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(The Daily Caller)   George Will: Tougher gun laws, assault weapons ban won't help. But shhh, he uses real world info, data and ignores media hyperbole. So warning; you might learn something   (dailycaller.com) divider line 865
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2012-12-16 02:44:42 PM
This is the guy who said Romney would win 325 electoral votes.
 
2012-12-16 02:46:16 PM
"George Will" and "learn something" are mutually exclusive.
 
2012-12-16 02:47:19 PM
There's no "real world info" or "data" in there at all. He just says "didn't help," and shuts down the topic.
 
2012-12-16 02:55:24 PM
Believe it or not, George Will is still among the saner of the right's pundits, despite him often publishing turds.

Seriously, folks - when guys like George Will and Pat Buchanan are your intellectual titans, maybe it's time for a little reflection on exactly where everything went horribly wrong. Probably that moment you all decided that pandering to retards was your best shot at success.
 
2012-12-16 02:56:10 PM
Except that the examples he gives are actually examples of laws that work, making these kinds of mass shootings the exception not the rule. Shootings like this are incredibly RARE in those countries. In the USA, they are commonplace and occur several times a year.
 
2012-12-16 02:56:16 PM
Check the source - Daily Caller? Was World Nut Daily busy with the really important news?
 
2012-12-16 03:14:52 PM
Done in one and two.
 
2012-12-16 03:19:43 PM
George Will also hates blue jeans.
 
2012-12-16 03:21:30 PM
Tell that to the UK, a country that hasn't had a mass shooting since Dunblane, after which they enacted the 1997 Firearms act.
 
2012-12-16 03:25:11 PM
Firstly, he doesn't use facts or statistics, he just names single data points of violent crime in higher gun control countries. As anyone who thinks can tell you, prevention != elimination, so his anecdotes mean nothing, statistically.

Secondly, trying to isolate a correlation between gun control and gun violence is so difficult, because there are so many complicating factors: homogeneity of the populace, poverty levels, education levels, heck, even latitude plays a factor (depression in the dark months is more extreme where the change in daylight is more extreme). There's no clean sample. Also, isolating by state gun laws doesn't necessarily help, because in the states inter-state mobility is so easy that you'd have to figure out if the guns were bought in the restrictive state, if the culprit was born and raised in the state in which the crime occurred, etc. I just don't think there has been a convincing enough study done to persuade anybody of anything, either way.
 
2012-12-16 03:37:28 PM
20 dead 6-and-7-year-olds say George Will is full of shiat.
 
2012-12-16 03:39:09 PM
Oh subby, one day critical thinking and reading the information will come to you.
 
2012-12-16 03:40:11 PM

Kimothy: Except that the examples he gives are actually examples of laws that work, making these kinds of mass shootings the exception not the rule. Shootings like this are incredibly RARE in those countries. In the USA, they are commonplace and occur several times a year.


Gosh, I guess it's crazy to suggest that mass shootings in countries with strict gun laws are rare for a reason.
 
2012-12-16 03:40:20 PM
All these headlines read as if they were submitted by Tucker Carlson.

In other words, they sound whiny and douchy.
 
2012-12-16 03:43:24 PM

ghare: 20 dead 6-and-7-year-olds say George Will is full of shiat.


And I say you are full of shiat. Just what kind of laws would have stopped that dumbass from killing his mother and stealing guns from her?
 
2012-12-16 03:44:14 PM
Since all guns were bought legally, no assault weapons were used, and this was an issue of bad parenting and poor mental health treatment using the murder of children to gain an assault weapons ban would be politicizing their deaths. If the goal is to end these types of acts then taking guns away from people nor giving guns to people will solve the problem.
 
2012-12-16 03:44:15 PM
I already learned that George Will is a dipshiat who's decades past his usefulness in a national debate.
 
2012-12-16 03:45:12 PM
Chris Wallace seriously took Joe Lieberman to task this morning for Democrats not getting tougher gun control legislation passed in the last 20 years. It was bizarro world, to be sure.
 
2012-12-16 03:45:15 PM
I'm surprised he didn't use a baseball analogy.
 
2012-12-16 03:45:28 PM

dickfreckle: Believe it or not, George Will is still among the saner of the right's pundits, despite him often publishing turds.

Seriously, folks - when guys like George Will and Pat Buchanan are your intellectual titans, maybe it's time for a little reflection on exactly where everything went horribly wrong. Probably that moment you all decided that pandering to retards was your best shot at success.


The difference between George Will and other right-wing pundits is that George Will's pieces are like long, thick, coiling turds. They come out exactly the way they're supposed to. His fellow pundits shoot out diarrhea and greenish-blue pebbles and the readers eat that up.
 
2012-12-16 03:45:34 PM

Pokey.Clyde: ghare: 20 dead 6-and-7-year-olds say George Will is full of shiat.

And I say you are full of shiat. Just what kind of laws would have stopped that dumbass from killing his mother and stealing guns from her?


Yes, sweetie, everyone having lots of guns is good. We can't do aaaannnnyyyything about it.

I'm convainced, the Tree of Liberty needed those 20 children sacrificed so you can feel like a big man and protect yourself against King George III.
 
2012-12-16 03:48:09 PM

Pokey.Clyde: And I say you are full of shiat. Just what kind of laws would have stopped that dumbass from killing his mother and stealing guns from her?


Outrageous Muff: If the goal is to end these types of acts then taking guns away from people nor giving guns to people will solve the problem.

 
2012-12-16 03:48:10 PM
FTFA: "Remember, we did have a ban on assault weapons," Will said. "When we put the ban in place, these incidents did not really decline in a measurable way, and when we took it off, they did not increase in a measurable way."

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-12-16 03:48:35 PM

Sock Ruh Tease: dickfreckle: Believe it or not, George Will is still among the saner of the right's pundits, despite him often publishing turds.

Seriously, folks - when guys like George Will and Pat Buchanan are your intellectual titans, maybe it's time for a little reflection on exactly where everything went horribly wrong. Probably that moment you all decided that pandering to retards was your best shot at success.

The difference between George Will and other right-wing pundits is that George Will's pieces are like long, thick, coiling turds. They come out exactly the way they're supposed to. His fellow pundits shoot out diarrhea and greenish-blue pebbles and the readers eat that up.


That's...that's beautiful.
 
2012-12-16 03:48:46 PM
OK, so they might not stop this random act of violence by a disturbed person but will it put a dent in the other 30,000+ gun related deaths every year?
 
2012-12-16 03:48:54 PM
If guns were a direct cause of mass shootings, anyone that picked up a gun would have to fight the urge to kill people.
 
2012-12-16 03:48:59 PM

ghare: Pokey.Clyde: ghare: 20 dead 6-and-7-year-olds say George Will is full of shiat.

And I say you are full of shiat. Just what kind of laws would have stopped that dumbass from killing his mother and stealing guns from her?

Yes, sweetie, everyone having lots of guns is good. We can't do aaaannnnyyyything about it.

I'm convainced, the Tree of Liberty needed those 20 children sacrificed so you can feel like a big man and protect yourself against King George III.


You know what? They won. This is the reality they wanted. It's up to them to find a way to fix it.

So, there we are. The NRA needs to return to it's roots in the 70's when they thought keeping weapons away from people wasn't the most evil thing possible. The rest of us will just hit the dirt while you guys sort it out amongst yourselves.
 
2012-12-16 03:49:20 PM

CarnySaur: I'm surprised he didn't use a baseball analogy.


George Will and baseball? Also hilarious.

Home runs increase dramatically.

Lots of people say it's due to a 'lively' ball.

George says all those fools are falling prey to the tendancy of Americans to credit sudden changes to technological causes.

George's explanation? Aluminum bats. I couldn't make up derp like that.
 
2012-12-16 03:50:42 PM
People are still listening to George Will?

It must be flat-out wonderful being a Republlican. You can spend your entire career being wrong about everything, and people still think what you have to say is worth listening to.
 
2012-12-16 03:51:10 PM

Outrageous Muff: If guns were a direct cause of mass shootings, anyone that picked up a gun would have to fight the urge to kill people.


What kind of stupid strawman bullshiat is that?
 
2012-12-16 03:51:27 PM

Outrageous Muff: Since all guns were bought legally, no assault weapons were used, and this was an issue of bad parenting and poor mental health treatment using the murder of children to gain an assault weapons ban would be politicizing their deaths. If the goal is to end these types of acts then taking guns away from people nor giving guns to people will solve the problem.


"As new details emerge, the scope of the horror expands. Lanza apparently sprayed two classrooms at the school with relentless fire from a semi-automatic assault rifle.

It was a massacre, and most of the victims were first-graders. Autopsies on the bodies of the children reveal that many, if not all, had been shot multiple times.

"I only did seven of the autopsies," medical examiner Wayne Carver said. "The victims I had ranged from three to 11 wounds a piece, and I only saw two of them with close-range shooting.""

Bushmaster AR15 .223, BTW which is what... civilian, semi-auto version of the M16?
 
2012-12-16 03:51:46 PM
If you agree with Will at al that the plural of anecdote is data, then this makes perfect sense. However, when it comes to cherrypicking anecdotes, gun opponents have a recent one ready at hand:

Chinese stabbing spree

Here's a guy who did not have access to guns, who went for the next best thing available, and the result was... zero deaths. Nada. Not a one. Did he send twenty-off kids to the hospital? Absolutely. But if you want to put twenty-odd kids in the morgue, you really need a gun.
 
2012-12-16 03:52:34 PM

Pokey.Clyde: ghare: 20 dead 6-and-7-year-olds say George Will is full of shiat.

And I say you are full of shiat. Just what kind of laws would have stopped that dumbass from killing his mother and stealing guns from her?


I am having a Poe's Law moment here, but on the off chance you're serious: that would be laws that kept her from having the Goddamn guns in the first place.
 
2012-12-16 03:52:35 PM
If guns don't kill people load one and put it in your mouth and pull the trigger because guns won't kill you.

/gun owner
//support assault weapons ban
///will not stop everything
////we need to stop the guns don't kill people arguement

It seems when someone with guns and lives in a rural area like I did before moving to Tulsa, people don't know how to deal with it that i don't toe the guns don't kill people line.

I've been called so many names these last few days, because people can't process someone who is familiar with guns being honest about my familiarity with guns.
 
2012-12-16 03:52:38 PM
Got a real link? I'll read George Will. I won't read anything posted on the Daily Caller. I made the mistake of saying to myself the other day "you know what, maybe I should click again, maybe the last time was a fluke" only to find an article that used a 100% objectively false statement as its very first sentence and then based the rest of the article's arguments on that lie.

Also, I'll give a shiat about this argument that stricter controls won't have an effect on gun crime when somebody can explain why the UK has such a lower rate of gun crime since enacting stricter controls. AND explain away the school massacre that led to it since the "clever" resposne is always "IT'S CULTURE!".

Yea, it is. Specifically it's the culture of a bunch of uncultured gun fetishists who think their "right" to shoot small animals and targets with on hand while dipping into a cooler of beer with the other all weekend is so important that they can't even be assed to have a few simple checks and balances placed on them to help keep dangerous weapons out of the hands of deranged lunatics who kill dozens of kids before the cops can even get to the scene.
 
2012-12-16 03:53:24 PM

Outrageous Muff: If guns were a direct cause of mass shootings, anyone that picked up a gun would have to fight the urge to kill people.


Let's get rid of all guns and see how many mass killings take place in the next 20 years.

I'm willing to be a lot of money there would be a lot fewer
 
2012-12-16 03:53:27 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Tell that to the UK, a country that hasn't had a mass shooting since Dunblane, after which they enacted the 1997 Firearms act.


The UK didn't have hundreds of millions of firearms to contend with.

Neither did Australia.

As a matter of fact, there isn't a single country on earth that had even a tenth of that to contend with when they adopted strict gun control.

But yeah, it would totally work here!

/Riiiiiiiight
 
2012-12-16 03:54:04 PM

ghall3: Pokey.Clyde: And I say you are full of shiat. Just what kind of laws would have stopped that dumbass from killing his mother and stealing guns from her?

Outrageous Muff: If the goal is to end these types of acts then taking guns away from people nor giving guns to people will solve the problem.


Oh well, your logic is perfect! People break laws, so no laws are needed! It's...MAGNIFICENT! YAY! No Laws!
 
2012-12-16 03:55:02 PM
Remember, any hypothetical gun control legislation must completely eliminate all gun violence to be valid. If it does not, then there's no point in even having any gun control, and we'll just have to live with 30,000 dead and several shooting sprees every year. Even if gun control could significantly reduce that death toll, the fact that there will still be some gun violence means means that it's not worth pursuing.

Since there will always be some criminals who break laws, that means that laws are completely useless, and therefore, we shouldn't even bother having any laws at all.
 
2012-12-16 03:55:12 PM

Jonnadiah: FTFA: "Remember, we did have a ban on assault weapons," Will said. "When we put the ban in place, these incidents did not really decline in a measurable way, and when we took it off, they did not increase in a measurable way."

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]


Columbine.
 
2012-12-16 03:55:17 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Tell that to the UK, a country that hasn't had a mass shooting since Dunblane, after which they enacted the 1997 Firearms act.


Actually, they did have one a few years ago which occurred after their gun control law was enacted. Cumbria Shootings, 12 dead, 11 wounded, gunman suicide.
 
2012-12-16 03:55:33 PM
So he doesn't know what to do, but he wants to poo poo any effort to do anything. Gotcha. Sounds pretty Republican to me.
 
2012-12-16 03:55:33 PM

LasersHurt: What kind of stupid strawman bullshiat is that?


It's a simple question, are you trying to solve the issue of mass shootings or are you trying to push an agenda? If you agree that you're trying to stop these kinds of acts from happening again then how will banning a weapons or giving out more weapons stop it?
 
2012-12-16 03:55:42 PM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7488829/81320859#c81320859" target="_blank">Jonnadiah</a>:</b> <i>FTFA: "Remember, we did have a ban on assault weapons," Will said. "When we put the ban in place, these incidents did not really decline in a measurable way, and when we took it off, they did not increase in a measurable way."

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]</i>

Correct me if I'm wrong, but handguns weren't classified as assault weapons were they?

The ban in question was enacted in 1994:


<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Ushomici desbyweapon.svg/800px-Ushomicidesbyweapon.svg.png">
 
2012-12-16 03:55:47 PM
"Should it be renewed, the ban's effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement. AWs were rarely used in gun crimes even before the ban.
"


Prohibiting civilian ownership of a subset of rifles -- which themselves are the least commonly criminally misused class of firearm, being used to commit murder less frequently than unarmed attacks -- is unlikely to impact rates of violent crime.
 
2012-12-16 03:55:56 PM
So because these tragedies occur very rarely in other countries, whose overall homicide rate is a fraction of America's, where mass shootings have become a thing you can expect a few times a year, at least, gun control laws do not work?

Regardless of how you feel about guns, America's homicide rate is an embarrassment. Something needs to be done, most likely at the cultural level. That will take decades. In the meantime, we can have tough, meaningful regulations on gun ownership.
 
2012-12-16 03:56:20 PM
Tucker Carlson publishing George Will? Is there a sale on bow ties?
 
2012-12-16 03:56:23 PM
Isn't this the guy who thought Romney would win with 300+ EVs?

Because if so I'm not listening to a damn word he says. In fact, I'm going to do the OPPOSITE of what he says.
 
2012-12-16 03:56:37 PM
Thanks George. The NRA and gun nuts everywhere appreciate your fellatio. Don''t forget to smile after you swallow.
 
2012-12-16 03:57:26 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Tell that to the UK, a country that hasn't had a mass shooting since Dunblane, after which they enacted the 1997 Firearms act.


Exactly. The laws were tightened.

And it did annoy a lot of gun enthusiasts.
 
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