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2012-12-16 04:48:58 PM

dickfreckle: As you know, a Republican is typically incapable of actually owning his mistakes like the rest of us do.


The Party Of Personally, Responsibly Blaming Minorities and/or A Secret Cabal For All Of Their Failings.

Truly, they are an impressively pathetic bunch of weenies.
 
2012-12-16 05:02:00 PM

Elvis_Bogart: What? They didn't volunteer to step into an obvious trap?


I would love to hear some serious proposals from them on how to deal with this stuff. Or the deficit. Or the national debt. Or the debt ceiling. At least the NFL, NBA,and PGA are still non-profit organizations exempt from taxes. Yay Senate. 

If we don't fix this problem, eventually they WILL take our guns away.
 
2012-12-16 05:17:00 PM
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants defenseless children.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-12-16 05:20:11 PM
I'm an idealist, I guess. I think the country should be safe enough that a kindergarten teacher and a principal can be educational experts and leave the weapons expertise to someone else.

I must be completely and totally naive.
 
2012-12-16 05:24:13 PM

vygramul: jehovahs witness protection: vygramul: teto85: May they all get an enema from a Bushmaster as it unleashes a three second burst.

I wonder where people go to fire a full-auto weapon for practice. The only place I know in VA that allows it is the NRA shooting range. Then again, there aren't many people with the license required to have that kind of weapon anyway.

You could join the Army and get paid to fire full auto weapons.

Don't even have to join the army. Working as a civilian offers such opportunities. The license to own one privately is prohibitively expensive - like $2k/yr.



That philosophy should be extended to all anti-personnel firearms. Make it prohibitively expensive. Offer a 50k no questions asked tax free reward per gun when you turn somebody in.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-12-16 05:24:26 PM

Elvis_Bogart: What? They didn't volunteer to step into an obvious trap? The bastards!


I these corporate sycophants they owed the country and the world some sort of explanation of how the events on Friday don't invalidate their total devotion to the gun lobby dollar.

It's the Republicans that are continuously pushing "personal responsibility" remember. Maybe they should finally take their own medicine and take some personal responsibility for the corruption that is preventing our laws (and not just gun laws) from being sane and in the common interest of the PEOPLE of the US, not just the gun corporations.
 
2012-12-16 05:24:50 PM

BravadoGT: Really? None of them wanted to spend their Sunday morning getting triple-teamed and shouted down by Gregory, Feinstein and Bloomberg?

That IS strange...


2nd Amendment: Sacred.

1st Amendment: Profane.
 
2012-12-16 05:25:16 PM
Cut them some slack, everyone knows it is way too soon to be discussing this sort of thing.
 
2012-12-16 05:26:17 PM

d23: I'm an idealist, I guess. I think the country should be safe enough that a kindergarten teacher and a principal can be educational experts and leave the weapons expertise to someone else.

I must be completely and totally naive.


Nope, everyone in this country must be expert marksmen and carry a firearm wherever you go. If you aren't then you are not a true American.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-12-16 05:27:44 PM

Brian Ryanberger: vygramul: jehovahs witness protection: vygramul: teto85: May they all get an enema from a Bushmaster as it unleashes a three second burst.

I wonder where people go to fire a full-auto weapon for practice. The only place I know in VA that allows it is the NRA shooting range. Then again, there aren't many people with the license required to have that kind of weapon anyway.

You could join the Army and get paid to fire full auto weapons.

Don't even have to join the army. Working as a civilian offers such opportunities. The license to own one privately is prohibitively expensive - like $2k/yr.

That philosophy should be extended to all anti-personnel firearms. Make it prohibitively expensive. Offer a 50k no questions asked tax free reward per gun when you turn somebody in.


What about just making the bar the same as driving a car. You have to take a written test to drive a car for God's sake. In most states you have to take a practical test. Make them jump through some hoops so at least they have to seem to be responsible citizens.

There isn't a 100% solution to this, though. We need to kick the people that will only accept the 100% solution ("Criminals don't pay attention to laws!" and "That's won't solve all the problems!") and kick them in the nuts and let the adults get to work on improving the situation.
 
2012-12-16 05:28:28 PM

Pincy: Cut them some slack, everyone knows it is way too soon to be discussing this sort of thing.


Yup.
 
2012-12-16 05:29:46 PM
Trying to pit logic and rational thought against emotion never works....it would have been a trap with a bunch of guilt thrown in by the gun control crownd using the bodies of children like Bush and Giuliani used the bodys of the september 11th victims.
 
2012-12-16 05:30:19 PM
Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) told Fox News Sunday that he believed more guns are the answer to violence in schools.

"I wish to god she had had an M4 in her office," he said of Sandy Hook Elementary School principal Dawn Hochsprung, who was killed in the shooting.


I wish to god Louie Gohmert's mother had swallowed nine months before his birth.
 
2012-12-16 05:32:28 PM

Pincy: Cut them some slack, everyone knows it is way too soon to be discussing this sort of thing.


Just like the media that gets in victims faces in their time of grief ?
 
2012-12-16 05:32:47 PM

Weaver95: "We reached out to all 31 pro-gun rights senators in the new Congress to invite them on the program to share their views on the subject this morning," he said. "We had no takers."

can you blame them? if they step up and push a pro-gun agenda right now they'd get slaughtered. these guys aren't stupid...they know when/where and how to pick their venues. in terms of practical strategy, standing up in front of a crowd and pushing a pro gun agenda is only going to hurt their cause and they know it.

If I had to guess, I'd say they're going to be real quiet for a while. they might offer some meaningless concessions, pretend apologies and/or do some sort of emotional gesture or whatnot. they could even go as far as to eventually offer some kind of toothless legislation meant to 'address the concerns' of various voter groups. But that's about as far as it'll go.


no weaver, they will be on FOX monday i will say. they will get softball questions and fake how tore up they are over someone with a mental illness. the guns wont be mentioned
 
2012-12-16 05:32:54 PM
Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) told Fox News Sunday that he believed more guns are the answer to violence in schools.

"I wish to god she had had an M4 in her office," he said of Sandy Hook Elementary School principal Dawn Hochsprung, who was killed in the shooting.


Why doesn't he wish to god that the murdering psychopath didn't have a gun?
 
2012-12-16 05:33:00 PM

thismomentinblackhistory: Pokey.Clyde: Oh, look. Yet another gun thread filled with people who know little to nothing about guns telling the rest of us what we can and can't do with our legal, constitutionally protected firearms.

I don't know enough about guns to really even suggest what to limit, restrict, or change.

Where would you start? Would you change it at all? How will we measure success? Only one mass shooting a year?


I'm what you would call a liberal. I realize banning certain guns would only keep law abiding citizens from having those guns. I also know we could spend obscene amounts of money on mental health and things like this would still happen. What bothers me the most is neither side of this argument will approach or debate it in honest or realistic manner
 
2012-12-16 05:33:38 PM

NewportBarGuy: One exception? Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) told Fox News Sunday that he believed more guns are the answer to violence in schools.

"I wish to god she had had an M4 in her office," he said of Sandy Hook Elementary School principal Dawn Hochsprung, who was killed in the shooting.

Louie, you are the Prince of Derptown.


The stupid thing about that quote is one of three things has to happen.

1) The gun is on the adult's body at all times liable to be taken via sucker punch esp. if it's know they have gun
2) The gun is locked up enough to not matter for a sudden break in to a small room, though admittedly someone in a nearby room could prepare
3) The gun is accessible enough for someone to steal and shoot
 
2012-12-16 05:34:35 PM

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: propasaurus: Clearly, this is not the time to have a conversation about guns. It's too soon. Wait until this all blows over then we can discuss it rationally without emotion.

dems are all about appealing to emotion instead of logic, so that won't work.

so you now want to contend that the GOP is driven by cold, remorseless/soulless logic and that a complete lack of empathy is a GOP virtue?


soulless logic? Since when do the dems believe in a soul? what is that for them?

You can make decisions based on logic without resorting to the whining of "fairness" which the dems oddly confuse with having empathy.
 
2012-12-16 05:34:58 PM
Some numbers for you:

In 1992 Gun laws were stricter throughout the nation than they are now, many states had no CCW at all. In fact only 9 did. That year there were about 25,000 firearms related murders. In the last 20 years more than 40 states now have CCW, gun ownership is up from approximately 50 million to 80 million and the number of gun related murders is now down below 9,000.

For all of those of you who say 'more guns is safer is just derp' those are the factual numbers. Historically crime increases in bad economies, however the trend for firearms related deaths is simple: The more people that have guns, the less likely there is to be a gun related murder.

While I do oppose teachers carrying guns, which has been promoted by a few RWNJs, here is another startling fact for you: In Israel they had similar issues, teachers were issued guns, school shootings went away.

In Switzerland 1/2 the population owns guns, they have the lowest gun crime rate in the world.

In nations that ban guns, the trend is simple: More crime, more violence, more murder, more assault, and more rape.

Sources(not linked because I am too lazy on this my 3rd day of discussions) : FBI UCR; CDC; and Various UK, Australian; NZ, and other European law enforcement sites, WHO, and UN sites all confirm what I have just said, don't believe me go look it up yourself. ( I know one of you is going to point out the decline in murders in every nation in the world as proof I am wrong, here in the US murder is on the decline too clearly shown in the FBI UCR and CDC websites.
 
2012-12-16 05:35:19 PM
It's good to see that Americans from both sides of the gun issue are standing up to do nothing about making sure the mentally unstable are properly diagnosed and treated so that they don't act on the urge to murder children. oh wait...
 
2012-12-16 05:35:37 PM
On the off chance that somebody might actually believe that headline.......you're being lied to.
 
2012-12-16 05:36:18 PM

tentonsofderp: dems are all about appealing to emotion instead of logic, so that won't work.


www.nuthousepunks.com
 
2012-12-16 05:36:38 PM

AverageJoe77: thismomentinblackhistory: Pokey.Clyde: Oh, look. Yet another gun thread filled with people who know little to nothing about guns telling the rest of us what we can and can't do with our legal, constitutionally protected firearms.

I don't know enough about guns to really even suggest what to limit, restrict, or change.

Where would you start? Would you change it at all? How will we measure success? Only one mass shooting a year?

I'm what you would call a liberal. I realize banning certain guns would only keep law abiding citizens from having those guns. I also know we could spend obscene amounts of money on mental health and things like this would still happen. What bothers me the most is neither side of this argument will approach or debate it in honest or realistic manner


unless a gun control advocate is suggesting an outright ban on semi-automatic handgun ownership, there's really nothing to talk about.
These were legally owned an registered guns that the psycho son of the owner got his hands on. What can we do? Put her corpse in prison?
 
2012-12-16 05:36:39 PM
So umm... glad that Adam Lanza's gun enthusiast mother with the dozen or so guns stopped that killing spree that day!
 
2012-12-16 05:36:44 PM

blueknight: no weaver, they will be on FOX monday i will say. they will get softball questions and fake how tore up they are over someone with a mental illness. the guns wont be mentioned


And then they will follow that up with a tirade against Obamacare and how we shouldn't have to be forced to pay for other people's problems.
 
2012-12-16 05:37:02 PM

Rann Xerox: Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) told Fox News Sunday that he believed more guns are the answer to violence in schools.
"I wish to god she had had an M4 in her office," he said of Sandy Hook Elementary School principal Dawn Hochsprung, who was killed in the shooting.
I wish to god Louie Gohmert's mother had swallowed nine months before his birth.


Did he also mention that the teacher who had guns to protect herself was killed by them, and so were a bunch of other people?
 
2012-12-16 05:37:29 PM

WTF Indeed: It's good to see that Americans from both sides of the gun issue are standing up to do nothing about making sure the mentally unstable are properly diagnosed and treated so that they don't act on the urge to murder children. oh wait...


That would require spending money on the unwashed masses. We can't have that!
 
2012-12-16 05:39:18 PM

AverageJoe77: thismomentinblackhistory: Pokey.Clyde: Oh, look. Yet another gun thread filled with people who know little to nothing about guns telling the rest of us what we can and can't do with our legal, constitutionally protected firearms.

I don't know enough about guns to really even suggest what to limit, restrict, or change.

Where would you start? Would you change it at all? How will we measure success? Only one mass shooting a year?

I'm what you would call a liberal. I realize banning certain guns would only keep law abiding citizens from having those guns. I also know we could spend obscene amounts of money on mental health and things like this would still happen. What bothers me the most is neither side of this argument will approach or debate it in honest or realistic manner


well, first, if you are expecting honest or realistic debate on fark, you are kidding yourself.

Every complex problem has a simple solution...that is wrong. But that is what everyone likes to do...create that simple solution.
 
2012-12-16 05:40:07 PM
Idiots whining about gun control again.
 
2012-12-16 05:40:56 PM

tenpoundsofcheese:
You can make decisions based on logic without resorting to the whining of "fairness" which the dems oddly confuse with having empathy.


right - so you believe that emotions are a weakness and that cold, remorseless logic should be how to run a proper government. empathy? bah! purge that nonsense from your lexicon!
 
2012-12-16 05:41:00 PM
I'm all for this debate; I want to see how Obama plans to make stealing guns from law abiding people, taking them to a place where guns aren't allowed, and using them to commit murder illegal. Oh wait... FYI, I live in CT and my sister is a teacher, and I would feel a lot better about her safety if teachers were allowed to receive training and keep guns secured in their desks than I would if another law were to be made for the lawless.
 
2012-12-16 05:41:46 PM

AverageJoe77: WTF Indeed: It's good to see that Americans from both sides of the gun issue are standing up to do nothing about making sure the mentally unstable are properly diagnosed and treated so that they don't act on the urge to murder children. oh wait...

That would require spending money on the unwashed masses. We can't have that!


How do you propose the mentally unstable are diagnosed and treated? Forced mental health checks?
 
2012-12-16 05:41:52 PM
You know what? I'm glad they didn't take up any offers to discuss such an important issue, because they never bring anything productive to the table anyway.

The fewer people we have on national television bleating out NRA talking points, the better. If we on the pro-gun control side can shame them into keeping their mouths shut, then maybe eventually we can get some actual legislation going.
 
2012-12-16 05:43:06 PM

AverageJoe77: WTF Indeed: It's good to see that Americans from both sides of the gun issue are standing up to do nothing about making sure the mentally unstable are properly diagnosed and treated so that they don't act on the urge to murder children. oh wait...

That would require spending money on the unwashed masses. We can't have that!


Screw that shiat! I would rather we spend money on government officials to collect all the guns we don't like. Sure, rounding up all the guns we don't like will cost a lot of money, but if we spent that money on mental health we have other positive effects on society.
 
2012-12-16 05:45:40 PM

cchris_39: On the off chance that somebody might actually believe that headline.......you're being lied to.


Thank you, Senator.

/cuz that's the ONLY way you could make that statement.
 
2012-12-16 05:46:52 PM

tenpoundsofcheese:

dems are all about appealing to emotion instead of logic, so that won't work.


-2/10 Are you even trying?
 
2012-12-16 05:47:14 PM

UConnOIFVeteran: and keep guns secured in their desks


Because there is no way a student would ever be able to get access to a gun secured in their desk. Everyone knows that desks are impenetrable.
 
2012-12-16 05:47:35 PM

UConnOIFVeteran: I would feel a lot better


Well, that's the important thing.
 
2012-12-16 05:47:59 PM

skullkrusher: Forced mental health checks?


Maybe, if someone seems "...not to feel physical or emotional pain..." and occasionally has an episode where they "...completely [withdraw] from whatever [is] happening around him."

Link
 
2012-12-16 05:48:20 PM

Azlefty: Showing SHE is the one needing a gun 24/7 even with the taxpayer protection She recieves


What additional taxpayer protection does a Senator receive when they're not at their job?
 
2012-12-16 05:50:19 PM

UConnOIFVeteran: I'm all for this debate; I want to see how Obama plans to make stealing guns from law abiding people, taking them to a place where guns aren't allowed, and using them to commit murder illegal. Oh wait... FYI, I live in CT and my sister is a teacher, and I would feel a lot better about her safety if teachers were allowed to receive training and keep guns secured in their desks than I would if another law were to be made for the lawless.


You know what it usually means when teachers have to keep guns in their desks?

It means they're in Somalia and they should probably get the fark out of there.
 
2012-12-16 05:50:32 PM

fatassbastard: skullkrusher: Forced mental health checks?

Maybe, if someone seems "...not to feel physical or emotional pain..." and occasionally has an episode where they "...completely [withdraw] from whatever [is] happening around him."

Link


we'd have an army of Mental Health Officers monitoring Fark and committing every person on the politics tab to an institution for evaluations. Cept me cuz I got my shiat together. Rest of you motherfarkers are nuts.
 
2012-12-16 05:50:36 PM

WTF Indeed: It's good to see that Americans from both sides of the gun issue are standing up to do nothing about making sure the mentally unstable are properly diagnosed and treated so that they don't act on the urge to murder children. oh wait...


Socialism!
 
2012-12-16 05:51:41 PM

skullkrusher: AverageJoe77: WTF Indeed: It's good to see that Americans from both sides of the gun issue are standing up to do nothing about making sure the mentally unstable are properly diagnosed and treated so that they don't act on the urge to murder children. oh wait...

That would require spending money on the unwashed masses. We can't have that!

How do you propose the mentally unstable are diagnosed and treated? Forced mental health checks?


You just don't get it do you. If something bad happens, more government control and more government spending can fix it. Duh.
 
2012-12-16 05:52:40 PM
Raving lunatic gun-owners* and NRA bribery recipients are a bunch of f*cking cowards? Who. Woulda. Thunkit.

(*to be distinguished from good gun owners such as normal hunters)

Never met a CCW who wasn't a huge pussy, concerned about almost-nonexistent crime, "blacks" and "Mexicans" and constantly running through ridiculous hero-fantasy daydream bullshiat scenarios

Real men fight with their fists and words
 
2012-12-16 05:53:25 PM

cchris_39: skullkrusher: AverageJoe77: WTF Indeed: It's good to see that Americans from both sides of the gun issue are standing up to do nothing about making sure the mentally unstable are properly diagnosed and treated so that they don't act on the urge to murder children. oh wait...

That would require spending money on the unwashed masses. We can't have that!

How do you propose the mentally unstable are diagnosed and treated? Forced mental health checks?

You just don't get it do you. If something bad happens, more government control and more government spending can fix it. Duh.


So if all these recent tragedies are just the result of mentally ill people then how do you propose prevent further such incidents? Or are you saying that this is just a part of life we have to learn to live with?
 
2012-12-16 05:54:26 PM

cchris_39: skullkrusher: AverageJoe77: WTF Indeed: It's good to see that Americans from both sides of the gun issue are standing up to do nothing about making sure the mentally unstable are properly diagnosed and treated so that they don't act on the urge to murder children. oh wait...

That would require spending money on the unwashed masses. We can't have that!

How do you propose the mentally unstable are diagnosed and treated? Forced mental health checks?

You just don't get it do you. If something bad happens, more government control and more government spending can fix it. Duh.


Ah, the old "I've tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas." game. Here's tip from a pro-gun lib: If the gun lobby starts talking about mental health, then you change the subject from gun control and it's a win-win. You get to keep all your guns, and you can blame the government for not helping these people more.
 
2012-12-16 05:55:37 PM
I love it when assholes suggest that more guns are the answer.

Guns! Guns everywhere!

You know what more guns brings? More gun related accidental shootings. Try as you may to teach safety and responsibility, accidents happen. And eventually, the number of accidents will meet or overtake the number of violent gun deaths that you were hoping to stop.

farking brilliant strategy there. I guess at least we're killing ourselves rather than letting someone else do it.
 
2012-12-16 05:55:46 PM

NewportBarGuy: One exception? Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) told Fox News Sunday that he believed more guns are the answer to violence in schools.

"I wish to god she had had an M4 in her office," he said of Sandy Hook Elementary School principal Dawn Hochsprung, who was killed in the shooting.

Louie, you are the Prince of Derptown.


In case you didn't notice, not having a rifle didn't work out so well. But who's to say having a rifle would have made a difference?

I can say one thing: you can't win a raffle without having a ticket
 
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