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(The Daily Caller)   George Will: Tougher gun laws, assault weapons ban won't help. But shhh, he uses real world info, data and ignores media hyperbole. So warning; you might learn something   (dailycaller.com) divider line 865
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2012-12-17 03:32:07 PM  

Day that will live in Infamy: acefox1: Sorry gun nuts, we've tried it your way for 223 years.

Really? How is disarming victims so that they are sitting ducks for any madman who comes along "our way"?


Damn, you're right. If only those 6 year-olds had been packing.
 
2012-12-17 05:02:13 PM  

rohar: You see that first little arrow with a comment about militias? Then the instant rise in murders just after that?


I am pretty sure the Y-axis is not actual murders. If you want to make a good point and have the graph to back it up, it might be a good idea to have a graph that includes ALL the information. For all I know, the Y-axis may be murders per pirate.

Also, what is that ARRRRRR squared value?

/sorry, couldn't resist
 
2012-12-17 05:24:59 PM  

HeadLever: rohar: You see that first little arrow with a comment about militias? Then the instant rise in murders just after that?

I am pretty sure the Y-axis is not actual murders. If you want to make a good point and have the graph to back it up, it might be a good idea to have a graph that includes ALL the information. For all I know, the Y-axis may be murders per pirate.

Also, what is that ARRRRRR squared value?

/sorry, couldn't resist


Sorry, Y is murders per 100,000 citizens. As it is in almost all statistics about murders.

/the hell with the ARRRRR, ninjas are better than pirates!
 
2012-12-17 05:58:09 PM  
The moral of the story is: No one can agree on any way to reduce these kinds of incidents and deaths, be it gun regulation or better mental health care, so nothing will happen and these incidents will continue.
 
2012-12-17 07:45:46 PM  

manimal2878: LoneWolf343: manimal2878: LoneWolf343:

Is there really that much difference between 4 out of 100,000 thousand and 10 out of a 100,000? Both are tiny fractions of a percent.

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No I'm serious, in either case you could round to zero. The fact is either way there are just not that many of these incidents in any country.


Well, if that is the case, then why own guns at all, since the need to defend oneself is so rare?
 
2012-12-17 07:49:30 PM  

LoneWolf343: manimal2878: LoneWolf343: manimal2878: LoneWolf343:

Is there really that much difference between 4 out of 100,000 thousand and 10 out of a 100,000? Both are tiny fractions of a percent.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 814x500]

No I'm serious, in either case you could round to zero. The fact is either way there are just not that many of these incidents in any country.

Well, if that is the case, then why own guns at all, since the need to defend oneself is so rare?


The same reason I have a fire extinguisher.
 
2012-12-17 08:30:15 PM  

iq_in_binary: Boom, now the problem guns that everybody is worried about are now NFA controlled, the most successful Gun Control legislation in the world. Good luck finding examples of NFA arms being used in crimes, I won't hold my breath while you go look. Oh, and by removing the '86 Ban and letting us buy suppressors, you'll even gut us gun folk to vote for it!


i've been looking at this -- it seems like NFA weapons are $10,000 to $30,000 -- that is the real reason they aren't used in crime, it's just to expensive for a criminal to own one. And they aren't stolen because they are generally locked away in a safe.

Please iq_in_binary give all information we need to assess a plan like this -- you've basically hidden the main reason for the success.
 
2012-12-17 08:41:29 PM  

keithgabryelski: iq_in_binary: Boom, now the problem guns that everybody is worried about are now NFA controlled, the most successful Gun Control legislation in the world. Good luck finding examples of NFA arms being used in crimes, I won't hold my breath while you go look. Oh, and by removing the '86 Ban and letting us buy suppressors, you'll even gut us gun folk to vote for it!

i've been looking at this -- it seems like NFA weapons are $10,000 to $30,000 -- that is the real reason they aren't used in crime, it's just to expensive for a criminal to own one. And they aren't stolen because they are generally locked away in a safe.

Please iq_in_binary give all information we need to assess a plan like this -- you've basically hidden the main reason for the success.


There were about 40-60 years *before* those guns went drastically up in price. Before 1986 anyone with the proper FFL and tax stamps could buy, transfer, sell, manufacture whatever NFA weapons they wanted. The only reason they've jumped up in price is because the FOPA prohibited manufacture or transfer of any weapon not registered before 1986. Technically you still can buy or make NFA weapons, you just have to be a gun smith who sells to the government or other FFL holders. The main reason for them not being used in crime is because the licensing and related processes are rigorous as fark.
 
2012-12-17 08:47:22 PM  

redmid17: The main reason for them not being used in crime is because the licensing and related processes are rigorous as fark.


this is the six month waiting period and only having something like 11 people that can actually sign off on the transfer by hand?
 
2012-12-17 08:50:41 PM  

keithgabryelski: redmid17: The main reason for them not being used in crime is because the licensing and related processes are rigorous as fark.

this is the six month waiting period and only having something like 11 people that can actually sign off on the transfer by hand?


These weapons have been around since 1934 or later. If people wanted to use them in crime, you'd think that they'd have found a time or place to use them in the 78 following the passage of the legislation.
 
2012-12-17 09:46:28 PM  
I've made the heartfelt decision to become a raging right winger. You've all changed my minds. Here is what I now believe.

1. I want to live in a world in which the government tells my family when and where to pray whether it be in a classroom or a courtroom.

2. Since Timothy McVeigh killed people with a fertilizer bomb, there is no need for gun regulation. In addition, I want boxcutters allowed on airlines again since there are other ways to kill people.

3. In fact, we're all going to die. Let's do away with those pesky traffic lights and stop signs. Some people don't follow them anyway. Besides, they are only impeding our progress towards eternal life.

4. Since we are all going to die, let's do away with medical research. Think of the tax savings...Oops! I mean think of how much more we can throw into our military budget.

5. I can now see that Obamacare is worthless. My eyes are wide open. I cannot thank you folks enough.

6. If you still insist on medical care, let's deregulate that to allow anyone that wants to become a doctor to do so without that pesky medical school stuff. I've got a drill and a reciprocating saw. I'm going to be a brain surgeon. I'll do it cheap too. I'm not wasting time and money on anesthesia. Besides your insurance won't cover it. I know you stupid Democrats are going to say people will die. GUESS WHAT! They're going to die anyway. Why prolong the agony? No one has found a cure for death yet and under these guidelines no one ever will.

Wow! This is a load off my mind.I feel so relaxed having the government run my spiritual side while deregulating everything in my physical world. It's almost like I'm in utopia. I have this incessant urge to turn on Fox News and my local radical-right radio station. All that's left is hanging posters of Rush and Beck and Rove and O'Reilly in my man cave.
 
2012-12-17 09:48:39 PM  

bgilmore5: I've made the heartfelt decision to become a raging right winger. You've all changed my minds. Here is what I now believe.

1. I want to live in a world in which the government tells my family when and where to pray whether it be in a classroom or a courtroom.

2. Since Timothy McVeigh killed people with a fertilizer bomb, there is no need for gun regulation. In addition, I want boxcutters allowed on airlines again since there are other ways to kill people.

3. In fact, we're all going to die. Let's do away with those pesky traffic lights and stop signs. Some people don't follow them anyway. Besides, they are only impeding our progress towards eternal life.

4. Since we are all going to die, let's do away with medical research. Think of the tax savings...Oops! I mean think of how much more we can throw into our military budget.

5. I can now see that Obamacare is worthless. My eyes are wide open. I cannot thank you folks enough.

6. If you still insist on medical care, let's deregulate that to allow anyone that wants to become a doctor to do so without that pesky medical school stuff. I've got a drill and a reciprocating saw. I'm going to be a brain surgeon. I'll do it cheap too. I'm not wasting time and money on anesthesia. Besides your insurance won't cover it. I know you stupid Democrats are going to say people will die. GUESS WHAT! They're going to die anyway. Why prolong the agony? No one has found a cure for death yet and under these guidelines no one ever will.

Wow! This is a load off my mind.I feel so relaxed having the government run my spiritual side while deregulating everything in my physical world. It's almost like I'm in utopia. I have this incessant urge to turn on Fox News and my local radical-right radio station. All that's left is hanging posters of Rush and Beck and Rove and O'Reilly in my man cave.


Hate to burst your bubble, but I think you just decided to vote for Gary Johnson, not a Republican.
 
2012-12-17 10:56:31 PM  
No, what he actually did was derail the discussion with a lot of self-serving strawman arguments in order to massage his own ego at the expense of safeguarding 7 year olds.
/ don't feed the trolls
 
2012-12-18 12:02:34 AM  

manimal2878: LoneWolf343: manimal2878: LoneWolf343: manimal2878: LoneWolf343:

Is there really that much difference between 4 out of 100,000 thousand and 10 out of a 100,000? Both are tiny fractions of a percent.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 814x500]

No I'm serious, in either case you could round to zero. The fact is either way there are just not that many of these incidents in any country.

Well, if that is the case, then why own guns at all, since the need to defend oneself is so rare?

The same reason I have a fire extinguisher.


And Americans like to play with matches more than the other countries, resulting in more fires.

So,
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2012-12-18 01:58:18 AM  

mab1823: So which one of you is this?

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One of these times I'm gonna pop into a gun thread and every posting will be hairy-fat-underwear-guy-with-gun-porn.
 
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