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2012-12-16 12:02:20 PM
The loss is a complicated story, but the cause of the misguided optimism can be found in a single word: Facebook.

Facebook is not only responsible for creating unwarranted expectations, it is killing the Republican Party. Facebook pushes combative tones, extreme views, and single-issue agendas to the forefront, while even-tempered discussions about comprehensive reforms are buried and rarely seen at all.

First, people are more likely to have friends on Facebook and in real life who agree with their political positions than oppose them. This is human nature. If you are politically active, you are likely to have friends who are also politically active, which means when you post something, your friends tend to agree with you. This turns Facebook into a political echo chamber of consenting "likes," shares, and comments.


Or maybe Republicans could honestly assess a situation and think for themselves. They're acting like Facebook blocked 538 on their computers and made them into dicks. I've noticed that I've head them calling themselves the Party of Political Responsibility a lot less lately, at least
 
2012-12-16 12:05:55 PM
or it was because he's a lying, unctuous sack of human waste.
 
2012-12-16 12:27:50 PM
The fact that his plans and policies (what he was willing to reveal at least) are also absolutely horrible, unconscionable, cruel and heartless and would hurt nearly everyone was a contributing factor, but the main reason that Mitt Romney lost is because he is Mitt Romney.
 
2012-12-16 12:29:29 PM
Are they out of things to blame for Romney getting his ass beat? When do they start blaming Romney?
 
2012-12-16 01:02:02 PM
It's okay, they won Twitter.
 
2012-12-16 01:04:06 PM

FloydA: The fact that his plans and policies (what he was willing to reveal at least) are also absolutely horrible, unconscionable, cruel and heartless and would hurt nearly everyone was a contributing factor, but the main reason that Mitt Romney lost is because he is Mitt Romney.


True on every account, and yet he got nearly half of the vote. Staggering.
 
2012-12-16 02:58:06 PM
This of course has nothing to do with the fact that the Republikkkan Party expects us to smile as we drop our trousers and grab our ankles for their billionaire masters, nor the fact that Rmoney is a self entitled heartless, amoral, prevaricating bag of used douche who would run over one of his 5 grandmothers to make a one penny profit he could deduct because he had his gardener do the driving. Nope. It was all Facebook's fault that they lost. Nothing to do with the shiat they have been peddling since Ni*on.

Go whine somewhere else, asshats.
 
2012-12-16 03:02:45 PM
Summary: it isn't our ideas or candidate that's wrong, it's everyone and everything else and we'll keep blaming more and more random things until everyone agrees with us out of sheer fatigue.

I have a co-worker who unfriended all Obama supporters after the election. Since I don't have a Facebook, she simply stopped talking to me. I didn't notice for two weeks until somebody pointed it out. Now I make a special point to tell her good morning.
 
2012-12-16 03:11:58 PM
The fact that he was so completely out of touch with the public that he couldn't differentiate a Big Mac from a Twinkie had nothing to do with his loss, either.
 
2012-12-16 03:24:21 PM
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is rueful that he didn't have a Facebook full of women to prop him up.
 
2012-12-16 03:28:01 PM
Yes, because there were simply *no* Romney supporters on Facebook. Yes, one would have to go for weeks without a spittle-flecked anti-Obama screed being shared by one's crazy uncle.

When will these asspipes get their flight back to reality booked?
 
2012-12-16 03:30:43 PM

Apos: [static.tumblr.com image 410x304]

is rueful that he didn't have a Facebook full of women to prop him up.


Awww. I miss Little Face Mitt so much.

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2012-12-16 03:34:41 PM
No, Romney lost because, as FloydA said :"his plans and policies (what he was willing to reveal at least) are also absolutely horrible, unconscionable, cruel and heartless and would hurt nearly everyone."

The reason it was a surprise was because the Republicans were delusional.

The reason they believed their delusion was popular opinion is because of the positive reinforcement of the delusion by sources like Fox News, and Facebook, if you only have like-minded people on Facebook.

The lesson that should be learned: don't disregard facts because you and all your friends don't like them.

Also, FTFA: "Finally, because Facebook feels like a news site,"... WAT? Are there people who actually view Facebook as a news source and not a "socially acceptable way of stalking friends and neighbors" site?
 
2012-12-16 03:45:09 PM
Or maybe it was being complete assholes.

Nah, must be facebook.
 
2012-12-16 03:47:10 PM

ginandbacon: It's okay, they won Twitter.


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YEEAAH!! SUCK IT LIBS!!1!
 
2012-12-16 03:58:33 PM
God ACORN is good. We've already forgotten them.
 
2012-12-16 03:59:26 PM

FloydA: The fact that his plans and policies (what he was willing to reveal at least) are also absolutely horrible, unconscionable, cruel and heartless and would hurt nearly everyone was a contributing factor, but the main reason that Mitt Romney lost is because he is Mitt Romney.


plus, you know, the Pennsylvania Democrats worked their asses off to beat Romney....not that the local GOP types want to mention that fact of life.
 
2012-12-16 04:05:46 PM
I'm pretty sure he's not saying Romney lost because of Facebook, but rather that Facebook acted as an echo chamber and was a source of optimism that he would win. Relying on a "Facebook feeling" rather than math is also stupid, but I'm pretty sure that is this guy's point.
 
2012-12-16 04:08:35 PM

Dogberry: and yet he got nearly half of the vote. Staggering.


Yes, but smart people are outpacing the GOP-at-any-cost crowd as the demographic needed to win. The smart people left in the GOP see this coming down the pike - it's why you're seeing some of them criticizing their own platform instead of blaming it on the media or that FartNAMBLA bussed in his relatives from Kenya to commit voter fraud. There are precious few of these dissenting voices, but they are speaking.

Your typical reactionary Republican is literally a dying breed. Meanwhile the non-religious (or just people who don't vote based on religion or social wedges) grows yearly. The internet gives us a real option to canned news, even if it also means more people get their views from partisan bloggers and not responsible journalists. And even though it's often true that people grow more conservative as they age, people who are 30 now are not going to suddenly start hating homogheys and messicans just because they turn 50. Those kinds of personal values are typically held for life.

People are also seeing the GOP standing stark naked and revealing what it is they truly stand for: The benefit of the few at the expense of the many. 10 years ago no one but policy wonks and probably some Farkers were really talking about this. Now the "47" or "99" percent our household terms. It's not so easy to dupe people once they begin wising up to your schtick.

I'm not saying the GOP in name is done. But there needs to be a lot of soul-searching if they ever hope to achieve real, long-lasting power.
 
2012-12-16 04:16:28 PM
The author lays out an argument in TFA that he and other Republicans thought Romney would win because Facebook creates an echo chamber, and assumes Democrats must be experiencing something similar when....they...won? I don't get it. Romney lost because more people voted for Obama.
 
2012-12-16 04:30:39 PM
Facebook allowed people to hear the candid voice of the GOP base, which is a bad thing for the GOP.
 
2012-12-16 04:50:22 PM
Facebook feels like a news site

Yeah, like FARK feels like a research library.

I will never see what Democrats are writing about.

Can't chance that. Might get booted from the Party or your religious sincerity questioned.

I beg of you to get off Facebook and engage in conversations with people who disagree with you.

He must have the oddest friend list around. My FB erupts with political crap all the time and we're still nice about it.

/This guy must be the type that buys Facebook stock seeing he imagines it to be quite powerful.
 
2012-12-16 04:56:58 PM
It's not our whackadoodle policies, it's that more people are exposed to them.
 
2012-12-16 04:58:57 PM

edmo: I beg of you to get off Facebook and engage in conversations with people who disagree with you.

He must have the oddest friend list around. My FB erupts with political crap all the time and we're still nice about it.


I've noted that with the rise of web forums and social media, my RL interactions with people have degraded. I have a brother who stopped talking to me because FreeRepublic culture was more important to him than family.

People in my tiny mountain town have become arrogantly empowered to tell me what I think about everything after seeing the talking points on forums, FW: FW: FW: mails, and Fox News. They can't even speak about things we all enjoy, or things we agree on -- the things we disagree on make them judge and hate so much that they can't bear to find the good things we have in common.

The empowerment of arrogance and ignorance has escaped the media.
 
2012-12-16 05:00:48 PM

djkutch: God ACORN is good. We've already forgotten them.


Oh, no. The Republicans will never forget ACORN

49% - or all but half - of all Republican voters believe ACORN stole the 2012 election for President Obama, a drop from 2008 when 52% of Republican voters believed the same. These surprising statistics come from Public Policy Polling (PPP), a North Carolina-based polling firm. LINK

Yes, roughly the same number of Republicans that blamed ACORN in 2008, blamed them in 2012, too.

Yes, they blame the organization that no longer exists.

The GOP suffers from chronic, multi-layered derp-itis. 

b-b-b-but facebook!!
 
2012-12-16 05:35:51 PM
Ha that dude is in some seriously butthurt republican denial.
Let us celebrate with more little face Mitt!
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He was just too small faced to be President.
 
2012-12-16 05:55:12 PM
I beg of you to get off Facebook and engage in conversations with people who disagree with you. This is the only way we can grow as a party, and the only way the country will ever come together again.

Why do these people assume, that if they talk to people who disagree with them, that we would somehow magically change our views and join the GOP??

It isnt facebook which is the problem, it is your views and the thought that somehow you can convince us that you are right and we are wrong.

You really think that facebook is the only echo chamber? not fauxnews? not your head?
Nothing personal, but I will never come together with the GOP. Ever. Not unless it magically became the party of lincoln again, but then it would be pretty much the democratic party more or less.

So good luck with that.

/probably the best thing which has come out of the 2012 election, other than Obama winning, is that the GOP continue to have no clue about why they lost and what they should do to fix that.
 
2012-12-16 06:03:01 PM
I guess those tax returns did matter.
 
2012-12-16 06:07:44 PM

trivial use of my dark powers: I have a co-worker who unfriended all Obama supporters after the election. Since I don't have a Facebook, she simply stopped talking to me. I didn't notice for two weeks until somebody pointed it out. Now I make a special point to tell her good morning.


Good Morning! Isnt it wonderful that Obama was re-elected for 4 more years? I am so relieved and happy.
How are you today?

/bwhahahaahahahahahaahahahahahahahaah
 
2012-12-16 06:13:32 PM

namatad: Why do these people assume, that if they talk to people who disagree with them, that we would somehow magically change our views and join the GOP??


Example of a recent interaction with a GOP person, face-to-face (AKA, CSB):

Our country elections had a bit of a problem when a teabagger who was working there decided to fill in blank spots on other people's ballots. The system worked, she was caught, and a trial is pending.

Some friends and I were talking about it at a local diner, and we weren't even being all that partisan about it, other than mentioning she had marked the ballots to benefit the GOP. All we were saying was that this sort of thing needs to be taken seriously, and that she'd better get a felony out of it so that she can't vote again. A man listening in to the conversation approached me on my way out.

"Don't you get it," he said, "We have to take back our country by any means necessary!"

I asked who he was taking it back from -- his neighbors, fellow Americans?

He told me he should knock my teeth out, then shuffled around in frustration before he storming out the door.

I don't see how that was any different than what you find on the internet.
 
2012-12-16 06:21:06 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: namatad: Why do these people assume, that if they talk to people who disagree with them, that we would somehow magically change our views and join the GOP??

Example of a recent interaction with a GOP person, face-to-face (AKA, CSB): . . .


/CSB, indeed.
//Also, 2nd Amendment solutions
 
2012-12-16 06:24:42 PM
How dare people talk to one another about political issues? How DARE they, Sirrah?

HOW DARE THEY?
 
2012-12-16 06:34:55 PM
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Siri, what's Romney's lame ass excuse of the day?
 
2012-12-16 06:35:21 PM
Nice to see "We ran a crappy campaign entirely around capturing the worst, base emotions that human begins are capable of" still hasn't appeared on this list.
 
2012-12-16 06:36:08 PM
Human Begins: The new reboot from Christopher Nolan

/damnit
 
2012-12-16 06:38:40 PM
Well, they were similarly over valued.
 
2012-12-16 06:39:12 PM
GOP legislation to ban Facebook to introduced in 3....2......
 
2012-12-16 06:39:13 PM
If this is true then I take back everything bad I've ever said about Facebook.
 
2012-12-16 06:39:56 PM
The fact that we got as close as we did to a Romney presidency still gives me bad dreams.
 
2012-12-16 06:41:00 PM
Nothing was learned it seems.

Link
 
2012-12-16 06:42:28 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: I'm pretty sure he's not saying Romney lost because of Facebook, but rather that Facebook acted as an echo chamber and was a source of optimism that he would win. Relying on a "Facebook feeling" rather than math is also stupid, but I'm pretty sure that is this guy's point.


Well, that is the nutshell. The GOP ignored all sources of bad news and only listened to sources of good news.
Fox, friends, rove, internal polling.
Look at the discussions around bias in the polls. "Everyone" was assuming that the polls were biased in President Obama's favor. Turns out it was the OPPOSITE.

"Everyone" was poo-pooing 538's analysis and statistics. Do their detriment.

What is the likelihood that the GOP will learn from 2012? Close to zero.
What is the likelihood that they will put less faith in internal numbers and trust a source like 538? Zero.
What is the likelihood that the GOP will move toward the center? Zero.

In the end, this is good news for the DEMS, bad news for the GOP and great news for the country.
 
2012-12-16 06:42:41 PM
The Party of Personal Responsibility™ is blaming others again
 
2012-12-16 06:43:47 PM
Generic Republican plotting to do a mass shooting at Facebook. News at 11.
 
2012-12-16 06:45:47 PM

nmrsnr: The reason it was a surprise was because the Republicans were delusional.


That's actually what the guy in the article was trying to say in a very long-winded way.

Romney supporters created their own echo-chamber which reinforced their own views without encountering anything that might question it.

But it's not limited to Facebook, it also extends to other right-wing blogs (Townhall, Daily Caller, etc.), as well as Fox News and AM Talk radio.

They created their own bubble and only until the day after the election did it burst that bubble.
 
2012-12-16 06:46:13 PM

Ed Finnerty: I guess those tax returns did matter.


what tax retur....oh i see what you did there
 
2012-12-16 06:47:49 PM
I'm going to go with... Bad candidate... bad party... bad platform... bad policies... bad campaign... versus good candidate... decent party... decent platform... okay policies... great campaign.

Did I mention that Republicans are out of their farking minds and have become conspiracy addled idiots who embarrass not just themselves but the entire country... because there is that too.

/independent
 
2012-12-16 06:48:48 PM

Whiskey Pete: The fact that we got as close as we did to a Romney presidency still gives me bad dreams.


It should
 
2012-12-16 06:49:56 PM

Goetz: Nothing was learned it seems.

Link


30 seconds of that derp was 30 seconds too many. No wonder they don't post a description of the video. They should call it White People Scolding You.
 
2012-12-16 06:51:26 PM

Whiskey Pete: The fact that we got as close as we did to a Romney presidency still gives me bad dreams.


Except that it was NOT CLOSE. Not even CLOSE to CLOSE.
Given that we do not use the popular vote.

The red votes are more concentrated in fewer states than the blue votes.
And the demographics are continuing in the direction.
Texas will turn purple if enough Hispanics vote.

The fact that the GOP and the media kept claiming the race was close didnt change the fact that it wasnt close at all.
President Obama could have lost Floriduh and Ohio and still won the race. Now that would have been closer with Obama winning only 285 electoral votes. But still.
 
2012-12-16 06:52:22 PM

JohnnyC: I'm going to go with... Bad candidate... bad party... bad platform... bad policies... bad campaign... versus good candidate... decent party... decent platform... okay policies... great campaign.

Did I mention that Republicans are out of their farking minds and have become conspiracy addled idiots who embarrass not just themselves but the entire country... because there is that too.

/independent


THIS!
 
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