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(Kennebec Journal)   Real Christmas tree vs. a fake one. For those that pick fake to be environmentally friendly, you're barking up the wrong tree   (kjonline.com) divider line 139
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2012-12-16 09:02:47 AM  
You mean that 8-foot tall, 4 time use piece of metal and plastic isn't environmentally freindly?

I thought not planting hundreds of pine trees that would grow faster because of their youth and absorb significant amounts of carbon from the air was a good thing.
 
2012-12-16 09:03:54 AM  
I don't pick fake to be environmentally friendly. I pick fake so I don't have to go out and buy one every year and clean up the mess.
 
2012-12-16 09:07:31 AM  
TFA was actually an interesting read. Where I'm from, (Nova Scotia), shipping Xmas trees to the US is a fairly big industry.

Red spruce is the only real Xmas tree!
 
2012-12-16 09:08:36 AM  
I don't know a single person that buys one to be "green." I have a fake one because I remember from my youth how much of a pain in the ass real ones were.
 
2012-12-16 09:09:50 AM  

abhorrent1: I don't pick fake to be environmentally friendly. I pick fake so I don't have to go out and buy one every year and clean up the mess.


Exactly.
 
2012-12-16 09:09:54 AM  
Hey, you leave my 4.5' tree alone. It has feelings too you know.
 
2012-12-16 09:10:11 AM  
Jesus would've bought a real tree. Santa Clause would go fake.

I'm going with presents over getting carried across sandy beaches.
 
2012-12-16 09:10:14 AM  
I disagree. My mom bought a fake tree when I turned 15. She used that tree for years until I moved back home. Then we used my fake tree which I bought when my daughter was 5 and we still use now she's 20. My mom's old tree is in use at church every winter to hold hat, glove and scarf donations. Two fake trees with well over 30 years use between them and will probably be used for decades more. How is this enviornmentally unfriendly?
 
2012-12-16 09:13:40 AM  
Got a fake as: 1 - Mrs Gumby's allergies go nuts around a real tree, 2 - more cost effective in long run, 3 - less mess and more convenient
 
2012-12-16 09:14:11 AM  

abhorrent1: I don't pick fake to be environmentally friendly. I pick fake so I don't have to go out and buy one every year and clean up the mess.


Christmas tree bags. Check them out. Slip it on before you put it on the stand; then when its time to take it down it just slips over the tree and you take it out to the curb. Easy peasy.

There are also a variety of watering gadgets that work pretty good. As long as you get a good healthy tree and keep it watered, they don't drop a ton of needles.
 
2012-12-16 09:14:49 AM  
Fake tree because I have a 22' ceiling in the living room and don't want to pay hundreds of dollars for an 18' fire hazard.
 
2012-12-16 09:15:25 AM  
I don't use fake to be environmentally friendly. I use fake because I'd rather not set my home on fire when either of my cats chews through a cable.

/ Five years later, they've long since outgrown it, but every now and again...
 
2012-12-16 09:16:16 AM  
Real or fake, it's a stupid tradition.
 
2012-12-16 09:18:14 AM  
The only thing weirder than dragging a dying tree into your living room and worshipping it for several weeks is dragging a fake dying tree into your living room and worshipping it.

Plus I like the smell.
 
2012-12-16 09:18:21 AM  

Hermione_Granger: I disagree. My mom bought a fake tree when I turned 15. She used that tree for years until I moved back home. Then we used my fake tree which I bought when my daughter was 5 and we still use now she's 20. My mom's old tree is in use at church every winter to hold hat, glove and scarf donations. Two fake trees with well over 30 years use between them and will probably be used for decades more. How is this enviornmentally unfriendly?


This. I have my parent's old artificial one. Its probably 25 years old.

Granted, before they bought it, they would get live trees (usually long needled) with the roots and plant the trees in the yard after the season was over. Thats probably more environmentally friendly. I may do that when we have kids for a few years. Its pretty cool when I go home to know those massive trees were former christmas trees.
 
2012-12-16 09:18:27 AM  

kaseyfarksdaladies: Real or fake, it's a stupid tradition.


Decorating anything for any reason is stupid. fark aesthetics, am I right?
 
2012-12-16 09:19:07 AM  
we use one of those Charlie Brown trees.
 
2012-12-16 09:20:35 AM  

Gortex: TFA was actually an interesting read. Where I'm from, (Nova Scotia), shipping Xmas trees to the US is a fairly big industry.

Red spruce is the only real Xmas tree!


Well I guess if that's all you can get it's close enough. Norway Spruce FTW.
 
2012-12-16 09:20:38 AM  
Anyone else have had issues trying to get grouse or squirrels out if their tree?

/just get a farking aluminium pole
 
2012-12-16 09:22:16 AM  
Fake. I am allergic to real.

/ it took a long time to realize real wasn't worth the problems.
// Too bad. I love real trees.
 
2012-12-16 09:23:57 AM  

Kimpak: Christmas tree bags. Check them out. Slip it on before you put it on the stand; then when its time to take it down it just slips over the tree and you take it out to the curb. Easy peasy.

There are also a variety of watering gadgets that work pretty good. As long as you get a good healthy tree and keep it watered, they don't drop a ton of needles.


Still an all around pain in the ass. Drive to the lot, pick one, strap it to your car. drag it in the house etc. etc.... Plus having to spend $50 or more every year.
Got my fake one about 10 years ago for like $99. No annual cost and it takes me about 30 second to go out to the garage and get it when it's time to put it up.
 
2012-12-16 09:27:08 AM  
There are more trees now in the USA than there were 100 years ago.

GLOBAL WARMING.
 
2012-12-16 09:27:59 AM  
Fake. The last real one was 9 years ago with a brand new stand. Unbeknownst to us, the stand had a crack in it and it leaked water for almost a month. Ruined the oriental rug and the wood floor underneath so I spent a month fixing the floor including spalting red oak planks to match the rest of the floor.
 
2012-12-16 09:28:32 AM  

Hermione_Granger: I disagree. My mom bought a fake tree when I turned 15. She used that tree for years until I moved back home. Then we used my fake tree which I bought when my daughter was 5 and we still use now she's 20. My mom's old tree is in use at church every winter to hold hat, glove and scarf donations. Two fake trees with well over 30 years use between them and will probably be used for decades more. How is this enviornmentally (sic) unfriendly?


Because you didn't read TFA, that's why.
 
2012-12-16 09:29:29 AM  

GORDON: There are more trees now in the USA than there were 100 years ago.

GLOBAL WARMING.


But 100 years ago they were giant chestnuts, elms, oaks, and walnuts. Now they're dinky little Bradford Pears and weeping cherries.
 
2012-12-16 09:29:51 AM  
Throughout Maine, more than 1.2 million Christmas trees are growing quietly on about 300 plots of land. Each tree will progress slowly from seed to seedling, from youth to maturity, until they're harvested 12 years later for their brief moment of glory in living rooms and parlors throughout the land.

The fark kind of trees are you using as christmas trees, white oak? Your standard 6-8 foot fir hits full size in three years. I know this because a neighbor used to raise them, he had three lots that he cycled.

//Oh, confiers... why? Why not use something that grows faster?

"Real Christmas trees sequester carbon while they're growing," she said. "The ground they're growing in keeps building up organic matter, which also helps keep carbon out of the atmosphere and in the soil."

Also, nearly all Christmas tree growers plant a new tree for every one that is cut down, so sequestration continues long after the holidays, she said.

Artificial trees, on the other hand, cannot be recycled whenever their usable life ends, plus a lot of fossil fuels are burned to create and ship them to the U.S, she said.


... ok, when I read "doctorate in plant and soil sciences", my first reaction was genuine curiosity, since I've never seen a school have any department labeled like that, it's typically agriculture or botany.

Then I read the above (plus the bit where they're encouraging "organic" farming) and realized it's one of those internet degrees from an unaccredited university with no physical campus or actual faculty. I know this because if it _was_ a real degree, and you published a nonsense phrase of incorrectly-used buzzwords like "trees sequester carbon while they're growing" without taking the fifteen seconds to google what sequestration actually means, your thesis advisor would hunt you down and beat you to death with a baseball bat with rusty nails sticking out of it.

//Also, not knowing that PET and HDPE, the two most common plastics in trees, are both recyclable, is pretty unforgivable for anyone with pretenses toward scientific literacy. As is not knowing that short sappy evergreens aren't meaningfully recyclable, as it takes more energy and produces more pollution to turn them into paper or particle board than just letting it rot somewhere and making new paper out of a proper wood.

//farking ignorant-ass hippies have ruined environmentalism for the actual, knowledgeable conservationists. We really need to look into resurrecting Theodore Roosevelt.
 
2012-12-16 09:31:27 AM  
My parents used the same fake tree my entire life until I was about 35, and they bought it three years before I was born.

Turns out if you don't buy the cheapest fake tree you can find, it might last more than a small handful of years.
 
2012-12-16 09:32:27 AM  

mike_d85: You mean that 8-foot tall, 4 time use piece of metal and plastic isn't environmentally freindly?


Where exactly did you get that they can only be used 4 times? Most people buy one and it last them for life, I've had mine for 20 years now and it looks the same as the day I bought it.
 
2012-12-16 09:32:47 AM  
Trees are a renewable resource.
Growing trees are better for the environment than preserving old trees.

We should encourage people to cut down trees.
 
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2012-12-16 09:33:14 AM  
Real tree
S are for the yard

Real trees are for the yard. Keep the needles outside along with the spiders and stink bugs
 
2012-12-16 09:33:46 AM  
The first thing of Christmas that's such a pain to me....
 
2012-12-16 09:33:50 AM  
We switch between the two. My family always did a fake tree; my husband's family did real. If we aren't going to be home for Xmas, we use our fake tree. If we are, we get a real one. This year we are staying in town, so we got a real one. I hate the needles, but it smells nice. Both have advantages and disadvantages, and It's really what you want to put up with.
 
2012-12-16 09:37:20 AM  
I go with fake at my house because dragging an artificial tree out of the basement and decorating it once a year for a month is slightly less moronic than driving for miles to get a tree that was cut down for the sole purpose of schlepping it home, mounting it in a base, keeping the thing watered, vacuuming pine needles, trying to avoid getting sap all over everything, using meds and air filters to keep the allergens from getting to me and trimming it with ornaments only to throw it out a month later and pack everything back up so we can go through it again next year.
 
2012-12-16 09:39:54 AM  
This is why I have switched to a Festivus end table.
 
2012-12-16 09:40:41 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Throughout Maine, more than 1.2 million Christmas trees are growing quietly on about 300 plots of land. Each tree will progress slowly from seed to seedling, from youth to maturity, until they're harvested 12 years later for their brief moment of glory in living rooms and parlors throughout the land.

The fark kind of trees are you using as christmas trees, white oak? Your standard 6-8 foot fir hits full size in three years. I know this because a neighbor used to raise them, he had three lots that he cycled.

//Oh, confiers... why? Why not use something that grows faster?

"Real Christmas trees sequester carbon while they're growing," she said. "The ground they're growing in keeps building up organic matter, which also helps keep carbon out of the atmosphere and in the soil."

Also, nearly all Christmas tree growers plant a new tree for every one that is cut down, so sequestration continues long after the holidays, she said.

Artificial trees, on the other hand, cannot be recycled whenever their usable life ends, plus a lot of fossil fuels are burned to create and ship them to the U.S, she said.

... ok, when I read "doctorate in plant and soil sciences", my first reaction was genuine curiosity, since I've never seen a school have any department labeled like that, it's typically agriculture or botany.

Then I read the above (plus the bit where they're encouraging "organic" farming) and realized it's one of those internet degrees from an unaccredited university with no physical campus or actual faculty. I know this because if it _was_ a real degree, and you published a nonsense phrase of incorrectly-used buzzwords like "trees sequester carbon while they're growing" without taking the fifteen seconds to google what sequestration actually means, your thesis advisor would hunt you down and beat you to death with a baseball bat with rusty nails sticking out of it.

//Also, not knowing that PET and HDPE, the two most common plastics in trees, are both recyclable, is pretty unforgivable for anyone with pretenses toward scientific literacy. As is not knowing that short sappy evergreens aren't meaningfully recyclable, as it takes more energy and produces more pollution to turn them into paper or particle board than just letting it rot somewhere and making new paper out of a proper wood.

//farking ignorant-ass hippies have ruined environmentalism for the actual, knowledgeable conservationists. We really need to look into resurrecting Theodore Roosevelt.


1. Trees DO sequester carbon while growing. What happens afterward determines the long term effects. Burn them and you get nowhere, but dump them in a landfill and you make a dent.

2. Do you think most people recycle fake trees or throw them out? I would guess throw them out based on my experience with how little people recycle in my area.
 
2012-12-16 09:41:24 AM  
More environmentally friendly?

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2012-12-16 09:42:12 AM  
@ Jim_Callahan....

see thats why i love Fark . someone smarter/non-lazy researcher will come along and smack down whatever nonsense they are spewing and teach you a thing or two . Oh ...fake tree guy here btw ...lol . after having 2 kids try and topple my tree for years , i went to fake . plastic decos too . no breakage or split water .
 
2012-12-16 09:42:47 AM  

mike_d85: I thought not planting hundreds of pine trees that would grow faster because of their youth and absorb significant amounts of carbon from the air was a good thing.


... and then the CO2 is released again when the tree rots/burns. Or are you one of those people who keeps the tree alive and growing perpetually, for each tree for every year you get one?

The process that removes CO2 from the air and keeps it out is the one that produces petroleum/coal. Trees will lock it into solid form while they're alive.

... but to grow a tree, and then toss it out doesn't accomplish anything.
 
2012-12-16 09:46:01 AM  
I pick fake because I take it out of the box, plug it in, and its ready to decorate.

As for the environmental concerns. You know what else absorbs CO2 and gives off O2? Forests that aren't cut down annually to be turned into mulch (or landfill).

Also, those trucks that filled with trees dont run on Santa's magic fairy dust. (it's dead dinosaurs)
 
2012-12-16 09:47:53 AM  
What, and perpetuate the war on Christmas?

The Book of the Prophet Jeremiah 10

2 thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
 
2012-12-16 09:48:43 AM  

jwmc1971: @ Jim_Callahan....

see thats why i love Fark . someone smarter/non-lazy researcher will come along and smack down whatever nonsense they are spewing and teach you a thing or two . Oh ...fake tree guy here btw ...lol . after having 2 kids try and topple my tree for years , i went to fake . plastic decos too . no breakage or split water .


Was Jim a brilliant researcher or did he just tell you what you wanted to hear and rant at the clouds about hippies?

Because I'm almost positive it is the latter.
 
2012-12-16 09:55:45 AM  
The fake tree has been much better on my blood pressure.
 
2012-12-16 09:57:19 AM  
My parents bought a plastic tree a couple years before I was born. We used it for more than 20 years.
 
2012-12-16 10:01:09 AM  
Our family has always used fake trees. Even if I wanted to, I wouldn't begin to know what on Earth to do with a real one. I guess where some would associate Christmas with the smell of a real tree, I associate the smell of plastic warmed slightly by the lights.

I don't know if it is true now, but the tree my parents bought 15 years ago, to replace the old tree which my brother still uses, was manufactured in the U.S by General Foam Plastics in Norfolk, VA. I've driven by that place once or twice, but I don't know if they are still making them. So maybe there is a qualifier to the "...lot of fossil fuels are burned to create and ship them to the U.S" statement from the article.
 
2012-12-16 10:04:41 AM  
One year, due to the lack of conifers, I decorated a sea fan.

Looked great, smelled like sh*t.
 
2012-12-16 10:06:35 AM  
If I bothered with xmas trees, it would be fake, because of the link below.
However, I want others to use real, also because of the link below.

A friend used to have a traditional Easter fire the night before Easter. The main event would be the burning of the old Christmas trees & wreaths. Even after a wet winter, they'd burn like no one's business.

Fire is cool.
 
2012-12-16 10:06:45 AM  

ramblinwreck: I don't know a single person that buys one to be "green." I have a fake one because I remember from my youth how much of a pain in the ass real ones were.


You're not supposed to sit on them, dummy.
 
2012-12-16 10:07:18 AM  
If the American Christmas Tree Association says artificial is better over 10+ years, I'm gonna go with that over some guy spreading un-researched rumours.

Link

Also, FTA
During that slow, silent journey, the trees will provide habitat for birds and insects and they will absorb carbon dioxide from the air and deliver it into the soil.

...and then...

Twice a year, in spring and late summer, Bradbury applies more than a ton of fertilizer to the tree bases. He also applies herbicide around young trees because grass can overwhelm and kill them. In May, he typically sprays for bugs, particularly the balsam twig aphid. He also mows between the rows about 10 times a year during the growing months.

Yay environment!!11!!
 
2012-12-16 10:08:55 AM  
After I saw a real one catch fire in a friend's house some 30 years ago and destroy the place in a matter of a few minutes, I never bought a real one after that. I really like them, but the heat from that tree was so intense we couldn't get near it to do anything about it.
 
2012-12-16 10:12:26 AM  
I like a real one but the fake ones are easier to decorate.

They hold the heavier ornaments more easily and if you don't like the way an ornament is hanging, you just bend the branch.
 
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