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2012-12-16 06:52:21 PM  
She announced that Senate Democrats would intrduce a new bill banning assault weapons on the first day of the new Congress in January.

I see that the Democrats are taking advantage of their political capital to waste everyone's time on whit that, it has been empirically demonstrated, will not make it into law instead of actually doing something useful.

Apparently they've watched the GOP crashing and burning like crazy because of their over-reliance on a few hot-button issues that have no chance of actually passing and staying passed, and their thought was "that seems like a good idea, let's do that".

//What I'm saying here is that this one's not a winner. It's the "make abortion illegal" of the left, just farking give up on it already and focus on intermediate measures that people are willing to give ground on, like background check. Advocating bans are just going to make you hemmorhage voters, we've heard this song before.

coeyagi: B) You must also carry insulin, AEDs, an epi pen, a first aid kit, and extra cash wherever you go, because you're "prepared".


AEDs are a bad idea in most first aid situations, and you don't really want to administer insulin to anyone that doesn't carry his/her own. But you should carry basic first aid supplies and have access to a better kit with an epi pen. And any reasonable person that's not an idiot carries 20$ in cash or so in case their card is declined.

And you should know how to administer insulin if you can.

Basically, if you're trying to be sarcastic it's kind of falling flat, because if you're a normal, responsible adult you should be able to access most of those things in short order. Not necessarily pull them out of your pockets like magic, but if you don't have a first-aid kit you keep up to date in your car and home (you likely already have one in your office due to workplace policy) then you are in fact an irresponsible little shiat. Cash I can give or take, if your card's declined and you dont have a backup that only hurts you.
 
2012-12-16 06:52:27 PM  

justinsmith354: coeyagi: justinsmith354: The Name: justinsmith354: I'm sure you would call an ambulance "prepared". However I bet hardly any of them are prepared like a cop is "prepared". Is a fireman "prepared" to take down a hostage taker?

Haha! Okay, Anselm. You care to unpack this little soliloquy on the teleology of preparedness?

Not really. I just want to continue to be able to walk down the street and be in public and be "prepared" without you ever knowing it. And I'm betting I get to.

Yep. And I plan not to wear a hoodie and carry Skittle and Snapple for fear of having my life deprived by some paranoid asshole.

HA! Well...sounds like you need to move to Arkansas. People are less backwards here than you might think. And not everyone is a moron like George Zimmerman. Kind of like everyone that references philosophers and Latin in their comments aren't all assholes.


Yeah, condemnation against book learnin'! Good stuff.

Also, writing what you've written then saying that Arkansas isn't all backwards does really nothing to help with my impression of Arkansas.
 
2012-12-16 06:53:02 PM  
I think if you just put a school resource officer in every school like they do with middle and high schools already, that would help out quite a bit without making a litigious nightmare in having teachers carry concealed weapons in the classroom.

But that's just me.


That would be a great step in the right direction.

People need to realize that designating "No gun zones" is worse that useless. It just attracts the crazies looking for easy kills, knowing it would be unlikely anybody could shoot back at them.
 
2012-12-16 06:53:10 PM  

Phony_Soldier: demaL-demaL-yeH: justinsmith354: The scenario I plan and think about has nothing to do with being a hero...but more of a "I'm for sure handing over my wallet, keys, or what ever someone wants if there isn't a serious threat to me or my family" type of scenario. Being a hero is dumb. The amount of shiat needed to hit a fan should be unreal for any CCW person to draw his/her weapon. Anyone who speaks to the contrary is a fool.

Read what you wrote there.
You have absolutely zero reason for concealed carry.

Armed non-cops rushing into the scene of a mass shooting only creates more casualties - each other and confused police. Handguns make better cudgels than they make firearms.

justinsmith354 doesn't say anything about rushing into the scene of a mass shooting. He said just wants to protect himself and is family.


Then a situation in which he would need his gun to protect his family must be unreal, because any situation requiring the drawing of a gun is unreal, by his own definition.
 
2012-12-16 06:55:37 PM  

Phony_Soldier:
justinsmith354 doesn't say anything about rushing into the scene of a mass shooting. He said just wants to protect himself and is family.


You are correct, so let's edit it appropriately.

justinsmith354: The scenario I plan and think about has nothing to do with being a hero...but more of a "I'm for sure handing over my wallet, keys, or what ever someone wants if there isn't a serious threat to me or my family" type of scenario. Being a hero is dumb. The amount of shiat needed to hit a fan should be unreal for any CCW person to draw his/her weapon. Anyone who speaks to the contrary is a fool.

Read what you wrote there.
You have absolutely zero reason for concealed carry.

/Thank you very much.
 
2012-12-16 06:55:45 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: BravadoGT: Really? None of them wanted to spend their Sunday morning getting triple-teamed and shouted down by Gregory, Feinstein and Bloomberg?

That IS strange...

Not to mention defending the indefensible.


I don't think they'd get on national television and defend the actions of the asshole who did the murder. But I see nothing wrong with still being a staunch supporter of Second Amendment rights. Especially when you have two of the biggest anti-gun loons, front and center, preaching on and on about how guns are bad.

Except in the case of Sen. Feinstein when she had a CA CCW permit and a gun in the late 70's to protect herself from loonies. Oh, and Bloomberg who has armed bodyguards to protect him from the very people he thinks are so good and kind; so well protected by the police, that they don't need a gun to protect themselves in NYC!

How quickly does Diane Feinstein forget that Columbine happened WHILE the AWB was in place. I'm sure the AWB was the first thing on Eric Harris' or Dylan Klebold's mind as they senselessly plowed through throngs of their fellow students and teachers.
 
2012-12-16 06:56:25 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: justinsmith354: The scenario I plan and think about has nothing to do with being a hero...but more of a "I'm for sure handing over my wallet, keys, or what ever someone wants if there isn't a serious threat to me or my family" type of scenario. Being a hero is dumb. The amount of shiat needed to hit a fan should be unreal for any CCW person to draw his/her weapon. Anyone who speaks to the contrary is a fool.

Read what you wrote there.
You have absolutely zero reason for concealed carry.

Armed non-cops rushing into the scene of a mass shooting only creates more casualties - each other and confused police. Handguns make better cudgels than they make firearms.


I award you no points...and my God have mercy on your soul.

WTF am I reading? Why in the hell would I rush into a scene of a mass shooting? I can assure if I'm still alive after I hear shots in a mass shooting, my old high school 40 yard dash speed would suddenly re appear. And if I'm with my family....I'm pushing them at the same speed.

Again, not every CCW permit holder is a Zimmerman. I can assure you.
 
2012-12-16 06:56:32 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH:
Armed non-cops rushing into the scene of a mass shooting only creates more casualties - each other and confused police. Handguns make better cudgels than they make firearms.


I'm sure you're an expert on mass shooting events, so I'll not question your sentiment that wearing a police uniform is the only way an armed interdiction into such an event is efficacious.
 
2012-12-16 06:56:44 PM  

d23: Brian Ryanberger: vygramul: jehovahs witness protection: vygramul: teto85: May they all get an enema from a Bushmaster as it unleashes a three second burst.

I wonder where people go to fire a full-auto weapon for practice. The only place I know in VA that allows it is the NRA shooting range. Then again, there aren't many people with the license required to have that kind of weapon anyway.

You could join the Army and get paid to fire full auto weapons.

Don't even have to join the army. Working as a civilian offers such opportunities. The license to own one privately is prohibitively expensive - like $2k/yr.

That philosophy should be extended to all anti-personnel firearms. Make it prohibitively expensive. Offer a 50k no questions asked tax free reward per gun when you turn somebody in.

What about just making the bar the same as driving a car. You have to take a written test to drive a car for God's sake. In most states you have to take a practical test. Make them jump through some hoops so at least they have to seem to be responsible citizens.

There isn't a 100% solution to this, though. We need to kick the people that will only accept the 100% solution ("Criminals don't pay attention to laws!" and "That's won't solve all the problems!") and kick them in the nuts and let the adults get to work on improving the situation.


Even better - one of the common arguments against gun control is "Cars kill people too!"

i48.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-16 06:57:46 PM  
Hai guys!

Is this the thread where we discuss how almost every mass murderer in the past few decades either had a history of mental illness and/or on some kind of mind-altering psychiatric drugs?
 
2012-12-16 06:58:06 PM  

d23: Brian Ryanberger: vygramul: jehovahs witness protection: vygramul: teto85: May they all get an enema from a Bushmaster as it unleashes a three second burst.

I wonder where people go to fire a full-auto weapon for practice. The only place I know in VA that allows it is the NRA shooting range. Then again, there aren't many people with the license required to have that kind of weapon anyway.

You could join the Army and get paid to fire full auto weapons.

Don't even have to join the army. Working as a civilian offers such opportunities. The license to own one privately is prohibitively expensive - like $2k/yr.

That philosophy should be extended to all anti-personnel firearms. Make it prohibitively expensive. Offer a 50k no questions asked tax free reward per gun when you turn somebody in.

What about just making the bar the same as driving a car. You have to take a written test to drive a car for God's sake. In most states you have to take a practical test. Make them jump through some hoops so at least they have to seem to be responsible citizens.

There isn't a 100% solution to this, though. We need to kick the people that will only accept the 100% solution ("Criminals don't pay attention to laws!" and "That's won't solve all the problems!") and kick them in the nuts and let the adults get to work on improving the situation.


The problem is that you're working with a constitutionally-enshrined right, and putting obstacles, like a literacy test, before one is allowed to exercise that right has been frowned upon.
 
2012-12-16 06:58:53 PM  

GoldSpider: Hai guys!

Is this the thread where we discuss how almost every mass murderer in the past few decades either had a history of mental illness and/or on some kind of mind-altering psychiatric drugs?


And they also used fresh fruit as their weapon.
 
2012-12-16 06:59:24 PM  

The Name: Phony_Soldier: demaL-demaL-yeH: justinsmith354: The scenario I plan and think about has nothing to do with being a hero...but more of a "I'm for sure handing over my wallet, keys, or what ever someone wants if there isn't a serious threat to me or my family" type of scenario. Being a hero is dumb. The amount of shiat needed to hit a fan should be unreal for any CCW person to draw his/her weapon. Anyone who speaks to the contrary is a fool.

Read what you wrote there.
You have absolutely zero reason for concealed carry.

Armed non-cops rushing into the scene of a mass shooting only creates more casualties - each other and confused police. Handguns make better cudgels than they make firearms.

justinsmith354 doesn't say anything about rushing into the scene of a mass shooting. He said just wants to protect himself and is family.

Then a situation in which he would need his gun to protect his family must be unreal, because any situation requiring the drawing of a gun is unreal, by his own definition.


Maybe it's a personal "shiat hitting the fan" event. Like being held up. For me personally that would be "shiat hitting the fan".

Then I guess it really depends on how "shiat hitting the fan" is defined.
 
2012-12-16 06:59:29 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: Even better - one of the common arguments against gun control is "Cars kill people too!"

i48.photobucket.com


Which of those would have prevented this incident?
 
2012-12-16 06:59:56 PM  

Flying Lasagna Monster: If the assault weapons ban were allowed to still be in force, those 20 innocent children would still be alive. Hope you're all proud of yourselves, gun nuts.


The bushmaster isn't an assault weapon. It is a small caliber semi-automatic rifle, The only difference between it and any other semi-auto is looks, it has ergonomic grips, because god forbid someone shooting might want to be comfortable doing so.
 
2012-12-16 07:00:31 PM  

Flying Lasagna Monster: If the assault weapons ban were allowed to still be in force, those 20 innocent children would still be alive. Hope you're all proud of yourselves, gun nuts.


That's completely false.
 
2012-12-16 07:01:09 PM  
And another thing pissing me off right now is the evening news, milking this tragedy for all it's worth, right now running a list of the dead, with sad pictures and sad music. Jeez, don't these assholes realize the crazies are watching, and thinking, "Wow, what an AWESOME way of making myself notorious! Look at all the attention I could get!"
 
2012-12-16 07:01:30 PM  

siphra: Flying Lasagna Monster: If the assault weapons ban were allowed to still be in force, those 20 innocent children would still be alive. Hope you're all proud of yourselves, gun nuts.

The bushmaster isn't an assault weapon. It is a small caliber semi-automatic rifle, The only difference between it and any other semi-auto is looks, it has ergonomic grips, because god forbid someone shooting might want to be comfortable doing so.


Ya, the last thing you want is to be uncomfortable when you are killing people.
 
2012-12-16 07:01:36 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: d23: Brian Ryanberger: vygramul: jehovahs witness protection: vygramul: teto85: May they all get an enema from a Bushmaster as it unleashes a three second burst.

I wonder where people go to fire a full-auto weapon for practice. The only place I know in VA that allows it is the NRA shooting range. Then again, there aren't many people with the license required to have that kind of weapon anyway.

You could join the Army and get paid to fire full auto weapons.

Don't even have to join the army. Working as a civilian offers such opportunities. The license to own one privately is prohibitively expensive - like $2k/yr.

That philosophy should be extended to all anti-personnel firearms. Make it prohibitively expensive. Offer a 50k no questions asked tax free reward per gun when you turn somebody in.

What about just making the bar the same as driving a car. You have to take a written test to drive a car for God's sake. In most states you have to take a practical test. Make them jump through some hoops so at least they have to seem to be responsible citizens.

There isn't a 100% solution to this, though. We need to kick the people that will only accept the 100% solution ("Criminals don't pay attention to laws!" and "That's won't solve all the problems!") and kick them in the nuts and let the adults get to work on improving the situation.

Even better - one of the common arguments against gun control is "Cars kill people too!"

[i48.photobucket.com image 500x675]


Again, the problem is that we have taken a dim view in the past on a literacy test before someone is allowed to exercise a right.
 
2012-12-16 07:02:09 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Phony_Soldier:
justinsmith354 doesn't say anything about rushing into the scene of a mass shooting. He said just wants to protect himself and is family.

You are correct, so let's edit it appropriately.

justinsmith354: The scenario I plan and think about has nothing to do with being a hero...but more of a "I'm for sure handing over my wallet, keys, or what ever someone wants if there isn't a serious threat to me or my family" type of scenario. Being a hero is dumb. The amount of shiat needed to hit a fan should be unreal for any CCW person to draw his/her weapon. Anyone who speaks to the contrary is a fool.

Read what you wrote there.
You have absolutely zero reason for concealed carry.

/Thank you very much.


It's been a while...but in class they mentioned that in Arkansas less than 95% of CCW permit holder had ever drawn their weapons. And less than 5% of the ones that did actually fired the weapon. I don't have citations for that...I just remember that being said.

Are you suggesting I should pull my weapon when I'm looked at in the wrong manner, or that the time for me to do so WILL NEVER COME, and I have no reason to carry at all?
 
2012-12-16 07:03:40 PM  

justinsmith354: Are you suggesting I should pull my weapon when I'm looked at in the wrong manner, or that the time for me to do so WILL NEVER COME, and I have no reason to carry at all?


The latter.
 
2012-12-16 07:04:08 PM  

justinsmith354: demaL-demaL-yeH: Phony_Soldier:
justinsmith354 doesn't say anything about rushing into the scene of a mass shooting. He said just wants to protect himself and is family.

You are correct, so let's edit it appropriately.

justinsmith354: The scenario I plan and think about has nothing to do with being a hero...but more of a "I'm for sure handing over my wallet, keys, or what ever someone wants if there isn't a serious threat to me or my family" type of scenario. Being a hero is dumb. The amount of shiat needed to hit a fan should be unreal for any CCW person to draw his/her weapon. Anyone who speaks to the contrary is a fool.

Read what you wrote there.
You have absolutely zero reason for concealed carry.

/Thank you very much.

It's been a while...but in class they mentioned that in Arkansas less than 95% of CCW permit holder had ever drawn their weapons. And less than 5% of the ones that did actually fired the weapon. I don't have citations for that...I just remember that being said.

Are you suggesting I should pull my weapon when I'm looked at in the wrong manner, or that the time for me to do so WILL NEVER COME, and I have no reason to carry at all?


Less than 95%? That's a pretty big range, ace. Again, not helping with my perception of Arkansas.
 
2012-12-16 07:04:35 PM  
I'm surprised Republicans turned out to be chickens. Completely and utterly shocked
 
2012-12-16 07:04:35 PM  

Pincy: GoldSpider: Hai guys!

Is this the thread where we discuss how almost every mass murderer in the past few decades either had a history of mental illness and/or on some kind of mind-altering psychiatric drugs?

And they also used fresh fruit as their weapon.


What about pointed sticks?
 
2012-12-16 07:05:40 PM  

mark12A: And another thing pissing me off right now is the evening news, milking this tragedy for all it's worth, right now running a list of the dead, with sad pictures and sad music. Jeez, don't these assholes realize the crazies are watching, and thinking, "Wow, what an AWESOME way of making myself notorious! Look at all the attention I could get!"


they are talking about the victims, not the idiot who shot them.

Does it make you uncomfortable to see what the lack of real gun control can cause?
 
2012-12-16 07:05:40 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: d23: Brian Ryanberger: vygramul: jehovahs witness protection: vygramul: teto85: May they all get an enema from a Bushmaster as it unleashes a three second burst.

I wonder where people go to fire a full-auto weapon for practice. The only place I know in VA that allows it is the NRA shooting range. Then again, there aren't many people with the license required to have that kind of weapon anyway.

You could join the Army and get paid to fire full auto weapons.

Don't even have to join the army. Working as a civilian offers such opportunities. The license to own one privately is prohibitively expensive - like $2k/yr.

That philosophy should be extended to all anti-personnel firearms. Make it prohibitively expensive. Offer a 50k no questions asked tax free reward per gun when you turn somebody in.

What about just making the bar the same as driving a car. You have to take a written test to drive a car for God's sake. In most states you have to take a practical test. Make them jump through some hoops so at least they have to seem to be responsible citizens.

There isn't a 100% solution to this, though. We need to kick the people that will only accept the 100% solution ("Criminals don't pay attention to laws!" and "That's won't solve all the problems!") and kick them in the nuts and let the adults get to work on improving the situation.

Even better - one of the common arguments against gun control is "Cars kill people too!"

[i48.photobucket.com image 500x675]


As to your image there are only two differences: Liability insurance isn't required, and on long arms training isn't required in CT: That being said In MA it is.

In order to own a pistol, you do have a written and a practical test. Your licence expires every 5 years, Every time you purchase a firearm the ATF is made aware of it by phone with the serial # caliber and length of barrel.


As far as "health requirements" there is no such thing for driving an automobile, that is patently false. If you can pass the eye exam you can drive. Oh and you only have to pass that exam once, you have to pass the ATF transfer test and the FBI background check every time you purchase or renew your license.
 
2012-12-16 07:05:41 PM  

The Name: justinsmith354: Are you suggesting I should pull my weapon when I'm looked at in the wrong manner, or that the time for me to do so WILL NEVER COME, and I have no reason to carry at all?

The latter.


And when that day does come after busybodies have made it illegal for the law abiding to carry, it's you're fault for being wherever you were. You were just asking for it.
 
2012-12-16 07:05:42 PM  

justinsmith354: WTF am I reading? Why in the hell would I rush into a scene of a mass shooting? I can assure if I'm still alive after I hear shots in a mass shooting, my old high school 40 yard dash speed would suddenly re appear. And if I'm with my family....I'm pushing them at the same speed.
Again, not every CCW permit holder is a Zimmerman. I can assure you.



You just confirmed that there is no justification for your concealed carry.
And just one Zimmerman is one too many.


toomuchwhargarbl: I'm sure you're an expert on mass shooting events, so I'll not question your sentiment that wearing a police uniform is the only way an armed interdiction into such an event is efficacious.



I'm a veteran. I still fire expert.
I've made no secret of these facts.
I've made no secret of my opinions, either: Pistols are a stupid choice of firearm. Concealed pistols are an even more stupid choice.
Now you have a choice: Would you care to rephrase that or simply wipe the egg off your face and go back under your bridge?
 
2012-12-16 07:06:04 PM  

coeyagi: justinsmith354: demaL-demaL-yeH: Phony_Soldier:
justinsmith354 doesn't say anything about rushing into the scene of a mass shooting. He said just wants to protect himself and is family.

You are correct, so let's edit it appropriately.

justinsmith354: The scenario I plan and think about has nothing to do with being a hero...but more of a "I'm for sure handing over my wallet, keys, or what ever someone wants if there isn't a serious threat to me or my family" type of scenario. Being a hero is dumb. The amount of shiat needed to hit a fan should be unreal for any CCW person to draw his/her weapon. Anyone who speaks to the contrary is a fool.

Read what you wrote there.
You have absolutely zero reason for concealed carry.

/Thank you very much.

It's been a while...but in class they mentioned that in Arkansas less than 95% of CCW permit holder had ever drawn their weapons. And less than 5% of the ones that did actually fired the weapon. I don't have citations for that...I just remember that being said.

Are you suggesting I should pull my weapon when I'm looked at in the wrong manner, or that the time for me to do so WILL NEVER COME, and I have no reason to carry at all?

Less than 95%? That's a pretty big range, ace. Again, not helping with my perception of Arkansas.


LMAO...5%...95% HAVE NEVER. I chuckled when I saw what I put.
 
2012-12-16 07:06:32 PM  

GoldSpider: Hai guys!

Is this the thread where we discuss how almost every mass murderer in the past few decades either had a history of mental illness and/or on some kind of mind-altering psychiatric drugs?


No.
This is the thread where we wonder why politicians didn't turn up to be publicity slandered as baby killers by a left wing rag.

/It just doesn't make sense...
 
2012-12-16 07:06:43 PM  

The AlbinoSaxon: tenpoundsofcheese:

dems are all about appealing to emotion instead of logic, so that won't work.

-2/10 Are you even trying?


no, not trying at all...yet you were the one who got hooked, not me.
 
2012-12-16 07:07:42 PM  
vygramul: Flying Lasagna Monster: If the assault weapons ban were allowed to still be in force, those 20 innocent children would still be alive. Hope you're all proud of yourselves, gun nuts.

That's completely false.


no, that is pretty much provable.
 
2012-12-16 07:08:18 PM  
way south: GoldSpider: Hai guys!

Is this the thread where we discuss how almost every mass murderer in the past few decades either had a history of mental illness and/or on some kind of mind-altering psychiatric drugs?

No.
This is the thread where we wonder why politicians didn't turn up to be publicity slandered as baby killers by a left wing rag.

/It just doesn't make sense...


Telling the truth isn't slander. Unless you're in Bizzaro Republican World.
 
2012-12-16 07:08:28 PM  

Pincy: siphra: Flying Lasagna Monster: If the assault weapons ban were allowed to still be in force, those 20 innocent children would still be alive. Hope you're all proud of yourselves, gun nuts.

The bushmaster isn't an assault weapon. It is a small caliber semi-automatic rifle, The only difference between it and any other semi-auto is looks, it has ergonomic grips, because god forbid someone shooting might want to be comfortable doing so.

Ya, the last thing you want is to be uncomfortable when you are killing people.


And how many people am I supposed to have killed, I currently own 6 different guns, need to make sure I get my minimum gun owner quota in.

I shoot regularly, and if you spend an hour or so at a range, you know what a difference the weight, and design of the weapon makes. I have never killed anyone, so tell me why it is wrong for me to want my firearms to be more user friendly?
 
2012-12-16 07:08:29 PM  

justinsmith354: I have no reason to carry at all?


*DING-DING-DING-DING-DING*
We have a winner, farkdom!
 
2012-12-16 07:08:45 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH:
toomuchwhargarbl: I'm sure you're an expert on mass shooting events, so I'll not question your sentiment that wearing a police uniform is the only way an armed interdiction into such an event is efficacious.


I'm a veteran. I still fire expert.
I've made no secret of these facts.
I've made no secret of my opinions, either: Pistols are a stupid choice of firearm. Concealed pistols are an even more stupid choice.
Now you have a choice: Would you care to rephrase that or simply wipe the egg off your face and go back under your bridge?


I'm also a veteran. So what? And I shot expert, after I had lazer surgery on my eyes on Ft Bragg in 2001, so what?

Pistols are a defensive firearm that allow me, the concealed carrier to control an area around myself in all directions against hostile persons for around 30 yards. They are the tool to carry for self defense. Your opinions are retarded and your "egg" is just nonsensical chest beating.

Moron.
 
2012-12-16 07:09:08 PM  

chuckufarlie: vygramul: Flying Lasagna Monster: If the assault weapons ban were allowed to still be in force, those 20 innocent children would still be alive. Hope you're all proud of yourselves, gun nuts.

That's completely false.

no, that is pretty much provable.


I thought he was joking/trolling.
 
2012-12-16 07:10:27 PM  

NewportBarGuy: MisterTweak: I realize absolutely nothing is going to change on gun laws

Democrats remember what happened to them after they passed the assault weapons ban. They took a heavy beating. As long as the Republicans control the House, they know they can propose a new Assault Weapons Ban, but that it will never have enough votes to pass. So, I'm assuming that is what they will try. Hell, the Republicans might even find a way to let it pass by voting present or something and allow the Democrats to lose all the purple areas. They could play it like: "This is what the Democrat Party gave you America. They took your guns. Do you trust them to protect your children?"

I'm sure that it will be highly political and not at all focused on how to reduce these kinds of horrific events.


All the Dems have to do is vote against such a bill, and claim the Repubs don't want to protect you.
/would never happen, but a guy can dream
 
2012-12-16 07:10:28 PM  

chuckufarlie: vygramul: Flying Lasagna Monster: If the assault weapons ban were allowed to still be in force, those 20 innocent children would still be alive. Hope you're all proud of yourselves, gun nuts.

That's completely false.

no, that is pretty much provable.


It's neither provable nor disprovable. I am not going to go into a long explanation as to why, anyone of any political persuasion can come up with reasons why.
 
2012-12-16 07:11:50 PM  

siphra: Pincy: siphra: Flying Lasagna Monster: If the assault weapons ban were allowed to still be in force, those 20 innocent children would still be alive. Hope you're all proud of yourselves, gun nuts.

The bushmaster isn't an assault weapon. It is a small caliber semi-automatic rifle, The only difference between it and any other semi-auto is looks, it has ergonomic grips, because god forbid someone shooting might want to be comfortable doing so.

Ya, the last thing you want is to be uncomfortable when you are killing people.

And how many people am I supposed to have killed, I currently own 6 different guns, need to make sure I get my minimum gun owner quota in.

I shoot regularly, and if you spend an hour or so at a range, you know what a difference the weight, and design of the weapon makes. I have never killed anyone, so tell me why it is wrong for me to want my firearms to be more user friendly?


It's not wrong, if you are the president, vice president, governor, mayor and sole resident of the United Republic of Siphra.
 
2012-12-16 07:13:05 PM  

siphra:
And how many people am I supposed to have killed, I currently own 6 different guns, need to make sure I get my minimum gun owner quota in.

I shoot regularly, and if you spend an hour or so at a range, you know what a difference the weight, and design of the weapon makes. I have never killed anyone, so tell me why it is wrong for me to want my firearms to be more user friendly?


Look, we all know that group punishment is immoral. But these are white male "Gun nuts" we're talking about. And if every one of them isn't disarmed. Millions of children will die.
 
2012-12-16 07:14:09 PM  

toomuchwhargarbl: siphra:
And how many people am I supposed to have killed, I currently own 6 different guns, need to make sure I get my minimum gun owner quota in.

I shoot regularly, and if you spend an hour or so at a range, you know what a difference the weight, and design of the weapon makes. I have never killed anyone, so tell me why it is wrong for me to want my firearms to be more user friendly?

Look, we all know that group punishment is immoral. But these are white male "Gun nuts" we're talking about. And if every one of them isn't disarmed. Millions of children will die.


I fear it might be too late.
 
2012-12-16 07:15:15 PM  

mittromneysdog: UConnOIFVeteran: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: UConnOIFVeteran: I would feel a lot better

Well, that's the important thing.

Since you seem to have a problem with making inferences, I'll clarify by saying that my sister would be more safe in a school with secured firearms able to be accessed by trained and responsible adults in the event of an emergency than she would be relying on wishes, dreams, paperwork and happy thoughts from people like you were an attack to happen at her school.

Pincy: UConnOIFVeteran: and keep guns secured in their desks

Because there is no way a student would ever be able to get access to a gun secured in their desk. Everyone knows that desks are impenetrable.

Right. Because I'm sure that there's no way the government could get a desk with provisions for securing a firearm that could only be accessed by the teacher. We should stick to simpler undertakings like manned spaceflight and cloning large organisms.

Pay attention folks: gun rights advocates want to live in a world where kindergarten teachers are forced to pack heat to keep their kids safe. We can live in that world. Or, we can begin discussing repeal or amendment of the 2nd Amendment.


mittromneysdog: Pincy: You did give one suggestion about having people armed at schools.

Just to be clear, the suggestions from gun rights advocates have been kindergarten teachers packing heat. Kindergarten teachers. Packing heat.

Repeal or amendment. That's where the conversation must go from here.


mittromneysdog: Lionel Mandrake: mittromneysdog: GhostFish: We need to destigmatize mental health care, make it more readily available, and reduce the negative side-effects of seeking help.

The sad irony being that forbidding people who've had mental health treatment from possessing firearms (which I've heard discussed on TV) increases the stigma and negative side-effects of seeking help.

Never heard that advocated. That's stupid.

That seems to be the direction the conversation is going. Which is sad, because the discussion needs to turn in a totally different direction: repealing the 2nd Amendment.


Lionel Mandrake: Would you like to buy a bridge? Some quality real estate in sunny Florida, maybe?

Clutch2013: Or we could do something about health care and mental health care, and maybe also deal with the fact that the people who are supposed to be the chief custodians of our gun culture are instead some of the Republican Party's biggest shills. I bet further reforms to health care and a complete overhaul/replacement of the NRA would yield better results in the long-term. Hell, maybe even short-term, too.


At least mittromneysdog isn′t one of those gun-grabbers who tries to claim that the Second Amendment doesn′t really say nor mean what it clearly and plainly says and means. I can respect the position that the Second Amendment may be outdated, have outlived its usefulness, etc., but not the usual claims that it only applies to law enforcement or the National Guard or even the military because of the word ‶militia. I disagree with that position, but I can respect it.
 
2012-12-16 07:17:34 PM  
I sleep better knowing those kids would be much less dead if he'd used the pistols or shotgun instead.
 
2012-12-16 07:18:10 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: You just confirmed that there is no justification for your concealed carry.
And just one Zimmerman is one too many.


demaL-demaL-yeH: I'm a veteran. I still fire expert.
I've made no secret of these facts.
I've made no secret of my opinions, either: Pistols are a stupid choice of firearm. Concealed pistols are an even more stupid choice.


Oh I get it...so what does someone have to say for you to bless them, or give themselves "justification" for a CCW permit. It's irresponsible for anyone in my opinion to think of themselves as a protector of anyone but themselves or their family if they are carrying a CW. That being said, it's easy to say what your going to do or how your going to react to a situation, but until that time comes (God forbid), you won't know. I'd be lying if I said I don't think about "scenarios". Some drunk dirty bum holding a half ass shank, slurryly asking for my money while trembling from DT's isn't a scenario I see myself blowing the guys head off. Sorry if that doesn't give me "justification" for my CCW.

I'm also a veteran! 11B 2/504PIR 82nd ABN 99-02. Thank you for your service BTW.
 
2012-12-16 07:18:46 PM  

Phony_Soldier: chuckufarlie: vygramul: Flying Lasagna Monster: If the assault weapons ban were allowed to still be in force, those 20 innocent children would still be alive. Hope you're all proud of yourselves, gun nuts.

That's completely false.

no, that is pretty much provable.

I thought he was joking/trolling.


nope, just incredibly stupid. The IQ of your average gun nut is usually about the same as the caliber of his favorite weapon.
 
2012-12-16 07:19:23 PM  

GoldSpider: I sleep better knowing those kids would be much less dead if he'd used the pistols or shotgun instead.


Not less dead, just less dead people.
 
2012-12-16 07:19:46 PM  

Phony_Soldier: toomuchwhargarbl: siphra:
And how many people am I supposed to have killed, I currently own 6 different guns, need to make sure I get my minimum gun owner quota in.

I shoot regularly, and if you spend an hour or so at a range, you know what a difference the weight, and design of the weapon makes. I have never killed anyone, so tell me why it is wrong for me to want my firearms to be more user friendly?

Look, we all know that group punishment is immoral. But these are white male "Gun nuts" we're talking about. And if every one of them isn't disarmed. Millions of children will die.

I fear it might be too late.


http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/thinkofthechildren.jpg
 
2012-12-16 07:20:08 PM  
 
2012-12-16 07:20:19 PM  

chuckufarlie: Not less dead, just less dead people.


How do you know?
 
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