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2012-12-16 05:55:54 PM

12349876: NewportBarGuy: One exception? Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) told Fox News Sunday that he believed more guns are the answer to violence in schools.

"I wish to god she had had an M4 in her office," he said of Sandy Hook Elementary School principal Dawn Hochsprung, who was killed in the shooting.

Louie, you are the Prince of Derptown.

The stupid thing about that quote is one of three things has to happen.

1) The gun is on the adult's body at all times liable to be taken via sucker punch esp. if it's know they have gun
2) The gun is locked up enough to not matter for a sudden break in to a small room, though admittedly someone in a nearby room could prepare
3) The gun is accessible enough for someone to steal and shoot


The principal wasn't in her office; she was meeting with a parent in another room near the classrooms with the vice-principal and a psychologist. Had there been a military rifle in the office, she would have had to leave the meeting room, assess the situation, run to the office (past the gunman, btw), get the key, unlock the storage area, unlock where the ammo is kept, load the weapon, and then confront the gunman. I kind of doubt he would have patiently waited for her to accomplish all that before shooting anyone.

The principal and psychologist died trying to stop the gunman. The vice-principal was injured and got to the office, where he activated the PA system. In this real life situation, who gets out the gun? The secretary? Or is the principal supposed to carry the rifle and ammo with her at all times? Gohmert is an idiot and a fool, basically just another one of those "more guns will make us safe" NRA shills who are too brain-dead to do their own thinking. The Wild West was a society as he described; everyone was armed, and no, it was NOT safer for everyone like that. In fact, the first thing that happened when law enforcement officers moved into an area like that was to ban weapons from towns, bars and saloons, anywhere where the chance for violent outbursts were common.

I don't blame the GOP for not going on TV today to debate gun control laws. I give them intelligence enough to realize they couldn't defend the indefensible. I also don't expect them to change one iota off their pro-gun, anti-responsibility message they've been pushing about guns for decades now either.
 
2012-12-16 05:56:01 PM
"Come on our show so we can take your logical principled and correct stance and emotionalize it and make you a dick. What's a matter? Why aren't you doing things that we can spin to make you look bad?"
 
2012-12-16 05:56:26 PM

NewportBarGuy: One exception? Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) told Fox News Sunday that he believed more guns are the answer to violence in schools. "I wish to god she had had an M4 in her office," he said of Sandy Hook Elementary School principal Dawn Hochsprung, who was killed in the shooting.


The Pricipal. Starring Samuel L Jackson as Dawn Hochsprung: "Enough is enough! I've had it with these motherfarking schizophrenics in my motherfarking elementary school!"

Is he dead or not?
 
2012-12-16 05:58:28 PM

Mentat: I've never seen the GOP so reluctant to engage in a gun rights debate. I don't think anything could come of this, but it's interesting to see that the GOP has (for the most part) enough sense to stay away from a fight involving 20 dead kindergartners.


Exactly, now is not the time for the GOP to debate this. Democrats are trying to lure them into an obvious trap. I can't say I blame either side, but it is kind of shameless.
 
2012-12-16 05:58:51 PM

Pokey.Clyde: Oh, look. Yet another gun thread filled with people who know little to nothing about guns telling the rest of us what we can and can't do with our legal, constitutionally protected firearms.


Didn't you just run away crying from the other gun thread?
 
2012-12-16 05:59:57 PM

KidneyStone: NewportBarGuy: One exception? Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) told Fox News Sunday that he believed more guns are the answer to violence in schools.

"I wish to god she had had an M4 in her office," he said of Sandy Hook Elementary School principal Dawn Hochsprung, who was killed in the shooting.

Louie, you are the Prince of Derptown.

In case you didn't notice, not having a rifle didn't work out so well. But who's to say having a rifle would have made a difference?

I can say one thing: you can't win a raffle without having a ticket


But 99.9% of the people who bought a ticket don't win.
 
2012-12-16 06:00:06 PM

Mrbogey: "Come on our show so we can take your logical principled and correct stance and emotionalize it and make you a dick. What's a matter? Why aren't you doing things that we can spin to make you look bad?"


Correct stance? This post brought to you by your friends at the NRA. Keeping America afraid and armed so that corporations can make immense profit off the death of thousands.

//yeah, yeah, I know, just arm everybody. Keep posting that every single thread, bro. Someone, at least one person is likely to buy into it.
 
2012-12-16 06:00:38 PM
Conservatives think that if you favor gun control, you hate America, but I disagree. It seems obvious to me that if you hated America, you'd be in favor of more guns so that there can be more mass shootings.
 
2012-12-16 06:00:42 PM
That's so weird. I just looked in my thesaurus under the entry "craven." It listed "pro-gun rights Senator" as a synonym.
 
2012-12-16 06:00:48 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: UConnOIFVeteran: I would feel a lot better

Well, that's the important thing.


Since you seem to have a problem with making inferences, I'll clarify by saying that my sister would be more safe in a school with secured firearms able to be accessed by trained and responsible adults in the event of an emergency than she would be relying on wishes, dreams, paperwork and happy thoughts from people like you were an attack to happen at her school.

Pincy: UConnOIFVeteran: and keep guns secured in their desks

Because there is no way a student would ever be able to get access to a gun secured in their desk. Everyone knows that desks are impenetrable.


Right. Because I'm sure that there's no way the government could get a desk with provisions for securing a firearm that could only be accessed by the teacher. We should stick to simpler undertakings like manned spaceflight and cloning large organisms.
 
2012-12-16 06:00:57 PM

Pincy: So if all these recent tragedies are just the result of mentally ill people then how do you propose prevent further such incidents? Or are you saying that this is just a part of life we have to learn to live with?


Finally a reasonable debate question, thank you.

Honestly, I have no idea. My sister is an elementary principal. I (and it turns out many others) told her get a gun and keep in her drawer. Like most educators, she is the type that would throw her whole 5-2 buck twenty at the shooter to save her kids.

Sucks I know but having some people at the school armed and ready is the best I have.
 
2012-12-16 06:01:15 PM

WTF Indeed: cchris_39: skullkrusher: AverageJoe77: WTF Indeed: It's good to see that Americans from both sides of the gun issue are standing up to do nothing about making sure the mentally unstable are properly diagnosed and treated so that they don't act on the urge to murder children. oh wait...

That would require spending money on the unwashed masses. We can't have that!

How do you propose the mentally unstable are diagnosed and treated? Forced mental health checks?

You just don't get it do you. If something bad happens, more government control and more government spending can fix it. Duh.

Ah, the old "I've tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas." game. Here's tip from a pro-gun lib: If the gun lobby starts talking about mental health, then you change the subject from gun control and it's a win-win. You get to keep all your guns, and you can blame the government for not helping these people more.


you haven't suggested any concrete ideas. White kid, affluent family - how are we to ensure he gets diagnosed and treated? Maybe a neighbor can report him for suspicion of insanity?
 
2012-12-16 06:01:18 PM

Primum: Never met a CCW who wasn't a huge pussy, concerned about almost-nonexistent crime, "blacks" and "Mexicans" and constantly running through ridiculous hero-fantasy daydream bullshiat scenarios


I once worked with a guy who had a concealed carry license and went packin' everywhere he went. One time I asked him why he carried, and he said it was because he cared about people and didn't want to see them hurt in the event of a shooting or a robbery or whatever. That conversation ended with me rolling my eyes, saying, "If you care so much about people, then feed the poor," and walking off.

But it got me to thinking, I bet a lot of people carry for just that reason, because they "care" so much. I wonder how many of them carry insulin around, or a first aid kit, or a defibrillator, or a fire extinguisher, or even extra cash for emergencies. You know, just in the off-chance that someone's life depends on it.
 
2012-12-16 06:02:21 PM

James F. Campbell: Conservatives think that if you favor gun control, you hate America, but I disagree. It seems obvious to me that if you hated America, you'd be in favor of more guns so that there can be more mass shootings.


No, no, no... the talking point is that it will reduce gun violence if we arm everyone. Because somewhere in Georgia, it actually did. It must have been so tough convincing everyone in that town to get a gun. It would be like asking them if they want to f*ck their cousin in the back of their Chevy.
 
2012-12-16 06:03:49 PM

James F. Campbell: Conservatives think that if you favor gun control, you hate America, but I disagree. It seems obvious to me that if you hated America, you'd be in favor of more guns so that there can be more mass shootings.


Why do you hate America?
 
2012-12-16 06:03:55 PM

UConnOIFVeteran: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: UConnOIFVeteran: I would feel a lot better

Well, that's the important thing.

Since you seem to have a problem with making inferences, I'll clarify by saying that my sister would be more safe in a school with secured firearms able to be accessed by trained and responsible adults in the event of an emergency than she would be relying on wishes, dreams, paperwork and happy thoughts from people like you were an attack to happen at her school.

Pincy: UConnOIFVeteran: and keep guns secured in their desks

Because there is no way a student would ever be able to get access to a gun secured in their desk. Everyone knows that desks are impenetrable.

Right. Because I'm sure that there's no way the government could get a desk with provisions for securing a firearm that could only be accessed by the teacher. We should stick to simpler undertakings like manned spaceflight and cloning large organisms.


Pay attention folks: gun rights advocates want to live in a world where kindergarten teachers are forced to pack heat to keep their kids safe. We can live in that world. Or, we can begin discussing repeal or amendment of the 2nd Amendment.
 
2012-12-16 06:04:36 PM
Sounds like 31 people who realized it would basically be a kangaroo court interview situation if they had taken the offer. I guarantee, whether I agree or not, that they would have been held accountable for a mentally challenged young man and have had no way to counter that.
 
2012-12-16 06:05:00 PM

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese:
You can make decisions based on logic without resorting to the whining of "fairness" which the dems oddly confuse with having empathy.

right - so you believe that emotions are a weakness and that cold, remorseless logic should be how to run a proper government. empathy? bah! purge that nonsense from your lexicon!


Not all emotions. Blind, judgmental anger comes in handy for the GOP.
 
2012-12-16 06:05:30 PM

cchris_39: Pincy: So if all these recent tragedies are just the result of mentally ill people then how do you propose prevent further such incidents? Or are you saying that this is just a part of life we have to learn to live with?

Finally a reasonable debate question, thank you.

Honestly, I have no idea.


And finally, an honest answer.
 
2012-12-16 06:05:47 PM

BravadoGT: Really? None of them wanted to spend their Sunday morning getting triple-teamed and shouted down by Gregory, Feinstein and Bloomberg?

That IS strange...


So, what you're saying is that they're pussies?

Or do they fear that they will be unable to defend their position?

Both?
 
2012-12-16 06:05:52 PM

Nezu Chiza: Sounds like 31 people who realized it would basically be a kangaroo court interview situation if they had taken the offer. I guarantee, whether I agree or not, that they would have been held accountable for a mentally challenged young man and have had no way to counter that.


Most mentally challenged are bootstrappy enough to make a mark on this world without resorting to violence. They're called Republicans.
 
2012-12-16 06:07:18 PM

Mrbogey: "Come on our show so we can take your logical principled and correct stance and emotionalize it and make you a dick. What's a matter? Why aren't you doing things that we can spin to make you look bad?"


So, pro-gun people don't have good arguments and/or are inherently inferior at defending their position?

Wow, a lot of tough gun-guys are sounding really pussy right now.
 
2012-12-16 06:08:08 PM

Nezu Chiza: Sounds like 31 people who realized it would basically be a kangaroo court interview situation if they had taken the offer. I guarantee, whether I agree or not, that they would have been held accountable for a mentally challenged young man and have had no way to counter that.


David Gregory is a Republican.
 
2012-12-16 06:08:13 PM

Pincy: cchris_39: Pincy: So if all these recent tragedies are just the result of mentally ill people then how do you propose prevent further such incidents? Or are you saying that this is just a part of life we have to learn to live with?

Finally a reasonable debate question, thank you.

Honestly, I have no idea.

And finally, an honest answer.


OK, sorry, I was trying to be a little funny and that was a bit unfair to you. I apologize.

You did give one suggestion about having people armed at schools. It's not the way I would like to go, but we can disagree without me taking a cheap shot.
 
2012-12-16 06:08:27 PM
The guns are perfectly safe, meticulously engineered and manufactured to impeccable standards of quality and reliability unmatched in the field of consumer products.

It's the humans that are unsafe. So we need to find a means of producing better humans and weeding out the ones with safety issues and correcting them before they explode and take out bystanders.
 
2012-12-16 06:08:28 PM

Pincy: blueknight: no weaver, they will be on FOX monday i will say. they will get softball questions and fake how tore up they are over someone with a mental illness. the guns wont be mentioned

And then they will follow that up with a tirade against Obamacare and how we shouldn't have to be forced to pay for other people's problems.


Yup. They will not appear on a program where their positions might be challenged in any way not pre-arranged with the hosts. They will parade onto Fox News, where their talking points can be regurgitated verbatim, unencumbered by opposing views or even rational questions.
 
2012-12-16 06:08:31 PM

Primum: Raving lunatic gun-owners* and NRA bribery recipients are a bunch of f*cking cowards? Who. Woulda. Thunkit.

(*to be distinguished from good gun owners such as normal hunters)

Never met a CCW who wasn't a huge pussy, concerned about almost-nonexistent crime, "blacks" and "Mexicans" and constantly running through ridiculous hero-fantasy daydream bullshiat scenarios

Real men fight with their fists and words


I had one job where I strongly considered renewing my long-expired carry permit. I decided it was a better idea to change jobs. Carrying a gun is a pain in the ass, the best possible outcome is I accidentally leave it on a piece of equipment after removing it to mount something heavy, worst outcome is I actually use the thing. Even the people who supported Bernie Goetz (sp?) didn't want to actually live next door to the nut. I don't want to be that guy.
 
2012-12-16 06:09:20 PM
I demand the right to carry a bazooka onto a plane.

Farking watered down rights.

Arms include bazookas. Does constitution say firearms? No. IT SAYS ARMS. Does constitution mention planes? No. IT SAYS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

Sick of weasally constitution-violating NRA.

Bazookas on planes. MY RIGHT. MY RIGHT. MY RIGHT.
 
2012-12-16 06:09:24 PM
I'm pretty pro gun but the answer to the Sandy Hook is not allowing guns in middle/elementary schools. There is absolutely 100% no reason to have a gun in an area concentrated with children.
 
2012-12-16 06:09:25 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Mrbogey: "Come on our show so we can take your logical principled and correct stance and emotionalize it and make you a dick. What's a matter? Why aren't you doing things that we can spin to make you look bad?"

So, pro-gun people don't have good arguments and/or are inherently inferior at defending their position?

Wow, a lot of tough gun-guys are sounding really pussy right now.


Sure they can. Now just isn't the time to do it.
 
2012-12-16 06:10:22 PM
It's not fair to discuss X so soon after X was so effectively used to massacre children. It makes it really hard for guys who use X to substitute for a reasonably-sized penis.
 
2012-12-16 06:10:46 PM

Pincy: You did give one suggestion about having people armed at schools.


Just to be clear, the suggestions from gun rights advocates have been kindergarten teachers packing heat. Kindergarten teachers. Packing heat.

Repeal or amendment. That's where the conversation must go from here.
 
2012-12-16 06:11:25 PM

Phony_Soldier: Lionel Mandrake: Mrbogey: "Come on our show so we can take your logical principled and correct stance and emotionalize it and make you a dick. What's a matter? Why aren't you doing things that we can spin to make you look bad?"

So, pro-gun people don't have good arguments and/or are inherently inferior at defending their position?

Wow, a lot of tough gun-guys are sounding really pussy right now.

Sure they can. Now just isn't the time to do it.


Yeah...never is.

Their arguments must be really good, but I guess we'll never know.
 
2012-12-16 06:11:27 PM

siphra: Some numbers for you:

In 1992 Gun laws were stricter throughout the nation than they are now, many states had no CCW at all. In fact only 9 did. That year there were about 25,000 firearms related murders. In the last 20 years more than 40 states now have CCW, gun ownership is up from approximately 50 million to 80 million and the number of gun related murders is now down below 9,000.

For all of those of you who say 'more guns is safer is just derp' those are the factual numbers. Historically crime increases in bad economies, however the trend for firearms related deaths is simple: The more people that have guns, the less likely there is to be a gun related murder.

While I do oppose teachers carrying guns, which has been promoted by a few RWNJs, here is another startling fact for you: In Israel they had similar issues, teachers were issued guns, school shootings went away.

In Switzerland 1/2 the population owns guns, they have the lowest gun crime rate in the world.

In nations that ban guns, the trend is simple: More crime, more violence, more murder, more assault, and more rape.

Sources(not linked because I am too lazy on this my 3rd day of discussions) : FBI UCR; CDC; and Various UK, Australian; NZ, and other European law enforcement sites, WHO, and UN sites all confirm what I have just said, don't believe me go look it up yourself. ( I know one of you is going to point out the decline in murders in every nation in the world as proof I am wrong, here in the US murder is on the decline too clearly shown in the FBI UCR and CDC websites.


If you have read Freakonomics, you'd know that just as easily attribute the drop in crime to legal abortions, better sex ed, and easier access/better social acceptance of birth control for teens. There are so many demographic/economic factors in play with those stats you quote that it is damn near impossible to nail the drop in crime down to a single cause. Saying it is entirely due to concealed carry is disingenuous at best.
 
2012-12-16 06:11:47 PM

The Name: Primum: Never met a CCW who wasn't a huge pussy, concerned about almost-nonexistent crime, "blacks" and "Mexicans" and constantly running through ridiculous hero-fantasy daydream bullshiat scenarios

I once worked with a guy who had a concealed carry license and went packin' everywhere he went. One time I asked him why he carried, and he said it was because he cared about people and didn't want to see them hurt in the event of a shooting or a robbery or whatever. That conversation ended with me rolling my eyes, saying, "If you care so much about people, then feed the poor," and walking off.

But it got me to thinking, I bet a lot of people carry for just that reason, because they "care" so much. I wonder how many of them carry insulin around, or a first aid kit, or a defibrillator, or a fire extinguisher, or even extra cash for emergencies. You know, just in the off-chance that someone's life depends on it.


Are you suggesting its ok to walk into a building and remove all the fire extinguishers and defribrilators from the walls because they'll probably not be needed on any given day?

/and who the hell doesn't keep emergency cash on hand?
/I do keep a larger than normal first aid kit in the truck, but no insulin.
/can't plan for everything.
 
2012-12-16 06:11:50 PM
What happened to politicians being representatives of their constituents? Why WOULD someone go on national TV who's a representative of a district or state that is massively pro 2nd amendment/anti-anything ban just to hear an opposing view and opinion? What good would it do?

/AR-15 owner
//Killer of wild boar NOT people
//Because I can
 
2012-12-16 06:12:34 PM

Pincy: cchris_39: Pincy: So if all these recent tragedies are just the result of mentally ill people then how do you propose prevent further such incidents? Or are you saying that this is just a part of life we have to learn to live with?

Finally a reasonable debate question, thank you.

Honestly, I have no idea.

And finally, an honest answer.


Sucks doesn't it. What would you tell your wife/mom/sister if she was a principal? Maybe we can actually elevate this thread above the usual.
 
2012-12-16 06:13:18 PM

justinsmith354: //Killer of wild boar NOT people
//Because I can


So do you eat the boar you kill or do you just kill them because you can?
 
2012-12-16 06:13:29 PM

dickfreckle: But yeah, I would like to see dicks like Gohmert demonstrate how an armed and terrified elementary school teacher would have prevented or at least mitigated the tragedy. Go ahead, big man, demonstrate how badass everyone in the world could be if they were only more in line with your cheap rhetoric. When you're done, don't forget to call a mean ole' lib for picking on you. Pussy.


So you are arguing that keeping schools as "gun free zones", which is working oh, so well, is better than allowing teachers to be trained and carry at schools?

A teacher might be able to bring herself to fire at at some asshole who is killing innocent children. That's infinitely better than no farking chance of doing anything but sacrificing herself.
 
2012-12-16 06:14:08 PM
Let's put this in economic terms - why does the left want to kill jobs by discussing gun control?

1) Less firearms sales
2) Less post-trauma therapy
3) Less first responder jobs
4) Less "Sorry for your loss" greeting cards sales.
5) Less jobs for funeral homes.
6) Less jobs for medical examiners.
7) Less need for blood bank employees.

It's obvious that there is a Hallmark / Healthcare / Funeral Home / Arms Manufacturer cabal that is up against the libs.

Good luck with that syndicate.
 
2012-12-16 06:14:23 PM

way south: Are you suggesting its ok to walk into a building and remove all the fire extinguishers and defribrilators from the walls because they'll probably not be needed on any given day?


Nothing he said suggested that in any way.
 
2012-12-16 06:14:33 PM

skullkrusher: you haven't suggested any concrete ideas. White kid, affluent family - how are we to ensure he gets diagnosed and treated? Maybe a neighbor can report him for suspicion of insanity?


We need to destigmatize mental health care, make it more readily available, and reduce the negative side-effects of seeking help. We need parents to be more willing to ask for help for their children, and children to be more willing to ask for help for themselves. Most people going through problems like depression and anxiety disorders know that something is wrong. They just can't bring themselves to ask for help because of all the negative things that we as a society associate with mental health treatment.

How do we do that? I don't know. How about a farking study on the issue or something.
 
2012-12-16 06:15:36 PM
thinkprogress.org
 
2012-12-16 06:17:08 PM

GhostFish: We need to destigmatize mental health care, make it more readily available, and reduce the negative side-effects of seeking help.


The sad irony being that forbidding people who've had mental health treatment from possessing firearms (which I've heard discussed on TV) increases the stigma and negative side-effects of seeking help.
 
2012-12-16 06:17:29 PM

GhostFish: skullkrusher: you haven't suggested any concrete ideas. White kid, affluent family - how are we to ensure he gets diagnosed and treated? Maybe a neighbor can report him for suspicion of insanity?

We need to destigmatize mental health care, make it more readily available, and reduce the negative side-effects of seeking help. We need parents to be more willing to ask for help for their children, and children to be more willing to ask for help for themselves. Most people going through problems like depression and anxiety disorders know that something is wrong. They just can't bring themselves to ask for help because of all the negative things that we as a society associate with mental health treatment.

How do we do that? I don't know. How about a farking study on the issue or something.


reduce negative side effects for copping to mental problems? Like limited access to guns?
That all sounds really nice. Nothing too actionable from a legislative perspective that wouldve helped in this case
 
2012-12-16 06:19:53 PM
Pincy:

Thanks! We're good no worries :)
 
2012-12-16 06:20:37 PM

cchris_39: You just don't get it do you. If something bad happens, more government control and more government spending can fix it. Duh.


Obviously, more tax cuts for billionaires will keep dangerous weapons out of the hands of the mentally unstable.
 
2012-12-16 06:20:40 PM

skullkrusher: That all sounds really nice. Nothing too actionable from a legislative perspective that wouldve helped in this case


I'm not really in favor of knee-jerk reactionary legislation, are you?
Like I said, I'd like to see some studies on the matter. I don't want new laws put in place just to make people feel good.
 
2012-12-16 06:20:47 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Mrbogey: "Come on our show so we can take your logical principled and correct stance and emotionalize it and make you a dick. What's a matter? Why aren't you doing things that we can spin to make you look bad?"

So, pro-gun people don't have good arguments and/or are inherently inferior at defending their position?

Wow, a lot of tough gun-guys are sounding really pussy right now.


To be perfectly honest, a lot of people, here and elsewhere in life/the Internet, are losing their collective shiat over the issue right now. Here, people I swear up and down I'd be aligned with on ANY other issue have gone so far as to accuse me and people thinking like me of "having blood on our hands" and being "killers". Me, personally, I don't even own a gun. I'd like to, mainly for target shooting. But somehow, because I'd rather have a semi-automatic 9mm instead of a cumbersome muzzleloader, I'm now no better than Adam Lanza himself. That's bullshiat, frankly.

Then there are the issue of the proposals. There were a few people yesterday whose posts made my eyes twitch. One guy proposed taxing the entertainment industry if ANY production depicted gunplay in any way. If that's not missing the point, I don't know what is.
 
2012-12-16 06:21:02 PM

cchris_39: Pincy: cchris_39: Pincy:

Sucks doesn't it. What would you tell your wife/mom/sister if she was a principal? Maybe we can actually elevate this thread above the usual.


I already tried this, and the derp I got back was unbelievable. All the insults of regular with 99% less facts.

FYI, I live in CT and my sister is a teacher, and I would feel a lot better about her safety if teachers were allowed to receive training and keep guns secured in their desks than I would if another law were to be made for the lawless.
 
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