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2012-12-16 08:27:32 AM  
there are no words other than...

ammon.azza.org
 
2012-12-16 09:18:58 AM  
Change we can believe in
 
2012-12-16 09:52:25 AM  
I sometimes have to wonder if people in those positions lose perspective or are genuinely frightened by the threats. I knew a libbiest lib that ever libbed lifetime liberal lib who got a job dealing with the threat of terrorism coming across our borders and became a rabid "OMG SEAL THE BORDERS!" person based not on they're stealing our jobs, not on the notion that law and morality were the same so, by definition, being an illegal alien made you a bad person, and not based on concerns over their not integrating. It was purely a reaction to terrorism.

So is it a result of their being too close to the problem, or is it because the threat is that grave? I suspect too close to the problem.
 
2012-12-16 09:52:34 AM  

cman: Change we can believe in


You think that this didn't occur before?
 
2012-12-16 10:00:53 AM  

Bontesla: cman: Change we can believe in

You think that this didn't occur before?


Oh, very well. "Stasis we can believe in."
 
2012-12-16 10:26:21 AM  

Bontesla: cman: Change we can believe in

You think that this didn't occur before?


Obama has changed absolutely nothing. Nothing! And they want their country back now that it's socialist.
 
2012-12-16 11:06:14 AM  
A bunch of us filed requests with the FBI to see what files they had on us. What came back was somewhere between surprising and "why do you waste your time with this?"

Anyone who thinks this article is something new doesn't remember the cold war or was ridiculously naive.
 
2012-12-16 11:14:11 AM  
I gotta be honest and say I find these sort of abstract intrusions on civil rights pretty hard to care about. All this information is out there, I can't really say it gets me mad they are just compiling it.
 
2012-12-16 11:20:30 AM  
>Reads headline.
>Reads article.

upload.wikimedia.org

Good morning America. The year is 1935, and I would like to introduce you to a new force for Law Enforcement in the United States, the FBI.

/It's cute you think this started with Obama.
 
2012-12-16 11:21:31 AM  
Is that stuff gonna go into my Permanent Record along with that time I got caught smoking under the bleachers in high school?
 
2012-12-16 11:30:57 AM  
Information shared with a third party was never private or protected information. It's concerning, but it's not unconstitutional. We need to revisit privacy laws and make them explicit.
 
2012-12-16 11:39:08 AM  

unlikely: A bunch of us filed requests with the FBI to see what files they had on us. What came back was somewhere between surprising and "why do you waste your time with this?"

Anyone who thinks this article is something new doesn't remember the cold war or was ridiculously naive.


I used to do a lot of anti-Soviet protests in the '80s and worked on the Hill for a Baltic organization. When I applied for my clearance, my interim came back in two days. That's almost unheard of. I guarantee I had a dossier.
 
2012-12-16 12:08:49 PM  
Become an active anarchist or stop your whining about it.
 
2012-12-16 12:12:38 PM  

unlikely: A bunch of us filed requests with the FBI to see what files they had on us. What came back was somewhere between surprising and "why do you waste your time with this?"

Anyone who thinks this article is something new doesn't remember the cold war or was ridiculously naive.


This. We've always violated the constitution throughout our country's history. Yet we like to fetishize the constitution and our treatment of it. Instead, we should honestly look at what we've done in the past and try to live up to the constitution (or change what we don't like about it) rather than reflecting back on glory days that never existed.
 
2012-12-16 12:19:32 PM  
If this is the type of thing that kills the Constitution, then the Constitution has been dead for a looooooong time, subby
 
2012-12-16 12:27:29 PM  
For all the cumulative bullshiat that asshole has done, he belongs in prison.
 
2012-12-16 12:28:08 PM  
Is this the bit about government agencies being able to share the information they have on you? Because I've pretty much always assumed that if one govt agency has something on you, any other one has it too.
 
2012-12-16 12:28:46 PM  
My dossier would be a list of dirty websites I've visited and a comment that I eat too much junk food and could really use a few laps around the block.
 
2012-12-16 12:29:41 PM  
yeah, well the TSA are a bunch of cockfarks. you can put that on my record. i'll put it there myself, actually where can I mail a notarized letter saying so to make sure it's in there?
 
2012-12-16 12:29:54 PM  
We can search databases = "dossier on every citizen"?

Does anyone have any reactions to this that aren't reactionary fear?
 
2012-12-16 12:32:37 PM  
I just read the comments from TFA.


When did Wired turn into freerepublic.com?
 
2012-12-16 12:33:20 PM  
the Constitution has always been overrated
 
2012-12-16 12:35:28 PM  
shiat like this is why the right to bear arms and distrust of government is a good thing.
 
2012-12-16 12:35:30 PM  
Jokes on you America. The "secret" database is called Facebook.
 
2012-12-16 12:36:12 PM  
Oh yeah?
Well, don't get so distressed.
Did I happen to mention that I'm impressed?

i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-16 12:37:17 PM  
We can thank thoughtful insights such as "if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about" for shiat like this.
 
2012-12-16 12:37:34 PM  

1derful: shiat like this is why the right to bear arms and distrust of government is a good thing.


Someone might have some data on you, so you should be ready to kill?
 
2012-12-16 12:38:43 PM  
Welcome to 1960
 
2012-12-16 12:39:07 PM  

sugardave: We can thank thoughtful insights such as "if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about" for shiat like this.


Isn't that a senseless argument?
 
2012-12-16 12:40:06 PM  
It's a good thing that at least someone thinks this is a problem.

I'll say it again: It's a GOOD thing that at least someone thinks this is a problem.

Now you righttards and wingnuts who hate B. Hussein Osama's guts, answer me this: If you want B. Hussein Osama gone so badly, why don't you go after him on the surveillance state? On the War on Terra?
 
2012-12-16 12:40:19 PM  
Honestly, I am not worried, the last election proved that Republicans will never sit in the Oval Office again, so they will never have the opportunity to misuse their powers (can anybody say *cough*BUSH?*cough)

Sorry Repubs, we have a REAL leader in the presidency now who displays empathy and courage. One who would never misuse his power for personal gain or nefarious purposes. I trust him. And I trust that the use of these powers makes us all a bit safer now. And I sleep better at night knowing we have a competent administration looking into these matters and making the world that much a better place.
 
2012-12-16 12:41:49 PM  

ChuDogg: Honestly, I am not worried, the last election proved that Republicans will never sit in the Oval Office again, so they will never have the opportunity to misuse their powers (can anybody say *cough*BUSH?*cough)

Sorry Repubs, we have a REAL leader in the presidency now who displays empathy and courage. One who would never misuse his power for personal gain or nefarious purposes. I trust him. And I trust that the use of these powers makes us all a bit safer now. And I sleep better at night knowing we have a competent administration looking into these matters and making the world that much a better place.


Besides, most people just aren't very interesting.
 
2012-12-16 12:42:02 PM  
just remember, they're only doing it to keep us Free and safe, wink wink.
 
2012-12-16 12:42:34 PM  
It's like every American citizen is on double-secret probation. The government did this without the knowledge of Congress but now that Congress knows about it Congress does nothing. Congress probably prefers this be in done in secret so Congress has deniability. Add this to the fact that the government can claim "national security" and prevent an accused criminal of obtaining the necessary proof of innocence.
 
2012-12-16 12:42:48 PM  
Here is my new Leader. SFW


Link
 
2012-12-16 12:44:36 PM  

badhatharry: Jokes on you America. The "secret" database is called Facebook.



lol

i was thinking that too. Corporate America has more info on us than any Government could dream of.
 
2012-12-16 12:45:22 PM  
My reaction:

Attorney General secretly granted government ability to develop and store dossiers on innocent Americans

OH SHI-

Earlier this year, Attorney General Eric Holder granted the center the ability to copy entire government databases holding information on flight records, casino-employee lists, the names of Americans hosting foreign-exchange students and other data, and to store it for up to five years

Nevermind.
 
2012-12-16 12:45:44 PM  

Derwood: the Constitution has always been overrated


It really is.

It would be better if it had more of a defined overarching philosophy where laws could be hierarchically formed around the philosophy. It could be a more fluid document that evolves naturally, even scientifically.
 
2012-12-16 12:45:52 PM  

gadian: My dossier would be a list of dirty websites I've visited and a comment that I eat too much junk food and could really use a few laps around the block.



i want mine to have only this one link. nothing else. SFW

Link
 
2012-12-16 12:46:12 PM  

ChuDogg: Honestly, I am not worried, the last election proved that Republicans will never sit in the Oval Office again, so they will never have the opportunity to misuse their powers (can anybody say *cough*BUSH?*cough)

Sorry Repubs, we have a REAL leader in the presidency now who displays empathy and courage. One who would never misuse his power for personal gain or nefarious purposes. I trust him. And I trust that the use of these powers makes us all a bit safer now. And I sleep better at night knowing we have a competent administration looking into these matters and making the world that much a better place.


You Stasi supporter.

Yea, no Democrat has ever abused his power.

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Now you righttards and wingnuts who hate B. Hussein Osama's guts, answer me this: If you want B. Hussein Osama gone so badly, why don't you go after him on the surveillance state? On the War on Terra?


We have been. Obama allowed a drone strike on an American citizen. That's something even Bush didn't have the gumption to do. Nobody who supported Barack Obama cares though. The bulk of the concern over civil rights under Bush was simply just concern trolling.
 
2012-12-16 12:47:17 PM  
Whoever invented the word "dossier" was a genius or a spy. Perhaps both.
 
2012-12-16 12:47:22 PM  
Dear Wingnuts:

See, THIS is why you don't get all up in arms about every decision you don't like. If you do, then you blow your wad and all your credibility on stupid shiat and have none left when something real comes up.

Fast and Furious = NOT a scandal, and NOT a big deal
Benghazi = NOT a scandal, and NOT a big deal
0bummer ISN'T going to take your guns

But this...this is truly disturbing. And it sure would be nice if the public could ask for a much deeper investigation without all of your derp contaminating it. So please, I'm begging you...stop. You're just like Michael Moore: you're not helping.

Sincerely,

Those of us who listen to things like facts, evidence, and reason
 
2012-12-16 12:48:30 PM  

vygramul: I sometimes have to wonder if people in those positions lose perspective or are genuinely frightened by the threats. I knew a libbiest lib that ever libbed lifetime liberal lib who got a job dealing with the threat of terrorism coming across our borders and became a rabid "OMG SEAL THE BORDERS!" person based not on they're stealing our jobs, not on the notion that law and morality were the same so, by definition, being an illegal alien made you a bad person, and not based on concerns over their not integrating. It was purely a reaction to terrorism.

So is it a result of their being too close to the problem, or is it because the threat is that grave? I suspect too close to the problem.


I'd go with too close to the problem.

CSB: My sister used to date a cop. I remember always being surprised at how he immediately assumed people were up to something nefarious if they were doing anything even remotely out of the ordinary. I remember one time we were driving through the country and passed a guy walking along the roadside, and he muttered "WTF is this asshole doing? Probably stealing corn." I asked him if he realized these were feed corn, not sweet corn fields, and that he wasn't carrying any sort of bags, so he'd be able to steal an armload of corn that people basically can't eat, then he'd have to walk it wherever he wanted to take it. Perhaps if he wanted to steal corn wouldn't it make more sense to just pull over his car, open the trunk, and throw a bunch in before driving away? He was still convinced the guy was up to something wrong.
 
2012-12-16 12:49:11 PM  

LasersHurt: 1derful: shiat like this is why the right to bear arms and distrust of government is a good thing.

Someone might have some data on you, so you should be ready to kill?


Its a well known fact that such data is deleted each time you purchase a gun.

:)
 
2012-12-16 12:50:15 PM  

Counter_Intelligent: Whoever invented the word "dossier" was a genius or a spy. Perhaps both.


Or just French.

dossier

Nom masculin singulier

1. partie de siège, de chaise, de fauteuil, contre laquelle s'appuie le dos
2. ensemble de documents concernant une même affaire, une même personne
3. chemise en carton contenant ces documents
4. par extension problème, question, sujet
(informatique) métaphoriquement, ensemble de fichiers regroupés dans un même emplacement
 
2012-12-16 12:57:26 PM  
Nice when a country goes all counterintelligence against itself.

/The People are the Enemy
 
2012-12-16 12:57:41 PM  
Does no one remember the first Aliens and Sedition Act? The second Aliens and Sedition Act? The 1850's? The 1930's? Anyone? Bueller?
 
2012-12-16 12:58:02 PM  
I am pretty confident my file goes back to being a 6-year-old shortwave listener who wrote to Radio Moscow/Beijing/Havana in the early 80s with the "I'm a young American interested in your system of government" QSL. You got back neat swag that way. I've still got my Fidel Castro trading cards. The letters back were usually stamped "opened for inspection", and I fully expect TPTB have those notes in some dusty filebox somewhere.
 
2012-12-16 12:58:28 PM  
i224.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-16 01:02:01 PM  
It's so they can come get your guns! Be afraid!
 
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