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(The Blaze)   Indiana man with 47 guns and ammunition worth over $100,000 arrested after threatening to "kill as many people as he could" at local elementary school (w/mugshot)   (theblaze.com ) divider line
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2012-12-16 08:18:17 PM  
10 votes:
Silly nutjobs.

You want to kill as many people as possible? Become the CEO of a multinational corporation and flaunt regulations.
2012-12-16 08:36:23 PM  
8 votes:
fark you for linking to the blaze, subtard.
2012-12-16 09:45:55 PM  
7 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese:
you didn't answer the question. lame deflection.


why bother? like any good Romney voter, you'll just change your views when its convenient, right? isn't that what Republicans do now?

think about it. prior to the kindergarten massacre, the GOP spent all year vilifying teacher's and trying to destroy their unions. then some idiot goes and shoots 20 kids and we've got Republicans falling all over themselves saying teachers are great and how they've always loved teachers. I'm just wondering how deep the hypocrisy hole goes is all.
2012-12-16 08:16:27 PM  
6 votes:
I really need to invest in the handbasket industry.
2012-12-16 08:01:30 PM  
6 votes:
1) $100,000 in ammo? REALLY? REALLY?
2) could we have a national "WACK JOBS come out of the closest" day?

One day a year, all the crazies come out and talk about the nutty shiat they plan on doing. The cops can round them up and lock them up.
And no, I am not talking about the GOP convention. That is every 4 years.
2012-12-16 08:16:14 PM  
5 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: One of the stupider reporters here in PA managed to shoehorn "These are all False Flag operations to help Obama take our guns away at the direct order of the United Nations" *AND* "The biggest mass shootings in history have happened on Obama's watch and he does nothing, as usual.".

Within the same blog post.


shiat like that is why I left the Republican Part AND the NRA, they're getting even worse.
2012-12-17 12:15:33 AM  
4 votes:
The more you eat the more you fart I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.

STOP letting all the motherfarkers that are sick in the farking head get a gun!

/firearm owner who is SICK and TIRED of batshiat crazy people getting guns and making everyone who owns a gun suspect.
//also, tired of them giving ammunition (pun intended) to the anti-gun crowd. Its NOT the guns...its the crazy person holding it.

You are making assumptions. I have bipolar disorder, sooo.....what's your point?



Uhhh, hey there buddy..... um....

...something about a cunning plan..... and not thinking it through.... or something....
2012-12-16 11:08:40 PM  
4 votes:
i49.tinypic.com
2012-12-16 09:01:00 PM  
4 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: fta: he allegedly threatened to set his wife on fire

oh great, now we are going to have matches control.


i'm curious - do you think maybe we should upgrade the mental health care system in this country? maybe find a way to make sure people get the help they need BEFORE they go on a shooting rampage...?
2012-12-17 12:05:27 AM  
3 votes:

pacified: so the mom was a prepper, but wasn't prepped for her son going crazy?



--------

Those on the right are usually looking the wrong way.
2012-12-16 11:08:23 PM  
3 votes:
It always seems that the people with the most guns are the folks who you would least trust to use them in trustworthy manner.

It works the same with pit bull owners too.

In both cases, the owners apparently see their possessions as being a replacement for a functioning penis,
2012-12-16 09:25:40 PM  
3 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese:

How would 0bamacare if implemented as written have prevented the shooting?


it's an interesting question, isn't it? would improving the mental health care system have helped prevent gun violence...?

if nothing else, it certainly highlights yet another problem with the GOP worldview.
2012-12-16 08:25:54 PM  
3 votes:
Gee, what was it that Professor Farnsworth so eloquently stated? I don't want to live on this planet anymore? Yeah, I'm about reaching that point myself. I don't believe in doomsday prophesies or religious fanaticism, but I'm beginning to think maybe, just maybe, the Mayans need to be right so that humanity can reset itself and we can try this whole "existing" thing all over again. Because after several billion years of plodding around this rock.........we suck. We suck bad, and some of us don't even seem to care that we suck.
2012-12-16 08:13:21 PM  
3 votes:
One of the stupider reporters here in PA managed to shoehorn "These are all False Flag operations to help Obama take our guns away at the direct order of the United Nations" *AND* "The biggest mass shootings in history have happened on Obama's watch and he does nothing, as usual.".

Within the same blog post.
2012-12-16 08:06:52 PM  
3 votes:
Since this is "TheBlaze" link, I'll assume he was an avid Glenn Beck fan.
2012-12-17 12:22:18 PM  
2 votes:

Gawdzila: I'm under no impression that this would be 100% effective, but you seemed to think that my idea amounted to simply suggesting to severely disturbed high school kids that they should go get medicated. I honestly struggle to think of a less accurate characterization.


The first problem with your proposal is the enormous potential for abuse. A system such as you propose will inevitably be used to penalize the 'weird' kids and the diagnoses will reflect the personal bias of the school pshrink. This is already a very real problem in the military, where the psych review process is routinely used to punish whistle-blowers, gays, atheists, pagans, and otherwise unpopular troops. It's something that I've witnessed first-hand. Police departments also like to use this gambit as a way to silence internal critics, reformers, and whistle-blowers.

The second problem is that you're dealing with the law of very small numbers. The average school cohort (grade year) is around 3.7 million nationwide, so (rounding off) that makes roughly 15 million kids in high school at any given time. According to WHO, incidence of schizophrenia is 3 per 10,000. That gives you 450 high schools students who are legitimately schizophrenic. (Not all of them are dangerous, and there are dangerous people with other illnesses, but that's a different issue - we're only talking ballpark figures here)

Now let's say that your diagnosis process is 99% effective: 1% of real psychos will slip through, and 1% of non-psychos will be falsely diagnosed. That means 4 or 5 sick people will go undetected, and 150,000 kids will be mistakenly diagnosed. For every real psycho you catch, you will have falsely accused, stigmatized, and "treated" 333 innocent people. To put it another way, 99.7% of the time, you're crying wolf, and potentially destroying someone's life in the process. You would be doing A LOT more harm than good.
2012-12-17 03:26:16 AM  
2 votes:

Gdalescrboz: Max Awesome


Gdalescrboz: Max Awesome SmartestFunniest 2012-12-17 01:37:03 AM


Gdalescrboz: Max Awesome
Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.

When you call it "target practice" it dimes you out as one of those people who are legitimately scared of guns, like they are going to grop legs at night and strangle you. You only make having a reasonable debate about gun policies impossible when you say stuff like this. It's like hearing some bible basher say "why is teaching kids about men farking each other in the ass considered education?" fark yourself, really

You should be scared of guns, moron. They're not toys.

See above. I'm very familiar with shooting rifles. I was taught responsible gun safety by the Scouts.

Are you scared of cars? Are you scared of karate? Are you scared of large quantities of H2O? Stop being a schmuck

Hell yeah I'm scared of cars. I narrowly survived an idiot who ran a red light and t-boned me in an intersection. Thanks lady, for the concussion, broken bones and life-long back problems. Cars should be treated with as much caution as guns.

In fact, just as with driving, responsible gun owners should be required to take a gun-safety course before being allowed to own guns, and be licensed just like drivers.


You sound easily scared. Are you still waiting for those WMDs to be found in Iraq? Look out, its code Orange today, that means terrorists are gonna getchya


There is nothing wrong with a healthy fear. Fear is not always a weakness or bad thing. I drove a motorcycle to work for many years. Your damn right I had a healthy fear of being hit and killed by some idiot who wasn't paying attention. I guarantee you that that fear save me more than once. Fear can make you more attentive to your environment. It keeps you on your toes. Granted, it can also be taken to the extreme and become a hinderance. But then again, so can our obsession with guns.

Personally, I think we have lost a little too much of that healthy fear of guns. I think we view them too much as toys that are fun and forget that ultimately they are for killing things.
2012-12-17 02:52:34 AM  
2 votes:

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Popcorn Johnny: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x353]

Over in your left column, I would put one name: King George III

Yes, for you pedants, that was before the Constitution, the BoR and the 2nd Amendment. But that is why we have the 2nd Amendment.


THANK you for adding sanity and perspective to this argument. The 2nd amendment is in place as one of the checks on centralized power. It is a power put in place for the people to counter the government, like freedom of speech and assembly (and civilian control of the military, and so on).

I imagine that lone lunatics who gain access to firearms kill hundreds of people each year worldwide. But I am also sure that whatever body count they muster is small compared to the untold millions that have fallen at the hands of genocide by government or central power. And torture, fear, and false imprisonment. It hasn't happened here on a scale that shocks you, but it could. The Patriot Act had me wondering just how far our government would go.

I am moved by this tragedy but unmoved in my support of the right to bear arms.
2012-12-17 02:24:40 AM  
2 votes:
Max Awesome SmartestFunniest 2012-12-17 01:37:03 AM


Gdalescrboz: Max Awesome
Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.

When you call it "target practice" it dimes you out as one of those people who are legitimately scared of guns, like they are going to grop legs at night and strangle you. You only make having a reasonable debate about gun policies impossible when you say stuff like this. It's like hearing some bible basher say "why is teaching kids about men farking each other in the ass considered education?" fark yourself, really

You should be scared of guns, moron. They're not toys.

See above. I'm very familiar with shooting rifles. I was taught responsible gun safety by the Scouts.


Are you scared of cars? Are you scared of karate? Are you scared of large quantities of H2O? Stop being a schmuck
2012-12-17 02:10:08 AM  
2 votes:
I saw this article as a link on FB and thought I'd share...it's a column written by a mother of a teen that she fears could become the cause of the next horrible headline.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-ment a l-illness-conversation_n_2311009.html

My take is that there's no simple answer here--the posts on mental illness, gun control, and family responsibility have run the gamut. I come from a family with mental illness of varying sorts, and have been lucky to have been raised in an atmosphere where I feel free to be open about my moods and meds. I still encounter people (including close friends/partners) that believe mental illness is a black and white/crazy or sane situation, and it's frustrating. Some have been particularly troubling with their belief that mental illness of any sort is a personal choice and a problem that can be overcome with thinking positively or doing yoga. [Not to knock those things, they just aren't for me.] It's especially frustrating when those of us who seek help and/or are on appropriate medications are stigmatized for doing so. Mental illness is a huge spectrum that includes depression, eating disorders, psychopathy, social anxiety, and pathologic lying, among others. Lumping it all in is like saying anyone who has gone to a doctor for an infection should be sent to a hospital as a public health risk for ebola.

/soapbox end
2012-12-17 02:08:11 AM  
2 votes:

The more you eat the more you fart: STUPID CRAZY MOTHERFARKING FARKTARD BASTARDS!

The problem clearly is NOT the guns...its the crazy sumbiatches with mental disorders GETTING them that's the problem.

I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.


So, you're saying we should restrict people's rights for merely acting different, even if they've never harmed anyone before in their life?

Meanwhile, there are plenty of mentally healthy folks who habitually harmed themselves and others. Most male domestic abusers and bullies have no history of mental illness. Jovan Belcher was, by all accounts, a normal guy...yet he still killed his girlfriend before killing himself. Chris Benoit had no history of mental illness...but his brain was quite damaged from years of wrestling, and he didn't even need a gun to murder his wife and son. Hell, the effects of just one concussion can replicate the effects of autism spectrum disorders or mood-regulation disorders. Should we ask everyone who's ever wrestled, played football, or just hit their head really hard one day to turn in their guns?

Or, in other words, if you're so against a blanket firearms ban due to the 2nd amendment, then why are you for taking away an individual's 2nd amendment right just because he tested poorly on mental health evaluations?
2012-12-17 01:13:04 AM  
2 votes:
Non-derp link for those who, like me, are NGTRTFA.
2012-12-17 01:00:04 AM  
2 votes:

TheJoe03: Rockstone: I have Aspergers Syndrome. Do you think I shouldn't be allowed to use a firearm? Because one does not have any thing to do with the other.

It depends. In my opinion, perhaps we should have psychiatric evaluations for people like you because I've known people with Aspergers that should be able to own a gun, and others that shouldn't be anywhere near one. We definitely can't move forward on this issue if it's looked at in a black and white way.


Well, but I've known people WITHOUT Asperger's that should be able to own a gun, and others that shouldn't be anywhere near one. In fact, they had no diagnosis of any kind. So what's to be the marker here? People with mental diagnoses are preemptively determined to be unstable without evaluations? People without them preemptively presumed stable until they go off and kill a bunch of people? This is why it's a pointless line to draw.

Also, without a national standard, any talk of "psychiatric evaluations" whether for gun ownership or driver's licenses is equally pointless. If I can be batshiat insane and be denied a gun in California, that's fine...but it's useless if I can drive over to Arizona and get a gun because their test consists of "Are you nuts?"--no--"Fine, sign here."
2012-12-17 12:59:14 AM  
2 votes:

TheJoe03: The more you eat the more you fart: And I'm not some anti-gun person either. In fact, I am STRONGLY pro-gun. I just have common sense.

Same.

Rockstone: The problem is who should and shouldn't own a gun is mostly based on opinions.

Well a scientific (ie psychiatric) "opinion" holds a little more weight.


I'm not saying I have the answers, but I am saying that something MUST be done to keep guns out of the hands of people that are capable of walking into an elementary school and shooting 6 and 7 year old kids in the face.

If gun owners don't wake up, and come up with a solution, then the truly anti-gun crowd will fix the problem for them...by banning or placing excessive restrictions on firearms.

Continuing to hold on to the "NO RESTRICTIONS WHATSOEVAR!1111!!!" point of view only serves to ensure without a doubt, that sooner or later, guns will either be banned outright or there will be another overly-restrictive awb-type legislation passed.
2012-12-17 12:49:12 AM  
2 votes:

tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert: TheJoe03: hubiestubert: In fairness, I think that more folks than just myself have you Farkied as "not the brightest soul"--or words to similar effect--on the basis of your previous posts.

Good for you. Funny that you judge other people's intelligence because they disagree with you. If you want to discuss the topic at hand that would be great, but to say I'm stupid because I make errors over a phone is pretty amusing. I guess it makes you feel better.

Actually, it's the specious reasoning and thin skin that earned it for you. There are plenty of folks who disagree with me on gun control, who I still wouldn't mind having a beer with. The sanctimoniousness of your posts coupled with their poor quality of logic is what folks tend to point and laugh at. It's not about disagreement or agreement, it's about poor logic and poor argumentation. But, you can keep it up, I mean, that's what Fark feeds on: folks with delusions of competence...

I know you're having fun with the little derp-tard but I just wanted to step in for a moment and say that even as a very libby-lib I agree with gun control, I mean sure regulations like drivers licenses and increasing from there, sure, but restriction no way.
/And I'd gladly buy you a beer : )


The problem with gun control debates, is that they are band aid solutions, and they detract from the conversation that we need to be having.

When we look at gun control debates, they boil down to basics: safety and crime.

Safety, as in keeping one's weapons in a secure fashion where there is zero chance of accidental discharge or someone picking up a weapon that doesn't know how to handle it. Goes for knives, goes for blades, goes for clubs and staves even. That's simple responsibility. Folks should be locking up and keeping their arms away from kids and the unwary. I can see demands for greater emphasis on safety in licensing courses. I can easily see a firearms safety course being necessary for licensing firearms and that mandated--standards differ from state to state, and even for concealed carries. Being declined for a license or concealed carry for issues from felonies or mental illness diagnosis, those are legitimate concerns for whether or not someone should be allowed to have a firearm near them.

The other issue, is crime. And when we talk crime, simple access to firearms doesn't turn folks into a criminal--though, the LAPD and Chicago and New York PD have been making a case for questioning that--but poor taste jokes aside, access to firearms no more turns folks into criminals, than access to blades. If that was the case, my entire profession would be just kill crazy. Kitchens DO attract a certain unstable element, often with substance abuse problems, and no small measure of stress and anger issues, but simple access to blades doesn't mean that cooks are slash-happy timebombs waiting to go off. Waitress shagging timebombs? Well, that might be true, but that's because waitresses and hostesses are close, we are in our cups, and they are closest and sometimes even get that we aren't always rage filled hate machines who scream at inanimate objects, or at least understand that often when we scream at the ticket machine or the oven or the grill, that it's an easy way to blow of stress that doesn't hurt peoples' feelings. If access to firearms alone was the biggest issue, then the Swiss would be a kill crazy nation. They aren't. Neither are the Canuckistanis.

We need to be looking at what pushes folks to crime in the first place. What pushes them to crimes of passion, what pushes folks deep into madness, what pushes folks into crime as an economic alternative. These are sometimes related issues, and what gun control debates do is sort of derail the real discussion, get folks hett up and choosing sides, when neither side really addresses the issues of social instability, mental health, economic stability and social equality that often couple together to give folks either an environment where violence IS a valid alternative or push folks without much of a social safety net towards a precipice that is thin enough for them to pop right over the edge.

What BOTH sides of gun control want, is safety and less crime. That is the kicker. Both sides want responsible individuals, they both want criminals dealt with, and they both want us to be safer. The how we get there, that's a bit different. The problem is, that the way these debates are framed, is that they get folks who BOTH want a safer society to feel like they are across a mighty chasm, and thus, can NEVER work together in a larger discussion in how to achieve that. And worse, are dismissive of one another because they differ on the how, and certain that their way is best, when neither is really discussing how to achieve a safer society, only instead they focus on symptoms. Some folks feel it better to throw a band aid over the wound, others feel that it's best let it fester in the open, but no one is apparently willing to entertain discussions on how to disinfect the real rot: and right now, that rot is in that very real economic instability and inequality, coupled with very real fear for safety both economic, physical, and medical, and that culture of fear doesn't lead to good places. It allows folks to make rash decisions on BOTH sides of this "debate" that don't actually address the real issue...

I appreciate that folks want their kids to be safe. I think we need a better way to discuss it than "gun grabber!" and "gun nut!" when both folks want to protect their families. There is common ground, if only folks will put down the beating sticks for a debate that does little to address the real issues, and all the time and money that is wasted on this debate, we could have looked at better solutions to cure the real disease...
2012-12-17 12:17:43 AM  
2 votes:

The more you eat the more you fart: Max Awesome: Typical gun-fetishist. Welcome to the NRA's America.

I don't own 47 of anything. Except maybe books.

I own five fireams. Five. Does that make me a "gun nut" too?


It makes you a chip-shouldered goober refusing to acknowledge the difference between "5" and "47".

I own a few firearms myself. Owning double-digits of them for any reason other than trading for a profit would make me a gun fetishist.
2012-12-17 12:02:58 AM  
2 votes:

giftedmadness: look at sponge's profile where he lists his favorite liquors, beers, and cigars. there are like 15 of each, so funny, lol.


Get the fark out of the man's profile. You're just looking for reasons to personally attack him.
2012-12-16 11:54:55 PM  
2 votes:

The more you eat the more you fart: STUPID CRAZY MOTHERFARKING FARKTARD BASTARDS!

The problem clearly is NOT the guns...its the crazy sumbiatches with mental disorders GETTING them that's the problem.

I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.

STOP letting all the motherfarkers that are sick in the farking head get a gun!

/firearm owner who is SICK and TIRED of batshiat crazy people getting guns and making everyone who owns a gun suspect.
//also, tired of them giving ammunition (pun intended) to the anti-gun crowd. Its NOT the guns...its the crazy person holding it.

If a drunk gets behind the wheel of a car and kills a busload of people, do you blame the CAR? No...you blame the arsehole drunk. Same with guns. Blame the person, not the tool.


I couldn't have demonstrated the generalization of and stigma against mental illness (which, counterproductively, leads to people being reluctant to seek diagnosis/treatment) any better if I'd tried. So thanks for that, I guess.
2012-12-16 11:32:25 PM  
2 votes:
STUPID CRAZY MOTHERFARKING FARKTARD BASTARDS!

The problem clearly is NOT the guns...its the crazy sumbiatches with mental disorders GETTING them that's the problem.

I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.

STOP letting all the motherfarkers that are sick in the farking head get a gun!

/firearm owner who is SICK and TIRED of batshiat crazy people getting guns and making everyone who owns a gun suspect.
//also, tired of them giving ammunition (pun intended) to the anti-gun crowd. Its NOT the guns...its the crazy person holding it.

If a drunk gets behind the wheel of a car and kills a busload of people, do you blame the CAR? No...you blame the arsehole drunk. Same with guns. Blame the person, not the tool.
2012-12-16 09:26:15 PM  
2 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: Gulper Eel: Weaver95: i'm curious - do you think maybe we should upgrade the mental health care system in this country? maybe find a way to make sure people get the help they need BEFORE they go on a shooting rampage...?

You might want to bring that up with the Connecticut state legislature. They are one of six states without an assisted outpatient treatment law.

We don't know enough of the shooter's backstory yet to know if the law would've applied to him, but still...this wasn't a question of resources (mom was getting some major coin in the divorce settlement) or upgrading the system. You can have all the resources in the world but if the law's not there to allow commitment, you the parent are SOL.

oh I know...its just that I'm hearing a LOT of GOP types suddenly changing their opinions on Obamacare over this latest mass shooting.

wut?
How broad of a brush are you using to make that statement?

How would 0bamacare if implemented as written have prevented the shooting?



Does the 0 in Obamacare stand for the number of children that can be denied insurance for pre existing conditions?
2012-12-16 09:06:00 PM  
2 votes:

namatad: 1) $100,000 in ammo? REALLY? REALLY?



how did this guy ever afford $100k in ammo? is he a 1%er? did he steal it? I just don't get it.
2012-12-16 08:28:12 PM  
2 votes:

ambassador_ahab: Mr. Coffee Nerves: at the direct order of the United Nations

What, exactly, is the authority the United Nations has over our country?


None.

But that doesn't stop the derp of idiots anyway.
2012-12-16 08:26:56 PM  
2 votes:
newspaper.li

Sneaky farking russians.

/boris!
2012-12-17 01:07:35 PM  
1 vote:

Pincy: I just don't like the gun culture we have.


In other words "Stop doing things I don't like".

Good grief, you farking gun-grabbers are as bad as the Religious Right.
2012-12-17 11:20:03 AM  
1 vote:

Jon iz teh kewl: Biness: the fact that this guy exists is the reason i own a gun.

the reason police exist is to arrest u when u fire that thing


You know it is sometimes legal to use a gun. Laws, how do they work?
2012-12-17 08:28:36 AM  
1 vote:

Gawdzila: serial_crusher: But yeah, Obamacare wouldn't help at all. It just increases access to health care, but doesn't do anything to force people to take advantage of it. Having the government medicate or commit unstable people preemptively is going to ruffle a lot of feathers, but it might very well be the best solution.

I don't think you have to force people in. For students especially, it might help for the people who are in regular contact with them (teachers, school nurse, etc) to simply identify who is really in need of counseling so that they can gently nudge them in that direction. Not everyone needs to be on meds or thrown in an institution; a lot of these severely unstable people only get that way after years of stewing in their own turmoil. Proactively helping disturbed kids could prevent the real crazies even before they happen.


Beside, who is going to run our corporations?
2012-12-17 04:51:19 AM  
1 vote:

Rockstone: BuckTurgidson: Rockstone: I'm a freshman in college. I'm a healthy, happy, normal adult, except I'm a bit socially awkward.

Then you don't have "Asperger's Syndrome".

I still think you should be locked up though, and maybe cockpunched.

Aspergers is...characterized by significant difficulties in social interaction, alongside restricted and repetitive patterns of behavior and interests.

Aside from the fact I have actually been diagnosed (not that it matters on the internet), I am socially awkward, and I do have difficulties in social interaction (beyond that of a normal person), and I do have restricted interests (though not AS much as I used to).

I don't know what you think someone with Aspergers is like, but yeah...


Yep. A caricture of Aspergers would be Sheldon from Big Bang Theory. In reality it tends to be a bit more subtle...
2012-12-17 03:10:39 AM  
1 vote:
Max Awesome


Gdalescrboz: Max Awesome SmartestFunniest 2012-12-17 01:37:03 AM


Gdalescrboz: Max Awesome
Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.

When you call it "target practice" it dimes you out as one of those people who are legitimately scared of guns, like they are going to grop legs at night and strangle you. You only make having a reasonable debate about gun policies impossible when you say stuff like this. It's like hearing some bible basher say "why is teaching kids about men farking each other in the ass considered education?" fark yourself, really

You should be scared of guns, moron. They're not toys.

See above. I'm very familiar with shooting rifles. I was taught responsible gun safety by the Scouts.

Are you scared of cars? Are you scared of karate? Are you scared of large quantities of H2O? Stop being a schmuck

Hell yeah I'm scared of cars. I narrowly survived an idiot who ran a red light and t-boned me in an intersection. Thanks lady, for the concussion, broken bones and life-long back problems. Cars should be treated with as much caution as guns.

In fact, just as with driving, responsible gun owners should be required to take a gun-safety course before being allowed to own guns, and be licensed just like drivers.


You sound easily scared. Are you still waiting for those WMDs to be found in Iraq? Look out, its code Orange today, that means terrorists are gonna getchya
2012-12-17 02:52:06 AM  
1 vote:
Too bad Indiana doesn't have a Casenet that can be searched by name. I'm guessing this isn't the first time he's threatened (committed) bodily harm to(on) this wife. Somewhat drunk and really. pi*sed that cops showed up for the putative bar-b-q? A bit of impotent rage mouthed impulsively?

Father-in-law had a stroke, he had his pickup and house trailer and before he had recovered enough to walk a straight line he wanted to take off. State wouldn't revoke his license or retest him. His daughters took his license and he tried to beat them up and get it from them. He wasn't charged but, instead, taken to a nursing home. I was standing at the intake desk when the nurse asked him if he wouldn't feel terrible if he ran into a bus full of children. FIL spewed(spit) some invective and said "that's their bad luck". And, yes, he was back on the road three months later, had so many minor accidents that he could no longer afford insurance and got popped for driving without (tried to punch the cop - that ended his search for a farmer's market).

Mental health screening is all well and good but getting a court order to force adequate meds? Good luck with that (Loughner, when in the Fed Diagnostic Center, in Missouri, threw tables/chairs at staff and attacked doc and nurse before judge would order forced medication).

The vast majority of folks suffering from a full blown `thought disorder', who aren't medicated (at least enough meds to be oriented to person/place/time/circumstance), are usually more dangerous to themselves owing to disorganization. Those individuals who are slowly, but surely, descending into their initial acute psychosis are slightly more likely to strike out (majority towards family members and not often fatal). However, sociopathy/psycohopathy and lesser personality disorders? Screened/or not they might well keep smiling as they pull the trigger (`he was such a nice young man..."). 

/folks should just be the best parents they can manage to be `exemplary prophets' not `prescriptive' arseholes
//better than nothing as lawyers will keep lawyering and guns will continue to circulate
2012-12-17 02:52:01 AM  
1 vote:

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Want to protect kids in school? Put a strong security system, intake metal detector, bag check and armed (hopefully sane) professional guard or cop in every school.

Short of the perp's Mom not owning firearms, or not giving her son access to them, there's nothing else that would have prevented the kids' murders. She was not under any obligation to secure her firearms. I doubt that she expected the perp to shoot her, otherwise she would have better secured them.

Mental health checks for gun ownership would not have worked here, neither would increased mental health care if the perp was an adult refusing care.

We must own up to the fact that violence in US society requires that, for safety, our schools must be set up like high security compounds, because that may have prevented this.

Our other options are that we start finding remote educational alternatives to classrooms, or we put up with more school shootings.


or maybe start mental healthcare from childhood instead of waiting until american culture farked them up all their school lives. He probably cracked because he didn't know how to communicate, and spent most of his life alone, which farks with your brain.

Just ask any vietnam veteran that was put in solitary confinement as a POW, such as John McCain.
2012-12-17 02:05:57 AM  
1 vote:
This shiat pisses me off so much -- not to sidestep but I was checking out Notabunny's link on how they dropped Asperger's -- the headline in question reads

"mass-murder Adam..." something -- HE'S NOT A MASS MURDERER HE'S A MULTIPLE MURDERER

Hitler, Stalin, Pol-Pot = mass murderers
this f*cking clown, cho, loughner, columbine pair: MULTIPLE-murderers

/carry on
2012-12-17 02:00:32 AM  
1 vote:

thisisarepeat: BuckTurgidson: thisisarepeat: BuckTurgidson: lewismarktwo: Dollars to donuts most of this guy's collection were either collectables or not in working order/rusted to shiat.

I'll take that bet.

He's got you. People "collect" every damn thing.

See my followup, but that doesn't mean they're not fetishists.

Shall we outlaw fetishes?


Not at all. But we can all exercise our First-Amendment right to mock whichever fetishists we choose to mock. As a gun-owning supporter of concealed and open carry who does not support any form of "assault weapon ban" or similar firearms restrictions, I choose to mock gun fetishists.

Because they are farked up psychos.
2012-12-17 01:56:26 AM  
1 vote:

Rockstone: I'm a freshman in college. I'm a healthy, happy, normal adult, except I'm a bit socially awkward.


Then you don't have "Asperger's Syndrome".

I still think you should be locked up though, and maybe cockpunched.
2012-12-17 01:48:29 AM  
1 vote:

Pincy: The more you eat the more you fart: Pincy: Max Awesome: Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.

This times infinity plus one.

Guns should not be considered cool toys that are fun to play with. They are necessary evils at best.

Oh puh-lease.

Get a grip dude...a necessary evil?

Im a hunter. My people are hunters. Have been for hundreds of years. Thats evil to you?!

Well, you don't need a gun to hunt. People were eating meat well before we had guns. But ya, I don't consider the act of hunting to be evil.


I'm pretty much the libbiest libtard who ever libbed. I'm all for gun control. I'm also a hunter. Target practice is a fun family activity. It takes skill, practice, control, and responsibility. Seeing your own skills improve, and teaching others, is very rewarding.
2012-12-17 01:34:07 AM  
1 vote:

The more you eat the more you fart: Max Awesome:
Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.

Obviously, you have never been.


Not true. I was a target-shooting champion. Won multiple trophies for my scout troop from the ages of 13-16. Shooting rifles laying on my stomach in the sniper position.

But those were highly-organized and structured events and practices as part of an organization that constantly reinforced respect for the power and danger of the gun and to not ever shoot one with a human being in our eye-line.

The casual attitude to gun safety in the US just amazes me. The fact that you can just go shooting for an afternoon with your family as if it was as game of golf or bowling is astonishing. Especially when that parent may be a complete idiot who has no ability to teach their child how handle a gun or to value human life whatsoever.
2012-12-17 01:32:12 AM  
1 vote:

Max Awesome: Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.


This times infinity plus one.

Guns should not be considered cool toys that are fun to play with. They are necessary evils at best.
2012-12-17 01:28:58 AM  
1 vote:

ambassador_ahab: What, exactly, is the authority the United Nations has over our country?


One interpretation of the constitution is that treaties are the highest law of the land, surpassing even the constitution. The folks who worry about the UN taking over claim that our agreements with the UN have the force of treaty, and therefore take precedence over the constitution.
2012-12-17 01:28:40 AM  
1 vote:

Max Awesome: You know what really pisses me off? Why do POS parents always decide to get divorced when their kids are teenagers?

The teenage years are the most emotionally-turbulent period of our youth, when we're flooded with new hormones and trying to develop our identities as young adults. A teenager naturally separates from their family at this point, but if they don't have any other social ties with their peers its the ABSOLUTE WORST time for selfish asshole parents to break up the family.

This troubled kid was cut-adrift from any external emotional ties. Combined with the fact that his idiot mother took left guns laying around the house and took regularly took him out to the shooting range as a family outing, it's no wonder he became such an effective killer. She trained him to be a perfect killer of children.

Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.


Teaching responsibility IS sort of a family activity. The leaving of guns unlocked, that's a different story. I will be teaching my daughter to shoot, and I'm already starting her on self defense--jujitsu--because as a father, I want her to know how to defend herself. With that goes control, an emphasis on keeping her temper, controlling her own actions, as well understanding that those actions have consequences.

Parents who lose sight of that, that's not a wholly American activity though. I sat on jury for a case where a Swedish family sent their son overseas--to America--with distant relatives because he was involved with drugs and gambling. They sent their gambling addicted son to Arizona, and only a hop, skip and a jump away from Vegas, and into a state where meth and cheap Mexican pot abound. When he got into trouble, they wanted to blame ANYONE but themselves for the death of their son. The hospital for releasing him--which they sort of had to do, since he was a voluntary patient and hadn't been a threat to anyone else or even himself. He wound up trying to drive to Vegas before his folks collected him to take back home, and wound up getting lost and freezing to death. It was a tragic tale, but ultimately, you have to look at how the parents dealt with things, and ignored warning signs and an utter lack of responsibility in that they kept covering his bills, kept him away from real treatment, and faced with impending censure, he rode away into the night. On their credit cards no less.

Teaching a kid to shoot and to shoot responsibly is sort of what a good parent does. You teach a kid to shoot, and forget that responsibility portion of the show, and are lax, then yeah, it reflects on you. In this most recent case, it came back to bite them hard. And it did a LOT of collateral damage to boot.

I'm teaching my daughter to punch and kick and locks and throws, and just as importantly, I'm teaching her when such things are necessary and when they are unacceptable. In part, through my own example. Kids are sponges for that, and they learn a lot from those examples, so it's important that they have good role models.
2012-12-17 01:18:23 AM  
1 vote:

Curious: you have never been in jail have you? told every day, all day where to go, what to do when to do it, and you can't leave. and that's the real kicker, you aren't going anywhere.


sounds like telecommuting
2012-12-17 01:11:00 AM  
1 vote:
You know what really pisses me off? Why do POS parents always decide to get divorced when their kids are teenagers?

The teenage years are the most emotionally-turbulent period of our youth, when we're flooded with new hormones and trying to develop our identities as young adults. A teenager naturally separates from their family at this point, but if they don't have any other social ties with their peers its the ABSOLUTE WORST time for selfish asshole parents to break up the family.

This troubled kid was cut-adrift from any external emotional ties. Combined with the fact that his idiot mother took left guns laying around the house and took regularly took him out to the shooting range as a family outing, it's no wonder he became such an effective killer. She trained him to be a perfect killer of children.

Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.
2012-12-17 01:08:58 AM  
1 vote:

The more you eat the more you fart: thisisarepeat: The more you eat the more you fart: Rockstone: The more you eat the more you fart: I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.

Hey, fark you!
I have Aspergers Syndrome. Do you think I shouldn't be allowed to use a firearm? Because one does not have any thing to do with the other.


Have a history of violence or oppositional/defiant behavior? If so, then no...I do not think you should be allowed to own firearms. Sorry.

Its called the Lautenberg amendment and its ALREADY ON THE FARKING BOOKS!

You farking tool.

Perhaps I'd be more willing to listen to your viewpoint if you weren't such a gigantic douchebag.

think about that for a minute....


I can't believe I'm reading this, coming from the guy who just basically called anyone with any mental disorder a potential danger to society.

You're a far larger douchebag than anyone else right now.
2012-12-17 01:06:05 AM  
1 vote:

thisisarepeat: The more you eat the more you fart: Rockstone: The more you eat the more you fart: I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.

Hey, fark you!
I have Aspergers Syndrome. Do you think I shouldn't be allowed to use a firearm? Because one does not have any thing to do with the other.


Have a history of violence or oppositional/defiant behavior? If so, then no...I do not think you should be allowed to own firearms. Sorry.

Its called the Lautenberg amendment and its ALREADY ON THE FARKING BOOKS!

You farking tool.


Perhaps I'd be more willing to listen to your viewpoint if you weren't such a gigantic douchebag.

think about that for a minute....
2012-12-17 01:04:26 AM  
1 vote:

Gyrfalcon: TheJoe03: Rockstone: I have Aspergers Syndrome. Do you think I shouldn't be allowed to use a firearm? Because one does not have any thing to do with the other.

It depends. In my opinion, perhaps we should have psychiatric evaluations for people like you because I've known people with Aspergers that should be able to own a gun, and others that shouldn't be anywhere near one. We definitely can't move forward on this issue if it's looked at in a black and white way.

Well, but I've known people WITHOUT Asperger's that should be able to own a gun, and others that shouldn't be anywhere near one. In fact, they had no diagnosis of any kind. So what's to be the marker here? People with mental diagnoses are preemptively determined to be unstable without evaluations? People without them preemptively presumed stable until they go off and kill a bunch of people? This is why it's a pointless line to draw.

Also, without a national standard, any talk of "psychiatric evaluations" whether for gun ownership or driver's licenses is equally pointless. If I can be batshiat insane and be denied a gun in California, that's fine...but it's useless if I can drive over to Arizona and get a gun because their test consists of "Are you nuts?"--no--"Fine, sign here."


Right. A national requirement of a 30-minute consultation with an LPC or psychologist should do it.
2012-12-17 01:00:54 AM  
1 vote:

The more you eat the more you fart: Rockstone: The more you eat the more you fart: I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.

Hey, fark you!
I have Aspergers Syndrome. Do you think I shouldn't be allowed to use a firearm? Because one does not have any thing to do with the other.


Have a history of violence or oppositional/defiant behavior? If so, then no...I do not think you should be allowed to own firearms. Sorry.


Its called the Lautenberg amendment and its ALREADY ON THE FARKING BOOKS!

You farking tool.
2012-12-17 12:56:18 AM  
1 vote:

The more you eat the more you fart: thisisarepeat:


I get that you don't want any regulations on firearms. Sorry, but that is a foregone conclusion at this point, and you will have to adapt.

Clearly, you choose not to have kids. I don't care. I dont care if you have kids or not...to see 20+ little kids killed and to only be able to think about your own unrestricted "right" to buy whatever guns you want points to the fact that you are an entitled, narcissistic sociopathic prick.

Eat a dick.


And the fact that all you can think about is hurting people that had absolutely nothing to do with this tragedy, just because they wish to retain their constitutional rights, makes you a grieving lunatic. And currently more than unfit for this society, mentally. It seems to me that its you that they should be chasing with a damn net.
2012-12-17 12:55:33 AM  
1 vote:

apoptotic: NarrMaster: newsflash: not everyone with bipolar disorder gets violent or delusional or "crazy" as you would understand it to be.

And the ones who are....aren't...until they are. Do you really think that the FBI, or whichever bureaucracy ends up in charge of approving/denying firearms permits is going to put themselves on the hook for predicting what symptoms someone will manifest in the future? No, they'd cover their own asses by doing exactly what you initially stated - denying permits to anyone with a diagnosis. Which would make people (or their families) reluctant to seek diagnosis/treatment. So now you have expensive and time consuming hoops to jump through with benefits that may or may not be greater than the costs they pose and damage they have the potential to cause. Sure, you can fall back on the "if it stops even one person, it's worth it" argument, but how well has that worked for the TSA?


I don't want any government agency going through to find out who is getting mental health treatment and I would fight like hell against that ever happening(in a legal way) the thing is that getting mental health care can be so costly and there is such a stigma around it. I don't know what the answer is my own brother has to take his meds or go crazy. He's well I'm not sure but it's happened twice and now my parents have to monitor him every day on taking pills. Thankfully he has decent insurance to pay for those pills but I really fear the day my parents aren't around to look after him. No I don't think he'd hurt anyone just get committed without the meds. Maybe a halfway house would be a good place but really how many of those are there?
2012-12-17 12:54:29 AM  
1 vote:

The more you eat the more you fart: And I'm not some anti-gun person either. In fact, I am STRONGLY pro-gun. I just have common sense.


Same.

Rockstone: The problem is who should and shouldn't own a gun is mostly based on opinions.


Well a scientific (ie psychiatric) "opinion" holds a little more weight.
2012-12-17 12:51:55 AM  
1 vote:

thisisarepeat: BuckTurgidson: lewismarktwo: Dollars to donuts most of this guy's collection were either collectables or not in working order/rusted to shiat.

I'll take that bet.

He's got you. People "collect" every damn thing.


See my followup, but that doesn't mean they're not fetishists.
2012-12-17 12:45:44 AM  
1 vote:

Rockstone: The more you eat the more you fart: I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.

Hey, fark you!
I have Aspergers Syndrome. Do you think I shouldn't be allowed to use a firearm? Because one does not have any thing to do with the other.



Have a history of violence or oppositional/defiant behavior? If so, then no...I do not think you should be allowed to own firearms. Sorry.
2012-12-17 12:44:33 AM  
1 vote:

Rockstone: I have Aspergers Syndrome. Do you think I shouldn't be allowed to use a firearm? Because one does not have any thing to do with the other.


It depends. In my opinion, perhaps we should have psychiatric evaluations for people like you because I've known people with Aspergers that should be able to own a gun, and others that shouldn't be anywhere near one. We definitely can't move forward on this issue if it's looked at in a black and white way.
2012-12-17 12:40:49 AM  
1 vote:

MeanJean: Gulper Eel

We don't know enough of the shooter's backstory yet to know if the law would've applied to him, but still...this wasn't a question of resources (mom was getting some major coin in the divorce settlement) or upgrading the system. You can have all the resources in the world but if the law's not there to allow commitment, you the parent are SOL.

You know what she could have done?

NOT HAD farkING GUNS IN THE HOUSE WHERE CRAZY BOY COULD GET TO THEM.

He must have been showing a few signs of being crazy, why didn't she lock the guns up?


THANK YOU!!! I've been trying to make this same point all day (not on Fark).

Y'all, if ya got guns, and ya live with a crazy man, lock up yer guns, will ya?!?

Leaving them out where the crazy boy can get a hold of 'em just don't make no sense!!

Thank you. I will now return to speaking like mainstream America. I get my Southern drawl on when I get riled up.
2012-12-17 12:40:46 AM  
1 vote:

NarrMaster: newsflash: not everyone with bipolar disorder gets violent or delusional or "crazy" as you would understand it to be.


And the ones who are....aren't...until they are. Do you really think that the FBI, or whichever bureaucracy ends up in charge of approving/denying firearms permits is going to put themselves on the hook for predicting what symptoms someone will manifest in the future? No, they'd cover their own asses by doing exactly what you initially stated - denying permits to anyone with a diagnosis. Which would make people (or their families) reluctant to seek diagnosis/treatment. So now you have expensive and time consuming hoops to jump through with benefits that may or may not be greater than the costs they pose and damage they have the potential to cause. Sure, you can fall back on the "if it stops even one person, it's worth it" argument, but how well has that worked for the TSA?
2012-12-17 12:39:46 AM  
1 vote:
Forget stricter gun laws. We need stricter enforcement of condom use. Too many A-holes & D-bags popping out weirdos.
2012-12-17 12:28:55 AM  
1 vote:
These copycat guys are aftershocks.
2012-12-17 12:26:34 AM  
1 vote:
Mental health issues must have run in the family..what parent has an arsenal of weapons in the home with their mentally unstable child?
2012-12-17 12:25:00 AM  
1 vote:

The more you eat the more you fart: NarrMaster: The more you eat the more you fart I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.

STOP letting all the motherfarkers that are sick in the farking head get a gun!

/firearm owner who is SICK and TIRED of batshiat crazy people getting guns and making everyone who owns a gun suspect.
//also, tired of them giving ammunition (pun intended) to the anti-gun crowd. Its NOT the guns...its the crazy person holding it.

You are making assumptions. I have bipolar disorder, sooo.....what's your point?


Uhhh, hey there buddy..... um....

...something about a cunning plan..... and not thinking it through.... or something....

No, actually YOU missed the point.

I'd be more than willing to have the FBI dig through my medical records and find out that I'm not prone to violence, if it means that someone who *is* doesn't get to buy a gun.

newsflash: not everyone with bipolar disorder gets violent or delusional or "crazy" as you would understand it to be.

Only the very severe cases do. Doesn't and wouldn't apply to me.

however, my point remains...I, as a gun owner AND a person with bipolar disorder, am willing to compromise and allow a more intrusive background check to be done. Because I understand that SOME people with the same disorder as me ARE prone to violence...i'd rather have my past and my medical records dug through with a fine-tooth comb than have a bunch of little kids killed.

I'm a father. Nothing comes before that. As a father, if it means people will have to give up some of their "privacy" in order to ensure that violently mentally ill people can't get a gun, then so farking be it.

HIPAA law says that medical information is privledged and that no one that doesnt need to know about it has a ...


You didn't say "violent" in your post, you said "ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder", of which bipolar is one. I never said you were violent.
2012-12-17 12:24:18 AM  
1 vote:

The more you eat the more you fart: so what if its more inconvenient to have your mental health called into question when you try to buy a firearm?!


The issue might be, who is doing the judgement on that 'mental health'? Or whatever other blockade might be put in the path of purchasing a firearm (beyond the existing background checks).
2012-12-17 12:20:27 AM  
1 vote:

The more you eat the more you fart: apoptotic: The more you eat the more you fart: STUPID CRAZY MOTHERFARKING FARKTARD BASTARDS!

The problem clearly is NOT the guns...its the crazy sumbiatches with mental disorders GETTING them that's the problem.

I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.

STOP letting all the motherfarkers that are sick in the farking head get a gun!

/firearm owner who is SICK and TIRED of batshiat crazy people getting guns and making everyone who owns a gun suspect.
//also, tired of them giving ammunition (pun intended) to the anti-gun crowd. Its NOT the guns...its the crazy person holding it.

If a drunk gets behind the wheel of a car and kills a busload of people, do you blame the CAR? No...you blame the arsehole drunk. Same with guns. Blame the person, not the tool.

I couldn't have demonstrated the generalization of and stigma against mental illness (which, counterproductively, leads to people being reluctant to seek diagnosis/treatment) any better if I'd tried. So thanks for that, I guess.

You are making assumptions. I have bipolar disorder, sooo.....what's your point?


My point is that you're not helping. According to your own rant, you're demanding that someone should take your gun(s) away. And logically, the only way to ensure you don't have access to firearms would be to also prevent anyone who lives with you, or to whose property you have access, from having any. So then your friends and family will be in a position of having to choose between you and their guns. Do you disagree that someone who hasn't yet been diagnosed may be reluctant to put themselves in that position?

And that's not even to mention that not all mental illnesses include a propensity toward violence in the first place, yet when it comes to these discussions it seems that "mentally ill" and "violent" are used interchangeably.
2012-12-17 12:19:28 AM  
1 vote:
WTF is wrong with America? FFS.
2012-12-17 12:06:46 AM  
1 vote:

hubiestubert: folks with delusions of competence...


Plus talk about projection, oh boy!
2012-12-17 12:04:50 AM  
1 vote:

mr lawson: The more you eat the more you fart: Banning guns would mean the absolute destruction of an entire culture and way of life. These people are not so-called gun nuts. They are people who live off the land, and REQUIRE a firearm to provide a living. Their very way of life, and the culture of an entire people depends upon it.

not to mention hunting feeds a HELL of a lot of people who otherwise would go hungry


I do this. Every single year, I donate two deer to the local Salvation Army shelter. If I am lucky enough to get a few wild hogs, I will donate one or two of those as well.
2012-12-17 12:03:53 AM  
1 vote:

TheJoe03: hubiestubert: In fairness, I think that more folks than just myself have you Farkied as "not the brightest soul"--or words to similar effect--on the basis of your previous posts.

Good for you. Funny that you judge other people's intelligence because they disagree with you. If you want to discuss the topic at hand that would be great, but to say I'm stupid because I make errors over a phone is pretty amusing. I guess it makes you feel better.


Actually, it's the specious reasoning and thin skin that earned it for you. There are plenty of folks who disagree with me on gun control, who I still wouldn't mind having a beer with. The sanctimoniousness of your posts coupled with their poor quality of logic is what folks tend to point and laugh at. It's not about disagreement or agreement, it's about poor logic and poor argumentation. But, you can keep it up, I mean, that's what Fark feeds on: folks with delusions of competence...
2012-12-17 12:03:05 AM  
1 vote:
so the mom was a prepper, but wasn't prepped for her son going crazy?
2012-12-16 11:59:59 PM  
1 vote:

The more you eat the more you fart: Banning guns would mean the absolute destruction of an entire culture and way of life. These people are not so-called gun nuts. They are people who live off the land, and REQUIRE a firearm to provide a living. Their very way of life, and the culture of an entire people depends upon it.


not to mention hunting feeds a HELL of a lot of people who otherwise would go hungry
2012-12-16 11:54:33 PM  
1 vote:

TheJoe03: Pardon Me Sultan: I find it amusing when those who don't even have a basic grasp on grammar and spelling call others morons.

One clue in distinguishing between trolls and those who really are as stupid as they make themselves sound, I guess.

So instead of addressing anything you go after my grammar? Good job!


In fairness, I think that more folks than just myself have you Farkied as "not the brightest soul"--or words to similar effect--on the basis of your previous posts. There is a point where you have to point and laugh at the sucker flailing about with mad abandon in his own flop sweat...
2012-12-16 11:53:52 PM  
1 vote:
Funny...

If I collect $100,000 worth of Pokemon merchandise, I'm "obsessed".
If I collect $100,000 worth of newspapers, I'm a "hoarder".
If I collect $100,000 worth of guns, I'm a "model citizen exercising his 2nd amendment rights".
2012-12-16 11:51:00 PM  
1 vote:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: guess how I know that you have never met someone with a large collection of guns. They're quite honestly the most stable people you can meet.


How about their children? Not so much, I expect
Adam Lanza looks so stable, doesn't he...
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2012-12-16 11:35:00 PM  
1 vote:

gerbilpox: [www.theblaze.com image 528x333]

Am I the only one whose first thought was: "his facial hair is yellow under his nostrils"?

Just me? 'Kay.


/does 0bamacare cover Kleenex?



I noticed it too...and it's probably from smoking.
2012-12-16 11:33:26 PM  
1 vote:
www.theblaze.com

Am I the only one whose first thought was: "his facial hair is yellow under his nostrils"?

Just me? 'Kay.


/does 0bamacare cover Kleenex?
2012-12-16 11:31:53 PM  
1 vote:
Wait, I've got it.

Indiana man, with 47 guns and ammunition, worth over $100,000, arrested after threatening to "kill as many people as he could" at local elementary school


The dude is worth 100k not the ammo.
2012-12-16 11:18:42 PM  
1 vote:

Popcorn Johnny: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x353]


Over in your left column, I would put one name: King George III

Yes, for you pedants, that was before the Constitution, the BoR and the 2nd Amendment. But that is why we have the 2nd Amendment.
2012-12-16 11:13:30 PM  
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BraveNewCheneyWorld: Ah, I see the propaganda is conspicuously building. Alleged means absolutely squat. The guy actually did nothing and there's no evidence even circumstantial in the article. This is all part of a gun grab, or junior media whores trying to make a buck.


Yes, because it has to be some massive conspiracy by the media or the government. It couldn't either a) Be an unhinged person, or B) something more mundane, like a wife fabricating the story to get him in trouble. No. it CLEARLY has to be A NEFARIOUS CONSPIRACY.

/Get help.
2012-12-16 11:11:02 PM  
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i am beginning to think that the problem with America is blanket gifting of privileges and citizenship (not of rights).
But that opens up a whole other can of worms.
/Would you like to know more?
2012-12-16 11:10:33 PM  
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Ah, I see the propaganda is conspicuously building. Alleged means absolutely squat. The guy actually did nothing and there's no evidence even circumstantial in the article. This is all part of a gun grab, or junior media whores trying to make a buck.
2012-12-16 11:06:00 PM  
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DAMMIT!

I clicked on a Blaze link.
2012-12-16 11:04:38 PM  
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i18.photobucket.com

Looks like Waingro from Heat.
2012-12-16 09:20:40 PM  
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Did the guy have the guns and the ammo?

Likely so.

Was possession of same necessarily illegal or demonstrative of "bad intent"?

Possibly, likely not.

Is it POSSIBLE that wifey was ENRAGED at hubby over some irrelevant issue and MADE THE WHOLE THING UP, capitalizing on the Connecticut story to "stick it" to hubby?

You decide.

CSB:

Years ago I bought a very nice home from a very nice couple in the quiet and affluent community of [redacted]. When we showed up with the first truckload of our furnishings, said couple was still moving out: In the (very large) garage were several open gun safes, and guns of every description were laid out neatly on a carpet the floor of the garage.

And I mean guns of EVERY description: Rifles, pistols, muzzle loaders... from antique collectibles the most recent high-power sniper rifles to Uzi's - YES FULLY AUTOMATIC MACHINE GUNS, and ammunition and accessories of every description.

Turns out that the gentleman was a licensed firearms dealer, and every single weapon and cartridge in his "arsenal' was in his possession legally. He was also a skilled machinist, and many of the guns he had were custom built - including an air rifle (powered by a scuba tank) that he used for "plinking" coyotes - as firing conventional weapons was illegal in that area.

Oddly enough, he looked a HELL of a lot like the guy pictured in TFA - scruffy, long-haired and bearded - yet he was a fine upstanding citizen, and close friends with many members of the local law enforcement community, many of whom were his customers.

/CSB

Looks like 2013 will be the "year of the gun" here in the US. It will be interesting to see the political games unfold.
2012-12-16 09:13:36 PM  
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Gulper Eel: Weaver95: i'm curious - do you think maybe we should upgrade the mental health care system in this country? maybe find a way to make sure people get the help they need BEFORE they go on a shooting rampage...?

You might want to bring that up with the Connecticut state legislature. They are one of six states without an assisted outpatient treatment law.

We don't know enough of the shooter's backstory yet to know if the law would've applied to him, but still...this wasn't a question of resources (mom was getting some major coin in the divorce settlement) or upgrading the system. You can have all the resources in the world but if the law's not there to allow commitment, you the parent are SOL.


oh I know...its just that I'm hearing a LOT of GOP types suddenly changing their opinions on Obamacare over this latest mass shooting.
2012-12-16 09:09:55 PM  
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Weaver95: i'm curious - do you think maybe we should upgrade the mental health care system in this country? maybe find a way to make sure people get the help they need BEFORE they go on a shooting rampage...?


You might want to bring that up with the Connecticut state legislature. They are one of six states without an assisted outpatient treatment law.

We don't know enough of the shooter's backstory yet to know if the law would've applied to him, but still...this wasn't a question of resources (mom was getting some major coin in the divorce settlement) or upgrading the system. You can have all the resources in the world but if the law's not there to allow commitment, you the parent are SOL.
2012-12-16 08:40:08 PM  
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This is clearly what the authors of the 2nd Amendment had in mind, amirite?
2012-12-16 08:39:17 PM  
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FlashHarry: fark you for linking to the blaze, subtard.


At least there's the tag to warn you. Unlike Free Republic. Almost got tricked into going there the other day.
2012-12-16 08:33:32 PM  
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AbbeySomeone: namatad: 1) $100,000 in ammo? REALLY? REALLY?
2) could we have a national "WACK JOBS come out of the closest" day?

One day a year, all the crazies come out and talk about the nutty shiat they plan on doing. The cops can round them up and lock them up.
And no, I am not talking about the GOP convention. That is every 4 years.

Cop math.
See also drug seizure threads.


Yah, my really was actually both.
1) 100k ??? LOL cop math
2) 100k is how many rounds??? even at a dollar each that is 100k rounds??? WTF! At $10 a round, which is silly even for cops, that is still 10k rounds ... which is STILL a bit insane. How many days of shooting would that take?? LOL
2012-12-16 08:21:35 PM  
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namatad: 1) $100,000 in ammo? REALLY? REALLY?
2) could we have a national "WACK JOBS come out of the closest" day?

One day a year, all the crazies come out and talk about the nutty shiat they plan on doing. The cops can round them up and lock them up.
And no, I am not talking about the GOP convention. That is every 4 years.


Cop math.
See also drug seizure threads.
2012-12-16 08:20:04 PM  
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Mr. Coffee Nerves: at the direct order of the United Nations


What, exactly, is the authority the United Nations has over our country?
2012-12-16 08:12:53 PM  
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HERE

There's a proposal. From a gunsmith no less.

Don't let it be said gun owners aren't willing to compromise.
2012-12-16 07:59:32 PM  
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Did they put something in the water or what?
 
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