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(Kennebec Journal)   Real Christmas tree vs. a fake one. For those that pick fake to be environmentally friendly, you're barking up the wrong tree   (kjonline.com) divider line 27
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2012-12-16 09:03:54 AM
9 votes:
I don't pick fake to be environmentally friendly. I pick fake so I don't have to go out and buy one every year and clean up the mess.
2012-12-16 09:08:36 AM
4 votes:
I don't know a single person that buys one to be "green." I have a fake one because I remember from my youth how much of a pain in the ass real ones were.
2012-12-16 09:29:51 AM
3 votes:
Throughout Maine, more than 1.2 million Christmas trees are growing quietly on about 300 plots of land. Each tree will progress slowly from seed to seedling, from youth to maturity, until they're harvested 12 years later for their brief moment of glory in living rooms and parlors throughout the land.

The fark kind of trees are you using as christmas trees, white oak? Your standard 6-8 foot fir hits full size in three years. I know this because a neighbor used to raise them, he had three lots that he cycled.

//Oh, confiers... why? Why not use something that grows faster?

"Real Christmas trees sequester carbon while they're growing," she said. "The ground they're growing in keeps building up organic matter, which also helps keep carbon out of the atmosphere and in the soil."

Also, nearly all Christmas tree growers plant a new tree for every one that is cut down, so sequestration continues long after the holidays, she said.

Artificial trees, on the other hand, cannot be recycled whenever their usable life ends, plus a lot of fossil fuels are burned to create and ship them to the U.S, she said.


... ok, when I read "doctorate in plant and soil sciences", my first reaction was genuine curiosity, since I've never seen a school have any department labeled like that, it's typically agriculture or botany.

Then I read the above (plus the bit where they're encouraging "organic" farming) and realized it's one of those internet degrees from an unaccredited university with no physical campus or actual faculty. I know this because if it _was_ a real degree, and you published a nonsense phrase of incorrectly-used buzzwords like "trees sequester carbon while they're growing" without taking the fifteen seconds to google what sequestration actually means, your thesis advisor would hunt you down and beat you to death with a baseball bat with rusty nails sticking out of it.

//Also, not knowing that PET and HDPE, the two most common plastics in trees, are both recyclable, is pretty unforgivable for anyone with pretenses toward scientific literacy. As is not knowing that short sappy evergreens aren't meaningfully recyclable, as it takes more energy and produces more pollution to turn them into paper or particle board than just letting it rot somewhere and making new paper out of a proper wood.

//farking ignorant-ass hippies have ruined environmentalism for the actual, knowledgeable conservationists. We really need to look into resurrecting Theodore Roosevelt.
2012-12-16 09:10:14 AM
3 votes:
I disagree. My mom bought a fake tree when I turned 15. She used that tree for years until I moved back home. Then we used my fake tree which I bought when my daughter was 5 and we still use now she's 20. My mom's old tree is in use at church every winter to hold hat, glove and scarf donations. Two fake trees with well over 30 years use between them and will probably be used for decades more. How is this enviornmentally unfriendly?
2012-12-16 11:25:12 AM
2 votes:
If someone would deliver and later pick back up a live tree- I would happily rent one for Christmas.
2012-12-16 10:51:46 AM
2 votes:
Having Christmas with a fake tree is like having sex with a blow up doll.
2012-12-16 10:32:18 AM
2 votes:
Fake trees don't cause me to have an asthma attack, so I prefer those.
2012-12-16 09:18:27 AM
2 votes:

kaseyfarksdaladies: Real or fake, it's a stupid tradition.


Decorating anything for any reason is stupid. fark aesthetics, am I right?
2012-12-16 09:15:25 AM
2 votes:
I don't use fake to be environmentally friendly. I use fake because I'd rather not set my home on fire when either of my cats chews through a cable.

/ Five years later, they've long since outgrown it, but every now and again...
2012-12-16 11:29:04 AM
1 votes:

megalynn44: If someone would deliver and later pick back up a live tree- I would happily rent one for Christmas.


One downside to an actual live tree (to be re-planted) is the limited amount of time they can be kept indoors. Too long and they start to come out of dormancy because of the temperature, and then die when placed back outside. That sort of negates the whole point, might as well have cut if down to start with. A lot of people like to keep the tree for much of the month and that's not possible with a whole tree. 5, maybe 7 days max.
2012-12-16 11:04:20 AM
1 votes:
I think the real lesson to be learned is that essentially people like to argue-- especially internet people. Is there a more inane topic than real vs. artificial Christmas trees? Reading these comments is like bizzaro world to me. Do you people really care that much or do you just want to say something? We've already diverged into religion and how holiday traditions are stupid. Wow, it just blows my mind. For the record, we have a live tree. My boys like to cut it down, the cat likes to climb it, the dog likes to drink the water, I like the smell and my wife likes the fact that it forces me to take down the decorations before February. My parents have artificial. It's easy, it looks good. It always fits their space. It leaves no mess and they don't have to worry about watering it. It's all good.
2012-12-16 10:56:34 AM
1 votes:
Last 2 years we bought a live tree.
And by live I mean with root ball intact, balled and burlaped, and then planted them in the yard after Christmas.

Where should I line up for my smugness award?

/fyi b&b trees are a lot farking heavier than you think
2012-12-16 10:50:52 AM
1 votes:
I'm sure the fake tree I got 15 years ago for $1.50 at a thrift store is the cause of global warming.
2012-12-16 10:43:09 AM
1 votes:
Not friendly to environment but friendly to the living tree. That tree has been growing for over ten years just so you can cut it down, decorate it's carcass and pretend you have a functional family for a couple weeks.
2012-12-16 10:29:18 AM
1 votes:

Marcintosh: how much of the tree can you see if you've decorated it?


My mother buys real trees and gets them flocked or whatever the fark it's called. I though it was fake when I first saw it. I don't get it. And the smell everyone loves? Yeah, they make candles and air fresheners that smell exactly the same.
2012-12-16 10:25:32 AM
1 votes:
They're also green in an environmental sense.
Said teh Maine Christmas Tree Trade Group -

My plastic tree was manufactured, transported displayed, bought, used, stored, and used and stored and used and stored and used and stored, and used and stored and used and stored and used,and stored, and used and stored and used and stored and used.
Did not need to be cut every year, transported and distributed every year dragged home every year didn't need to go the the lot every year, get wrapped every year.
My miserable plastic tree will never rise to be considered a hair-loomic sort of thing. It has never been beautiful only useful. Really, when you think of it, how much of the tree can you see if you've decorated it? Years from now it can become part of the trash stream - ONCE -
cue the "I'm okay with this" jpeg
2012-12-16 10:12:26 AM
1 votes:
I like a real one but the fake ones are easier to decorate.

They hold the heavier ornaments more easily and if you don't like the way an ornament is hanging, you just bend the branch.
2012-12-16 09:47:53 AM
1 votes:
What, and perpetuate the war on Christmas?

The Book of the Prophet Jeremiah 10

2 thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
2012-12-16 09:42:12 AM
1 votes:
@ Jim_Callahan....

see thats why i love Fark . someone smarter/non-lazy researcher will come along and smack down whatever nonsense they are spewing and teach you a thing or two . Oh ...fake tree guy here btw ...lol . after having 2 kids try and topple my tree for years , i went to fake . plastic decos too . no breakage or split water .
2012-12-16 09:39:54 AM
1 votes:
This is why I have switched to a Festivus end table.
2012-12-16 09:37:20 AM
1 votes:
I go with fake at my house because dragging an artificial tree out of the basement and decorating it once a year for a month is slightly less moronic than driving for miles to get a tree that was cut down for the sole purpose of schlepping it home, mounting it in a base, keeping the thing watered, vacuuming pine needles, trying to avoid getting sap all over everything, using meds and air filters to keep the allergens from getting to me and trimming it with ornaments only to throw it out a month later and pack everything back up so we can go through it again next year.
2012-12-16 09:31:27 AM
1 votes:
My parents used the same fake tree my entire life until I was about 35, and they bought it three years before I was born.

Turns out if you don't buy the cheapest fake tree you can find, it might last more than a small handful of years.
2012-12-16 09:29:29 AM
1 votes:

GORDON: There are more trees now in the USA than there were 100 years ago.

GLOBAL WARMING.


But 100 years ago they were giant chestnuts, elms, oaks, and walnuts. Now they're dinky little Bradford Pears and weeping cherries.
2012-12-16 09:23:57 AM
1 votes:

Kimpak: Christmas tree bags. Check them out. Slip it on before you put it on the stand; then when its time to take it down it just slips over the tree and you take it out to the curb. Easy peasy.

There are also a variety of watering gadgets that work pretty good. As long as you get a good healthy tree and keep it watered, they don't drop a ton of needles.


Still an all around pain in the ass. Drive to the lot, pick one, strap it to your car. drag it in the house etc. etc.... Plus having to spend $50 or more every year.
Got my fake one about 10 years ago for like $99. No annual cost and it takes me about 30 second to go out to the garage and get it when it's time to put it up.
2012-12-16 09:18:21 AM
1 votes:

Hermione_Granger: I disagree. My mom bought a fake tree when I turned 15. She used that tree for years until I moved back home. Then we used my fake tree which I bought when my daughter was 5 and we still use now she's 20. My mom's old tree is in use at church every winter to hold hat, glove and scarf donations. Two fake trees with well over 30 years use between them and will probably be used for decades more. How is this enviornmentally unfriendly?


This. I have my parent's old artificial one. Its probably 25 years old.

Granted, before they bought it, they would get live trees (usually long needled) with the roots and plant the trees in the yard after the season was over. Thats probably more environmentally friendly. I may do that when we have kids for a few years. Its pretty cool when I go home to know those massive trees were former christmas trees.
2012-12-16 09:14:49 AM
1 votes:
Fake tree because I have a 22' ceiling in the living room and don't want to pay hundreds of dollars for an 18' fire hazard.
2012-12-16 09:13:40 AM
1 votes:
Got a fake as: 1 - Mrs Gumby's allergies go nuts around a real tree, 2 - more cost effective in long run, 3 - less mess and more convenient
 
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