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2012-12-16 08:27:01 PM

vygramul: toomuchwhargarbl: chuckufarlie: coeyagi: chuckufarlie: vygramul: Flying Lasagna Monster: If the assault weapons ban were allowed to still be in force, those 20 innocent children would still be alive. Hope you're all proud of yourselves, gun nuts.

That's completely false.

no, that is pretty much provable.

It's neither provable nor disprovable. I am not going to go into a long explanation as to why, anyone of any political persuasion can come up with reasons why.

of course it is provable, give him two pistols or a bolt action rifle and the number of dead would be much lower.

I can no longer tell the trolls from the non-trolls. Time for bed.

I assure you I am neither trolling nor a member of the NRA.


Well I was hoping you were since I'm not interested in a discussion on the efficiency of firearms employed against children. Though the argument in a nutshell is "It doesn't matter much what he had, because kindergarteners are helpless."
 
2012-12-16 08:27:20 PM
Meanwhile in Indiana

Dammit.


I've always considered myself a pro-gun liberal, but if you farkers are going to keep acting like this, I'm going to have to reconsider my position.
 
2012-12-16 08:28:20 PM
I like that the folks who make the argument that 'murder is already illegal, so there's no use in banning guns' are the same people who think we should ban marijuana because someone could get into a car crash while stoned and possibly kill someone. Even though driving impaired is already illegal.
 
2012-12-16 08:28:30 PM

toomuchwhargarbl: I always say this to people who threaten to kick my ass on the internet, and not one has showed up yet. Funny how that works.


If I wasn't a rail-thin pansy, and wanted to prove I wasn't just an ITG, I'd post my home address with my ITG'ing. Of course, that's just not my style.
 
2012-12-16 08:28:32 PM

jso2897: toomuchwhargarbl: jso2897:
I'll bet he could kick your ass in a stand up fight.

If he wants to try my gym has waivers behind the counter. I'm there for the Muay Thai classes and open sparring is on fridays.

Hahahahaha................gawd, I love Fark.


Yeah, stand up fights are for girls. Everyone knows real men take it to the ground.
 
2012-12-16 08:28:39 PM

toomuchwhargarbl: jso2897: toomuchwhargarbl: The Name: toomuchwhargarbl: Yes, I would support that. And an increase in federal support for state mental health facilities.

Well then, a modicum of kudos to you. Unfortunately, most of the people who obsess over their guns are the same people who don't want government to spend money on anything except wars and medicare.

I'd even go farther and say that the removal of government funding from mental health and the incarceration of the mentally ill is unconstitutional and falls under cruel and unusual punishment. I'm still not giving up my guns though.

Me neither - but you don't hear me crying about it all day like a little biatch.

Funny, cause your posts sound like biatch crying to me.


AW come on - you don't hear me crying about the liberals taking my guns away. Hell, they don't want my guns. My guns are old, and confusing, and require odd and arcane ammo.
All you do is snivel that somebody's going to take your guns - and when somebody does, it will be the neighborhood junkie who saw your belligerent "Beware of Owner" or "Insured by Smith& Wesson" sign and realized your house would be a good one to burglarize - gun owners are the most profitable targets.
Nobody wants you, or your crappy guns, fool. Get real with the world. Shiatheads like you represent about 2% of humanity.
 
2012-12-16 08:28:45 PM

propasaurus: Clearly, this is not the time to have a conversation about guns. It's too soon. Wait until this all blows over then we can discuss it rationally without emotion.


I think one full year between mass shootings is the perfect time to discuss this.
 
2012-12-16 08:28:50 PM

vygramul: Weaver95: it's really odd to see people who I *know* hate/despise Obamacare suddenly switch around and start talking about 'improving the mental health care system'...but only when it looks like their guns might be threatened.

this is one of the MANY things that needed to be addressed with health care reform. But the GOP fought tooth and claw to prevent it from happening. In fact, they're still fighting against it. the Republican view is that helping sick people (yes, even the mentally ill) is socialism. so which is it guys? are you now in favor of Obamacare? Or do you still want to see it repealed?

Actually, since they're pushing it so much, we should take them up on it while they're "for" it.


Damn, that is a great idea. The Dems should introduce legislation next week to expand Obamacare in order to cover mental health more adequately. They can pay for it by taxing gun owners, maybe charging them a registration fee every year or something. Sort of how we charge cigarette smokers by taxing the shiat out of cigarettes.
 
2012-12-16 08:29:06 PM

Pincy: toomuchwhargarbl: jso2897:
I'll bet he could kick your ass in a stand up fight.

If he wants to try my gym has waivers behind the counter. I'm there for the Muay Thai classes and open sparring is on fridays.

Oh ya, well my Krav Maga will kick your Muay Thai ass.

Seriously, we are all martial arts experts ex-military trained assassins married to supermodels and living in mansions. So you can just forget the Internet Tough Guy act because nobody believes you.


I'm not the one threatening to kick anyone's ass. That would be you, so here's a mirror, play spot the douche.
 
2012-12-16 08:29:52 PM

toomuchwhargarbl: jso2897: toomuchwhargarbl: The Name: toomuchwhargarbl: Yes, I would support that. And an increase in federal support for state mental health facilities.

Well then, a modicum of kudos to you. Unfortunately, most of the people who obsess over their guns are the same people who don't want government to spend money on anything except wars and medicare.

I'd even go farther and say that the removal of government funding from mental health and the incarceration of the mentally ill is unconstitutional and falls under cruel and unusual punishment. I'm still not giving up my guns though.

Me neither - but you don't hear me crying about it all day like a little biatch.

Funny, cause your posts sound like biatch crying to me.


Funny, cause your posts sound like too much whargarbl to me.
 
2012-12-16 08:30:12 PM

toomuchwhargarbl: jso2897: toomuchwhargarbl: jso2897:
I'll bet he could kick your ass in a stand up fight.

If he wants to try my gym has waivers behind the counter. I'm there for the Muay Thai classes and open sparring is on fridays.

Hahahahaha................gawd, I love Fark.

I always say this to people who threaten to kick my ass on the internet, and not one has showed up yet. Funny how that works.


Nobody wants to do anything to your ass - on or off the Internet. Your ass is fat, has pimples, and is unnattractive.
 
2012-12-16 08:30:30 PM

toomuchwhargarbl: Pincy: toomuchwhargarbl: jso2897:
I'll bet he could kick your ass in a stand up fight.

If he wants to try my gym has waivers behind the counter. I'm there for the Muay Thai classes and open sparring is on fridays.

Oh ya, well my Krav Maga will kick your Muay Thai ass.

Seriously, we are all martial arts experts ex-military trained assassins married to supermodels and living in mansions. So you can just forget the Internet Tough Guy act because nobody believes you.

I'm not the one threatening to kick anyone's ass. That would be you, so here's a mirror, play spot the douche.


Also Lol Krav Maga. You going to come get in the ring, bite me, and grab my balls?
 
2012-12-16 08:30:48 PM
Are we really shocked that the Republicans can't stand for any of their phony values?
 
2012-12-16 08:31:06 PM

toomuchwhargarbl: vygramul: toomuchwhargarbl: chuckufarlie: coeyagi: chuckufarlie: vygramul: Flying Lasagna Monster: If the assault weapons ban were allowed to still be in force, those 20 innocent children would still be alive. Hope you're all proud of yourselves, gun nuts.

That's completely false.

no, that is pretty much provable.

It's neither provable nor disprovable. I am not going to go into a long explanation as to why, anyone of any political persuasion can come up with reasons why.

of course it is provable, give him two pistols or a bolt action rifle and the number of dead would be much lower.

I can no longer tell the trolls from the non-trolls. Time for bed.

I assure you I am neither trolling nor a member of the NRA.

Well I was hoping you were since I'm not interested in a discussion on the efficiency of firearms employed against children. Though the argument in a nutshell is "It doesn't matter much what he had, because kindergarteners are helpless."


But that's not what I was arguing. I was saying the SAME weapon and magazines were available during the "ban". People should be offended that the NRA and GOP pulled the fast one they did. Maybe eventually the ban would have made a difference, but because it left legal all existing magazines (including pallets of magazines in manufacturers' warehouses) and didn't ban semi-auto rifles capable of accepting mags, just the size the new ones could have, the AWB was a bad joke.
 
2012-12-16 08:31:29 PM
I'm a lifelong gun owner, and I have ZERO problem with more restrictions and regulation. That's because I'm not some doomsday militia moron who thinks his p-shooter collection is going to fight-off zombies or a government armed with nukes and SEAL Team 6. I have pepper spray, a revolver that holds 5 rounds, and a shotgun that holds 3. That's all anyone needs for personal defense.

INTELLIGENT gun owners realize that this psycho should have never had access to guns. It hurts all of us. His $#@% mother, who I have zero sympathy for, knew she had a deeply troubled kid with serious, lifelong behavioral issues -- so serious that the schools couldn't handle him anymore and she'd had to home-school him. In her infinite f*cking wisdom, she decided to give her little pyscho target practice and access to a high-powered arsenal. And a bunch of little kids are dead as a direct result, and any @sshole who tries to blame it on people not believing in the "right" religion, or on video games, can seriously suck a bag of d!cks. "Crazy got a gun" is the sole reason this happened.

Regulation is coming. We gun owners can either be a part of the conversation and have a sane approach to it, or we can be totally irrational and have way worse restrictions put on us, via much more poorly-written laws. People are pissed about our insane gun culture, and they farking should be.
 
2012-12-16 08:31:37 PM

propasaurus: I like that the folks who make the argument that 'murder is already illegal, so there's no use in banning guns' are the same people who think we should ban marijuana because someone could get into a car crash while stoned and possibly kill someone.


All the "gun nuts" I know favor various degrees of drug legalization. So there's that.
 
2012-12-16 08:32:01 PM

jso2897: toomuchwhargarbl: jso2897: toomuchwhargarbl: jso2897:
I'll bet he could kick your ass in a stand up fight.

If he wants to try my gym has waivers behind the counter. I'm there for the Muay Thai classes and open sparring is on fridays.

Hahahahaha................gawd, I love Fark.

I always say this to people who threaten to kick my ass on the internet, and not one has showed up yet. Funny how that works.

Nobody wants to do anything to your ass - on or off the Internet. Your ass is fat, has pimples, and is unnattractive.


Oh I see what set you off, it was the gay comment. Shouldn't you be off preparing your all Rick Astley Mix tape for your next fabulous gay wedding DJ gig?
 
2012-12-16 08:32:08 PM

Farker Soze: Tellingthem: I've posted this before...but crime has gone down significantly in the last 20 years. Around 50% per capita for homicides and violent crime. Shouldn't we be looking at what caused that and expanding efforts into that direction instead?

That's easy. More abortion. Roe v. Wade had a big effect.

These school shootings are outliers though. We need to fix the crazy to help with that.


I'm still a little dubious about those numbers. I've seen all the freakonomics stuff and I'm still not convinced that abortion alone is the major factor of the decrease in crime. But if crime keep does keep dropping then maybe. Also the school shootings get the county into a tizzy but really if we only care about saving lives there are numerous other things we can spend our energies on. But guns are a nice hot button issue that everyone can get vocal about so here we are.
 
2012-12-16 08:32:29 PM

Pincy: vygramul: Weaver95: it's really odd to see people who I *know* hate/despise Obamacare suddenly switch around and start talking about 'improving the mental health care system'...but only when it looks like their guns might be threatened.

this is one of the MANY things that needed to be addressed with health care reform. But the GOP fought tooth and claw to prevent it from happening. In fact, they're still fighting against it. the Republican view is that helping sick people (yes, even the mentally ill) is socialism. so which is it guys? are you now in favor of Obamacare? Or do you still want to see it repealed?

Actually, since they're pushing it so much, we should take them up on it while they're "for" it.

Damn, that is a great idea. The Dems should introduce legislation next week to expand Obamacare in order to cover mental health more adequately. They can pay for it by taxing gun owners, maybe charging them a registration fee every year or something. Sort of how we charge cigarette smokers by taxing the shiat out of cigarettes.


Not a bad idea at all. It wouldn't accomplish any more than moving the GOP off their bullshiat talking point, but it wouldstill be worth it.
 
2012-12-16 08:32:30 PM

iq_in_binary: chumboobler: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

It says so! Therefore every American citizen that is not a felon should be issued with a muzzle loaded musket, some ball rounds an a pound of black powder. There are the "arms" that were intended in the Constitution. Not fully/semi automatic rifles and handguns with large magazines.

Don't even get me started on the meaning of a "well regulated militia". There are those that claim registering for the draft is just that but that means that all the ladies have to turn in their guns right? Right?

Cling to your guns you effing nutjobs. You have the ghost of George the third coming for revenge and lots of American governments to overthrow. So sick of the violence that I am forced to hear about three times a year because you can't understand that handguns and semiautomatic rifles designed for the military have one purpose and that is to kill people.

Let the hunters hunt with a three round mag. Let the farmers kill things that threaten their livestock with shotguns. End gun legalization there though.

No more death. If the guy had shown up at the school with a knife instead of semi automatic guns there would have been a lot less and possibly zero fatalities.

But criminals will still have guns and then they will rule America and kill my family!!!! Where do criminals get their guns? By stealing them from legal owners. Take away the supply and the gun problem diminishes significantly.

Someone brought up the idea that gun owners should have to buy insurance for their guns. Include random check by insurance companies to ensure they are stored properly. If you fail your inspection, you lose your coverage and therefore your gun. If they are stolen the insurance premium goes up because if it is used in a crime you are responsible. Until that gun is found or turned in, you pay insurance on it. I like that ...


I never said "repeal" the second amendment. I did argue that the weapons used at it's inception should be the only ones considered or that insurance be purchased to make people financially responsible for the ownership of deadly weapons. I also said to leave the farmers and hunters alone except for magazine size restrictions. But if that means repeal the second amendment to you then you are part of the problem. Not part of the solution.
 
2012-12-16 08:32:38 PM

Pincy: vygramul: Weaver95: it's really odd to see people who I *know* hate/despise Obamacare suddenly switch around and start talking about 'improving the mental health care system'...but only when it looks like their guns might be threatened.

this is one of the MANY things that needed to be addressed with health care reform. But the GOP fought tooth and claw to prevent it from happening. In fact, they're still fighting against it. the Republican view is that helping sick people (yes, even the mentally ill) is socialism. so which is it guys? are you now in favor of Obamacare? Or do you still want to see it repealed?

Actually, since they're pushing it so much, we should take them up on it while they're "for" it.

Damn, that is a great idea. The Dems should introduce legislation next week to expand Obamacare in order to cover mental health more adequately. They can pay for it by taxing gun owners, maybe charging them a registration fee every year or something. Sort of how we charge cigarette smokers by taxing the shiat out of cigarettes.


Unfortunately that would be unconstitutional, kind of like a poll tax would be.

My solution: HERE

Hell, I even suggest the surplus revenue from it go towards the mental health system!
 
2012-12-16 08:32:46 PM

toomuchwhargarbl: toomuchwhargarbl: Pincy: toomuchwhargarbl: jso2897:
I'll bet he could kick your ass in a stand up fight.

If he wants to try my gym has waivers behind the counter. I'm there for the Muay Thai classes and open sparring is on fridays.

Oh ya, well my Krav Maga will kick your Muay Thai ass.

Seriously, we are all martial arts experts ex-military trained assassins married to supermodels and living in mansions. So you can just forget the Internet Tough Guy act because nobody believes you.

I'm not the one threatening to kick anyone's ass. That would be you, so here's a mirror, play spot the douche.

Also Lol Krav Maga. You going to come get in the ring, bite me, and grab my balls?


Oh noes! - not twenty minutes of sweaty dick-punching!
 
2012-12-16 08:33:25 PM

jso2897: and when somebody does, it will be the neighborhood junkie who saw your belligerent "Beware of Owner" or "Insured by Smith& Wesson" sign and realized your house would be a good one to burglarize - gun owners are the most profitable targets.


Maybe I'm too smart/stupid to be a burglar, but if I were considering it, I don't think I'd take my chances with the house in which I might get my head blown off for my trouble.
 
2012-12-16 08:33:29 PM

Guntram Shatterhand: Are we really shocked that the Republicans can't stand for any of their phony values?


I think it's less a case of the GOP being spineless and more a question of picking the right venue. look - they HAVE to know they're going to get raked over the coals for their pro-gun stance. nobody with half a brain willingly walks into an ambush like that. so I don't blame these senators for ditching the invitations. that's just common sense. despicable behavior? well..maybe. But still - avoiding that mess is a sign that the GOP isn't completely brain dead. they're smart enough to finally realize that outside of their echo chamber, there are people that can hurt them.
 
2012-12-16 08:34:13 PM

vygramul:
But that's not what I was arguing. I was saying the SAME weapon and magazines were available during the "ban". People should be offended that the NRA and GOP pulled the fast one they did. Maybe eventually the ban would have made a difference, but because it left legal all existing magazines (including pallets of magazines in manufacturers' warehouses) and didn't ban semi-auto rifles capable of accepting mags, just the size the new ones could have, the AWB was a bad joke.


Oh, well then I agree with all of that. Because it's true.
 
2012-12-16 08:34:32 PM

toomuchwhargarbl: toomuchwhargarbl: Pincy: toomuchwhargarbl: jso2897:
I'll bet he could kick your ass in a stand up fight.

If he wants to try my gym has waivers behind the counter. I'm there for the Muay Thai classes and open sparring is on fridays.

Oh ya, well my Krav Maga will kick your Muay Thai ass.

Seriously, we are all martial arts experts ex-military trained assassins married to supermodels and living in mansions. So you can just forget the Internet Tough Guy act because nobody believes you.

I'm not the one threatening to kick anyone's ass. That would be you, so here's a mirror, play spot the douche.

Also Lol Krav Maga. You going to come get in the ring, bite me, and grab my balls?


FARK is not your personal erotica site.
 
2012-12-16 08:35:27 PM

chumboobler: iq_in_binary: chumboobler: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

It says so! Therefore every American citizen that is not a felon should be issued with a muzzle loaded musket, some ball rounds an a pound of black powder. There are the "arms" that were intended in the Constitution. Not fully/semi automatic rifles and handguns with large magazines.

Don't even get me started on the meaning of a "well regulated militia". There are those that claim registering for the draft is just that but that means that all the ladies have to turn in their guns right? Right?

Cling to your guns you effing nutjobs. You have the ghost of George the third coming for revenge and lots of American governments to overthrow. So sick of the violence that I am forced to hear about three times a year because you can't understand that handguns and semiautomatic rifles designed for the military have one purpose and that is to kill people.

Let the hunters hunt with a three round mag. Let the farmers kill things that threaten their livestock with shotguns. End gun legalization there though.

No more death. If the guy had shown up at the school with a knife instead of semi automatic guns there would have been a lot less and possibly zero fatalities.

But criminals will still have guns and then they will rule America and kill my family!!!! Where do criminals get their guns? By stealing them from legal owners. Take away the supply and the gun problem diminishes significantly.

Someone brought up the idea that gun owners should have to buy insurance for their guns. Include random check by insurance companies to ensure they are stored properly. If you fail your inspection, you lose your coverage and therefore your gun. If they are stolen the insurance premium goes up because if it is used in a crime you are responsible. Until that gun is found or turned in, you pay insurance on i ...


Did you or did you not look at the proposal I suggested? NFA works pretty damn well, to the tune of none of the scary fully automatic machine guns in the pool it governs, including fully auto versions of the rifle used in the massacre, having been used in crimes. Why argue with success?
 
2012-12-16 08:37:26 PM

shower_in_my_socks: I'm a lifelong gun owner, and I have ZERO problem with more restrictions and regulation. That's because I'm not some doomsday militia moron who thinks his p-shooter collection is going to fight-off zombies or a government armed with nukes and SEAL Team 6. I have pepper spray, a revolver that holds 5 rounds, and a shotgun that holds 3. That's all anyone needs for personal defense.

INTELLIGENT gun owners realize that this psycho should have never had access to guns. It hurts all of us. His $#@% mother, who I have zero sympathy for, knew she had a deeply troubled kid with serious, lifelong behavioral issues -- so serious that the schools couldn't handle him anymore and she'd had to home-school him. In her infinite f*cking wisdom, she decided to give her little pyscho target practice and access to a high-powered arsenal. And a bunch of little kids are dead as a direct result, and any @sshole who tries to blame it on people not believing in the "right" religion, or on video games, can seriously suck a bag of d!cks. "Crazy got a gun" is the sole reason this happened.

Regulation is coming. We gun owners can either be a part of the conversation and have a sane approach to it, or we can be totally irrational and have way worse restrictions put on us, via much more poorly-written laws. People are pissed about our insane gun culture, and they farking should be.


Thank you. I've owned guns in the past. I don't want to abolish the second amendment. But you are correct, if the NRA doesn't start bring some reasonable compromises to the table they will eventually be left out of the discussion completely.
 
2012-12-16 08:37:28 PM

Weaver95: look - they HAVE to know they're going to get raked over the coals for their pro-gun stance


Trying to reason with the torch-and-pitchfork-bearing mob is seldom time well-spent.
 
2012-12-16 08:38:41 PM

propasaurus:
FARK is not your personal erotica site.


Sorry about the misunderstanding, for those who don't know, "Krav Maga" is Hebrew for "biting and gouging at balls, eyes, and throat."
 
2012-12-16 08:39:02 PM

iq_in_binary: Pincy: vygramul: Weaver95: it's really odd to see people who I *know* hate/despise Obamacare suddenly switch around and start talking about 'improving the mental health care system'...but only when it looks like their guns might be threatened.

this is one of the MANY things that needed to be addressed with health care reform. But the GOP fought tooth and claw to prevent it from happening. In fact, they're still fighting against it. the Republican view is that helping sick people (yes, even the mentally ill) is socialism. so which is it guys? are you now in favor of Obamacare? Or do you still want to see it repealed?

Actually, since they're pushing it so much, we should take them up on it while they're "for" it.

Damn, that is a great idea. The Dems should introduce legislation next week to expand Obamacare in order to cover mental health more adequately. They can pay for it by taxing gun owners, maybe charging them a registration fee every year or something. Sort of how we charge cigarette smokers by taxing the shiat out of cigarettes.

Unfortunately that would be unconstitutional, kind of like a poll tax would be.

My solution: HERE

Hell, I even suggest the surplus revenue from it go towards the mental health system!


Dude, you've posted a link to your solution in this thread many times. You shouldn't be posting it here. You should be sending it to your representatives and the NRA.
 
2012-12-16 08:39:25 PM

randomjsa: "In the wake of a tragedy, we invited 31 people who understand the 2nd Amendment on to badger them anti 2nd Amendment talking points because we're cheap like that. Now we're pouting because they're not that stupid."


So their support of the 2nd Amendment isn't 24/7? Interesting.
 
2012-12-16 08:40:48 PM

GoldSpider: jso2897: and when somebody does, it will be the neighborhood junkie who saw your belligerent "Beware of Owner" or "Insured by Smith& Wesson" sign and realized your house would be a good one to burglarize - gun owners are the most profitable targets.

Maybe I'm too smart/stupid to be a burglar, but if I were considering it, I don't think I'd take my chances with the house in which I might get my head blown off for my trouble.


Yeah - but it doesn't work that way. Guns are the most valuable commodity on the street. You boost a diamond bracelet, you get 1/5 th of retail. if you are lucky. A gun? Twice, three times retail.
Criminals tend to look a reward, and ignore risk. They also endeavor to strike when the advantage is theirs - and most residential burglaries are successful, and do not result in an arrest.
The belief that the thought of a weapon in the hands of some soft bourgie deters criminials is a symptom of reading too many comic books.
 
2012-12-16 08:41:07 PM

GoldSpider: Weaver95: look - they HAVE to know they're going to get raked over the coals for their pro-gun stance

Trying to reason with the torch-and-pitchfork-bearing mob is seldom time well-spent.


no, it's a question of choosing your best possible venue. for the GOP, any response to this tragedy is going to have to be carefully coordinated and released in a controlled environment. just jumping out there blind is going to end up with the GOP getting their livers ripped out and their ideology destroyed.
 
2012-12-16 08:41:43 PM

Pincy: iq_in_binary: Pincy: vygramul: Weaver95: it's really odd to see people who I *know* hate/despise Obamacare suddenly switch around and start talking about 'improving the mental health care system'...but only when it looks like their guns might be threatened.

this is one of the MANY things that needed to be addressed with health care reform. But the GOP fought tooth and claw to prevent it from happening. In fact, they're still fighting against it. the Republican view is that helping sick people (yes, even the mentally ill) is socialism. so which is it guys? are you now in favor of Obamacare? Or do you still want to see it repealed?

Actually, since they're pushing it so much, we should take them up on it while they're "for" it.

Damn, that is a great idea. The Dems should introduce legislation next week to expand Obamacare in order to cover mental health more adequately. They can pay for it by taxing gun owners, maybe charging them a registration fee every year or something. Sort of how we charge cigarette smokers by taxing the shiat out of cigarettes.

Unfortunately that would be unconstitutional, kind of like a poll tax would be.

My solution: HERE

Hell, I even suggest the surplus revenue from it go towards the mental health system!

Dude, you've posted a link to your solution in this thread many times. You shouldn't be posting it here. You should be sending it to your representatives and the NRA.


Fark the NRA up the ass. They lost my respect a long time ago. And it's already been retooled once, I'd like to go through a few ideas to have something more comprehensive that more people would support. Some people helped by contributing.

You want to help or just keep biatching about it?
 
2012-12-16 08:42:11 PM

iq_in_binary: chumboobler: iq_in_binary: chumboobler: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

It says so! Therefore every American citizen that is not a felon should be issued with a muzzle loaded musket, some ball rounds an a pound of black powder. There are the "arms" that were intended in the Constitution. Not fully/semi automatic rifles and handguns with large magazines.

Don't even get me started on the meaning of a "well regulated militia". There are those that claim registering for the draft is just that but that means that all the ladies have to turn in their guns right? Right?

Cling to your guns you effing nutjobs. You have the ghost of George the third coming for revenge and lots of American governments to overthrow. So sick of the violence that I am forced to hear about three times a year because you can't understand that handguns and semiautomatic rifles designed for the military have one purpose and that is to kill people.

Let the hunters hunt with a three round mag. Let the farmers kill things that threaten their livestock with shotguns. End gun legalization there though.

No more death. If the guy had shown up at the school with a knife instead of semi automatic guns there would have been a lot less and possibly zero fatalities.

But criminals will still have guns and then they will rule America and kill my family!!!! Where do criminals get their guns? By stealing them from legal owners. Take away the supply and the gun problem diminishes significantly.

Someone brought up the idea that gun owners should have to buy insurance for their guns. Include random check by insurance companies to ensure they are stored properly. If you fail your inspection, you lose your coverage and therefore your gun. If they are stolen the insurance premium goes up because if it is used in a crime you are responsible. Until that gun is found or turned in, you pay i ...


I guess my question to you is this...... Can you think of a purpose for handguns in their design and function, other than for killing people? If the main purpose behind the design of a weapon is to kill people, not deer or moose or wolves, then people should not own them. They are designed to kill people, which in any place I can think of, is against the law. If there were many different types of auto driving cars available, but certain ones were designed to kill pedestrians, would you be allowed to own one of those? I mean, some of those pedestrians could be dangerous and out to get you. They could also have cars of their own! I need my pedestrian killing car or they will get me!
 
2012-12-16 08:43:27 PM

toomuchwhargarbl: jso2897: toomuchwhargarbl: jso2897: toomuchwhargarbl: jso2897:
I'll bet he could kick your ass in a stand up fight.

If he wants to try my gym has waivers behind the counter. I'm there for the Muay Thai classes and open sparring is on fridays.

Hahahahaha................gawd, I love Fark.

I always say this to people who threaten to kick my ass on the internet, and not one has showed up yet. Funny how that works.

Nobody wants to do anything to your ass - on or off the Internet. Your ass is fat, has pimples, and is unnattractive.

Oh I see what set you off, it was the gay comment. Shouldn't you be off preparing your all Rick Astley Mix tape for your next fabulous gay wedding DJ gig?


Damn - you're like a programmable AI.
 
2012-12-16 08:43:37 PM

GoldSpider: jso2897: and when somebody does, it will be the neighborhood junkie who saw your belligerent "Beware of Owner" or "Insured by Smith& Wesson" sign and realized your house would be a good one to burglarize - gun owners are the most profitable targets.

Maybe I'm too smart/stupid to be a burglar, but if I were considering it, I don't think I'd take my chances with the house in which I might get my head blown off for my trouble.


Most burglars don't like to run into people. They rob you when you are not home. Your gun isn't going to do a lot of good then. Your much better off having a dog that will bark.
 
2012-12-16 08:43:53 PM

Weaver95: GoldSpider: Weaver95: look - they HAVE to know they're going to get raked over the coals for their pro-gun stance

Trying to reason with the torch-and-pitchfork-bearing mob is seldom time well-spent.

no, it's a question of choosing your best possible venue. for the GOP, any response to this tragedy is going to have to be carefully coordinated and released in a controlled environment. just jumping out there blind is going to end up with the GOP getting their livers ripped out and their ideology destroyed.


I don't want to wait for that to happen. I'm looking forward to the GOP's eventual implosion, but in the mean time I'd like to see shiat get done, did you take a look at my proposal? You actually have something to contribute.
 
2012-12-16 08:44:13 PM

chumboobler: I guess my question to you is this...... Can you think of a purpose for handguns in their design and function, other than for killing people? If the main purpose behind the design of a weapon is to kill people, not deer or moose or wolves, then people should not own them. They are designed to kill people, which in any place I can think of, is against the law. If there were many different types of auto driving cars available, but certain ones were designed to kill pedestrians, would you be allowed to own one of those? I mean, some of those pedestrians could be dangerous and out to get you. They could also have cars of their own! I need my pedestrian killing car or they will get me!


that's why you have the right to keep and bear arms. It isn't to kill deer, moose and wolves.
 
2012-12-16 08:45:29 PM

Weaver95: coeyagi:

I will make it very clear, Allen West guy: have your rights, just know that you can have your rights and also be interested in improving society. Most people here who are gun nuts don't want to have the conversation. They are paranoid dicks who care only about themselves and will block rational discussion at all costs.

the conversation seems to go like this:

NRA: I have 2nd amendment rights.
voters: 'yeah, but we're getting tired of people murdering kids and shooting up places of worship. plus, ya know, street crime'.
NRA: I...have SECOND AMENDMENT...rights.
voters: 'yes, we understand that but...we're trying to find a way to make sense of this tragedy. maybe gun control is part of that, maybe not. we're just tired of seeing piles of dead kindergarten children paraded around on the evening news. you're part of this discussion too ya know. any suggestions?
NRA: I have second amendment rights. you can't have them! they're MINE! DISCUSSION OVER!' [slams door]. [runs away screaming]
voters: WTF just happened...?


As usual, Weaver, you sum up my verbose and rambling thoughts into a single small and to the point post.
 
2012-12-16 08:45:40 PM

jso2897: toomuchwhargarbl: jso2897: toomuchwhargarbl: jso2897: toomuchwhargarbl: jso2897:
I'll bet he could kick your ass in a stand up fight.

If he wants to try my gym has waivers behind the counter. I'm there for the Muay Thai classes and open sparring is on fridays.

Hahahahaha................gawd, I love Fark.

I always say this to people who threaten to kick my ass on the internet, and not one has showed up yet. Funny how that works.

Nobody wants to do anything to your ass - on or off the Internet. Your ass is fat, has pimples, and is unnattractive.

Oh I see what set you off, it was the gay comment. Shouldn't you be off preparing your all Rick Astley Mix tape for your next fabulous gay wedding DJ gig?

Damn - you're like a programmable AI.


Yeah got me, I'm really an AI... those things always seem to figure out the stuff you like if you keep talking to them. Like penis. You like penis, a lot.
 
2012-12-16 08:48:03 PM

chumboobler: I guess my question to you is this...... Can you think of a purpose for handguns in their design and function, other than for killing people? If the main purpose behind the design of a weapon is to kill people, not deer or moose or wolves, then people should not own them. They are designed to kill people, which in any place I can think of, is against the law. If there were many different types of auto driving cars available, but certain ones were designed to kill pedestrians, would you be allowed to own one of those? I mean, some of those pedestrians could be dangerous and out to get you. They could also have cars of their own! I need my pedestrian killing car or they will get me!


It probably doesn't make much of a difference to a dead hit and run or shooting victim that the car he was run over with wasn't designed to kill people but the gun he was shot with was. I doubt I'd be too outraged over the semantics if I was lying in the morgue.
 
2012-12-16 08:49:11 PM

GoldSpider: Weaver95: look - they HAVE to know they're going to get raked over the coals for their pro-gun stance

Trying to reason with the torch-and-pitchfork-bearing mob is seldom time well-spent.


Yeah. We know. They're pussies.
 
2012-12-16 08:49:16 PM

iq_in_binary: Fark the NRA up the ass. They lost my respect a long time ago. And it's already been retooled once, I'd like to go through a few ideas to have something more comprehensive that more people would support. Some people helped by contributing.


I'd love to see the NRA expel the nuts, or maybe the ACLU take up the mantle and become the rational voice for the 2nd Amendment.
 
2012-12-16 08:49:38 PM

chumboobler: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

It says so! Therefore every American citizen that is not a felon should be issued with a muzzle loaded musket, some ball rounds an a pound of black powder. There are the "arms" that were intended in the Constitution. Not fully/semi automatic rifles and handguns with large magazines.


The United States Supreme Court, the court that decides issues of constitutionality, disagrees with you. See District of Columbia v Heller which protects the individual's right to possess a firearm for traditionally lawful purposes in federal enclaves and McDonald v City of Chicago which, through the 14th Amendment, extends the right of the individual to possess a firearm for traditionally lawful purposes to the states as well.
 
2012-12-16 08:50:06 PM

iq_in_binary: Weaver95: GoldSpider: Weaver95: look - they HAVE to know they're going to get raked over the coals for their pro-gun stance

Trying to reason with the torch-and-pitchfork-bearing mob is seldom time well-spent.

no, it's a question of choosing your best possible venue. for the GOP, any response to this tragedy is going to have to be carefully coordinated and released in a controlled environment. just jumping out there blind is going to end up with the GOP getting their livers ripped out and their ideology destroyed.

I don't want to wait for that to happen. I'm looking forward to the GOP's eventual implosion, but in the mean time I'd like to see shiat get done, did you take a look at my proposal? You actually have something to contribute.


I did look it over, and it certainly looks reasonable. i'm just not convinced the GOP is desperate enough to accept a reasonable solution.
 
2012-12-16 08:50:30 PM

skullkrusher: chumboobler: I guess my question to you is this...... Can you think of a purpose for handguns in their design and function, other than for killing people? If the main purpose behind the design of a weapon is to kill people, not deer or moose or wolves, then people should not own them. They are designed to kill people, which in any place I can think of, is against the law. If there were many different types of auto driving cars available, but certain ones were designed to kill pedestrians, would you be allowed to own one of those? I mean, some of those pedestrians could be dangerous and out to get you. They could also have cars of their own! I need my pedestrian killing car or they will get me!

that's why you have the right to keep and bear arms. It isn't to kill deer, moose and wolves.


How many tyrants have you overthrown? How many innocent people have died because of guns, be it improper storage or straight up violence like this week? 0 tyrants and thousands of deaths related to easy gun access. Have a muzzle loading musket and your second amendment prize as it was intended then.
 
2012-12-16 08:50:51 PM

toomuchwhargarbl: jso2897: toomuchwhargarbl: jso2897: toomuchwhargarbl: jso2897: toomuchwhargarbl: jso2897:
I'll bet he could kick your ass in a stand up fight.

If he wants to try my gym has waivers behind the counter. I'm there for the Muay Thai classes and open sparring is on fridays.

Hahahahaha................gawd, I love Fark.

I always say this to people who threaten to kick my ass on the internet, and not one has showed up yet. Funny how that works.

Nobody wants to do anything to your ass - on or off the Internet. Your ass is fat, has pimples, and is unnattractive.

Oh I see what set you off, it was the gay comment. Shouldn't you be off preparing your all Rick Astley Mix tape for your next fabulous gay wedding DJ gig?

Damn - you're like a programmable AI.

Yeah got me, I'm really an AI... those things always seem to figure out the stuff you like if you keep talking to them. Like penis. You like penis, a lot.


Should one actively dislike penises? It seems pointless, since 50% of the human race have them - myself included. I'm missing the point - why the penis thing?
 
2012-12-16 08:51:06 PM

Farker Soze: chumboobler: I guess my question to you is this...... Can you think of a purpose for handguns in their design and function, other than for killing people? If the main purpose behind the design of a weapon is to kill people, not deer or moose or wolves, then people should not own them. They are designed to kill people, which in any place I can think of, is against the law. If there were many different types of auto driving cars available, but certain ones were designed to kill pedestrians, would you be allowed to own one of those? I mean, some of those pedestrians could be dangerous and out to get you. They could also have cars of their own! I need my pedestrian killing car or they will get me!

It probably doesn't make much of a difference to a dead hit and run or shooting victim that the car he was run over with wasn't designed to kill people but the gun he was shot with was. I doubt I'd be too outraged over the semantics if I was lying in the morgue.


I'm sure my ghost would be more concerned by the grouping..."Seriously 10 shots and he only hit me twice? lucky bastard, he needs to spend more time at the range..."
 
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