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(The Blaze)   Indiana man with 47 guns and ammunition worth over $100,000 arrested after threatening to "kill as many people as he could" at local elementary school (w/mugshot)   (theblaze.com) divider line 478
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2012-12-16 07:59:32 PM
Did they put something in the water or what?
 
2012-12-16 08:01:30 PM
1) $100,000 in ammo? REALLY? REALLY?
2) could we have a national "WACK JOBS come out of the closest" day?

One day a year, all the crazies come out and talk about the nutty shiat they plan on doing. The cops can round them up and lock them up.
And no, I am not talking about the GOP convention. That is every 4 years.
 
2012-12-16 08:06:52 PM
Since this is "TheBlaze" link, I'll assume he was an avid Glenn Beck fan.
 
2012-12-16 08:07:19 PM
Just when you think the soundtrack can't get worse.  Some shiatty "Worser Harder" tribute band emerges.
 
2012-12-16 08:12:53 PM
HERE

There's a proposal. From a gunsmith no less.

Don't let it be said gun owners aren't willing to compromise.
 
2012-12-16 08:13:05 PM
Law abiding citizen. Nothing to
see here.
 
2012-12-16 08:13:21 PM
One of the stupider reporters here in PA managed to shoehorn "These are all False Flag operations to help Obama take our guns away at the direct order of the United Nations" *AND* "The biggest mass shootings in history have happened on Obama's watch and he does nothing, as usual.".

Within the same blog post.
 
2012-12-16 08:16:14 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: One of the stupider reporters here in PA managed to shoehorn "These are all False Flag operations to help Obama take our guns away at the direct order of the United Nations" *AND* "The biggest mass shootings in history have happened on Obama's watch and he does nothing, as usual.".

Within the same blog post.


shiat like that is why I left the Republican Part AND the NRA, they're getting even worse.
 
2012-12-16 08:16:27 PM
I really need to invest in the handbasket industry.
 
2012-12-16 08:18:17 PM
Silly nutjobs.

You want to kill as many people as possible? Become the CEO of a multinational corporation and flaunt regulations.
 
2012-12-16 08:20:04 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: at the direct order of the United Nations


What, exactly, is the authority the United Nations has over our country?
 
2012-12-16 08:21:35 PM

namatad: 1) $100,000 in ammo? REALLY? REALLY?
2) could we have a national "WACK JOBS come out of the closest" day?

One day a year, all the crazies come out and talk about the nutty shiat they plan on doing. The cops can round them up and lock them up.
And no, I am not talking about the GOP convention. That is every 4 years.


Cop math.
See also drug seizure threads.
 
2012-12-16 08:22:44 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: One of the stupider reporters here in PA managed to shoehorn "These are all False Flag operations to help Obama take our guns away at the direct order of the United Nations" *AND* "The biggest mass shootings in history have happened on Obama's watch and he does nothing, as usual.".

Within the same blog post.


I must have missed that one.
 
2012-12-16 08:25:11 PM
Put on either the Purdue or IU game. If he's a real Hoosier, he'll drop whatever he's doing until halftime. Crime problem - solved.
 
2012-12-16 08:25:54 PM
Gee, what was it that Professor Farnsworth so eloquently stated? I don't want to live on this planet anymore? Yeah, I'm about reaching that point myself. I don't believe in doomsday prophesies or religious fanaticism, but I'm beginning to think maybe, just maybe, the Mayans need to be right so that humanity can reset itself and we can try this whole "existing" thing all over again. Because after several billion years of plodding around this rock.........we suck. We suck bad, and some of us don't even seem to care that we suck.
 
2012-12-16 08:26:56 PM
newspaper.li

Sneaky farking russians.

/boris!
 
2012-12-16 08:28:12 PM

ambassador_ahab: Mr. Coffee Nerves: at the direct order of the United Nations

What, exactly, is the authority the United Nations has over our country?


None.

But that doesn't stop the derp of idiots anyway.
 
2012-12-16 08:33:28 PM

ambassador_ahab: Mr. Coffee Nerves: at the direct order of the United Nations

What, exactly, is the authority the United Nations has over our country?


It's secret!
 
2012-12-16 08:33:32 PM

AbbeySomeone: namatad: 1) $100,000 in ammo? REALLY? REALLY?
2) could we have a national "WACK JOBS come out of the closest" day?

One day a year, all the crazies come out and talk about the nutty shiat they plan on doing. The cops can round them up and lock them up.
And no, I am not talking about the GOP convention. That is every 4 years.

Cop math.
See also drug seizure threads.


Yah, my really was actually both.
1) 100k ??? LOL cop math
2) 100k is how many rounds??? even at a dollar each that is 100k rounds??? WTF! At $10 a round, which is silly even for cops, that is still 10k rounds ... which is STILL a bit insane. How many days of shooting would that take?? LOL
 
2012-12-16 08:34:57 PM

namatad: 1) $100,000 in ammo? REALLY? REALLY?
2) could we have a national "WACK JOBS come out of the closest" day?


He's protecting America from Obama's tyranny

Why do you hate America?
 
2012-12-16 08:36:23 PM
fark you for linking to the blaze, subtard.
 
2012-12-16 08:39:17 PM

FlashHarry: fark you for linking to the blaze, subtard.


At least there's the tag to warn you. Unlike Free Republic. Almost got tricked into going there the other day.
 
2012-12-16 08:40:08 PM
This is clearly what the authors of the 2nd Amendment had in mind, amirite?
 
2012-12-16 08:46:36 PM
The resemblance to Willie Nelson is quite unfortunate.
 
2012-12-16 08:47:18 PM

namatad: AbbeySomeone: namatad: 1) $100,000 in ammo? REALLY? REALLY?
2) could we have a national "WACK JOBS come out of the closest" day?

One day a year, all the crazies come out and talk about the nutty shiat they plan on doing. The cops can round them up and lock them up.
And no, I am not talking about the GOP convention. That is every 4 years.

Cop math.
See also drug seizure threads.

Yah, my really was actually both.
1) 100k ??? LOL cop math
2) 100k is how many rounds??? even at a dollar each that is 100k rounds??? WTF! At $10 a round, which is silly even for cops, that is still 10k rounds ... which is STILL a bit insane. How many days of shooting would that take?? LOL


FTFA: 47 guns and ammunition worth over $100,000.

I'm assuming the value of the 47 guns was included in that number?
 
2012-12-16 08:49:20 PM

Apos: The resemblance to Willie Nelson is quite unfortunate.


Don't be silly. Willie Nelson has dark hair and a bandanna. He also got stoned on the roof of the WhiteHouse. Please attempt relevant analogies.
 
2012-12-16 08:59:39 PM
fta: he allegedly threatened to set his wife on fire

oh great, now we are going to have matches control.
 
2012-12-16 09:01:00 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: fta: he allegedly threatened to set his wife on fire

oh great, now we are going to have matches control.


i'm curious - do you think maybe we should upgrade the mental health care system in this country? maybe find a way to make sure people get the help they need BEFORE they go on a shooting rampage...?
 
2012-12-16 09:03:11 PM

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: fta: he allegedly threatened to set his wife on fire

oh great, now we are going to have matches control.

i'm curious - do you think maybe we should upgrade the mental health care system in this country? maybe find a way to make sure people get the help they need BEFORE they go on a shooting rampage...?


of course we should.

although I am not sure that this person would have woken up one day and said "hey, I am crazy, let me go to the local mental health critic and get me some help"
 
2012-12-16 09:03:36 PM

Lionel Mandrake: namatad: 1) $100,000 in ammo? REALLY? REALLY?
2) could we have a national "WACK JOBS come out of the closest" day?

He's protecting America from Obama's tyranny

Why do you hate America?


heh
I dont hate amerika!!
I hate the fake amerikans!!
 
2012-12-16 09:06:00 PM

namatad: 1) $100,000 in ammo? REALLY? REALLY?



how did this guy ever afford $100k in ammo? is he a 1%er? did he steal it? I just don't get it.
 
2012-12-16 09:09:55 PM

Weaver95: i'm curious - do you think maybe we should upgrade the mental health care system in this country? maybe find a way to make sure people get the help they need BEFORE they go on a shooting rampage...?


You might want to bring that up with the Connecticut state legislature. They are one of six states without an assisted outpatient treatment law.

We don't know enough of the shooter's backstory yet to know if the law would've applied to him, but still...this wasn't a question of resources (mom was getting some major coin in the divorce settlement) or upgrading the system. You can have all the resources in the world but if the law's not there to allow commitment, you the parent are SOL.
 
2012-12-16 09:13:36 PM

Gulper Eel: Weaver95: i'm curious - do you think maybe we should upgrade the mental health care system in this country? maybe find a way to make sure people get the help they need BEFORE they go on a shooting rampage...?

You might want to bring that up with the Connecticut state legislature. They are one of six states without an assisted outpatient treatment law.

We don't know enough of the shooter's backstory yet to know if the law would've applied to him, but still...this wasn't a question of resources (mom was getting some major coin in the divorce settlement) or upgrading the system. You can have all the resources in the world but if the law's not there to allow commitment, you the parent are SOL.


oh I know...its just that I'm hearing a LOT of GOP types suddenly changing their opinions on Obamacare over this latest mass shooting.
 
2012-12-16 09:20:40 PM
Did the guy have the guns and the ammo?

Likely so.

Was possession of same necessarily illegal or demonstrative of "bad intent"?

Possibly, likely not.

Is it POSSIBLE that wifey was ENRAGED at hubby over some irrelevant issue and MADE THE WHOLE THING UP, capitalizing on the Connecticut story to "stick it" to hubby?

You decide.

CSB:

Years ago I bought a very nice home from a very nice couple in the quiet and affluent community of [redacted]. When we showed up with the first truckload of our furnishings, said couple was still moving out: In the (very large) garage were several open gun safes, and guns of every description were laid out neatly on a carpet the floor of the garage.

And I mean guns of EVERY description: Rifles, pistols, muzzle loaders... from antique collectibles the most recent high-power sniper rifles to Uzi's - YES FULLY AUTOMATIC MACHINE GUNS, and ammunition and accessories of every description.

Turns out that the gentleman was a licensed firearms dealer, and every single weapon and cartridge in his "arsenal' was in his possession legally. He was also a skilled machinist, and many of the guns he had were custom built - including an air rifle (powered by a scuba tank) that he used for "plinking" coyotes - as firing conventional weapons was illegal in that area.

Oddly enough, he looked a HELL of a lot like the guy pictured in TFA - scruffy, long-haired and bearded - yet he was a fine upstanding citizen, and close friends with many members of the local law enforcement community, many of whom were his customers.

/CSB

Looks like 2013 will be the "year of the gun" here in the US. It will be interesting to see the political games unfold.
 
2012-12-16 09:20:40 PM

Weaver95: Gulper Eel: Weaver95: i'm curious - do you think maybe we should upgrade the mental health care system in this country? maybe find a way to make sure people get the help they need BEFORE they go on a shooting rampage...?

You might want to bring that up with the Connecticut state legislature. They are one of six states without an assisted outpatient treatment law.

We don't know enough of the shooter's backstory yet to know if the law would've applied to him, but still...this wasn't a question of resources (mom was getting some major coin in the divorce settlement) or upgrading the system. You can have all the resources in the world but if the law's not there to allow commitment, you the parent are SOL.

oh I know...its just that I'm hearing a LOT of GOP types suddenly changing their opinions on Obamacare over this latest mass shooting.


wut?
How broad of a brush are you using to make that statement?

How would 0bamacare if implemented as written have prevented the shooting?
 
2012-12-16 09:22:18 PM

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: fta: he allegedly threatened to set his wife on fire

oh great, now we are going to have matches control.

i'm curious - do you think maybe we should upgrade the mental health care system in this country? maybe find a way to make sure people get the help they need BEFORE they go on a shooting rampage...?



Drug 'em all, let God sort 'em out!
 
2012-12-16 09:25:40 PM

tenpoundsofcheese:

How would 0bamacare if implemented as written have prevented the shooting?


it's an interesting question, isn't it? would improving the mental health care system have helped prevent gun violence...?

if nothing else, it certainly highlights yet another problem with the GOP worldview.
 
2012-12-16 09:26:15 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: Gulper Eel: Weaver95: i'm curious - do you think maybe we should upgrade the mental health care system in this country? maybe find a way to make sure people get the help they need BEFORE they go on a shooting rampage...?

You might want to bring that up with the Connecticut state legislature. They are one of six states without an assisted outpatient treatment law.

We don't know enough of the shooter's backstory yet to know if the law would've applied to him, but still...this wasn't a question of resources (mom was getting some major coin in the divorce settlement) or upgrading the system. You can have all the resources in the world but if the law's not there to allow commitment, you the parent are SOL.

oh I know...its just that I'm hearing a LOT of GOP types suddenly changing their opinions on Obamacare over this latest mass shooting.

wut?
How broad of a brush are you using to make that statement?

How would 0bamacare if implemented as written have prevented the shooting?



Does the 0 in Obamacare stand for the number of children that can be denied insurance for pre existing conditions?
 
2012-12-16 09:32:48 PM

Weaver95: would improving the mental health care system have helped prevent gun violence...?


It might help...but there is recent history of states taking billions for mental health care and shuffling it off to more politically-popular targets. Technically this isn't supposed to be done, but New York got away with it with a wink and a nod from Washington until an expose revealed that billions in mental-health-care money...in this case, for the developmentally disabled...was being diverted.

And then you've got a failure of a program, but one that can't be killed because it buys so many votes.
 
2012-12-16 09:33:42 PM

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese:

How would 0bamacare if implemented as written have prevented the shooting?

it's an interesting question, isn't it? would improving the mental health care system have helped prevent gun violence...?

if nothing else, it certainly highlights yet another problem with the GOP worldview.


you didn't answer the question. lame deflection.

how would implementing 0bamacare have prevented the shooting?

Did the killer not have access to any mental health care?
Did he or his mom not have the money to go to a professional?
If the mental healthcare were free, would he have gone to get help?
 
2012-12-16 09:36:42 PM

Raharu: tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: Gulper Eel: Weaver95: i'm curious - do you think maybe we should upgrade the mental health care system in this country? maybe find a way to make sure people get the help they need BEFORE they go on a shooting rampage...?

You might want to bring that up with the Connecticut state legislature. They are one of six states without an assisted outpatient treatment law.

We don't know enough of the shooter's backstory yet to know if the law would've applied to him, but still...this wasn't a question of resources (mom was getting some major coin in the divorce settlement) or upgrading the system. You can have all the resources in the world but if the law's not there to allow commitment, you the parent are SOL.

oh I know...its just that I'm hearing a LOT of GOP types suddenly changing their opinions on Obamacare over this latest mass shooting.

wut?
How broad of a brush are you using to make that statement?

How would 0bamacare if implemented as written have prevented the shooting?


Does the 0 in Obamacare stand for the number of children that can be denied insurance for pre existing conditions?


don't hijack a thread. this is not about pre-existing conditions.

the assertion was that somehow people are rethinking 0bamacare in light of the shootings as if 0bamacare would have prevented it.
 
2012-12-16 09:39:56 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: How would 0bamacare if implemented as written have prevented the shooting?

 

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2012-12-16 09:44:47 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese:

How would 0bamacare if implemented as written have prevented the shooting?

it's an interesting question, isn't it? would improving the mental health care system have helped prevent gun violence...?

if nothing else, it certainly highlights yet another problem with the GOP worldview.

you didn't answer the question. lame deflection.

how would implementing 0bamacare have prevented the shooting?

Did the killer not have access to any mental health care?
Did he or his mom not have the money to go to a professional?
If the mental healthcare were free, would he have gone to get help?


by the way, I don't know about the CT shooter, but the Viriginia shooter was covered by health care through the school which included mental health and suicide counciling.
 
2012-12-16 09:45:55 PM

tenpoundsofcheese:
you didn't answer the question. lame deflection.


why bother? like any good Romney voter, you'll just change your views when its convenient, right? isn't that what Republicans do now?

think about it. prior to the kindergarten massacre, the GOP spent all year vilifying teacher's and trying to destroy their unions. then some idiot goes and shoots 20 kids and we've got Republicans falling all over themselves saying teachers are great and how they've always loved teachers. I'm just wondering how deep the hypocrisy hole goes is all.
 
2012-12-16 09:46:44 PM

Amos Quito: tenpoundsofcheese: How would 0bamacare if implemented as written have prevented the shooting? 

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sorry, you are right.
0bamacare will solve all our nations problems starting with making sure that anyone with a violent tendancy is somehow magically identified and fixed.

then it will move on to solving obesity and male pattern baldness.
 
2012-12-16 09:53:02 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Amos Quito: tenpoundsofcheese: How would 0bamacare if implemented as written have prevented the shooting? 

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sorry, you are right.
0bamacare will solve all our nations problems starting with making sure that anyone with a violent tendancy is somehow magically identified and fixed.

then it will move on to solving obesity and male pattern baldness.


you know, I could make a similar argument over TSA gate rape (it's ineffective, not proven to work and its expensive plus it violates our rights) but you'd ignore it.

well, you have in the past anyways. i'm sure NOW you'll change your tune, right? suddenly you care about the bill of rights? or did you only care about the 2nd amendment?
 
2012-12-16 09:59:12 PM

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese:
you didn't answer the question. lame deflection.

why bother? like any good Romney voter, you'll just change your views when its convenient, right? isn't that what Republicans do now?

think about it. prior to the kindergarten massacre, the GOP spent all year vilifying teacher's and trying to destroy their unions. then some idiot goes and shoots 20 kids and we've got Republicans falling all over themselves saying teachers are great and how they've always loved teachers. I'm just wondering how deep the hypocrisy hole goes is all.


wow. you are really phoning it in tonight 0/10.

you can't answer a question so you just accuse me of changing my position? that is weak, even for you.

as to your comments on teachers and unions, too bad you are too simple minded to understand the difference. Here, I will try to help you: to the left, corporations are usually evil, but many people who work in them are often down trodden, under-appreciated and underpaid.
 
2012-12-16 09:59:44 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: by the way, I don't know about the CT shooter, but the Viriginia shooter was covered by health care through the school which included mental health and suicide counciling.


Suicide council. Is that kind of like a death panel?

I suppose you could argue that Cho's problems stemmed from not having proper treatment through most of his life, and that suddenly having it for the 2 years he spent in college wasn't enough to change anything?

I think the important problem is that we can't force those people to get help until after they commit a crime. My family deals with an aunt of mine like that on a regular basis. When she goes off her meds everybody in the family knows, but everyone is powerless to do anything about it until she's back in jail, where they force her back onto the meds, then release her and start the cycle over again.
 
2012-12-16 10:02:02 PM

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: Amos Quito: tenpoundsofcheese: How would 0bamacare if implemented as written have prevented the shooting? 

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sorry, you are right.
0bamacare will solve all our nations problems starting with making sure that anyone with a violent tendancy is somehow magically identified and fixed.

then it will move on to solving obesity and male pattern baldness.

you know, I could make a similar argument over TSA gate rape (it's ineffective, not proven to work and its expensive plus it violates our rights) but you'd ignore it.

wtf are you talking about? I ignore your arguments because they are often stupid, but I doubt I ever defended the TSA as some model of efficiency and good practices.

 
2012-12-16 10:05:41 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese:
you didn't answer the question. lame deflection.

why bother? like any good Romney voter, you'll just change your views when its convenient, right? isn't that what Republicans do now?

think about it. prior to the kindergarten massacre, the GOP spent all year vilifying teacher's and trying to destroy their unions. then some idiot goes and shoots 20 kids and we've got Republicans falling all over themselves saying teachers are great and how they've always loved teachers. I'm just wondering how deep the hypocrisy hole goes is all.

wow. you are really phoning it in tonight 0/10.

you can't answer a question so you just accuse me of changing my position? that is weak, even for you.

as to your comments on teachers and unions, too bad you are too simple minded to understand the difference. Here, I will try to help you: to the left, corporations are usually evil, but many people who work in them are often down trodden, under-appreciated and underpaid.


Its ok, I didn't really expect you to answer my questions. i'm just pondering a few things is all.
 
2012-12-16 10:15:04 PM

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese:
you didn't answer the question. lame deflection.

why bother? like any good Romney voter, you'll just change your views when its convenient, right? isn't that what Republicans do now?

think about it. prior to the kindergarten massacre, the GOP spent all year vilifying teacher's and trying to destroy their unions. then some idiot goes and shoots 20 kids and we've got Republicans falling all over themselves saying teachers are great and how they've always loved teachers. I'm just wondering how deep the hypocrisy hole goes is all.

wow. you are really phoning it in tonight 0/10.

you can't answer a question so you just accuse me of changing my position? that is weak, even for you.

as to your comments on teachers and unions, too bad you are too simple minded to understand the difference. Here, I will try to help you: to the left, corporations are usually evil, but many people who work in them are often down trodden, under-appreciated and underpaid.

Its ok, I didn't really expect you to answer my questions. i'm just pondering a few things is all.


you okay?
you sound tired?
do you need some mental health care treatment?

I answered your first question (should we have better healthcare? yes)
I then asked you a question which you didn't answer and rather tried a lame deflection.
 
2012-12-16 10:18:21 PM

serial_crusher: tenpoundsofcheese: by the way, I don't know about the CT shooter, but the Viriginia shooter was covered by health care through the school which included mental health and suicide counciling.


I suppose you could argue that Cho's problems stemmed from not having proper treatment through most of his life, and that suddenly having it for the 2 years he spent in college wasn't enough to change anything?



yes, you could argue that, but did he not have proper treatment because lack of coverage (0bamacare to the rescue) or because his parents didn't try to have him get help?
 
2012-12-16 10:44:10 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: serial_crusher: tenpoundsofcheese: by the way, I don't know about the CT shooter, but the Viriginia shooter was covered by health care through the school which included mental health and suicide counciling.


I suppose you could argue that Cho's problems stemmed from not having proper treatment through most of his life, and that suddenly having it for the 2 years he spent in college wasn't enough to change anything?

yes, you could argue that, but did he not have proper treatment because lack of coverage (0bamacare to the rescue) or because his parents didn't try to have him get help?


The latter, but as my anecdote indicates, it doesn't matter whether his parents tried to have him get help. The second he turned 18, the law gave him the right to make that decision regardless of what his parents had to say about the matter. You know, crazy people are clearly the most qualified to make decisions about their own mental health care....

But yeah, Obamacare wouldn't help at all. It just increases access to health care, but doesn't do anything to force people to take advantage of it. Having the government medicate or commit unstable people preemptively is going to ruffle a lot of feathers, but it might very well be the best solution.
 
2012-12-16 10:57:19 PM
What a wacko, but sorry Farkers, someone is law abiding until they aren't.
 
2012-12-16 10:59:08 PM
I've been putting my money into interest bearing ammunition accounts for years. Hell, I'd say I'd have about 100k socked away for retirement by now.

Mostly it's for my kids, though. I only need to withdraw two for retirement. (One if my wife passes before I retire.)
 
2012-12-16 10:59:55 PM

twiztedjustin: What a wacko, but sorry Farkers, someone is law abiding until they aren't.


Hence the reason to put sensible restrictions on gun ownership. Because anyone is a potential nut job just waiting to go off.
 
2012-12-16 11:00:03 PM
RELIGION OF PEACE
 
2012-12-16 11:00:17 PM

Weaver95: Gulper Eel: Weaver95: i'm curious - do you think maybe we should upgrade the mental health care system in this country? maybe find a way to make sure people get the help they need BEFORE they go on a shooting rampage...?

You might want to bring that up with the Connecticut state legislature. They are one of six states without an assisted outpatient treatment law.

We don't know enough of the shooter's backstory yet to know if the law would've applied to him, but still...this wasn't a question of resources (mom was getting some major coin in the divorce settlement) or upgrading the system. You can have all the resources in the world but if the law's not there to allow commitment, you the parent are SOL.

oh I know...its just that I'm hearing a LOT of GOP types suddenly changing their opinions on Obamacare over this latest mass shooting.


Obamacare or better mental health care? I'd say it's the latter.
 
2012-12-16 11:02:10 PM
It's just so refreshing to hear people who just a few days ago would never consider spending more taxpayer money on mental health suddenly be so supportive. And I'm sure they won't complain if their taxes have to go up a bit to do it.
 
2012-12-16 11:02:48 PM
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of ... Kindergarteners.

You evil, evil people.
 
2012-12-16 11:02:52 PM
$100,000 in ammo could just be one bullet from Hitler's personal gun.
 
2012-12-16 11:03:25 PM
All I want to know is:
was he trying to quit smoking or on an anti-depressant?
 
2012-12-16 11:04:38 PM
i18.photobucket.com

Looks like Waingro from Heat.
 
2012-12-16 11:05:03 PM

serial_crusher: But yeah, Obamacare wouldn't help at all. It just increases access to health care, but doesn't do anything to force people to take advantage of it. Having the government medicate or commit unstable people preemptively is going to ruffle a lot of feathers, but it might very well be the best solution.


yup...
 
2012-12-16 11:05:45 PM
Cmon. All you alarmists stand down.

It's pretty clear that this guy is just another True Patriot, standing ready to defend the republic from invasion.
 
2012-12-16 11:06:00 PM
DAMMIT!

I clicked on a Blaze link.
 
2012-12-16 11:08:11 PM
Freedom to bear arms. Still OK but...
Freedom to use them. Denied
Freedom of speech. Denied.

Allahu Ackbar, Obama America!


/amidoinitrite?
//GodHatesSchools.com
 
2012-12-16 11:08:23 PM
It always seems that the people with the most guns are the folks who you would least trust to use them in trustworthy manner.

It works the same with pit bull owners too.

In both cases, the owners apparently see their possessions as being a replacement for a functioning penis,
 
2012-12-16 11:08:30 PM
Jesus, that is one wealthy homicidal maniac. I don't even have $10,000 worth of anything.
 
2012-12-16 11:08:40 PM
i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-16 11:08:55 PM

NarrMaster: All I want to know is:
was he trying to quit smoking or on an anti-depressant?


on an SRI or SSRI
 
2012-12-16 11:10:21 PM

TDBoedy: NarrMaster: All I want to know is:
was he trying to quit smoking or on an anti-depressant?

on an SRI or SSRI


I'm actually gonna guess no, otherwise we wouldn't be reading about him getting caught, we'd be reading about another massacre.
 
2012-12-16 11:10:33 PM
Ah, I see the propaganda is conspicuously building. Alleged means absolutely squat. The guy actually did nothing and there's no evidence even circumstantial in the article. This is all part of a gun grab, or junior media whores trying to make a buck.
 
2012-12-16 11:10:50 PM

snuff3r: [newspaper.li image 470x313]

Sneaky farking russians.

/boris!



Ha! I also thought he looked like Rade Serbedzija. (And yes I cheated....looked him up on IMDB.)

/"Miami Wice is number one new show!"
 
2012-12-16 11:10:58 PM
Also, I'll wager it isn't 47 guns + $100,000 worth of ammo.

Dollars to donuts it's a botch reporting job and it's actually (Value of 47 guns + Value of ammo) > $100,000.
 
2012-12-16 11:11:01 PM
Finally, someone gets arrested.
 
2012-12-16 11:11:02 PM
i am beginning to think that the problem with America is blanket gifting of privileges and citizenship (not of rights).
But that opens up a whole other can of worms.
/Would you like to know more?
 
2012-12-16 11:12:03 PM

richard_1963: It always seems that the people with the most guns are the folks who you would least trust to use them in trustworthy manner.


guess how I know that you have never met someone with a large collection of guns. They're quite honestly the most stable people you can meet.
 
2012-12-16 11:12:13 PM

HotWingAgenda: Jesus, that is one wealthy homicidal maniac. I don't even have $10,000 worth of anything.



The only thing I own that is worth over $100,000 is my condo.

/Hard to kill somebody with that.
 
2012-12-16 11:12:29 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: fta: he allegedly threatened to set his wife on fire

oh great, now we are going to have matches control.


I called for a ban on matches yesterday.
 
2012-12-16 11:12:29 PM

iq_in_binary: AND the NRA


I left them this year because of their support for Romney, who had a more anti-gun record than Obama. The are just a right wing group and arm of the GOP masquerading as gun rights advocates. Been looking into joining a more legitimate gun rights group.
 
2012-12-16 11:12:37 PM
60-year-old Von I. Meyer early Friday after he allegedly threatened to set his wife on fire.

I'm sure it was just a one-time thing and he's never acted like that before.
 
2012-12-16 11:13:30 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Ah, I see the propaganda is conspicuously building. Alleged means absolutely squat. The guy actually did nothing and there's no evidence even circumstantial in the article. This is all part of a gun grab, or junior media whores trying to make a buck.


Yes, because it has to be some massive conspiracy by the media or the government. It couldn't either a) Be an unhinged person, or B) something more mundane, like a wife fabricating the story to get him in trouble. No. it CLEARLY has to be A NEFARIOUS CONSPIRACY.

/Get help.
 
2012-12-16 11:13:45 PM

Popcorn Johnny: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x353]


What tyrants have their been in America since our inception, please do tell. Moron.
 
2012-12-16 11:14:16 PM

fusillade762: Did they put something in the water or what?


and from this day forward he's livin' on the public's dime and since he wasn't getting laid anyway, it's an investment to be arrested and put away for life: 3 hots and a cot, free hot water to shower in, roof over his head, etc
 
2012-12-16 11:14:36 PM

HotWingAgenda: Jesus, that is one wealthy homicidal maniac. I don't even have $10,000 worth of anything.


The meth game is pretty lucrative.
 
2012-12-16 11:15:09 PM
Time Wave Zero - Mass shootings will probably now start hour after hour, then minute after minute for the next four days now, all over the planet, as the whole world crumbles into insanity faster and faster.
By December 21st the last human beings will have killed themselves and each other. On December 22nd, the planet is quiet of any further human noise.
 
2012-12-16 11:15:57 PM

The_Sponge: HotWingAgenda: Jesus, that is one wealthy homicidal maniac. I don't even have $10,000 worth of anything.


The only thing I own that is worth over $100,000 is my condo.

/Hard to kill somebody with that.


You could take a run at the Wicked Witch of the West.
 
2012-12-16 11:16:32 PM

Felgraf: Yes, because it has to be some massive conspiracy by the media or the government. It couldn't either a) Be an unhinged person, or B) something more mundane, like a wife fabricating the story to get him in trouble. No. it CLEARLY has to be A NEFARIOUS CONSPIRACY.


it could be someone who was tired of living the bullsh*t charade going on and decided to make some idle threats and get put away on vacation the rest of his life, on someone else's dime.
 
2012-12-16 11:17:29 PM

HotWingAgenda: The_Sponge: HotWingAgenda: Jesus, that is one wealthy homicidal maniac. I don't even have $10,000 worth of anything.


The only thing I own that is worth over $100,000 is my condo.

/Hard to kill somebody with that.

You could take a run at the Wicked Witch of the West.



Lulz.
 
2012-12-16 11:17:46 PM

HotWingAgenda: Jesus, that is one wealthy homicidal maniac. I don't even have $10,000 worth of anything.


Cop math.
 
2012-12-16 11:17:52 PM

TheJoe03: What tyrants have their been in America since our inception, please do tell. Moron.


How tall are you?
 
2012-12-16 11:18:42 PM

Popcorn Johnny: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x353]


Over in your left column, I would put one name: King George III

Yes, for you pedants, that was before the Constitution, the BoR and the 2nd Amendment. But that is why we have the 2nd Amendment.
 
2012-12-16 11:18:47 PM

urban.derelict: it could be someone who was tired of living the bullsh*t charade going on and decided to make some idle threats and get put away on vacation the rest of his life, on someone else's dime.


Also possible, I suppose.
 
2012-12-16 11:19:00 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Ah, I see the propaganda is conspicuously building. Alleged means absolutely squat. The guy actually did nothing and there's no evidence even circumstantial in the article. This is all part of a gun grab, or junior media whores trying to make a buck.


You're right, threatening to kill as many people as you can shouldn't be a crime. It's free speech after all. So what if he's hoarding / collecting guns. He's probably the minister at his church.
 
2012-12-16 11:19:45 PM
Sounds like his wife found the perfect way to get rid of her old man.

"He said he was gonna turn those kiddies into kabobs. I swear, officer!"
 
2012-12-16 11:19:47 PM

Pardon Me Sultan: Also, I'll wager it isn't 47 guns + $100,000 worth of ammo.

Dollars to donuts it's a botch reporting job and it's actually (Value of 47 guns + Value of ammo) > $100,000.


t3.gstatic.com 

Approves of expensive bullets.
 
2012-12-16 11:20:16 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Popcorn Johnny: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x353]

Over in your left column, I would put one name: King George III

Yes, for you pedants, that was before the Constitution, the BoR and the 2nd Amendment. But that is why we have the 2nd Amendment.


That's why we have the Marine Corps and our State Department.
 
2012-12-16 11:20:58 PM

richard_1963: It always seems that the people with the most guns are the folks who you would least trust to use them in trustworthy manner.

It works the same with pit bull owners too.

In both cases, the owners apparently see their possessions as being a replacement for a functioning penis,


Points for using 'functioning' as opposed to the proverbial 'small'.

Still a silly theory, though.
 
2012-12-16 11:23:44 PM
5 guns, 10 guns, 100 guns; you can only shoot 1 at a time
 
2012-12-16 11:25:09 PM

Popcorn Johnny: How tall are you?


5'11
 
2012-12-16 11:25:11 PM

The_Sponge: HotWingAgenda: Jesus, that is one wealthy homicidal maniac. I don't even have $10,000 worth of anything.


The only thing I own that is worth over $100,000 is my condo.

/Hard to kill somebody with that.


Yes, we get it. You're very proud of yourself and you're doing very well. We are all very happy you paid over 100K for a condo. You have hereby been recognized and your own self-worth is affirmed.

Do you have anything which may actually contribute to the conversation, or would you like to tell us how much your car is worth too?
 
2012-12-16 11:25:12 PM
He kind of looks like Willie Nelson's crazy cousin.
 
2012-12-16 11:25:32 PM

namatad: 1) $100,000 in ammo? REALLY? REALLY?


$100,000 in guns and ammo. It wouldn't be that hard to get that in guns.
 
2012-12-16 11:25:42 PM
Gulper Eel

We don't know enough of the shooter's backstory yet to know if the law would've applied to him, but still...this wasn't a question of resources (mom was getting some major coin in the divorce settlement) or upgrading the system. You can have all the resources in the world but if the law's not there to allow commitment, you the parent are SOL.

You know what she could have done?

NOT HAD farkING GUNS IN THE HOUSE WHERE CRAZY BOY COULD GET TO THEM.

He must have been showing a few signs of being crazy, why didn't she lock the guns up?
 
2012-12-16 11:25:57 PM

sethen320: The_Sponge: HotWingAgenda: Jesus, that is one wealthy homicidal maniac. I don't even have $10,000 worth of anything.


The only thing I own that is worth over $100,000 is my condo.

/Hard to kill somebody with that.

Yes, we get it. You're very proud of yourself and you're doing very well. We are all very happy you paid over 100K for a condo. You have hereby been recognized and your own self-worth is affirmed.

Do you have anything which may actually contribute to the conversation, or would you like to tell us how much your car is worth too?



Wow.....what crawled up your ass?
 
2012-12-16 11:25:59 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: fta: he allegedly threatened to set his wife on fire

oh great, now we are going to have matches control.


There's a difference: matches can be used for multiple purposes. Guns only exist to kill.

Well, people used to use them for other things, but we have can openers and the like now.
 
2012-12-16 11:27:06 PM

Gdalescrboz: 5 guns, 10 guns, 100 guns; you can only shoot 1 at a time


Not if you're shooting handguns. You can do two at a time.
 
2012-12-16 11:27:06 PM

sethen320: Yes, we get it. You're very proud of yourself and you're doing very well. We are all very happy you paid over 100K for a condo. You have hereby been recognized and your own self-worth is affirmed.


You act like he bragged about having a mansion.
 
2012-12-16 11:28:35 PM
Is it just me, or is there a complete absence of discussion about the availability of mental health care following this shooting?

Maybe it's just me.
 
2012-12-16 11:30:43 PM

The_Sponge: sethen320: The_Sponge: HotWingAgenda: Jesus, that is one wealthy homicidal maniac. I don't even have $10,000 worth of anything.


The only thing I own that is worth over $100,000 is my condo.

/Hard to kill somebody with that.

Yes, we get it. You're very proud of yourself and you're doing very well. We are all very happy you paid over 100K for a condo. You have hereby been recognized and your own self-worth is affirmed.

Do you have anything which may actually contribute to the conversation, or would you like to tell us how much your car is worth too?


Wow.....what crawled up your ass?


Nothing, it's a peeve of mine I guess. In normal conversation it's generally considered rude. The person you answered mentioned a value of 10K and you upped the ante and decided to let us know you spent 10 times that. Not relevant, and it sounds like bragging. If you had used the original 10K as a point, at least then it would have had relevance. Maybe I'm just being a dick, sorry if you're offended. I'll shut up about it now.
 
2012-12-16 11:30:52 PM
I bet his manifesto is great.
 
2012-12-16 11:31:13 PM
Jae0o0
"Gdalescrboz: 5 guns, 10 guns, 100 guns; you can only shoot 1 at a time

Not if you're shooting handguns. You can do two at a time."

Someone's been watching to many Jason Stathom movies
 
2012-12-16 11:31:53 PM
Wait, I've got it.

Indiana man, with 47 guns and ammunition, worth over $100,000, arrested after threatening to "kill as many people as he could" at local elementary school


The dude is worth 100k not the ammo.
 
2012-12-16 11:32:23 PM

Apos: The resemblance to Willie Nelson is quite unfortunate.


I don't know if I'm comin' or goin'; if it's them or me.
All I know is Willie Nelson only smoke killer weed.
 
2012-12-16 11:32:25 PM
STUPID CRAZY MOTHERFARKING FARKTARD BASTARDS!

The problem clearly is NOT the guns...its the crazy sumbiatches with mental disorders GETTING them that's the problem.

I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.

STOP letting all the motherfarkers that are sick in the farking head get a gun!

/firearm owner who is SICK and TIRED of batshiat crazy people getting guns and making everyone who owns a gun suspect.
//also, tired of them giving ammunition (pun intended) to the anti-gun crowd. Its NOT the guns...its the crazy person holding it.

If a drunk gets behind the wheel of a car and kills a busload of people, do you blame the CAR? No...you blame the arsehole drunk. Same with guns. Blame the person, not the tool.
 
2012-12-16 11:32:43 PM

sethen320: Nothing, it's a peeve of mine I guess. In normal conversation it's generally considered rude. The person you answered mentioned a value of 10K and you upped the ante and decided to let us know you spent 10 times that. Not relevant, and it sounds like bragging. If you had used the original 10K as a point, at least then it would have had relevance. Maybe I'm just being a dick, sorry if you're offended. I'll shut up about it now.



Ah.

I only brought in the $100K number because that was the dollar value mentioned in the headline....just referencing that.

/Water under the bridge.
 
2012-12-16 11:33:19 PM

Rich Cream: Wait, I've got it.

Indiana man, with 47 guns and ammunition, worth over $100,000, arrested after threatening to "kill as many people as he could" at local elementary school

The dude is worth 100k not the ammo.


I'm worth a million in prizes.
 
2012-12-16 11:33:26 PM
www.theblaze.com

Am I the only one whose first thought was: "his facial hair is yellow under his nostrils"?

Just me? 'Kay.


/does 0bamacare cover Kleenex?
 
2012-12-16 11:34:21 PM

The_Sponge: sethen320: Nothing, it's a peeve of mine I guess. In normal conversation it's generally considered rude. The person you answered mentioned a value of 10K and you upped the ante and decided to let us know you spent 10 times that. Not relevant, and it sounds like bragging. If you had used the original 10K as a point, at least then it would have had relevance. Maybe I'm just being a dick, sorry if you're offended. I'll shut up about it now.


Ah.

I only brought in the $100K number because that was the dollar value mentioned in the headline....just referencing that.

/Water under the bridge.


Ok, I get the misunderstanding. Sorry about that. I owe you a beer.
 
2012-12-16 11:35:00 PM

gerbilpox: [www.theblaze.com image 528x333]

Am I the only one whose first thought was: "his facial hair is yellow under his nostrils"?

Just me? 'Kay.


/does 0bamacare cover Kleenex?



I noticed it too...and it's probably from smoking.
 
2012-12-16 11:35:19 PM

Gdalescrboz: Jae0o0
"Gdalescrboz: 5 guns, 10 guns, 100 guns; you can only shoot 1 at a time

Not if you're shooting handguns. You can do two at a time."

Someone's been watching to many Jason Stathom movies


If you can't shoot two .22s at once, you're probably a child or sickly.I've never shot a .22 that had any kick to it. I wouldn't try it with larger calibers though.
 
2012-12-16 11:35:19 PM

doglover: Apos: The resemblance to Willie Nelson is quite unfortunate.

I don't know if I'm comin' or goin'; if it's them or me.
All I know is Willie Nelson only smoke killer weed.



.....which is precisely why I wish this POS wasn't Willie's doppelgänger.
 
2012-12-16 11:35:25 PM

generallyso: HotWingAgenda: Jesus, that is one wealthy homicidal maniac. I don't even have $10,000 worth of anything.

Cop math.


Not necessarily. He could have accumulated that much ammo over a long period of time. For example, if he was buying a few boxes of ammo every month for 10 or so years.
 
2012-12-16 11:35:26 PM

The_Sponge: sethen320: The_Sponge: HotWingAgenda: Jesus, that is one wealthy homicidal maniac. I don't even have $10,000 worth of anything.


The only thing I own that is worth over $100,000 is my condo.

/Hard to kill somebody with that.

Yes, we get it. You're very proud of yourself and you're doing very well. We are all very happy you paid over 100K for a condo. You have hereby been recognized and your own self-worth is affirmed.

Do you have anything which may actually contribute to the conversation, or would you like to tell us how much your car is worth too?


Wow.....what crawled up your ass?


His mother was killed by a lunatic with a cheap condo, you insesitive jerk!
 
2012-12-16 11:36:06 PM
Man, that last LoG tour took it's toll on John Campbell.
www.theblaze.com
 
2012-12-16 11:37:15 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: STUPID CRAZY MOTHERFARKING FARKTARD BASTARDS!

The problem clearly is NOT the guns...its the crazy sumbiatches with mental disorders GETTING them that's the problem.

I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.

STOP letting all the motherfarkers that are sick in the farking head get a gun!

/firearm owner who is SICK and TIRED of batshiat crazy people getting guns and making everyone who owns a gun suspect.
//also, tired of them giving ammunition (pun intended) to the anti-gun crowd. Its NOT the guns...its the crazy person holding it.

If a drunk gets behind the wheel of a car and kills a busload of people, do you blame the CAR? No...you blame the arsehole drunk. Same with guns. Blame the person, not the tool.


Oh, okay! How are you going to do that? Require a mental health screening for every firearm purcahsed? Mental health screenings every X years for firearm owners? Something else? Somehow I think people who go "NO NO NEW GUN REEGGSSS" would balk at *that*, too.

/Not sure why you put autism spectrum in airquotes, either.
 
2012-12-16 11:37:26 PM
lh6.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-12-16 11:37:33 PM

TheJoe03: Popcorn Johnny: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x353]

What tyrants have their been in America since our inception, please do tell. Moron.


I find it amusing when those who don't even have a basic grasp on grammar and spelling call others morons.

One clue in distinguishing between trolls and those who really are as stupid as they make themselves sound, I guess.
 
2012-12-16 11:37:41 PM

ambassador_ahab: Mr. Coffee Nerves: at the direct order of the United Nations

What, exactly, is the authority the United Nations has over our country?


According to the right-wing Derposphere, the UN Small Arms Treaty, meant to cut down on illegal arms smuggling, is actually a worldwide ban of all guns in private hands, and by signing this treaty and ratifying it, it will override the US Constitution instantly repealing the Second Amendment and giving the UN control over gun regulations in the US, which means that all gun possession by anybody other than police and military is instantly a felony.

No, I'm not making that up.
 
2012-12-16 11:38:03 PM

sethen320: The_Sponge: sethen320: The_Sponge: HotWingAgenda: Jesus, that is one wealthy homicidal maniac. I don't even have $10,000 worth of anything.


The only thing I own that is worth over $100,000 is my condo.

/Hard to kill somebody with that.

Yes, we get it. You're very proud of yourself and you're doing very well. We are all very happy you paid over 100K for a condo. You have hereby been recognized and your own self-worth is affirmed.

Do you have anything which may actually contribute to the conversation, or would you like to tell us how much your car is worth too?


Wow.....what crawled up your ass?

Nothing, it's a peeve of mine I guess. In normal conversation it's generally considered rude. The person you answered mentioned a value of 10K and you upped the ante and decided to let us know you spent 10 times that. Not relevant, and it sounds like bragging. If you had used the original 10K as a point, at least then it would have had relevance. Maybe I'm just being a dick, sorry if you're offended. I'll shut up about it now.


you sound poor
/your pet peeve sucks
 
2012-12-16 11:38:05 PM

Coco LaFemme: Gee, what was it that Professor Farnsworth so eloquently stated? I don't want to live on this planet anymore? Yeah, I'm about reaching that point myself. I don't believe in doomsday prophesies or religious fanaticism, but I'm beginning to think maybe, just maybe, the Mayans need to be right so that humanity can reset itself and we can try this whole "existing" thing all over again. Because after several billion years of plodding around this rock.........we suck. We suck bad, and some of us don't even seem to care that we suck.


Don't you have any redeeming qualities whatsoever that would make you worth saving?
 
2012-12-16 11:38:45 PM

Gdalescrboz: 5 guns, 10 guns, 100 guns; you can only shoot 1 at a time


Oh yeah?

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-16 11:39:54 PM

sethen320: The_Sponge: HotWingAgenda: Jesus, that is one wealthy homicidal maniac. I don't even have $10,000 worth of anything.


The only thing I own that is worth over $100,000 is my condo.

/Hard to kill somebody with that.

Yes, we get it. You're very proud of yourself and you're doing very well. We are all very happy you paid over 100K for a condo. You have hereby been recognized and your own self-worth is affirmed.

Do you have anything which may actually contribute to the conversation, or would you like to tell us how much your car is worth too?


$100K? That'll buy you a shack in DC. There's no such thing as a condo here for less than that. Seriously. Hardly a "Richie Rich" brag.

You sound poor.
 
2012-12-16 11:41:27 PM

Pardon Me Sultan: I find it amusing when those who don't even have a basic grasp on grammar and spelling call others morons.

One clue in distinguishing between trolls and those who really are as stupid as they make themselves sound, I guess.


So instead of addressing anything you go after my grammar? Good job!
 
2012-12-16 11:42:34 PM

Felgraf: The more you eat the more you fart: STUPID CRAZY MOTHERFARKING FARKTARD BASTARDS!

The problem clearly is NOT the guns...its the crazy sumbiatches with mental disorders GETTING them that's the problem.

I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.

STOP letting all the motherfarkers that are sick in the farking head get a gun!

/firearm owner who is SICK and TIRED of batshiat crazy people getting guns and making everyone who owns a gun suspect.
//also, tired of them giving ammunition (pun intended) to the anti-gun crowd. Its NOT the guns...its the crazy person holding it.

If a drunk gets behind the wheel of a car and kills a busload of people, do you blame the CAR? No...you blame the arsehole drunk. Same with guns. Blame the person, not the tool.

Oh, okay! How are you going to do that? Require a mental health screening for every firearm purcahsed? Mental health screenings every X years for firearm owners? Something else? Somehow I think people who go "NO NO NEW GUN REEGGSSS" would balk at *that*, too.

/Not sure why you put autism spectrum in airquotes, either.


Actually, that is EXACTLY what I'm saying.

Look, I live in a part of the country where if you DONT touch or use a gun at least once a day, it means you are sick or dead. It's as much a part of people's way of life here as any car or cellphone or computer is to others.

Banning guns would mean that people here wouldn't be able to pay the bills or put food on the table anymore.

However, SOMETHING has to be done here....FAR too many people with mental deficiencies are getting their hands on firearms and committing horrendous acts of violence.

I'm saying make it harder for the nutjobs to get guns, but DONT make it more expensive or impossible for responsible gun owners to get them.

I used quotes because that seems to be the excuse for nearly every mass-shooter in recent times, like it farking matters. Like I'm gonna have sympathy on the bastard because he has farking autism.
 
2012-12-16 11:44:01 PM
Well he looks like the sort of fine, upstanding citizen I'd be proud to sell a gun to.
 
2012-12-16 11:44:55 PM
After police arrived at Meyer's home, which was connected to school property through a series of wooded walking paths, they found 47 guns and several rounds of ammunition, altogether worth more than $100,000, police said. Many of the weapons seized were collector's items, police added.

On Saturday police charged Meyer, who police said is a known member of a locally notorious motorcycle gang called the Invaders Motorcycle Gang, with four counts of felony intimidation, one count of misdemeanor domestic battery and two counts of misdemeanor resisting law enforcement.

Meyer is being held without bail at the Lake County, Ind., jail pending his initial hearing.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/indiana-man-arrested-threaten ing-shoot-school-article-1.1221531#ixzz2FHUrnrVz
 
2012-12-16 11:45:23 PM

Jae0o0: Gdalescrboz: 5 guns, 10 guns, 100 guns; you can only shoot 1 at a time

Not if you're shooting handguns. You can do two at a time.


It's difficult to shoot two guns with one hand masturbating.
 
2012-12-16 11:47:52 PM

Silverstaff: According to the right-wing Derposphere, the UN Small Arms Treaty, meant to cut down on illegal arms smuggling, is actually a worldwide ban of all guns in private hands, and by signing this treaty and ratifying it, it will override the US Constitution instantly repealing the Second Amendment and giving the UN control over gun regulations in the US, which means that all gun possession by anybody other than police and military is instantly a felony.

No, I'm not making that up.


Thankfully, it wouldn't be the first treaty we signed that we don't follow. Of course, you won't hear that from the fear mongers.
 
2012-12-16 11:48:09 PM

max_pooper: Jae0o0: Gdalescrboz: 5 guns, 10 guns, 100 guns; you can only shoot 1 at a time

Not if you're shooting handguns. You can do two at a time.

It's difficult to shoot two guns with one hand masturbating.


I dunno... My .22s are pretty small and I've got giant man sized hands, bet i could do it.
 
2012-12-16 11:48:31 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: I'm saying make it harder for the nutjobs to get guns, but DONT make it more expensive or impossible for responsible gun owners to get them.

I used quotes because that seems to be the excuse for nearly every mass-shooter in recent times, like it farking matters. Like I'm gonna have sympathy on the bastard because he has farking autism.


Okay, but here's my take on it: any attempted check *will*, at the very least, make things more inconvenient for gun owners, because the state/gunshop/etc *can't know* if you're nuts or not without checking somehow (Like, say, asking for proof you've seen a shrink.) And unless the state is paying for these mental health checks (which would cost a looottaaaa money, and necessitate either higher taxes, or a fee along with the gun to cover it), then it'll have to be done on the gun owner's dime... which will, again, make it more expensive for them.

I suppose the problem is that I don't see, among other things, a solution that *doesn't* get the NRA pitching a screaming hissyfit, which will make it much harder to get anything done, I think.

(this is, again, all just my opinion)

And fair enough, the use of airquotes more made me think you were implying that Autism/the autism spectrum wasn't real, which... confused me.

For what it's worth, I suspect the Autism statements are more to try and piece together what happened/why they did what they did, than a reason to feel sympathy for them.
 
2012-12-16 11:51:00 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: guess how I know that you have never met someone with a large collection of guns. They're quite honestly the most stable people you can meet.


How about their children? Not so much, I expect
Adam Lanza looks so stable, doesn't he...
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2012-12-16 11:51:28 PM

AbbeySomeone: namatad: 1) $100,000 in ammo? REALLY? REALLY?
2) could we have a national "WACK JOBS come out of the closest" day?

One day a year, all the crazies come out and talk about the nutty shiat they plan on doing. The cops can round them up and lock them up.
And no, I am not talking about the GOP convention. That is every 4 years.

Cop math.
See also drug seizure threads.


OK, Cop Math.

So, let's divide by two and decrease by an order of magnitude. $100,000 / 2 / 10 = just $5,000 worth of ammo.

Depending on the rounds, at ~$300/thousand rounds that's still around 16,000 rounds. 16 1,000-round cases of ammo, almost 500 lbs of bullets.
 
2012-12-16 11:52:22 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: fta: he allegedly threatened to set his wife on fire

oh great, now we are going to have matches control.


I only support a ban on sem-automatic assault matches.
 
2012-12-16 11:52:32 PM
That's it! Enough is enough! We need idle threat control! I've had enough of people threatening to do things as a cry for help! Maybe a tax stamp system that limits how grandiose a threat people could make and that funds mental health clinics for threatening type people. Stop the madness!
 
2012-12-16 11:53:00 PM

BuckTurgidson: AbbeySomeone: namatad: 1) $100,000 in ammo? REALLY? REALLY?
2) could we have a national "WACK JOBS come out of the closest" day?

One day a year, all the crazies come out and talk about the nutty shiat they plan on doing. The cops can round them up and lock them up.
And no, I am not talking about the GOP convention. That is every 4 years.

Cop math.
See also drug seizure threads.

OK, Cop Math.

So, let's divide by two and decrease by an order of magnitude. $100,000 / 2 / 10 = just $5,000 worth of ammo.

Depending on the rounds, at ~$300/thousand rounds that's still around 16,000 rounds. 16 1,000-round cases of ammo, almost 500 lbs of bullets.


He got Monster brand bullets.
 
2012-12-16 11:53:11 PM

sethen320: The_Sponge: HotWingAgenda: Jesus, that is one wealthy homicidal maniac. I don't even have $10,000 worth of anything.


The only thing I own that is worth over $100,000 is my condo.

/Hard to kill somebody with that.

Yes, we get it. You're very proud of yourself and you're doing very well. We are all very happy you paid over 100K for a condo. You have hereby been recognized and your own self-worth is affirmed.

Do you have anything which may actually contribute to the conversation, or would you like to tell us how much your car is worth too?


look at sponge's profile where he lists his favorite liquors, beers, and cigars. there are like 15 of each, so funny, lol.
 
2012-12-16 11:53:18 PM
I hope people remember (or at lease CARE enough about) part of my last statement to not automatically jump to a knee-jerk reaction.

YES, there are still people in this country that choose to live a very simple lifestyle. They hunt for food, they trap/hunt to make money to pay their bills, etc.

It is our heritage, and that is not hyperbole. There are still people here that do not have electricity because they live a more "traditional" way of life.

Banning guns would mean the absolute destruction of an entire culture and way of life. These people are not so-called gun nuts. They are people who live off the land, and REQUIRE a firearm to provide a living. Their very way of life, and the culture of an entire people depends upon it.

We don't HAVE "collector's items". If it's a gun, it needs to WORK. For example, I have an 1895 Winchester in 25/35 Win caliber. It was actually made in 1895. That gun LITERALLY fed a family of 6 kids. If a deer or wild hog wasn't shot with it, then people went without FOOD. It's not a collector's item...it still shoots. A collector's item belongs in a museum. My 1895 Winchester Trapper model is a piece of culture...not art.
 
2012-12-16 11:53:45 PM

MeanJean: Gulper Eel

We don't know enough of the shooter's backstory yet to know if the law would've applied to him, but still...this wasn't a question of resources (mom was getting some major coin in the divorce settlement) or upgrading the system. You can have all the resources in the world but if the law's not there to allow commitment, you the parent are SOL.

You know what she could have done?

NOT HAD farkING GUNS IN THE HOUSE WHERE CRAZY BOY COULD GET TO THEM.

He must have been showing a few signs of being crazy, why didn't she lock the guns up?


Since we don't know what happened at their house, speculation is pointless. But I will anyway. Maybe they were in a safe but she gave him the combination under extreme duress. Maybe they were in a wooden gun cabinet that was locked but he just smashed the hell out of it to get at the guns.

Just seems to be jumping the gun to blame Mom for what this douchefark did.
 
2012-12-16 11:53:52 PM
Funny...

If I collect $100,000 worth of Pokemon merchandise, I'm "obsessed".
If I collect $100,000 worth of newspapers, I'm a "hoarder".
If I collect $100,000 worth of guns, I'm a "model citizen exercising his 2nd amendment rights".
 
2012-12-16 11:54:20 PM
There's something in gun oil. Maybe it didn't used to be there. But it's turning people nuts.
 
2012-12-16 11:54:33 PM

TheJoe03: Pardon Me Sultan: I find it amusing when those who don't even have a basic grasp on grammar and spelling call others morons.

One clue in distinguishing between trolls and those who really are as stupid as they make themselves sound, I guess.

So instead of addressing anything you go after my grammar? Good job!


In fairness, I think that more folks than just myself have you Farkied as "not the brightest soul"--or words to similar effect--on the basis of your previous posts. There is a point where you have to point and laugh at the sucker flailing about with mad abandon in his own flop sweat...
 
2012-12-16 11:54:34 PM

mr lawson: sethen320: The_Sponge: sethen320: The_Sponge: HotWingAgenda: Jesus, that is one wealthy homicidal maniac. I don't even have $10,000 worth of anything.


The only thing I own that is worth over $100,000 is my condo.

/Hard to kill somebody with that.

Yes, we get it. You're very proud of yourself and you're doing very well. We are all very happy you paid over 100K for a condo. You have hereby been recognized and your own self-worth is affirmed.

Do you have anything which may actually contribute to the conversation, or would you like to tell us how much your car is worth too?


Wow.....what crawled up your ass?

Nothing, it's a peeve of mine I guess. In normal conversation it's generally considered rude. The person you answered mentioned a value of 10K and you upped the ante and decided to let us know you spent 10 times that. Not relevant, and it sounds like bragging. If you had used the original 10K as a point, at least then it would have had relevance. Maybe I'm just being a dick, sorry if you're offended. I'll shut up about it now.

you sound poor
/your pet peeve sucks


I agree with mr lawson. you sounded like a huge douche by bragging that you paid for a 100k condo. it added zero the the conversation and was not funny or meaningful in any way.
 
2012-12-16 11:54:55 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: STUPID CRAZY MOTHERFARKING FARKTARD BASTARDS!

The problem clearly is NOT the guns...its the crazy sumbiatches with mental disorders GETTING them that's the problem.

I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.

STOP letting all the motherfarkers that are sick in the farking head get a gun!

/firearm owner who is SICK and TIRED of batshiat crazy people getting guns and making everyone who owns a gun suspect.
//also, tired of them giving ammunition (pun intended) to the anti-gun crowd. Its NOT the guns...its the crazy person holding it.

If a drunk gets behind the wheel of a car and kills a busload of people, do you blame the CAR? No...you blame the arsehole drunk. Same with guns. Blame the person, not the tool.


I couldn't have demonstrated the generalization of and stigma against mental illness (which, counterproductively, leads to people being reluctant to seek diagnosis/treatment) any better if I'd tried. So thanks for that, I guess.
 
2012-12-16 11:55:01 PM

NarrMaster: If I collect $100,000 worth of guns, I'm a "model citizen exercising his 2nd amendment rights".


No, you're an unstable gun nut.
 
2012-12-16 11:55:17 PM
Douchebags like this who hoard ammo and therefore make it more expensive for me to go to the range are douchebags.
 
2012-12-16 11:55:34 PM

mr lawson: sethen320: The_Sponge: sethen320: The_Sponge: HotWingAgenda: Jesus, that is one wealthy homicidal maniac. I don't even have $10,000 worth of anything.


The only thing I own that is worth over $100,000 is my condo.

/Hard to kill somebody with that.

Yes, we get it. You're very proud of yourself and you're doing very well. We are all very happy you paid over 100K for a condo. You have hereby been recognized and your own self-worth is affirmed.

Do you have anything which may actually contribute to the conversation, or would you like to tell us how much your car is worth too?


Wow.....what crawled up your ass?

Nothing, it's a peeve of mine I guess. In normal conversation it's generally considered rude. The person you answered mentioned a value of 10K and you upped the ante and decided to let us know you spent 10 times that. Not relevant, and it sounds like bragging. If you had used the original 10K as a point, at least then it would have had relevance. Maybe I'm just being a dick, sorry if you're offended. I'll shut up about it now.

you sound poor
/your pet peeve sucks


oops, I mean I agree with sethen.
 
2012-12-16 11:56:26 PM
I'm wondering WHEN did he make these threats? I'm guessing he made these threats weeks or months ago and it took a national incident to make the locals respond to something sitting in the "whack job" pile.
 
2012-12-16 11:56:50 PM
And on a side note, what's with THE random CAPITALIZATION of words that right wing gun hoarders use WHEN they post? I've been seeing a huge increase that last few days. Here and on Facebook...
 
2012-12-16 11:57:00 PM

hubiestubert: In fairness, I think that more folks than just myself have you Farkied as "not the brightest soul"--or words to similar effect--on the basis of your previous posts.


Good for you. Funny that you judge other people's intelligence because they disagree with you. If you want to discuss the topic at hand that would be great, but to say I'm stupid because I make errors over a phone is pretty amusing. I guess it makes you feel better.
 
2012-12-16 11:57:40 PM
I got you farkied as a dumbass too, for what it's worth.
 
2012-12-16 11:58:11 PM

giftedmadness: look at sponge's profile where he lists his favorite liquors, beers, and cigars. there are like 15 of each, so funny, lol.



I love variety.
 
2012-12-16 11:59:10 PM

giftedmadness: I agree with mr lawson. you sounded like a huge douche by bragging that you paid for a 100k condo. it added zero the the conversation and was not funny or meaningful in any way.



You'll get over it....he did.
 
2012-12-16 11:59:19 PM

Felgraf: The more you eat the more you fart: I'm saying make it harder for the nutjobs to get guns, but DONT make it more expensive or impossible for responsible gun owners to get them.

I used quotes because that seems to be the excuse for nearly every mass-shooter in recent times, like it farking matters. Like I'm gonna have sympathy on the bastard because he has farking autism.

Okay, but here's my take on it: any attempted check *will*, at the very least, make things more inconvenient for gun owners, because the state/gunshop/etc *can't know* if you're nuts or not without checking somehow (Like, say, asking for proof you've seen a shrink.) And unless the state is paying for these mental health checks (which would cost a looottaaaa money, and necessitate either higher taxes, or a fee along with the gun to cover it), then it'll have to be done on the gun owner's dime... which will, again, make it more expensive for them.

I suppose the problem is that I don't see, among other things, a solution that *doesn't* get the NRA pitching a screaming hissyfit, which will make it much harder to get anything done, I think.

(this is, again, all just my opinion)

And fair enough, the use of airquotes more made me think you were implying that Autism/the autism spectrum wasn't real, which... confused me.

For what it's worth, I suspect the Autism statements are more to try and piece together what happened/why they did what they did, than a reason to feel sympathy for them.


The people afraid of ANY regulations are just as stupid IMO as the people who want to ban ALL guns, or even just guns deemed to be "assault weapons" based upon innocuous details.

so what if its more inconvenient to have your mental health called into question when you try to buy a firearm?! What's worse: having your crazy schizophrenic neighbor with Asperger's whine because his nd amendment rights were "infringed" because he's too nuts to buy a gun, or having twenty 6 and 7 year-old slaughtered like animals by the same nutjob?

Which one is more likely to make gun owners have to be afraid of guns being banned? see my point?

Gun owners as a whole need to get a clue, and so do those that think banning all guns or limiting the kinds of guns that can be bought will somehow prevent mass shootings.
 
2012-12-16 11:59:26 PM

NarrMaster: And on a side note, what's with THE random CAPITALIZATION of words that right wing gun hoarders use WHEN they post? I've been seeing a huge increase that last few days. Here and on Facebook...


Holy THIS.
 
2012-12-16 11:59:59 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: Banning guns would mean the absolute destruction of an entire culture and way of life. These people are not so-called gun nuts. They are people who live off the land, and REQUIRE a firearm to provide a living. Their very way of life, and the culture of an entire people depends upon it.


not to mention hunting feeds a HELL of a lot of people who otherwise would go hungry
 
2012-12-17 12:01:15 AM

Kurmudgeon: BraveNewCheneyWorld: guess how I know that you have never met someone with a large collection of guns. They're quite honestly the most stable people you can meet.

How about their children? Not so much, I expect
Adam Lanza looks so stable, doesn't he...
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He looks like Andy Dick's little brother.
 
2012-12-17 12:01:17 AM
It's nice to put a face on the 2A crowd. Just as I thought.
 
2012-12-17 12:01:25 AM

The_Sponge: giftedmadness: I agree with mr lawson. you sounded like a huge douche by bragging that you paid for a 100k condo. it added zero the the conversation and was not funny or meaningful in any way.


You'll get over it....he did.


I have nothing to "get over". I wasn't offended by it.
 
2012-12-17 12:02:19 AM

apoptotic: The more you eat the more you fart: STUPID CRAZY MOTHERFARKING FARKTARD BASTARDS!

The problem clearly is NOT the guns...its the crazy sumbiatches with mental disorders GETTING them that's the problem.

I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.

STOP letting all the motherfarkers that are sick in the farking head get a gun!

/firearm owner who is SICK and TIRED of batshiat crazy people getting guns and making everyone who owns a gun suspect.
//also, tired of them giving ammunition (pun intended) to the anti-gun crowd. Its NOT the guns...its the crazy person holding it.

If a drunk gets behind the wheel of a car and kills a busload of people, do you blame the CAR? No...you blame the arsehole drunk. Same with guns. Blame the person, not the tool.

I couldn't have demonstrated the generalization of and stigma against mental illness (which, counterproductively, leads to people being reluctant to seek diagnosis/treatment) any better if I'd tried. So thanks for that, I guess.


You are making assumptions. I have bipolar disorder, sooo.....what's your point?
 
2012-12-17 12:02:20 AM
This is nothing but a long running Elephants turd
 
2012-12-17 12:02:58 AM

giftedmadness: look at sponge's profile where he lists his favorite liquors, beers, and cigars. there are like 15 of each, so funny, lol.


Get the fark out of the man's profile. You're just looking for reasons to personally attack him.
 
2012-12-17 12:03:05 AM
so the mom was a prepper, but wasn't prepped for her son going crazy?
 
2012-12-17 12:03:53 AM

TheJoe03: hubiestubert: In fairness, I think that more folks than just myself have you Farkied as "not the brightest soul"--or words to similar effect--on the basis of your previous posts.

Good for you. Funny that you judge other people's intelligence because they disagree with you. If you want to discuss the topic at hand that would be great, but to say I'm stupid because I make errors over a phone is pretty amusing. I guess it makes you feel better.


Actually, it's the specious reasoning and thin skin that earned it for you. There are plenty of folks who disagree with me on gun control, who I still wouldn't mind having a beer with. The sanctimoniousness of your posts coupled with their poor quality of logic is what folks tend to point and laugh at. It's not about disagreement or agreement, it's about poor logic and poor argumentation. But, you can keep it up, I mean, that's what Fark feeds on: folks with delusions of competence...
 
2012-12-17 12:04:27 AM

megarian: NarrMaster: And on a side note, what's with THE random CAPITALIZATION of words that right wing gun hoarders use WHEN they post? I've been seeing a huge increase that last few days. Here and on Facebook...

Holy THIS.


Because it's all copypasta from a FEW sources. They're called talking points for a REASON.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-12-17 12:04:43 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: The people afraid of ANY regulations are just as stupid IMO as the people who want to ban ALL guns, or even just guns deemed to be "assault weapons" based upon innocuous details.


This is exactly the attitude that is sticking hot pokers up the ass of American society...
 
2012-12-17 12:04:45 AM

NarrMaster: Funny...

If I collect $100,000 worth of Pokemon merchandise, I'm "obsessed".
If I collect $100,000 worth of newspapers, I'm a "hoarder".
If I collect $100,000 worth of guns, I'm a "model citizen exercising his 2nd amendment rights".


Or you could just be a legitimate collector. I've seen private collections worth far more than that. Not saying that is this guy.
 
2012-12-17 12:04:46 AM
Typical gun-fetishist. Welcome to the NRA's America.

I don't own 47 of anything. Except maybe books.
 
2012-12-17 12:04:50 AM

mr lawson: The more you eat the more you fart: Banning guns would mean the absolute destruction of an entire culture and way of life. These people are not so-called gun nuts. They are people who live off the land, and REQUIRE a firearm to provide a living. Their very way of life, and the culture of an entire people depends upon it.

not to mention hunting feeds a HELL of a lot of people who otherwise would go hungry


I do this. Every single year, I donate two deer to the local Salvation Army shelter. If I am lucky enough to get a few wild hogs, I will donate one or two of those as well.
 
2012-12-17 12:05:27 AM

pacified: so the mom was a prepper, but wasn't prepped for her son going crazy?



--------

Those on the right are usually looking the wrong way.
 
2012-12-17 12:05:55 AM

hubiestubert: Actually, it's the specious reasoning and thin skin that earned it for you. There are plenty of folks who disagree with me on gun control, who I still wouldn't mind having a beer with. The sanctimoniousness of your posts coupled with their poor quality of logic is what folks tend to point and laugh at. It's not about disagreement or agreement, it's about poor logic and poor argumentation. But, you can keep it up, I mean, that's what Fark feeds on: folks with delusions of competence...


Whatever nerd, go suck a fark.
 
2012-12-17 12:06:46 AM

hubiestubert: folks with delusions of competence...


Plus talk about projection, oh boy!
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-12-17 12:07:06 AM

Max Awesome: Typical gun-fetishist. Welcome to the NRA's America.

I don't own 47 of anything. Except maybe books.


All of a sudden I am reminded of the Bill Hicks routine where the hick asks him "Why are you reading" in a restaurant. I am guessing for thim the money for the ammo.. perfectly justified, but the money for books... WHOOO, total waste of cash.
 
2012-12-17 12:08:26 AM
Pics of him wielding 47 guns, please.
 
2012-12-17 12:08:37 AM

NarrMaster: And on a side note, what's with THE random CAPITALIZATION of words that right wing gun hoarders use WHEN they post? I've been seeing a huge increase that last few days. Here and on Facebook...


Because they're batshiat crazy, of course. They incorrectly believe themselves to be superior to others and the capitalization of random words is their way of reminding us of that fact.
 
2012-12-17 12:09:47 AM
The events taking place regarding mass shootings are odd.

Just remember kids, governments have proven to be the worse mass murderers. Don't give up your right to protect yourself using guns.
 
2012-12-17 12:10:02 AM

USP .45: NarrMaster: Funny...

If I collect $100,000 worth of Pokemon merchandise, I'm "obsessed".
If I collect $100,000 worth of newspapers, I'm a "hoarder".
If I collect $100,000 worth of guns, I'm a "model citizen exercising his 2nd amendment rights".

Or you could just be a legitimate collector. I've seen private collections worth far more than that. Not saying that is this guy.


I know, that was a mild attempt at trolling. I like some guns. I'm not obsessed with them. I don't even own any.

Dools: megarian: NarrMaster: And on a side note, what's with THE random CAPITALIZATION of words that right wing gun hoarders use WHEN they post? I've been seeing a huge increase that last few days. Here and on Facebook...

Holy THIS.

Because it's all copypasta from a FEW sources. They're called talking points for a REASON.


I don't think so. I had a real conversation on Facebook, and their part wasn't copypasta....
 
2012-12-17 12:10:31 AM

Max Awesome: Typical gun-fetishist. Welcome to the NRA's America.

I don't own 47 of anything. Except maybe books.


I own five fireams. Five. Does that make me a "gun nut" too?

a 1952 Winchester Model 70 Featherweight in 270Win
a 2009 Winchester model 70 SuperShadow in 270WSM
a Remington 1100-LT 20 shotgun
a Walther P99 Military in 9mm
a Ruger mark III Target model 22 pistol

the ONLY one of these that isnt used for hunting is the Walther pistol. I didnt count the 1895 Winchester because I don't use it for anything at all. It's a family heirloom, so its not exactly a collector's item, and I dont wanna shoot it because I'm afraid to bring it out into the woods because it might get damaged.
 
2012-12-17 12:10:33 AM
These things are only news stories in light of the recent events.
 
2012-12-17 12:11:10 AM

d23: Max Awesome: Typical gun-fetishist. Welcome to the NRA's America.

I don't own 47 of anything. Except maybe books.

All of a sudden I am reminded of the Bill Hicks routine where the hick asks him "Why are you reading" in a restaurant. I am guessing for thim the money for the ammo.. perfectly justified, but the money for books... WHOOO, total waste of cash.


What am I reading for?
So I don't end a Waffle House waitress.
 
2012-12-17 12:12:07 AM

spamdog: giftedmadness: look at sponge's profile where he lists his favorite liquors, beers, and cigars. there are like 15 of each, so funny, lol.

Get the fark out of the man's profile. You're just looking for reasons to personally attack him.


why have profiles then? aren't they there for reading? I'm not attacking him at all. I just think it's funny to have 15 different favorite cigars.
 
2012-12-17 12:15:33 AM
The more you eat the more you fart I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.

STOP letting all the motherfarkers that are sick in the farking head get a gun!

/firearm owner who is SICK and TIRED of batshiat crazy people getting guns and making everyone who owns a gun suspect.
//also, tired of them giving ammunition (pun intended) to the anti-gun crowd. Its NOT the guns...its the crazy person holding it.

You are making assumptions. I have bipolar disorder, sooo.....what's your point?



Uhhh, hey there buddy..... um....

...something about a cunning plan..... and not thinking it through.... or something....
 
2012-12-17 12:15:41 AM
This guy is obviously off balance. At some point, you have enough guns (for the moment!) and treat yourself instead to a good beer, or a fine whiskey, or a great meal. Or a good vacation.
 
2012-12-17 12:15:47 AM

TheJoe03: hubiestubert: Actually, it's the specious reasoning and thin skin that earned it for you. There are plenty of folks who disagree with me on gun control, who I still wouldn't mind having a beer with. The sanctimoniousness of your posts coupled with their poor quality of logic is what folks tend to point and laugh at. It's not about disagreement or agreement, it's about poor logic and poor argumentation. But, you can keep it up, I mean, that's what Fark feeds on: folks with delusions of competence...

Whatever nerd, go suck a fark.


"Whatever nerd, go suck a fark."

Wow.

You're a Rhodes Scholar, right?
 
2012-12-17 12:15:48 AM

iq_in_binary: HERE

There's a proposal. From a gunsmith no less.

Don't let it be said gun owners aren't willing to compromise.


That works for me...

/ again, there are no easy or absolute solutions for this problem
// it's too bad we don't have a frontier or a colony where we could ship nutjobs to...
 
2012-12-17 12:15:57 AM

USP .45: NarrMaster: Funny...

If I collect $100,000 worth of Pokemon merchandise, I'm "obsessed".
If I collect $100,000 worth of newspapers, I'm a "hoarder".
If I collect $100,000 worth of guns, I'm a "model citizen exercising his 2nd amendment rights".

Or you could just be a legitimate collector. I've seen private collections worth far more than that. Not saying that is this guy.


I think the issue is less the number of guns and the stockpiles of ammunition, but the threat, especially so soon after the Connecticut shooting. Having guns shouldn't be the issue--there are a good number of folks who collect arms, who have good sized ranges, who are responsible gun owners, who are responsible citizens. This cat? He's not helping, and noting that an individual had the call made for threatening to set his wife on fire, it isn't so much an abridgment of his 2nd Amendment rights, than police responding to a domestic abuse call, and then getting a load of crazy in their faces to boot.

Not a stable individual. Not because of the number of weapons--heck, I've got few pistols, a couple of shotguns, and a few longarms myself and I rarely head to the range thanks to my job and moving a bit--or even the stockpile of ammo, but the whole threatening to set fire to his wife and then gun down elementary schoolkids because the police responded to a call.

Folks like this give responsible gun owners a bad name. They pretty much give all Americans a bad name, really. It's not being a gun owner or enthusiast that is the issue, but being a raging asshat who likes to threaten folks when he gets in his cups. Not all that uncommon, but given the whole vibe the nation is going through right now, maybe threatening schoolkids in a frothy rage calls into question his grip on anything looking like a sane decision tree...
 
2012-12-17 12:16:00 AM

The_Sponge: HotWingAgenda: Jesus, that is one wealthy homicidal maniac. I don't even have $10,000 worth of anything.


The only thing I own that is worth over $100,000 is my condo.

/Hard to kill somebody with that.


I'll have you know my mother was killed by a condo. I'll never forgive that biatch Dorothy!
 
2012-12-17 12:16:16 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: Gulper Eel: Weaver95: i'm curious - do you think maybe we should upgrade the mental health care system in this country? maybe find a way to make sure people get the help they need BEFORE they go on a shooting rampage...?

You might want to bring that up with the Connecticut state legislature. They are one of six states without an assisted outpatient treatment law.

We don't know enough of the shooter's backstory yet to know if the law would've applied to him, but still...this wasn't a question of resources (mom was getting some major coin in the divorce settlement) or upgrading the system. You can have all the resources in the world but if the law's not there to allow commitment, you the parent are SOL.

oh I know...its just that I'm hearing a LOT of GOP types suddenly changing their opinions on Obamacare over this latest mass shooting.

wut?
How broad of a brush are you using to make that statement?

How would 0bamacare if implemented as written have prevented the shooting?


We'd be shooting fascists and their bootlickers instead of random lunatics murdering children
 
2012-12-17 12:16:29 AM

Coco LaFemme: Wow.

You're a Rhodes Scholar, right?


No, just an asshole, Coco Lacoont.
 
2012-12-17 12:17:03 AM
Jae0o0 SmartestFunniest 2012-12-16 11:35:19 PM


Gdalescrboz: Jae0o0
"Gdalescrboz: 5 guns, 10 guns, 100 guns; you can only shoot 1 at a time

Not if you're shooting handguns. You can do two at a time."

Someone's been watching to many Jason Stathom movies

If you can't shoot two .22s at once, you're probably a child or sickly.I've never shot a .22 that had any kick to it. I wouldn't try it with larger calibers though.


Gotta watch out for those guys dual wielding .22s going on shooting rampages. Or shooting anything for that matter
 
2012-12-17 12:17:30 AM
I had a feeling I would see this.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-17 12:17:31 AM
Dear media:

If someone "threatens" to do something, he wasn't going to do it, because by "threatening" one guarantees attention by the authorities which pretty much ensures one will be unable to follow through with one's threats. Hence, this douchebag had no intention of "killing as many people as he could" and what he really wanted was a lot of attention.

Which you just gave him.

In spades.

Thanks so much for fulfilling this sad little man's dearest wish, which was to become some kind of minor celebrity. Don't you feel special.
 
2012-12-17 12:17:33 AM

giftedmadness: spamdog: giftedmadness: look at sponge's profile where he lists his favorite liquors, beers, and cigars. there are like 15 of each, so funny, lol.

Get the fark out of the man's profile. You're just looking for reasons to personally attack him.

why have profiles then? aren't they there for reading? I'm not attacking him at all. I just think it's funny to have 15 different favorite cigars.



1) Exactly, I don't care who looks at my profile.

2) Yeah, it does seem like overkill. The list kind of became long because various people on TFD were asking for cigar recommendations from time to time, and I would just tell them to check out my profile.
 
2012-12-17 12:17:43 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: Max Awesome: Typical gun-fetishist. Welcome to the NRA's America.

I don't own 47 of anything. Except maybe books.

I own five fireams. Five. Does that make me a "gun nut" too?


It makes you a chip-shouldered goober refusing to acknowledge the difference between "5" and "47".

I own a few firearms myself. Owning double-digits of them for any reason other than trading for a profit would make me a gun fetishist.
 
2012-12-17 12:18:07 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: If a drunk gets behind the wheel of a car and kills a busload of people, do you blame the CAR? No...you blame the arsehole drunk. Same with guns. Blame the person, not the tool.


Well put.
 
2012-12-17 12:18:42 AM

TheJoe03: hubiestubert: Actually, it's the specious reasoning and thin skin that earned it for you. There are plenty of folks who disagree with me on gun control, who I still wouldn't mind having a beer with. The sanctimoniousness of your posts coupled with their poor quality of logic is what folks tend to point and laugh at. It's not about disagreement or agreement, it's about poor logic and poor argumentation. But, you can keep it up, I mean, that's what Fark feeds on: folks with delusions of competence...

Whatever nerd, go suck a fark.


Yeah, I agree, nerd, even by fark's standards. I mean the guy refers to himself in the 3rd person.
 
2012-12-17 12:18:44 AM

TheJoe03: hubiestubert: Actually, it's the specious reasoning and thin skin that earned it for you. There are plenty of folks who disagree with me on gun control, who I still wouldn't mind having a beer with. The sanctimoniousness of your posts coupled with their poor quality of logic is what folks tend to point and laugh at. It's not about disagreement or agreement, it's about poor logic and poor argumentation. But, you can keep it up, I mean, that's what Fark feeds on: folks with delusions of competence...

Whatever nerd, go suck a fark.


I thought briefly about putting this poor sod on Ignore, but damnation if we shouldn't just bless his poor, dear, sweet, trying heart...
 
2012-12-17 12:18:52 AM

snuff3r: [newspaper.li image 470x313]

Sneaky farking russians.

/boris!


Weird. I just saw the guy's pic and the first thing I thought of was the villain from "The Saint".
 
2012-12-17 12:19:14 AM

TheJoe03: Coco LaFemme: Wow.

You're a Rhodes Scholar, right?

No, just an asshole, Coco Lacoont.


That was magical. Thanks.
 
2012-12-17 12:19:28 AM
WTF is wrong with America? FFS.
 
2012-12-17 12:19:59 AM

hubiestubert: I thought briefly about putting this poor sod on Ignore, but damnation if we shouldn't just bless his poor, dear, sweet, trying heart..


Ah a pretentious nerd as well. Good for you buddy. WACKA WACKA!
 
2012-12-17 12:20:27 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: apoptotic: The more you eat the more you fart: STUPID CRAZY MOTHERFARKING FARKTARD BASTARDS!

The problem clearly is NOT the guns...its the crazy sumbiatches with mental disorders GETTING them that's the problem.

I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.

STOP letting all the motherfarkers that are sick in the farking head get a gun!

/firearm owner who is SICK and TIRED of batshiat crazy people getting guns and making everyone who owns a gun suspect.
//also, tired of them giving ammunition (pun intended) to the anti-gun crowd. Its NOT the guns...its the crazy person holding it.

If a drunk gets behind the wheel of a car and kills a busload of people, do you blame the CAR? No...you blame the arsehole drunk. Same with guns. Blame the person, not the tool.

I couldn't have demonstrated the generalization of and stigma against mental illness (which, counterproductively, leads to people being reluctant to seek diagnosis/treatment) any better if I'd tried. So thanks for that, I guess.

You are making assumptions. I have bipolar disorder, sooo.....what's your point?


My point is that you're not helping. According to your own rant, you're demanding that someone should take your gun(s) away. And logically, the only way to ensure you don't have access to firearms would be to also prevent anyone who lives with you, or to whose property you have access, from having any. So then your friends and family will be in a position of having to choose between you and their guns. Do you disagree that someone who hasn't yet been diagnosed may be reluctant to put themselves in that position?

And that's not even to mention that not all mental illnesses include a propensity toward violence in the first place, yet when it comes to these discussions it seems that "mentally ill" and "violent" are used interchangeably.
 
2012-12-17 12:20:28 AM

hubiestubert: TheJoe03: hubiestubert: In fairness, I think that more folks than just myself have you Farkied as "not the brightest soul"--or words to similar effect--on the basis of your previous posts.

Good for you. Funny that you judge other people's intelligence because they disagree with you. If you want to discuss the topic at hand that would be great, but to say I'm stupid because I make errors over a phone is pretty amusing. I guess it makes you feel better.

Actually, it's the specious reasoning and thin skin that earned it for you. There are plenty of folks who disagree with me on gun control, who I still wouldn't mind having a beer with. The sanctimoniousness of your posts coupled with their poor quality of logic is what folks tend to point and laugh at. It's not about disagreement or agreement, it's about poor logic and poor argumentation. But, you can keep it up, I mean, that's what Fark feeds on: folks with delusions of competence...


I know you're having fun with the little derp-tard but I just wanted to step in for a moment and say that even as a very libby-lib I agree with gun control, I mean sure regulations like drivers licenses and increasing from there, sure, but restriction no way.
/And I'd gladly buy you a beer : )
 
2012-12-17 12:20:35 AM

Forbidden Doughnut: The more you eat the more you fart: If a drunk gets behind the wheel of a car and kills a busload of people, do you blame the CAR? No...you blame the arsehole drunk. Same with guns. Blame the person, not the tool.

Well put.


Yup. Exactly why we revoke driving privileges from drunk drivers.
 
2012-12-17 12:21:01 AM

Coco LaFemme: That was magical. Thanks.


Anytime sugartits.
 
2012-12-17 12:21:37 AM
Yeah, this is why spree shootings are more of a mental health care issue than a gun issue. Most people crazy enough to go murdering random people are not terribly subtle about it if anyone's actually paying any attention.
 
2012-12-17 12:21:39 AM

gerbilpox: [www.theblaze.com image 528x333]

Am I the only one whose first thought was: "his facial hair is yellow under his nostrils"?

Just me? 'Kay.


/does 0bamacare cover Kleenex?


You know who else had facial hair under his nostrils?
 
2012-12-17 12:22:14 AM

Pincy: twiztedjustin: What a wacko, but sorry Farkers, someone is law abiding until they aren't.

Hence the reason to put sensible restrictions on gun ownership. Because anyone is a potential nut job just waiting to go off.



Yes, and who is to be the judge of this sensible restrictions?

The guy may have lived his whole life as a normal every day guy. There is nothing sensible about limiting someone that has never shown any signs.

You can put all the background checks & magazine restrictions out there you want, it doesn't affect crime or psychos.
 
2012-12-17 12:22:39 AM

NarrMaster: The more you eat the more you fart I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.

STOP letting all the motherfarkers that are sick in the farking head get a gun!

/firearm owner who is SICK and TIRED of batshiat crazy people getting guns and making everyone who owns a gun suspect.
//also, tired of them giving ammunition (pun intended) to the anti-gun crowd. Its NOT the guns...its the crazy person holding it.

You are making assumptions. I have bipolar disorder, sooo.....what's your point?


Uhhh, hey there buddy..... um....

...something about a cunning plan..... and not thinking it through.... or something....


No, actually YOU missed the point.

I'd be more than willing to have the FBI dig through my medical records and find out that I'm not prone to violence, if it means that someone who *is* doesn't get to buy a gun.

newsflash: not everyone with bipolar disorder gets violent or delusional or "crazy" as you would understand it to be.

Only the very severe cases do. Doesn't and wouldn't apply to me.

however, my point remains...I, as a gun owner AND a person with bipolar disorder, am willing to compromise and allow a more intrusive background check to be done. Because I understand that SOME people with the same disorder as me ARE prone to violence...i'd rather have my past and my medical records dug through with a fine-tooth comb than have a bunch of little kids killed.

I'm a father. Nothing comes before that. As a father, if it means people will have to give up some of their "privacy" in order to ensure that violently mentally ill people can't get a gun, then so farking be it.

HIPAA law says that medical information is privledged and that no one that doesnt need to know about it has a right to view it...well...what I'm saying is that if you're buying a firearm, the fbi needs to know about your history. That includes ME.
 
2012-12-17 12:23:20 AM

iq_in_binary: HERE

There's a proposal. From a gunsmith no less.

Don't let it be said gun owners aren't willing to compromise.


How about we get the name of the business this "gunsmith" works for?

I thought so.

same post, that confident.
 
2012-12-17 12:23:31 AM

wildcardjack: I'm wondering WHEN did he make these threats? I'm guessing he made these threats weeks or months ago and it took a national incident to make the locals respond to something sitting in the "whack job" pile.


I'm guessing that his old lady got sick of his crap and decided to go chat with the local constabulary.
 
2012-12-17 12:24:18 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: so what if its more inconvenient to have your mental health called into question when you try to buy a firearm?!


The issue might be, who is doing the judgement on that 'mental health'? Or whatever other blockade might be put in the path of purchasing a firearm (beyond the existing background checks).
 
2012-12-17 12:25:00 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: NarrMaster: The more you eat the more you fart I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.

STOP letting all the motherfarkers that are sick in the farking head get a gun!

/firearm owner who is SICK and TIRED of batshiat crazy people getting guns and making everyone who owns a gun suspect.
//also, tired of them giving ammunition (pun intended) to the anti-gun crowd. Its NOT the guns...its the crazy person holding it.

You are making assumptions. I have bipolar disorder, sooo.....what's your point?


Uhhh, hey there buddy..... um....

...something about a cunning plan..... and not thinking it through.... or something....

No, actually YOU missed the point.

I'd be more than willing to have the FBI dig through my medical records and find out that I'm not prone to violence, if it means that someone who *is* doesn't get to buy a gun.

newsflash: not everyone with bipolar disorder gets violent or delusional or "crazy" as you would understand it to be.

Only the very severe cases do. Doesn't and wouldn't apply to me.

however, my point remains...I, as a gun owner AND a person with bipolar disorder, am willing to compromise and allow a more intrusive background check to be done. Because I understand that SOME people with the same disorder as me ARE prone to violence...i'd rather have my past and my medical records dug through with a fine-tooth comb than have a bunch of little kids killed.

I'm a father. Nothing comes before that. As a father, if it means people will have to give up some of their "privacy" in order to ensure that violently mentally ill people can't get a gun, then so farking be it.

HIPAA law says that medical information is privledged and that no one that doesnt need to know about it has a ...


You didn't say "violent" in your post, you said "ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder", of which bipolar is one. I never said you were violent.
 
2012-12-17 12:25:32 AM

Gyrfalcon: Dear media:

If someone "threatens" to do something, he wasn't going to do it, because by "threatening" one guarantees attention by the authorities which pretty much ensures one will be unable to follow through with one's threats. Hence, this douchebag had no intention of "killing as many people as he could" and what he really wanted was a lot of attention.

Which you just gave him.

In spades.

Thanks so much for fulfilling this sad little man's dearest wish, which was to become some kind of minor celebrity. Don't you feel special.


Or mental health care, granted he supposedly could buy all those guns & ammo but...
/I hope he get's the pills he needs.
 
2012-12-17 12:25:35 AM

BuckTurgidson: The more you eat the more you fart: Max Awesome: Typical gun-fetishist. Welcome to the NRA's America.

I don't own 47 of anything. Except maybe books.

I own five fireams. Five. Does that make me a "gun nut" too?

It makes you a chip-shouldered goober refusing to acknowledge the difference between "5" and "47".

I own a few firearms myself. Owning double-digits of them for any reason other than trading for a profit would make me a gun fetishist.


Dollars to donuts most of this guy's collection were either collectables or not in working order/rusted to shiat.
 
2012-12-17 12:25:39 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: NarrMaster: The more you eat the more you fart I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.

STOP letting all the motherfarkers that are sick in the farking head get a gun!

/firearm owner who is SICK and TIRED of batshiat crazy people getting guns and making everyone who owns a gun suspect.
//also, tired of them giving ammunition (pun intended) to the anti-gun crowd. Its NOT the guns...its the crazy person holding it.

You are making assumptions. I have bipolar disorder, sooo.....what's your point?


Uhhh, hey there buddy..... um....

...something about a cunning plan..... and not thinking it through.... or something....

No, actually YOU missed the point.

I'd be more than willing to have the FBI dig through my medical records and find out that I'm not prone to violence, if it means that someone who *is* doesn't get to buy a gun.

newsflash: not everyone with bipolar disorder gets violent or delusional or "crazy" as you would understand it to be.

Only the very severe cases do. Doesn't and wouldn't apply to me.

however, my point remains...I, as a gun owner AND a person with bipolar disorder, am willing to compromise and allow a more intrusive background check to be done. Because I understand that SOME people with the same disorder as me ARE prone to violence...i'd rather have my past and my medical records dug through with a fine-tooth comb than have a bunch of little kids killed.

I'm a father. Nothing comes before that. As a father, if it means people will have to give up some of their "privacy" in order to ensure that violently mentally ill people can't get a gun, then so farking be it.

HIPAA law says that medical information is privledged and that no one that doesnt need to know about it has a ...


4th, go fark yourself.
 
2012-12-17 12:26:34 AM
Mental health issues must have run in the family..what parent has an arsenal of weapons in the home with their mentally unstable child?
 
2012-12-17 12:26:53 AM

Jim_Callahan: Yeah, this is why spree shootings are more of a mental health care issue than a gun issue. Most people crazy enough to go murdering random people are not terribly subtle about it if anyone's actually paying any attention.


Too bad our society chooses not to pony up enough for anyone to pay any attention.

Cost of doing business, I suppose.
 
2012-12-17 12:27:51 AM
Goddammit, about three hours ago, I received a robo-call from my nephew's high school principal saying that there had been a threat made here in Kingman Arizona. Fortunately, the young idiot was apprehended, according to the message. I just wonder if they'd have called if he was still at large.
 
2012-12-17 12:28:03 AM

othmar: This is nothing but a long running Elephants turd

You're some sort of bot, aren't you?
 
2012-12-17 12:28:53 AM

Centerpoint: Mental health issues must have run in the family..what parent has an arsenal of weapons in the home with their mentally unstable child?



Mom should have taken them out of the house and given to a friend for safekeeping until her son was no longer living there.

/Had to do that when my brother was living with me back in 2006.
//He had a mental breakdown, and I loaded up my firearms and dropped them off at a friend's house.
 
2012-12-17 12:28:55 AM
These copycat guys are aftershocks.
 
2012-12-17 12:29:21 AM

thisisarepeat: 4th, go fark yourself.


Why nothing will change.
 
2012-12-17 12:29:37 AM
So is there some organized domestic terrorist organization that is planning this shiat or something?
 
2012-12-17 12:29:56 AM
47 of those guns will never make anything of themselves and will always be dependent on that guy
 
2012-12-17 12:30:06 AM

BuckTurgidson: Forbidden Doughnut: The more you eat the more you fart: If a drunk gets behind the wheel of a car and kills a busload of people, do you blame the CAR? No...you blame the arsehole drunk. Same with guns. Blame the person, not the tool.

Well put.

Yup. Exactly why we revoke driving privileges from drunk drivers.


We also revoke the right to own guns from felons. Not just gun criminals, any felon.
 
2012-12-17 12:30:11 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: NarrMaster: The more you eat the more you fart I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.

STOP letting all the motherfarkers that are sick in the farking head get a gun!

/firearm owner who is SICK and TIRED of batshiat crazy people getting guns and making everyone who owns a gun suspect.
//also, tired of them giving ammunition (pun intended) to the anti-gun crowd. Its NOT the guns...its the crazy person holding it.

You are making assumptions. I have bipolar disorder, sooo.....what's your point?


Uhhh, hey there buddy..... um....

...something about a cunning plan..... and not thinking it through.... or something....

No, actually YOU missed the point.

I'd be more than willing to have the FBI dig through my medical records and find out that I'm not prone to violence, if it means that someone who *is* doesn't get to buy a gun.

newsflash: not everyone with bipolar disorder gets violent or delusional or "crazy" as you would understand it to be.

Only the very severe cases do. Doesn't and wouldn't apply to me.

however, my point remains...I, as a gun owner AND a person with bipolar disorder, am willing to compromise and allow a more intrusive background check to be done. Because I understand that SOME people with the same disorder as me ARE prone to violence...i'd rather have my past and my medical records dug through with a fine-tooth comb than have a bunch of little kids killed.

I'm a father. Nothing comes before that. As a father, if it means people will have to give up some of their "privacy" in order to ensure that violently mentally ill people can't get a gun, then so farking be it.

HIPAA law says that medical information is privledged and that no one that doesnt need to know about it has a ...


Also, your ability to produce crotch fruit has absolutely nothing to do with my rights under the BILL OF RIGHTS in the U.S. Constitution.

fark you and your family.
 
2012-12-17 12:30:17 AM

lewismarktwo: Dollars to donuts most of this guy's collection were either collectables or not in working order/rusted to shiat.


I'll take that bet.
 
2012-12-17 12:32:13 AM

BuckTurgidson: lewismarktwo: Dollars to donuts most of this guy's collection were either collectables or not in working order/rusted to shiat.

I'll take that bet.


Oops, missed that part. TFA said many were collectibles. Here's your donuts: OOOOOOOOOOOO
 
2012-12-17 12:33:40 AM

ambassador_ahab: Mr. Coffee Nerves: at the direct order of the United Nations

What, exactly, is the authority the United Nations has over our country?


None. In fact the united nations is primarily funded by the us. Well as of 10 years ago, when I did model un in college...
 
2012-12-17 12:34:02 AM

apoptotic: The more you eat the more you fart: apoptotic:

My point is that you're not helping. According to your own rant, you're demanding that someone should take your gun(s) away. And logically, the only way to ensure you don't have access to firearms would be to also prevent anyone who lives with you, or to whose property you have access, from having any. So then your friends and family will be in a position of having to choose between you and their guns. Do you disagree that someone who hasn't yet been diagnosed may be reluctant to put themselves in that position?

And that's not even to mention that not all mental illnesses include a propensity toward vio ...



the short answer: yes.

The not-so-short answer: sorta.

If I lived with my parents for example, yes, they should be required to keep the things locked up with a key that I would not have access to.

If not being able to buy a gun keeps someone from seeking treatment, then I dunno what to say except that it would kinda be an even bigger example of why they would need it.

As it stands, it is extremely hard to have someone committed. Loosen the restrictions. If parents have a reason to think their loved ones are mentally ill, it should be easier for them to get that person help.

Yes, the sick have rights...even those mentally sick. However, its not the same as having appendicitis. People with mental illnesses don't always act in a rational, clear-headed way. they cannot always see themselves in a realistic way, or be able to judge their behavior accurately. Therefore, those that are able to should be able to get them help...against their will if necessary.

And yes, when I was severely depressed, I didnt WANT help, but I'm damned glad someone was eventually able to convince me to seek help. My life drastically improved since that point many years ago.

So yeah...sorry, but I feel very little sympathy for people stuck in a state of denial as everyone around them tells them they are sick and need that help. At a certain point, you have to be responsible for yourself.

Dont want the help? Dont want to listen to the doctors or take your meds? Fine...but don't expect to be able to buy or keep firearms around.
 
2012-12-17 12:34:54 AM

faeriefay: In fact the united nations is primarily funded by the us.


20% or so of the UN budget is funded by America, by far the largest contributor.
 
2012-12-17 12:36:02 AM

studebaker hoch: These copycat guys are aftershocks.


I'd say the school attack itself was an aftershock of the Mall Shooting the other day.
 
2012-12-17 12:37:11 AM
Let's change the second amendment to "Thou shalt have the right to mental health care".
 
2012-12-17 12:37:44 AM

thisisarepeat:


I get that you don't want any regulations on firearms. Sorry, but that is a foregone conclusion at this point, and you will have to adapt.

Clearly, you choose not to have kids. I don't care. I dont care if you have kids or not...to see 20+ little kids killed and to only be able to think about your own unrestricted "right" to buy whatever guns you want points to the fact that you are an entitled, narcissistic sociopathic prick.

Eat a dick.

 
2012-12-17 12:38:54 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Let's change the second amendment to "Thou shalt have the right to mental health care".


I was thinking that if someone were to ever amend the 2nd amendment, it should be like this:

1. The right of mentally competent individuals to keep and bear firearms for the purposes of self-defense and recreation shall not be infringed.

That should make everyone happy, right?
 
2012-12-17 12:39:46 AM
Forget stricter gun laws. We need stricter enforcement of condom use. Too many A-holes & D-bags popping out weirdos.
 
2012-12-17 12:40:46 AM

NarrMaster: newsflash: not everyone with bipolar disorder gets violent or delusional or "crazy" as you would understand it to be.


And the ones who are....aren't...until they are. Do you really think that the FBI, or whichever bureaucracy ends up in charge of approving/denying firearms permits is going to put themselves on the hook for predicting what symptoms someone will manifest in the future? No, they'd cover their own asses by doing exactly what you initially stated - denying permits to anyone with a diagnosis. Which would make people (or their families) reluctant to seek diagnosis/treatment. So now you have expensive and time consuming hoops to jump through with benefits that may or may not be greater than the costs they pose and damage they have the potential to cause. Sure, you can fall back on the "if it stops even one person, it's worth it" argument, but how well has that worked for the TSA?
 
2012-12-17 12:40:49 AM

MeanJean: Gulper Eel

We don't know enough of the shooter's backstory yet to know if the law would've applied to him, but still...this wasn't a question of resources (mom was getting some major coin in the divorce settlement) or upgrading the system. You can have all the resources in the world but if the law's not there to allow commitment, you the parent are SOL.

You know what she could have done?

NOT HAD farkING GUNS IN THE HOUSE WHERE CRAZY BOY COULD GET TO THEM.

He must have been showing a few signs of being crazy, why didn't she lock the guns up?


THANK YOU!!! I've been trying to make this same point all day (not on Fark).

Y'all, if ya got guns, and ya live with a crazy man, lock up yer guns, will ya?!?

Leaving them out where the crazy boy can get a hold of 'em just don't make no sense!!

Thank you. I will now return to speaking like mainstream America. I get my Southern drawl on when I get riled up.
 
2012-12-17 12:41:17 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.


Hey, fark you!
I have Aspergers Syndrome. Do you think I shouldn't be allowed to use a firearm? Because one does not have any thing to do with the other.
 
2012-12-17 12:42:06 AM

apoptotic: NarrMaster: newsflash: not everyone with bipolar disorder gets violent or delusional or "crazy" as you would understand it to be.

And the ones who are....aren't...until they are. Do you really think that the FBI, or whichever bureaucracy ends up in charge of approving/denying firearms permits is going to put themselves on the hook for predicting what symptoms someone will manifest in the future? No, they'd cover their own asses by doing exactly what you initially stated - denying permits to anyone with a diagnosis. Which would make people (or their families) reluctant to seek diagnosis/treatment. So now you have expensive and time consuming hoops to jump through with benefits that may or may not be greater than the costs they pose and damage they have the potential to cause. Sure, you can fall back on the "if it stops even one person, it's worth it" argument, but how well has that worked for the TSA?


Dude, that wasn't my quote.
 
2012-12-17 12:42:27 AM

Rockstone: That should make everyone happy, right?


is hunting for food self-defense or recreation?
/just leave off the last part
 
2012-12-17 12:43:18 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: STOP letting all the motherfarkers that are sick in the farking head get a gun!

/firearm owner who is SICK and TIRED of batshiat crazy people getting guns and making everyone who owns a gun suspect.


Lanza's weapon belonged to his presumably sane mother, whom he killed with it.

There was a time in my life where I briefly desired a gun. My wife talked me out of it before I even looked at prices, and her family had guns her whole life, even her grandmothers. Maybe I'm too nutty and vengeful to own a gun. I don't know. I didn't ask.

The fact is that guns are dangerous. Gun owners aren't necessarily dangerous, though they might purchase them to appear or feel that way. Your gun is more likely to hurt someone you know or someone you love than hurt a prowler or threat to your or their life.

Not every murderer is insane, not even the ones who make headlines for it. The guy who shot up the hair salon? Pissed about child custody. Half the murder-suicides I hear about are over that.
 
2012-12-17 12:44:33 AM

Rockstone: I have Aspergers Syndrome. Do you think I shouldn't be allowed to use a firearm? Because one does not have any thing to do with the other.


It depends. In my opinion, perhaps we should have psychiatric evaluations for people like you because I've known people with Aspergers that should be able to own a gun, and others that shouldn't be anywhere near one. We definitely can't move forward on this issue if it's looked at in a black and white way.
 
2012-12-17 12:45:23 AM

NarrMaster: apoptotic: NarrMaster: newsflash: not everyone with bipolar disorder gets violent or delusional or "crazy" as you would understand it to be.

And the ones who are....aren't...until they are. Do you really think that the FBI, or whichever bureaucracy ends up in charge of approving/denying firearms permits is going to put themselves on the hook for predicting what symptoms someone will manifest in the future? No, they'd cover their own asses by doing exactly what you initially stated - denying permits to anyone with a diagnosis. Which would make people (or their families) reluctant to seek diagnosis/treatment. So now you have expensive and time consuming hoops to jump through with benefits that may or may not be greater than the costs they pose and damage they have the potential to cause. Sure, you can fall back on the "if it stops even one person, it's worth it" argument, but how well has that worked for the TSA?

Dude, that wasn't my quote.


Yeah I just realized that, sorry about that. Apparently selecting just the text you want to quote and then hitting reply buggers it all up if you do it from someone else's reply.
 
2012-12-17 12:45:44 AM

Rockstone: The more you eat the more you fart: I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.

Hey, fark you!
I have Aspergers Syndrome. Do you think I shouldn't be allowed to use a firearm? Because one does not have any thing to do with the other.



Have a history of violence or oppositional/defiant behavior? If so, then no...I do not think you should be allowed to own firearms. Sorry.
 
2012-12-17 12:45:55 AM

BuckTurgidson: lewismarktwo: Dollars to donuts most of this guy's collection were either collectables or not in working order/rusted to shiat.

I'll take that bet.


He's got you. People "collect" every damn thing.
 
2012-12-17 12:47:11 AM

gerbilpox: Am I the only one whose first thought was: "his facial hair is yellow under his nostrils"?

Just me? 'Kay.


/does 0bamacare cover Kleenex?


Gross. You're right.
 
2012-12-17 12:47:53 AM

Aces and Eights: ross. You're right.


he smokes
 
2012-12-17 12:49:12 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert: TheJoe03: hubiestubert: In fairness, I think that more folks than just myself have you Farkied as "not the brightest soul"--or words to similar effect--on the basis of your previous posts.

Good for you. Funny that you judge other people's intelligence because they disagree with you. If you want to discuss the topic at hand that would be great, but to say I'm stupid because I make errors over a phone is pretty amusing. I guess it makes you feel better.

Actually, it's the specious reasoning and thin skin that earned it for you. There are plenty of folks who disagree with me on gun control, who I still wouldn't mind having a beer with. The sanctimoniousness of your posts coupled with their poor quality of logic is what folks tend to point and laugh at. It's not about disagreement or agreement, it's about poor logic and poor argumentation. But, you can keep it up, I mean, that's what Fark feeds on: folks with delusions of competence...

I know you're having fun with the little derp-tard but I just wanted to step in for a moment and say that even as a very libby-lib I agree with gun control, I mean sure regulations like drivers licenses and increasing from there, sure, but restriction no way.
/And I'd gladly buy you a beer : )


The problem with gun control debates, is that they are band aid solutions, and they detract from the conversation that we need to be having.

When we look at gun control debates, they boil down to basics: safety and crime.

Safety, as in keeping one's weapons in a secure fashion where there is zero chance of accidental discharge or someone picking up a weapon that doesn't know how to handle it. Goes for knives, goes for blades, goes for clubs and staves even. That's simple responsibility. Folks should be locking up and keeping their arms away from kids and the unwary. I can see demands for greater emphasis on safety in licensing courses. I can easily see a firearms safety course being necessary for licensing firearms and that mandated--standards differ from state to state, and even for concealed carries. Being declined for a license or concealed carry for issues from felonies or mental illness diagnosis, those are legitimate concerns for whether or not someone should be allowed to have a firearm near them.

The other issue, is crime. And when we talk crime, simple access to firearms doesn't turn folks into a criminal--though, the LAPD and Chicago and New York PD have been making a case for questioning that--but poor taste jokes aside, access to firearms no more turns folks into criminals, than access to blades. If that was the case, my entire profession would be just kill crazy. Kitchens DO attract a certain unstable element, often with substance abuse problems, and no small measure of stress and anger issues, but simple access to blades doesn't mean that cooks are slash-happy timebombs waiting to go off. Waitress shagging timebombs? Well, that might be true, but that's because waitresses and hostesses are close, we are in our cups, and they are closest and sometimes even get that we aren't always rage filled hate machines who scream at inanimate objects, or at least understand that often when we scream at the ticket machine or the oven or the grill, that it's an easy way to blow of stress that doesn't hurt peoples' feelings. If access to firearms alone was the biggest issue, then the Swiss would be a kill crazy nation. They aren't. Neither are the Canuckistanis.

We need to be looking at what pushes folks to crime in the first place. What pushes them to crimes of passion, what pushes folks deep into madness, what pushes folks into crime as an economic alternative. These are sometimes related issues, and what gun control debates do is sort of derail the real discussion, get folks hett up and choosing sides, when neither side really addresses the issues of social instability, mental health, economic stability and social equality that often couple together to give folks either an environment where violence IS a valid alternative or push folks without much of a social safety net towards a precipice that is thin enough for them to pop right over the edge.

What BOTH sides of gun control want, is safety and less crime. That is the kicker. Both sides want responsible individuals, they both want criminals dealt with, and they both want us to be safer. The how we get there, that's a bit different. The problem is, that the way these debates are framed, is that they get folks who BOTH want a safer society to feel like they are across a mighty chasm, and thus, can NEVER work together in a larger discussion in how to achieve that. And worse, are dismissive of one another because they differ on the how, and certain that their way is best, when neither is really discussing how to achieve a safer society, only instead they focus on symptoms. Some folks feel it better to throw a band aid over the wound, others feel that it's best let it fester in the open, but no one is apparently willing to entertain discussions on how to disinfect the real rot: and right now, that rot is in that very real economic instability and inequality, coupled with very real fear for safety both economic, physical, and medical, and that culture of fear doesn't lead to good places. It allows folks to make rash decisions on BOTH sides of this "debate" that don't actually address the real issue...

I appreciate that folks want their kids to be safe. I think we need a better way to discuss it than "gun grabber!" and "gun nut!" when both folks want to protect their families. There is common ground, if only folks will put down the beating sticks for a debate that does little to address the real issues, and all the time and money that is wasted on this debate, we could have looked at better solutions to cure the real disease...
 
2012-12-17 12:49:32 AM
Shoot, a fella could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff.
 
2012-12-17 12:50:48 AM

TheJoe03: Rockstone: I have Aspergers Syndrome. Do you think I shouldn't be allowed to use a firearm? Because one does not have any thing to do with the other.

It depends. In my opinion, perhaps we should have psychiatric evaluations for people like you because I've known people with Aspergers that should be able to own a gun, and others that shouldn't be anywhere near one. We definitely can't move forward on this issue if it's looked at in a black and white way.


Pretty much this is what I'm saying.

I've known people with Asperger's that I wouldn't let have a steak knife to cut their food because they're just as likely to slit someone's throat out of the blue as they are to cut their New York strip.

Then, there are others that are just socially awkward, but otherwise kind, nice people.

Same with bipolar disorder. I've known a few people that have it that are prone to split-second without warning violent outbursts, and then there are others that do what they are supposed to do and are just normal, nice people.

Some kind of evaluation should be done. There are more restrictions on getting a driver's license.

And I'm not some anti-gun person either. In fact, I am STRONGLY pro-gun. I just have common sense.
 
2012-12-17 12:50:51 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: Rockstone: The more you eat the more you fart: I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.

Hey, fark you!
I have Aspergers Syndrome. Do you think I shouldn't be allowed to use a firearm? Because one does not have any thing to do with the other.


Have a history of violence or oppositional/defiant behavior? If so, then no...I do not think you should be allowed to own firearms. Sorry.


No, I don't. But you painted way too broad a brush.

TheJoe03: It depends. In my opinion, perhaps we should have psychiatric evaluations for people like you because I've known people with Aspergers that should be able to own a gun, and others that shouldn't be anywhere near one. We definitely can't move forward on this issue if it's looked at in a black and white way.


The problem is who should and shouldn't own a gun is mostly based on opinions.
 
2012-12-17 12:51:02 AM

Rockstone: I have Aspergers Syndrome. Do you think I shouldn't be allowed to use a firearm?


Yes, I think exactly that. Also, no access to sharp objects or toxic household chemicals, because you will harm yourself and/or others with them in an episode over which neither you nor anyone else can have any possible control. In fact, you should be f*cking locked up.

How old are you, by the way?
 
2012-12-17 12:51:55 AM

thisisarepeat: BuckTurgidson: lewismarktwo: Dollars to donuts most of this guy's collection were either collectables or not in working order/rusted to shiat.

I'll take that bet.

He's got you. People "collect" every damn thing.


See my followup, but that doesn't mean they're not fetishists.
 
2012-12-17 12:54:29 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: And I'm not some anti-gun person either. In fact, I am STRONGLY pro-gun. I just have common sense.


Same.

Rockstone: The problem is who should and shouldn't own a gun is mostly based on opinions.


Well a scientific (ie psychiatric) "opinion" holds a little more weight.
 
2012-12-17 12:55:33 AM

apoptotic: NarrMaster: newsflash: not everyone with bipolar disorder gets violent or delusional or "crazy" as you would understand it to be.

And the ones who are....aren't...until they are. Do you really think that the FBI, or whichever bureaucracy ends up in charge of approving/denying firearms permits is going to put themselves on the hook for predicting what symptoms someone will manifest in the future? No, they'd cover their own asses by doing exactly what you initially stated - denying permits to anyone with a diagnosis. Which would make people (or their families) reluctant to seek diagnosis/treatment. So now you have expensive and time consuming hoops to jump through with benefits that may or may not be greater than the costs they pose and damage they have the potential to cause. Sure, you can fall back on the "if it stops even one person, it's worth it" argument, but how well has that worked for the TSA?


I don't want any government agency going through to find out who is getting mental health treatment and I would fight like hell against that ever happening(in a legal way) the thing is that getting mental health care can be so costly and there is such a stigma around it. I don't know what the answer is my own brother has to take his meds or go crazy. He's well I'm not sure but it's happened twice and now my parents have to monitor him every day on taking pills. Thankfully he has decent insurance to pay for those pills but I really fear the day my parents aren't around to look after him. No I don't think he'd hurt anyone just get committed without the meds. Maybe a halfway house would be a good place but really how many of those are there?
 
2012-12-17 12:55:38 AM

BuckTurgidson: Rockstone: I have Aspergers Syndrome. Do you think I shouldn't be allowed to use a firearm?

Yes, I think exactly that. Also, no access to sharp objects or toxic household chemicals, because you will harm yourself and/or others with them in an episode over which neither you nor anyone else can have any possible control. In fact, you should be f*cking locked up.

How old are you, by the way?


I'm a freshman in college. I'm a healthy, happy, normal adult, except I'm a bit socially awkward.

You do realize that if you lock up everyone who has any type of mental disorder that could be considered "dangerous", they'll quickly be no one around.
 
2012-12-17 12:56:18 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: thisisarepeat:


I get that you don't want any regulations on firearms. Sorry, but that is a foregone conclusion at this point, and you will have to adapt.

Clearly, you choose not to have kids. I don't care. I dont care if you have kids or not...to see 20+ little kids killed and to only be able to think about your own unrestricted "right" to buy whatever guns you want points to the fact that you are an entitled, narcissistic sociopathic prick.

Eat a dick.


And the fact that all you can think about is hurting people that had absolutely nothing to do with this tragedy, just because they wish to retain their constitutional rights, makes you a grieving lunatic. And currently more than unfit for this society, mentally. It seems to me that its you that they should be chasing with a damn net.
 
2012-12-17 12:56:45 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: Some kind of evaluation should be done. There are more restrictions on getting a driver's license.


When I renewed my drivers license they asked me to look in the little eye test gizmo stand for a picture and write a check for a few bucks. When I last bought a gun, they did the whole background check thing which took close to half an hour. I live in a state with pretty relaxed gun laws. There are flaming hoops of firey doom you have to jump through in places like New York, Chicago or DC.
 
2012-12-17 12:57:09 AM

TheJoe03: Well a scientific (ie psychiatric) "opinion" holds a little more weight.


Yes, very true.
 
2012-12-17 12:58:11 AM

Popcorn Johnny: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x353]


i.imgur.com 

/ I mean, there was that whole Latin line and everything
 
2012-12-17 12:59:14 AM

TheJoe03: The more you eat the more you fart: And I'm not some anti-gun person either. In fact, I am STRONGLY pro-gun. I just have common sense.

Same.

Rockstone: The problem is who should and shouldn't own a gun is mostly based on opinions.

Well a scientific (ie psychiatric) "opinion" holds a little more weight.


I'm not saying I have the answers, but I am saying that something MUST be done to keep guns out of the hands of people that are capable of walking into an elementary school and shooting 6 and 7 year old kids in the face.

If gun owners don't wake up, and come up with a solution, then the truly anti-gun crowd will fix the problem for them...by banning or placing excessive restrictions on firearms.

Continuing to hold on to the "NO RESTRICTIONS WHATSOEVAR!1111!!!" point of view only serves to ensure without a doubt, that sooner or later, guns will either be banned outright or there will be another overly-restrictive awb-type legislation passed.
 
2012-12-17 12:59:43 AM

doglover: Apos: The resemblance to Willie Nelson is quite unfortunate.

I don't know if I'm comin' or goin'; if it's them or me.
All I know is Willie Nelson only smoke killer weed.


Clutch reference? That's a favoritin'
 
2012-12-17 01:00:04 AM

TheJoe03: Rockstone: I have Aspergers Syndrome. Do you think I shouldn't be allowed to use a firearm? Because one does not have any thing to do with the other.

It depends. In my opinion, perhaps we should have psychiatric evaluations for people like you because I've known people with Aspergers that should be able to own a gun, and others that shouldn't be anywhere near one. We definitely can't move forward on this issue if it's looked at in a black and white way.


Well, but I've known people WITHOUT Asperger's that should be able to own a gun, and others that shouldn't be anywhere near one. In fact, they had no diagnosis of any kind. So what's to be the marker here? People with mental diagnoses are preemptively determined to be unstable without evaluations? People without them preemptively presumed stable until they go off and kill a bunch of people? This is why it's a pointless line to draw.

Also, without a national standard, any talk of "psychiatric evaluations" whether for gun ownership or driver's licenses is equally pointless. If I can be batshiat insane and be denied a gun in California, that's fine...but it's useless if I can drive over to Arizona and get a gun because their test consists of "Are you nuts?"--no--"Fine, sign here."
 
2012-12-17 01:00:54 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: Rockstone: The more you eat the more you fart: I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.

Hey, fark you!
I have Aspergers Syndrome. Do you think I shouldn't be allowed to use a firearm? Because one does not have any thing to do with the other.


Have a history of violence or oppositional/defiant behavior? If so, then no...I do not think you should be allowed to own firearms. Sorry.


Its called the Lautenberg amendment and its ALREADY ON THE FARKING BOOKS!

You farking tool.
 
2012-12-17 01:02:55 AM

namatad: 1) $100,000 in ammo? REALLY? REALLY?
2) could we have a national "WACK JOBS come out of the closest" day?

One day a year, all the crazies come out and talk about the nutty shiat they plan on doing. The cops can round them up and lock them up.
And no, I am not talking about the GOP convention. That is every 4 years.


2.bp.blogspot.com
'We don't need gun control. We need bullet control. Make each bullet cost $5k.'
 
2012-12-17 01:03:03 AM

doglover: studebaker hoch: These copycat guys are aftershocks.

I'd say the school attack itself was an aftershock of the Mall Shooting the other day.


2 cops killed today in Kansas

A couple people shot tonight in a movie theater in San Antonio

How long do these aftershocks go on?
 
2012-12-17 01:04:26 AM

Gyrfalcon: TheJoe03: Rockstone: I have Aspergers Syndrome. Do you think I shouldn't be allowed to use a firearm? Because one does not have any thing to do with the other.

It depends. In my opinion, perhaps we should have psychiatric evaluations for people like you because I've known people with Aspergers that should be able to own a gun, and others that shouldn't be anywhere near one. We definitely can't move forward on this issue if it's looked at in a black and white way.

Well, but I've known people WITHOUT Asperger's that should be able to own a gun, and others that shouldn't be anywhere near one. In fact, they had no diagnosis of any kind. So what's to be the marker here? People with mental diagnoses are preemptively determined to be unstable without evaluations? People without them preemptively presumed stable until they go off and kill a bunch of people? This is why it's a pointless line to draw.

Also, without a national standard, any talk of "psychiatric evaluations" whether for gun ownership or driver's licenses is equally pointless. If I can be batshiat insane and be denied a gun in California, that's fine...but it's useless if I can drive over to Arizona and get a gun because their test consists of "Are you nuts?"--no--"Fine, sign here."


Right. A national requirement of a 30-minute consultation with an LPC or psychologist should do it.
 
2012-12-17 01:06:05 AM

thisisarepeat: The more you eat the more you fart: Rockstone: The more you eat the more you fart: I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.

Hey, fark you!
I have Aspergers Syndrome. Do you think I shouldn't be allowed to use a firearm? Because one does not have any thing to do with the other.


Have a history of violence or oppositional/defiant behavior? If so, then no...I do not think you should be allowed to own firearms. Sorry.

Its called the Lautenberg amendment and its ALREADY ON THE FARKING BOOKS!

You farking tool.


Perhaps I'd be more willing to listen to your viewpoint if you weren't such a gigantic douchebag.

think about that for a minute....
 
2012-12-17 01:08:55 AM
The more you eat the more you fart SmartestFunniest 2012-12-17 01:04:26 AM


Gyrfalcon: TheJoe03: Rockstone: I have Aspergers Syndrome. Do you think I shouldn't be allowed to use a firearm? Because one does not have any thing to do with the other.

It depends. In my opinion, perhaps we should have psychiatric evaluations for people like you because I've known people with Aspergers that should be able to own a gun, and others that shouldn't be anywhere near one. We definitely can't move forward on this issue if it's looked at in a black and white way.

Well, but I've known people WITHOUT Asperger's that should be able to own a gun, and others that shouldn't be anywhere near one. In fact, they had no diagnosis of any kind. So what's to be the marker here? People with mental diagnoses are preemptively determined to be unstable without evaluations? People without them preemptively presumed stable until they go off and kill a bunch of people? This is why it's a pointless line to draw.

Also, without a national standard, any talk of "psychiatric evaluations" whether for gun ownership or driver's licenses is equally pointless. If I can be batshiat insane and be denied a gun in California, that's fine...but it's useless if I can drive over to Arizona and get a gun because their test consists of "Are you nuts?"--no--"Fine, sign here."

Right. A national requirement of a 30-minute consultation with an LPC or psychologist should do it.


Question 1) Do you approve of your current elected officials in the House of Representatives? No? Denied
 
2012-12-17 01:08:58 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: thisisarepeat: The more you eat the more you fart: Rockstone: The more you eat the more you fart: I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.

Hey, fark you!
I have Aspergers Syndrome. Do you think I shouldn't be allowed to use a firearm? Because one does not have any thing to do with the other.


Have a history of violence or oppositional/defiant behavior? If so, then no...I do not think you should be allowed to own firearms. Sorry.

Its called the Lautenberg amendment and its ALREADY ON THE FARKING BOOKS!

You farking tool.

Perhaps I'd be more willing to listen to your viewpoint if you weren't such a gigantic douchebag.

think about that for a minute....


I can't believe I'm reading this, coming from the guy who just basically called anyone with any mental disorder a potential danger to society.

You're a far larger douchebag than anyone else right now.
 
2012-12-17 01:09:05 AM

Weaver95:

why bother? like any good Romney voter, you'll just change your views when its convenient, right? isn't that what Republicans do now?

think about it. prior to the kindergarten massacre, the GOP spent all year vilifying teacher's and trying to destroy their unions. then some idiot goes and shoots 20 kids and we've got Republicans falling all over themselves saying teachers are great and how they've always loved teachers. I'm just wondering how deep the hypocrisy hole goes is all.


The two political parties have consistently joined together on the killing of children overseas. Otherwise known as 'future terrorists' and 'collateral damage'. So the hypocrisy gets pretty deep.

It's all one party really. Just one big social manipulation of the people.
 
2012-12-17 01:09:32 AM

BuckTurgidson: thisisarepeat: BuckTurgidson: lewismarktwo: Dollars to donuts most of this guy's collection were either collectables or not in working order/rusted to shiat.

I'll take that bet.

He's got you. People "collect" every damn thing.

See my followup, but that doesn't mean they're not fetishists.


Shall we outlaw fetishes? Don't forget that a positive answer puts you in league with Alabama legislators.
 
2012-12-17 01:09:47 AM

Notabunny: doglover: studebaker hoch: These copycat guys are aftershocks.

I'd say the school attack itself was an aftershock of the Mall Shooting the other day.

2 cops killed today in Kansas

A couple people shot tonight in a movie theater in San Antonio

How long do these aftershocks go on?


For a while. Right now, there's a lot of doomsday crap overloaded on the economy in the toilet. I expect more mass deaths before Friday. I hope most are suicides but I wouldn't be surprised if there was more gun violence.

The solution is to stop lionizing these idiots. They're looking for attention and if we as a society didn't give them that attention it wouldn't encourage the next creepy Aspie kid the way all the wailing and moaning is doing right now. I'm sure that right now, there's some 15 year old male who's looking at all the news coverage and thinking "cool! I could be famous!"
 
2012-12-17 01:11:00 AM
You know what really pisses me off? Why do POS parents always decide to get divorced when their kids are teenagers?

The teenage years are the most emotionally-turbulent period of our youth, when we're flooded with new hormones and trying to develop our identities as young adults. A teenager naturally separates from their family at this point, but if they don't have any other social ties with their peers its the ABSOLUTE WORST time for selfish asshole parents to break up the family.

This troubled kid was cut-adrift from any external emotional ties. Combined with the fact that his idiot mother took left guns laying around the house and took regularly took him out to the shooting range as a family outing, it's no wonder he became such an effective killer. She trained him to be a perfect killer of children.

Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.
 
2012-12-17 01:13:04 AM
Non-derp link for those who, like me, are NGTRTFA.
 
2012-12-17 01:13:23 AM

Rockstone: The more you eat the more you fart: thisisarepeat: The more you eat the more you fart: Rockstone: The more you eat the more you fart: I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.

Hey, fark you!
I have Aspergers Syndrome. Do you think I shouldn't be allowed to use a firearm? Because one does not have any thing to do with the other.


Have a history of violence or oppositional/defiant behavior? If so, then no...I do not think you should be allowed to own firearms. Sorry.

Its called the Lautenberg amendment and its ALREADY ON THE FARKING BOOKS!

You farking tool.

Perhaps I'd be more willing to listen to your viewpoint if you weren't such a gigantic douchebag.

think about that for a minute....

I can't believe I'm reading this, coming from the guy who just basically called anyone with any mental disorder a potential danger to society.

You're a far larger douchebag than anyone else right now.


Actually, I think I'm being pretty reasonable considering.

At least I'm willing to compromise for the better of everyone involved...or willing to TRY to anyhow..

Flexibility is a hallmark of good mental health. Hanging onto a rigid "no compromises" position is extremely myopic.

Also, you are correct. Anyone with a mental disorder of any kind should be evaluated before purchasing a firearm. This includes me. If that makes me a douchebag by your standards, then so be it, being as most of these mass-shootings were perpetrated by people who were...wait for it...mentally ill.
 
2012-12-17 01:14:40 AM

namatad: AbbeySomeone: namatad: 1) $100,000 in ammo? REALLY? REALLY?
2) could we have a national "WACK JOBS come out of the closest" day?

One day a year, all the crazies come out and talk about the nutty shiat they plan on doing. The cops can round them up and lock them up.
And no, I am not talking about the GOP convention. That is every 4 years.

Cop math.
See also drug seizure threads.

Yah, my really was actually both.
1) 100k ??? LOL cop math
2) 100k is how many rounds??? even at a dollar each that is 100k rounds??? WTF! At $10 a round, which is silly even for cops, that is still 10k rounds ... which is STILL a bit insane. How many days of shooting would that take?? LOL


$100k for 47 guns and ammo isn't that hard to believe. I'm a collector of relatively cheap guns and I prolly have $15k in guns and ammo.

Ever price M1 Garands with all original parts? They're hard to find and wicked expensive.
 
2012-12-17 01:15:14 AM

Max Awesome:
Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.


Obviously, you have never been.

I take my kid shooting/hunting all the time. it IS a wholesome family activity.
 
2012-12-17 01:15:24 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: Actually, I think I'm being pretty reasonable considering.

At least I'm willing to compromise for the better of everyone involved...or willing to TRY to anyhow..

Flexibility is a hallmark of good mental health. Hanging onto a rigid "no compromises" position is extremely myopic.

Also, you are correct. Anyone with a mental disorder of any kind should be evaluated before purchasing a firearm. This includes me. If that makes me a douchebag by your standards, then so be it, being as most of these mass-shootings were perpetrated by people who were...wait for it...mentally ill.


So, basically we're evaluating everyone for mental disorders now. Good luck. Privacy laws won't let you do it.
 
2012-12-17 01:15:32 AM
Just to keep you all in the loop so you don't think any less of me -- I read this story (at another source) and 'big whoop, he's a biker, he ran his mouth and someone called him on it, and he's a dumbass for running his mouth with a small stockpile of weaponry ... and being associated with bikers, and a gang...'

ergo he's an idiot -- however he's now an idiot on vacation for life inside the U.S. penitentiary system

/kick someone's ass the first day, or become somebody's b&tch
 
2012-12-17 01:16:48 AM
Max Awesome
Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.


When you call it "target practice" it dimes you out as one of those people who are legitimately scared of guns, like they are going to grop legs at night and strangle you. You only make having a reasonable debate about gun policies impossible when you say stuff like this. It's like hearing some bible basher say "why is teaching kids about men farking each other in the ass considered education?" fark yourself, really
 
2012-12-17 01:17:30 AM

urban.derelict: it could be someone who was tired of living the bullsh*t charade going on and decided to make some idle threats and get put away on vacation the rest of his life, on someone else's dime.


you have never been in jail have you? told every day, all day where to go, what to do when to do it, and you can't leave. and that's the real kicker, you aren't going anywhere.

with a vacation you decide where to go, how long to stay, when to come back. jail is no vacation.
 
2012-12-17 01:17:33 AM

Notabunny: doglover: studebaker hoch: These copycat guys are aftershocks.

I'd say the school attack itself was an aftershock of the Mall Shooting the other day.

2 cops killed today in Kansas

A couple people shot tonight in a movie theater in San Antonio

How long do these aftershocks go on?


I can't tell if either of you are serious. Every shooting must now be inspired by a previous, larger one?
 
2012-12-17 01:17:34 AM
hubiestubert: Well truthfully I agree with everything you just said, I mean we have gun control in this country, and really I think it's alright except for those places that are trying to restrict gun ownership or make it too costly.

Second well it's servers not waitress ; ) You know like it's not mailmen it's poastalcarriers : ) But ya some of those guys behind the line get really peaved and I know I was generally the one pissing them of my first year waitressing : )

And I'm so glad Pres. Obama mentioned nothing about new gun control laws tonight, while I was watching I was all oh please don't go there. I really do think this is a healthcare/mental health thing as well as economic and education.

Also the very last thing I want is another dumb law passed in haste and irrational fear(hint the patriot act)
 
2012-12-17 01:18:23 AM

Curious: you have never been in jail have you? told every day, all day where to go, what to do when to do it, and you can't leave. and that's the real kicker, you aren't going anywhere.


sounds like telecommuting
 
2012-12-17 01:18:23 AM

Max Awesome: You know what really pisses me off? Why do POS parents always decide to get divorced when their kids are teenagers?

The teenage years are the most emotionally-turbulent period of our youth, when we're flooded with new hormones and trying to develop our identities as young adults. A teenager naturally separates from their family at this point, but if they don't have any other social ties with their peers its the ABSOLUTE WORST time for selfish asshole parents to break up the family.

This troubled kid was cut-adrift from any external emotional ties. Combined with the fact that his idiot mother took left guns laying around the house and took regularly took him out to the shooting range as a family outing, it's no wonder he became such an effective killer. She trained him to be a perfect killer of children.

Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.


Because Rick knows what is best
cdn.videogum.com
 
2012-12-17 01:18:37 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: thisisarepeat: The more you eat the more you fart: Rockstone: The more you eat the more you fart: I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.

Hey, fark you!
I have Aspergers Syndrome. Do you think I shouldn't be allowed to use a firearm? Because one does not have any thing to do with the other.


Have a history of violence or oppositional/defiant behavior? If so, then no...I do not think you should be allowed to own firearms. Sorry.

Its called the Lautenberg amendment and its ALREADY ON THE FARKING BOOKS!

You farking tool.

Perhaps I'd be more willing to listen to your viewpoint if you weren't such a gigantic douchebag.

think about that for a minute....


Think about the fact that I've been making this same argument to seemingly the same farking people since the mid 90's, and the easiest thing to do is just ignore you, but it's like watching a dog stick its face in an unshielded fan. If the fan dragged everyone within view of the fan into the fan with you and its not a fan, its a wood chipper.
 
2012-12-17 01:19:15 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: TheJoe03: The more you eat the more you fart: And I'm not some anti-gun person either. In fact, I am STRONGLY pro-gun. I just have common sense.

Same.

Rockstone: The problem is who should and shouldn't own a gun is mostly based on opinions.

Well a scientific (ie psychiatric) "opinion" holds a little more weight.

I'm not saying I have the answers, but I am saying that something MUST be done to keep guns out of the hands of people that are capable of walking into an elementary school and shooting 6 and 7 year old kids in the face.

If gun owners don't wake up, and come up with a solution, then the truly anti-gun crowd will fix the problem for them...by banning or placing excessive restrictions on firearms.

Continuing to hold on to the "NO RESTRICTIONS WHATSOEVAR!1111!!!" point of view only serves to ensure without a doubt, that sooner or later, guns will either be banned outright or there will be another overly-restrictive awb-type legislation passed.


Oh, no, you're quite wrong.

It's you who needs to stop clinging to dogma. The more anti gun folks talk about banning guns outright, the stronger the gun rights lobby becomes, preventing moderate gun control.

Guns are democracy in the USA. Democrats have to keep gun control efforts under the radar because if they don't, they lose elections.

Remember, hundreds are dead due to Fast and Furious guns. That's 10-15 times as many dead as died at that school. Albeit, there's really no comparison when we're talking about kids dying.

I would be happy to accept some reforms... up until idiots talk about banning all guns. Then I say never mind. Forget it. It's not worth the tremendous costs that society bears with heavy gun control. I don't want to live in a country like England, with massive gun control and the highest violence rates in the modern world.

So let's all agree that the healthy and law abiding person has a basic human right to a weapon. Let's agree that it's sacred like free speech. Then let's talk about reasonable measures to better protect society. Some kind of screening for crazies, and some kind of institutionalization for psycho crazies. I wouldn't mind seeing drug dealers given capital sentences (they create a lot of the crazies and if the drugs are serious, are basically murderers), but that's no more realistic than talking about banning guns.

Let's get gun safety and marksmanship taught in public school and let's get more citizens armed. Let's eliminate the fish in barrel problem of gun free zones and encourage concealed carry, so psychos cannot seek out easily terrorized spaces. Those dumb enough to go to armed zones to attempt massacres will start getting gunned down.

And let's start taking seriously the idea that our pop culture... our heavily 'progressive' industries of games, tv shows, movies, and music, are glorifying violence. Our culture is broken and nihilist, and it shouldn't be.
 
2012-12-17 01:19:41 AM

Rockstone: So, basically we're evaluating everyone for mental disorders now. Good luck. Privacy laws won't let you do it.


what is this stuff, I don't understand 'mentally ill' because I'm not. I took abnormal psychology in college, there's all these supposed (real) disorders like 'ask a guy to draw a [analog] clock' and he draws a circle and ALL the numbers are on the right side of the clock --

I can't understand mentally disabled because I'm not mentally disabled -- but it looks like a great excuse for mowing down a bunch of people. However the perp took themselves out at the end, after killing however many people -- they were a hero (or an anti-hero) in their own mind --

/and the bankers continue to get richer with their phony money supply while European bankers try to push 'austerity' measures --

There is no money, only debt ...

"There are two ways to enslave a nation, one is by the sword, the other is with debt" John Adams (i believe)

but you go ahead and enjoy your big screen tvs and your favorite sports teams and your celebrity gossip
 
2012-12-17 01:19:54 AM

Raharu: Since this is "TheBlaze" link, I'll assume he was an avid Glenn Beck fan.


I call shennanigans.

Since it's a "TheBlaze" link, and you saw it on Fark, there is no way it's true. Amirite, FarkLibbies?
 
2012-12-17 01:20:29 AM

Rockstone: The more you eat the more you fart: Actually, I think I'm being pretty reasonable considering.

At least I'm willing to compromise for the better of everyone involved...or willing to TRY to anyhow..

Flexibility is a hallmark of good mental health. Hanging onto a rigid "no compromises" position is extremely myopic.

Also, you are correct. Anyone with a mental disorder of any kind should be evaluated before purchasing a firearm. This includes me. If that makes me a douchebag by your standards, then so be it, being as most of these mass-shootings were perpetrated by people who were...wait for it...mentally ill.

So, basically we're evaluating everyone for mental disorders now. Good luck. Privacy laws won't let you do it.


That was my original point. Something is going to change...that much is absolutely certain.

The greeter or checkout person at WalMart doesn't need to know your mental status. The background check when you are attempting to buy a new CAR-15? Probably a valid reason to have your mental health status looked at.

Keep being stubborn....and your right to keep firearms might go away completely.

when you go get a new driver's license, they check your eyes to ensure you can see well enough to drive. That is a medical test. Is THAT an invasion of your privacy, too?

someone who is convicted of a DWI has their license revoked because they have demonstrated themselves to be a danger to society.

someone with a mental disorder who has been violent or who has stated that they with to cause other people harm has done the same.

Relevant medical tests are just that...relevant.
 
2012-12-17 01:21:12 AM

thisisarepeat: If the fan dragged everyone within view of the fan into the fan with you and its not a fan, its a wood chipper.


wut
 
2012-12-17 01:21:21 AM

The_Sponge: giftedmadness: I agree with mr lawson. you sounded like a huge douche by bragging that you paid for a 100k condo. it added zero the the conversation and was not funny or meaningful in any way.


You'll get over it....he did.


Don't speak for me, or Mr. Lawson.
 
2012-12-17 01:21:26 AM

moothemagiccow: Curious: you have never been in jail have you? told every day, all day where to go, what to do when to do it, and you can't leave. and that's the real kicker, you aren't going anywhere.

sounds like telecommuting


prison life is routine, and then more routine

/i bet you read that in Morgan Freeman's voice
//if i'd resigned myself, i'd kill someone and go to prison; if i wanted to throw it all away, that's exactly what i'd do -- some people already have
 
2012-12-17 01:22:40 AM
Yes, I've been in jail. Not prison, because i'm not f*cking stupid.
 
2012-12-17 01:22:43 AM
Jesus Christ! Gandhi didn't like gun control. That internet tough guy Gandhi.
 
2012-12-17 01:23:40 AM

Mr. Eugenides: Notabunny: doglover: studebaker hoch: These copycat guys are aftershocks.

I'd say the school attack itself was an aftershock of the Mall Shooting the other day.

2 cops killed today in Kansas

A couple people shot tonight in a movie theater in San Antonio

How long do these aftershocks go on?

For a while. Right now, there's a lot of doomsday crap overloaded on the economy in the toilet. I expect more mass deaths before Friday. I hope most are suicides but I wouldn't be surprised if there was more gun violence.

The solution is to stop lionizing these idiots. They're looking for attention and if we as a society didn't give them that attention it wouldn't encourage the next creepy Aspie kid the way all the wailing and moaning is doing right now. I'm sure that right now, there's some 15 year old male who's looking at all the news coverage and thinking "cool! I could be famous!"


This. In spades. How quickly people forget that one of the Columbine shooters' motives was that people would finally take them seriously.
 
2012-12-17 01:23:50 AM

Notabunny: doglover: studebaker hoch: These copycat guys are aftershocks.

I'd say the school attack itself was an aftershock of the Mall Shooting the other day.

2 cops killed today in Kansas

A couple people shot tonight in a movie theater in San Antonio

How long do these aftershocks go on?


Did you notice where the second link you posted was? I only realized today the school was called Sandy Hook. I'm thinking the schizophrenics are coming out of the woodwork.
/Just my 2 cents
 
2012-12-17 01:24:04 AM
Normal Fark: Cops are lying douchebags

Fark about anyone with guns: Cops say a guy with a pile of guns said something horrifying and threatening. Seems legit.
 
2012-12-17 01:25:57 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: Rockstone: The more you eat the more you fart: Actually, I think I'm being pretty reasonable considering.

At least I'm willing to compromise for the better of everyone involved...or willing to TRY to anyhow..

Flexibility is a hallmark of good mental health. Hanging onto a rigid "no compromises" position is extremely myopic.

Also, you are correct. Anyone with a mental disorder of any kind should be evaluated before purchasing a firearm. This includes me. If that makes me a douchebag by your standards, then so be it, being as most of these mass-shootings were perpetrated by people who were...wait for it...mentally ill.

So, basically we're evaluating everyone for mental disorders now. Good luck. Privacy laws won't let you do it.

That was my original point. Something is going to change...that much is absolutely certain.

The greeter or checkout person at WalMart doesn't need to know your mental status. The background check when you are attempting to buy a new CAR-15? Probably a valid reason to have your mental health status looked at.

Keep being stubborn....and your right to keep firearms might go away completely.

when you go get a new driver's license, they check your eyes to ensure you can see well enough to drive. That is a medical test. Is THAT an invasion of your privacy, too?

someone who is convicted of a DWI has their license revoked because they have demonstrated themselves to be a danger to society.

someone with a mental disorder who has been violent or who has stated that they with to cause other people harm has done the same.

Relevant medical tests are just that...relevant.


Driving is not a right, owning a gun is.

It's not like we don't have background checks. They're not comprehensive because that'd be violating someone's right to privacy.
 
2012-12-17 01:26:45 AM

spamdog: thisisarepeat: If the fan dragged everyone within view of the fan into the fan with you and its not a fan, its a wood chipper.

wut


If you haven't considered your audience, then you haven't considered your message.
 
2012-12-17 01:27:20 AM

KidneyStone: Fark about anyone with guns: Cops say a guy with a pile of guns said something horrifying and threatening. Seems legit.


you just remember where your freedom comes from, mister; people with guns who wouldn't take shiat from England any moar

/and the bankers came back and got us -- and we shook them off -- and they came back and got us again --
//its the federal reserve act of 1913 but you don't have to take me seriously because everyone thinks they can one-up everyone else anyway, it's not politics it's fark
 
2012-12-17 01:28:18 AM

twiztedjustin: Pincy: twiztedjustin: What a wacko, but sorry Farkers, someone is law abiding until they aren't.

Hence the reason to put sensible restrictions on gun ownership. Because anyone is a potential nut job just waiting to go off.

Yes, and who is to be the judge of this sensible restrictions?


We are. That's why we elect people to represent us and to make laws and such.
 
2012-12-17 01:28:27 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert: Well truthfully I agree with everything you just said, I mean we have gun control in this country, and really I think it's alright except for those places that are trying to restrict gun ownership or make it too costly.

Second well it's servers not waitress ; ) You know like it's not mailmen it's poastalcarriers : ) But ya some of those guys behind the line get really peaved and I know I was generally the one pissing them of my first year waitressing : )

And I'm so glad Pres. Obama mentioned nothing about new gun control laws tonight, while I was watching I was all oh please don't go there. I really do think this is a healthcare/mental health thing as well as economic and education.

Also the very last thing I want is another dumb law passed in haste and irrational fear(hint the patriot act)


Wouldn't a "postal carrier" be someone carrying around a post all day long?
 
2012-12-17 01:28:40 AM

Max Awesome: You know what really pisses me off? Why do POS parents always decide to get divorced when their kids are teenagers?

The teenage years are the most emotionally-turbulent period of our youth, when we're flooded with new hormones and trying to develop our identities as young adults. A teenager naturally separates from their family at this point, but if they don't have any other social ties with their peers its the ABSOLUTE WORST time for selfish asshole parents to break up the family.

This troubled kid was cut-adrift from any external emotional ties. Combined with the fact that his idiot mother took left guns laying around the house and took regularly took him out to the shooting range as a family outing, it's no wonder he became such an effective killer. She trained him to be a perfect killer of children.

Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.


Teaching responsibility IS sort of a family activity. The leaving of guns unlocked, that's a different story. I will be teaching my daughter to shoot, and I'm already starting her on self defense--jujitsu--because as a father, I want her to know how to defend herself. With that goes control, an emphasis on keeping her temper, controlling her own actions, as well understanding that those actions have consequences.

Parents who lose sight of that, that's not a wholly American activity though. I sat on jury for a case where a Swedish family sent their son overseas--to America--with distant relatives because he was involved with drugs and gambling. They sent their gambling addicted son to Arizona, and only a hop, skip and a jump away from Vegas, and into a state where meth and cheap Mexican pot abound. When he got into trouble, they wanted to blame ANYONE but themselves for the death of their son. The hospital for releasing him--which they sort of had to do, since he was a voluntary patient and hadn't been a threat to anyone else or even himself. He wound up trying to drive to Vegas before his folks collected him to take back home, and wound up getting lost and freezing to death. It was a tragic tale, but ultimately, you have to look at how the parents dealt with things, and ignored warning signs and an utter lack of responsibility in that they kept covering his bills, kept him away from real treatment, and faced with impending censure, he rode away into the night. On their credit cards no less.

Teaching a kid to shoot and to shoot responsibly is sort of what a good parent does. You teach a kid to shoot, and forget that responsibility portion of the show, and are lax, then yeah, it reflects on you. In this most recent case, it came back to bite them hard. And it did a LOT of collateral damage to boot.

I'm teaching my daughter to punch and kick and locks and throws, and just as importantly, I'm teaching her when such things are necessary and when they are unacceptable. In part, through my own example. Kids are sponges for that, and they learn a lot from those examples, so it's important that they have good role models.
 
2012-12-17 01:28:58 AM

ambassador_ahab: What, exactly, is the authority the United Nations has over our country?


One interpretation of the constitution is that treaties are the highest law of the land, surpassing even the constitution. The folks who worry about the UN taking over claim that our agreements with the UN have the force of treaty, and therefore take precedence over the constitution.
 
2012-12-17 01:29:14 AM
it's not "just" the fed res act of 1913, look what we're doing to the planet, we've got over 7 billion people at this point, who cares what the laws say, it's survival of the fittest and world governments are taking it as a reason to kill anyone they can for any and no reason, because who cares how tragic your death is, we've got 7 billion other mouths to feed.

not to sound callous but IT'S GOOD TO BE ALIVE

/everybody gets one chance
//except me, i got two
///HONK
 
2012-12-17 01:29:32 AM

Rockstone: The more you eat the more you fart: Rockstone: The more you eat the more you fart: Actually, I think I'm being pretty reasonable considering.

At least I'm willing to compromise for the better of everyone involved...or willing to TRY to anyhow..

Flexibility is a hallmark of good mental health. Hanging onto a rigid "no compromises" position is extremely myopic.

Also, you are correct. Anyone with a mental disorder of any kind should be evaluated before purchasing a firearm. This includes me. If that makes me a douchebag by your standards, then so be it, being as most of these mass-shootings were perpetrated by people who were...wait for it...mentally ill.

So, basically we're evaluating everyone for mental disorders now. Good luck. Privacy laws won't let you do it.

That was my original point. Something is going to change...that much is absolutely certain.

The greeter or checkout person at WalMart doesn't need to know your mental status. The background check when you are attempting to buy a new CAR-15? Probably a valid reason to have your mental health status looked at.

Keep being stubborn....and your right to keep firearms might go away completely.

when you go get a new driver's license, they check your eyes to ensure you can see well enough to drive. That is a medical test. Is THAT an invasion of your privacy, too?

someone who is convicted of a DWI has their license revoked because they have demonstrated themselves to be a danger to society.

someone with a mental disorder who has been violent or who has stated that they with to cause other people harm has done the same.

Relevant medical tests are just that...relevant.

Driving is not a right, owning a gun is.

It's not like we don't have background checks. They're not comprehensive because that'd be violating someone's right to privacy.


I am willing to agree on that. I feel the 2nd amendment applies to everyone...except those that are not mentally stable enough to be responsible.

I take it your ignored the very first thing I said: I open carry every single day. I teach my son to shoot. I'm an avid lifelong hunter. My heritage is quite literally based upon the daily use of firearms.

I am VERY VERY pro-gun.

However, I am also very very anti-mass murder. Especially when it involves a score of innocent children in an elementary school, perpetrated by one mentally ill farktard who should have never had access to firearms.
 
2012-12-17 01:29:37 AM
OMG OMG! $100,000 in ammo! OMG!

Reading comprehension FAIL.

It's undoubtedly a farkload of ammo, but there are also 47 firearms included. (At least that's how I read it.) He could have 1 $90,000 shotgun, 46 $216 PsOS, and 1 ten round box of .50 BMG ammo that doesn't even fit any of his weapons, and 50 rounds of .22 rat shot--or he could have a whole closet full of ammo.

Chill out and wait for details before you flip the fark out. Sounds like things are under control. Maybe dude's just a wannabe Eddie Muntz. At any rate, he's now being farked in the slammer.
 
2012-12-17 01:29:58 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert: Well truthfully I agree with everything you just said, I mean we have gun control in this country, and really I think it's alright except for those places that are trying to restrict gun ownership or make it too costly.

Second well it's servers not waitress ; ) You know like it's not mailmen it's poastalcarriers : ) But ya some of those guys behind the line get really peaved and I know I was generally the one pissing them of my first year waitressing : )

And I'm so glad Pres. Obama mentioned nothing about new gun control laws tonight, while I was watching I was all oh please don't go there. I really do think this is a healthcare/mental health thing as well as economic and education.

Also the very last thing I want is another dumb law passed in haste and irrational fear(hint the patriot act)


In fairness, I don't hit on male servers, so waitresses, it be. ;)
 
2012-12-17 01:31:14 AM

pciszek: One interpretation of the constitution is that treaties are the highest law of the land, surpassing even the constitution. The folks who worry about the UN taking over claim that our agreements with the UN have the force of treaty, and therefore take precedence over the constitution.


That's not what SCOTUS has interpreted it as, so don't worry.
 
2012-12-17 01:32:12 AM

Max Awesome: Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.


This times infinity plus one.

Guns should not be considered cool toys that are fun to play with. They are necessary evils at best.
 
2012-12-17 01:33:24 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: richard_1963: It always seems that the people with the most guns are the folks who you would least trust to use them in trustworthy manner.

guess how I know that you have never met someone with a large collection of guns. They're quite honestly the most stable people you can meet.


Around eight years ago I had the privilege of pulling about 80 guns out of the house of a man who had just been taken into custody after threatening suicide. Things could have gone real bad, but they didn't. It did not make the news. At all. You might be surprised at how often that happens.
 
2012-12-17 01:33:24 AM

Rockstone: SCOTUS


Whenever I see this word, I mentally substitute it with SCROTUS.
 
2012-12-17 01:34:06 AM

spamdog: Rockstone: SCOTUS

Whenever I see this word, I mentally substitute it with SCROTUS.


I see a new fark substitution.
 
2012-12-17 01:34:07 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: Max Awesome:
Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.

Obviously, you have never been.


Not true. I was a target-shooting champion. Won multiple trophies for my scout troop from the ages of 13-16. Shooting rifles laying on my stomach in the sniper position.

But those were highly-organized and structured events and practices as part of an organization that constantly reinforced respect for the power and danger of the gun and to not ever shoot one with a human being in our eye-line.

The casual attitude to gun safety in the US just amazes me. The fact that you can just go shooting for an afternoon with your family as if it was as game of golf or bowling is astonishing. Especially when that parent may be a complete idiot who has no ability to teach their child how handle a gun or to value human life whatsoever.
 
2012-12-17 01:35:15 AM

Pincy: Max Awesome: Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.

This times infinity plus one.

Guns should not be considered cool toys that are fun to play with. They are necessary evils at best.


Like writing, which hurts your hand and is boring.
 
2012-12-17 01:35:18 AM

Pincy: Max Awesome: Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.

This times infinity plus one.

Guns should not be considered cool toys that are fun to play with. They are necessary evils at best.


Oh puh-lease.

Get a grip dude...a necessary evil?

Im a hunter. My people are hunters. Have been for hundreds of years. Thats evil to you?!
 
2012-12-17 01:36:45 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: someone who is convicted of a DWI has their license revoked because they have demonstrated themselves to be a danger to society.


I worked with a guy who had ten DUIs, how does that happen? He didn't show up for work for three days, they started to wonder, called his ex wife, found out he was in jail. They hired a temp while he was gone, and he got served his summons after returning to work. This was discussed with me with hushed voice, like he had a hunchback or a retarded baby. No one cared.

They fired me just for being an asshole.

//csb
 
2012-12-17 01:37:03 AM

Gdalescrboz: Max Awesome
Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.

When you call it "target practice" it dimes you out as one of those people who are legitimately scared of guns, like they are going to grop legs at night and strangle you. You only make having a reasonable debate about gun policies impossible when you say stuff like this. It's like hearing some bible basher say "why is teaching kids about men farking each other in the ass considered education?" fark yourself, really


You should be scared of guns, moron. They're not toys.

See above. I'm very familiar with shooting rifles. I was taught responsible gun safety by the Scouts.
 
2012-12-17 01:37:06 AM

LOTN: Popcorn Johnny: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x353]

[i.imgur.com image 198x287] 

/ I mean, there was that whole Latin line and everything


i.imgur.com 

/latin, shmatten
 
2012-12-17 01:37:48 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: Im a hunter. My people are hunters.


LET MY PEOPLE GO
 
2012-12-17 01:38:06 AM

moothemagiccow: The more you eat the more you fart: someone who is convicted of a DWI has their license revoked because they have demonstrated themselves to be a danger to society.

I worked with a guy who had ten DUIs, how does that happen? He didn't show up for work for three days, they started to wonder, called his ex wife, found out he was in jail. They hired a temp while he was gone, and he got served his summons after returning to work. This was discussed with me with hushed voice, like he had a hunchback or a retarded baby. No one cared.

They fired me just for being an asshole.

//csb


Ten?! Someone dropped the ball evidently.
 
2012-12-17 01:39:11 AM

Gyrfalcon: tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert: Well truthfully I agree with everything you just said, I mean we have gun control in this country, and really I think it's alright except for those places that are trying to restrict gun ownership or make it too costly.

Second well it's servers not waitress ; ) You know like it's not mailmen it's poastalcarriers : ) But ya some of those guys behind the line get really peaved and I know I was generally the one pissing them of my first year waitressing : )

And I'm so glad Pres. Obama mentioned nothing about new gun control laws tonight, while I was watching I was all oh please don't go there. I really do think this is a healthcare/mental health thing as well as economic and education.

Also the very last thing I want is another dumb law passed in haste and irrational fear(hint the patriot act)

Wouldn't a "postal carrier" be someone carrying around a post all day long?


You do know I was just playing the dumb waitress to make h=Hubie all stabby right?
 
2012-12-17 01:39:42 AM

urban.derelict: you just remember where your freedom comes from, mister; people with guns who wouldn't take shiat from England any moar


Nonsense. This country was founded on tricking the poor into thinking they'd benefit from the freedom of the rich. People seriously got killed over taxes and congressmen?

Imagine if US Military were killed for entering Puerto Rico.

//life, liberty and property
 
2012-12-17 01:39:48 AM

Max Awesome: Gdalescrboz: Max Awesome
Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.

When you call it "target practice" it dimes you out as one of those people who are legitimately scared of guns, like they are going to grop legs at night and strangle you. You only make having a reasonable debate about gun policies impossible when you say stuff like this. It's like hearing some bible basher say "why is teaching kids about men farking each other in the ass considered education?" fark yourself, really

You should be scared of guns, moron. They're not toys.

See above. I'm very familiar with shooting rifles. I was taught responsible gun safety by the Scouts.


I was too. Im an Eagle Scout as well.

You shouldnt be afraid of firearms...you should have a healthy respect for them.

There's a substantial diffrence
 
2012-12-17 01:40:25 AM
Opps cant type with a cat in my lap : )
 
2012-12-17 01:40:51 AM

Rockstone: pciszek: One interpretation of the constitution is that treaties are the highest law of the land, surpassing even the constitution. The folks who worry about the UN taking over claim that our agreements with the UN have the force of treaty, and therefore take precedence over the constitution.

That's not what SCOTUS has interpreted it as, so don't worry.


One interpretation of the constitution is that potatoes are the highest tubers of the land, surpassing even Bill O'Reilly. The inmates at the asylum who worry about the UN taking over claim that our tubers with the UN have the force of potato, and therefore take precedence over the constitution, which is why the GOP is constantly trying to make a treaty with Saudi Arabia banning all abortion - because, yeah, that would work. My ass also farts cotton candy and my urine is made of diamonds.

/Allow me to make your engagement ring!
 
2012-12-17 01:41:29 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: Pincy: Max Awesome: Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.

This times infinity plus one.

Guns should not be considered cool toys that are fun to play with. They are necessary evils at best.

Oh puh-lease.

Get a grip dude...a necessary evil?

Im a hunter. My people are hunters. Have been for hundreds of years. Thats evil to you?!


Well, you don't need a gun to hunt. People were eating meat well before we had guns. But ya, I don't consider the act of hunting to be evil.
 
2012-12-17 01:43:13 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: You shouldnt be afraid of firearms...you should have a healthy respect for them.

There's a substantial diffrence


A healthy respect does include some amount of fear. Fear is not always a bad thing.
 
2012-12-17 01:45:27 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: Pincy: Max Awesome: Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.

This times infinity plus one.

Guns should not be considered cool toys that are fun to play with. They are necessary evils at best.

Oh puh-lease.

Get a grip dude...a necessary evil?

Im a hunter. My people are hunters. Have been for hundreds of years. Thats evil to you?!


Wow,

The more you eat the more you fart: Pincy: Max Awesome: Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.

This times infinity plus one.

Guns should not be considered cool toys that are fun to play with. They are necessary evils at best.

Oh puh-lease.

Get a grip dude...a necessary evil?

Im a hunter. My people are hunters. Have been for hundreds of years. Thats evil to you?!


So...they haven't come for you, so you say nothing?
I own one semi-automatic firearm, Ruger MK1. (I wonder how many search to see how scary looking that one is.)
 
2012-12-17 01:45:57 AM
"Police say he said" and "Wife issued complaint"
Possible translation
"Wife told police he's a psycho. Incidentally is filing for divorce and painting him as a nutjob gets her all his stuff, of which he clearly has a lot."
 
2012-12-17 01:47:45 AM

The more you eat the more you fart:

You shouldnt be afraid of firearms...you should have a healthy respect for them.

There's a substantial diffrence


Splitting hairs. Fear/Respect = Extreme Caution.

There are far too many gun owners who haven't been taught by an organization like the Scouts to treat guns as the potentially life-ending tools that they are.

In other words, this guy: Link  (nsfw language)
 
2012-12-17 01:48:24 AM

thisisarepeat: So...they haven't come for you, so you say nothing?
I own one semi-automatic firearm, Ruger MK1. (I wonder how many search to see how scary looking that one is.)

 
2012-12-17 01:48:29 AM

Pincy: The more you eat the more you fart: Pincy: Max Awesome: Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.

This times infinity plus one.

Guns should not be considered cool toys that are fun to play with. They are necessary evils at best.

Oh puh-lease.

Get a grip dude...a necessary evil?

Im a hunter. My people are hunters. Have been for hundreds of years. Thats evil to you?!

Well, you don't need a gun to hunt. People were eating meat well before we had guns. But ya, I don't consider the act of hunting to be evil.


I'm pretty much the libbiest libtard who ever libbed. I'm all for gun control. I'm also a hunter. Target practice is a fun family activity. It takes skill, practice, control, and responsibility. Seeing your own skills improve, and teaching others, is very rewarding.
 
2012-12-17 01:48:44 AM

moothemagiccow: The more you eat the more you fart: someone who is convicted of a DWI has their license revoked because they have demonstrated themselves to be a danger to society.

I worked with a guy who had ten DUIs, how does that happen? He didn't show up for work for three days, they started to wonder, called his ex wife, found out he was in jail. They hired a temp while he was gone, and he got served his summons after returning to work. This was discussed with me with hushed voice, like he had a hunchback or a retarded baby. No one cared.

They fired me just for being an asshole.

//csb


He probably showed up at the church that was recommended to him during the interview process. Yeah, nothing more disgusting. Meet the new boss!
 
2012-12-17 01:49:09 AM

vygramul: thisisarepeat: So...they haven't come for you, so you say nothing?
I own one semi-automatic firearm, Ruger MK1. (I wonder how many search to see how scary looking that one is.)


Dammit, I hate it when it kicks an image and posts anyway.
 
2012-12-17 01:52:51 AM

vygramul: thisisarepeat: So...they haven't come for you, so you say nothing?
I own one semi-automatic firearm, Ruger MK1. (I wonder how many search to see how scary looking that one is.)


You working on something little fella?
 
2012-12-17 01:55:40 AM

serial_crusher: The latter, but as my anecdote indicates, it doesn't matter whether his parents tried to have him get help. The second he turned 18, the law gave him the right to make that decision regardless of what his parents had to say about the matter. You know, crazy people are clearly the most qualified to make decisions about their own mental health care....


Wait, how does it work with adults with Down's Syndrome or other mental handicaps? Wouldn't it be wise to extend those policies to those who have a history of harming themselves and others?
 
2012-12-17 01:56:26 AM

Rockstone: I'm a freshman in college. I'm a healthy, happy, normal adult, except I'm a bit socially awkward.


Then you don't have "Asperger's Syndrome".

I still think you should be locked up though, and maybe cockpunched.
 
2012-12-17 01:57:43 AM

Notabunny: Pincy: The more you eat the more you fart: Pincy: Max Awesome: Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.

This times infinity plus one.

Guns should not be considered cool toys that are fun to play with. They are necessary evils at best.

Oh puh-lease.

Get a grip dude...a necessary evil?

Im a hunter. My people are hunters. Have been for hundreds of years. Thats evil to you?!

Well, you don't need a gun to hunt. People were eating meat well before we had guns. But ya, I don't consider the act of hunting to be evil.

I'm pretty much the libbiest libtard who ever libbed. I'm all for gun control. I'm also a hunter. Target practice is a fun family activity. It takes skill, practice, control, and responsibility. Seeing your own skills improve, and teaching others, is very rewarding.


Yeah. That's what I enjoyed about shooting rifles at the gun range as well. I just think it should entirely be left up to parents to teach gun safety.

There's too many idiot parents out there.
 
2012-12-17 02:00:32 AM

thisisarepeat: BuckTurgidson: thisisarepeat: BuckTurgidson: lewismarktwo: Dollars to donuts most of this guy's collection were either collectables or not in working order/rusted to shiat.

I'll take that bet.

He's got you. People "collect" every damn thing.

See my followup, but that doesn't mean they're not fetishists.

Shall we outlaw fetishes?


Not at all. But we can all exercise our First-Amendment right to mock whichever fetishists we choose to mock. As a gun-owning supporter of concealed and open carry who does not support any form of "assault weapon ban" or similar firearms restrictions, I choose to mock gun fetishists.

Because they are farked up psychos.
 
2012-12-17 02:00:40 AM
*should not*
 
2012-12-17 02:00:55 AM

lewismarktwo: .

Dollars to donuts most of this guy's collection were either collectables or not in working order/rusted to shiat.


He was in a motorcycle gang, so I'm guessing all those weapons were in perfect working order.
 
2012-12-17 02:00:57 AM

BuckTurgidson: Rockstone: I'm a freshman in college. I'm a healthy, happy, normal adult, except I'm a bit socially awkward.

Then you don't have "Asperger's Syndrome".

I still think you should be locked up though, and maybe cockpunched.


Aspergers is...characterized by significant difficulties in social interaction, alongside restricted and repetitive patterns of behavior and interests.

Aside from the fact I have actually been diagnosed (not that it matters on the internet), I am socially awkward, and I do have difficulties in social interaction (beyond that of a normal person), and I do have restricted interests (though not AS much as I used to).

I don't know what you think someone with Aspergers is like, but yeah...
 
2012-12-17 02:01:16 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: However, I am also very very anti-mass murder. Especially when it involves a score of innocent children in an elementary school, perpetrated by one mentally ill farktard who should have never had access to firearms.


you give him too much credit by labeling him 'mentally ill,' this guy's plan worked perfectly (he was young, either 20, or 24 -- perhaps his girlfriend dumped him [?!] kids are f*cking stupid and get bent out of shape over the most menial bullsh*t, up until the moment he blew his own brains out. He did it for some reason, and killed his mother to boot -- I'd say he was highly competent. he was trying to impress his older brother and, -- for god's sake, who names their SECOND son 'Adam'?! I have a friend named Adam, he's the OLDER of two boys...

/WHY WAS NO ONE ELSE ARMED, you are INVITING these things to happen when NO ONE IS ARMED 
//FREEDOM WAS WON by PEOPLE WITH GUNS -- what makes you think you can keep it without them?!
 
2012-12-17 02:01:37 AM
If we can have/suffer under for profit prisons, why can't we have / suffer under for profit mental hospitals?
There's for profit hospitals everywhere. Why not for profit mental hospitals?

or am I thinking logically again?
 
2012-12-17 02:02:05 AM

BuckTurgidson: Rockstone: I'm a freshman in college. I'm a healthy, happy, normal adult, except I'm a bit socially awkward.

Then you don't have "Asperger's Syndrome".

I still think you should be locked up though, and maybe cockpunched.


Nobody does
 
2012-12-17 02:03:03 AM
My mistake, I may be in the wrong thread -- but my point stands true -- this guy isn't metnally anything he just ran his mouth and someone called him on it -- if you're going to make threats -- and you've got a stockpile of weapons and you're in a biker gang -- and you're going to make threats -- where someone else can hear them -- you better be ready to pack your shiat and go to jail
 
2012-12-17 02:03:22 AM

Notabunny: BuckTurgidson: Rockstone: I'm a freshman in college. I'm a healthy, happy, normal adult, except I'm a bit socially awkward.

Then you don't have "Asperger's Syndrome".

I still think you should be locked up though, and maybe cockpunched.

Nobody does


Not until May, 2013.
 
2012-12-17 02:03:31 AM

Max Awesome: Yeah. That's what I enjoyed about shooting rifles at the gun range as well. I just think it should entirely be left up to parents to teach gun safety.

There's too many idiot parents out there.


Wait did you leave an n't out there?
 
2012-12-17 02:04:29 AM

Max Awesome: *should not*


Oh, cool thought so : )
 
2012-12-17 02:05:57 AM
This shiat pisses me off so much -- not to sidestep but I was checking out Notabunny's link on how they dropped Asperger's -- the headline in question reads

"mass-murder Adam..." something -- HE'S NOT A MASS MURDERER HE'S A MULTIPLE MURDERER

Hitler, Stalin, Pol-Pot = mass murderers
this f*cking clown, cho, loughner, columbine pair: MULTIPLE-murderers

/carry on
 
2012-12-17 02:08:11 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: STUPID CRAZY MOTHERFARKING FARKTARD BASTARDS!

The problem clearly is NOT the guns...its the crazy sumbiatches with mental disorders GETTING them that's the problem.

I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.


So, you're saying we should restrict people's rights for merely acting different, even if they've never harmed anyone before in their life?

Meanwhile, there are plenty of mentally healthy folks who habitually harmed themselves and others. Most male domestic abusers and bullies have no history of mental illness. Jovan Belcher was, by all accounts, a normal guy...yet he still killed his girlfriend before killing himself. Chris Benoit had no history of mental illness...but his brain was quite damaged from years of wrestling, and he didn't even need a gun to murder his wife and son. Hell, the effects of just one concussion can replicate the effects of autism spectrum disorders or mood-regulation disorders. Should we ask everyone who's ever wrestled, played football, or just hit their head really hard one day to turn in their guns?

Or, in other words, if you're so against a blanket firearms ban due to the 2nd amendment, then why are you for taking away an individual's 2nd amendment right just because he tested poorly on mental health evaluations?
 
2012-12-17 02:08:49 AM

urban.derelict: This shiat pisses me off so much -- not to sidestep but I was checking out Notabunny's link on how they dropped Asperger's -- the headline in question reads

"mass-murder Adam..." something -- HE'S NOT A MASS MURDERER HE'S A MULTIPLE MURDERER

Hitler, Stalin, Pol-Pot = mass murderers
this f*cking clown, cho, loughner, columbine pair: MULTIPLE-murderers

/carry on


You glorify them too much if you dub them that. That's part of the problem. The media keeps glorifying the killers. And they probably want that, too. It brings in the ratings, and increases the likelihood it'll happen again.
 
2012-12-17 02:09:29 AM

IlGreven: The more you eat the more you fart: STUPID CRAZY MOTHERFARKING FARKTARD BASTARDS!

The problem clearly is NOT the guns...its the crazy sumbiatches with mental disorders GETTING them that's the problem.

I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.

So, you're saying we should restrict people's rights for merely acting different, even if they've never harmed anyone before in their life?

Meanwhile, there are plenty of mentally healthy folks who habitually harmed themselves and others. Most male domestic abusers and bullies have no history of mental illness. Jovan Belcher was, by all accounts, a normal guy...yet he still killed his girlfriend before killing himself. Chris Benoit had no history of mental illness...but his brain was quite damaged from years of wrestling, and he didn't even need a gun to murder his wife and son. Hell, the effects of just one concussion can replicate the effects of autism spectrum disorders or mood-regulation disorders. Should we ask everyone who's ever wrestled, played football, or just hit their head really hard one day to turn in their guns?

Or, in other words, if you're so against a blanket firearms ban due to the 2nd amendment, then why are you for taking away an individual's 2nd amendment right just because he tested poorly on mental health evaluations?


Thank you, you said it much better than I could.
 
2012-12-17 02:10:08 AM
I saw this article as a link on FB and thought I'd share...it's a column written by a mother of a teen that she fears could become the cause of the next horrible headline.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-ment a l-illness-conversation_n_2311009.html

My take is that there's no simple answer here--the posts on mental illness, gun control, and family responsibility have run the gamut. I come from a family with mental illness of varying sorts, and have been lucky to have been raised in an atmosphere where I feel free to be open about my moods and meds. I still encounter people (including close friends/partners) that believe mental illness is a black and white/crazy or sane situation, and it's frustrating. Some have been particularly troubling with their belief that mental illness of any sort is a personal choice and a problem that can be overcome with thinking positively or doing yoga. [Not to knock those things, they just aren't for me.] It's especially frustrating when those of us who seek help and/or are on appropriate medications are stigmatized for doing so. Mental illness is a huge spectrum that includes depression, eating disorders, psychopathy, social anxiety, and pathologic lying, among others. Lumping it all in is like saying anyone who has gone to a doctor for an infection should be sent to a hospital as a public health risk for ebola.

/soapbox end
 
2012-12-17 02:14:21 AM
This is what (well over) $100,000 in guns and ammo looks like.
www.blogcdn.com
wtf is he gonna do with all that? The est. value is $150,000 to $200,000.
/There are also brand new shotguns priced over $100,000. But usually when you pay that for a new gun, it's not made yet!
 
2012-12-17 02:14:42 AM

BuckTurgidson: thisisarepeat: BuckTurgidson: thisisarepeat: BuckTurgidson: lewismarktwo: Dollars to donuts most of this guy's collection were either collectables or not in working order/rusted to shiat.

I'll take that bet.

He's got you. People "collect" every damn thing.

See my followup, but that doesn't mean they're not fetishists.

Shall we outlaw fetishes?

Not at all. But we can all exercise our First-Amendment right to mock whichever fetishists we choose to mock. As a gun-owning supporter of concealed and open carry who does not support any form of "assault weapon ban" or similar firearms restrictions, I choose to mock gun fetishists.

Because they are farked up psychos.


How? I want to outlaw psychos.
 
2012-12-17 02:17:27 AM

1fish2fishohlookamonkey: I saw this article as a link on FB and thought I'd share...it's a column written by a mother of a teen that she fears could become the cause of the next horrible headline.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-ment a l-illness-conversation_n_2311009.html

My take is that there's no simple answer here--the posts on mental illness, gun control, and family responsibility have run the gamut. I come from a family with mental illness of varying sorts, and have been lucky to have been raised in an atmosphere where I feel free to be open about my moods and meds. I still encounter people (including close friends/partners) that believe mental illness is a black and white/crazy or sane situation, and it's frustrating. Some have been particularly troubling with their belief that mental illness of any sort is a personal choice and a problem that can be overcome with thinking positively or doing yoga. [Not to knock those things, they just aren't for me.] It's especially frustrating when those of us who seek help and/or are on appropriate medications are stigmatized for doing so. Mental illness is a huge spectrum that includes depression, eating disorders, psychopathy, social anxiety, and pathologic lying, among others. Lumping it all in is like saying anyone who has gone to a doctor for an infection should be sent to a hospital as a public health risk for ebola.

/soapbox end


Who ever said that said it pretty well as far as I'm concerned, and I really hope we have some serious changes in not only the mental healthcare system but the acceptance that going to it doesn't make you stark raving mad or criminally insane.
 
2012-12-17 02:17:50 AM

namatad: AbbeySomeone: namatad: 1) $100,000 in ammo? REALLY? REALLY?
2) could we have a national "WACK JOBS come out of the closest" day?

One day a year, all the crazies come out and talk about the nutty shiat they plan on doing. The cops can round them up and lock them up.
And no, I am not talking about the GOP convention. That is every 4 years.

Cop math.
See also drug seizure threads.

Yah, my really was actually both.
1) 100k ??? LOL cop math
2) 100k is how many rounds??? even at a dollar each that is 100k rounds??? WTF! At $10 a round, which is silly even for cops, that is still 10k rounds ... which is STILL a bit insane. How many days of shooting would that take?? LOL


100k rounds is a respectable collection. 10,000 rounds is moderate. Hell, I have 10,000 rounds. I could burn through that day at the range.
 
2012-12-17 02:20:54 AM

Notabunny: Pincy: The more you eat the more you fart: Pincy: Max Awesome: Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.

This times infinity plus one.

Guns should not be considered cool toys that are fun to play with. They are necessary evils at best.

Oh puh-lease.

Get a grip dude...a necessary evil?

Im a hunter. My people are hunters. Have been for hundreds of years. Thats evil to you?!

Well, you don't need a gun to hunt. People were eating meat well before we had guns. But ya, I don't consider the act of hunting to be evil.

I'm pretty much the libbiest libtard who ever libbed. I'm all for gun control. I'm also a hunter. Target practice is a fun family activity. It takes skill, practice, control, and responsibility. Seeing your own skills improve, and teaching others, is very rewarding.


Well if you are the libbiest lib then I'm second to you. I have a feeling you and I would get along just fine if we ever met. So don't take this as a personal insult to you because I don't intend it to be. I just don't like the idea of equating guns with fun. I'm not saying there isn't a reason for people to be proficient with guns. I just think we should treat them as what they are, tools for killing things, and usually we don't think of those sorts of things as fun.
 
2012-12-17 02:21:02 AM

Marcintosh: If we can have/suffer under for profit prisons, why can't we have / suffer under for profit mental hospitals?
There's for profit hospitals everywhere. Why not for profit mental hospitals?

or am I thinking logically again?


We had for-profit mental hospitals: remember all the ads for Charter Hospital(s) back in the 80's? Turns out those shiatholes weren't treating anyone, they were just keeping people there until the insurance ran out.
 
2012-12-17 02:24:40 AM
Max Awesome SmartestFunniest 2012-12-17 01:37:03 AM


Gdalescrboz: Max Awesome
Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.

When you call it "target practice" it dimes you out as one of those people who are legitimately scared of guns, like they are going to grop legs at night and strangle you. You only make having a reasonable debate about gun policies impossible when you say stuff like this. It's like hearing some bible basher say "why is teaching kids about men farking each other in the ass considered education?" fark yourself, really

You should be scared of guns, moron. They're not toys.

See above. I'm very familiar with shooting rifles. I was taught responsible gun safety by the Scouts.


Are you scared of cars? Are you scared of karate? Are you scared of large quantities of H2O? Stop being a schmuck
 
2012-12-17 02:28:43 AM
$100,000 in ammo?

I live in Texas, and my backwoods friends laugh at that small amount.
 
2012-12-17 02:31:08 AM

Notabunny: BuckTurgidson: Rockstone: I'm a freshman in college. I'm a healthy, happy, normal adult, except I'm a bit socially awkward.

Then you don't have "Asperger's Syndrome".

I still think you should be locked up though, and maybe cockpunched.

Nobody does


that just says aspergers are now considered under autism
 
2012-12-17 02:33:07 AM

Rockstone: urban.derelict: This shiat pisses me off so much -- not to sidestep but I was checking out Notabunny's link on how they dropped Asperger's -- the headline in question reads

"mass-murder Adam..." something -- HE'S NOT A MASS MURDERER HE'S A MULTIPLE MURDERER

Hitler, Stalin, Pol-Pot = mass murderers
this f*cking clown, cho, loughner, columbine pair: MULTIPLE-murderers

/carry on

You glorify them too much if you dub them that. That's part of the problem. The media keeps glorifying the killers. And they probably want that, too. It brings in the ratings, and increases the likelihood it'll happen again.


...see, the problem I see is, just how many spree killers are actually attention whores? If they've gone to the trouble of killing people, they've gone far past the attention-whore stage, and onto the "final solution" stage. By that point, they're far past getting the attention that they need (rather than what they want), and just thinking about ending things. And the absolute worst thing you could do to people on that edge is to deny them all attention. I've said it in other threads, "Ignore it and it goes away" never works. And IMO, that doctrine was a chief cause of the shooting.

/Too many people use a telescope and a microscope for analysis, and ignore their own eyes.
 
2012-12-17 02:33:10 AM

cmb53208: Marcintosh: If we can have/suffer under for profit prisons, why can't we have / suffer under for profit mental hospitals?
There's for profit hospitals everywhere. Why not for profit mental hospitals?

or am I thinking logically again?

We had for-profit mental hospitals: remember all the ads for Charter Hospital(s) back in the 80's? Turns out those shiatholes weren't treating anyone, they were just keeping people there until the insurance ran out.


That's so farking scary and horrible just... wow.

What the fark? Who supports this? Why?
 
2012-12-17 02:33:40 AM
So the dollar value of his arsenal is important how?
 
2012-12-17 02:35:05 AM

IlGreven: Rockstone: urban.derelict: This shiat pisses me off so much -- not to sidestep but I was checking out Notabunny's link on how they dropped Asperger's -- the headline in question reads

"mass-murder Adam..." something -- HE'S NOT A MASS MURDERER HE'S A MULTIPLE MURDERER

Hitler, Stalin, Pol-Pot = mass murderers
this f*cking clown, cho, loughner, columbine pair: MULTIPLE-murderers

/carry on

You glorify them too much if you dub them that. That's part of the problem. The media keeps glorifying the killers. And they probably want that, too. It brings in the ratings, and increases the likelihood it'll happen again.

...see, the problem I see is, just how many spree killers are actually attention whores? If they've gone to the trouble of killing people, they've gone far past the attention-whore stage, and onto the "final solution" stage. By that point, they're far past getting the attention that they need (rather than what they want), and just thinking about ending things. And the absolute worst thing you could do to people on that edge is to deny them all attention. I've said it in other threads, "Ignore it and it goes away" never works. And IMO, that doctrine was a chief cause of the shooting.

/Too many people use a telescope and a microscope for analysis, and ignore their own eyes.


Attention whores don't shoot up a bunch of people, they spray tan and look like jersey shore.
 
2012-12-17 02:40:19 AM

KidneyStone: namatad: AbbeySomeone: namatad: 1) $100,000 in ammo? REALLY? REALLY?
2) could we have a national "WACK JOBS come out of the closest" day?

One day a year, all the crazies come out and talk about the nutty shiat they plan on doing. The cops can round them up and lock them up.
And no, I am not talking about the GOP convention. That is every 4 years.

Cop math.
See also drug seizure threads.

Yah, my really was actually both.
1) 100k ??? LOL cop math
2) 100k is how many rounds??? even at a dollar each that is 100k rounds??? WTF! At $10 a round, which is silly even for cops, that is still 10k rounds ... which is STILL a bit insane. How many days of shooting would that take?? LOL

$100k for 47 guns and ammo isn't that hard to believe. I'm a collector of relatively cheap guns and I prolly have $15k in guns and ammo.

Ever price M1 Garands with all original parts? They're hard to find and wicked expensive.


Have a working one at home. That gun kicks like a bastard though. Honestly, we just have it because my grandfather collected guns (mostly accumulated as family heirlooms, including a pistol one of my grandfathers wielded during the Civil War. We fought on the losing side.) and my Dad keeps it, along with the other guns Pop had, as heirlooms. Pop left me his shotgun for hunting purposes, so I hunt with that during deer season.
 
2012-12-17 02:40:20 AM
Want to protect kids in school? Put a strong security system, intake metal detector, bag check and armed (hopefully sane) professional guard or cop in every school.

Short of the perp's Mom not owning firearms, or not giving her son access to them, there's nothing else that would have prevented the kids' murders. She was not under any obligation to secure her firearms. I doubt that she expected the perp to shoot her, otherwise she would have better secured them.

Mental health checks for gun ownership would not have worked here, neither would increased mental health care if the perp was an adult refusing care.

We must own up to the fact that violence in US society requires that, for safety, our schools must be set up like high security compounds, because that may have prevented this.

Our other options are that we start finding remote educational alternatives to classrooms, or we put up with more school shootings.
 
2012-12-17 02:44:04 AM

BuckTurgidson: thisisarepeat: BuckTurgidson: thisisarepeat: BuckTurgidson: lewismarktwo: Dollars to donuts most of this guy's collection were either collectables or not in working order/rusted to shiat.

I'll take that bet.

He's got you. People "collect" every damn thing.

See my followup, but that doesn't mean they're not fetishists.

Shall we outlaw fetishes?

Not at all. But we can all exercise our First-Amendment right to mock whichever fetishists we choose to mock. As a gun-owning supporter of concealed and open carry who does not support any form of "assault weapon ban" or similar firearms restrictions, I choose to mock gun fetishists.

Because they are farked up psychos.



Perfect. Can you send me a link that is especially designed for mass murderers?
 
2012-12-17 02:46:25 AM

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Want to protect kids in school? Put a strong security system, intake metal detector, bag check and armed (hopefully sane) professional guard or cop in every school.

Short of the perp's Mom not owning firearms, or not giving her son access to them, there's nothing else that would have prevented the kids' murders. She was not under any obligation to secure her firearms. I doubt that she expected the perp to shoot her, otherwise she would have better secured them.

Mental health checks for gun ownership would not have worked here, neither would increased mental health care if the perp was an adult refusing care.

We must own up to the fact that violence in US society requires that, for safety, our schools must be set up like high security compounds, because that may have prevented this.

Our other options are that we start finding remote educational alternatives to classrooms, or we put up with more school shootings.


The only necessary thing is an armed cop at every school. Everything else is too much and it takes too much resources from education. School shootings, though horrifying, are extremely rare.
 
2012-12-17 02:46:30 AM

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Want to protect kids in school? Put a strong security system, intake metal detector, bag check and armed (hopefully sane) professional guard or cop in every school.

Short of the perp's Mom not owning firearms, or not giving her son access to them, there's nothing else that would have prevented the kids' murders. She was not under any obligation to secure her firearms. I doubt that she expected the perp to shoot her, otherwise she would have better secured them.

Mental health checks for gun ownership would not have worked here, neither would increased mental health care if the perp was an adult refusing care.

We must own up to the fact that violence in US society requires that, for safety, our schools must be set up like high security compounds, because that may have prevented this.

Our other options are that we start finding remote educational alternatives to classrooms, or we put up with more school shootings.


High security compounds? You lost me with that one.
 
2012-12-17 02:48:32 AM

thisisarepeat: BuckTurgidson: thisisarepeat: BuckTurgidson: thisisarepeat: BuckTurgidson: lewismarktwo: Dollars to donuts most of this guy's collection were either collectables or not in working order/rusted to shiat.

I'll take that bet.

He's got you. People "collect" every damn thing.

See my followup, but that doesn't mean they're not fetishists.

Shall we outlaw fetishes?

Not at all. But we can all exercise our First-Amendment right to mock whichever fetishists we choose to mock. As a gun-owning supporter of concealed and open carry who does not support any form of "assault weapon ban" or similar firearms restrictions, I choose to mock gun fetishists.

Because they are farked up psychos.


Perfect. Can you send me a link that is especially designed for mass murderers?


So that I might mock them of course, as opposed to the peoples douche-bag representatives against Hemingway.
 
2012-12-17 02:52:01 AM

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Want to protect kids in school? Put a strong security system, intake metal detector, bag check and armed (hopefully sane) professional guard or cop in every school.

Short of the perp's Mom not owning firearms, or not giving her son access to them, there's nothing else that would have prevented the kids' murders. She was not under any obligation to secure her firearms. I doubt that she expected the perp to shoot her, otherwise she would have better secured them.

Mental health checks for gun ownership would not have worked here, neither would increased mental health care if the perp was an adult refusing care.

We must own up to the fact that violence in US society requires that, for safety, our schools must be set up like high security compounds, because that may have prevented this.

Our other options are that we start finding remote educational alternatives to classrooms, or we put up with more school shootings.


or maybe start mental healthcare from childhood instead of waiting until american culture farked them up all their school lives. He probably cracked because he didn't know how to communicate, and spent most of his life alone, which farks with your brain.

Just ask any vietnam veteran that was put in solitary confinement as a POW, such as John McCain.
 
2012-12-17 02:52:06 AM
Too bad Indiana doesn't have a Casenet that can be searched by name. I'm guessing this isn't the first time he's threatened (committed) bodily harm to(on) this wife. Somewhat drunk and really. pi*sed that cops showed up for the putative bar-b-q? A bit of impotent rage mouthed impulsively?

Father-in-law had a stroke, he had his pickup and house trailer and before he had recovered enough to walk a straight line he wanted to take off. State wouldn't revoke his license or retest him. His daughters took his license and he tried to beat them up and get it from them. He wasn't charged but, instead, taken to a nursing home. I was standing at the intake desk when the nurse asked him if he wouldn't feel terrible if he ran into a bus full of children. FIL spewed(spit) some invective and said "that's their bad luck". And, yes, he was back on the road three months later, had so many minor accidents that he could no longer afford insurance and got popped for driving without (tried to punch the cop - that ended his search for a farmer's market).

Mental health screening is all well and good but getting a court order to force adequate meds? Good luck with that (Loughner, when in the Fed Diagnostic Center, in Missouri, threw tables/chairs at staff and attacked doc and nurse before judge would order forced medication).

The vast majority of folks suffering from a full blown `thought disorder', who aren't medicated (at least enough meds to be oriented to person/place/time/circumstance), are usually more dangerous to themselves owing to disorganization. Those individuals who are slowly, but surely, descending into their initial acute psychosis are slightly more likely to strike out (majority towards family members and not often fatal). However, sociopathy/psycohopathy and lesser personality disorders? Screened/or not they might well keep smiling as they pull the trigger (`he was such a nice young man..."). 

/folks should just be the best parents they can manage to be `exemplary prophets' not `prescriptive' arseholes
//better than nothing as lawyers will keep lawyering and guns will continue to circulate
 
2012-12-17 02:52:34 AM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Popcorn Johnny: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x353]

Over in your left column, I would put one name: King George III

Yes, for you pedants, that was before the Constitution, the BoR and the 2nd Amendment. But that is why we have the 2nd Amendment.


THANK you for adding sanity and perspective to this argument. The 2nd amendment is in place as one of the checks on centralized power. It is a power put in place for the people to counter the government, like freedom of speech and assembly (and civilian control of the military, and so on).

I imagine that lone lunatics who gain access to firearms kill hundreds of people each year worldwide. But I am also sure that whatever body count they muster is small compared to the untold millions that have fallen at the hands of genocide by government or central power. And torture, fear, and false imprisonment. It hasn't happened here on a scale that shocks you, but it could. The Patriot Act had me wondering just how far our government would go.

I am moved by this tragedy but unmoved in my support of the right to bear arms.
 
2012-12-17 02:57:05 AM

Leet Jesus: YouPeopleAreCrazy: Popcorn Johnny: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x353]

Over in your left column, I would put one name: King George III

Yes, for you pedants, that was before the Constitution, the BoR and the 2nd Amendment. But that is why we have the 2nd Amendment.

THANK you for adding sanity and perspective to this argument. The 2nd amendment is in place as one of the checks on centralized power. It is a power put in place for the people to counter the government, like freedom of speech and assembly (and civilian control of the military, and so on).

I imagine that lone lunatics who gain access to firearms kill hundreds of people each year worldwide. But I am also sure that whatever body count they muster is small compared to the untold millions that have fallen at the hands of genocide by government or central power. And torture, fear, and false imprisonment. It hasn't happened here on a scale that shocks you, but it could. The Patriot Act had me wondering just how far our government would go.

I am moved by this tragedy but unmoved in my support of the right to bear arms.


I don't see the American government ever having to attack its citizens, as long as its citizens don't mind the government killing all the brown people it wants.
 
2012-12-17 03:02:39 AM

Gdalescrboz: Max Awesome SmartestFunniest 2012-12-17 01:37:03 AM


Gdalescrboz: Max Awesome
Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.

When you call it "target practice" it dimes you out as one of those people who are legitimately scared of guns, like they are going to grop legs at night and strangle you. You only make having a reasonable debate about gun policies impossible when you say stuff like this. It's like hearing some bible basher say "why is teaching kids about men farking each other in the ass considered education?" fark yourself, really

You should be scared of guns, moron. They're not toys.

See above. I'm very familiar with shooting rifles. I was taught responsible gun safety by the Scouts.

Are you scared of cars? Are you scared of karate? Are you scared of large quantities of H2O? Stop being a schmuck


Hell yeah I'm scared of cars. I narrowly survived an idiot who ran a red light and t-boned me in an intersection. Thanks lady, for the concussion, broken bones and life-long back problems. Cars should be treated with as much caution as guns.

In fact, just as with driving, responsible gun owners should be required to take a gun-safety course before being allowed to own guns, and be licensed just like drivers.
 
2012-12-17 03:02:50 AM

Rockstone: That's not what SCOTUS has interpreted it as, so don't worry.


...until we get a different SCOTUS.
 
2012-12-17 03:03:48 AM

Pincy: Notabunny: Pincy: The more you eat the more you fart: Pincy: Max Awesome: Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.

This times infinity plus one.

Guns should not be considered cool toys that are fun to play with. They are necessary evils at best.

Oh puh-lease.

Get a grip dude...a necessary evil?

Im a hunter. My people are hunters. Have been for hundreds of years. Thats evil to you?!

Well, you don't need a gun to hunt. People were eating meat well before we had guns. But ya, I don't consider the act of hunting to be evil.

I'm pretty much the libbiest libtard who ever libbed. I'm all for gun control. I'm also a hunter. Target practice is a fun family activity. It takes skill, practice, control, and responsibility. Seeing your own skills improve, and teaching others, is very rewarding.

Well if you are the libbiest lib then I'm second to you. I have a feeling you and I would get along just fine if we ever met. So don't take this as a personal insult to you because I don't intend it to be. I just don't like the idea of equating guns with fun. I'm not saying there isn't a reason for people to be proficient with guns. I just think we should treat them as what they are, tools for killing things, and usually we don't think of those sorts of things as fun.


No offense taken. I completely understand.
 
2012-12-17 03:10:39 AM
Max Awesome


Gdalescrboz: Max Awesome SmartestFunniest 2012-12-17 01:37:03 AM


Gdalescrboz: Max Awesome
Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.

When you call it "target practice" it dimes you out as one of those people who are legitimately scared of guns, like they are going to grop legs at night and strangle you. You only make having a reasonable debate about gun policies impossible when you say stuff like this. It's like hearing some bible basher say "why is teaching kids about men farking each other in the ass considered education?" fark yourself, really

You should be scared of guns, moron. They're not toys.

See above. I'm very familiar with shooting rifles. I was taught responsible gun safety by the Scouts.

Are you scared of cars? Are you scared of karate? Are you scared of large quantities of H2O? Stop being a schmuck

Hell yeah I'm scared of cars. I narrowly survived an idiot who ran a red light and t-boned me in an intersection. Thanks lady, for the concussion, broken bones and life-long back problems. Cars should be treated with as much caution as guns.

In fact, just as with driving, responsible gun owners should be required to take a gun-safety course before being allowed to own guns, and be licensed just like drivers.


You sound easily scared. Are you still waiting for those WMDs to be found in Iraq? Look out, its code Orange today, that means terrorists are gonna getchya
 
2012-12-17 03:12:04 AM

BuckTurgidson: thisisarepeat: BuckTurgidson: thisisarepeat: BuckTurgidson: lewismarktwo: Dollars to donuts most of this guy's collection were either collectables or not in working order/rusted to shiat.

I'll take that bet.

He's got you. People "collect" every damn thing.

See my followup, but that doesn't mean they're not fetishists.

Shall we outlaw fetishes?

Not at all. But we can all exercise our First-Amendment right to mock whichever fetishists we choose to mock. As a gun-owning supporter of concealed and open carry who does not support any form of "assault weapon ban" or similar firearms restrictions, I choose to mock gun fetishists.

Because they are farked up psychos.


Good for you...yours is hairy truck drivers and traffic cones...mine is something completely different.
 
2012-12-17 03:14:36 AM

Gdalescrboz: Max Awesome


Gdalescrboz: Max Awesome SmartestFunniest 2012-12-17 01:37:03 AM


Gdalescrboz: Max Awesome
Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.

When you call it "target practice" it dimes you out as one of those people who are legitimately scared of guns, like they are going to grop legs at night and strangle you. You only make having a reasonable debate about gun policies impossible when you say stuff like this. It's like hearing some bible basher say "why is teaching kids about men farking each other in the ass considered education?" fark yourself, really

You should be scared of guns, moron. They're not toys.

See above. I'm very familiar with shooting rifles. I was taught responsible gun safety by the Scouts.

Are you scared of cars? Are you scared of karate? Are you scared of large quantities of H2O? Stop being a schmuck

Hell yeah I'm scared of cars. I narrowly survived an idiot who ran a red light and t-boned me in an intersection. Thanks lady, for the concussion, broken bones and life-long back problems. Cars should be treated with as much caution as guns.

In fact, just as with driving, responsible gun owners should be required to take a gun-safety course before being allowed to own guns, and be licensed just like drivers.


You sound easily scared. Are you still waiting for those WMDs to be found in Iraq? Look out, its code Orange today, that means terrorists are gonna getchya


Is there anything else that people should change, regarding anything you obviously know nothing about?
 
2012-12-17 03:22:04 AM

Rockstone: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Want to protect kids in school? Put a strong security system, intake metal detector, bag check and armed (hopefully sane) professional guard or cop in every school.

Short of the perp's Mom not owning firearms, or not giving her son access to them, there's nothing else that would have prevented the kids' murders. She was not under any obligation to secure her firearms. I doubt that she expected the perp to shoot her, otherwise she would have better secured them.

Mental health checks for gun ownership would not have worked here, neither would increased mental health care if the perp was an adult refusing care.

We must own up to the fact that violence in US society requires that, for safety, our schools must be set up like high security compounds, because that may have prevented this.

Our other options are that we start finding remote educational alternatives to classrooms, or we put up with more school shootings.

The only necessary thing is an armed cop at every school. Everything else is too much and it takes too much resources from education. School shootings, though horrifying, are extremely rare.


GRmh! Farkin-rapist-ass =pigs! Fine i'll settle for one cop (pig piece of shiat not worthy of hanging) per 1000 students. As long as we have one (ARMED) responsible adult per 100 students.
 
2012-12-17 03:26:10 AM

Gdalescrboz:

You sound easily scared. Are you still waiting for those WMDs to be found in Iraq? Look out, its code Orange today, that means terrorists are gonna getchya


lol. Terrorists are not something I waste a lot of time worrying about. Admittedly, I wasn't as concerned about other drivers until one ran a red light and hit my drivers-side door at full speed. Now after first-hand experience I'm a bit more paranoid about idiot drivers.

Nothing wrong with being cautious around tools that can easily main and kill. There are far too many idiot drivers and idiot gun-owners out there.
 
2012-12-17 03:26:16 AM

Gdalescrboz: Max Awesome


Gdalescrboz: Max Awesome SmartestFunniest 2012-12-17 01:37:03 AM


Gdalescrboz: Max Awesome
Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.

When you call it "target practice" it dimes you out as one of those people who are legitimately scared of guns, like they are going to grop legs at night and strangle you. You only make having a reasonable debate about gun policies impossible when you say stuff like this. It's like hearing some bible basher say "why is teaching kids about men farking each other in the ass considered education?" fark yourself, really

You should be scared of guns, moron. They're not toys.

See above. I'm very familiar with shooting rifles. I was taught responsible gun safety by the Scouts.

Are you scared of cars? Are you scared of karate? Are you scared of large quantities of H2O? Stop being a schmuck

Hell yeah I'm scared of cars. I narrowly survived an idiot who ran a red light and t-boned me in an intersection. Thanks lady, for the concussion, broken bones and life-long back problems. Cars should be treated with as much caution as guns.

In fact, just as with driving, responsible gun owners should be required to take a gun-safety course before being allowed to own guns, and be licensed just like drivers.


You sound easily scared. Are you still waiting for those WMDs to be found in Iraq? Look out, its code Orange today, that means terrorists are gonna getchya


There is nothing wrong with a healthy fear. Fear is not always a weakness or bad thing. I drove a motorcycle to work for many years. Your damn right I had a healthy fear of being hit and killed by some idiot who wasn't paying attention. I guarantee you that that fear save me more than once. Fear can make you more attentive to your environment. It keeps you on your toes. Granted, it can also be taken to the extreme and become a hinderance. But then again, so can our obsession with guns.

Personally, I think we have lost a little too much of that healthy fear of guns. I think we view them too much as toys that are fun and forget that ultimately they are for killing things.
 
2012-12-17 03:30:26 AM
I think its time for a Christmas quote. One from the ghost of Christmas present. "Look here! Beneath my robe! Look at them!
 
2012-12-17 03:36:28 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Gyrfalcon: tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert: Well truthfully I agree with everything you just said, I mean we have gun control in this country, and really I think it's alright except for those places that are trying to restrict gun ownership or make it too costly.

Second well it's servers not waitress ; ) You know like it's not mailmen it's poastalcarriers : ) But ya some of those guys behind the line get really peaved and I know I was generally the one pissing them of my first year waitressing : )

And I'm so glad Pres. Obama mentioned nothing about new gun control laws tonight, while I was watching I was all oh please don't go there. I really do think this is a healthcare/mental health thing as well as economic and education.

Also the very last thing I want is another dumb law passed in haste and irrational fear(hint the patriot act)

Wouldn't a "postal carrier" be someone carrying around a post all day long?

You do know I was just playing the dumb waitress to make h=Hubie all stabby right?


Yes, but it's still a valid question. ;)
 
2012-12-17 03:37:09 AM

vygramul: Rockstone: pciszek: One interpretation of the constitution is that treaties are the highest law of the land, surpassing even the constitution. The folks who worry about the UN taking over claim that our agreements with the UN have the force of treaty, and therefore take precedence over the constitution.

That's not what SCOTUS has interpreted it as, so don't worry.

One interpretation of the constitution is that potatoes are the highest tubers of the land, surpassing even Bill O'Reilly. The inmates at the asylum who worry about the UN taking over claim that our tubers with the UN have the force of potato, and therefore take precedence over the constitution, which is why the GOP is constantly trying to make a treaty with Saudi Arabia banning all abortion - because, yeah, that would work. My ass also farts cotton candy and my urine is made of diamonds.

/Allow me to make your engagement ring!


Of course they'd surpass Bill O'Reilly. He's just a common tater.
 
2012-12-17 04:13:43 AM

urban.derelict: HE'S NOT A MASS MURDERER HE'S A MULTIPLE MURDERER


Why not "spree-killer?" That's like a shopping spree, except with bullets.
 
2012-12-17 04:15:13 AM

Leet Jesus: YouPeopleAreCrazy: Popcorn Johnny: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x353]

Over in your left column, I would put one name: King George III

Yes, for you pedants, that was before the Constitution, the BoR and the 2nd Amendment. But that is why we have the 2nd Amendment.

THANK you for adding sanity and perspective to this argument. The 2nd amendment is in place as one of the checks on centralized power. It is a power put in place for the people to counter the government, like freedom of speech and assembly (and civilian control of the military, and so on).

I imagine that lone lunatics who gain access to firearms kill hundreds of people each year worldwide. But I am also sure that whatever body count they muster is small compared to the untold millions that have fallen at the hands of genocide by government or central power. And torture, fear, and false imprisonment. It hasn't happened here on a scale that shocks you, but it could. The Patriot Act had me wondering just how far our government would go.

I am moved by this tragedy but unmoved in my support of the right to bear arms.


I'm against bans because sooner or later density of power storage will reach a point where my laptop has the potential energy reserve of a nuclear bomb. Since I want to see what kind of neat toys we can come up with in that far-flung future despite the possibility of near-limitless energy making homemade deathrays a possibility, it behooves me to get the government off this kick of banning civilian ownership of dangerous items.

With that said, your argument is ludicrously stupid. If that is in fact the only point to the 2nd amendment, then it has failed and its time has passed. A thousand soldiers with the right tech could fend off the entire civilian portion of the nation. Probably without a single loss. Quite probably without setting foot anywhere that any civilian firearm could accomplish more than scuff the paint on their armor.
 
2012-12-17 04:21:37 AM

Pincy

Gdalescrboz: Max Awesome


Gdalescrboz: Max Awesome SmartestFunniest 2012-12-17 01:37:03 AM


Gdalescrboz: Max Awesome
Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.

When you call it "target practice" it dimes you out as one of those people who are legitimately scared of guns, like they are going to grop legs at night and strangle you. You only make having a reasonable debate about gun policies impossible when you say stuff like this. It's like hearing some bible basher say "why is teaching kids about men farking each other in the ass considered education?" fark yourself, really

You should be scared of guns, moron. They're not toys.

See above. I'm very familiar with shooting rifles. I was taught responsible gun safety by the Scouts.

Are you scared of cars? Are you scared of karate? Are you scared of large quantities of H2O? Stop being a schmuck

Hell yeah I'm scared of cars. I narrowly survived an idiot who ran a red light and t-boned me in an intersection. Thanks lady, for the concussion, broken bones and life-long back problems. Cars should be treated with as much caution as guns.

In fact, just as with driving, responsible gun owners should be required to take a gun-safety course before being allowed to own guns, and be licensed just like drivers.


You sound easily scared. Are you still waiting for those WMDs to be found in Iraq? Look out, its code Orange today, that means terrorists are gonna getchya

There is nothing wrong with a healthy fear. Fear is not always a weakness or bad thing. I drove a motorcycle to work for many years. Your damn right I had a healthy fear of being hit and killed by some idiot who wasn't paying attention. I guarantee you that that fear save me more than once. Fear can make you more attentive to your environment. It keeps you on your toes. Granted, it can also be taken to the extreme and become a hinderance. But then again, so can our obsession with guns.

Personally, I think we have lost a little too much of that healthy fear of guns. I think we view them too much as toys that are fun and forget that ultimately they are for killing things.


What you guys are mixing is a fear of what happens if you misuse said item, and outright fear of an item. I am not scared of guns, I am however, scared of being shot by a gun. I am not afraid of water, but i am scared of drowining. I am not scared of rocks, but I would be scared of a rock the size of Texas hitting earth. You are not scared of motorcycles, you are scared of being hit while riding your motorcycle. Do you guys see the difference? Probabaly not because you have already made up yoru mind that guns are bad and no amount of reasoning is going to let you see it another way. You guys see them as toys, thats why you keep calling them toys. Anyone who owns a gun does not call it a toy, stop projecting your ignorance
 
2012-12-17 04:23:28 AM

thisisarepeat

Gdalescrboz: Max Awesome


Gdalescrboz: Max Awesome SmartestFunniest 2012-12-17 01:37:03 AM


Gdalescrboz: Max Awesome
Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.

When you call it "target practice" it dimes you out as one of those people who are legitimately scared of guns, like they are going to grop legs at night and strangle you. You only make having a reasonable debate about gun policies impossible when you say stuff like this. It's like hearing some bible basher say "why is teaching kids about men farking each other in the ass considered education?" fark yourself, really

You should be scared of guns, moron. They're not toys.

See above. I'm very familiar with shooting rifles. I was taught responsible gun safety by the Scouts.

Are you scared of cars? Are you scared of karate? Are you scared of large quantities of H2O? Stop being a schmuck

Hell yeah I'm scared of cars. I narrowly survived an idiot who ran a red light and t-boned me in an intersection. Thanks lady, for the concussion, broken bones and life-long back problems. Cars should be treated with as much caution as guns.

In fact, just as with driving, responsible gun owners should be required to take a gun-safety course before being allowed to own guns, and be licensed just like drivers.


You sound easily scared. Are you still waiting for those WMDs to be found in Iraq? Look out, its code Orange today, that means terrorists are gonna getchya

Is there anything else that people should change, regarding anything you obviously know nothing about?


You done did went full retard. Way to jump in to a conversation and get mixed up on who is being irrational about changing things they know nothing about
 
2012-12-17 04:50:26 AM

LowbrowDeluxe: Leet Jesus: YouPeopleAreCrazy: Popcorn Johnny: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x353]

Over in your left column, I would put one name: King George III

Yes, for you pedants, that was before the Constitution, the BoR and the 2nd Amendment. But that is why we have the 2nd Amendment.

THANK you for adding sanity and perspective to this argument. The 2nd amendment is in place as one of the checks on centralized power. It is a power put in place for the people to counter the government, like freedom of speech and assembly (and civilian control of the military, and so on).

I imagine that lone lunatics who gain access to firearms kill hundreds of people each year worldwide. But I am also sure that whatever body count they muster is small compared to the untold millions that have fallen at the hands of genocide by government or central power. And torture, fear, and false imprisonment. It hasn't happened here on a scale that shocks you, but it could. The Patriot Act had me wondering just how far our government would go.

I am moved by this tragedy but unmoved in my support of the right to bear arms.

I'm against bans because sooner or later density of power storage will reach a point where my laptop has the potential energy reserve of a nuclear bomb. Since I want to see what kind of neat toys we can come up with in that far-flung future despite the possibility of near-limitless energy making homemade deathrays a possibility, it behooves me to get the government off this kick of banning civilian ownership of dangerous items.

With that said, your argument is ludicrously stupid. If that is in fact the only point to the 2nd amendment, then it has failed and its time has passed. A thousand soldiers with the right tech could fend off the entire civilian portion of the nation. Probably without a single loss. Quite probably without setting foot anywhere that any civilian firearm could accomplish more than scuff the paint on their armor.


You are grossly overestimating your intelligence. You are also grossly overestimating the capability of a national army to suppress a popular, armed uprising.

First, the argument was put in place by the founders of the nation. I am simply repeating it since it seems to have been lost among the later arguments for hunting, recreation, and self-protection. Second, there are more than a few examples of an armed population overthrowing a tyrannical government in this year alone. I think it's happening in Syria as we speak.
 
2012-12-17 04:51:19 AM

Rockstone: BuckTurgidson: Rockstone: I'm a freshman in college. I'm a healthy, happy, normal adult, except I'm a bit socially awkward.

Then you don't have "Asperger's Syndrome".

I still think you should be locked up though, and maybe cockpunched.

Aspergers is...characterized by significant difficulties in social interaction, alongside restricted and repetitive patterns of behavior and interests.

Aside from the fact I have actually been diagnosed (not that it matters on the internet), I am socially awkward, and I do have difficulties in social interaction (beyond that of a normal person), and I do have restricted interests (though not AS much as I used to).

I don't know what you think someone with Aspergers is like, but yeah...


Yep. A caricture of Aspergers would be Sheldon from Big Bang Theory. In reality it tends to be a bit more subtle...
 
2012-12-17 04:56:03 AM

OtherLittleGuy: Silly nutjobs.

You want to kill as many people as possible? Become the CEO of a multinational corporation and flaunt regulations.


Flout.
To flaunt is to show off. To flout is to brazenly disregard.

/and yes, this is a pet peevepeave
 
2012-12-17 04:57:01 AM

Gyrfalcon: tinfoil-hat maggie: Gyrfalcon: tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert: Well truthfully I agree with everything you just said, I mean we have gun control in this country, and really I think it's alright except for those places that are trying to restrict gun ownership or make it too costly.

Second well it's servers not waitress ; ) You know like it's not mailmen it's poastalcarriers : ) But ya some of those guys behind the line get really peaved and I know I was generally the one pissing them of my first year waitressing : )

And I'm so glad Pres. Obama mentioned nothing about new gun control laws tonight, while I was watching I was all oh please don't go there. I really do think this is a healthcare/mental health thing as well as economic and education.

Also the very last thing I want is another dumb law passed in haste and irrational fear(hint the patriot act)

Wouldn't a "postal carrier" be someone carrying around a post all day long?

You do know I was just playing the dumb waitress to make h=Hubie all stabby right?

Yes, but it's still a valid question. ;)


Now you're just trying to confuse me because you're smarter than I am, oh well, I'll admit you're right as long as you have waited tables for at least a year ; )
 
2012-12-17 04:57:25 AM

Notabunny: BuckTurgidson: Rockstone: I'm a freshman in college. I'm a healthy, happy, normal adult, except I'm a bit socially awkward.

Then you don't have "Asperger's Syndrome".

I still think you should be locked up though, and maybe cockpunched.

Nobody does


The link simply indicates (correctly) that Asperger's is actually a subset of the autism spectrum, rather than a discrete syndrome in its own right. It in no way suggests that it does not exist.
 
2012-12-17 05:19:05 AM

HotWingAgenda: The_Sponge: HotWingAgenda: Jesus, that is one wealthy homicidal maniac. I don't even have $10,000 worth of anything.


The only thing I own that is worth over $100,000 is my condo.

/Hard to kill somebody with that.

You could take a run at the Wicked Witch of the West.


Yeah. I'm here from your HOA. I'm going to have to fine you for that witch on the communal lawn.
 
2012-12-17 05:23:21 AM
I submitted this with a better headline
 
2012-12-17 05:30:56 AM
Obviously, Indiana allows GOD in THEIR schools. The rest of the country could learn a lesson here and get right with the Lord.
 
2012-12-17 05:35:00 AM
$100K for a 47 gun collection isn't that unbelievable, especially if he'd been building it up over many years. As long as you take care of them, guns are a pretty good investment vehicle.

I got an SKS in 1994 for $85 (500 rd tin of ammo included)... sold it a few years later for $300, IIRC. I sold a bunch of high-cap magazines for about 10x what I paid for them a bit before the Clinton ban expired.

There are lots of guns you could have bought in the 80s or 90s that could easily be worth 5-10x what you paid for them. I don't have anything especially rare or collectable, but even my little 10/22 is worth about 2.5x what I paid for it.
 
2012-12-17 05:48:23 AM
So, the Second Amendment is needed so we can protect ourselves from 2nd graders.
 
2012-12-17 06:00:51 AM
Why does this guy feel the need for all of these guns?......^^^^^^^^See all of the above comments.
 
2012-12-17 06:00:57 AM
Did you guys read any of the comments on TFA? When someone provides a link to an Alex Jones you tube video you know your one a wingbat thread.
 
2012-12-17 06:01:59 AM

AbbeySomeone: namatad: 1) $100,000 in ammo? REALLY? REALLY?...

Cop math.
See also drug seizure threads.


Some friends and I bought M1 Garands through the Civilian Marksmanship Program. Their components came from a variety of manufacturers, so we disassembled them at my house and sorted them into piles so that we could reassemble them more homogeneously. Long story, but a well-meaning neighbor called 911. When the dust settled, the police report estimated that there were 400 weapons in my living room. The actual number was 13.
 
2012-12-17 06:03:42 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: namatad: 1) $100,000 in ammo? REALLY? REALLY?



how did this guy ever afford $100k in ammo? is he a 1%er? did he steal it? I just don't get it.


Judging by his photo, he spent $1,000/year for 100 years on weapons and ammo.
 
2012-12-17 06:12:19 AM

fusillade762: FlashHarry: fark you for linking to the blaze, subtard.

At least there's the tag to warn you. Unlike Free Republic. Almost got tricked into going there the other day.


Actually, the article was pretty... bland... I'm so used to bias on either end of the spectrum.
 
2012-12-17 06:19:25 AM

david_gaithersburg: Why does this guy feel the need for all of these guns?......^^^^^^^^See all of the above comments.


Obamacare will be kicking in soon. Mental health care will be affordable for you. You can't be turned down because of your existing mental illness. Please. Get help. Or you'll end up in an institution, either psychiatric or criminal.

Get help.
 
2012-12-17 06:35:28 AM

ghare: david_gaithersburg: Why does this guy feel the need for all of these guns?......^^^^^^^^See all of the above comments.

Obamacare will be kicking in soon. Mental health care will be affordable for you. You can't be turned down because of your existing mental illness. Please. Get help. Or you'll end up in an institution, either psychiatric or criminal.

Get help.


Ahh, my personal stalking troll. Good morning troll.
 
2012-12-17 06:53:29 AM
ITT

Rational Person: "Perhaps we should put stricter limits on gun ownership."
HERP: "Don't blame the tools, blame the people that use them!"
Rational Person: "Fair enough. Let's invest in mental healthcare so that we might have a chance of stopping these problems before they start."
DERP: "You can't force people to get better!"

/ITT

I would be more sympathetic to gun owners if their reaction to this tragedy was more "What a terrible thing to happen, we should explore actions we can take to minimize incidents like these", and less "Great, Obammy's takin' all my guns away just 'cause 20 kids are dead, hurr."

/Gun owner
 
2012-12-17 07:03:56 AM

namatad: 1) $100,000 in ammo? REALLY? REALLY?
2) could we have a national "WACK JOBS come out of the closest" day?

One day a year, all the crazies come out and talk about the nutty shiat they plan on doing. The cops can round them up and lock them up.
And no, I am not talking about the GOP convention. That is every 4 years.


It happens.

Link
 
2012-12-17 07:06:38 AM

pciszek: One interpretation of the constitution is that treaties are the highest law of the land, surpassing even the constitution. The folks who worry about the UN taking over claim that our agreements with the UN have the force of treaty, and therefore take precedence over the constitution.


Which Supreme Court case that is still good law has ever interpreted the constitution that way?
 
2012-12-17 07:11:41 AM

LowbrowDeluxe: Leet Jesus: YouPeopleAreCrazy: Popcorn Johnny: [i49.tinypic.com image 400x353]

Over in your left column, I would put one name: King George III

Yes, for you pedants, that was before the Constitution, the BoR and the 2nd Amendment. But that is why we have the 2nd Amendment.

THANK you for adding sanity and perspective to this argument. The 2nd amendment is in place as one of the checks on centralized power. It is a power put in place for the people to counter the government, like freedom of speech and assembly (and civilian control of the military, and so on).

I imagine that lone lunatics who gain access to firearms kill hundreds of people each year worldwide. But I am also sure that whatever body count they muster is small compared to the untold millions that have fallen at the hands of genocide by government or central power. And torture, fear, and false imprisonment. It hasn't happened here on a scale that shocks you, but it could. The Patriot Act had me wondering just how far our government would go.

I am moved by this tragedy but unmoved in my support of the right to bear arms.

I'm against bans because sooner or later density of power storage will reach a point where my laptop has the potential energy reserve of a nuclear bomb. Since I want to see what kind of neat toys we can come up with in that far-flung future despite the possibility of near-limitless energy making homemade deathrays a possibility, it behooves me to get the government off this kick of banning civilian ownership of dangerous items.

With that said, your argument is ludicrously stupid. If that is in fact the only point to the 2nd amendment, then it has failed and its time has passed. A thousand soldiers with the right tech could fend off the entire civilian portion of the nation. Probably without a single loss. Quite probably without setting foot anywhere that any civilian firearm could accomplish more than scuff the paint on their armor.


A thousand MODERN soldiers require a HUGE civilian and logistical tail to make full use of that tech. That said, passive resistance is probably more useful against a modern tyrannical government. They don't grow a lot of food on army bases, and your wanna-be dictators are never farmers...that work is HARD.
Stop feeding them, they'll come around quick.

Your 'neat toys' line reminded me of the sci fi classic, Weapon Shops of Isher...
 
2012-12-17 07:14:22 AM
This feels like freedom.
 
2012-12-17 07:26:25 AM

ambassador_ahab: Mr. Coffee Nerves: at the direct order of the United Nations

What, exactly, is the authority the United Nations has over our country?


Comma regulation.
 
2012-12-17 07:30:39 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: NarrMaster: The more you eat the more you fart I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say this: if you have ANY disorder on the "autism spectrum", ANY kind of mood-regulation disorder, or ANY type of organic psychosis, then you should NOT be allowed own, possess, borrow, or even farking TOUCH a firearm without going to jail for...oh...5 years at least.

STOP letting all the motherfarkers that are sick in the farking head get a gun!

/firearm owner who is SICK and TIRED of batshiat crazy people getting guns and making everyone who owns a gun suspect.
//also, tired of them giving ammunition (pun intended) to the anti-gun crowd. Its NOT the guns...its the crazy person holding it.

You are making assumptions. I have bipolar disorder, sooo.....what's your point?


Uhhh, hey there buddy..... um....

...something about a cunning plan..... and not thinking it through.... or something....

No, actually YOU missed the point.

I'd be more than willing to have the FBI dig through my medical records and find out that I'm not prone to violence, if it means that someone who *is* doesn't get to buy a gun.

newsflash: not everyone with bipolar disorder gets violent or delusional or "crazy" as you would understand it to be.

Only the very severe cases do. Doesn't and wouldn't apply to me.

however, my point remains...I, as a gun owner AND a person with bipolar disorder, am willing to compromise and allow a more intrusive background check to be done. Because I understand that SOME people with the same disorder as me ARE prone to violence...i'd rather have my past and my medical records dug through with a fine-tooth comb than have a bunch of little kids killed.

I'm a father. Nothing comes before that. As a father, if it means people will have to give up some of their "privacy" in order to ensure that violently mentally ill people can't get a gun, then so farking be it.

HIPAA law says that medical information is privledged and that no one that doesnt need to know about it has a ...


The same should be done for voting. Even me.
 
2012-12-17 07:31:03 AM
Sounds like an upstanding member of the community.
 
2012-12-17 07:31:28 AM

Rockstone: I have Aspergers Syndrome. Do you think I shouldn't be allowed to use a firearm?


I'd have to meet you IRL, but I wouldn't allow anyone I've known with Asperger's own a gun.
 
2012-12-17 08:09:47 AM
According to the news this morning, most of his guns were antiques.
 
2012-12-17 08:23:44 AM

serial_crusher: But yeah, Obamacare wouldn't help at all. It just increases access to health care, but doesn't do anything to force people to take advantage of it. Having the government medicate or commit unstable people preemptively is going to ruffle a lot of feathers, but it might very well be the best solution.


I don't think you have to force people in. For students especially, it might help for the people who are in regular contact with them (teachers, school nurse, etc) to simply identify who is really in need of counseling so that they can gently nudge them in that direction. Not everyone needs to be on meds or thrown in an institution; a lot of these severely unstable people only get that way after years of stewing in their own turmoil. Proactively helping disturbed kids could prevent the real crazies even before they happen.
 
2012-12-17 08:28:36 AM

Gawdzila: serial_crusher: But yeah, Obamacare wouldn't help at all. It just increases access to health care, but doesn't do anything to force people to take advantage of it. Having the government medicate or commit unstable people preemptively is going to ruffle a lot of feathers, but it might very well be the best solution.

I don't think you have to force people in. For students especially, it might help for the people who are in regular contact with them (teachers, school nurse, etc) to simply identify who is really in need of counseling so that they can gently nudge them in that direction. Not everyone needs to be on meds or thrown in an institution; a lot of these severely unstable people only get that way after years of stewing in their own turmoil. Proactively helping disturbed kids could prevent the real crazies even before they happen.


Beside, who is going to run our corporations?
 
2012-12-17 08:43:55 AM
tinfoil-hat maggie--Stabby is not necessarily the feeling I get from a gal. ;)
 
2012-12-17 08:44:45 AM

cmb53208: Marcintosh: If we can have/suffer under for profit prisons, why can't we have / suffer under for profit mental hospitals?
There's for profit hospitals everywhere. Why not for profit mental hospitals?

or am I thinking logically again?

We had for-profit mental hospitals: remember all the ads for Charter Hospital(s) back in the 80's? Turns out those shiatholes weren't treating anyone, they were just keeping people there until the insurance ran out.


Sorry, no I don't remember-
that's pretty much what the state does though - just warehouse the mentally ill, keep them off the streets and away from the general population. There is no cure for mental illness so what could you expect? It's a dangerous chronic illness.
Big Pharma is just bleeding the insurance company's with patients families in the middle.
 
2012-12-17 08:45:28 AM

Gawdzila: serial_crusher: But yeah, Obamacare wouldn't help at all. It just increases access to health care, but doesn't do anything to force people to take advantage of it. Having the government medicate or commit unstable people preemptively is going to ruffle a lot of feathers, but it might very well be the best solution.

I don't think you have to force people in. For students especially, it might help for the people who are in regular contact with them (teachers, school nurse, etc) to simply identify who is really in need of counseling so that they can gently nudge them in that direction. Not everyone needs to be on meds or thrown in an institution; a lot of these severely unstable people only get that way after years of stewing in their own turmoil. Proactively helping disturbed kids could prevent the real crazies even before they happen.


That's a pretty naive thing to say.
It probably works on some people, but the ones who are problems don't just willingly go to treatment. Human pride is a constant, even across crazy people, so a "gentle nudge" often isn't enough to get somebody to admit they have a problem.

Also consider that meds always have side effects and cost money. That gives people an incentive not to take them unless they genuinely think they have to.

The way it works with my aunt, the longer she's on her meds, the closer to normal she gets. She's never completely normal though, so eventually she gets to the point where she says "gee, I feel pretty good. I think I'm cured" where a normal person would say "gee, I feel pretty good. Better keep doing what I'm doing..." So then she stops taking her meds and goes off the deep end again. Her siblings know, and they've given her a lot more than a "gentle nudge", but she accuses them of not caring about her, not supporting family members in need, even outright conspiring to destroy her. The only thing that gets her back on her meds is the police when she lands back in jail and they're legally allowed to force her onto them again.

But, she only ever commits misdemeanors, so the justice system doesn't really have any long term solution for her. They just put her back on the meds, send her home with a stern warning not to go off the meds again. Yeah guys, that worked out so well last time, why don't you try it again?

Now, the attentive teachers etc might be helpful in getting the guy's access to guns revoked, if we gave them some venue to report his warning signs and get him put on a list whether or not he accepts treatment. But that's only going to hit the small scope of guns. It's a start, but there's still the threat of that same dude going crazy with a knife or hammer or baseball bat, etc. We need to either fix people like that or remove them from society.
 
2012-12-17 08:46:24 AM

NarrMaster: I had
a real conversation on Facebook, and their part wasn't copypasta....


The human race is doomed and it isn't because of guns.

/as I post on Fark
 
2012-12-17 08:47:29 AM
i am confident that all of these people neither know each other or anything else like that but they all just woke up in the am & said i have had it killing spree time, actually that is too absurd to even look at!
 
2012-12-17 08:51:19 AM
$100k in ammo?
~290 cases of 5.56mm (AR ammo)

Being in the gun industry, that is a tad excessive for a personal collection.

That being said, I do have customers who have that much in ammo. But they also have million dollar collections. (rare, military, ect)

I'm down to about 20k rounds of 5.56 myself, or about 20 days at the range with buddies.
 
2012-12-17 08:59:10 AM
Well if you're going to massacre people you might as well do it with deluxe bullets.
 
2012-12-17 09:13:25 AM

Max Awesome: The more you eat the more you fart: Max Awesome:
Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.

Obviously, you have never been.

Not true. I was a target-shooting champion. Won multiple trophies for my scout troop from the ages of 13-16. Shooting rifles laying on my stomach in the sniper position.
But those were highly-organized and structured events and practices as part of an organization that constantly reinforced respect for the power and danger of the gun and to not ever shoot one with a human being in our eye-line.

The casual attitude to gun safety in the US just amazes me. The fact that you can just go shooting for an afternoon with your family as if it was as game of golf or bowling is astonishing. Especially when that parent may be a complete idiot who has no ability to teach their child how handle a gun or to value human life whatsoever.


It's called prone. And anyone who has done any proper shooting would know that. I call BS.
 
2012-12-17 09:16:25 AM

ambassador_ahab: pciszek: One interpretation of the constitution is that treaties are the highest law of the land, surpassing even the constitution. The folks who worry about the UN taking over claim that our agreements with the UN have the force of treaty, and therefore take precedence over the constitution.

Which Supreme Court case that is still good law has ever interpreted the constitution that way?


Dunno. Someone asked why the right wing thinks that the UN has power over the US; I was giving their reason.
 
2012-12-17 09:33:04 AM
If he has 94 arms so he can shoot them all at the same time that'd be even scarier.
 
2012-12-17 09:41:58 AM

you have pee hands: If he has 94 arms so he can shoot them all at the same time that'd be even scarier.


Why do we allow people to own multiples house or cars? You can only use one at a time.
 
2012-12-17 09:52:34 AM

StoPPeRmobile: Why do we allow people to own multiples house or cars? You can only use one at a time.


I'm not saying he* shouldn't be allowed to own 47 guns, I'm saying that 47 guns isn't really any scarier than, say, 2 or 3. One guy can only carry so much shiat.

*The general 'he'. Clearly THIS PARTICULAR GUY shouldn't be allowed to own any guns because he's crazy.
 
2012-12-17 10:00:43 AM

you have pee hands: StoPPeRmobile: Why do we allow people to own multiples house or cars? You can only use one at a time.

I'm not saying he* shouldn't be allowed to own 47 guns, I'm saying that 47 guns isn't really any scarier than, say, 2 or 3. One guy can only carry so much shiat.

*The general 'he'. Clearly THIS PARTICULAR GUY shouldn't be allowed to own any guns because he's crazy.


I hear ya.

How will we catch the smart, crazy people, in advance?
 
2012-12-17 10:03:54 AM

invisbob: $100k in ammo?
~290 cases of 5.56mm (AR ammo)

Being in the gun industry, that is a tad excessive for a personal collection.

That being said, I do have customers who have that much in ammo. But they also have million dollar collections. (rare, military, ect)

I'm down to about 20k rounds of 5.56 myself, or about 20 days at the range with buddies.


With 47 guns, I'm betting he has a broad range of calibers. If so, he could have as little as about 30 cases of each.
 
2012-12-17 10:09:26 AM

serial_crusher: That's a pretty naive thing to say.


Not especially.


serial_crusher: It probably works on some people


Right. I didn't say that I thought it would work on everyone, or even most people.
But it will work for some, and perhaps more than you believe.


serial_crusher: the ones who are problems don't just willingly go to treatment. Human pride is a constant, even across crazy people, so a "gentle nudge" often isn't enough to get somebody to admit they have a problem.


First, the whole point is to get to these people before they become problems. Second, good counselors don't generally tell people that they have "a problem". They just find out what is bothering them and try to alleviate it. Such a thing need not be presented as therapy, they only need to engage in a dialogue with the counselor. If you don't portray them as a lunatic in need of a shrink, you might be surprised how many people are willing to open up about things; the proverbial "cry for help" is not terribly uncommon.


serial_crusher: Also consider that meds always have side effects and cost money. That gives people an incentive not to take them unless they genuinely think they have to.


Perhaps you missed my point.
The objective of such an idea would not be to identify severely disturbed individuals and medicate them. The objective is to identify people who are troubled but relatively normal and offer them counseling before they become severely disturbed. Yeah, it won't help get rid of the people who are severely farked up in irrevocable ways, but I'd submit that most people who might be prone to this sort of stuff aren't actually like that. They're kids who started without severe mental issues and obtained them over time for whatever reason, be it home life, or some other issue left untreated. Doing cursory psych evaluations of kids every couple years or so would serve many purposes, from normalizing the idea of having mental "check-ups", to helping counselors identify kids who might have problems later and giving them a pretext for talking to them, and I bet it would help identify cases of child abuse more proactively as well. Adolescence is a period of great turmoil for a lot of kids, I don't think keeping tabs on their mental health could possibly be a bad idea.

I'm under no impression that this would be 100% effective, but you seemed to think that my idea amounted to simply suggesting to severely disturbed high school kids that they should go get medicated. I honestly struggle to think of a less accurate characterization.
 
2012-12-17 10:14:12 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: If a drunk gets behind the wheel of a car and kills a busload of people, do you blame the CAR? No...you blame the arsehole drunk. Same with guns. Blame the person, not the tool.


In your analogy, only one of the products kills as a result of the intent of its purpose and design.

So, apples to aardvarks.

This is why I think a Products Liability approach should be taken to reduce the production of certain guns: the are Inherently Dangerous when used for their intended purpose.
 
2012-12-17 10:30:04 AM

mr lawson: sethen320: The_Sponge: sethen320: The_Sponge: HotWingAgenda: Jesus, that is one wealthy homicidal maniac. I don't even have $10,000 worth of anything.


The only thing I own that is worth over $100,000 is my condo.

/Hard to kill somebody with that.

Yes, we get it. You're very proud of yourself and you're doing very well. We are all very happy you paid over 100K for a condo. You have hereby been recognized and your own self-worth is affirmed.

Do you have anything which may actually contribute to the conversation, or would you like to tell us how much your car is worth too?


Wow.....what crawled up your ass?

Nothing, it's a peeve of mine I guess. In normal conversation it's generally considered rude. The person you answered mentioned a value of 10K and you upped the ante and decided to let us know you spent 10 times that. Not relevant, and it sounds like bragging. If you had used the original 10K as a point, at least then it would have had relevance. Maybe I'm just being a dick, sorry if you're offended. I'll shut up about it now.

you sound poor
/your pet peeve sucks


My pet peeves are:

-Drivers who tailgate me (I go through a lot of windshield fluid because of this)

-people who stand on one side of the grocery store aisle with their cart next to them blocking the other side. Assholes.

-people who clip their fingernails at work every morning. Clip. Clip. Clip. Clip. Clip. Clip. Clip. Clip. Clip. Clip. It gets annoying.
 
2012-12-17 10:45:10 AM

giftedmadness: mr lawson: sethen320: The_Sponge: sethen320: The_Sponge: HotWingAgenda: Jesus, that is one wealthy homicidal maniac. I don't even have $10,000 worth of anything.


The only thing I own that is worth over $100,000 is my condo.

/Hard to kill somebody with that.

Yes, we get it. You're very proud of yourself and you're doing very well. We are all very happy you paid over 100K for a condo. You have hereby been recognized and your own self-worth is affirmed.

Do you have anything which may actually contribute to the conversation, or would you like to tell us how much your car is worth too?


Wow.....what crawled up your ass?

Nothing, it's a peeve of mine I guess. In normal conversation it's generally considered rude. The person you answered mentioned a value of 10K and you upped the ante and decided to let us know you spent 10 times that. Not relevant, and it sounds like bragging. If you had used the original 10K as a point, at least then it would have had relevance. Maybe I'm just being a dick, sorry if you're offended. I'll shut up about it now.

you sound poor
/your pet peeve sucks

I agree with mr lawson. you sounded like a huge douche by bragging that you paid for a 100k condo. it added zero the the conversation and was not funny or meaningful in any way.


Telling this guy he has enough guns would be like telling farkers they have enough porn.
 
2012-12-17 11:00:05 AM

Artisan Sandwich: Max Awesome: The more you eat the more you fart: Max Awesome:
Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.

Obviously, you have never been.

Not true. I was a target-shooting champion. Won multiple trophies for my scout troop from the ages of 13-16. Shooting rifles laying on my stomach in the sniper position.
But those were highly-organized and structured events and practices as part of an organization that constantly reinforced respect for the power and danger of the gun and to not ever shoot one with a human being in our eye-line.

The casual attitude to gun safety in the US just amazes me. The fact that you can just go shooting for an afternoon with your family as if it was as game of golf or bowling is astonishing. Especially when that parent may be a complete idiot who has no ability to teach their child how handle a gun or to value human life whatsoever.

It's called prone. And anyone who has done any proper shooting would know that. I call BS.


He said it was for a scout troop competition. He got his shooting merit badge.

/kicked ass at muzzle loading
 
2012-12-17 11:01:31 AM
the fact that this guy exists is the reason i own a gun.
 
2012-12-17 11:09:27 AM

Biness: the fact that this guy exists is the reason i own a gun.


the reason police exist is to arrest u when u fire that thing
 
2012-12-17 11:20:03 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: Biness: the fact that this guy exists is the reason i own a gun.

the reason police exist is to arrest u when u fire that thing


You know it is sometimes legal to use a gun. Laws, how do they work?
 
2012-12-17 11:27:24 AM

Biness: Jon iz teh kewl: Biness: the fact that this guy exists is the reason i own a gun.

the reason police exist is to arrest u when u fire that thing

You know it is sometimes legal to use a gun. Laws, how do they work?


i guess u could *say* that your standing your ground
worked so well for Zimmerman
 
2012-12-17 11:32:05 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: Biness: Jon iz teh kewl: Biness: the fact that this guy exists is the reason i own a gun.

the reason police exist is to arrest u when u fire that thing

You know it is sometimes legal to use a gun. Laws, how do they work?

i guess u could *say* that your standing your ground
worked so well for Zimmerman


what i said wasn't really that controversial. In a world full of violence, its nice to be able to counter that for me and my family. If a guy like this broke into my house, at least I have a chance.
 
2012-12-17 11:39:43 AM

Biness: Jon iz teh kewl: Biness: Jon iz teh kewl: Biness: the fact that this guy exists is the reason i own a gun.

the reason police exist is to arrest u when u fire that thing

You know it is sometimes legal to use a gun. Laws, how do they work?

i guess u could *say* that your standing your ground
worked so well for Zimmerman

what i said wasn't really that controversial. In a world full of violence, its nice to be able to counter that for me and my family. If a guy like this broke into my house, at least I have a chance.


If I pulled a gun and killed the Newtown shooter before he could kill 20 children, and the police determined I had acted illegally, I would go to prison with a smile on my face.
 
2012-12-17 11:41:57 AM

Biness: Jon iz teh kewl: Biness: Jon iz teh kewl: Biness: the fact that this guy exists is the reason i own a gun.

the reason police exist is to arrest u when u fire that thing

You know it is sometimes legal to use a gun. Laws, how do they work?

i guess u could *say* that your standing your ground
worked so well for Zimmerman

what i said wasn't really that controversial. In a world full of violence, its nice to be able to counter that for me and my family. If a guy like this broke into my house, at least I have a chance.


a chance to kill someone?

why not just let him do what he wants to do and call the cops later??
 
2012-12-17 11:43:46 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: Biness: Jon iz teh kewl: Biness: Jon iz teh kewl: Biness: the fact that this guy exists is the reason i own a gun.

the reason police exist is to arrest u when u fire that thing

You know it is sometimes legal to use a gun. Laws, how do they work?

i guess u could *say* that your standing your ground
worked so well for Zimmerman

what i said wasn't really that controversial. In a world full of violence, its nice to be able to counter that for me and my family. If a guy like this broke into my house, at least I have a chance.

a chance to kill someone?

why not just let him do what he wants to do and call the cops later??


i see what you did there
 
2012-12-17 11:44:59 AM

Artisan Sandwich: It's called prone. And anyone who has done any proper shooting would know that. I call BS.


THIS.

If you're going to bullshiat, at least learn the proper terminology.
 
2012-12-17 11:59:17 AM
We need to take a cue from Mega Man/Barret and start surgically grafting cannons to our non-dominant arms. That way EVERYONE is packing at all times and (if you believe the psychological impacts of mutually assured destruction) no one will get blasted!

Another fun psychological experiment would be to put chips in everyone's head and, if at least X number of other humans decide they wish for you to die, the chip instantly explodes. Sort of like that Simpsons episode with the shock buzzer, except at a terrifying and global scale. Not sure what X would have to be, though. 1000? 10000? 1000000? Would any elected country leaders last more than 10 minutes?
 
2012-12-17 12:03:45 PM

Max Awesome: The more you eat the more you fart: Max Awesome:
Seriously, why is target practice considered a wholesome family activity?! That's absolutely insane.

Obviously, you have never been.

Not true. I was a target-shooting champion. Won multiple trophies for my scout troop from the ages of 13-16. Shooting rifles laying on my stomach in the sniper position.

But those were highly-organized and structured events and practices as part of an organization that constantly reinforced respect for the power and danger of the gun and to not ever shoot one with a human being in our eye-line.

The casual attitude to gun safety in the US just amazes me. The fact that you can just go shooting for an afternoon with your family as if it was as game of golf or bowling is astonishing. Especially when that parent may be a complete idiot who has no ability to teach their child how handle a gun or to value human life whatsoever.


Lulz
 
2012-12-17 12:06:09 PM
 
2012-12-17 12:12:25 PM
Really? I'm the first to make this connection?

www.theblaze.com
img.poptower.com
 
2012-12-17 12:22:18 PM

Gawdzila: I'm under no impression that this would be 100% effective, but you seemed to think that my idea amounted to simply suggesting to severely disturbed high school kids that they should go get medicated. I honestly struggle to think of a less accurate characterization.


The first problem with your proposal is the enormous potential for abuse. A system such as you propose will inevitably be used to penalize the 'weird' kids and the diagnoses will reflect the personal bias of the school pshrink. This is already a very real problem in the military, where the psych review process is routinely used to punish whistle-blowers, gays, atheists, pagans, and otherwise unpopular troops. It's something that I've witnessed first-hand. Police departments also like to use this gambit as a way to silence internal critics, reformers, and whistle-blowers.

The second problem is that you're dealing with the law of very small numbers. The average school cohort (grade year) is around 3.7 million nationwide, so (rounding off) that makes roughly 15 million kids in high school at any given time. According to WHO, incidence of schizophrenia is 3 per 10,000. That gives you 450 high schools students who are legitimately schizophrenic. (Not all of them are dangerous, and there are dangerous people with other illnesses, but that's a different issue - we're only talking ballpark figures here)

Now let's say that your diagnosis process is 99% effective: 1% of real psychos will slip through, and 1% of non-psychos will be falsely diagnosed. That means 4 or 5 sick people will go undetected, and 150,000 kids will be mistakenly diagnosed. For every real psycho you catch, you will have falsely accused, stigmatized, and "treated" 333 innocent people. To put it another way, 99.7% of the time, you're crying wolf, and potentially destroying someone's life in the process. You would be doing A LOT more harm than good.
 
2012-12-17 12:23:37 PM

RobFMJ: Lulz


Hey, the competition was at a Marine Core base. That's entirely legit.
 
2012-12-17 12:44:59 PM
As a resident of Indiana, I apologize... We have a LOT of idiots.
 
2012-12-17 12:54:03 PM

Gdalescrboz: What you guys are mixing is a fear of what happens if you misuse said item, and outright fear of an item. I am not scared of guns, I am however, scared of being shot by a gun. I am not afraid of water, but i am scared of drowining. I am not scared of rocks, but I would be scared of a rock the size of Texas hitting earth. You are not scared of motorcycles, you are scared of being hit while riding your motorcycle. Do you guys see the difference? Probabaly not because you have already made up yoru mind that guns are bad and no amount of reasoning is going to let you see it another way. You guys see them as toys, thats why you keep calling them toys. Anyone who owns a gun does not call it a toy, stop projecting your ignorance


Your argument is ridiculous. Of course no one is scared of a gun that will never be used by anyone. But then there would be no point in making guns if no one is ever going to use them. Guns and people go together. So when I say I have a healthy fear of guns it goes without saying that it means I have a healthy fear of guns when used by people (i.e. being shot by someone).

And as far as people referring to guns as toys, you are wrong, it has already happened with people I've had discussions with in other gun threads. And just because they don't call it a "toy" doesn't mean they don't treat it like a toy.

I understand that guns are not going away and that sometimes there is a legitimate use for them. I'm not someone who wants to get rid of all guns. I just don't like the gun culture we have.
 
2012-12-17 01:07:35 PM

Pincy: I just don't like the gun culture we have.


In other words "Stop doing things I don't like".

Good grief, you farking gun-grabbers are as bad as the Religious Right.
 
2012-12-17 02:03:19 PM
It's certainly already been done here in this thread by others, but allow me to also state my opposition to gun control and wish that society focus instead on mental health care. And to note that I am indeed far more socialist than Obama could ever think of being. Consider that the Black Panthers asserted the right to openly carry firearms in public, including holstered pistols and rifles, which is actually legal in many states but could get you shot by cops because a lot of cops even here in Kentucky don't know open carry is legal. Concealed carry is fine, I'm not against it, but I'd rather more of us exercise our right to openly carry firearms. There'd be a lot less gun violence if everywhere you looked people were carrying "assault rifles."

Anyway.

I'd be remiss as an "Internet crackpot" if I failed to state my new theory on this new fad of mass shootings, which is this: when a species overloads its carrying capacity people will do things that bring the population down. War, artificial famine a la Mao's, spreading an epidemic by fleeing quarantine or some other form mass killing are to be expected. We should note especially that People Are Stupid, prone to trying to correct rather than prevent an obvious problem largely because people who know how to think for themselves and are willing to do so, and who can think ahead and discipline themselves, are harder for governments, armies and religions to control: for example it's surely it's no coincidence that the Roman Catholic Church is officially committed both to doctrinal inflexibility and to the propagation of more Catholics for the Church and its vicegerent of God to think for and rule over. (Recall also that most Catholics today are in the "second" or "third worlds," not in the "enlightened West" where most readers of Fark presumably reside.)

This problem of overpopulation would be solved in a typical American lifetime or two by dedicating ourselves to spreading the gospel and the techniques of birth control and voluntary sterilization, along with ensuring every woman has access to safe and legal abortion. We might also stop warehousing stupid violent criminals whose only function in life is to provide employment for prison guards, administrators, cafeteria cooks and other workers (in some Kentucky counties the nearest prison is a major employer). The idea is to work together to bring the population down without having to resort to violence in order to preclude the kind of violence overpopulation produces. The child you prevent tonight won't be around to get gunned down in elementary school -- imagine that!

As for this tactic of shooting up a bunch of little kids, it is effective first by reducing numbers and also by reducing potential breeders: these kids won't grow up to have a couple of kids of their own. Yet as a means of auto-correction it's both rather too "blunt force" and unlikely to catch on enough to make any meaningful difference, and we can achieve an equivalent result simply by teaching Sex Ed including birth control beginning in 6th grade.

We might also recognize non-breeding homosexuals as valid members of society and subtly encourage same-sex affection and experience so that more gay people will "come out" while they're still young instead of trying to be "normal" first or maintaining an effectively bisexual double life as many men with access to the "men seeking men" part of lexington.craigslist.org obviously do. ("In town for Sweet Sixteen [high school basketball tournament his kid's participating in], want to meet up with other guys in similar situation. Discretion a must.") We might also offer payments in cash or in in kind to those who step forward to be sterilized, as well as sterilize "felonious breeders" such as men who knock up more than one woman and pay child support for none of them or women who've had their parental rights terminated once already.

Encouraging kids to grow up to be non-breeders is a more desirable strategy, one that unfortunately has an uphill battle against both the long-term agendas of entrenched power centers and the penchant of Americans for being stupid, thoughtless, lazy and overly deferential to those currently in charge of telling us what to think, feel and do. It's because of these countervailing factors that I'm pessimistic about the chances of intentional and peaceful population control: instead we're more likely to see more schoolroom massacres. Especially considering the way the Media, politicians and vapid do-gooders play up these shootings as a way to keep us afraid so we'll give up more freedoms and rights in exchange for "safety;" and spreading the word that killing kids en masse is a great way to get famous also helps ratchet up the public's fear and increase their clamor to be "protected" higher with every repetition. Indeed, as long as it doesn't catch on TOO well a months' long spate of kiddie killings, that will be talked about for a year or so afterward until the next "great avenger" steps forward, would be great for those who currently rule us.

Who would have heard of Whatshisface Lanza if he hadn't unconsciously sacrificed a few small humans for the greater good of fascism? Although I must admit that it'd be refreshing for one of these massacre-makers to leave a suicide note, or even better yell loudly to the press as he's being hustled into court, saying something like "I shot those kids because I hate your rights and freedoms!"

For those of you who can't be dissuaded from committing such acts, at least have the dignity to realize and admit that such acts move America closer to tyranny each time you pull the trigger. Instead of following Harris & Klebold, I recommend you follow Philip Larkin's advice and "don't have any kids yourself." The easiest way to "fight the Power" is to avoid feeding into it: do things "They" clearly DON'T want you to do, such as go on the Internet and preach the need for peaceful population reduction every chance you get.

And for those three or four Farkers who bothered to scan this screed thus far, you should come away with the idea that massacres like this are done "because we are too menny."

P.S. I've backed away from encouraging suicide because unfortunately a large percentage of those who kill themselves are the kind of people who should be encouraged to survive and help remedy those social ills that make us hate life in the first place. Endure life at least long enough to help other sensitive souls avoid pain in the future. Without our input "the broad masses" will never realize anything's wrong, let alone that it's possible to fix it. Just another Internet crackpot" is bound to have more effect on greater numbers than someone who holds it all in and then quietly hangs himself. And remember, on the Internet speaking out is fighting back.
 
2012-12-17 03:10:39 PM
Big Man On Campus:

Really? I'm the first to make this connection?

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Connection?

www.theblaze.com

meet

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2012-12-17 05:57:53 PM

The One True TheDavid: Big Man On Campus:

Really? I'm the first to make this connection?

[www.theblaze.com image 585x370]
[img.poptower.com image 850x784]

Connection?

[www.theblaze.com image 585x370]

meet

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It's a salvation army bell ringer.
 
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