cutting room floor in an effort to bring the time down.


That sums up my opinion as well.
 
2012-12-16 10:32:37 PM

DamnYankees: whistleridge: I liked Prometheus...

I did as well. A lot.


yep
 
2012-12-16 10:43:35 PM

whistleridge: DamnYankees: whistleridge: I liked Prometheus...

I did as well. A lot.

The storyline was 'meh', but it had an incredible visual grandeur to it. It was so much more cerebral than I thought it would be, and so not a 'group of space marines shoot things and die messily so the meathead protagonist can show what a badass he/she is' movie. It had all of those elements, and yet it did so much more. I thought about it for a couple of days afterwards - always a sign of a better movie.


I still think about it too, but mainly when a new poorly thought out plot element jumps out at me. One of my friends is possibly the world's biggest Ridley Scott fan, and even he finally had to admit that the film sucked. If you have a chance, read the script that was created before that LOST dude got a hold of it. That script would have made a decent film, though the biologist is still a mind-numbingly stupid man in it.
 
2012-12-16 11:11:25 PM

DamnYankees: whistleridge: I liked Prometheus...

I did as well. A lot.


Well, people are entitled to their opinion, as wrong as they may be...
 
2012-12-16 11:11:26 PM

DamnYankees: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Did it add anything to the story? It didn't even feel like the character.

Did the scene add anything? Yes, absolutely. I thought it was critical. Did it add to make it Crane? I don't know. Didn't hurt. I thought it was fun.


I saw it and the first thing I thought was that it should've been the Joker judging the kangaroo court.
 
2012-12-16 11:11:57 PM
Those movies are identical. Identical except that TDKR paid off in spades and Prometheus was utter garbage- garbage for diaper babies.
 
2012-12-16 11:12:32 PM
Comic fanboys gonna comic fanboy.

Simpsons got this stereotype right 20 years ago.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-16 11:13:57 PM

whistleridge: DamnYankees: whistleridge: I liked Prometheus...

I did as well. A lot.

The storyline was 'meh', but it had an incredible visual grandeur to it. It was so much more cerebral than I thought it would be, and so not a 'group of space marines shoot things and die messily so the meathead protagonist can show what a badass he/she is' movie. It had all of those elements, and yet it did so much more. I thought about it for a couple of days afterwards - always a sign of a better movie.



For that statement to be true, your original thoughts on what Prometheus would be like is something along the lines of 'Weekend at Bernies In Space'.
 
2012-12-16 11:14:33 PM
I just watched TDKR, and I enjoyed it. I'll agree that holy fark it was long (glad I didn't sit thru that bladder buster in the theater). As far as Prometheus, I'm glad I sat thru that POS at home.
 
2012-12-16 11:17:53 PM
21: FarkUs

/somebody had to say it, Amirite?
 
2012-12-16 11:18:40 PM
I just wanted to point out that if the alien spaceship in Prometheus was significantly thick (which I think it was), running at a 90 degree angle or even a diagonal would still have gotten you killed. Running straight at a speed comparable to the ship's and waiting for it fall over would not necessarily have been an inferior strategy.

Film was still bad, though.
I laughed my ass off when even Glee made a Prometheus quip.
 
2012-12-16 11:18:59 PM
I tried to like Prometheus, I did. I tried to remember to shut off the brain and just go with it, but too many things wrong with the script just kept breaking down my "don't analyze it" resolve. So many things were very, very wrong with that movie and it was hard to ignore.
 
2012-12-16 11:21:46 PM
My last word on Prometheus:

Love it or hate it, you have to admit that the robobortion scene was f*cking amazing.
 
2012-12-16 11:26:36 PM
Bane made DKR watchable for me. I didn't care for any other character because they seemed so bland.
 
2012-12-16 11:28:52 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Bob_Laublaw: Lost sucked!

Neil Peart couldn't bang his way out of a whorehouse!

Look, if you need 86 things to make yourself sound good, you're just not very creative.


Farking pianists, amirite?
 
2012-12-16 11:30:53 PM
21. Subby fails by using the word "fail" instead of TFA's "disappointing"
 
2012-12-16 11:34:27 PM
Prometheus is easily the best alien franchise movie in decades

/omg they ran the wrong way!
//morons
 
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