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2012-12-16 08:08:33 PM  

GoldSpider: chuckufarlie: those are some pretty big words for an idiot. Did you have help with that post?

How do I know your argument has abandoned you?


I have not abandoned by argument. I have just abandoned any attempt to explain it to YOU.

Does your constant drooling have an adverse impact on your keyboard?
 
2012-12-16 08:08:55 PM  

toomuchwhargarbl: How about addressing mental health? There's some easy low hanging fruit that doesn't involve people literally shooting at each other because Feinstein can't stand the idea that I'm not being punished for the actions of this lunatic?


Precisely. Thank goodness Congress finally abolished the use of the word "lunatic" from official documents, because it's offensive to the kind of people who shoot up a school full of children.
 
2012-12-16 08:09:02 PM  

toomuchwhargarbl:

How about addressing mental health? There's some easy low hanging fruit that doesn't involve people literally shooting at each other because Feinstein can't stand the idea that I'm not being punished for the actions of this lunatic?


i'd love to discuss fixing our health care system. problem is, the GOP keeps trying to repeal the law Obama passed to address that (and other) issue(s). something about socialisms?
 
2012-12-16 08:09:26 PM  

toomuchwhargarbl: Weaver95: coeyagi:

I will make it very clear, Allen West guy: have your rights, just know that you can have your rights and also be interested in improving society. Most people here who are gun nuts don't want to have the conversation. They are paranoid dicks who care only about themselves and will block rational discussion at all costs.

the conversation seems to go like this:

NRA: I have 2nd amendment rights.
voters: 'yeah, but we're getting tired of people murdering kids and shooting up places of worship. plus, ya know, street crime'.
NRA: I...have SECOND AMENDMENT...rights.
voters: 'yes, we understand that but...we're trying to find a way to make sense of this tragedy. maybe gun control is part of that, maybe not. we're just tired of seeing piles of dead kindergarten children paraded around on the evening news. you're part of this discussion too ya know. any suggestions?
NRA: I have second amendment rights. you can't have them! they're MINE! DISCUSSION OVER!' [slams door]. [runs away screaming]
voters: WTF just happened...?

How about addressing mental health? There's some easy low hanging fruit that doesn't involve people literally shooting at each other because Feinstein can't stand the idea that I'm not being punished for the actions of this lunatic?


It's convenient how all of a sudden a lot of people are concerned about addressing mental health. Probably the same people who think Obamacare is socialism.
 
2012-12-16 08:09:28 PM  

IlGreven: Sgt Otter: ...that would be the M4 that is nearly impossible for civilians to obtain due to its burst-fire capability, and being categorized as a short-barreled rifle.

/pedant

Don't worry. She's employed by the ebil gubmint, making her not a civilian. Problem solved.


I'm sure that if we gave the teachers police uniforms, liberals would be fine with them carrying guns. Since government uniforms magically grant authority, responsibility, & cool-headedness.
 
2012-12-16 08:09:30 PM  

COMALite J: At least mittromneysdog isn′t one of those gun-grabbers who tries to claim that the Second Amendment doesn′t really say nor mean what it clearly and plainly says and means.


The second Amendment is NOT clear and plain.
 
2012-12-16 08:09:31 PM  

skullkrusher: IlGreven: Of course not. They're too busy hyperventilating over a duck stamp that magically appeared on Election Day.

/It was invisible when the Democrat introduced the act containing it months ago.

duck stamp?


RABBIT STAMP
 
2012-12-16 08:09:32 PM  

coeyagi: Farker Soze: Weaver95: Farker Soze:
OK Mao. Hope your next five year plan works splendidly. Try not to starve too many millions of farmers.

y'know...having a discussion about guns and their role in our society is an appropriate discussion to have in the wake of this sort of disaster. what are our laws? is there something we could have done to prevent this? could we have minimized the damage? how can we do better? all valid questions to ask. revisiting the gun control issue - also valid at this point.

you might not like it very much...but it's gonna happen anyway. you might not want to casually dismiss the subject so easily.

Sure. It's when he starts saying I have the Right to be Killed is when I stop taking him seriously, or start thinking of him as an asshole and not care how serious he is from then on out.

That's funny, I stop taking people seriously who don't take me seriously or misread shiat. Cheers, bro! Hope your campaign to arm America goes swimmingly (or whatever fantastic idea you have to stem the tide of violence).


I've posted this before...but crime has gone down significantly in the last 20 years. Around 50% per capita for homicides and violent crime. Shouldn't we be looking at what caused that and expanding efforts into that direction instead?  Link
 
2012-12-16 08:09:32 PM  

vygramul: chuckufarlie: vygramul: Flying Lasagna Monster: If the assault weapons ban were allowed to still be in force, those 20 innocent children would still be alive. Hope you're all proud of yourselves, gun nuts.

That's completely false.

no, that is pretty much provable.

It's provably false. Just what do you think was unavailable during the ban?


then by all means, scooter, go ahead and prove it false.
 
2012-12-16 08:09:56 PM  

One Bad Apple: skullkrusher: IlGreven: Of course not. They're too busy hyperventilating over a duck stamp that magically appeared on Election Day.

/It was invisible when the Democrat introduced the act containing it months ago.

duck stamp?

RABBIT STAMP


mushroom stamp?
 
2012-12-16 08:10:23 PM  

Pincy:
It's convenient how all of a sudden a lot of people are concerned about addressing mental health. Probably the same people who think Obamacare is socialism.


And you say conservatives are trying to drive the discussion into a ditch?
 
2012-12-16 08:10:59 PM  

toomuchwhargarbl: Weaver95: coeyagi:

I will make it very clear, Allen West guy: have your rights, just know that you can have your rights and also be interested in improving society. Most people here who are gun nuts don't want to have the conversation. They are paranoid dicks who care only about themselves and will block rational discussion at all costs.

the conversation seems to go like this:

NRA: I have 2nd amendment rights.
voters: 'yeah, but we're getting tired of people murdering kids and shooting up places of worship. plus, ya know, street crime'.
NRA: I...have SECOND AMENDMENT...rights.
voters: 'yes, we understand that but...we're trying to find a way to make sense of this tragedy. maybe gun control is part of that, maybe not. we're just tired of seeing piles of dead kindergarten children paraded around on the evening news. you're part of this discussion too ya know. any suggestions?
NRA: I have second amendment rights. you can't have them! they're MINE! DISCUSSION OVER!' [slams door]. [runs away screaming]
voters: WTF just happened...?

How about addressing mental health? There's some easy low hanging fruit that doesn't involve people literally shooting at each other because Feinstein can't stand the idea that I'm not being punished for the actions of this lunatic?


A) Doubtful she wants to punish you.
B) It's pretty awesome that you think not having a gun is some great punishment. While I am not advocating take away anyone's right, I get a gleeful countenance thinking of pouty faced hicks and other assorted camouflaged "patriots" stomping and huffing and puffing about their loss of guns. You truly have no idea what suffering is, guy-who-probably-never-lost-a-family-member-due-to-gun-violence.
 
2012-12-16 08:10:59 PM  

Phony_Soldier: chuckufarlie: vygramul: Flying Lasagna Monster: If the assault weapons ban were allowed to still be in force, those 20 innocent children would still be alive. Hope you're all proud of yourselves, gun nuts.

That's completely false.

no, that is pretty much provable.

I thought he was joking/trolling.


Nope. People have an odd conception of the ban. The AR-15 was available, only it couldn't be sold with a 10 round mag. However, it was legal to buy after-market 30-round mags. I know because I went with a friend who turned out to be a teabagger and watched him buy them.
 
2012-12-16 08:11:00 PM  

coeyagi: Farker Soze: Weaver95: Farker Soze:
OK Mao. Hope your next five year plan works splendidly. Try not to starve too many millions of farmers.

y'know...having a discussion about guns and their role in our society is an appropriate discussion to have in the wake of this sort of disaster. what are our laws? is there something we could have done to prevent this? could we have minimized the damage? how can we do better? all valid questions to ask. revisiting the gun control issue - also valid at this point.

you might not like it very much...but it's gonna happen anyway. you might not want to casually dismiss the subject so easily.

Sure. It's when he starts saying I have the Right to be Killed is when I stop taking him seriously, or start thinking of him as an asshole and not care how serious he is from then on out.

That's funny, I stop taking people seriously who don't take me seriously or misread shiat. Cheers, bro! Hope your campaign to arm America goes swimmingly (or whatever fantastic idea you have to stem the tide of violence).


I make a joke about a troll wishing violence on others thinking he has the moral high ground, and you start in on me for no reason. So I assume you approve of James Cambell's jackassery. I guess it was all a misunderstanding, so nevermind. Cheers to you too, go on blaming hunks of metal and ignore the underlying cause of mental illness because comprehensive health and psychiatric care from birth is hard.
 
2012-12-16 08:11:12 PM  

Pincy: toomuchwhargarbl: Weaver95: coeyagi:

I will make it very clear, Allen West guy: have your rights, just know that you can have your rights and also be interested in improving society. Most people here who are gun nuts don't want to have the conversation. They are paranoid dicks who care only about themselves and will block rational discussion at all costs.

the conversation seems to go like this:

NRA: I have 2nd amendment rights.
voters: 'yeah, but we're getting tired of people murdering kids and shooting up places of worship. plus, ya know, street crime'.
NRA: I...have SECOND AMENDMENT...rights.
voters: 'yes, we understand that but...we're trying to find a way to make sense of this tragedy. maybe gun control is part of that, maybe not. we're just tired of seeing piles of dead kindergarten children paraded around on the evening news. you're part of this discussion too ya know. any suggestions?
NRA: I have second amendment rights. you can't have them! they're MINE! DISCUSSION OVER!' [slams door]. [runs away screaming]
voters: WTF just happened...?

How about addressing mental health? There's some easy low hanging fruit that doesn't involve people literally shooting at each other because Feinstein can't stand the idea that I'm not being punished for the actions of this lunatic?

It's convenient how all of a sudden a lot of people are concerned about addressing mental health. Probably the same people who think Obamacare is socialism.


HERE

There's a proposal. From a gunsmith no less.
 
2012-12-16 08:11:13 PM  

toomuchwhargarbl: How about addressing mental health? There's some easy low hanging fruit that doesn't involve people literally shooting at each other because Feinstein can't stand the idea that I'm not being punished for the actions of this lunatic?


All right, Mr. Sensible. I suppose you'd support a national, publicly-funded initiative to research the connection between violence and mental health and to offer treatment to those who need it?

Because this gun-hater would LOVE that!
 
2012-12-16 08:11:18 PM  

randomjsa: "In the wake of a tragedy, we invited 31 people who understand the 2nd Amendment on to badger them anti 2nd Amendment talking points because we're cheap like that. Now we're pouting because they're not that stupid."


Yeah, we covered that: they declined because they're pussies who can't defend their position. 
 
2012-12-16 08:11:48 PM  

Weaver95: I am wracking my brains trying to figure out what abortion has to do with this discussion....


If it weren't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college.
 
2012-12-16 08:12:26 PM  

chuckufarlie: coeyagi: chuckufarlie: vygramul: Flying Lasagna Monster: If the assault weapons ban were allowed to still be in force, those 20 innocent children would still be alive. Hope you're all proud of yourselves, gun nuts.

That's completely false.

no, that is pretty much provable.

It's neither provable nor disprovable. I am not going to go into a long explanation as to why, anyone of any political persuasion can come up with reasons why.

of course it is provable, give him two pistols or a bolt action rifle and the number of dead would be much lower.


I'm not making any assertion about whether different weapons would have yoelded different results. But the same weapon was available.
 
2012-12-16 08:12:50 PM  

The Name: toomuchwhargarbl: How about addressing mental health? There's some easy low hanging fruit that doesn't involve people literally shooting at each other because Feinstein can't stand the idea that I'm not being punished for the actions of this lunatic?

All right, Mr. Sensible. I suppose you'd support a national, publicly-funded initiative to research the connection between violence and mental health and to offer treatment to those who need it?

Because this gun-hater would LOVE that!


Yes, I would support that. And an increase in federal support for state mental health facilities.
 
2012-12-16 08:12:51 PM  

Farker Soze: coeyagi: Farker Soze: Weaver95: Farker Soze:
OK Mao. Hope your next five year plan works splendidly. Try not to starve too many millions of farmers.

y'know...having a discussion about guns and their role in our society is an appropriate discussion to have in the wake of this sort of disaster. what are our laws? is there something we could have done to prevent this? could we have minimized the damage? how can we do better? all valid questions to ask. revisiting the gun control issue - also valid at this point.

you might not like it very much...but it's gonna happen anyway. you might not want to casually dismiss the subject so easily.

Sure. It's when he starts saying I have the Right to be Killed is when I stop taking him seriously, or start thinking of him as an asshole and not care how serious he is from then on out.

That's funny, I stop taking people seriously who don't take me seriously or misread shiat. Cheers, bro! Hope your campaign to arm America goes swimmingly (or whatever fantastic idea you have to stem the tide of violence).

I make a joke about a troll wishing violence on others thinking he has the moral high ground, and you start in on me for no reason. So I assume you approve of James Cambell's jackassery. I guess it was all a misunderstanding, so nevermind. Cheers to you too, go on blaming hunks of metal and ignore the underlying cause of mental illness because comprehensive health and psychiatric care from birth is hard.


Yeah, I only posted "mental health" about 20 times today on Fark, and several times in this thread. But go on skimming the thread if you take pride in being misinformed.
 
2012-12-16 08:14:07 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: d23: Brian Ryanberger: vygramul: jehovahs witness protection: vygramul: teto85: May they all get an enema from a Bushmaster as it unleashes a three second burst.

I wonder where people go to fire a full-auto weapon for practice. The only place I know in VA that allows it is the NRA shooting range. Then again, there aren't many people with the license required to have that kind of weapon anyway.

You could join the Army and get paid to fire full auto weapons.

Don't even have to join the army. Working as a civilian offers such opportunities. The license to own one privately is prohibitively expensive - like $2k/yr.

That philosophy should be extended to all anti-personnel firearms. Make it prohibitively expensive. Offer a 50k no questions asked tax free reward per gun when you turn somebody in.

What about just making the bar the same as driving a car. You have to take a written test to drive a car for God's sake. In most states you have to take a practical test. Make them jump through some hoops so at least they have to seem to be responsible citizens.

There isn't a 100% solution to this, though. We need to kick the people that will only accept the 100% solution ("Criminals don't pay attention to laws!" and "That's won't solve all the problems!") and kick them in the nuts and let the adults get to work on improving the situation.

Even better - one of the common arguments against gun control is "Cars kill people too!"

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Don't forget "Illegal to operate while intoxicated or under the influence of controlled substances."
 
2012-12-16 08:14:24 PM  

jbc: Folks who go through life feeling they NEED to have guns 24/7 are cowards? Who would have guessed?


Hey - a pussy with a gun in his hand is still a pussy.
 
2012-12-16 08:14:31 PM  
Alright, gotta go, but I want this issue fixed by tomorrow morning. Fark will let me down if I ever see another shooting like this again.
 
2012-12-16 08:15:27 PM  

The Name: All right, Mr. Sensible. I suppose you'd support a national, publicly-funded initiative to research the connection between violence and mental health and to offer treatment to those who need it?

Because this gun-hater would LOVE that!


Sign me up.
 
2012-12-16 08:15:31 PM  

vygramul: chuckufarlie: coeyagi: chuckufarlie: vygramul: Flying Lasagna Monster: If the assault weapons ban were allowed to still be in force, those 20 innocent children would still be alive. Hope you're all proud of yourselves, gun nuts.

That's completely false.

no, that is pretty much provable.

It's neither provable nor disprovable. I am not going to go into a long explanation as to why, anyone of any political persuasion can come up with reasons why.

of course it is provable, give him two pistols or a bolt action rifle and the number of dead would be much lower.

I'm not making any assertion about whether different weapons would have yoelded different results. But the same weapon was available.


got a citation for that?
 
2012-12-16 08:16:33 PM  

coeyagi: A) Doubtful she wants to punish you.
B) It's pretty awesome that you think not having a gun is some great punishment. While I am not advocating take away anyone's right, I get a gleeful countenance thinking of pouty faced hicks and other assorted camouflaged "patriots" stomping and huffing and puffing about their loss of guns. You truly have no idea what suffering is, guy-who-probably-never-lost-a-family-member-due-to-gun-violence.


Yes I get it, you're a weak sauced little qwar who gets a half chub off of the sense of agency you'd get from sitting back and having some government jackboots try and disarm me. And then even to add a cherry to the douche sundae, preaching at me about how I don't even know what suffering is. I was deployed to Iraq in 2003, and I cleaned people up off the road from bombs that Iraqis aimed at their fellow countrymen more than once. I promise you, I'm not some camo fastooned hick, though if it helps you maintain your internet boner, continue to imagine whatever you like.
 
2012-12-16 08:16:40 PM  

coeyagi: Alright, gotta go, but I want this issue fixed by tomorrow morning. Fark will let me down if I ever see another shooting like this again.


Just make more guns illegal, and make illegal guns MORE illegal, and we can call it a day.
 
2012-12-16 08:16:52 PM  

toomuchwhargarbl: Yes, I would support that. And an increase in federal support for state mental health facilities.


Well then, a modicum of kudos to you. Unfortunately, most of the people who obsess over their guns are the same people who don't want government to spend money on anything except wars and medicare.
 
2012-12-16 08:17:57 PM  

Tellingthem: I've posted this before...but crime has gone down significantly in the last 20 years. Around 50% per capita for homicides and violent crime. Shouldn't we be looking at what caused that and expanding efforts into that direction instead?


That's easy. More abortion. Roe v. Wade had a big effect.

These school shootings are outliers though. We need to fix the crazy to help with that.
 
2012-12-16 08:18:40 PM  

chuckufarlie: vygramul: chuckufarlie: vygramul: Flying Lasagna Monster: If the assault weapons ban were allowed to still be in force, those 20 innocent children would still be alive. Hope you're all proud of yourselves, gun nuts.

That's completely false.

no, that is pretty much provable.

It's provably false. Just what do you think was unavailable during the ban?

then by all means, scooter, go ahead and prove it false.


The law also banned possession of illegally imported or manufactured firearms, but did not ban possession or sale of pre-existing 'assault weapons' or previously factory standard magazines that were legally redefined as large capacity ammunition feeding devices.

And it wasn't hard to get. You could still buy an AR-15, it just came wihout a bayonet lug and folding stock and then buy high-cap mags.

QED
 
2012-12-16 08:19:07 PM  
it's really odd to see people who I *know* hate/despise Obamacare suddenly switch around and start talking about 'improving the mental health care system'...but only when it looks like their guns might be threatened.

this is one of the MANY things that needed to be addressed with health care reform. But the GOP fought tooth and claw to prevent it from happening. In fact, they're still fighting against it. the Republican view is that helping sick people (yes, even the mentally ill) is socialism. so which is it guys? are you now in favor of Obamacare? Or do you still want to see it repealed?
 
2012-12-16 08:19:28 PM  

toomuchwhargarbl: coeyagi: A) Doubtful she wants to punish you.
B) It's pretty awesome that you think not having a gun is some great punishment. While I am not advocating take away anyone's right, I get a gleeful countenance thinking of pouty faced hicks and other assorted camouflaged "patriots" stomping and huffing and puffing about their loss of guns. You truly have no idea what suffering is, guy-who-probably-never-lost-a-family-member-due-to-gun-violence.

Yes I get it, you're a weak sauced little qwar who gets a half chub off of the sense of agency you'd get from sitting back and having some government jackboots try and disarm me. And then even to add a cherry to the douche sundae, preaching at me about how I don't even know what suffering is. I was deployed to Iraq in 2003, and I cleaned people up off the road from bombs that Iraqis aimed at their fellow countrymen more than once. I promise you, I'm not some camo fastooned hick, though if it helps you maintain your internet boner, continue to imagine whatever you like.


I'll bet he could kick your ass in a stand up fight.
 
2012-12-16 08:20:27 PM  

chuckufarlie: vygramul: chuckufarlie: coeyagi: chuckufarlie: vygramul: Flying Lasagna Monster: If the assault weapons ban were allowed to still be in force, those 20 innocent children would still be alive. Hope you're all proud of yourselves, gun nuts.

That's completely false.

no, that is pretty much provable.

It's neither provable nor disprovable. I am not going to go into a long explanation as to why, anyone of any political persuasion can come up with reasons why.

of course it is provable, give him two pistols or a bolt action rifle and the number of dead would be much lower.

I'm not making any assertion about whether different weapons would have yoelded different results. But the same weapon was available.

got a citation for that?


Just follow the above link to wikipedia. You could still get the AR-15 only it had to come with a 10 round mag.
 
2012-12-16 08:20:28 PM  

The Name: toomuchwhargarbl: Yes, I would support that. And an increase in federal support for state mental health facilities.

Well then, a modicum of kudos to you. Unfortunately, most of the people who obsess over their guns are the same people who don't want government to spend money on anything except wars and medicare.


I'd even go farther and say that the removal of government funding from mental health and the incarceration of the mentally ill is unconstitutional and falls under cruel and unusual punishment. I'm still not giving up my guns though.
 
2012-12-16 08:21:29 PM  

Farker Soze: Tellingthem: I've posted this before...but crime has gone down significantly in the last 20 years. Around 50% per capita for homicides and violent crime. Shouldn't we be looking at what caused that and expanding efforts into that direction instead?

That's easy. More abortion. Roe v. Wade had a big effect.

These school shootings are outliers though. We need to fix the crazy to help with that.


There's also some arguments about reduced exposure to lead helping as well.

Take a bunch of people who weren't wanted and were poorly supported in early life, expose them to poisonous heavy metals growing up, and hey...crime!
 
2012-12-16 08:21:31 PM  

jso2897:
I'll bet he could kick your ass in a stand up fight.


If he wants to try my gym has waivers behind the counter. I'm there for the Muay Thai classes and open sparring is on fridays.
 
2012-12-16 08:21:32 PM  

coeyagi: Farker Soze: coeyagi: Farker Soze: Weaver95: Farker Soze:
OK Mao. Hope your next five year plan works splendidly. Try not to starve too many millions of farmers.

y'know...having a discussion about guns and their role in our society is an appropriate discussion to have in the wake of this sort of disaster. what are our laws? is there something we could have done to prevent this? could we have minimized the damage? how can we do better? all valid questions to ask. revisiting the gun control issue - also valid at this point.

you might not like it very much...but it's gonna happen anyway. you might not want to casually dismiss the subject so easily.

Sure. It's when he starts saying I have the Right to be Killed is when I stop taking him seriously, or start thinking of him as an asshole and not care how serious he is from then on out.

That's funny, I stop taking people seriously who don't take me seriously or misread shiat. Cheers, bro! Hope your campaign to arm America goes swimmingly (or whatever fantastic idea you have to stem the tide of violence).

I make a joke about a troll wishing violence on others thinking he has the moral high ground, and you start in on me for no reason. So I assume you approve of James Cambell's jackassery. I guess it was all a misunderstanding, so nevermind. Cheers to you too, go on blaming hunks of metal and ignore the underlying cause of mental illness because comprehensive health and psychiatric care from birth is hard.

Yeah, I only posted "mental health" about 20 times today on Fark, and several times in this thread. But go on skimming the thread if you take pride in being misinformed.


Kind of like how I said no such thing about campaigning to arm America. Must be nice swimming in willful ignorance.
 
2012-12-16 08:21:42 PM  

GardenWeasel: propasaurus: A kindergarten teacher with an M4 would have prevented all of this.

A kindergarten teacher with an arms cache is where AL got his weapons. After he killed her.


Tell that to Louie Gohmert.
 
2012-12-16 08:21:42 PM  
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

It says so! Therefore every American citizen that is not a felon should be issued with a muzzle loaded musket, some ball rounds an a pound of black powder. There are the "arms" that were intended in the Constitution. Not fully/semi automatic rifles and handguns with large magazines.

Don't even get me started on the meaning of a "well regulated militia". There are those that claim registering for the draft is just that but that means that all the ladies have to turn in their guns right? Right?

Cling to your guns you effing nutjobs. You have the ghost of George the third coming for revenge and lots of American governments to overthrow. So sick of the violence that I am forced to hear about three times a year because you can't understand that handguns and semiautomatic rifles designed for the military have one purpose and that is to kill people.

Let the hunters hunt with a three round mag. Let the farmers kill things that threaten their livestock with shotguns. End gun legalization there though.

No more death. If the guy had shown up at the school with a knife instead of semi automatic guns there would have been a lot less and possibly zero fatalities.

But criminals will still have guns and then they will rule America and kill my family!!!! Where do criminals get their guns? By stealing them from legal owners. Take away the supply and the gun problem diminishes significantly.

Someone brought up the idea that gun owners should have to buy insurance for their guns. Include random check by insurance companies to ensure they are stored properly. If you fail your inspection, you lose your coverage and therefore your gun. If they are stolen the insurance premium goes up because if it is used in a crime you are responsible. Until that gun is found or turned in, you pay insurance on it. I like that idea. Make it expensive to own a gun. Not illegal. It falls within the second amendment and would do a lot to make gun owners responsible.
 
2012-12-16 08:21:43 PM  

Weaver95: it's really odd to see people who I *know* hate/despise Obamacare suddenly switch around and start talking about 'improving the mental health care system'...but only when it looks like their guns might be threatened.

this is one of the MANY things that needed to be addressed with health care reform. But the GOP fought tooth and claw to prevent it from happening. In fact, they're still fighting against it. the Republican view is that helping sick people (yes, even the mentally ill) is socialism. so which is it guys? are you now in favor of Obamacare? Or do you still want to see it repealed?


Actually, since they're pushing it so much, we should take them up on it while they're "for" it.
 
2012-12-16 08:22:19 PM  

toomuchwhargarbl: The Name: toomuchwhargarbl: Yes, I would support that. And an increase in federal support for state mental health facilities.

Well then, a modicum of kudos to you. Unfortunately, most of the people who obsess over their guns are the same people who don't want government to spend money on anything except wars and medicare.

I'd even go farther and say that the removal of government funding from mental health and the incarceration of the mentally ill is unconstitutional and falls under cruel and unusual punishment. I'm still not giving up my guns though.


Me neither - but you don't hear me crying about it all day like a little biatch.
 
2012-12-16 08:23:57 PM  

jso2897: toomuchwhargarbl: The Name: toomuchwhargarbl: Yes, I would support that. And an increase in federal support for state mental health facilities.

Well then, a modicum of kudos to you. Unfortunately, most of the people who obsess over their guns are the same people who don't want government to spend money on anything except wars and medicare.

I'd even go farther and say that the removal of government funding from mental health and the incarceration of the mentally ill is unconstitutional and falls under cruel and unusual punishment. I'm still not giving up my guns though.

Me neither - but you don't hear me crying about it all day like a little biatch.


Funny, cause your posts sound like biatch crying to me.
 
2012-12-16 08:24:01 PM  

toomuchwhargarbl: chuckufarlie: coeyagi: chuckufarlie: vygramul: Flying Lasagna Monster: If the assault weapons ban were allowed to still be in force, those 20 innocent children would still be alive. Hope you're all proud of yourselves, gun nuts.

That's completely false.

no, that is pretty much provable.

It's neither provable nor disprovable. I am not going to go into a long explanation as to why, anyone of any political persuasion can come up with reasons why.

of course it is provable, give him two pistols or a bolt action rifle and the number of dead would be much lower.

I can no longer tell the trolls from the non-trolls. Time for bed.


I assure you I am neither trolling nor a member of the NRA.
 
2012-12-16 08:24:08 PM  

toomuchwhargarbl: jso2897:
I'll bet he could kick your ass in a stand up fight.

If he wants to try my gym has waivers behind the counter. I'm there for the Muay Thai classes and open sparring is on fridays.


Hahahahaha................gawd, I love Fark.
 
2012-12-16 08:24:21 PM  

Azlefty: jbc: Folks who go through life feeling they NEED to have guns 24/7 are cowards? Who would have guessed?

Took more guts to say no rather than use the kids bodies as a platform to advance you ready made agenda. Also did you know Senator Fienstien has a Coveted California CCW? Showing SHE is the one needing a gun 24/7 even with the taxpayer protection She recieves


Do you have a citation for that "taxpayer protection" thingy?
 
2012-12-16 08:24:41 PM  

toomuchwhargarbl: jso2897:
I'll bet he could kick your ass in a stand up fight.

If he wants to try my gym has waivers behind the counter. I'm there for the Muay Thai classes and open sparring is on fridays.


Oh ya, well my Krav Maga will kick your Muay Thai ass.

Seriously, we are all martial arts experts ex-military trained assassins married to supermodels and living in mansions. So you can just forget the Internet Tough Guy act because nobody believes you.
 
2012-12-16 08:24:58 PM  

chumboobler: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

It says so! Therefore every American citizen that is not a felon should be issued with a muzzle loaded musket, some ball rounds an a pound of black powder. There are the "arms" that were intended in the Constitution. Not fully/semi automatic rifles and handguns with large magazines.

Don't even get me started on the meaning of a "well regulated militia". There are those that claim registering for the draft is just that but that means that all the ladies have to turn in their guns right? Right?

Cling to your guns you effing nutjobs. You have the ghost of George the third coming for revenge and lots of American governments to overthrow. So sick of the violence that I am forced to hear about three times a year because you can't understand that handguns and semiautomatic rifles designed for the military have one purpose and that is to kill people.

Let the hunters hunt with a three round mag. Let the farmers kill things that threaten their livestock with shotguns. End gun legalization there though.

No more death. If the guy had shown up at the school with a knife instead of semi automatic guns there would have been a lot less and possibly zero fatalities.

But criminals will still have guns and then they will rule America and kill my family!!!! Where do criminals get their guns? By stealing them from legal owners. Take away the supply and the gun problem diminishes significantly.

Someone brought up the idea that gun owners should have to buy insurance for their guns. Include random check by insurance companies to ensure they are stored properly. If you fail your inspection, you lose your coverage and therefore your gun. If they are stolen the insurance premium goes up because if it is used in a crime you are responsible. Until that gun is found or turned in, you pay insurance on it. I like that idea. Make ...


Good luck repealing the 2nd Amendment to get that done.

HERE

That's about the closest you're going to get to fixing the problem. I'm a gunsmith, and even I'm willing to make some concessions. But to think you're going to repeal the 2nd Amendment is lunacy, for at least the next 35-50 years.
 
2012-12-16 08:25:19 PM  

jso2897: toomuchwhargarbl: jso2897:
I'll bet he could kick your ass in a stand up fight.

If he wants to try my gym has waivers behind the counter. I'm there for the Muay Thai classes and open sparring is on fridays.

Hahahahaha................gawd, I love Fark.


I always say this to people who threaten to kick my ass on the internet, and not one has showed up yet. Funny how that works.
 
2012-12-16 08:26:07 PM  

vygramul: Weaver95: it's really odd to see people who I *know* hate/despise Obamacare suddenly switch around and start talking about 'improving the mental health care system'...but only when it looks like their guns might be threatened.

this is one of the MANY things that needed to be addressed with health care reform. But the GOP fought tooth and claw to prevent it from happening. In fact, they're still fighting against it. the Republican view is that helping sick people (yes, even the mentally ill) is socialism. so which is it guys? are you now in favor of Obamacare? Or do you still want to see it repealed?

Actually, since they're pushing it so much, we should take them up on it while they're "for" it.


they'd claim they have a stomach ache, then change the subject and run out of the room fast as they could.
 
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