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2012-12-16 06:25:02 PM  

UConnOIFVeteran: cchris_39: Pincy: cchris_39: Pincy:

Sucks doesn't it. What would you tell your wife/mom/sister if she was a principal? Maybe we can actually elevate this thread above the usual.

I already tried this, and the derp I got back was unbelievable. All the insults of regular with 99% less facts.

FYI, I live in CT and my sister is a teacher, and I would feel a lot better about her safety if teachers were allowed to receive training and keep guns secured in their desks than I would if another law were to be made for the lawless.


What you don't understand is that people are telling you they would rather try other solutions than having teachers pack heat in elementary schools. That would be a last resort, and a sad commentary on our society at that.
 
2012-12-16 06:25:42 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: mittromneysdog: GhostFish: We need to destigmatize mental health care, make it more readily available, and reduce the negative side-effects of seeking help.

The sad irony being that forbidding people who've had mental health treatment from possessing firearms (which I've heard discussed on TV) increases the stigma and negative side-effects of seeking help.

Never heard that advocated. That's stupid.


That seems to be the direction the conversation is going. Which is sad, because the discussion needs to turn in a totally different direction: repealing the 2nd Amendment.
 
2012-12-16 06:25:45 PM  

UConnOIFVeteran: cchris_39: Pincy: cchris_39: Pincy:

Sucks doesn't it. What would you tell your wife/mom/sister if she was a principal? Maybe we can actually elevate this thread above the usual.

I already tried this, and the derp I got back was unbelievable. All the insults of regular with 99% less facts.

FYI, I live in CT and my sister is a teacher, and I would feel a lot better about her safety if teachers were allowed to receive training and keep guns secured in their desks than I would if another law were to be made for the lawless.


Something tells me that having armed teacher would make it a nightmare liability wise for public schools, which I think is part of why they're usually gun-free zones. 

I like the School Resource Officer idea myself.
 
2012-12-16 06:25:59 PM  

Pincy: justinsmith354: //Killer of wild boar NOT people
//Because I can

So do you eat the boar you kill or do you just kill them because you can?


Both. Went hunting this morning. Killed a limit of Ducks yesterday morning. They are in my freezer now. Next to a deer tender loin and summer sausage, processed by the Mennonites that live down road. I'll kill and eat all of it...because I can.
 
2012-12-16 06:26:27 PM  

Pincy: UConnOIFVeteran: cchris_39: Pincy: cchris_39: Pincy:

Sucks doesn't it. What would you tell your wife/mom/sister if she was a principal? Maybe we can actually elevate this thread above the usual.

I already tried this, and the derp I got back was unbelievable. All the insults of regular with 99% less facts.

FYI, I live in CT and my sister is a teacher, and I would feel a lot better about her safety if teachers were allowed to receive training and keep guns secured in their desks than I would if another law were to be made for the lawless.

What you don't understand is that people are telling you they would rather try other solutions than having teachers pack heat in elementary schools. That would be a last resort, and a sad commentary on our society at that.


Not to mention that if she is keeping the gun in her desk, it's about as useful as tits on a bull. The assailant is gonna blow her away before she can put down the piece of chalk.
 
2012-12-16 06:26:27 PM  
Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) joined the show to discuss a greater need for gun control. She announced that Senate Democrats would intrduce a new bill banning assault weapons on the first day of the new Congress in January.

Yes... because the Federal Government attempting to 'ban' things has worked so well in the past.
 
2012-12-16 06:27:35 PM  

GhostFish: skullkrusher: That all sounds really nice. Nothing too actionable from a legislative perspective that wouldve helped in this case

I'm not really in favor of knee-jerk reactionary legislation, are you?
Like I said, I'd like to see some studies on the matter. I don't want new laws put in place just to make people feel good.


of course not - lots of snarky comments about mental health care, not many actual ideas on making sure those who need help get it and take their meds
 
2012-12-16 06:28:39 PM  

skullkrusher: GhostFish: skullkrusher: That all sounds really nice. Nothing too actionable from a legislative perspective that wouldve helped in this case

I'm not really in favor of knee-jerk reactionary legislation, are you?
Like I said, I'd like to see some studies on the matter. I don't want new laws put in place just to make people feel good.

of course not - lots of snarky comments about mental health care, not many actual ideas on making sure those who need help get it and take their meds


I think we're all in favor of the status quo, really. What the f*ck would we have to talk about if sh*t ain't getting real all the time?
 
2012-12-16 06:29:52 PM  

justinsmith354: Pincy: justinsmith354: //Killer of wild boar NOT people
//Because I can

So do you eat the boar you kill or do you just kill them because you can?

Both. Went hunting this morning. Killed a limit of Ducks yesterday morning. They are in my freezer now. Next to a deer tender loin and summer sausage, processed by the Mennonites that live down road. I'll kill and eat all of it...because I can.


People eat meat. That meat comes from killing animals. We all know this. So I'm just interested in why you keep saying "Because I can". Were you not able to eat meat for some reason and now you can?
 
2012-12-16 06:30:09 PM  

GhostFish: Yeah. Someone is either deemed a threat to themselves and/or others, or they're not.
If someone is deemed a threat, you don't release them into the general population.


Under the Baker Act, they're not. But being Baker Acted is one of the few ways you can lose your firearms rights short of a felony conviction. It is illegal for persons who've been committed under the Baker Act to possess firearms, and illegal for vendors to knowingly sell them.

Which has its own set of injustices associated with it. Some people are wrongfully committed. Some people have a single episode, and then go on to live normal lives, but are permanently deprived of the 2nd Amendment rights so many hold dear. Meanwhile, a guy can tell his therapist he fantasizes about going on a shooting rampage in an elementary school, and he can still buy firearms provided
he says things like "I don't think I'd ever really do it."
 
2012-12-16 06:31:13 PM  

coeyagi: I have a rational idea. Let's figure out why people murder other people and try to diminish the need for them to do that.

1) Mental health.
2) Loss of community.
3) Right-wing fear machine.
4) Glorification of the military (leading to enlistment, PTSD, ergo, see #1).
5) Drug trade

Since the discussion on gun control is about as movable as the one on abortion, why not actually consider, I dunno.... causes?


WOW. So now you're going to blame these mass shootings on the military(who apparently have a life cycle of birth, enlistment, PTSD, mass shooting)? They've been perpetrated by nutty HS and College students who never served, and in fact many of the victims of the non-school ones have been veterans, who once again put themselves in harms way to try to save others. You should be ashamed, but I'm not counting on it.

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2012-12-16 06:31:35 PM  
Did Bravado GiT really just come in here and shiat again, the run away, never to be heard from ASSGAIN???


/no...?
 
2012-12-16 06:31:40 PM  

Pincy: justinsmith354: Pincy: justinsmith354: //Killer of wild boar NOT people
//Because I can

So do you eat the boar you kill or do you just kill them because you can?

Both. Went hunting this morning. Killed a limit of Ducks yesterday morning. They are in my freezer now. Next to a deer tender loin and summer sausage, processed by the Mennonites that live down road. I'll kill and eat all of it...because I can.

People eat meat. That meat comes from killing animals. We all know this. So I'm just interested in why you keep saying "Because I can". Were you not able to eat meat for some reason and now you can?


I think he's saying he hunts because he can.

/If hunting is your interest so be it.
//Can't we all just get along?
 
2012-12-16 06:31:59 PM  

mittromneysdog: Lionel Mandrake: mittromneysdog: GhostFish: We need to destigmatize mental health care, make it more readily available, and reduce the negative side-effects of seeking help.

The sad irony being that forbidding people who've had mental health treatment from possessing firearms (which I've heard discussed on TV) increases the stigma and negative side-effects of seeking help.

Never heard that advocated. That's stupid.

That seems to be the direction the conversation is going.


No. No one with any brains wants that. The idea is to destigmatize the field of mental health so people can be given help before it gets out of hand. Like finding a benign polyp before it becomes inoperable full-body cancer.

Which is sad, because the discussion needs to turn in a totally different direction: repealing the 2nd Amendment.

Would you like to buy a bridge? Some quality real estate in sunny Florida, maybe?
 
2012-12-16 06:32:04 PM  

Pincy: justinsmith354: Pincy: justinsmith354: //Killer of wild boar NOT people
//Because I can

So do you eat the boar you kill or do you just kill them because you can?

Both. Went hunting this morning. Killed a limit of Ducks yesterday morning. They are in my freezer now. Next to a deer tender loin and summer sausage, processed by the Mennonites that live down road. I'll kill and eat all of it...because I can.

People eat meat. That meat comes from killing animals. We all know this. So I'm just interested in why you keep saying "Because I can". Were you not able to eat meat for some reason and now you can?


It's the pride in knowing that you have a swinging pair of balls between your legs, that you killed it yourself. Hey, whatever people have to do to remind themselves that they have a pair of testicles short of looking down their pants, well, so be it.
 
2012-12-16 06:32:07 PM  
I'm pretty pro gun but the answer to the Sandy Hook is not allowing guns in middle/elementary schools. There is absolutely 100% no reason to have a gun in an area concentrated with children.

If you mean passing laws that prohibit guns in schools, all you accomplish is setting up a nice juicy soft target for mass shooters to show up at and blast away, like what just happened.

If you mean taking active steps to keep guns out, like surrounding the school with fences, and passing everybody through metal detectors at the entrance to detect the guns, and provide a MEANS to stop someone with a gun from getting in, then yes, that would work great.

/paging TSA to the schoolyard, paging TSA....
 
2012-12-16 06:32:10 PM  
Hey teabaggers, try that on for size, motherfarkers!
 
2012-12-16 06:32:13 PM  
*then
 
2012-12-16 06:32:19 PM  

Pincy: justinsmith354: Pincy: justinsmith354: //Killer of wild boar NOT people
//Because I can

So do you eat the boar you kill or do you just kill them because you can?

Both. Went hunting this morning. Killed a limit of Ducks yesterday morning. They are in my freezer now. Next to a deer tender loin and summer sausage, processed by the Mennonites that live down road. I'll kill and eat all of it...because I can.

People eat meat. That meat comes from killing animals. We all know this. So I'm just interested in why you keep saying "Because I can". Were you not able to eat meat for some reason and now you can?


Because you can score free meat?

/and because invasive species destroy farm land.
 
2012-12-16 06:33:09 PM  

mittromneysdog: Lionel Mandrake: mittromneysdog: GhostFish: We need to destigmatize mental health care, make it more readily available, and reduce the negative side-effects of seeking help.

The sad irony being that forbidding people who've had mental health treatment from possessing firearms (which I've heard discussed on TV) increases the stigma and negative side-effects of seeking help.

Never heard that advocated. That's stupid.

That seems to be the direction the conversation is going. Which is sad, because the discussion needs to turn in a totally different direction: repealing the 2nd Amendment.


Or we could do something about health care and mental health care, and maybe also deal with the fact that the people who are supposed to be the chief custodians of our gun culture are instead some of the Republican Party's biggest shills. I bet further reforms to health care and a complete overhaul/replacement of the NRA would yield better results in the long-term. Hell, maybe even short-term, too.
 
2012-12-16 06:33:10 PM  

UConnOIFVeteran: coeyagi: I have a rational idea. Let's figure out why people murder other people and try to diminish the need for them to do that.

1) Mental health.
2) Loss of community.
3) Right-wing fear machine.
4) Glorification of the military (leading to enlistment, PTSD, ergo, see #1).
5) Drug trade

Since the discussion on gun control is about as movable as the one on abortion, why not actually consider, I dunno.... causes?

WOW. So now you're going to blame these mass shootings on the military(who apparently have a life cycle of birth, enlistment, PTSD, mass shooting)? They've been perpetrated by nutty HS and College students who never served, and in fact many of the victims of the non-school ones have been veterans, who once again put themselves in harms way to try to save others. You should be ashamed, but I'm not counting on it.

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You're right, no PTSD person has ever murdered anyone. Ever.
 
2012-12-16 06:33:56 PM  

coeyagi: justinsmith354: Primum: Raving lunatic gun-owners* and NRA bribery recipients are a bunch of f*cking cowards? Who. Woulda. Thunkit.

(*to be distinguished from good gun owners such as normal hunters)

Never met a CCW who wasn't a huge pussy, concerned about almost-nonexistent crime, "blacks" and "Mexicans" and constantly running through ridiculous hero-fantasy daydream bullshiat scenarios

Real men fight with their fists and words

LOL...I carry almost everywhere I go and I can assure I'm neither a pussy or concerned about "blacks and Mexicans". The scenario I plan and think about has nothing to do with being a hero...but more of a "I'm for sure handing over my wallet, keys, or what ever someone wants if there isn't a serious threat to me or my family" type of scenario. Being a hero is dumb. The amount of shiat needed to hit a fan should be unreal for any CCW person to draw his/her weapon. Anyone who speaks to the contrary is a fool.

A) Lots of fools out there.
B) You must also carry insulin, AEDs, an epi pen, a first aid kit, and extra cash wherever you go, because you're "prepared".


Your argument is dumb. Deal with it.

I'm sure you would call an ambulance "prepared". However I bet hardly any of them are prepared like a cop is "prepared". Is a fireman "prepared" to take down a hostage taker?

If I wanted to be "prepared" to save someone in anaphylactic shock, I would be carrying a farking epi pen. The only thing I'm "prepared" for is directly related to MYSELF and MY well being. Not yours or the general public.

You see...the difference is that I know that EVEN IF I WAS trying to be a "hero", the odds of me actually using my CW or an epi pen in public are probably about the same.
 
2012-12-16 06:34:11 PM  

propasaurus: Clearly, this is not the time to have a conversation about guns. It's too soon. Wait until this all blows over then we can discuss it rationally without emotion.


So that they can all say "GOD! Get OVER it, that was like TWO WEEKS ago!"
 
2012-12-16 06:34:26 PM  
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2012-12-16 06:34:33 PM  

justinsmith354: Anyone who speaks to the contrary is a fool.


You must live in Texas.
And if you seriously think anyone here believes you're going to pass up the chance to smoke a street thug, you're an idiot.
 
2012-12-16 06:36:25 PM  

justinsmith354: coeyagi: justinsmith354: Primum: Raving lunatic gun-owners* and NRA bribery recipients are a bunch of f*cking cowards? Who. Woulda. Thunkit.

(*to be distinguished from good gun owners such as normal hunters)

Never met a CCW who wasn't a huge pussy, concerned about almost-nonexistent crime, "blacks" and "Mexicans" and constantly running through ridiculous hero-fantasy daydream bullshiat scenarios

Real men fight with their fists and words

LOL...I carry almost everywhere I go and I can assure I'm neither a pussy or concerned about "blacks and Mexicans". The scenario I plan and think about has nothing to do with being a hero...but more of a "I'm for sure handing over my wallet, keys, or what ever someone wants if there isn't a serious threat to me or my family" type of scenario. Being a hero is dumb. The amount of shiat needed to hit a fan should be unreal for any CCW person to draw his/her weapon. Anyone who speaks to the contrary is a fool.

A) Lots of fools out there.
B) You must also carry insulin, AEDs, an epi pen, a first aid kit, and extra cash wherever you go, because you're "prepared".

Your argument is dumb. Deal with it.

I'm sure you would call an ambulance "prepared". However I bet hardly any of them are prepared like a cop is "prepared". Is a fireman "prepared" to take down a hostage taker?

If I wanted to be "prepared" to save someone in anaphylactic shock, I would be carrying a farking epi pen. The only thing I'm "prepared" for is directly related to MYSELF and MY well being. Not yours or the general public.

You see...the difference is that I know that EVEN IF I WAS trying to be a "hero", the odds of me actually using my CW or an epi pen in public are probably about the same.


Summation: I only give a f*ck about myself.

Cool bro, just don't use so many words to say the derptastically obvious.
 
2012-12-16 06:37:13 PM  

coeyagi: Pincy: justinsmith354: Pincy: justinsmith354: //Killer of wild boar NOT people
//Because I can

So do you eat the boar you kill or do you just kill them because you can?

Both. Went hunting this morning. Killed a limit of Ducks yesterday morning. They are in my freezer now. Next to a deer tender loin and summer sausage, processed by the Mennonites that live down road. I'll kill and eat all of it...because I can.

People eat meat. That meat comes from killing animals. We all know this. So I'm just interested in why you keep saying "Because I can". Were you not able to eat meat for some reason and now you can?

It's the pride in knowing that you have a swinging pair of balls between your legs, that you killed it yourself. Hey, whatever people have to do to remind themselves that they have a pair of testicles short of looking down their pants, well, so be it.


...OK. Call it snark, I don't care.

Can I get a full list of activities/hobbies that are "compensating for something"-free? Because mine so far only has eating, sleeping and breathing on it.
 
2012-12-16 06:38:54 PM  
Bushmaster: All you need is 700 bucks and a dream.
 
2012-12-16 06:39:26 PM  

justinsmith354: I'm sure you would call an ambulance "prepared". However I bet hardly any of them are prepared like a cop is "prepared". Is a fireman "prepared" to take down a hostage taker?


Haha! Okay, Anselm. You care to unpack this little soliloquy on the teleology of preparedness?
 
2012-12-16 06:39:50 PM  

Mentat: I've never seen the GOP so reluctant to engage in a gun rights debate. I don't think anything could come of this, but it's interesting to see that the GOP has (for the most part) enough sense to stay away from a fight involving 20 dead kindergartners.


Yeah, kind of my thought. The price of getting pro-gun rights senators to keep their mouths shut is 20 dead children.

I'm not sure it's a fair exchange, honestly; but it's good to know they actually do have a price.
 
2012-12-16 06:40:04 PM  

vygramul: jehovahs witness protection: vygramul: teto85: May they all get an enema from a Bushmaster as it unleashes a three second burst.

I wonder where people go to fire a full-auto weapon for practice. The only place I know in VA that allows it is the NRA shooting range. Then again, there aren't many people with the license required to have that kind of weapon anyway.

You could join the Army and get paid to fire full auto weapons.

Don't even have to join the army. Working as a civilian offers such opportunities. The license to own one privately is prohibitively expensive - like $2k/yr.


Gun smithing school is about the same price and you can learn to make your own.
 
2012-12-16 06:40:11 PM  

mark12A: I'm pretty pro gun but the answer to the Sandy Hook is not allowing guns in middle/elementary schools. There is absolutely 100% no reason to have a gun in an area concentrated with children.

If you mean passing laws that prohibit guns in schools, all you accomplish is setting up a nice juicy soft target for mass shooters to show up at and blast away, like what just happened.

If you mean taking active steps to keep guns out, like surrounding the school with fences, and passing everybody through metal detectors at the entrance to detect the guns, and provide a MEANS to stop someone with a gun from getting in, then yes, that would work great.

/paging TSA to the schoolyard, paging TSA....


I think if you just put a school resource officer in every school like they do with middle and high schools already, that would help out quite a bit without making a litigious nightmare in having teachers carry concealed weapons in the classroom.

But that's just me.
 
2012-12-16 06:40:54 PM  

way south: Pincy: justinsmith354: Pincy: justinsmith354: //Killer of wild boar NOT people
//Because I can

So do you eat the boar you kill or do you just kill them because you can?

Both. Went hunting this morning. Killed a limit of Ducks yesterday morning. They are in my freezer now. Next to a deer tender loin and summer sausage, processed by the Mennonites that live down road. I'll kill and eat all of it...because I can.

People eat meat. That meat comes from killing animals. We all know this. So I'm just interested in why you keep saying "Because I can". Were you not able to eat meat for some reason and now you can?

Because you can score free meat?

/and because invasive species destroy farm land.


OH...I get it now. I think it was another thread where people were talking about owning an "assault weapon" because in short...they could. I forgot where I was.

Their argument was poorly linked to automobiles....like saying...why does anyone "NEED" a super car that goes 200+ MPH? And they said...because they could. Just like they can buy a Viking Tactical OBR.

And yes...wild hogs are becoming a problem around here.
 
2012-12-16 06:41:32 PM  
So the same people who bargained away my rights to free speech and privacy after 9/11 are afraid to be on the receiving (in the Prison biatch sense) end of the Fear Machine?

How nice for them to be able to opt out.
 
2012-12-16 06:42:29 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Mentat: I've never seen the GOP so reluctant to engage in a gun rights debate. I don't think anything could come of this, but it's interesting to see that the GOP has (for the most part) enough sense to stay away from a fight involving 20 dead kindergartners.

Yeah, kind of my thought. The price of getting pro-gun rights senators to keep their mouths shut is 20 dead children.

I'm not sure it's a fair exchange, honestly; but it's good to know they actually do have a price.


See pro-gun senators are people too.
 
2012-12-16 06:42:29 PM  

Clutch2013: coeyagi: Pincy: justinsmith354: Pincy: justinsmith354: //Killer of wild boar NOT people
//Because I can

So do you eat the boar you kill or do you just kill them because you can?

Both. Went hunting this morning. Killed a limit of Ducks yesterday morning. They are in my freezer now. Next to a deer tender loin and summer sausage, processed by the Mennonites that live down road. I'll kill and eat all of it...because I can.

People eat meat. That meat comes from killing animals. We all know this. So I'm just interested in why you keep saying "Because I can". Were you not able to eat meat for some reason and now you can?

It's the pride in knowing that you have a swinging pair of balls between your legs, that you killed it yourself. Hey, whatever people have to do to remind themselves that they have a pair of testicles short of looking down their pants, well, so be it.

...OK. Call it snark, I don't care.

Can I get a full list of activities/hobbies that are "compensating for something"-free? Because mine so far only has eating, sleeping and breathing on it.


Reading, watching movies, arts / crafts, seeing a play, acting - totally ball-affirming.

//watches / plays sports - because I like competition, which is kinda healthy for society and the individual.
 
2012-12-16 06:42:58 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Azlefty: jbc: Folks who go through life feeling they NEED to have guns 24/7 are cowards? Who would have guessed?

Took more guts to say no rather than use the kids bodies as a platform to advance you ready made agenda. Also did you know Senator Fienstien has a Coveted California CCW? Showing SHE is the one needing a gun 24/7 even with the taxpayer protection She recieves

She wants HER gun 24/7, but she doesn't believe that us peasants deserve the same right.


Well, we all agree the mentally ill shouldn't have guns, so yes, you probably shouldn't have a gun.
 
2012-12-16 06:43:40 PM  
Mugger: "Gimme your wallet!"
Responsible gun owner: "Sure thing, here ya go. Don't want any trouble."
Mugger: "And your watch & ring,too."
Responsible gun owner: "No problem, stay calm, a watch isn't worth getting killed over."
Mugger: "What else you got?"
Responsible gun owner: "Just this fully loaded 9mm..."

BLAM!
 
2012-12-16 06:44:45 PM  

The Name: justinsmith354: I'm sure you would call an ambulance "prepared". However I bet hardly any of them are prepared like a cop is "prepared". Is a fireman "prepared" to take down a hostage taker?

Haha! Okay, Anselm. You care to unpack this little soliloquy on the teleology of preparedness?


Not really. I just want to continue to be able to walk down the street and be in public and be "prepared" without you ever knowing it. And I'm betting I get to.
 
2012-12-16 06:46:09 PM  

justinsmith354: The Name: justinsmith354: I'm sure you would call an ambulance "prepared". However I bet hardly any of them are prepared like a cop is "prepared". Is a fireman "prepared" to take down a hostage taker?

Haha! Okay, Anselm. You care to unpack this little soliloquy on the teleology of preparedness?

Not really. I just want to continue to be able to walk down the street and be in public and be "prepared" without you ever knowing it. And I'm betting I get to.


Yep. And I plan not to wear a hoodie and carry Skittle and Snapple for fear of having my life deprived by some paranoid asshole.
 
2012-12-16 06:47:00 PM  

justinsmith354: The scenario I plan and think about has nothing to do with being a hero...but more of a "I'm for sure handing over my wallet, keys, or what ever someone wants if there isn't a serious threat to me or my family" type of scenario. Being a hero is dumb. The amount of shiat needed to hit a fan should be unreal for any CCW person to draw his/her weapon. Anyone who speaks to the contrary is a fool.


Read what you wrote there.
You have absolutely zero reason for concealed carry.

Armed non-cops rushing into the scene of a mass shooting only creates more casualties - each other and confused police. Handguns make better cudgels than they make firearms.
 
2012-12-16 06:49:49 PM  

propasaurus: Mugger: "Gimme your wallet!"
Responsible gun owner: "Sure thing, here ya go. Don't want any trouble."
Mugger: "And your watch & ring,too."
Responsible gun owner: "No problem, stay calm, a watch isn't worth getting killed over."
Mugger: "What else you got?"
Responsible gun owner: "Just this fully loaded 9mm..."

BLAM!


Sounds very Christian. That's in the Sermon on the Mount, right?
 
2012-12-16 06:50:17 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: justinsmith354: The scenario I plan and think about has nothing to do with being a hero...but more of a "I'm for sure handing over my wallet, keys, or what ever someone wants if there isn't a serious threat to me or my family" type of scenario. Being a hero is dumb. The amount of shiat needed to hit a fan should be unreal for any CCW person to draw his/her weapon. Anyone who speaks to the contrary is a fool.

Read what you wrote there.
You have absolutely zero reason for concealed carry.

Armed non-cops rushing into the scene of a mass shooting only creates more casualties - each other and confused police. Handguns make better cudgels than they make firearms.


justinsmith354 doesn't say anything about rushing into the scene of a mass shooting. He said just wants to protect himself and is family.
 
2012-12-16 06:50:45 PM  

coeyagi: justinsmith354: The Name: justinsmith354: I'm sure you would call an ambulance "prepared". However I bet hardly any of them are prepared like a cop is "prepared". Is a fireman "prepared" to take down a hostage taker?

Haha! Okay, Anselm. You care to unpack this little soliloquy on the teleology of preparedness?

Not really. I just want to continue to be able to walk down the street and be in public and be "prepared" without you ever knowing it. And I'm betting I get to.

Yep. And I plan not to wear a hoodie and carry Skittle and Snapple for fear of having my life deprived by some paranoid asshole.


HA! Well...sounds like you need to move to Arkansas. People are less backwards here than you might think. And not everyone is a moron like George Zimmerman. Kind of like everyone that references philosophers and Latin in their comments aren't all assholes.
 
2012-12-16 06:51:51 PM  
If the assault weapons ban were allowed to still be in force, those 20 innocent children would still be alive. Hope you're all proud of yourselves, gun nuts.
 
2012-12-16 06:52:21 PM  
She announced that Senate Democrats would intrduce a new bill banning assault weapons on the first day of the new Congress in January.

I see that the Democrats are taking advantage of their political capital to waste everyone's time on whit that, it has been empirically demonstrated, will not make it into law instead of actually doing something useful.

Apparently they've watched the GOP crashing and burning like crazy because of their over-reliance on a few hot-button issues that have no chance of actually passing and staying passed, and their thought was "that seems like a good idea, let's do that".

//What I'm saying here is that this one's not a winner. It's the "make abortion illegal" of the left, just farking give up on it already and focus on intermediate measures that people are willing to give ground on, like background check. Advocating bans are just going to make you hemmorhage voters, we've heard this song before.

coeyagi: B) You must also carry insulin, AEDs, an epi pen, a first aid kit, and extra cash wherever you go, because you're "prepared".


AEDs are a bad idea in most first aid situations, and you don't really want to administer insulin to anyone that doesn't carry his/her own. But you should carry basic first aid supplies and have access to a better kit with an epi pen. And any reasonable person that's not an idiot carries 20$ in cash or so in case their card is declined.

And you should know how to administer insulin if you can.

Basically, if you're trying to be sarcastic it's kind of falling flat, because if you're a normal, responsible adult you should be able to access most of those things in short order. Not necessarily pull them out of your pockets like magic, but if you don't have a first-aid kit you keep up to date in your car and home (you likely already have one in your office due to workplace policy) then you are in fact an irresponsible little shiat. Cash I can give or take, if your card's declined and you dont have a backup that only hurts you.
 
2012-12-16 06:52:27 PM  

justinsmith354: coeyagi: justinsmith354: The Name: justinsmith354: I'm sure you would call an ambulance "prepared". However I bet hardly any of them are prepared like a cop is "prepared". Is a fireman "prepared" to take down a hostage taker?

Haha! Okay, Anselm. You care to unpack this little soliloquy on the teleology of preparedness?

Not really. I just want to continue to be able to walk down the street and be in public and be "prepared" without you ever knowing it. And I'm betting I get to.

Yep. And I plan not to wear a hoodie and carry Skittle and Snapple for fear of having my life deprived by some paranoid asshole.

HA! Well...sounds like you need to move to Arkansas. People are less backwards here than you might think. And not everyone is a moron like George Zimmerman. Kind of like everyone that references philosophers and Latin in their comments aren't all assholes.


Yeah, condemnation against book learnin'! Good stuff.

Also, writing what you've written then saying that Arkansas isn't all backwards does really nothing to help with my impression of Arkansas.
 
2012-12-16 06:53:02 PM  
I think if you just put a school resource officer in every school like they do with middle and high schools already, that would help out quite a bit without making a litigious nightmare in having teachers carry concealed weapons in the classroom.

But that's just me.


That would be a great step in the right direction.

People need to realize that designating "No gun zones" is worse that useless. It just attracts the crazies looking for easy kills, knowing it would be unlikely anybody could shoot back at them.
 
2012-12-16 06:53:10 PM  

Phony_Soldier: demaL-demaL-yeH: justinsmith354: The scenario I plan and think about has nothing to do with being a hero...but more of a "I'm for sure handing over my wallet, keys, or what ever someone wants if there isn't a serious threat to me or my family" type of scenario. Being a hero is dumb. The amount of shiat needed to hit a fan should be unreal for any CCW person to draw his/her weapon. Anyone who speaks to the contrary is a fool.

Read what you wrote there.
You have absolutely zero reason for concealed carry.

Armed non-cops rushing into the scene of a mass shooting only creates more casualties - each other and confused police. Handguns make better cudgels than they make firearms.

justinsmith354 doesn't say anything about rushing into the scene of a mass shooting. He said just wants to protect himself and is family.


Then a situation in which he would need his gun to protect his family must be unreal, because any situation requiring the drawing of a gun is unreal, by his own definition.
 
2012-12-16 06:55:37 PM  

Phony_Soldier:
justinsmith354 doesn't say anything about rushing into the scene of a mass shooting. He said just wants to protect himself and is family.


You are correct, so let's edit it appropriately.

justinsmith354: The scenario I plan and think about has nothing to do with being a hero...but more of a "I'm for sure handing over my wallet, keys, or what ever someone wants if there isn't a serious threat to me or my family" type of scenario. Being a hero is dumb. The amount of shiat needed to hit a fan should be unreal for any CCW person to draw his/her weapon. Anyone who speaks to the contrary is a fool.

Read what you wrote there.
You have absolutely zero reason for concealed carry.

/Thank you very much.
 
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