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2012-12-16 01:43:01 AM
This will be the straw that breaks the camel's back
 
2012-12-16 01:57:01 AM
Yeah, we knew this was coming. It was predicted by many farkers in previous threads.
 
2012-12-16 01:58:27 AM
Oh, I presumed they would sink lower. They're trolls, constantly stepping up the game to anger the most possible people.

borg: This will be the straw that breaks the camel's back


Respectfully to you sir or ma'am, I genuinely doubt that. There's always going to be a niche market for this sort of bullsh*t.
 
2012-12-16 02:12:56 AM
Out of 300 million people, there is always bound to be a few complete and absolute farktards
 
2012-12-16 02:20:35 AM
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2012-12-16 02:26:22 AM
I thought I remembered that back in the 80s, one of the white supremacist groups that were preaching about killing non-whites got slammed with a hate-speech charge. They claimed religious freedom but the courts said, nah -- hating for hate's sake isn't religion.

Isn't that the case here? Can't WBC be nailed for hate speech?
 
2012-12-16 02:43:23 AM

dramboxf: I thought I remembered that back in the 80s, one of the white supremacist groups that were preaching about killing non-whites got slammed with a hate-speech charge. They claimed religious freedom but the courts said, nah -- hating for hate's sake isn't religion.

Isn't that the case here? Can't WBC be nailed for hate speech?


I don't think they're explicitly advocating killing anyone. Pretty sure they know where the "Fire in a crowded theater" line is by now.
 
2012-12-16 02:51:11 AM
The Phelps family are all lawyers and once upon a time Fred Phelps was a prominent civil rights attorney before being disbarred
 
2012-12-16 02:56:05 AM
I don't like these people very much.
 
2012-12-16 03:45:43 AM
So is this what all Christians are like?
 
2012-12-16 04:03:55 AM
There is actually no low to which these people can sink. Because they're not in it for their supposed beliefs, they're in it for a living. They employ full-time lawyers to file applications for demonstrations. Many are denied, and so then they file lawsuits under the first amendment - but of course they will usually settle for some money. This is what these people do. When they actually show up to "protest," they are usually there for about 30 minutes or less and then they get the heck out of there.

Therefore, the VERY best thing that we can all do is allow them to do whatever the hell they want. Let them hold up their signs, and laugh at them. They don't mean it. They've almost never meant it. Let them do their thing and laugh and laugh and laugh at them. But always let them do their thing. Because it is only in not being allowed that they make their dough. They must always be allowed. It is so irriating, I know. But they must always always be allowed.

Because if they have nobody to sue, they will eventually have to go away, because they won't have any money.
 
2012-12-16 04:24:58 AM

Osomatic: There is actually no low to which these people can sink. Because they're not in it for their supposed beliefs, they're in it for a living. They employ full-time lawyers to file applications for demonstrations. Many are denied, and so then they file lawsuits under the first amendment - but of course they will usually settle for some money. This is what these people do. When they actually show up to "protest," they are usually there for about 30 minutes or less and then they get the heck out of there.

Therefore, the VERY best thing that we can all do is allow them to do whatever the hell they want. Let them hold up their signs, and laugh at them. They don't mean it. They've almost never meant it. Let them do their thing and laugh and laugh and laugh at them. But always let them do their thing. Because it is only in not being allowed that they make their dough. They must always be allowed. It is so irriating, I know. But they must always always be allowed.

Because if they have nobody to sue, they will eventually have to go away, because they won't have any money.


Very nice. To put it succinctly, don't give these attention seeking coonts any farking attention.
 
2012-12-16 04:42:43 AM
I know how to deal with these farks.

During the Columbine memorial service a group of religious farkers showed up an did what they do: Handmade signs, screaming that god wanted the massacre to happen. (For all I know it was them.) A group of students gathered around them and started to sing 'Amazing Grace'. A bunch of other people joined in, and then more. Very soon the singing drowned out the vile screaming. No matter where they went, or what they said they were hidden and silenced by grieving people singing hymns.

That's what should happen tomorrow, instead of people screaming back at them.
 
2012-12-16 07:02:31 AM
They won't even show. They threatened to picket the funerals of the Amish school shootings here a few years back, got tons of press and outrage, and then never showed up.

They troll so hard now they don't even have to show up.

I wish the media outlets would all agree "do not mention anything about these farksticks, except the day when the inevitable 'WBC head Fred Phelps found raped to death by rabid wildebeest; wildebeest to get ticker-tape parade' story breaks."
 
2012-12-16 07:05:39 AM
So is this the thread where we vent righteous indignation against lawsuit trolls, and pretend like these douchebags actually matter instead of just doing what we should be doing, and not giving them ANY attention, media or otherwise?

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THESE PEOPLE ARE A PROFESSIONAL SCAM. NOTHING ELSE.
 
2012-12-16 07:41:09 AM

dickfreckle: borg: This will be the straw that breaks the camel's back

Respectfully to you sir or ma'am, I genuinely doubt that. There's always going to be a niche market for this sort of bullsh*t.


I think s/he means "This is the incident which will get them murdered by an angry mob."

Though frankly, I doubt it. Most people are wise to their despicable tricks, plus they've taken to bringing their children along with them. What heroes; trolling the fark out of grieving parents while using kids as human shields.
 
2012-12-16 07:58:14 AM
The only, and I am mean ONLY good part is the counter protest which brings groups of disparate people together to shield grieving people from the vile human slime that is the WBC.
 
2012-12-16 08:02:37 AM
Reprehensible trolls.
 
2012-12-16 08:08:08 AM
Yes, admins, thanks for greenlighting this. Because if there's one thing these asshats need, it's more publicity.
 
2012-12-16 08:09:25 AM

mikemoto: Yes, admins, thanks for greenlighting this. Because if there's one thing these asshats need, it's more publicity.


NEVER QUESTION THEM.

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2012-12-16 08:09:49 AM

Hoban Washburne: Osomatic: There is actually no low to which these people can sink. Because they're not in it for their supposed beliefs, they're in it for a living. They employ full-time lawyers to file applications for demonstrations. Many are denied, and so then they file lawsuits under the first amendment - but of course they will usually settle for some money. This is what these people do. When they actually show up to "protest," they are usually there for about 30 minutes or less and then they get the heck out of there.

Therefore, the VERY best thing that we can all do is allow them to do whatever the hell they want. Let them hold up their signs, and laugh at them. They don't mean it. They've almost never meant it. Let them do their thing and laugh and laugh and laugh at them. But always let them do their thing. Because it is only in not being allowed that they make their dough. They must always be allowed. It is so irriating, I know. But they must always always be allowed.

Because if they have nobody to sue, they will eventually have to go away, because they won't have any money.

Very nice. To put it succinctly, don't give these attention seeking coonts any farking attention.


Professional trolls are professional.
 
2012-12-16 08:12:26 AM
Normally I just ignore these morons and hope they go away, but this time I actually hope they show up and get their butts kicked.
 
2012-12-16 08:14:37 AM

mr_a: Normally I just ignore these morons and hope they go away, but this time I actually hope they show up and get their butts kicked.


So do they. There's a lucrative pay day at stake here, and the coffers are going empty in Westboro!

/yes. let's give the professional lawsuit trolls more of what they want.
 
2012-12-16 08:20:04 AM
Dear God, could you send the next gun-toting whack-job to WBC for a visit?
 
2012-12-16 08:23:04 AM
FFS, put them down as a terrorist organisation, send them off to gitmo and be done with it already.

There isn't a single civil rights group that would fight their case. Send them to a hole and let them rot.
 
2012-12-16 08:30:32 AM

snuff3r: FFS, put them down as a terrorist organisation, send them off to gitmo and be done with it already.

There isn't a single civil rights group that would fight their case. Send them to a hole and let them rot.


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I'm pretty sure I could name a few off the top of my head, because that's what they do. They protect free speech, regardless of the popularity of the group involved, or who douchebaggy their message is. The problem is that, today it's Westboro Baptist Church, tommorow it could be anyone that a large group of people disagree with.

Westboro Baptist Church are nothing but a group of vile trolls who have learned how to coax people into doing things that get them attention and money. Let me say that up front.

But they still have every legal right to say what they want to as long as they don't incite action based on it.
 
2012-12-16 08:32:35 AM

BronyMedic: mr_a: Normally I just ignore these morons and hope they go away, but this time I actually hope they show up and get their butts kicked.

So do they. There's a lucrative pay day at stake here, and the coffers are going empty in Westboro!

/yes. let's give the professional lawsuit trolls more of what they want.


Bontesla had the right idea in one of the non greens last night, to form a human wall between them and the funerals, not confrontational, just to isolate them into irrelevance.
 
2012-12-16 08:37:41 AM

sno man:
Bontesla had the right idea in one of the non greens last night, to form a human wall between them and the funerals, not confrontational, just to isolate them into irrelevance.


Do what they did when they tried to picket Comi-con in 2010. People just came out and made fun of them until they left.

Youtube video of the counter protest, and it is GLORIOUS.

Getting angry at these people only furthers their goals. They feed on the attention it gives them. That's why things like the Patriot Riders, while noble, irk me. They're giving them EXACTLY what they want.Ridiculing them, and laughing? They tend to pack their stuff up and leave.
 
2012-12-16 08:40:17 AM

BronyMedic: sno man:
Bontesla had the right idea in one of the non greens last night, to form a human wall between them and the funerals, not confrontational, just to isolate them into irrelevance.

Do what they did when they tried to picket Comi-con in 2010. People just came out and made fun of them until they left.

Youtube video of the counter protest, and it is GLORIOUS.

Getting angry at these people only furthers their goals. They feed on the attention it gives them. That's why things like the Patriot Riders, while noble, irk me. They're giving them EXACTLY what they want.Ridiculing them, and laughing? They tend to pack their stuff up and leave.


That's why I thought a human wall maybe with large plain black signs not saying anything, just being in the way of them getting any attention would be a good solution...
 
2012-12-16 08:50:17 AM
They don't deserve to call themselves christian.
 
2012-12-16 08:57:44 AM

BronyMedic: snuff3r: FFS, put them down as a terrorist organisation, send them off to gitmo and be done with it already.

There isn't a single civil rights group that would fight their case. Send them to a hole and let them rot.

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I'm pretty sure I could name a few off the top of my head, because that's what they do. They protect free speech, regardless of the popularity of the group involved, or who douchebaggy their message is. The problem is that, today it's Westboro Baptist Church, tommorow it could be anyone that a large group of people disagree with.

Westboro Baptist Church are nothing but a group of vile trolls who have learned how to coax people into doing things that get them attention and money. Let me say that up front.

But they still have every legal right to say what they want to as long as they don't incite action based on it.


Yeah, agreed. But the flipside is that there have be a shiatload of people that have been ignored for the purposes of the 'national interest'. Look at Hicks and Manning. I'm sure we can find a way...

I'm a hardcore liberal and I want them forcibly removed. Says a lot about them.
 
2012-12-16 09:20:18 AM
Just once I'd like to read a story to the effect of "WBC plans to picket interrupted by lack of airplane tickets" where every single airline simply refused to sell these people tickets.
 
2012-12-16 09:24:28 AM

monty666: So is this what all Christians are like?


Speaking as a non-Christian related with and friends with many actual Christians, the WBC is not Christian. They call themselves Christian, sure, but seriously, would Jesus do this? No, I think Jesus would be part of the counter-protests. But of course that's just speculation. What do I know?

/Yes, WWJD is a fine standard.
 
2012-12-16 09:26:45 AM

minoridiot: They don't deserve to call themselves christian.


Riiiight.

Still pales in comparison to, say, an Inquisition. Or dozens of abortion clinic bombings.
 
2012-12-16 09:34:04 AM

minoridiot: They don't deserve to call themselves christian.


To be fair, that holds true for a lot of people that call themselves Christian.
 
2012-12-16 09:43:53 AM
Finally, Huckabee gets what he wants. Now that they're bringing God to Sandy Hook, he'll protect them from further tragedy.
 
2012-12-16 09:46:24 AM
are they TRYING to get themselves murdered?

WBC: 'we have rights! we can protest anywhere!'
locals: 'a-yup. say sheriff, why don't you go check out the north forty. I hear martha's out that way with a flat tire.'
sheriff: 'why sure, I'll head on out there for while. might take me all day though, that martha...she's got terrible car troubles.'
WBC: 'um...hey, we' got rights. you have to stay here to protect us!'
sheriff: 'you don't look like your in any danger, right fellas?'
locals: 'oh they're fine. just fine.'
sheriff: 'ok then, see you all tomorrow! [drives off]'
WBC: 'well um...ok then, I guess we'll just be going now...'
locals: 'why don't we help you to the elevator'
WBC: 'hey! we're on the first floor! and we got rights! WE'LL SUE!
locals: 'well you'll try anyways...boys, go pry open them doors on the 10th floor. we'll move 'em up in batches...'
WBC: [screams] *dies*
 
2012-12-16 09:48:03 AM

retarded: Finally, Huckabee gets what he wants. Now that they're bringing God to Sandy Hook, he'll protect them from further tragedy.


yeah. until WBC all fall down an elevator shaft and land on some bullets. If I were them I'd sit this one out. they keep taunting people like this, eventually someone is gonna snap. and it's REAL hard to sue when you're dead.
 
2012-12-16 09:53:08 AM

mikemoto: Yes, admins, thanks for greenlighting this. Because if there's one thing these asshats need, it's more publicity.


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2012-12-16 09:58:10 AM
Was the obvious tag out to see a movie or something?
 
2012-12-16 10:03:51 AM

nekom: Was the obvious tag out to see a movie or something?


It was busy fighting the fail tag for dominance.
 
2012-12-16 10:07:24 AM

BronyMedic: mr_a: Normally I just ignore these morons and hope they go away, but this time I actually hope they show up and get their butts kicked.

So do they. There's a lucrative pay day at stake here, and the coffers are going empty in Westboro!

/yes. let's give the professional lawsuit trolls more of what they want.



I understand they want to get assaulted so they can sue for money and publicity. And quite honestly, in this case I am willing to go along with the program. I'll even contribute to the fund.
 
2012-12-16 10:12:50 AM

mr_a: BronyMedic: mr_a: Normally I just ignore these morons and hope they go away, but this time I actually hope they show up and get their butts kicked.

So do they. There's a lucrative pay day at stake here, and the coffers are going empty in Westboro!

/yes. let's give the professional lawsuit trolls more of what they want.


I understand they want to get assaulted so they can sue for money and publicity. And quite honestly, in this case I am willing to go along with the program. I'll even contribute to the fund.


WBC: [holding bloody nose] 'hey he hit me! i'll sue! you all saw it! you're all witnesses!'
locals: 'nope, we all saw you WBC guys swing first, then miss and fall down.'
WBC: 'you can't say that!'
locals: 'its what we saw.'
cops: 'ok, i'll write up the report.'
 
2012-12-16 10:18:30 AM
Who the hell is funding this group? Is this public?
 
2012-12-16 10:25:29 AM
I support free speech. You should be able to say whatever you want, no matter how disgusting, vile, or degrading it might be. It doesn't matter if I personally like you or not.

If Fred Phelps just so happened to get shot in the face while saying his disgusting, vile, degrading things......I would find it very, very, very hard to muster up even one iota of sympathy for him or his retarded family. That's not saying I hope someone shoots him in the face. Just that if it happened, I wouldn't be too broken-up about it.
 
2012-12-16 10:31:43 AM
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2012-12-16 10:44:06 AM

Chariset: Though frankly, I doubt it. Most people are wise to their despicable tricks, plus they've taken to bringing their children along with them. What heroes; trolling the fark out of grieving parents while using kids as human shields.


Actually, most people aren't. Living in CT, I see a lot of my friends on FB hearing about these trolls for the first time ever now that they are planning to come here and do their thing in Newtown. I've been trying to explain the whole "they're not really a church, they're lawyers, this is what they do and please ignore them" but they're REALLY pushing it with this one. People don't really have their heads on straight, as expected.
 
2012-12-16 10:44:06 AM

borg: This will be the straw that breaks the camel's back


No, it won't. Freedom not only isn't free, its cost is measured in piles of children. Children with cold, dead hands.
 
2012-12-16 10:44:13 AM
I didn't even read the article, but can someone explain to me what they are protesting, exactly?
 
TWX
2012-12-16 10:44:25 AM
Runs_With_Scissors_:
I know how to deal with these farks.

During the Columbine memorial service a group of religious farkers showed up an did what they do: Handmade signs, screaming that god wanted the massacre to happen. (For all I know it was them.) A group of students gathered around them and started to sing 'Amazing Grace'. A bunch of other people joined in, and then more. Very soon the singing drowned out the vile screaming. No matter where they went, or what they said they were hidden and silenced by grieving people singing hymns.

That's what should happen tomorrow, instead of people screaming back at them.


Really? As beautiful as a concept as that is, i would like them to be tarred and feathered and stuck together as a clump, all standing up, while the tar is still sticky.
 
2012-12-16 10:44:59 AM
Where are the loons with weapons when we really need them?
 
2012-12-16 10:45:55 AM

m3000: Out of 300 million people, there is always bound to be a few complete and absolute farktards


If by a "few", you mean "hundreds of thousands", I would estimate you are correct.

Unfortunately, that's enough to form several hundred clubs, associations and parishes of farktards.
 
2012-12-16 10:46:24 AM
Please bring politics into everything...
Please bring politics into everything...
Yes!
My wish came true..
 
2012-12-16 10:46:39 AM
Why couldn't Adam Lanza have gone and killed all the Westboro Baptist Church ass wipes? He would have been hailed a hero and had a national holiday named after him.
 
2012-12-16 10:46:42 AM
Further proof that there is no God, just a bunch of us humans running around scared.
 
2012-12-16 10:47:00 AM
I dunno, I'm excited. There a people out there who genuinely believe the world is going to end in less than a week; WBC may be getting more than they bargained for with this one
 
2012-12-16 10:47:35 AM
Just let them show up, and nobody, nobody even one person, show up to watch their hate. Don't drive by, don't stand around watching, just act like they don't exist. That is the worst thing you can do to a troll.
 
2012-12-16 10:47:45 AM
Westboro picketing there? Then look for more mass shootings in Newtown.
 
2012-12-16 10:48:29 AM

snuff3r: FFS, put them down as a terrorist organisation, send them off to gitmo and be done with it already.

There isn't a single civil rights group that would fight their case. Send them to a hole and let them rot.


What you are advocating is much worse than anything the WBC has ever done.
 
2012-12-16 10:48:56 AM
Time for comedy relief, I guess.
 
2012-12-16 10:49:18 AM
They are allowed to say and do anything they want that's not inciting a riot.

Why care, really?

I don't.
 
2012-12-16 10:49:58 AM

BronyMedic: sno man:
Bontesla had the right idea in one of the non greens last night, to form a human wall between them and the funerals, not confrontational, just to isolate them into irrelevance.

Do what they did when they tried to picket Comi-con in 2010. People just came out and made fun of them until they left.

Youtube video of the counter protest, and it is GLORIOUS.

Getting angry at these people only furthers their goals. They feed on the attention it gives them. That's why things like the Patriot Riders, while noble, irk me. They're giving them EXACTLY what they want.Ridiculing them, and laughing? They tend to pack their stuff up and leave.


I don't know that the people tomorrow will be able to manage a point and laugh, but I loved the Amazing Grace idea upthread. If I was closer, I would be there singing it.

Also, while there is one main road through Newtown (route 7), the roads to other places from that are... narrow. Easily blocked by overly-parked cars, if you catch my drift. They may not even be able to get close enough.

Also, New Englanders are masters of the "shun" - it is entirely possible they will be completely ignored.
 
2012-12-16 10:50:50 AM
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2012-12-16 10:51:28 AM

buntz: I didn't even read the article, but can someone explain to me what they are protesting, exactly?


Same as always. Not having as much money and publicity as they want.
 
2012-12-16 10:53:31 AM

TWX: Runs_With_Scissors_: I know how to deal with these farks.

During the Columbine memorial service a group of religious farkers showed up an did what they do: Handmade signs, screaming that god wanted the massacre to happen. (For all I know it was them.) A group of students gathered around them and started to sing 'Amazing Grace'. A bunch of other people joined in, and then more. Very soon the singing drowned out the vile screaming. No matter where they went, or what they said they were hidden and silenced by grieving people singing hymns.

That's what should happen tomorrow, instead of people screaming back at them.

Really? As beautiful as a concept as that is, i would like them to be tarred and feathered and stuck together as a clump, all standing up,

in various positions suggesting that they're sodomizing each other while the tar is still sticky.

FTFY
 
2012-12-16 10:53:32 AM
i305.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-16 10:53:40 AM
I'm a little curious what the conversation is like at a Westboro Baptist Sunday Dinner.
 
2012-12-16 10:54:19 AM

borg: This will be the straw that breaks the camel's back


Agreed. If there was ever a time when people might snap and kill some WBC lowlifes, this would be it.
 
2012-12-16 10:55:42 AM
Vuvuzelas are the only solution.
Really. Right in their faces.
 
2012-12-16 10:56:42 AM
Would itbe 'illegal' to 'beat' them with a sack of oranges? If thats wrong i dont wanto be right
 
2012-12-16 10:57:53 AM
Everyone has heard that they are legal trolls, but has anyone every published numbers?

How much money have they raked in through acting vile, and how can that be used against them?
 
2012-12-16 10:57:59 AM
I would like to tell a story, but this is of course second hand since I did not witness this personally.


WBC came to the town I am currently living in. I will say where at the end 'cuz thats the punchline.

Anyways, they came here to spew out their derp during the funeral of a solider that died in Iraq or Afghanistan, I dont recall where exactly. And I'm too lazy to look it up.

So, they get here and check in to a local motel. The next day was their big 'protest' (more like a circle jerk of hate, but thats just my opinion, man).

Some local vehicles blocked in their van or vans in the motel lot. County maintenance vehicles of some sort, if I remember right. They could not really do much about that.

Apparently one of them got into some sort of scuffle with one of the locals here and I believe they were arrested over it, too. Disturbing the peace.

I dont think WBC had much time to protest much, since they got the hint quite fast that people were just not happy to see them and they were generally not welcome AT ALL around here.

Where is this place? Brandon, Mississippi. So for everyone that complains about MS (myself included), we did at least manage to get one thing right (for once).

I farking hate the WBC and wish every bad thing possible could happen to them. They are very sick individuals and what is awful about them is that they teach their kids to do this shiat, too. That is just sick stick stuff. 

The kid that shot up the school - which is why we are even having this discussion - would have been a god damn national hero if he had gone to KS. and just blown every last one of the adult WBC members away. We'd be farking kissing his ass for 100 years.
 
2012-12-16 10:59:22 AM

dramboxf: I thought I remembered that back in the 80s, one of the white supremacist groups that were preaching about killing non-whites got slammed with a hate-speech charge. They claimed religious freedom but the courts said, nah -- hating for hate's sake isn't religion.

Isn't that the case here? Can't WBC be nailed for hate speech?


I hope not.

I hate those Westboro animals with a fiery passion, but arresting them for merely expressing themselves - no matter how horrific their views are - makes my anger at them look like a cigarette lighter next to a bonfire.

The best thing to do is IGNORE THEM. Not just the media, but anyone who runs a business where these people live should refuse them service.

Better to starve these few, harmless people out than for the country to slide further down the slope towards censorship and thought control.
 
2012-12-16 10:59:44 AM
If you really want to render the WBC ineffective, we should get thousands upon thousands of people to "join" legally. Then whenever a protest is planned anywhere, overwhelm them by being legally permitted to carry huge signs blocking out theirs and have 500 signs to every 1 of theirs. And be sure the signs have something really funny or stupid on them.

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2012-12-16 11:03:24 AM
Westboro Cult (they are not a Baptist Church) is nothing more than a front group funded by Progressive organizations to make Christians look bad

No real Christian would protest at the funerals of 20 murdered children. Only someone that would support infanticide would even consider such evil

Westboro Cult founder Fred Phelps is buddies with Al Gore, and has contributed to his political campaigns over the years. That is fact. The Phelps Family are DEMOCRATS

The Westboro Cult/Phelps Family are also all Bar Certified lawyers...and stage these protests to lure opponents into lawsuits. They are really no different than the Liberal Democrat Trial Lawyers that are the biggest fund raisers for the DNC

Note also that none of the Gay Rights Group ever protest against Westboro Cult and their anti-homosexual themed protests. There is a reason why the Gay Rights Groups do not protest Westboro...they are both funded by the same Liberals

Of course, your non-three-digit IQ Liberal DoucheCrat will always try to link Westboro Cult with Christian Conservatives...when in fact Westboro is die-hard Liberal
 
2012-12-16 11:04:36 AM
If I was ever diagnosed with a terminal illness, these people would be at the top of my list. For that matter, they would be the list, because I can't think of anyone else.
 
2012-12-16 11:05:23 AM

sno man: BronyMedic: sno man:
Bontesla had the right idea in one of the non greens last night, to form a human wall between them and the funerals, not confrontational, just to isolate them into irrelevance.

Do what they did when they tried to picket Comi-con in 2010. People just came out and made fun of them until they left.

Youtube video of the counter protest, and it is GLORIOUS.

Getting angry at these people only furthers their goals. They feed on the attention it gives them. That's why things like the Patriot Riders, while noble, irk me. They're giving them EXACTLY what they want.Ridiculing them, and laughing? They tend to pack their stuff up and leave.

That's why I thought a human wall maybe with large plain black signs not saying anything mirrors, just being in the way of them getting any attention would be a good solution...

 
2012-12-16 11:06:18 AM

Osomatic:
Therefore, the VERY best thing that we can all do is allow them to do whatever the hell they want.


That's not true. The very best thing we can do is Waco their asses.
 
2012-12-16 11:06:52 AM
While it's completely understandable, a note to those who are suggesting that a sociopath should visit WBC with several handguns tucked under his belt... remember, they're sociopathic. It's like suggesting a misanthrope should be put in charge of collecting donations for charity.
 
2012-12-16 11:06:56 AM

tshauk: If you really want to render the WBC ineffective, we should get thousands upon thousands of people to "join" legally. Then whenever a protest is planned anywhere, overwhelm them by being legally permitted to carry huge signs blocking out theirs and have 500 signs to every 1 of theirs. And be sure the signs have something really funny or stupid on them.

[i94.photobucket.com image 591x408]


That sign makes me sad. The non-Mexican place around here that used to have really good fajitas no longer carries them. And they even got the food-to-tortilla ratio right!
 
2012-12-16 11:06:58 AM

dennysgod: Westboro Baptist church blaming this on Maine, Maryland, and Washington legalizing same-sex marriages last month in 3...2...1...


/you know those f*ckers will



Called it.  (sort of)
 
2012-12-16 11:07:18 AM

borg: This will be the straw that breaks the camel's back


I wish, but sadly it won't. I hate those ass***** so much and wish they all die
 
2012-12-16 11:07:59 AM

buntz: I didn't even read the article, but can someone explain to me what they are protesting, exactly?


Fred Phelps is obsessesed with Leviticus, specifically that whole bit about 'man laying with another man' crap. Because US law forbids the slaughtering of the gays, ANYONE who dies protecting the values of the US deserved to die horribly. This basically amounts to two type of people

1. American
2. not a Member of the WBC

So they're ok
 
2012-12-16 11:08:49 AM

DancingElkCondor: Westboro Cult founder Fred Phelps is buddies with Al Gore, and has contributed to his political campaigns over the years. That is fact. The Phelps Family are DEMOCRATS


Which has to do with what, exactly? Please. Tell us more.

DancingElkCondor: The Westboro Cult/Phelps Family are also all Bar Certified lawyers...and stage these protests to lure opponents into lawsuits. They are really no different than the Liberal Democrat Trial Lawyers that are the biggest fund raisers for the DNC


Fred Phelps was debarred because of his massive ethics violations in the past, as well as the use of the court to file frivolous lawsuits in hopes of settlement.

DancingElkCondor: Note also that none of the Gay Rights Group ever protest against Westboro Cult and their anti-homosexual themed protests. There is a reason why the Gay Rights Groups do not protest Westboro...they are both funded by the same Liberals


You're trolling here, right? Please, please tell me you're trying to Poe.


Wow. I never thought I'd see, of all things, Westboro Conspiracy Theorists.
 
2012-12-16 11:09:25 AM
Here's a tip for the residents of Newtown, just ignore them and don't go and see them protest. They're protected under the 1st Amendment in the case of Snyder v. Phelps.

When the WBC sees people ignoring them and/or not showing up to counter protest, they will probably give up.
 
2012-12-16 11:09:26 AM

elffster:
Anyways, they came here to spew out their derp during the funeral of a solider that died in Iraq or Afghanistan...

I dont think WBC had much time to protest much, since they got the hint quite fast that people were just not happy to see them and they were generally not welcome AT ALL around here.

Where is this place? Brandon, Mississippi. So for everyone that complains about MS (myself included), we did at least manage to get one thing right (for once).


Relevant point... since your state passed a constitutional amendment that is 100% in line with the WBC's beliefs with 86% of your people voting for it. Having your counter-protests only when soldiers or kids are involved doesn't really distinguish you.
 
2012-12-16 11:09:27 AM
This should be the response - how many people could we get to do the worlds largest rick roll?

Link
 
2012-12-16 11:09:47 AM

DancingElkCondor: nothing more than a front group funded by Progressive organizations to make Christians look bad


Wow, look, this is the fastest anyone made it to the ignore list.
 
2012-12-16 11:10:47 AM
I say let them protest... whatever happens, happens.

And when they get lynched, just stay out of the way. Whatever happens, happens... and will hopefully be painful as hell.
 
2012-12-16 11:11:32 AM

BronyMedic: mr_a: Normally I just ignore these morons and hope they go away, but this time I actually hope they show up and get their butts kicked.

So do they. There's a lucrative pay day at stake here, and the coffers are going empty in Westboro!

/yes. let's give the professional lawsuit trolls more of what they want.


I read the other day about a guy who wanted to go to prison for the free healthcare and food. This is obviously a guy with nothing i would like to see a guy like that go out and beat these people to a bloody pulp It's not like he would have anything they couldn sue him for and he would get his wish to be in prison plus he would be a national hero
 
2012-12-16 11:11:48 AM

One good thing emerged from all of this:

i.dailymail.co.uk
DAT ASS!!!


Question -- Can WBC sink lower than this?

Answer -- Yes. They could bring their own Bushmasters to the protest and open fire on the mourners.
 
2012-12-16 11:12:08 AM
Where's a gun-wielding maniac when you actually need one?
 
2012-12-16 11:12:45 AM

BronyMedic: mr_a: Normally I just ignore these morons and hope they go away, but this time I actually hope they show up and get their butts kicked.

So do they. There's a lucrative pay day at stake here, and the coffers are going empty in Westboro!

/yes. let's give the professional lawsuit trolls more of what they want.


If the trial is held in the same county I'd suspect at most they'd win a dollar and a cup of STFU.
 
2012-12-16 11:13:15 AM

DancingElkCondor: Westboro Cult (they are not a Baptist Church) is nothing more than a front group funded by Progressive organizations to make Christians look bad

No real Christian would protest at the funerals of 20 murdered children. Only someone that would support infanticide would even consider such evil

Westboro Cult founder Fred Phelps is buddies with Al Gore, and has contributed to his political campaigns over the years. That is fact. The Phelps Family are DEMOCRATS

The Westboro Cult/Phelps Family are also all Bar Certified lawyers...and stage these protests to lure opponents into lawsuits. They are really no different than the Liberal Democrat Trial Lawyers that are the biggest fund raisers for the DNC

Note also that none of the Gay Rights Group ever protest against Westboro Cult and their anti-homosexual themed protests. There is a reason why the Gay Rights Groups do not protest Westboro...they are both funded by the same Liberals

Of course, your non-three-digit IQ Liberal DoucheCrat will always try to link Westboro Cult with Christian Conservatives...when in fact Westboro is die-hard Liberal


Plonk
 
2012-12-16 11:14:41 AM

Funk Brothers: Here's a tip for the residents of Newtown, just ignore them and don't go and see them protest. They're protected under the 1st Amendment in the case of Snyder v. Phelps.

When the WBC sees people ignoring them and/or not showing up to counter protest, they will probably give up.


you don't have to "go see them", they will be across the street from the funeral services.

They are not going to go away just because people ignore them. That is a rather childish notion.
 
2012-12-16 11:14:48 AM

Theaetetus: elffster:
Anyways, they came here to spew out their derp during the funeral of a solider that died in Iraq or Afghanistan...

I dont think WBC had much time to protest much, since they got the hint quite fast that people were just not happy to see them and they were generally not welcome AT ALL around here.

Where is this place? Brandon, Mississippi. So for everyone that complains about MS (myself included), we did at least manage to get one thing right (for once).

Relevant point... since your state passed a constitutional amendment that is 100% in line with the WBC's beliefs with 86% of your people voting for it. Having your counter-protests only when soldiers or kids are involved doesn't really distinguish you.


Hey I never said this place wasnt filled with idiots. It is. Its a robot factory of massive proportions. Thats why I dont want to be here, lol. I farking hate this place.
 
2012-12-16 11:14:55 AM

nekom: Was the obvious tag out to see a movie or something?


I'd like to think it's shaking its head and saying "Fark this shiat."
 
2012-12-16 11:16:09 AM

elffster: Theaetetus: elffster:
Anyways, they came here to spew out their derp during the funeral of a solider that died in Iraq or Afghanistan...

I dont think WBC had much time to protest much, since they got the hint quite fast that people were just not happy to see them and they were generally not welcome AT ALL around here.

Where is this place? Brandon, Mississippi. So for everyone that complains about MS (myself included), we did at least manage to get one thing right (for once).

Relevant point... since your state passed a constitutional amendment that is 100% in line with the WBC's beliefs with 86% of your people voting for it. Having your counter-protests only when soldiers or kids are involved doesn't really distinguish you.

Hey I never said this place wasnt filled with idiots. It is. Its a robot factory of massive proportions. Thats why I dont want to be here, lol. I farking hate this place.


elffster: Theaetetus: elffster:
Anyways, they came here to spew out their derp during the funeral of a solider that died in Iraq or Afghanistan...

I dont think WBC had much time to protest much, since they got the hint quite fast that people were just not happy to see them and they were generally not welcome AT ALL around here.

Where is this place? Brandon, Mississippi. So for everyone that complains about MS (myself included), we did at least manage to get one thing right (for once).

Relevant point... since your state passed a constitutional amendment that is 100% in line with the WBC's beliefs with 86% of your people voting for it. Having your counter-protests only when soldiers or kids are involved doesn't really distinguish you.

Hey I never said this place wasnt filled with idiots. It is. Its a robot factory of massive proportions. Thats why I dont want to be here, lol. I farking hate this place.


Oh, fair enough. I malign your hypocritical state, not you personally.
 
2012-12-16 11:16:31 AM
I'm waiting for the inevitable family feud and they start protesting each other.
 
2012-12-16 11:16:47 AM

borg: The Phelps family are all lawyers and once upon a time Fred Phelps was a prominent civil rights attorney before being disbarred


No.
 
2012-12-16 11:17:00 AM
You think they wouldn't?!
 
2012-12-16 11:17:02 AM
If somebody is out there thinking about shooting up a school or shopping mall, I have a different target for you to consider.
 
2012-12-16 11:17:07 AM
Is there anyone outside of the WBC who actually supports or agrees with their positions? Anyone? Has any ultra-right wing pundit or politician endorsed one of their viewpoints or used their positions to bolster a point? Do they have any legitimacy whatsoever beyond their own bubble?
 
2012-12-16 11:17:39 AM

monty666: So is this what all Christians are like?


They are what the bible is talking about when the people that "did great works in his name" are sent to hell because (Jesus' words) "I never knew you".
 
2012-12-16 11:17:41 AM
All they want is attention and lawsuits. We need to listen to some important advice from the Simpsons: Just Don't Look
 
2012-12-16 11:18:01 AM

Prey4reign: One good thing emerged from all of this:

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x991]
DAT ASS!!!

Question -- Can WBC sink lower than this?

Answer -- Yes. They could bring their own Bushmasters to the protest and open fire on the mourners.


I'm sorry. Upon review, the caption to the photo should have been DAT'S AN ASS???
 
2012-12-16 11:18:13 AM
I have to wonder if they would still hold firm to their view that God is heaping judgment on others if it was their children who were the victims of a murderous psychopath.
 
2012-12-16 11:19:06 AM

BronyMedic: DancingElkCondor: Westboro Cult founder Fred Phelps is buddies with Al Gore, and has contributed to his political campaigns over the years. That is fact. The Phelps Family are DEMOCRATS

Which has to do with what, exactly? Please. Tell us more.

DancingElkCondor: The Westboro Cult/Phelps Family are also all Bar Certified lawyers...and stage these protests to lure opponents into lawsuits. They are really no different than the Liberal Democrat Trial Lawyers that are the biggest fund raisers for the DNC

Fred Phelps was debarred because of his massive ethics violations in the past, as well as the use of the court to file frivolous lawsuits in hopes of settlement.

DancingElkCondor: Note also that none of the Gay Rights Group ever protest against Westboro Cult and their anti-homosexual themed protests. There is a reason why the Gay Rights Groups do not protest Westboro...they are both funded by the same Liberals

You're trolling here, right? Please, please tell me you're trying to Poe.


Wow. I never thought I'd see, of all things, Westboro Conspiracy Theorists.


And you are one of the morons I was talking about....thank you for proving my points.
 
2012-12-16 11:19:09 AM

Hoban Washburne: Osomatic: There is actually no low to which these people can sink. Because they're not in it for their supposed beliefs, they're in it for a living. They employ full-time lawyers to file applications for demonstrations. Many are denied, and so then they file lawsuits under the first amendment - but of course they will usually settle for some money. This is what these people do. When they actually show up to "protest," they are usually there for about 30 minutes or less and then they get the heck out of there.

Therefore, the VERY best thing that we can all do is allow them to do whatever the hell they want. Let them hold up their signs, and laugh at them. They don't mean it. They've almost never meant it. Let them do their thing and laugh and laugh and laugh at them. But always let them do their thing. Because it is only in not being allowed that they make their dough. They must always be allowed. It is so irriating, I know. But they must always always be allowed.

Because if they have nobody to sue, they will eventually have to go away, because they won't have any money.

Very nice. To put it succinctly, don't give these attention seeking coonts any farking attention.


...I'll say it again. "Ignore it and it goes away" doesn't work. In fact, I'd go farther and say "Ignore it and it goes away" is a chief cause of the very funeral these people are protesting.
 
2012-12-16 11:20:13 AM
Prey4reign
One good thing emerged from all of this:
DAT ASS!!!
Question -- Can WBC sink lower than this?
Answer -- Yes. They could bring their own Bushmasters to the protest and open fire on the mourners.


Per Anonymous, one of them is a fitness trainer.

Link

The ass in question is probably Rachel I. Phelps-Hockenbarger.

/How does a member of the WBC get to be a fitness trainer, probably in the Topeka, KS, YMCA?
 
2012-12-16 11:20:28 AM

Weaver95: are they TRYING to get themselves murdered?

WBC: 'we have rights! we can protest anywhere!'
locals: 'a-yup. say sheriff, why don't you go check out the north forty. I hear martha's out that way with a flat tire.'
sheriff: 'why sure, I'll head on out there for while. might take me all day though, that martha...she's got terrible car troubles.'
WBC: 'um...hey, we' got rights. you have to stay here to protect us!'
sheriff: 'you don't look like your in any danger, right fellas?'
locals: 'oh they're fine. just fine.'
sheriff: 'ok then, see you all tomorrow! [drives off]'
WBC: 'well um...ok then, I guess we'll just be going now...'
locals: 'why don't we help you to the elevator'
WBC: 'hey! we're on the first floor! and we got rights! WE'LL SUE!
locals: 'well you'll try anyways...boys, go pry open them doors on the 10th floor. we'll move 'em up in batches...'
WBC: [screams] *dies*


I like this solution!
 
2012-12-16 11:21:39 AM

chuckufarlie: Funk Brothers: Here's a tip for the residents of Newtown, just ignore them and don't go and see them protest. They're protected under the 1st Amendment in the case of Snyder v. Phelps.

When the WBC sees people ignoring them and/or not showing up to counter protest, they will probably give up.

you don't have to "go see them", they will be across the street from the funeral services.

They are not going to go away just because people ignore them. That is a rather childish notion.


Not as long as they have the Left supporting them and mentioning them in every article. You can tell their fans by the stupid responses to my earlier post.

Westboro are Democrats
 
2012-12-16 11:21:54 AM
No, this is about average for WBC. Stop giving them the attention they so desire.
 
2012-12-16 11:21:57 AM

monty666: So is this what all Christians are like?


yes, most certainly. each and every Christian you every meet will behave exactly this way. why do you ask?
 
2012-12-16 11:22:06 AM

monty666: So is this what all Christians are like?


Nope.
 
2012-12-16 11:22:29 AM

moonscatter: I don't know that the people tomorrow will be able to manage a point and laugh, but I loved the Amazing Grace idea upthread. If I was closer, I would be there singing it.


I'd go with "Sympathy For The Devil."
 
2012-12-16 11:22:56 AM

DancingElkCondor: And you are one of the morons I was talking about....thank you for proving my points.


I'm a moron for pointing out you're either a troll, or an idiotic conspiracy theorists the likes of would make Alex Jones seem sane?

2.bp.blogspot.com

Bravo, dude. You are actually being sincere about what you just said, aren't you? You ACTUALLY think the Westboro Baptist Church is a "librul conspiracy" to make Christians look bad, or actually think that rational people equate a professional religious scam group with Christians as a whole?

Do you have to wear a towel to keep the drool off your clothing?
 
2012-12-16 11:23:30 AM
I think I can say without fear of hyperbole, nothing is off limits for these creatures. They still have much further to fall before one of them asks the others if maybe they're stepping over a line. They're in love with their own message to the point I don't think it occurs to them even for a second that they are the problem. They are utterly without shame. Vanity, thy name is Phelps.
 
2012-12-16 11:24:11 AM
If they do i predict something very bad happening to them FSM willing
 
2012-12-16 11:26:30 AM

DancingElkCondor: Westboro are Democrats


Yes. Phelps has tried to run for Governor 3 times and the senate once. All as a Democrat. Never made it through the primaries though.

What's your point?
 
2012-12-16 11:27:10 AM
Don't know if this information is still current, but here's a dump of a lot of the Phelps' personal emails and phone numbers

http://www.armywtfmoments.com/leaked-wbc-personal-contact-information # .UM31wXy9KSN
 
2012-12-16 11:27:16 AM
They obviously didn't think their plan through.

There's at least a dozen churches, synagogues, etc. in that town. There are twenty-six funerals being planned as we speak. Assuming there are twenty six funerals, and all the possible faiths are represented, that's a long time and area to spread out the work. With that many permits to protest needing to be legally procured (a must on these window-lickers' checklists), that long a time to be in hotels in the area (which aren't that cheap, I've stayed near there before), they're actually going to lose money on this one if no one bites, and I get the distinct feeling no one will. Hell, Newtown PD is probably a weeeee bit busy with an on-going MCE investigation, how are they going to have the time to even clear all these permits in the first place?

I'd also like to believe that some of their members might be driven to crises of faith over protesting first graders, but I doubt it.
 
2012-12-16 11:27:22 AM

WippitGuud: DancingElkCondor: Westboro are Democrats

Yes. Phelps has tried to run for Governor 3 times and the senate once. All as a Democrat. Never made it through the primaries though.

What's your point?


I have a feeling that DancingElkCondor is one of those people who still pretend the Southern Strategy never happened, and that Dixiecrats represent the Democratic platform.
 
2012-12-16 11:29:17 AM
I'd also like to believe that some of their members might be driven to crises of faith over protesting first graders, but I doubt it.

No. I wish you were right, but no. They are unfeeling pieces of shiat.
 
2012-12-16 11:29:27 AM
If we ignore them won't they just go away? If they can't troll they got nothing. Also if people in their state stopped hiring then as lawyers...just saying...
 
2012-12-16 11:29:35 AM

soupafi: If they do i predict something very bad happening to them FSM willing


As one of the Boobiess said. This will indeed be the straw that breaks the camels back.. You can only troll so much before someone trolls you back in a much more vicious manner.
 
2012-12-16 11:30:28 AM

DancingElkCondor: chuckufarlie: Funk Brothers: Here's a tip for the residents of Newtown, just ignore them and don't go and see them protest. They're protected under the 1st Amendment in the case of Snyder v. Phelps.

When the WBC sees people ignoring them and/or not showing up to counter protest, they will probably give up.

you don't have to "go see them", they will be across the street from the funeral services.

They are not going to go away just because people ignore them. That is a rather childish notion.

Not as long as they have the Left supporting them and mentioning them in every article. You can tell their fans by the stupid responses to my earlier post.

Westboro are Democrats


0/10. You went full derp right off the bat. You never go full derp right off the bat.
 
2012-12-16 11:31:52 AM

brap: [i253.photobucket.com image 264x400]



I've hated mimes ever since I was a kid.

/CSB.
 
2012-12-16 11:32:08 AM

DancingElkCondor: chuckufarlie: Funk Brothers: Here's a tip for the residents of Newtown, just ignore them and don't go and see them protest. They're protected under the 1st Amendment in the case of Snyder v. Phelps.

When the WBC sees people ignoring them and/or not showing up to counter protest, they will probably give up.

you don't have to "go see them", they will be across the street from the funeral services.

They are not going to go away just because people ignore them. That is a rather childish notion.

Not as long as they have the Left supporting them and mentioning them in every article. You can tell their fans by the stupid responses to my earlier post.

Westboro are Democrats


What if I granted that this was true. Elder Phelps checked a box marked "D" once. Maybe even gave money to Al Gore (who can imagine why, or even try to figure out the motives of a madman). Can't you see every single democrat trying to push this group away at Ludicrous Speed? At least Democrats ostracize their extremists.
 
Skr
2012-12-16 11:33:28 AM
Meh. Someone should hold a symbolic funeral for the WBC gang, they're obviously dead inside already.
 
2012-12-16 11:35:37 AM
Anybody have odds on something happening if they do protest? Sadly I don't think anything will happen.
 
2012-12-16 11:36:02 AM

DancingElkCondor: Westboro are Democrats


As is 9/10ths of the people in this thread, ALL of whom are expressing disgust with the WBC. You have no point.
 
2012-12-16 11:36:48 AM

BronyMedic: So is this the thread where we vent righteous indignation against lawsuit trolls, and pretend like these douchebags actually matter instead of just doing what we should be doing, and not giving them ANY attention, media or otherwise?

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 478x358]

THESE PEOPLE ARE A PROFESSIONAL SCAM. NOTHING ELSE.


table 5 table 5
 
2012-12-16 11:37:57 AM

Brick-House: Why couldn't Adam Lanza have gone and killed all the Westboro Baptist Church ass wipes? He would have been hailed a hero and had a national holiday named after him.


So that's his name. Up until this moment I'd done a really good job of not learning it.

Thanks
 
2012-12-16 11:38:00 AM
WBC... great.

and the anti-gun people say there are no valid reasons to own a gun....
 
2012-12-16 11:38:20 AM
Hello? It's a PRAISE GATHERING. How could anything sound more joyous?
 
2012-12-16 11:38:21 AM

DancingElkCondor: chuckufarlie: Funk Brothers: Here's a tip for the residents of Newtown, just ignore them and don't go and see them protest. They're protected under the 1st Amendment in the case of Snyder v. Phelps.

When the WBC sees people ignoring them and/or not showing up to counter protest, they will probably give up.

you don't have to "go see them", they will be across the street from the funeral services.

They are not going to go away just because people ignore them. That is a rather childish notion.

Not as long as they have the Left supporting them and mentioning them in every article. You can tell their fans by the stupid responses to my earlier post.

Westboro are Democrats


You are an idiot.
 
2012-12-16 11:38:59 AM

diaphoresis: WBC... great.

and the anti-gun people say there are no valid reasons to own a gun....


Please, please don't be that guy.
 
2012-12-16 11:39:09 AM
www.fybertech.com


Plan and simple.
 
2012-12-16 11:40:54 AM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: DancingElkCondor: Westboro are Democrats

As is 9/10ths of the people in this thread, ALL of whom are expressing disgust with the WBC. You have no point.


Woo hooo! Ten per enters unite! As a Christian, I hope that these people go away. Find a way to contribute positively in the community and stop this hypocrisy. Do unto others.

/assuming that the WBC represents Christianity is as ignorant as saying every Muslim is a terrorist.
//my heart aches for those 26 families.
 
2012-12-16 11:44:03 AM
Thread jack.

When I was watching on Friday, they arrested a man in the woods wearing a bullet proof vest and camaflouge. What ever happened to him?
 
2012-12-16 11:45:35 AM
I don't agree with the "just ignore them" approach. Think about it this way -- many of the problems we are facing in this country is because we ignore it or look the other way. What's the general reason kids are shooting up schools the past 10 years? Society is ignoring them and their nutty ways. Even when someone thinks there might be a problem its hard to act because we are so worried about "offending" someone.

We have become SO damn politically correct and soft that we don't want to take care of problems as they present themselves.

If the underlying issue with WBC is that they are just in it for the money -- solve their abuse of the system by not allowing them to exploit people or tax dollers on inciting hate. Anyone with any common sense would tell you that a group that wants to protest after 20something children died... is a group that deserves *whatever* they get in terms of street justice.

Had I been a parent and lost a child -- I'd be in such a messed up mental state that if this group showed up a my childs funeral... I more than likely would blow them away. (put yourself in a parents shoes, if you've already lost everything thats important to you, what does it matter anymore?)

lately the US has a great track record of ignoring problems: the national debt, our utility infrastructure, immigration, health care, education, our jumbled/clogged/corrupt legal system, hell even our patent system is broken.

I do agree with a few here -- instead of shooting up a school or a hospital, why doesn't one of these nuts shoot up WBC? I'm not advocating violence at all but if it "HAD" to happen, why shouldn't it happen to people that deserve it?

Laws (and their level of enforcement) will come and go - but there is always a given social contract in any society. If you violate that social contract you should be dealt with, swiftly and harshly . There is already too much pain and death in this country but sometimes that's the only thing capable of getting the message through to sick twisted people like WBC.
 
2012-12-16 11:45:38 AM

DancingElkCondor: chuckufarlie: Funk Brothers: Here's a tip for the residents of Newtown, just ignore them and don't go and see them protest. They're protected under the 1st Amendment in the case of Snyder v. Phelps.

When the WBC sees people ignoring them and/or not showing up to counter protest, they will probably give up.

you don't have to "go see them", they will be across the street from the funeral services.

They are not going to go away just because people ignore them. That is a rather childish notion.

Not as long as they have the Left supporting them and mentioning them in every article. You can tell their fans by the stupid responses to my earlier post.

Westboro are Democrats


I see you are in Florida, DancingElk. Well, that just about says it all. You are excused from class now.
 
2012-12-16 11:46:09 AM

Osomatic: Because if they have nobody to sue, they will eventually have to go away, because they won't have any money.


They'll have money. They don't survive on lawsuits alone.

They don't even have to leave Kansas any more to get the publicity. This is all to get some poor deluded morons to cut them checks so that they can continue their trolling...and everybody else plays right into their hands.

And on an even more cynical level, the media farking LOVES these people because they're a readymade news story for the key simpleton demographic.
 
2012-12-16 11:46:33 AM

IlGreven: ...I'll say it again. "Ignore it and it goes away" doesn't work. In fact, I'd go farther and say "Ignore it and it goes away" is a chief cause of the very funeral these people are protesting.


Dude, say it all you want... they're going to ignore you until you go away.
 
2012-12-16 11:46:37 AM
"Free baseball bats, come get your free baseball bats."
 
2012-12-16 11:47:24 AM
Paging Frank and Roxy to Newtown, Connecticut

bucketreviews.com
 
2012-12-16 11:47:37 AM

elffster: I'd also like to believe that some of their members might be driven to crises of faith over protesting first graders, but I doubt it.

No. I wish you were right, but no. They are unfeeling pieces of shiat.


Wish I were right too. But then again, I read the article about the Phelps kid who quit the clan.
 
2012-12-16 11:47:51 AM
Nothing good will come of this. Someone filled with grief is going to become unhinged. That is exactly what WBC wants so they can sue.
 
2012-12-16 11:49:14 AM
I almost never advocate violence....
 
2012-12-16 11:51:24 AM
Just had a random thought that I'd like to throw out there to see if I'm right....

What would happen if Obama suddenly decided he was going to all the funerals, and that there had to be Secret Service protection for all of them? Would that-group-whose-name-I-don't-speak back up or be utterly stupid enough to try and stand their ground against them?

Now THAT would be a popcorn moment.
 
2012-12-16 11:52:57 AM

DancingElkCondor: Westboro Cult...[WHARRGARBL]...is die-hard Liberal


[citation needed]
 
2012-12-16 11:53:12 AM
The first amendment doesn't make you bullet proof, and eventually one of them is going to get shot.
So, they'll sue. Big deal.
I'm willing to chip in on the settlement.
 
2012-12-16 11:53:33 AM
 
2012-12-16 11:54:31 AM
Admins who green WBC submissions are worse than the WBC.

Stop giving these ignorant farksticks a platform. It has been obvious for years now that they exist solely to generate frivolous lawsuits by threatening outrageous acts, getting barred and then suing. Stop helping them with free advertising you shiat-for-brains
 
2012-12-16 11:54:34 AM
Hello Supreme Court? THEY AREN'T EVEN A REAL CHURCH! It's just some nutty meth addled lawyer, some of his dependants and in laws. Shut this farker down.
 
2012-12-16 11:56:29 AM
Isn't it kind of ironic that we despise and revile these attention whores for forcing their socially unacceptable views onto wider society, but at the same time we can't accept the need to start a dialogue about avoiding these completely avoidable tragedies without being branded either a "Gun Nut" or a "Liberal gun hater". I don't see that the bipolar hatred for each position on guns is any better than the WBC spewing hate wherever they show up.

/Only in America
 
2012-12-16 11:56:40 AM
smeegle
Nothing good will come of this. Someone filled with grief is going to become unhinged. That is exactly what WBC wants so they can sue.


This is what confuses me about the WBC. I think most people reasonable here would not side with the WBC if put on a jury. How does the WBC leverage the legal system to make the scam work?
 
2012-12-16 11:57:21 AM

BronyMedic: diaphoresis: WBC... great.

and the anti-gun people say there are no valid reasons to own a gun....

Please, please don't be that guy gal.


FTFM
 
2012-12-16 11:57:36 AM
And how are they any different than Huckabee or Fischer? I suppose they gloat more and are openly gleeful about the children's deaths. But the basic message is the same: God did this because America is godless.
 
2012-12-16 11:58:14 AM

solitary: Hello Supreme Court? THEY AREN'T EVEN A REAL CHURCH! It's just some nutty meth addled lawyer, some of his dependants and in laws. Shut this farker down.


But first, surround it with gay bars, casinos, strip joints, beer distributors, a marijuana dispensary and an adult bookstore.
 
2012-12-16 11:58:45 AM
I'm not worried. I know plenty of, uh, alternative social clubs in Connecticut that will certainly make sure they don't come anywhere close to that funeral.

The midwest may have Hell's Angels... we have that and then some.
 
2012-12-16 11:58:57 AM
This just has to be Bull Shait, even they wouldn't sink that low.
 
2012-12-16 11:59:56 AM
All these shootings lately, and no one picked the WBC as a target? I'd love to seem them picket a funeral if it was their own who got shot. Which gets me thinking, can you imagine what kind of protest there will be when Fred Phelps dies? Say what you will about "stooping to their level" I know I'll be there with my "FRED IS DEAD" sign. Hope they bury him so I can shiat on his grave.
 
2012-12-16 12:00:09 PM

Enemabag Jones: smeegle
Nothing good will come of this. Someone filled with grief is going to become unhinged. That is exactly what WBC wants so they can sue.

This is what confuses me about the WBC. I think most people reasonable here would not side with the WBC if put on a jury. How does the WBC leverage the legal system to make the scam work?


Lawyers. No ethics. Twist facts to suit their case.

/Why do you think so many bad people go free?
 
2012-12-16 12:00:34 PM

solitary: Hello Supreme Court? THEY AREN'T EVEN A REAL CHURCH! It's just some nutty meth addled lawyer, some of his dependants and in laws. Shut this farker down.


So, you think the Supreme Court should be allowed to judge which religions are sufficiently "real"?
 
2012-12-16 12:02:12 PM

Enemabag Jones: smeegle
Nothing good will come of this. Someone filled with grief is going to become unhinged. That is exactly what WBC wants so they can sue.

This is what confuses me about the WBC. I think most people reasonable here would not side with the WBC if put on a jury. How does the WBC leverage the legal system to make the scam work?


If the jury is forced to go by the letter of the Law WBC will usually win. Anymore though, it's going tougher and tougher for them to pull it off. This will be as earlier stated, and I agree, the final straw.
 
2012-12-16 12:02:12 PM

cig-mkr: This just has to be Bull Shait, even they wouldn't sink that low.


I'd say they hit rock bottom many years ago when they picketed Matthew Shepard's funeral. Nothing is beyond a group that would do that.
 
2012-12-16 12:03:03 PM

Enemabag Jones: smeegle
Nothing good will come of this. Someone filled with grief is going to become unhinged. That is exactly what WBC wants so they can sue.

This is what confuses me about the WBC. I think most people reasonable here would not side with the WBC if put on a jury. How does the WBC leverage the legal system to make the scam work?


Civil trials rather than criminal. If you punch them, you probably won't go to jail for assault, but they'll sue you for the damages. And before you say jury nullification, that doesn't work in civil trials - the judge can make a finding of liability regardless of the jury's decision if he or she feels it's unreasonable.
 
2012-12-16 12:03:38 PM

Theaetetus: solitary: Hello Supreme Court? THEY AREN'T EVEN A REAL CHURCH! It's just some nutty meth addled lawyer, some of his dependants and in laws. Shut this farker down.

So, you think the Supreme Court should be allowed to judge which religions are sufficiently "real"?


Atheism is a soft religion...
 
2012-12-16 12:03:50 PM
Just looked it up, didn't see any "credible" news papers with the story.
/anyone?
 
2012-12-16 12:04:03 PM
We need to find something for them to protest near a pool table in Skidmore, Missouri so they can get the Ken McElroy treatment.
 
2012-12-16 12:04:43 PM

diaphoresis: Enemabag Jones: smeegle
Nothing good will come of this. Someone filled with grief is going to become unhinged. That is exactly what WBC wants so they can sue.

This is what confuses me about the WBC. I think most people reasonable here would not side with the WBC if put on a jury. How does the WBC leverage the legal system to make the scam work?

Lawyers. No ethics. Twist facts to suit their case.

/Why do you think so many bad people go free?


There are some, WBC for instance, that know how to use the law to their own sick and twisted advantage.
I think these antics from them are going to catch up with them in the long run.
 
2012-12-16 12:05:17 PM

Theaetetus: Enemabag Jones: smeegle
Nothing good will come of this. Someone filled with grief is going to become unhinged. That is exactly what WBC wants so they can sue.

This is what confuses me about the WBC. I think most people reasonable here would not side with the WBC if put on a jury. How does the WBC leverage the legal system to make the scam work?

Civil trials rather than criminal. If you punch them, you probably won't go to jail for assault, but they'll sue you for the damages. And before you say jury nullification, that doesn't work in civil trials - the judge can make a finding of liability regardless of the jury's decision if he or she feels it's unreasonable.


I think any parent of a dead child would easily be able to claim temporary insanity, in a civil or criminal trial. And any judge or jury would pretend to believe them.
 
2012-12-16 12:05:22 PM

Theaetetus: So, you think the Supreme Court should be allowed to judge which religions are sufficiently "real"?


I do. In fact they should have to rule on all of them. And they should find all of them a group of fear-mongering assholes and shut them all down.
The whole lot of them.
You want to do good for you fellow man? Fine, do it without an invisible sky wizard.
Don't act like a schizophrenic and you might get more respect. Talking to and listening to invisible entities is what people who are FARKED IN THE HEAD DO!
 
2012-12-16 12:05:55 PM

Great_Milenko: Is there anyone outside of the WBC who actually supports or agrees with their positions? Anyone? Has any ultra-right wing pundit or politician endorsed one of their viewpoints or used their positions to bolster a point? Do they have any legitimacy whatsoever beyond their own bubble?


Publicly? No but I am sure there are a lot of Luke minded politicians that are smart enough to hold their tongues if they want to continue being in public office.
 
2012-12-16 12:06:49 PM

smeegle: diaphoresis: Enemabag Jones: smeegle
Nothing good will come of this. Someone filled with grief is going to become unhinged. That is exactly what WBC wants so they can sue.

This is what confuses me about the WBC. I think most people reasonable here would not side with the WBC if put on a jury. How does the WBC leverage the legal system to make the scam work?

Lawyers. No ethics. Twist facts to suit their case.

/Why do you think so many bad people go free?

There are some, WBC for instance, that know how to use the law to their own sick and twisted advantage.
I think these antics from them are going to catch up with them in the long run.


I have a theory about that: evil despicable people live longer and never get what's coming to them. Farkers will live longer than most, I would think.. ;-)
 
2012-12-16 12:07:09 PM

dramboxf: Isn't that the case here? Can't WBC be nailed for hate speech?


This has probably been posted already, so my apologies if it's a repeat:

Petition to Legally recognize WBC as a hate group
 
2012-12-16 12:07:19 PM

Theaetetus: solitary: Hello Supreme Court? THEY AREN'T EVEN A REAL CHURCH! It's just some nutty meth addled lawyer, some of his dependants and in laws. Shut this farker down.

So, you think the Supreme Court should be allowed to judge which religions are sufficiently "real"?


Not religion, church. And they already do, through the Tax Code. And the WBC is quite clearly a church under the Tax Code, because that's exactly what it's designed to be.
 
2012-12-16 12:07:58 PM

Theaetetus: Enemabag Jones: smeegle
Nothing good will come of this. Someone filled with grief is going to become unhinged. That is exactly what WBC wants so they can sue.

This is what confuses me about the WBC. I think most people reasonable here would not side with the WBC if put on a jury. How does the WBC leverage the legal system to make the scam work?

Civil trials rather than criminal. If you punch them, you probably won't go to jail for assault, but they'll sue you for the damages. And before you say jury nullification, that doesn't work in civil trials - the judge can make a finding of liability regardless of the jury's decision if he or she feels it's unreasonable.


That's right. I'm no lawyer but I think what you say makes sense. People will often settle out of court too. It seems to me though, that there has to be a line drawn similar to the yelling Fire in a theatre concept.
 
2012-12-16 12:08:00 PM

Devolving_Spud: dramboxf: Isn't that the case here? Can't WBC be nailed for hate speech?

This has probably been posted already, so my apologies if it's a repeat:

Petition to Legally recognize WBC as a hate group


They are all hate groups.
 
2012-12-16 12:08:14 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Admins who green WBC submissions are worse than the WBC.


Like a zillionty times worse. amirite?
 
2012-12-16 12:09:20 PM

Devolving_Spud: dramboxf: Isn't that the case here? Can't WBC be nailed for hate speech?

This has probably been posted already, so my apologies if it's a repeat:

Petition to Legally recognize WBC as a hate group


FINALLY! A petition that makes sense.. I'm signing it.
 
2012-12-16 12:09:36 PM

diaphoresis: smeegle: diaphoresis: Enemabag Jones: smeegle
Nothing good will come of this. Someone filled with grief is going to become unhinged. That is exactly what WBC wants so they can sue.

This is what confuses me about the WBC. I think most people reasonable here would not side with the WBC if put on a jury. How does the WBC leverage the legal system to make the scam work?

Lawyers. No ethics. Twist facts to suit their case.

/Why do you think so many bad people go free?

There are some, WBC for instance, that know how to use the law to their own sick and twisted advantage.
I think these antics from them are going to catch up with them in the long run.

I have a theory about that: evil despicable people live longer and never get what's coming to them. Farkers will live longer than most, I would think.. ;-)


LOL, could be. We think they never get what's coming to them but I believe they do. You cannot escape your karma.
 
2012-12-16 12:09:56 PM

titwrench: Great_Milenko: Is there anyone outside of the WBC who actually supports or agrees with their positions? Anyone? Has any ultra-right wing pundit or politician endorsed one of their viewpoints or used their positions to bolster a point? Do they have any legitimacy whatsoever beyond their own bubble?

Publicly? No but I am sure there are a lot of Luke minded politicians that are smart enough to hold their tongues if they want to continue being in public office.


*like minded. God damn it.
 
2012-12-16 12:12:41 PM
well all those that feel this tragedy happened because god isn't allowed in schools should join them.
 
2012-12-16 12:13:08 PM

brap: Ignored "brap". If you want to completely hide ignored user comments, change the "Show header of ignored comments" option in your user profile.


cute - and there's your sign you horses ass
 
2012-12-16 12:14:18 PM
So let me get this straight. Professed Christians claiming that God didn't stop the massacre because we took prayer out of public school (Huckabee, American Family Association etc...) are good God fearing Christians pointing out that a lack of religion is to blame and trying to help and improve this country by trying to create an official state backed religion. Westboro Baptist Church are evil cultists to be despised for pointing out that a lack of religion is to blame and trying to help and improve this country by trying to create an official state backed religion.

Officially their stated end goal is the same and they should be working together.
 
2012-12-16 12:14:24 PM

monty666: So is this what all Christians are like?


Let's not generalize, because there are things that can be said about "all liberals."

So, don't go there, k?
 
2012-12-16 12:14:32 PM

trappedspirit: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Admins who green WBC submissions are worse than the WBC.

Like a zillionty times worse. amirite?


I wouldn't go that far. Maybe a brazillion.
 
2012-12-16 12:15:38 PM
I'm waiting for the day when a crazed gunman rushes into Westboro Baptist "Church" in Topeka and massacres their members, instead of another school full of innocent children and teachers.
 
2012-12-16 12:15:44 PM

mr_a: Normally I just ignore these morons and hope they go away, but this time I actually hope they show up and get their butts kicked. shot and killed.


FTFM
 
2012-12-16 12:16:04 PM
Why can't the cops start finding drugs on THESE ASSHOLES.
 
2012-12-16 12:17:53 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: trappedspirit: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Admins who green WBC submissions are worse than the WBC.

Like a zillionty times worse. amirite?

I wouldn't go that far. Maybe a brazillion.


Challenge Accepted:
static.ddmcdn.com
 
2012-12-16 12:17:55 PM
Fred Phelps has the distinction of being an ugly blemish on the face of humanity. Claiming to be speaking for God and then saying and doing outlandish crap, is a sign of mental instability.
He and his followers and family are completely off their nut to think that what they doing is reasonable. That includes litigating. Ill gotten gains for truly ill people.
 
2012-12-16 12:19:07 PM

MacEnvy: Inquisition


============================

You are brainwashed, not all Christians are evil, some dedicate their lives to good, some build hospitals, some feed the hungry, and some provide medicine to those in need. I drive down the road and see HUGE Christian hospitals with thousands and thousands of people working them.

All i see Liberals build are little Clinics where two go in and one comes out and thanks to Obamacare I get to help pay for that.

As far as the Westboro Baptist Church goes these are insane people that found a way to abuse the First Amendment. I just wish all of their mothers would have visited one of your clinics years ago.
 
2012-12-16 12:19:34 PM
I'd be willing to pony up some money for an organization that would follow them around and set up acoustic shells (like the kind they use in the back of college stages to project the sound from the back) in front of them wherever they protested. Less people have to listen to them, and maybe hearing their own voices will make them realize something.

/Probably not.
//Assuming they'd have a certain spot they would be allowed to protest from, nobody would have to look at them, either.
 
2012-12-16 12:20:48 PM
To all the would be shooters out there, you won't be thought of as such an asshole if they were your target. Sure you are still an asshole, but people would be less likely to want your head on a stick in their front yard.
 
2012-12-16 12:21:31 PM

bluenovaman: To all the would be shooters out there, you won't be thought of as such an asshole if they were your target. Sure you are still an asshole, but people would be less likely to want your head on a stick in their front yard.


Clearly I remember pickin' on the boy. Seemed a harmless little fark.
 
2012-12-16 12:22:22 PM

eddiesocket: Theaetetus: Enemabag Jones: smeegle
Nothing good will come of this. Someone filled with grief is going to become unhinged. That is exactly what WBC wants so they can sue.

This is what confuses me about the WBC. I think most people reasonable here would not side with the WBC if put on a jury. How does the WBC leverage the legal system to make the scam work?

Civil trials rather than criminal. If you punch them, you probably won't go to jail for assault, but they'll sue you for the damages. And before you say jury nullification, that doesn't work in civil trials - the judge can make a finding of liability regardless of the jury's decision if he or she feels it's unreasonable.

I think any parent of a dead child would easily be able to claim temporary insanity, in a civil or criminal trial. And any judge or jury would pretend to believe them.


Relying on an insanity defense is a good way to end up locked up in an asylum for the rest of your life. It's why, outside of movies and television, it's really only used when facing the death penalty or life in prison.
 
2012-12-16 12:23:50 PM

Marcintosh: brap: Ignored "brap". If you want to completely hide ignored user comments, change the "Show header of ignored comments" option in your user profile.

cute - and there's your sign you horses ass


Um, er, come back to me Fred, I can change?
 
2012-12-16 12:24:16 PM

clane: All i see Liberals build are little Clinics where two go in and one comes out and thanks to Obamacare I get to help pay for that.


So we liberals build Thunderdomes?

I neer knew that. Cool.

Plonk.
 
2012-12-16 12:26:22 PM
I wish I hadn't read this. If we were to commit to never covering or bringing attention to these people, they would wither and at least remain out of sight, out of mind.

That being said, I cannot now unread this. If someone actually seriously injures or kills one of these people during a protest (not one of the children!), I will not be surprised or particularly sad.
 
2012-12-16 12:26:34 PM

clane: You are brainwashed, not all Christians are evil, some dedicate their lives to good, some build hospitals, some feed the hungry, and some provide medicine to those in need. I drive down the road and see HUGE Christian hospitals with thousands and thousands of people working them.

All i see Liberals build are little Clinics where two go in and one comes out and thanks to Obamacare I get to help pay for that.

As far as the Westboro Baptist Church goes these are insane people that found a way to abuse the First Amendment. I just wish all of their mothers would have visited one of your clinics years ago.


WOW. That is powerful punditry.

Oh, you mean those clinics which provide free-of-cost reproductive healthcare, STD treatment, and safe sex education and protection measures to prevent abortions in the first place to people who otherwise couldn't afford to be treated, and who's patient population makes up 90+% Of their visits, with only a small fraction requesting abortive services?

Or the fact that far more abortions occur at private, unaffiliated clinics in the United States than Planned Parenthood?

i306.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-16 12:29:12 PM
The massacre, WBC protests...it's all part of God's plan. God works in mysterious ways.

Just more proof that God is an asshole.
 
2012-12-16 12:29:41 PM

monty666: So is this what all Christians are like?


No, this is:
Teacher Victoria Soto used her body to shield her students from the maniacal gunman who launched a massacre at a Connecticut school, relatives said Saturday.

Soto paid for her bravery with her life. But in doing so, the 27-year-old may have saved her first-graders from the murderous wrath of Adam Lanza - and became a hero.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/newtown-teacher-vicki-soto-re membered-article-1.1221004#ixzz2FEkWAAtr
 
2012-12-16 12:29:45 PM

red230: So let me get this straight. Professed Christians claiming that God didn't stop the massacre because we took prayer out of public school (Huckabee, American Family Association etc...) are good God fearing Christians pointing out that a lack of religion is to blame and trying to help and improve this country by trying to create an official state backed religion. Westboro Baptist Church are evil cultists to be despised for pointing out that a lack of religion is to blame and trying to help and improve this country by trying to create an official state backed religion.

Officially their stated end goal is the same and they should be working together.


Exactly. We as a society should shun Huckabee and Fischer just as we do the WBC.
 
2012-12-16 12:30:11 PM

buntz: I didn't even read the article, but can someone explain to me what they are protesting, exactly?


Their public statement is tragedies like this happen because God is angry that America isn't rounding up and prosecuting gays but as has already been well covered it's just a thinly veiled excuse. They are intentionally as offensive as possible to get local Govts and individuals to violate their rights so they can sue. They can't be argued or reasoned with precisely because they don't actually believe in their own garbage.

the labeling of them as real life trolls isn't an exaggeration.
 
2012-12-16 12:34:10 PM
That's one massacre I would actually celebrate.
 
2012-12-16 12:35:11 PM
Sink any lower? Satan's been filing noise complaints with his HOA about the racket the Phelpses keep making from underneath Hell.

You'd think that the media would just STOP ENCOURAGING THEM, but fat chance of that.
 
2012-12-16 12:36:32 PM

borg: This will be the straw that breaks the camel's back


How come from all of the "Old codger plowing through a crowd in his Buick LeSabre" stories you hear, it never, EVER happens near a WBC gathering.

Why god, WHY???
 
2012-12-16 12:36:43 PM

retarded: Finally, Huckabee gets what he wants. Now that they're bringing God to Sandy Hook, he'll protect them from further tragedy.


Mike Huckabee and the WBC should join forces and form ULTIMATE COCKJUGGLING THUNDERcoont VOLTRON.
 
2012-12-16 12:37:09 PM
Not many minded when they picketed homosexuality. Some did mind when they picketed soldier deaths. Everyone minds when they picket dead children.

First they came for the communists.........
 
2012-12-16 12:37:09 PM

Theaetetus: eddiesocket: Theaetetus: Enemabag Jones: smeegle
Nothing good will come of this. Someone filled with grief is going to become unhinged. That is exactly what WBC wants so they can sue.

This is what confuses me about the WBC. I think most people reasonable here would not side with the WBC if put on a jury. How does the WBC leverage the legal system to make the scam work?

Civil trials rather than criminal. If you punch them, you probably won't go to jail for assault, but they'll sue you for the damages. And before you say jury nullification, that doesn't work in civil trials - the judge can make a finding of liability regardless of the jury's decision if he or she feels it's unreasonable.

I think any parent of a dead child would easily be able to claim temporary insanity, in a civil or criminal trial. And any judge or jury would pretend to believe them.

Relying on an insanity defense is a good way to end up locked up in an asylum for the rest of your life. It's why, outside of movies and television, it's really only used when facing the death penalty or life in prison.


Dude, stop bloviating. We both know there would be no legal repercussions for any parent drop kicking a Phelps in the nuts.
 
2012-12-16 12:37:19 PM
Let's drop them on Iran from 37,000 ft.

/I know, I know that would be an act of war.
// I swear I thought they could fly.
 
2012-12-16 12:37:25 PM

clane: MacEnvy: Inquisition

============================

You are brainwashed, not all Christians are evil, some dedicate their lives to good, some build hospitals, some feed the hungry, and some provide medicine to those in need. I drive down the road and see HUGE Christian hospitals with thousands and thousands of people working them.

All i see Liberals build are little Clinics where two go in and one comes out and thanks to Obamacare I get to help pay for that.

As far as the Westboro Baptist Church goes these are insane people that found a way to abuse the First Amendment. I just wish all of their mothers would have visited one of your clinics years ago.


Jesus guys, when do we get that "Potato" voting button?
 
2012-12-16 12:37:31 PM
How is it the Bush administration was so good at setting up free speech zones to keep protesters away from the president and thus the media seeing them, but we can't find a way to keep these nuts away from a funeral?

Seems pretty simple. Setup a cage way off to the side out of earshot and sight, put them there. Why are they the exception?
 
2012-12-16 12:38:18 PM

Theaetetus: Enemabag Jones: smeegle
Nothing good will come of this. Someone filled with grief is going to become unhinged. That is exactly what WBC wants so they can sue.

This is what confuses me about the WBC. I think most people reasonable here would not side with the WBC if put on a jury. How does the WBC leverage the legal system to make the scam work?

Civil trials rather than criminal. If you punch them, you probably won't go to jail for assault, but they'll sue you for the damages. And before you say jury nullification, that doesn't work in civil trials - the judge can make a finding of liability regardless of the jury's decision if he or she feels it's unreasonable.


Which is why you don't punch them. If they were really a nuisance they'd be dead already. If anyone was really that torqued off over a bunch of idiots being stupid, 4 or 5 well trained ex-military would have stormed their compound and slaughtered them. Took nearly 20 minutes for police response to something the care about - I'm sure they'll bust their butt to get over to some people who make their lives miserable. Might be the next morning before anyone does a "drive by" to see if anything's wrong. "Seriously captain, the gate was closed like normal and I didn't see any smoke - you know they don't have a buzzer on the gate".

The best approach is withdraw attention and money from them. Once the train of suit settlement money goes negative (ie. they get shot down on all filings, and now they're in the hole) they'll stop and move on to something that is maybe economically positive.
 
2012-12-16 12:41:32 PM

bluenovaman: To all the would be shooters out there, you won't be thought of as such an asshole if they were your target. Sure you are still an asshole, but people would be less likely to want your head on a stick in their front yard.


Nobody ever goes for the civillian scum of the country. Thats the problem with American Psychotics, they lack proper focus.
 
2012-12-16 12:42:50 PM

fusillade762: dramboxf: I thought I remembered that back in the 80s, one of the white supremacist groups that were preaching about killing non-whites got slammed with a hate-speech charge. They claimed religious freedom but the courts said, nah -- hating for hate's sake isn't religion.

Isn't that the case here? Can't WBC be nailed for hate speech?

I don't think they're explicitly advocating killing anyone. Pretty sure they know where the "Fire in a crowded theater" line is by now.


Yep, they are a bunch of lawyers (not unlike our elected officials), not a real church.
 
2012-12-16 12:42:59 PM

I'm an excellent driver: Isn't it kind of ironic that we despise and revile these attention whores for forcing their socially unacceptable views onto wider society, but at the same time we can't accept the need to start a dialogue about avoiding these completely avoidable tragedies without being branded either a "Gun Nut" or a "Liberal gun hater". I don't see that the bipolar hatred for each position on guns is any better than the WBC spewing hate wherever they show up.

/Only in America


We can't accept the need to start a *reasonable* dialogue because there are few if any *reasonable* people in positions of authority any longer. We have become a nation of black or white, left or right, liberal or conservative, right to life or right to choose, gun lovers or gun haters. We don't really have any choices any more about who we put into power or who assumes control because no reasonable people want to be put into those positions and have their lives dissected for the world to see. Few are willing to be reasonable because they have been told they can have it their way and it's their right to get what they want... so many have bought into that 'my way or the highway' philosophy, and the media feeds it completely.

That's just one man's opinion, of course. Let's see if we can have reasonable discssion about it. I'm betting we can't.
 
2012-12-16 12:43:17 PM

red230: So let me get this straight. Professed Christians claiming that God didn't stop the massacre because we took prayer out of public school (Huckabee, American Family Association etc...) are good God fearing Christians pointing out that a lack of religion is to blame and trying to help and improve this country by trying to create an official state backed religion. Westboro Baptist Church are evil cultists to be despised for pointing out that a lack of religion is to blame and trying to help and improve this country by trying to create an official state backed religion.

Officially their stated end goal is the same and they should be working together.


Hey, maybe Mike Huckabee and the head of the AFA will do a special guest appearence at the protest.
 
2012-12-16 12:43:56 PM
I'm not advocating violence, but if someone happened to off those assholes, I'd buy him a beer. Again, I'm not a fan of malicious actions leading to the death of people, but I certainly wouldn't mind the chance to dance a mighty jig on their graves. And please don't mistake what I say... I'm not condoning that someone permanently end these trolls in such a way that, providing no one else got hurt, it entailed such an explosion that Michael Bay himself would shiat himself with jealousy, but if that was to happen, I would gladly name my firstborn after that person.
 
2012-12-16 12:44:47 PM

TV's Vinnie: borg: This will be the straw that breaks the camel's back

How come from all of the "Old codger plowing through a crowd in his Buick LeSabre" stories you hear, it never, EVER happens near a WBC gathering.

Why god, WHY???


You're asking the wrong entity.... >:-)
 
2012-12-16 12:46:38 PM
Stop giving those assholes attention. They want attention. Just ignore them.
 
2012-12-16 12:48:14 PM
I can't wait for the day when Fred Phelps dies, preferably in a compromising position in a seedy hotel with an underage male prostitute.
I plan to make a fortune selling "GOD HATES FRED PHELPS" signs.
There's no way the WPC will reveal when/where his funeral will be held... there would be way to big a risk of massive flooding from the millions of people that will take great pleasure pissing on his grave.
So people are going to have to buy these signs and post them EVERYWHERE!
 
2012-12-16 12:49:51 PM
All the parents of the children killed at that school need to sure the Westboro A-holes for pain and suffering, perhaps $100 million would cover it.
 
2012-12-16 12:50:46 PM

machoprogrammer: Stop giving those assholes attention. They want attention. Just ignore them.


Ignoring hate doesn't work and you know it.

They know how much they are hated, which is why they bring children to such gatherings. Without children there, they wouldn't last 2 mins.

/Cowards.. each and every one.
//Setting off C-4 charges around their necks is too pleasant for them
 
2012-12-16 12:53:14 PM
Proving that once again. Humanity = Sh*t
 
2012-12-16 12:53:14 PM

Professor Duck: I'd be willing to pony up some money for an organization that would follow them around and set up acoustic shells (like the kind they use in the back of college stages to project the sound from the back) in front of them wherever they protested. Less people have to listen to them, and maybe hearing their own voices will make them realize something.


I had to think about it, at first I thought you meant "acoustic shells" like heavy artillery blanks. Which is not a bad idea either, although they wouldn't hear their own voices then.

/or anything else
//ever
 
2012-12-16 12:54:48 PM
Bastards. I hope this guy shows up... 
arrowheadequipment.webs.com
 
2012-12-16 12:55:44 PM

The Southern Dandy: The massacre, WBC protests...it's all part of God's plan. God works in mysterious ways.

Just more proof that God is an asshole.


Or maybe we're all assholes, and God is looking for someone who isn't.
 
2012-12-16 12:56:49 PM

indarwinsshadow: Proving that once again. Humanity = Sh*t


Blame God. I do.
 
2012-12-16 12:59:05 PM

WippitGuud: The Southern Dandy: The massacre, WBC protests...it's all part of God's plan. God works in mysterious ways.

Just more proof that God is an asshole.

Or maybe we're all assholes, and God is looking for someone who isn't.


So he kills children (or stands by and let's it happen), and then has some other assholes torture the mourning families?
Yep, he's an asshole.
Either that, or he doesn't exist. There's really no middle ground.
 
2012-12-16 01:01:05 PM

diaphoresis: indarwinsshadow: Proving that once again. Humanity = Sh*t

Blame God. I do.


I don't. We're the crazy ones. If there's a God, and I think there is, I think he's a casual observer now. He kept his word on the non interference pact, he's just watching us make a f*cking mess of the gift that he gave us. We've messed it up. Blame us. Not him.
 
2012-12-16 01:01:43 PM
WBC are just weird trolls, and dupes can't put their trolling into headlines fast enough.

Which, of course, gives them exactly what they want. Attention. Nice work again, Fark and 3,500 results on Goggle News.

They showed up here to protest a soldier's funeral a couple of years ago, and were ignored by everybody. Including, the local media. They were gone in ten minutes. That's how you handle that.
 
2012-12-16 01:02:07 PM

indarwinsshadow: diaphoresis: indarwinsshadow: Proving that once again. Humanity = Sh*t

Blame God. I do.

I don't. We're the crazy ones. If there's a God, and I think there is, I think he's a casual observer now. He kept his word on the non interference pact, he's just watching us make a f*cking mess of the gift that he gave us. We've messed it up. Blame us. Not him.


If he's impotent, why worship him? Why pray? He doesn't do anything.
 
2012-12-16 01:02:14 PM
I'll post this again because I think it's interesting.

Have you Farkers heard the interview/conversation that Kevin Smith had with 2 of the Phelps kids who escaped from the family? Basically, the Phelps nutballs were picketing his movie RedState. After the movie Smith was on stage doing a Q&A. These two Phelps outcasts were there to see the movie and spoke up to talk to him during this. Smith invited them on stage for a roughly half hour conversation about the family.

It's Plus One episode 15. Smith and his wife talk for a while at first about that evening, but if you want to get right to hearing the Phelps kids speak then just skip to 53 minutes in. But I recommend starting at 25:50 at least.
 
2012-12-16 01:03:15 PM

DancingElkCondor: Note also that none of the Gay Rights Group ever protest against Westboro Cult and their anti-homosexual themed protests. There is a reason why the Gay Rights Groups do not protest Westboro...they are both funded by the same Liberals

Of course, your non-three-digit IQ Liberal DoucheCrat will always try to link Westboro Cult with Christian Conservatives...when in fact Westboro is die-hard Liberal


As a member of several gay rights groups, I'd like to respectfully point out that you are wrong. We don't protest Westboro because they are unworthy of our time or energy. We've found our time (and yes, our "liberal money") is better spent trying to fight HIV--a crippling plague that doesn't care if you're conservative or not--and getting ourselves equal rights under the law. I gather from your comments you probably think we already have equal rights, but I digress.

Oh, and as a "three-digit IQ Liberal DoucheCrat," I can assure you that we don't associate Westboro with the conservative or liberal agendas. I file them under "batsh*t" and leave it at that. And if you think those bigoted, inbred, farktards voted for an African-American president in favor of abortion and gay rights, you are sincerely mistaken.
 
2012-12-16 01:03:26 PM
Has the WBC ever been successfully sued? Mental anguish, etc?
 
2012-12-16 01:04:23 PM

The Southern Dandy: WippitGuud: The Southern Dandy: The massacre, WBC protests...it's all part of God's plan. God works in mysterious ways.

Just more proof that God is an asshole.

Or maybe we're all assholes, and God is looking for someone who isn't.

So he kills children (or stands by and let's it happen), and then has some other assholes torture the mourning families?
Yep, he's an asshole.
Either that, or he doesn't exist. There's really no middle ground.


If there's a God, then there's an afterlife (as there's no belief in God without one), so perhaps He knows death is not an end. So dying in this life doesn't affect him much.

On the other hand, if you own an ant farm, and a couple of the ants start attacking the rest, do you remove them? or just enjoy the show?
 
2012-12-16 01:05:25 PM
1 - Drew & modmins, why do you continually green shiat about these farkers? Let them die in obscurity like Sideshow Bob since publicity is exactly what they crave.

2 - I may pass out from the shock: the Daily Fail correctly reported something. Somebody hire this reporter at an actual newspaper. For the first time, someone in the press called this freakshow what they are: "an unaffiliated religious group that self-identifies as a church."
 
2012-12-16 01:06:50 PM

WippitGuud: The Southern Dandy: WippitGuud: The Southern Dandy: The massacre, WBC protests...it's all part of God's plan. God works in mysterious ways.

Just more proof that God is an asshole.

Or maybe we're all assholes, and God is looking for someone who isn't.

So he kills children (or stands by and let's it happen), and then has some other assholes torture the mourning families?
Yep, he's an asshole.
Either that, or he doesn't exist. There's really no middle ground.

If there's a God, then there's an afterlife (as there's no belief in God without one), so perhaps He knows death is not an end. So dying in this life doesn't affect him much.

On the other hand, if you own an ant farm, and a couple of the ants start attacking the rest, do you remove them? or just enjoy the show?


Apparently, suffering doesn't affect him much either. Like I said...he's an asshole.
 
2012-12-16 01:07:10 PM

Aigoo: For the first time, someone in the press called this freakshow what they are: "an unaffiliated religious group that self-identifies as a church."


I'm offering 6-1 against: guess who gets the next WBC lawsuit for libel...
 
2012-12-16 01:08:24 PM

indarwinsshadow: diaphoresis: indarwinsshadow: Proving that once again. Humanity = Sh*t

Blame God. I do.

I don't. We're the crazy ones. If there's a God, and I think there is, I think he's a casual observer now. He kept his word on the non interference pact, he's just watching us make a f*cking mess of the gift that he gave us. We've messed it up. Blame us. Not him.


An occasional 'smiting' would help improve moral...

/Points at WBC
 
2012-12-16 01:10:00 PM
WBC is nothing but a scum filled hate group of religious nut cases that should have its assets seized to prevent them from doing this crap. shame that's not legal.
 
2012-12-16 01:10:01 PM

moonscatter: BronyMedic: sno man:
Bontesla had the right idea in one of the non greens last night, to form a human wall between them and the funerals, not confrontational, just to isolate them into irrelevance.

Do what they did when they tried to picket Comi-con in 2010. People just came out and made fun of them until they left.

Youtube video of the counter protest, and it is GLORIOUS.

Getting angry at these people only furthers their goals. They feed on the attention it gives them. That's why things like the Patriot Riders, while noble, irk me. They're giving them EXACTLY what they want.Ridiculing them, and laughing? They tend to pack their stuff up and leave.

I don't know that the people tomorrow will be able to manage a point and laugh, but I loved the Amazing Grace idea upthread. If I was closer, I would be there singing it.

Also, while there is one main road through Newtown (route 7), the roads to other places from that are... narrow. Easily blocked by overly-parked cars, if you catch my drift. They may not even be able to get close enough.

Also, New Englanders are masters of the "shun" - it is entirely possible they will be completely ignored.


Well, you know, the woodchipper murder happened in Sandy Hook...and I know exactly where that bridge is. Odds are the locals will protect their own and the WBC would have to walk in from either Brewster, NY or Hartford. The shunning will definitely happen, but I think there will also be people protecting the mourners from the sad spectacle of WBC hate.
 
2012-12-16 01:11:57 PM

The Southern Dandy: indarwinsshadow: diaphoresis: indarwinsshadow: Proving that once again. Humanity = Sh*t

Blame God. I do.

I don't. We're the crazy ones. If there's a God, and I think there is, I think he's a casual observer now. He kept his word on the non interference pact, he's just watching us make a f*cking mess of the gift that he gave us. We've messed it up. Blame us. Not him.

If he's impotent, why worship him? Why pray? He doesn't do anything.


I never said I worshiped him. I don't worship my own father and mother, but it doesn't mean I'm not respectful that I'm alive and glad they gave me the gift of life, and raised me to be a (hopefully) good individual. I'll be blunt. Up to 14 years ago I was devout atheist. Then my son died. I was going to kill myself because I couldn't take the grief. I asked for God's help, and I got it. I felt better. That's just me. Everyone's experience is different. I absolutely believe in God. I don't blame him for anything. I made my life either good or bad. Things happen in life. Personally, I think it's foolish to think there's a God who would actually make good or bad things happen. I do believe that there's a God who kept his word after the flood. He swore an oath to never again interfere in mans destiny. He'd allow us our own choices of free will either way. It was up to us to make the right decisions. Most of us know the right decisions, we just choose to ignore it. It's us that's f*cked up. Not him. Life is not a video game. We're not pawns being used by God and Satan. We're individuals who are casually observed. It must disappoint the sh*t out of God to see how we abuse the gifts. Personally, I think people are sh*t a lot of times because they choose the wrong decision even though they know it's the wrong thing to do. We're stupid children.
 
2012-12-16 01:20:55 PM

BronyMedic: clane: You are brainwashed, not all Christians are evil, some dedicate their lives to good, some build hospitals, some feed the hungry, and some provide medicine to those in need. I drive down the road and see HUGE Christian hospitals with thousands and thousands of people working them.

All i see Liberals build are little Clinics where two go in and one comes out and thanks to Obamacare I get to help pay for that.

As far as the Westboro Baptist Church goes these are insane people that found a way to abuse the First Amendment. I just wish all of their mothers would have visited one of your clinics years ago.

WOW. That is powerful punditry.

Oh, you mean those clinics which provide free-of-cost reproductive healthcare, STD treatment, and safe sex education and protection measures to prevent abortions in the first place to people who otherwise couldn't afford to be treated, and who's patient population makes up 90+% Of their visits, with only a small fraction requesting abortive services?

Or the fact that far more abortions occur at private, unaffiliated clinics in the United States than Planned Parenthood?

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your right, i stand corrected all christians are evil all Liberals that spend billions of tax dollers handing out money are good... got it
 
2012-12-16 01:21:37 PM

WippitGuud: Aigoo: For the first time, someone in the press called this freakshow what they are: "an unaffiliated religious group that self-identifies as a church."

I'm offering 6-1 against: guess who gets the next WBC lawsuit for libel...


LOL, true. But I bet the judge tosses it since I hear the Baptists and Southern Baptists disavowed them, so it is technically correct.

/wish God would publicly disavow them as well... preferably by opening up the earth and swallowing them whole, or striking them dead where they stand.
 
2012-12-16 01:22:11 PM
Not surprised by this AT ALL. I'm used to the WBC and generally ignore them. As said earlier, even hateful free speech is protected and those "people" aren't worth my time.

Regarding all the post-shooting attention, I'm getting really farking sick of all the "PUT GOD BACK INTO SCHOOLS" derp that I keep seeing posted now. The day of the shooting I selected to hide everything from a good guy who went on a "THEY AINT TAKIN MAH GUNS" rant and deleted another guy who wondered why this gets so much media attention while "Benghazi didn't" and there was another guy who literally made a long spiel about how "now is not the time to talk gun control" because we need to grieve and move past this first. Not for two days (mostly older) ladies keep posting stupid "pictures of text" of "how this wouldn't have happened if God was in schools"

List of shiat I've seen from people I know on Facebook:
"So making guns illegal will take them off the street? We should make heroin and meth illegal too!"

(on a pic of white Jesus) "i do wish i was allowed back in your schools"

"its time to... put god back in schools. we dont need more laws. we need a fear of god & a respect for human life. god will "bless the usa" when we let him back into it"

And that's just in the last two hours. All of those were "pictures of text" These people are good people, but are stupid people and it pisses me off how simpleminded they can be. I may sound hateful, but I just perm-a-hide these people. I may be your friend/family member, but I don't have to read your simpleminded copypasta all the time.
 
2012-12-16 01:22:14 PM

indarwinsshadow: The Southern Dandy: indarwinsshadow: diaphoresis: indarwinsshadow: Proving that once again. Humanity = Sh*t

Blame God. I do.

I don't. We're the crazy ones. If there's a God, and I think there is, I think he's a casual observer now. He kept his word on the non interference pact, he's just watching us make a f*cking mess of the gift that he gave us. We've messed it up. Blame us. Not him.

If he's impotent, why worship him? Why pray? He doesn't do anything.

I never said I worshiped him. I don't worship my own father and mother, but it doesn't mean I'm not respectful that I'm alive and glad they gave me the gift of life, and raised me to be a (hopefully) good individual. I'll be blunt. Up to 14 years ago I was devout atheist. Then my son died. I was going to kill myself because I couldn't take the grief. I asked for God's help, and I got it. I felt better. That's just me. Everyone's experience is different. I absolutely believe in God. I don't blame him for anything. I made my life either good or bad. Things happen in life. Personally, I think it's foolish to think there's a God who would actually make good or bad things happen. I do believe that there's a God who kept his word after the flood. He swore an oath to never again interfere in mans destiny. He'd allow us our own choices of free will either way. It was up to us to make the right decisions. Most of us know the right decisions, we just choose to ignore it. It's us that's f*cked up. Not him. Life is not a video game. We're not pawns being used by God and Satan. We're individuals who are casually observed. It must disappoint the sh*t out of God to see how we abuse the gifts. Personally, I think people are sh*t a lot of times because they choose the wrong decision even though they know it's the wrong thing to do. We're stupid children.


Devout atheist?

cdn.motinetwork.net

There was no world flood, God didn't help you, you helped yourself. God didn't give you life, your parents did. God didn't give you shiat because he doesn't exist.

"We're stupid children"

Speak for yourself.
 
2012-12-16 01:22:46 PM

clane: your right, i stand corrected all christians are evil all Liberals that spend billions of tax dollers handing out money are good... got it


25.media.tumblr.com

Weird. Who said that?

i949.photobucket.com

/or, it could be that you're talking out of your ass, and the world is not as black and white as you pretend it is.
 
2012-12-16 01:23:44 PM
They're not going to show.
 
2012-12-16 01:24:38 PM

bubo_sibiricus: clane: All i see Liberals build are little Clinics where two go in and one comes out and thanks to Obamacare I get to help pay for that.

So we liberals build Thunderdomes?

I neer knew that. Cool.

Plonk.


I wouldn't complain if you built Thunderdomes...
 
2012-12-16 01:24:39 PM

clane: BronyMedic: clane: You are brainwashed, not all Christians are evil, some dedicate their lives to good, some build hospitals, some feed the hungry, and some provide medicine to those in need. I drive down the road and see HUGE Christian hospitals with thousands and thousands of people working them.

All i see Liberals build are little Clinics where two go in and one comes out and thanks to Obamacare I get to help pay for that.

As far as the Westboro Baptist Church goes these are insane people that found a way to abuse the First Amendment. I just wish all of their mothers would have visited one of your clinics years ago.

WOW. That is powerful punditry.

Oh, you mean those clinics which provide free-of-cost reproductive healthcare, STD treatment, and safe sex education and protection measures to prevent abortions in the first place to people who otherwise couldn't afford to be treated, and who's patient population makes up 90+% Of their visits, with only a small fraction requesting abortive services?

Or the fact that far more abortions occur at private, unaffiliated clinics in the United States than Planned Parenthood?

[i306.photobucket.com image 500x293]

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your right, i stand corrected all christians are evil all Liberals that spend billions of tax dollers handing out money are good... got it


Desperate, petulant Straw Man? Yep, you lost this one.
 
2012-12-16 01:26:27 PM
Farking goddamn Westboro democrats.
 
2012-12-16 01:27:21 PM
Occupy groups in CT and New York plannning to try to form a human barricaid like Texas A&M did. Anyone who wants to join please go and help with keeping the WBC out please do!
 
2012-12-16 01:27:24 PM

grimlock1972: WBC is nothing but a scum filled hate group of religious nut cases that should have its assets seized to prevent them from doing this crap. shame that's not legal.


No, not a shame. Our freedoms need to be applied to everyone, equally. We see them as evil. But what would you do if someone saw you as evil? We see them as a detriment to society and beyond saving. Much of the same has been said about minorities and groups like the LBGT community. There is no universal right and wrong, there are only opinions. We are the majority. We'd think differently about whose rights should be removed if we weren't. It's not the rights of the popular that need protecting.

The WBC walk the line between exercising their rights and causing harm. But until they move firmly into the harm category we need to appreciate that they are free to be assholes. As the old saying goes, I may not agree with what they say, but I'll defend to the death their right to say it.

/but on a personal level, fark them all. I don't wish for their deaths but I wont be too upset if something happens to them.
 
2012-12-16 01:28:45 PM
I guess crazy protects crazy cause no gun toting psycho ever goes after these idiots.

freedom of speech be damed. put these jerks in jail. the government seems to be able to find reasons to keep people in custody without charges in many cases. there has never been one more deserving than WBC.
 
2012-12-16 01:30:50 PM

The Southern Dandy: indarwinsshadow: The Southern Dandy: indarwinsshadow: diaphoresis: indarwinsshadow: Proving that once again. Humanity = Sh*t

Blame God. I do.

I don't. We're the crazy ones. If there's a God, and I think there is, I think he's a casual observer now. He kept his word on the non interference pact, he's just watching us make a f*cking mess of the gift that he gave us. We've messed it up. Blame us. Not him.

If he's impotent, why worship him? Why pray? He doesn't do anything.

I never said I worshiped him. I don't worship my own father and mother, but it doesn't mean I'm not respectful that I'm alive and glad they gave me the gift of life, and raised me to be a (hopefully) good individual. I'll be blunt. Up to 14 years ago I was devout atheist. Then my son died. I was going to kill myself because I couldn't take the grief. I asked for God's help, and I got it. I felt better. That's just me. Everyone's experience is different. I absolutely believe in God. I don't blame him for anything. I made my life either good or bad. Things happen in life. Personally, I think it's foolish to think there's a God who would actually make good or bad things happen. I do believe that there's a God who kept his word after the flood. He swore an oath to never again interfere in mans destiny. He'd allow us our own choices of free will either way. It was up to us to make the right decisions. Most of us know the right decisions, we just choose to ignore it. It's us that's f*cked up. Not him. Life is not a video game. We're not pawns being used by God and Satan. We're individuals who are casually observed. It must disappoint the sh*t out of God to see how we abuse the gifts. Personally, I think people are sh*t a lot of times because they choose the wrong decision even though they know it's the wrong thing to do. We're stupid children.

Devout atheist?

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There was no world flood, God didn't help you, you helped yourself. God didn't give you life, your pare ...


I do speak for myself. I think you make your own mistakes as well. I also think you're trying to convince me of something I'm not going to be convinced about. I've made up my mind. I have all the proof I need. I won't ever try and cram what I believe down your throat, do a favour to this complete stranger and don't try and cram your beliefs or non beliefs down mine. Ask any question, if it's respectful and within reason, and I'll answer it as honestly and straight forward as I can. Treat me like you're somehow superior or with ridicule and I'll ignore you or taunt the crap out of you until I'm temporarily banned.

I don't care if you believe, or don't believe. Whatever blows your hair back. I'm just saying (my original point) is that "civilization" isn't civilized at all. We're not beyond our club swinging ancestors. We're barbaric, stupid, and haven't learned a damned thing yet. Westboro is the sh*t you find on the bottom of your shoe. There's something mentally wrong with them.
 
2012-12-16 01:31:04 PM

david_gaithersburg: Farking goddamn Westboro democrats.


Oh, you. Explain why their rhetoric matches Huckabee and Fischer. Are they Democrats too?
 
2012-12-16 01:32:14 PM

david_gaithersburg: Farking goddamn Westboro democrats.


Ooo, can I play?

Farking goddamn Republican Oklahoma City Bomber!
 
2012-12-16 01:33:58 PM
Well, they are giving Orly Taitz a run for troll of the century.
 
2012-12-16 01:37:23 PM
I hope someone kills the entire Phelps clan.
 
2012-12-16 01:37:29 PM

Hoban Washburne: Osomatic: There is actually no low to which these people can sink. Because they're not in it for their supposed beliefs, they're in it for a living. They employ full-time lawyers to file applications for demonstrations. Many are denied, and so then they file lawsuits under the first amendment - but of course they will usually settle for some money. This is what these people do. When they actually show up to "protest," they are usually there for about 30 minutes or less and then they get the heck out of there.

Therefore, the VERY best thing that we can all do is allow them to do whatever the hell they want. Let them hold up their signs, and laugh at them. They don't mean it. They've almost never meant it. Let them do their thing and laugh and laugh and laugh at them. But always let them do their thing. Because it is only in not being allowed that they make their dough. They must always be allowed. It is so irriating, I know. But they must always always be allowed.

Because if they have nobody to sue, they will eventually have to go away, because they won't have any money.

Very nice. To put it succinctly, don't give these attention seeking coonts any farking attention.


Attention, absolutely not. Bullets, I'd be okay with.

They will never, ever, ever, go away on their own. It's like treating rabies with "quiet time in the corner". At some point the correct response is to put the rabid dog down and go on with the world improved.

My heart goes out to the rest of the town. Even more so because they have to deal with subhumans celebrating the loss of their loved ones.
 
2012-12-16 01:38:44 PM
I am in disbelieve that there are people here accusing WBC of being democrats. Are you seriously that far from reality?
 
2012-12-16 01:39:51 PM
so, i dont get it... if someone showed up to the WBC and just murdered every single last one of them, would they think it was god who was killing them?
 
2012-12-16 01:41:01 PM
There's never a deranged sociopathic killer around when you need one.
 
2012-12-16 01:41:44 PM

astroturd: I am in disbelieve that there are people here accusing WBC of being democrats. Are you seriously that far from reality?


Phelps is a registered Democraft, and tried to run for office 4 times as one. Does it matter?
 
2012-12-16 01:44:41 PM

indarwinsshadow: taunt the crap out of you until I'm temporarily banned.



ragefaces.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2012-12-16 01:45:39 PM
Dammit, why can't we get a crazy to go after these crazies???

/pickin' the wrong target...
 
2012-12-16 01:49:51 PM
For the record, there is no depth that the Westboro Baptist Church twits/twats can not sink to. Far beyond the depths of hell and if they ever do hit bottom, I am sure they will break out shovels and start digging. Furthermore, I would be OK with each of them being ass raped with this...

eat3d.com
 
2012-12-16 01:52:54 PM

Chariset: dickfreckle: borg: This will be the straw that breaks the camel's back

Respectfully to you sir or ma'am, I genuinely doubt that. There's always going to be a niche market for this sort of bullsh*t.

I think s/he means "This is the incident which will get them murdered by an angry mob."

Though frankly, I doubt it. Most people are wise to their despicable tricks, plus they've taken to bringing their children along with them. What heroes; trolling the fark out of grieving parents while using kids as human shields.


I'm aware that they're trolls\scammers, but I seriously hope this is the incident that gets them seriously injured by an angry mob, wearing face masks so they can't sue.
 
2012-12-16 01:55:17 PM

The Southern Dandy: indarwinsshadow: taunt the crap out of you until I'm temporarily banned.


[ragefaces.s3.amazonaws.com image 363x281]


i39.tinypic.com

Let's call it a draw. I won't kick you in the nuts, you won't stomp on my head. What do you say?
 
2012-12-16 01:56:38 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: grimlock1972: WBC is nothing but a scum filled hate group of religious nut cases that should have its assets seized to prevent them from doing this crap. shame that's not legal.

No, not a shame. Our freedoms need to be applied to everyone, equally. We see them as evil. But what would you do if someone saw you as evil? We see them as a detriment to society and beyond saving. Much of the same has been said about minorities and groups like the LBGT community. There is no universal right and wrong, there are only opinions. We are the majority. We'd think differently about whose rights should be removed if we weren't. It's not the rights of the popular that need protecting.

The WBC walk the line between exercising their rights and causing harm. But until they move firmly into the harm category we need to appreciate that they are free to be assholes. As the old saying goes, I may not agree with what they say, but I'll defend to the death their right to say it.

/but on a personal level, fark them all. I don't wish for their deaths but I wont be too upset if something happens to them.


Close, but there is right and wrong. Either retract your statement, or concede that child rape is only wrong because our society happens to prefer that it not happen. Those are your two choices- no third, no false dichotomy, nothing.
 
2012-12-16 01:58:25 PM
I've always been partial to drawing and quartering, personally.
 
2012-12-16 01:59:02 PM

WippitGuud: astroturd: I am in disbelieve that there are people here accusing WBC of being democrats. Are you seriously that far from reality?

Phelps is a registered Democraft, and tried to run for office 4 times as one. Does it matter?


He renounced the Democratic party when they started supporting gay rights.
 
2012-12-16 02:00:03 PM
It is my firm opinion that "freedom from religious persecution" includes churches not being allowed to protest me or my relatives based upon THEIR religious beliefs OR mine.

Westboro Baptist is Outlaw.
 
2012-12-16 02:01:59 PM
Wow, I really pissed someone off by simply writing, on my own wall "You guys all know that Morgan Freeman didn't really say that, right?"

ME:You guys all know Morgan Freeman didn't actually say that, right?
Like · · Promote
(girlfriend likes this.)

Angry friend: it doesnt matter who said it. someone did and it is true.
28 minutes ago via mobile · Like

ME: I don't think it's fair to attribute words to people who didn't say them.
25 minutes ago · Like

ME I also disagree that it's "the media's fault" and I do think gun control is an issue. So no, I don't agree that it's true.
22 minutes ago · Like

Angry friend: did you read about the other school attack on the same day? no gun. If someone is determined to hurt someone they are going to find a way. It is a mental health problem.
18 minutes ago via mobile · Like

ME: It very much is a mental health problem. And the children that were stabbed in China all lived, and most didn't even need hospitalization. These shootings are happening over and over again. Gun violence is an issue. I'm not saying "take everyone's guns away" like so many NRA members think we are saying. But too many people are not getting help with mental health issues, and it is too easy for people to get guns. It's a combination of many issues.
 
2012-12-16 02:06:08 PM

eddiesocket: david_gaithersburg: Farking goddamn Westboro democrats.

Oh, you. Explain why their rhetoric matches Huckabee and Fischer. Are they Democrats too?


.
I don't know, are they registered demoncrats like the WBC folks?
 
2012-12-16 02:07:31 PM
Was hoping to heckle these farkers at the US Formula 1 race but they didn't show AFAICT.
 
2012-12-16 02:08:45 PM

Enemabag Jones: smeegle
Nothing good will come of this. Someone filled with grief is going to become unhinged. That is exactly what WBC wants so they can sue.

This is what confuses me about the WBC. I think most people reasonable here would not side with the WBC if put on a jury. How does the WBC leverage the legal system to make the scam work?


I don't know, but I know what jury nullification is.
 
2012-12-16 02:09:57 PM
Just once, I'd like to read about these guys and the last line on the article reads "...and there were no survivors."
 
2012-12-16 02:10:50 PM
The working theory of some is that scum bags like the shooter in CT don't want to just commit suicide, they want to go down in infamy. If they just kill themselves they die as a sad nobody. If they kill a bunch of innocents first, then kill themselves, they die famous (thanks to the media). If this is true, why doesn't someone massacre the WBC, then commit suicide. It's still evil as fark, but at least they're almost doing the world a favor.
 
2012-12-16 02:11:57 PM

Daobaz: Just once, I'd like to read about these guys and the last line on the article reads "...and there were no survivors."


i.dailymail.co.uk

could have been a national hero...
 
2012-12-16 02:13:48 PM
One word: BRUNO.
 
2012-12-16 02:13:55 PM
Still waiting for the day when "Car careens out of control killing several WBC members picketing funeral; No charges filed".
 
2012-12-16 02:17:17 PM
I'm grateful for freedom of speech and right to bear arms.
 
2012-12-16 02:18:16 PM

OhioUGrad: Still waiting for the day when "Car careens out of control killing several all WBC members picketing funeral; No charges filed".


FTFY
 
2012-12-16 02:20:26 PM
Unreal. Someone called in a bomb threat to the Catholic Church in Newtown.
 
2012-12-16 02:22:21 PM

litespeed74: I'm grateful for freedom of speech and right to bear arms.


i1.headlinefun.com
 
2012-12-16 02:22:40 PM

borg: This will be the straw that breaks the camel's back


I would be very surprised if they show. There will be some BS story about why they can't make it or they'll make a deal with a local radio station for an hour on the air if they don't show.

I wish the media - including Fark - would stop publishing any and all stories about them. Y'all ate just giving them the attention they want. Y'all are being played by them.
 
2012-12-16 02:23:58 PM

BronyMedic: snuff3r: FFS, put them down as a terrorist organisation, send them off to gitmo and be done with it already.

There isn't a single civil rights group that would fight their case. Send them to a hole and let them rot.



I'm pretty sure I could name a few off the top of my head, because that's what they do. They protect free speech, regardless of the popularity of the group involved, or who douchebaggy their message is. The problem is that, today it's Westboro Baptist Church, tommorow it could be anyone that a large group of people disagree with.

Westboro Baptist Church are nothing but a group of vile trolls who have learned how to coax people into doing things that get them attention and money. Let me say that up front.

But they still have every legal right to say what they want to as long as they don't incite action based on it.


Indeed, they have every right.

The rest of the country, however, is not compelled to listen. People seem to consistently overlook this.

If it were up to me, I'd let then demonstrate - in a clearing in the middle of a forest 100 miles from the school.
 
2012-12-16 02:29:06 PM
The Fred Phelps three ring circus is like watching one long tracking shot of craaazy. And seeing it crash into a wall at the end.

Peddle to the Mental, Fred!
 
2012-12-16 02:32:37 PM

Runs_With_Scissors_: I know how to deal with these farks.

During the Columbine memorial service a group of religious farkers showed up an did what they do: Handmade signs, screaming that god wanted the massacre to happen. (For all I know it was them.) A group of students gathered around them and started to sing 'Amazing Grace'. A bunch of other people joined in, and then more. Very soon the singing drowned out the vile screaming. No matter where they went, or what they said they were hidden and silenced by grieving people singing hymns.

That's what should happen tomorrow, instead of people screaming back at them.



Okay. That all sounds good. But I have a better idea.
If one of my kids were killed in that tragedy, and these assholes showed up in protest, I would personally beat as many of them to death as I could before getting arrested or shot. I wouldn't hold back until they were all dead, or someone took me down.

Those low-lifes deserve no better.
 
2012-12-16 02:39:15 PM
Never thought I'd think this, but I wouldn't be sad if someone put a bullet in that guy's head. It would be wrong, but I'd shrug and forget all about him in a week or two, never to think about him and his clownshow again.

I hate being in this kind of headspace...
 
2012-12-16 02:40:07 PM

clane: bubo_sibiricus: clane: All i see Liberals build are little Clinics where two go in and one comes out and thanks to Obamacare I get to help pay for that.

So we liberals build Thunderdomes?

I neer knew that. Cool.

Plonk.

I wouldn't complain if you built Thunderdomes...


Wow, fail troll failed hard. Better luck next time, junior.

/might also wanna talk to your God about the millions of fertilized eggs he doesn't allow to implant and the thousands of miscarriages he causes ever year, at least humans have laws against third-trimester abortions
 
2012-12-16 02:40:27 PM
Apparently Anonymous are getting involved.

http://betabeat.com/2012/12/anonymous-goes-after-westboro-baptist-chu r ch-members-over-plans-to-picket-sandy-hook-funerals/
 
2012-12-16 02:41:37 PM
 
2012-12-16 02:41:56 PM

KidneyStone: borg: This will be the straw that breaks the camel's back

I would be very surprised if they show. There will be some BS story about why they can't make it or they'll make a deal with a local radio station for an hour on the air if they don't show.

I wish the media - including Fark - would stop publishing any and all stories about them. Y'all ate just giving them the attention they want. Y'all are being played by them.


Exactly. We need to ignore people like them and Huckabee and Fischer.
 
2012-12-16 02:44:06 PM

The Downfall: Angry friend: did you read about the other school attack on the same day? no gun. If someone is determined to hurt someone they are going to find a way. It is a mental health problem.
18 minutes ago via mobile · Like

ME: It very much is a mental health problem. And the children that were stabbed in China all lived, and most didn't even need hospitalization. These shootings are happening over and over again. Gun violence is an issue. I'm not saying "take everyone's guns away" like so many NRA members think we are saying. But too many people are not getting help with mental health issues, and it is too easy for people to get guns. It's a combination of many issues.


It's so weird how they keep walking into the argument over and over. Do they not realize it completely undermines their "guns don't kill people" talking point?
 
2012-12-16 02:45:06 PM

clane: MacEnvy: Inquisition

============================

You are brainwashed, not all Christians are evil, some dedicate their lives to good, some build hospitals, some feed the hungry, and some provide medicine to those in need. I drive down the road and see HUGE Christian hospitals with thousands and thousands of people working them.

All i see Liberals build are little Clinics where two go in and one comes out and thanks to Obamacare I get to help pay for that.

As far as the Westboro Baptist Church goes these are insane people that found a way to abuse the First Amendment. I just wish all of their mothers would have visited one of your clinics years ago.


Shut up troll, you lost all credibility when your kind bombed the OKC building and the Olympics.
 
2012-12-16 02:47:13 PM

iq_in_binary: clane: MacEnvy: Inquisition

============================

You are brainwashed, not all Christians are evil, some dedicate their lives to good, some build hospitals, some feed the hungry, and some provide medicine to those in need. I drive down the road and see HUGE Christian hospitals with thousands and thousands of people working them.

All i see Liberals build are little Clinics where two go in and one comes out and thanks to Obamacare I get to help pay for that.

As far as the Westboro Baptist Church goes these are insane people that found a way to abuse the First Amendment. I just wish all of their mothers would have visited one of your clinics years ago.

Shut up troll, you lost all credibility when your kind bombed the OKC building and the Olympics.


I love when I read a post quoting someone stupid, and I think 'I don't remember seeing that,' and then realize that I've blocked the original person. My ignore list is huge, I wish more of us had ignore lists big enough to ignore the people who want attention on here so bad.
 
2012-12-16 02:48:48 PM

david_gaithersburg: eddiesocket: david_gaithersburg: Farking goddamn Westboro democrats.

Oh, you. Explain why their rhetoric matches Huckabee and Fischer. Are they Democrats too?

.
I don't know, are they registered demoncrats like the WBC folks?


I clicked the "Smart" and "Funny" buttons but this post remained stupid and sad.

Those buttons don't work.
 
2012-12-16 02:50:57 PM

DancingElkCondor: Westboro Cult (they are not a Baptist Church) is nothing more than a front group funded by Progressive organizations to make Christians look bad

No real Christian would protest at the funerals of 20 murdered children. Only someone that would support infanticide would even consider such evil

Westboro Cult founder Fred Phelps is buddies with Al Gore, and has contributed to his political campaigns over the years. That is fact. The Phelps Family are DEMOCRATS

The Westboro Cult/Phelps Family are also all Bar Certified lawyers...and stage these protests to lure opponents into lawsuits. They are really no different than the Liberal Democrat Trial Lawyers that are the biggest fund raisers for the DNC

Note also that none of the Gay Rights Group ever protest against Westboro Cult and their anti-homosexual themed protests. There is a reason why the Gay Rights Groups do not protest Westboro...they are both funded by the same Liberals

Of course, your non-three-digit IQ Liberal DoucheCrat will always try to link Westboro Cult with Christian Conservatives...when in fact Westboro is die-hard Liberal


I really think you're onto something there, buddy. I can find no fault whatsoever with your logic. *Thank* you for opening my eyes. Please tell me how I can learn more.
 
2012-12-16 02:55:08 PM

diaphoresis: OhioUGrad: Still waiting for the day when "Car careens out of control killing several all WBC members picketing funeral; No charges filed".

FTFY


haha yeah, but I figured some would stay behind to man the hate machine.
 
2012-12-16 03:02:21 PM
Sooner or later, one of the counter-protestors is going to show up with a flamethrower. Thank God for HD video capability in most modern smartphones.
 
2012-12-16 03:02:30 PM

dickfreckle: Oh, I presumed they would sink lower. They're trolls, constantly stepping up the game to anger the most possible people.

borg: This will be the straw that breaks the camel's back

Respectfully to you sir or ma'am, I genuinely doubt that. There's always going to be a niche market for this sort of bullsh*t.


Too bad there isn't a deranged shooter that will open up on the Westboro picketers with an assault rifle. Hmmmm.... volunteers? Anyone? Bueller?
 
2012-12-16 03:05:26 PM
I still think part of the reason they bring their children to these protests (besides the fact they are brainwashing them) is to hide behind them so people don't physically harm them.
 
2012-12-16 03:11:10 PM
Let's face it: Guns *are* the GOteaP's religion.

img189.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-16 03:19:00 PM
Tha many grieving parents, how many just lost their only child and have nothing else to live for?
 
2012-12-16 03:19:00 PM

andyfromfl: Close, but there is right and wrong. Either retract your statement, or concede that child rape is only wrong because our society happens to prefer that it not happen. Those are your two choices- no third, no false dichotomy, nothing.


Hrm. You're strangely confrontational for no reason out of no where.

There is no universal right and wrong. Right and wrong are ideas that were created by man and thus are at the whims of man. You jumped to an extreme example in order to invoke an emotional response. That's shiatty argument tactics.

Here's a better example. Some of society thinks that it's wrong to allow gay people to marry. Some of society thinks that it's right to allow them to marry. Who is correct? Based on what? Where is the infallible, unchangeable, truth that makes it either right or wrong? There isn't one. There are only opinions.

Some people think that it's wrong for women to have any say in the household. They think that they are right. Do you? If not, what makes you right and them wrong?

Some people think that it's wrong for a man to cry. Other's think that it's just fine. What makes either side more right than the other?

Some people think that it's wrong to spank a child. Other's don't. What makes either side right or wrong?

So, since you claim that it does exist, show me the universal truths of what it right and wrong. Show me that which cannot be argued against.

Rape, of any kind, is "wrong" because the majority of our society deems it so. There are some who seem to have no problem in doing it. Remove society from the equation. Without that, what makes it either right or wrong? It does occur in the animal kingdom. What makes those occurrences, existing between creatures who lack our ability of higher thinking, right or wrong? Hell, the entire concept of rape only exists because we humans have attached intangible labels to the act of copulation. Ideas like "will" and "consent" and "desire".

Think of lions. A male lion will kill another male, kill the children within his pride, and then re-mate with the females of the newly dominated pride in order to make new children. Show me what says that this is either right or wrong. Show me something which cannot be debated.

Maybe one day your limited mind will open up and allow for the possibility of things which you find to be uncomfortable.
 
2012-12-16 03:20:09 PM
i1162.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-16 03:20:14 PM

diaphoresis: Vegan Meat Popsicle: trappedspirit: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Admins who green WBC submissions are worse than the WBC.

Like a zillionty times worse. amirite?

I wouldn't go that far. Maybe a brazillion.

Challenge Accepted:
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That's a MAN, baby.
 
2012-12-16 03:20:41 PM
New petition: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-petitioning-funerals-il legal/zl93jC5w
 
2012-12-16 03:23:47 PM

andyfromfl: Close, but there is right and wrong. Either retract your statement, or concede that child rape is only wrong because our society happens to prefer that it not happen. Those are your two choices- no third, no false dichotomy, nothing.


So yes, that's exactly why it's wrong. And I'm in agreement with it being so. I don't want it to happen and I find it to be so very harmful, so I deem it to be wrong. Show me why it's right or wrong without the emotions and desires of human beings playing a role.
 
2012-12-16 03:25:04 PM

monty666: So is this what all Christians are like?


No.
 
2012-12-16 03:25:12 PM

glassgnost: New petition: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-petitioning-funerals-il legal/zl93jC5w


Yeah, we should start infringing freedom of speech as well. Hell, we should just shred the entire Constitution so this never happens again.
 
2012-12-16 03:26:33 PM

BronyMedic: clane: You are brainwashed, not all Christians are evil, some dedicate their lives to good, some build hospitals, some feed the hungry, and some provide medicine to those in need. I drive down the road and see HUGE Christian hospitals with thousands and thousands of people working them.

All i see Liberals build are little Clinics where two go in and one comes out and thanks to Obamacare I get to help pay for that.

As far as the Westboro Baptist Church goes these are insane people that found a way to abuse the First Amendment. I just wish all of their mothers would have visited one of your clinics years ago.

WOW. That is powerful punditry.


Hmmmm.... at first glance, many or even most of those organizations appear to exist to promote various political agendas. To accomplish this their secondary goals involve helping people. The religious-based hospitals have the primary agenda of helping people, not changing their views.
 
2012-12-16 03:29:19 PM

BronyMedic: clane: You are brainwashed, not all Christians are evil, some dedicate their lives to good, some build hospitals, some feed the hungry, and some provide medicine to those in need. I drive down the road and see HUGE Christian hospitals with thousands and thousands of people working them.

All i see Liberals build are little Clinics where two go in and one comes out and thanks to Obamacare I get to help pay for that.

As far as the Westboro Baptist Church goes these are insane people that found a way to abuse the First Amendment. I just wish all of their mothers would have visited one of your clinics years ago.

WOW. That is powerful punditry.

Oh, you mean those clinics which provide free-of-cost reproductive healthcare, STD treatment, and safe sex education and protection measures to prevent abortions in the first place to people who otherwise couldn't afford to be treated, and who's patient population makes up 90+% Of their visits, with only a small fraction requesting abortive services?

Or the fact that far more abortions occur at private, unaffiliated clinics in the United States than Planned Parenthood?

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BTW, all that using the derpometer accomplishes is announce to everyone on fark that you got nuthin' else.
 
2012-12-16 03:29:54 PM

The Southern Dandy: The massacre, WBC protests...it's all part of God's plan. God works in mysterious ways.

Just more proof that God is an asshole.


Nice straw man.
 
2012-12-16 03:31:37 PM
A bunch of innocent children are murdered, and these f*ckers are still walking around. This is why I don't believe in any god.
 
2012-12-16 03:31:54 PM

MacEnvy: clane: MacEnvy: Inquisition

============================

You are brainwashed, not all Christians are evil, some dedicate their lives to good, some build hospitals, some feed the hungry, and some provide medicine to those in need. I drive down the road and see HUGE Christian hospitals with thousands and thousands of people working them.

All i see Liberals build are little Clinics where two go in and one comes out and thanks to Obamacare I get to help pay for that.

As far as the Westboro Baptist Church goes these are insane people that found a way to abuse the First Amendment. I just wish all of their mothers would have visited one of your clinics years ago.

Jesus guys, when do we get that "Potato" voting button?


Ad hominem all you got, Bunky?
 
2012-12-16 03:37:55 PM

OgreMagi: A bunch of innocent children are murdered, and these f*ckers are still walking around. This is why I don't believe in any god.


if God is unable to prevent evil, he is not omnipotent.
if God is not willing to prevent evil, he is not good.
if God is willing and able to prevent evil, then why is there evil?

The idea of gods is a nice one, but it only exists to calm the scared minds of the weak. Gods were created to give convenient answers to the everyday questions in life and to explain the things that go bump in the night.
 
2012-12-16 03:39:46 PM
If they do show up, they're gonna wish they didn't.
 
2012-12-16 03:46:11 PM

m3000: Out of 300 million people, there is always bound to be a few complete and absolute farktards



Which is why they won't be missed when they mysteriously disappear.
 
2012-12-16 03:47:37 PM

TotesCrayCray: OgreMagi: A bunch of innocent children are murdered, and these f*ckers are still walking around. This is why I don't believe in any god.

if God is unable to prevent evil, he is not omnipotent.
if God is not willing to prevent evil, he is not good.
if God is willing and able to prevent evil, then why is there evil?

The idea of gods is a nice one, but it only exists to calm the scared minds of the weak. Gods were created to give convenient answers to the everyday questions in life and to explain the things that go bump in the night.


After listening to one particular religious fanatic go on about "mysterious ways", etc, I finally just told him, "your god is an asshole" and walked away.
 
2012-12-16 03:49:02 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: The Southern Dandy: The massacre, WBC protests...it's all part of God's plan. God works in mysterious ways.

Just more proof that God is an asshole.

Nice straw man.


1 Samuel 15:2-3

Deuteronomy 2:34; 3:6; 20:16-18

Joshua 6:15-21
 
2012-12-16 03:50:19 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: If they do show up, they're gonna wish they didn't.


There is no way they could find a jury that would convict anyone for a massive beat down of those fark-tards if they showed up.

DA: "We have absolute proof from the video that these 10 people beat the WBC members to death at the funeral. There is no question about it."
Jury: "Fark you, Not guilty."
 
2012-12-16 03:50:41 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Hmmmm.... at first glance, many or even most of those organizations appear to exist to promote various political agendas. To accomplish this their secondary goals involve helping people. The religious-based hospitals have the primary agenda of helping people, not changing their views.


i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-12-16 03:53:08 PM
Om liking these guys more and more.
 
2012-12-16 03:57:18 PM

Aigoo: 1 - Drew & modmins, why do you continually green shiat about these farkers? Let them die in obscurity like Sideshow Bob since publicity is exactly what they crave.


For the same reason the media pays attention to them. Things that horrify/terrify/sadden/enrage people are excellent for page views. Same reason we have regular trolltastic headlines.
 
2012-12-16 03:58:05 PM

OgreMagi: Britney Spear's Speculum: If they do show up, they're gonna wish they didn't.

There is no way they could find a jury that would convict anyone for a massive beat down of those fark-tards if they showed up.

DA: "We have absolute proof from the video that these 10 people beat the WBC members to death at the funeral. There is no question about it."
Jury: "Fark you, Not guilty."


You think it's okay to beat someone to death for being an asshole? You really think everyone else thinks that way too?
 
2012-12-16 04:00:34 PM

davidphogan: You think it's okay to beat someone to death for being an asshole? You really think everyone else thinks that way too?


Well, to be fair, some people do deserve a good ass kicking. Death might be a little extreme.
 
2012-12-16 04:00:47 PM

justtray: Would itbe 'illegal' to 'beat' them with a sack of oranges? If thats wrong i dont wanto be right


Sock o' lock would be preferable
 
2012-12-16 04:02:04 PM

davidphogan: OgreMagi: Britney Spear's Speculum: If they do show up, they're gonna wish they didn't.

There is no way they could find a jury that would convict anyone for a massive beat down of those fark-tards if they showed up.

DA: "We have absolute proof from the video that these 10 people beat the WBC members to death at the funeral. There is no question about it."
Jury: "Fark you, Not guilty."

You think it's okay to beat someone to death for being an asshole? You really think everyone else thinks that way too?


Normally, no. But I'll make an exception for the Westboro Baptist Church.
 
2012-12-16 04:13:41 PM

The Southern Dandy: The massacre, WBC protests...it's all part of God's plan. God works in mysterious ways.

Just more proof that God is an asshole.


Please explain your idiotic and moronic comments. Because you sir, are the biggest asshole of them all.
 
2012-12-16 04:16:16 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Vuvuzelas are the only solution.
Really. Right in their faces.


This is just crazy enough to work
 
2012-12-16 04:16:58 PM

MBrady: Please explain your idiotic and moronic comments. Because you sir, are the biggest asshole of them all.


theatheistobserver.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-16 04:18:17 PM

kcoombs69: Just once I'd like to read a story to the effect of "WBC plans to picket interrupted by lack of airplane tickets" where every single airline simply refused to sell these people tickets.


Replacing 'lack of airplane tickets' with 'flamethrowers' would be wrong.
 
2012-12-16 04:19:38 PM
I for one would be happy to support a new Fark rule banninating links to stories about these clowns. The sooner everyone starts being oblivious to them, the sooner they will have to find a legitimate means to support themselves, like jobs and such. .
 
2012-12-16 04:21:03 PM
Someone should make these people disappear, if you know what I mean. I think you do.
 
2012-12-16 04:21:24 PM

Pumpernickel bread: I for one would be happy to support a new Fark rule banninating links to stories about these clowns. The sooner everyone starts being oblivious to them, the sooner they will have to find a legitimate means to support themselves, like jobs and such. .


That'll never happen, they'd lose too many pageviews. Same with every other news org. Westboro knows this, and they exploit it.
 
2012-12-16 04:25:24 PM

BronyMedic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Hmmmm.... at first glance, many or even most of those organizations appear to exist to promote various political agendas. To accomplish this their secondary goals involve helping people. The religious-based hospitals have the primary agenda of helping people, not changing their views.

[i.chzbgr.com image 447x433]


Hmmmmm.... when was the last time you were in a religious-based hospital (example, Hoag) and someone tried to convert you? AFAIK, never happened. If you have a different experience, please say so, else STFU.
 
2012-12-16 04:26:06 PM
Why is it so difficult to stop these people? Harassment isn't protected by the Constitution.
 
2012-12-16 04:29:05 PM

StaleCoffee: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: The Southern Dandy: The massacre, WBC protests...it's all part of God's plan. God works in mysterious ways.

Just more proof that God is an asshole.

Nice straw man.

1 Samuel 15:2-3

Deuteronomy 2:34; 3:6; 20:16-18

Joshua 6:15-21


So..... you actually believe that a bunch of propaganda statements promulgated as the Word of God to justify the barbarian excesses of a wandering tribe of sheep herders is actually the word of God?

Really?
 
2012-12-16 04:33:30 PM

blottoman: Bastards. I hope this guy shows up... 
[arrowheadequipment.webs.com image 850x489]


I love you and everything you stand for!!!
 
2012-12-16 04:39:08 PM
300 million guns, and it's children who get killed.

Dear US gun-nuts, I have an idea...
 
2012-12-16 04:50:58 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: grimlock1972: WBC is nothing but a scum filled hate group of religious nut cases that should have its assets seized to prevent them from doing this crap. shame that's not legal.

No, not a shame. Our freedoms need to be applied to everyone, equally. We see them as evil. But what would you do if someone saw you as evil? We see them as a detriment to society and beyond saving. Much of the same has been said about minorities and groups like the LBGT community. There is no universal right and wrong, there are only opinions. We are the majority. We'd think differently about whose rights should be removed if we weren't. It's not the rights of the popular that need protecting.

The WBC walk the line between exercising their rights and causing harm. But until they move firmly into the harm category we need to appreciate that they are free to be assholes. As the old saying goes, I may not agree with what they say, but I'll defend to the death their right to say it.

/but on a personal level, fark them all. I don't wish for their deaths but I wont be too upset if something happens to them.



I understand what all our rights are but that doesn't mean i like what a travesty some folks use those rights to commit.
 
2012-12-16 05:09:19 PM

dramboxf: I thought I remembered that back in the 80s, one of the white supremacist groups that were preaching about killing non-whites got slammed with a hate-speech charge. They claimed religious freedom but the courts said, nah -- hating for hate's sake isn't religion.

Isn't that the case here? Can't WBC be nailed for hate speech?


You better hope you can't get arrested for hate speech for saying those kinds of things because I see someone on Fark talking about hating Christians many times every day. They go so far as to suggest Christians should be killed and everything in between. These people don't even get banned for 24 hours from Fark. You should probably try to do something about the alarming hate speech on Fark before you try to venture out.
 
2012-12-16 05:12:27 PM
Is anyone actually surprised?
 
2012-12-16 05:23:07 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Hmmmmm.... when was the last time you were in a religious-based hospital (example, Hoag) and someone tried to convert you? AFAIK, never happened. If you have a different experience, please say so, else STFU.


Name the last time Medicens San Frontiers tried to convert someone to, well, anything.

Religious Homeless Shelters are very well known for refusing to allow people to stay if they do not attend a religious service, and the Salvation Army is notorious for refusing to help LGBT homeless.
 
2012-12-16 05:24:01 PM

justtray: Plonk


Same here, I already had him tagged as brand new polititroll but that screed went over the line of any semblance of patience I have with twits.
 
2012-12-16 05:34:58 PM
The solution to these litigation trolls is simple. Just let god protect them, no police presence no police protection when they protest. Sooner or later one or with luck all of them will meet someone angry enough to do what must be done. For god.
 
2012-12-16 05:40:45 PM

Mija: dramboxf: I thought I remembered that back in the 80s, one of the white supremacist groups that were preaching about killing non-whites got slammed with a hate-speech charge. They claimed religious freedom but the courts said, nah -- hating for hate's sake isn't religion.

Isn't that the case here? Can't WBC be nailed for hate speech?

You better hope you can't get arrested for hate speech for saying those kinds of things because I see someone on Fark talking about hating Christians many times every day. They go so far as to suggest Christians should be killed and everything in between. These people don't even get banned for 24 hours from Fark. You should probably try to do something about the alarming hate speech on Fark before you try to venture out.


I don't advocate killing christians. However, since the WBC isn't christian, I don't see a conflict here.
 
2012-12-16 05:49:31 PM

davidphogan: glassgnost: New petition: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-petitioning-funerals-il legal/zl93jC5w

Yeah, we should start infringing freedom of speech as well. Hell, we should just shred the entire Constitution so this never happens again.


There are already common limitations on the "freedom of speech", such as not yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. They teach that one to seven-year-olds.

Try yelling "bomb" in an airport some time.
 
2012-12-16 05:52:58 PM
Ah, here we go:

http://freethinker.co.uk/2012/08/14/how-to-silence-an-annoying-street - preacher-flash-him-your-tits/
 
2012-12-16 05:56:23 PM

Devolving_Spud: dramboxf: Isn't that the case here? Can't WBC be nailed for hate speech?

This has probably been posted already, so my apologies if it's a repeat:

Petition to Legally recognize WBC as a hate group


Signed. #50,955
 
2012-12-16 05:56:52 PM

Osomatic: There is actually no low to which these people can sink. Because they're not in it for their supposed beliefs, they're in it for a living. They employ full-time lawyers to file applications for demonstrations. Many are denied, and so then they file lawsuits under the first amendment - but of course they will usually settle for some money. This is what these people do. When they actually show up to "protest," they are usually there for about 30 minutes or less and then they get the heck out of there.

Therefore, the VERY best thing that we can all do is allow them to do whatever the hell they want. Let them hold up their signs, and laugh at them. They don't mean it. They've almost never meant it. Let them do their thing and laugh and laugh and laugh at them. But always let them do their thing. Because it is only in not being allowed that they make their dough. They must always be allowed. It is so irriating, I know. But they must always always be allowed.

Because if they have nobody to sue, they will eventually have to go away, because they won't have any money.


Not that I'm defending these people, but do you have any link to support this oft repeated claim that making money is the motive here? I know that you don't because I've actually looked into this, spending quite a bit of time searching for any instance for which these farktards were able to sufficiently fund a lifetime of trolling a**holeishness. And since I know that you don't have these links, you are distracting people from the true horror of WBC klan: that they truly believe in their cause under a group sociopathy. So, please stop perpetrating this myth that they are in it for the money. They aren't. They are in it because they believe in what they are doing, which is more sad than a money motive.
 
2012-12-16 06:25:58 PM
Where and when? I'm on vacation in upstate New York and perfectly happy to travel to be part of a human screen.
 
2012-12-16 06:27:02 PM

Canton: monty666: So is this what all Christians are like?

Speaking as a non-Christian related with and friends with many actual Christians, the WBC is not Christian. They call themselves Christian, sure, but seriously, would Jesus do this? No, I think Jesus would be part of the counter-protests. But of course that's just speculation. What do I know?

/Yes, WWJD is a fine standard.


By that metric, Christianity is a minority religion.

/But we already knew that.
 
2012-12-16 06:31:15 PM

DIGITALgimpus: How is it the Bush administration was so good at setting up free speech zones to keep protesters away from the president and thus the media seeing them, but we can't find a way to keep these nuts away from a funeral?


Same reason why liberal protesters get beaten and pepper sprayed and the tea partiers, Klan, and other right wing nut jobs are almost always left alone: at some level, the cops agree with them and their message

OgreMagi: However, since the WBC isn't christian


I disagree. They are just as Christian as any other sect that espouses Calvinist theology and Biblical literalism. And I'll wager they have a MUCH better grasp of theology than most other Bible beaters, considering that they've taken every theological argument of the last 2 millenniums and consciously chosen the most evil / least rational position in every single one.

They are the pure distillation of the poison that is present in every Christian sect.
 
2012-12-16 06:32:36 PM

jasonvatch: Dear God, could you send the next gun-toting whack-job to WBC for a visit?


If that happened, I would take up the veil and join a convent. It would prove beyond all doubt there IS in fact a god.
 
2012-12-16 06:47:53 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: BronyMedic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Hmmmm.... at first glance, many or even most of those organizations appear to exist to promote various political agendas. To accomplish this their secondary goals involve helping people. The religious-based hospitals have the primary agenda of helping people, not changing their views.

[i.chzbgr.com image 447x433]

Hmmmmm.... when was the last time you were in a religious-based hospital (example, Hoag) and someone tried to convert you? AFAIK, never happened. If you have a different experience, please say so, else STFU.



There are worse things than conversion attempts. Try a "rescue mission" where the homeless are forced to sit and listen to a self-professed "man of God" cite John 3:16, then go on to tell them that they are homeless BECAUSE THEY ARE SINNERS...and then have the police called in to arrest someone who dared to complain.
 
2012-12-16 06:51:45 PM

Osomatic: There is actually no low to which these people can sink. Because they're not in it for their supposed beliefs, they're in it for a living. They employ full-time lawyers to file applications for demonstrations. Many are denied, and so then they file lawsuits under the first amendment - but of course they will usually settle for some money. This is what these people do. When they actually show up to "protest," they are usually there for about 30 minutes or less and then they get the heck out of there.

Therefore, the VERY best thing that we can all do is allow them to do whatever the hell they want. Let them hold up their signs, and laugh at them. They don't mean it. They've almost never meant it. Let them do their thing and laugh and laugh and laugh at them. But always let them do their thing. Because it is only in not being allowed that they make their dough. They must always be allowed. It is so irriating, I know. But they must always always be allowed.

Because if they have nobody to sue, they will eventually have to go away, because they won't have any money.


With the tax breaks they get, they'll end up with more money than you seem to think. I'm guessing that a lot of cash passes through their hands as well. When was the last time you heard of anyone auditing a church?

They get a pass. Corporations and individuals are accountable to the IRS.

You must be one of them.
 
2012-12-16 06:56:09 PM

clyph: DIGITALgimpus: How is it the Bush administration was so good at setting up free speech zones to keep protesters away from the president and thus the media seeing them, but we can't find a way to keep these nuts away from a funeral?

Same reason why liberal protesters get beaten and pepper sprayed and the tea partiers, Klan, and other right wing nut jobs are almost always left alone: at some level, the cops agree with them and their message

OgreMagi: However, since the WBC isn't christian

I disagree. They are just as Christian as any other sect that espouses Calvinist theology and Biblical literalism. And I'll wager they have a MUCH better grasp of theology than most other Bible beaters, considering that they've taken every theological argument of the last 2 millenniums and consciously chosen the most evil / least rational position in every single one.

They are the pure distillation of the poison that is present in every Christian sect.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLH7LHrYpLs
 
2012-12-16 07:04:34 PM
Calling all Patriot Guard Riders. Please report to Newtown, CT and surround the entire town in black leather and chrome.
 
2012-12-16 07:20:47 PM
I'm calling it right now. If this doesn't drive people to wipe them out, nothing will.
 
2012-12-16 07:26:25 PM

glassgnost: davidphogan: glassgnost: New petition: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-petitioning-funerals-il legal/zl93jC5w

Yeah, we should start infringing freedom of speech as well. Hell, we should just shred the entire Constitution so this never happens again.

There are already common limitations on the "freedom of speech", such as not yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. They teach that one to seven-year-olds.

Try yelling "bomb" in an airport some time.


Protesting is not yelling fire in a crowded theater or bomb in an airport. Try again.
 
2012-12-16 07:26:56 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: DancingElkCondor: Westboro are Democrats

As is 9/10ths of the people in this thread, ALL of whom are expressing disgust with the WBC. You have no point.


I think the point was that folks were pointing to WBC and trying to tie them exclusively to right-wing GOPers. That the Phelps are (or were) democrats means nothing. There are plenty of single-issue voters out there. WBC can be right-wing whackjobs and still vote D to support one or two fo the interests that keep them at the top of satan's underwear drawer. 

Similarly there are liberals who vote R for specific reasons.
 
2012-12-16 07:27:53 PM

Weaver95: are they TRYING to get themselves murdered?

WBC: 'we have rights! we can protest anywhere!'
locals: 'a-yup. say sheriff, why don't you go check out the north forty. I hear martha's out that way with a flat tire.'
sheriff: 'why sure, I'll head on out there for while. might take me all day though, that martha...she's got terrible car troubles.'
WBC: 'um...hey, we' got rights. you have to stay here to protect us!'
sheriff: 'you don't look like your in any danger, right fellas?'
locals: 'oh they're fine. just fine.'
sheriff: 'ok then, see you all tomorrow! [drives off]'
WBC: 'well um...ok then, I guess we'll just be going now...'
locals: 'why don't we help you to the elevator'
WBC: 'hey! we're on the first floor! and we got rights! WE'LL SUE!
locals: 'well you'll try anyways...boys, go pry open them doors on the 10th floor. we'll move 'em up in batches...'
WBC: [screams] *dies*


I love you. Will you have my babies?
 
2012-12-16 07:30:45 PM
Jesus would have sent them home to talk to HIS dad.
 
2012-12-16 07:39:34 PM
There's actually a view that the Good exists outside the domain of humanity and would still exist even if all humans were dead.

There are several variants of the view. None of the arguments here about the basis of morality have been especially appealing, but there's one more to consider. Many smart people have ended up thinking about it, at least.
 
2012-12-16 07:44:40 PM

Weaver95: are they TRYING to get themselves murdered?

WBC: 'we have rights! we can protest anywhere!'
locals: 'a-yup. say sheriff, why don't you go check out the north forty. I hear martha's out that way with a flat tire.'
sheriff: 'why sure, I'll head on out there for while. might take me all day though, that martha...she's got terrible car troubles.'
WBC: 'um...hey, we' got rights. you have to stay here to protect us!'
sheriff: 'you don't look like your in any danger, right fellas?'
locals: 'oh they're fine. just fine.'
sheriff: 'ok then, see you all tomorrow! [drives off]'
WBC: 'well um...ok then, I guess we'll just be going now...'
locals: 'why don't we help you to the elevator'
WBC: 'hey! we're on the first floor! and we got rights! WE'LL SUE!
locals: 'well you'll try anyways...boys, go pry open them doors on the 10th floor. we'll move 'em up in batches...'
WBC: [screams] *dies*


That almost happened when they tried to protest that mine disaster in Charleston WV. Bunch of miners had them backed up against a fence overlooking the Charleston River and suddenly there were no cops anywhere in sight. The raw fear on the "protestors" faces was a beautiful thing to see.

There was another case in Wisconsin, less dramatic, where their tires got spiked, and the local tire shop declined to replace them, pointing to the "We reserve the right to refuse service" sign prominently posted in their office.

Someday, these douchebags are going to go too far. They really are.
 
2012-12-16 07:46:48 PM
There's another petition that might have more effect than just labeling WBC as a hate group.

Have the government remove their 501c(3) status.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/remove-westboro-baptist-chu r chs-501c3-tax-exempt-status-and-make-it-retroactive/kmYR4DTL
 
2012-12-16 07:49:00 PM

styckx: soupafi: If they do i predict something very bad happening to them FSM willing

As one of the Boobiess said. This will indeed be the straw that breaks the camels back.. You can only troll so much before someone trolls you back in a much more vicious manner.


I would be disappointed if this was the case. One of the best things you can do in life is to try to be the better person. It takes strength, especially with a bunch of people egging you on to take your sweet, sweet revenge.

Beating someone for holding a disrespectful sign is hardly an achievement.

If anything we should be rallying to support the families and friends of the kids whose funerals are being protested. WBC doesn't even matter. But I bet a double-digit percentage the people here are fantisizing about someone beating or murdering WBC members.

I understand that few here would really beat or kill WBC protesters. But wishing that someone else would do it-- (especially someone who is very vulnerable) is pretty low. 

WBC doesn't matter. Spend your time and energy doing something that does matter.
 
2012-12-16 07:49:11 PM

davidphogan: glassgnost: davidphogan: glassgnost: New petition: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-petitioning-funerals-il legal/zl93jC5w

Yeah, we should start infringing freedom of speech as well. Hell, we should just shred the entire Constitution so this never happens again.

There are already common limitations on the "freedom of speech", such as not yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. They teach that one to seven-year-olds.

Try yelling "bomb" in an airport some time.

Protesting is not yelling fire in a crowded theater or bomb in an airport. Try again.


I thought we were discussing restraints on Second Amendment rights. Therefore, citing a common restraint on First Amendment rights seemed suitable suggestion that the Second is eligible as well.

Of course, we could always draft a new Amendment to modify or replace the Second, and put it to a vote. But of course, you can probably see that coming a mile away, hence the belligerent huffing and puffing, trying to swerve away that point, which I'm seeing from the NRA crowd in general.
 
2012-12-16 07:50:28 PM

grimlock1972: I understand what all our rights are but that doesn't mean i like what a travesty some folks use those rights to commit.


You're disappointed that it's not legal to strip them of what they own in order to stop them. You shouldn't want that. Think of how this country would be if everything group that was unpopular were stopped by the government. Think about the major movements throughout history that would have never happened. Safe and fair work conditions and hours, child labor, women's suffrage, end of alcohol prohibition, civil rights movement, gay rights movement, every war protest ever, etc. We can't strip down people just because they do unpopular things with their rights.

I'm not saying that you have to like it. I don't like it either. But so long as they stay within their rights we have to accept it. We can't do anything until they do something undeniably illegal. It has to be concrete. Remember, we're dealing with a family of lawyers.
 
ecl
2012-12-16 07:56:03 PM

DanZero: mikemoto: Yes, admins, thanks for greenlighting this. Because if there's one thing these asshats need, it's more publicity.

[img.photobucket.com image 354x326]


I've been looking for that image. Did you make that one too?
 
2012-12-16 08:02:33 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: StaleCoffee: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: The Southern Dandy: The massacre, WBC protests...it's all part of God's plan. God works in mysterious ways.

Just more proof that God is an asshole.

Nice straw man.

1 Samuel 15:2-3

Deuteronomy 2:34; 3:6; 20:16-18

Joshua 6:15-21

So..... you actually believe that a bunch of propaganda statements promulgated as the Word of God to justify the barbarian excesses of a wandering tribe of sheep herders is actually the word of God?

Really?


Not my book, not my problem.
 
2012-12-16 08:08:30 PM

ecl: DanZero: mikemoto: Yes, admins, thanks for greenlighting this. Because if there's one thing these asshats need, it's more publicity.

[img.photobucket.com image 354x326]

I've been looking for that image. Did you make that one too?


Not this one man. I stole it because it looked a lot better than the Dawson's Creek guy crying.
 
2012-12-16 08:11:42 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: StaleCoffee: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: The Southern Dandy: The massacre, WBC protests...it's all part of God's plan. God works in mysterious ways.

Just more proof that God is an asshole.

Nice straw man.

1 Samuel 15:2-3

Deuteronomy 2:34; 3:6; 20:16-18

Joshua 6:15-21

So..... you actually believe that a bunch of propaganda statements promulgated as the Word of God to justify the barbarian excesses of a wandering tribe of sheep herders is actually the word of God?

Really?


I thought everything in the Bible was the Word of God. Now only what you like is considered the Word of God? Or is this more of that "context" thing Christians keep falling back on when the contradictions, fallacies, and nastiness in the Bible is pointed out?

Also, Christians keep saying that the Old Testament only applies to Jews these days. So why do they keep printing Bibles with the OT in it?
 
2012-12-16 08:13:35 PM

glassgnost: davidphogan: glassgnost: davidphogan: glassgnost: New petition: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-petitioning-funerals-il legal/zl93jC5w

Yeah, we should start infringing freedom of speech as well. Hell, we should just shred the entire Constitution so this never happens again.

There are already common limitations on the "freedom of speech", such as not yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. They teach that one to seven-year-olds.

Try yelling "bomb" in an airport some time.

Protesting is not yelling fire in a crowded theater or bomb in an airport. Try again.

I thought we were discussing restraints on Second Amendment rights. Therefore, citing a common restraint on First Amendment rights seemed suitable suggestion that the Second is eligible as well.

Of course, we could always draft a new Amendment to modify or replace the Second, and put it to a vote. But of course, you can probably see that coming a mile away, hence the belligerent huffing and puffing, trying to swerve away that point, which I'm seeing from the NRA crowd in general.


You posted a link to a petition about making protesting funerals illegal. That's the First Amendment that you're advocating throwing out. Not the second. Yelling fire in a theater is not like protesting a funeral.

And you really think thirty-eight states are going to support modifying or replacing the Second Amendment?

Also, why do you think I'm an NRA member?
 
kth
2012-12-16 08:25:54 PM

common sense is an oxymoron: Connecticut jury instructions for claims of Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress

ohpleaseohpleaseohplease


I have always thought that this stuff is EXACTLY what IIED covers. If I remember correctly (although torts was over 15 years ago), case law indicates that a corpse will push you ever closer to the line of what is tortuous IIED. But, I am not a litigator.

They did protest my law school graduation, so I've got that going for me...
 
2012-12-16 08:43:22 PM
I'm wondering when a judge will send them off for a 48 hr psych eval.
 
2012-12-16 08:44:11 PM

Runs_With_Scissors_: That's what should happen tomorrow, instead of people screaming back at them.


The solution to offensive free speech is almost never censorship -- it is instead moe free speech.
 
2012-12-16 08:49:44 PM

Weaver95: WBC: [holding bloody nose] 'hey he hit me! i'll sue! you all saw it! you're all witnesses!'
locals: 'nope, we all saw you WBC guys swing first, then miss and fall down.'


WBC has, since the early '90s, always had dozens of videocameras running at every one of their protests.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-12-16 08:50:45 PM
"Can we shoot them now?"
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-16 08:52:05 PM

Valiente: If by a "few", you mean "hundreds of thousands", I would estimate you are correct.

Unfortunately, that's enough to form several hundred clubs, associations and parishes of farktards.


No. WBC has fewer than a hundred members.
 
2012-12-16 08:53:37 PM

Brick-House: Why couldn't Adam Lanza have gone and killed all the Westboro Baptist Church ass wipes? He would have been hailed a hero and had a national holiday named after him.


Nah. Phelps is in his 80s now. Making him a martyr would be far less effective than letting him continue to fade into irrelevance.
 
2012-12-16 08:53:46 PM
WBC will come to an end when they piss off enough folks and cause a riot.

it really cant happen soon enough.
 
2012-12-16 08:55:01 PM
I think the best solution for this situation is for the funeral services to be held a week or so before the announced date, so when the WBC shows up there's nobody else there.
 
2012-12-16 08:57:55 PM

DancingElkCondor: The Westboro Cult/Phelps Family are also all Bar Certified lawyers


Not any more. IIRC only one person in the entire family has not disbarred.
 
2012-12-16 09:05:21 PM
On the bright side, this might be the stunt they pull that goes too far and gets them all killed.
 
2012-12-16 09:10:04 PM
my first thought, as tastelessly sad as it was: I guess the death count isn't done growing yet. These fools are going to be murdered
 
2012-12-16 09:14:34 PM
I guess I can understand why the Patriot Guard only protects vets
The rest is up to us

From their website:

*** Connecticut Elementary Shootings ***

The recent, tragic shootings in Connecticut weigh heavy on us all. The Patriot Guard understands the anguish caused by such a calamity as this and our hearts go out to the family and friends of those affected by this horrific event.

We (PGR) receive hundreds of emails a day requesting the PGR to stand in honor at the planned services. However, the PGR is not a counter protest group. Our mission statement is clear and regrettably the circumstances surrounding this tragic event do not fall within our mission statement. For more details on our missions statement, please go to www.PatriotGuard.org and review the information located in the "About Us" section in the Site Navigation section.

Again, our hearts go out to all of the families of the affected families, and to the community as a whole, for this tremendous loss.

Patriot Guard Riders, Inc.
 
2012-12-16 09:16:43 PM
I would honestly be willing to do prison time for taking a baseball bat to these people.

Anybody want to buy me a plane ticket?
 
2012-12-16 09:16:49 PM
Another Fum Bowl!
 
2012-12-16 09:20:10 PM
Im seeing this pop up on FB a lot today (its a pic too, but im lazy and dont feel like reposting that - this is what it says tho)

THE BIKER COMMUNITY WILL STOP
THE WBC FROM ANY DISTURBANCES
DURING THE FUNERALS FOR THE 26
SANDY HOOK ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
LOSS OF LIVES DECEMBER 14 2012
IF YOU AGREE, PLEASE SHARE - TAG
 
2012-12-16 09:29:17 PM
If these Westboro Baptist assholes want to commit suicide so badly, why don't they just go Jonestown and leave the rest of us out of it?
 
2012-12-16 09:45:16 PM
I wonder what it's like to be IN the WBC...knowing basically everyone in an entire country hates you.

Do you talk to anyone but your fellow members? If not, that must get claustrophobic, there aren't that many of them afaik. But WTF would you say to outsiders?

Do they have business cards?

Must be like being in a cult...it's your entire identity.
 
2012-12-16 09:52:15 PM
WBC in Newtown for the funerals?

Sounds like a wonderful time for another tragic mass shooting event.
 
2012-12-16 09:53:56 PM

elffster: Im seeing this pop up on FB a lot today (its a pic too, but im lazy and dont feel like reposting that - this is what it says tho)

THE BIKER COMMUNITY WILL STOP
THE WBC FROM ANY DISTURBANCES
DURING THE FUNERALS FOR THE 26
SANDY HOOK ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
LOSS OF LIVES DECEMBER 14 2012
IF YOU AGREE, PLEASE SHARE - TAG


I've ridden with the PGR twice. Both times it was a sad privilege. Some of the most grizzled, tattooed guys have such a deep sense of respect and honor. This doesn't quite fit their mission but it would be awesome if every biker in New England encircled Newtown to keep those monsters away.

I lived in Monroe for a time and have been through Newtown often. An old friend lives there - he is a state trooper with a 9 year old. I can't imagine how he feels right now.
 
2012-12-16 09:59:16 PM

BronyMedic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Hmmmmm.... when was the last time you were in a religious-based hospital (example, Hoag) and someone tried to convert you? AFAIK, never happened. If you have a different experience, please say so, else STFU.

Name the last time Medicens San Frontiers tried to convert someone to, well, anything.

Religious Homeless Shelters are very well known for refusing to allow people to stay if they do not attend a religious service, and the Salvation Army is notorious for refusing to help LGBT homeless.


Actually, I am ok with the first part.. It is a RELIGIOUS homeless shelter. There are others which are not. If you think you will burst into flames, DON'T GO to a Religious homeless shelter. If you can't stomach some other person's belief system OR LACK OF BELIEF SYSTEM, DON'T GO.

That 2nd part I'm not thrilled about, however. Freedom of choice is what America is supposed to be about.
 
2012-12-16 10:11:15 PM
Tax exempt and Democratic supporters to boot.
/how charming.
 
2012-12-16 10:29:04 PM

diaphoresis: BronyMedic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Hmmmmm.... when was the last time you were in a religious-based hospital (example, Hoag) and someone tried to convert you? AFAIK, never happened. If you have a different experience, please say so, else STFU.

Name the last time Medicens San Frontiers tried to convert someone to, well, anything.

Religious Homeless Shelters are very well known for refusing to allow people to stay if they do not attend a religious service, and the Salvation Army is notorious for refusing to help LGBT homeless.

Actually, I am ok with the first part.. It is a RELIGIOUS homeless shelter. There are others which are not. If you think you will burst into flames, DON'T GO to a Religious homeless shelter. If you can't stomach some other person's belief system OR LACK OF BELIEF SYSTEM, DON'T GO.

That 2nd part I'm not thrilled about, however. Freedom of choice is what America is supposed to be about.


Didn't Jesus say to love and care for EVERYONE, no matter what? To let him and his dad do the judging and punishing? Why do Christians have such a hard time following their God and his Son's commands?
 
2012-12-16 10:34:42 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: Remember, we're dealing with a family of lawyers


Which makes them all that more reprehensible than just ordinary bible beaters.

Like deer, lawyers are an over-populated nuisance species. A controlled hunt with a reasonable bag limit is needed to cull the herd, keep it healthy, and prevent them from over-stressing the carrying capacity of the ecosystem.
 
2012-12-16 10:35:42 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Didn't Jesus say to love and care for EVERYONE, no matter what? To let him and his dad do the judging and punishing? Why do Christians have such a hard time following their God and his Son's commands?


They only read the parts of the bible that re-affirm their prejudices.
 
2012-12-16 10:48:11 PM

vabeard: Tax exempt and Democratic supporters to boot.
/how charming.


Did you strive to be the biggest prick in this thread?

You failed. You are a shrunken micro-prick.
 
2012-12-16 10:58:53 PM

glassgnost: Let's face it: Guns *are* the GOteaP's religion.

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Not all gun owners are Republicans. In fact, only about half of them are.
 
2012-12-16 11:02:08 PM

glassgnost: davidphogan: glassgnost: davidphogan: glassgnost: New petition: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-petitioning-funerals-il legal/zl93jC5w

Yeah, we should start infringing freedom of speech as well. Hell, we should just shred the entire Constitution so this never happens again.

There are already common limitations on the "freedom of speech", such as not yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. They teach that one to seven-year-olds.

Try yelling "bomb" in an airport some time.

Protesting is not yelling fire in a crowded theater or bomb in an airport. Try again.

I thought we were discussing restraints on Second Amendment rights. Therefore, citing a common restraint on First Amendment rights seemed suitable suggestion that the Second is eligible as well.

Of course, we could always draft a new Amendment to modify or replace the Second, and put it to a vote. But of course, you can probably see that coming a mile away, hence the belligerent huffing and puffing, trying to swerve away that point, which I'm seeing from the NRA crowd in general.


35 States. Wouldn't happen.
 
2012-12-16 11:15:51 PM

freetomato: vabeard: Tax exempt and Democratic supporters to boot.
/how charming.

Did you strive to be the biggest prick in this thread?

You failed. You are a shrunken micro-prick.


One the plus side, this thread has been great for updating my ignore list. I know some people don't, but for threads like the one when this was all going down, it does wonders for helping find real information.
 
2012-12-16 11:48:23 PM

BronyMedic: mr_a: Normally I just ignore these morons and hope they go away, but this time I actually hope they show up and get their butts kicked.

So do they. There's a lucrative pay day at stake here, and the coffers are going empty in Westboro!

/yes. let's give the professional lawsuit trolls more of what they want.


I would not settle out of court and let the jury decide. I would walk free.
 
2012-12-17 12:06:31 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Where are the loons with weapons when we really need them?


in church
 
2012-12-17 12:11:29 AM

CtrlAltDestroy: grimlock1972: I understand what all our rights are but that doesn't mean i like what a travesty some folks use those rights to commit.

You're disappointed that it's not legal to strip them of what they own in order to stop them. You shouldn't want that. Think of how this country would be if everything group that was unpopular were stopped by the government. Think about the major movements throughout history that would have never happened. Safe and fair work conditions and hours, child labor, women's suffrage, end of alcohol prohibition, civil rights movement, gay rights movement, every war protest ever, etc. We can't strip down people just because they do unpopular things with their rights.

I'm not saying that you have to like it. I don't like it either. But so long as they stay within their rights we have to accept it. We can't do anything until they do something undeniably illegal. It has to be concrete. Remember, we're dealing with a family of lawyers.


no not disappointed that its not legal to stop them spouting their hate, just disappointed they do not have the common decency to respect the dead.
 
2012-12-17 12:12:19 AM
The Southern Dandy: indarwinsshadow: The Southern Dandy: indarwinsshadow: diaphoresis: indarwinsshadow: Proving that once again. Humanity = Sh*t

Blame God. I do.

I don't. We're the crazy ones. If there's a God, and I think there is, I think he's a casual observer now. He kept his word on the non interference pact, he's just watching us make a f*cking mess of the gift that he gave us. We've messed it up. Blame us. Not him.

If he's impotent, why worship him? Why pray? He doesn't do anything.

I never said I worshiped him. I don't worship my own father and mother, but it doesn't mean I'm not respectful that I'm alive and glad they gave me the gift of life, and raised me to be a (hopefully) good individual. I'll be blunt. Up to 14 years ago I was devout atheist. Then my son died. I was going to kill myself because I couldn't take the grief. I asked for God's help, and I got it. I felt better. That's just me. Everyone's experience is different. I absolutely believe in God. I don't blame him for anything. I made my life either good or bad. Things happen in life. Personally, I think it's foolish to think there's a God who would actually make good or bad things happen. I do believe that there's a God who kept his word after the flood. He swore an oath to never again interfere in mans destiny. He'd allow us our own choices of free will either way. It was up to us to make the right decisions. Most of us know the right decisions, we just choose to ignore it. It's us that's f*cked up. Not him. Life is not a video game. We're not pawns being used by God and Satan. We're individuals who are casually observed. It must disappoint the sh*t out of God to see how we abuse the gifts. Personally, I think people are sh*t a lot of times because they choose the wrong decision even though they know it's the wrong thing to do. We're stupid children.

Devout atheist?

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There was no world flood, God didn't help you, you helped yourself. God didn't give you life, your pare ...

I do speak for myself. I think you make your own mistakes as well. I also think you're trying to convince me of something I'm not going to be convinced about. I've made up my mind. I have all the proof I need. I won't ever try and cram what I believe down your throat, do a favour to this complete stranger and don't try and cram your beliefs or non beliefs down mine. Ask any question, if it's respectful and within reason, and I'll answer it as honestly and straight forward as I can. Treat me like you're somehow superior or with ridicule and I'll ignore you or taunt the crap out of you until I'm temporarily banned.

I don't care if you believe, or don't believe. Whatever blows your hair back. I'm just saying (my original point) is that "civilization" isn't civilized at all. We're not beyond our club swinging ancestors. We're barbaric, stupid, and haven't learned a damned thing yet. Westboro is the sh*t you find on the bottom of your shoe. There's something mentally wrong with them.


You both sound like The WBC.
 
2012-12-17 12:27:15 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Admins who green WBC submissions are worse than the WBC.

Stop giving these ignorant farksticks a platform. It has been obvious for years now that they exist solely to generate frivolous lawsuits by threatening outrageous acts, getting barred and then suing. Stop helping them with free advertising you shiat-for-brains


There is this thing called the first amendment. You may have heard of it. The freedom of the press part, I mean. Just because you don't like doesn't make it wrong.
 
2012-12-17 12:28:46 AM
Want to keep Phelps away from the funeral?

Keep the media away from the funeral.

The way the media whores out these incidents for ratings is even more ghoulish than what WBC does.
 
2012-12-17 12:34:48 AM

clane: You are brainwashed, not all Christians are evil, some dedicate their lives to good, some build hospitals, some feed the hungry, and some provide medicine to those in need. I drive down the road and see HUGE Christian hospitals with thousands and thousands of people working them.

All i see Liberals build are little Clinics where two go in and one comes out and thanks to Obamacare I get to help pay for that.


So you are saying no liberals are Christians? Kinds of a stretch, dontcha think?
 
2012-12-17 12:40:58 AM

MadHatter500: The best approach is withdraw attention and money from them. Once the train of suit settlement money goes negative (ie. they get shot down on all filings, and now they're in the hole) they'll stop and move on to something that is maybe economically positive.


This. I think the next logical move for them would be to grow carrots. There is big money in carrots these days.

/carrot grower
//not really
 
2012-12-17 12:58:33 AM

just_intonation: I'm an excellent driver: Isn't it kind of ironic that we despise and revile these attention whores for forcing their socially unacceptable views onto wider society, but at the same time we can't accept the need to start a dialogue about avoiding these completely avoidable tragedies without being branded either a "Gun Nut" or a "Liberal gun hater". I don't see that the bipolar hatred for each position on guns is any better than the WBC spewing hate wherever they show up.

/Only in America

We can't accept the need to start a *reasonable* dialogue because there are few if any *reasonable* people in positions of authority any longer. We have become a nation of black or white, left or right, liberal or conservative, right to life or right to choose, gun lovers or gun haters. We don't really have any choices any more about who we put into power or who assumes control because no reasonable people want to be put into those positions and have their lives dissected for the world to see. Few are willing to be reasonable because they have been told they can have it their way and it's their right to get what they want... so many have bought into that 'my way or the highway' philosophy, and the media feeds it completely.

That's just one man's opinion, of course. Let's see if we can have reasonable discssion about it. I'm betting we can't.


Challenge accepted.

Isn't the way it has always been? I have been wearing onions for a long time and have seen there is only polarization in most populations. I consider myself a middle of the road kind of person and it pisses people off to no end when I take that stance. Kind of like I'm not really a death penalty guy but in some cases I absolutely think it is the right thing to do.

In the case with the shooter I really wish he had lived, gone through trial and been sentenced. The prisoners would let nature take its course and justice would be served. At least he would have had to look a few parents in the face and maybe, just maybe, realize what he had done.

I'm all for the freedom of speech but if something were to happen to a few of the Westboro people I would not lose any sleep. There are some lines that are not to be stepped over. Sure, have your freedom but realize there could be consequences to your actions.

I am old enough to know there are exceptions to every rule. Don't take them lightly. In this case they may be taking on more than they can chew if they show up.

I watched the youtube series on them. Well, one or two episodes. They are truly sick human beings.
 
2012-12-17 01:07:06 AM

WippitGuud: The Southern Dandy: WippitGuud: The Southern Dandy: The massacre, WBC protests...it's all part of God's plan. God works in mysterious ways.

Just more proof that God is an asshole.

Or maybe we're all assholes, and God is looking for someone who isn't.

So he kills children (or stands by and let's it happen), and then has some other assholes torture the mourning families?
Yep, he's an asshole.
Either that, or he doesn't exist. There's really no middle ground.

If there's a God, then there's an afterlife (as there's no belief in God without one), so perhaps He knows death is not an end. So dying in this life doesn't affect him much.

On the other hand, if you own an ant farm, and a couple of the ants start attacking the rest, do you remove them? or just enjoy the show?


Nice! I like the ant farm analogy.
 
2012-12-17 01:14:27 AM

30yrs2l8: I guess crazy protects crazy cause no gun toting psycho ever goes after these idiots.

freedom of speech be damed. put these jerks in jail. the government seems to be able to find reasons to keep people in custody without charges in many cases. there has never been one more deserving than WBC.


Freedom of speech be damned! Put 30yrs218 in jail because I don't like what he/she says.

Fair is fair, right?
 
2012-12-17 01:15:41 AM
Judge not lest ye be judged

//It's no wonder Christianity looks as bad as it does sometimes, with fake christian idiots like this running around. How about you just show up and help?
 
2012-12-17 01:19:01 AM

ursomniac: There's another petition that might have more effect than just labeling WBC as a hate group.

Have the government remove their 501c(3) status.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/remove-westboro-baptist-chu r chs-501c3-tax-exempt-status-and-make-it-retroactive/kmYR4DTL



"God Sent The Shooter Taxman"
 
2012-12-17 01:22:03 AM
Fred Phelps is pretty much the IRL Emmanuel Goldstein.

I hope everyone here enjoyed another Two Minute Hate directed towards the WBC. Let's chat when you get your head out of your ass and realize these guys are completely harmless (at least compared to actual people who murder schoolchildren).
 
2012-12-17 01:24:27 AM

andyfromfl: I love when I read a post quoting someone stupid, and I think 'I don't remember seeing that,' and then realize that I've blocked the original person. My ignore list is huge, I wish more of us had ignore lists big enough to ignore the people who want attention on here so bad.


I don't have an ignore list. I don't mind reading things I disagree with.

But that's just me. YMMV.
 
2012-12-17 01:46:46 AM

Gyrfalcon: There was another case in Wisconsin, less dramatic, where their tires got spiked, and the local tire shop declined to replace them, pointing to the "We reserve the right to refuse service" sign prominently posted in their office.


I would have replaced them. Well, sold them.

WBC: We needs some tires to git home.
TS: Ok. No problem. $5,000 a tire.
WBC: WTF???
TS: You don't want to pay? Then you don't need to git home. BTW, who is that mob out there?
WBC: Ok, ok, but make it fast.
TS: Hey! I'll do what I can but I have my regulars to care for.
 
2012-12-17 01:55:27 AM

TommyDeuce: freetomato: vabeard: Tax exempt and Democratic supporters to boot.
/how charming.

Did you strive to be the biggest prick in this thread?

You failed. You are a shrunken micro-prick.

One the plus side, this thread has been great for updating my ignore list. I know some people don't, but for threads like the one when this was all going down, it does wonders for helping find real information.


Just how many people have ignore lists? How many don't like reading what they don't agree with?

/show of hands, please
 
2012-12-17 02:01:40 AM

BronyMedic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Hmmmmm.... when was the last time you were in a religious-based hospital (example, Hoag) and someone tried to convert you? AFAIK, never happened. If you have a different experience, please say so, else STFU.

Name the last time Medicens San Frontiers tried to convert someone to, well, anything.

Religious Homeless Shelters are very well known for refusing to allow people to stay if they do not attend a religious service, and the Salvation Army is notorious for refusing to help LGBT homeless.


>>>>Religious Homeless Shelters are very well known for refusing to allow people to stay if they do not attend a religious service,

It's their house, you play by their rules. If YOU (personally) were to invite a homeless person into YOUR house, would you set some ground rules?

You sound pretty liberal. Let's say you've got only one spare room and there are two homeless people, equally destitute, asking if they can crash at your house (assuming that you would even do that). One is a liberal Democrat; the other a conservative fundy-religious Republican. Which one are you gonna let stay?

>>>>and the Salvation Army is notorious for refusing to help LGBT homeless.

From my personal experience at a couple of SAs in OC, that is simply not true.
 
2012-12-17 02:14:44 AM

common sense is an oxymoron: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: BronyMedic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Hmmmm.... at first glance, many or even most of those organizations appear to exist to promote various political agendas. To accomplish this their secondary goals involve helping people. The religious-based hospitals have the primary agenda of helping people, not changing their views.

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Hmmmmm.... when was the last time you were in a religious-based hospital (example, Hoag) and someone tried to convert you? AFAIK, never happened. If you have a different experience, please say so, else STFU.


There are worse things than conversion attempts. Try a "rescue mission" where the homeless are forced to sit and listen to a self-professed "man of God" cite John 3:16, then go on to tell them that they are homeless BECAUSE THEY ARE SINNERS...and then have the police called in to arrest someone who dared to complain.


ZOMFG!!!!! You sound like this happened to you personally. That's terrible, horrible, inhuman!!! You poor poor precious snowflake! This is so much much much worse than, for example, having to sit in a core-requirements liberal arts class in college listening to a Leftist moron professor spewing out his particular line of horseshiat, then failing you unless you regurgitate it back to him in precisely the same manner on the tests. Or, to be fair, agreeing with your "Type A" boss on something even though you know it to be utter bullshiat. Same thing with a cop who stops you.

Arguing with The Man who has the power to fark you is stupid and adolescent. The ADULT thing you do is grin and bear it. You be a duck and let it slide off you. It's called Life. Deal with it.
 
2012-12-17 02:51:52 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: common sense is an oxymoron: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: BronyMedic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Hmmmm.... at first glance, many or even most of those organizations appear to exist to promote various political agendas. To accomplish this their secondary goals involve helping people. The religious-based hospitals have the primary agenda of helping people, not changing their views.

[i.chzbgr.com image 447x433]

Hmmmmm.... when was the last time you were in a religious-based hospital (example, Hoag) and someone tried to convert you? AFAIK, never happened. If you have a different experience, please say so, else STFU.


There are worse things than conversion attempts. Try a "rescue mission" where the homeless are forced to sit and listen to a self-professed "man of God" cite John 3:16, then go on to tell them that they are homeless BECAUSE THEY ARE SINNERS...and then have the police called in to arrest someone who dared to complain.

ZOMFG!!!!! You sound like this happened to you personally. That's terrible, horrible, inhuman!!! You poor poor precious snowflake! This is so much much much worse than, for example, having to sit in a core-requirements liberal arts class in college listening to a Leftist moron professor spewing out his particular line of horseshiat, then failing you unless you regurgitate it back to him in precisely the same manner on the tests. Or, to be fair, agreeing with your "Type A" boss on something even though you know it to be utter bullshiat. Same thing with a cop who stops you.

Arguing with The Man who has the power to fark you is stupid and adolescent. The ADULT thing you do is grin and bear it. You be a duck and let it slide off you. It's called Life. Deal with it.



I'm not the one who complained; I just saw it happen. You asked for an example. I gave you one.

And comparing this to a police stop, or a professor with whom you disagree (poor baby, did that happen to you?), is bullshiat unless the cop actually threatened to arrest you for your beliefs, or the professor called you out in front of the class for being a waste of oxygen.

Keep on kissing that authoritarian ass. Maybe you'll get a Dirty Sanchez as a reward.
 
2012-12-17 03:13:15 AM
Further clarification:

If you're pulled over by a cop, you can reasonably anticipate the possibility of authoritarian bullshiat.

If you're in a college lecture hall, you can reasonably anticipate having to regurgitate whatever the professor is teaching.

If you're in a "rescue mission" whose avowed purpose is to provide spiritual guidance to those unfortunate enough to have to attend (or else risk being arrested for sleeping on the streets), should you reasonably anticipate being told that Jesus died for everyone's sins but yours?
 
2012-12-17 05:07:46 AM
Didnt some biker dudes do a blockade before of these baptist s*** ea***s ? i hope they do again.
 
2012-12-17 05:30:50 AM

loudboy: Further proof that there is no God, just a bunch of us humans running around scared.


I don't really require dead first-graders to demonstrate that. The rest of my life so far is proof enough of the indifference of heaven. Do no harm, try to exercise kindness, and leave angry sky Hebrews with love for foreskins and not bacon out of it.

/please note: heaven is probably illusionary.
 
2012-12-17 05:35:27 AM

aagrajag: Where's a gun-wielding maniac when you actually need one?


Nearby, all the time. Welcome to America, land of the free.

Land of the responsible, not so much.
 
2012-12-17 07:39:47 AM

saturn badger: TommyDeuce: freetomato: vabeard: Tax exempt and Democratic supporters to boot.
/how charming.

Did you strive to be the biggest prick in this thread?

You failed. You are a shrunken micro-prick.

One the plus side, this thread has been great for updating my ignore list. I know some people don't, but for threads like the one when this was all going down, it does wonders for helping find real information.

Just how many people have ignore lists? How many don't like reading what they don't agree with?

/show of hands, please


Not so much for opposing views, as for "I'm gonna shiat this thread to see who I can piss off" types. I'll read things I don't agree with, but don't want to waste my time with the "Ha Ha - I troll you" crowd that seem to get their rocks off on how many replies they get.
 
2012-12-17 09:02:48 AM

saturn badger: clane: You are brainwashed, not all Christians are evil, some dedicate their lives to good, some build hospitals, some feed the hungry, and some provide medicine to those in need. I drive down the road and see HUGE Christian hospitals with thousands and thousands of people working them.

All i see Liberals build are little Clinics where two go in and one comes out and thanks to Obamacare I get to help pay for that.
===================================
So you are saying no liberals are Christians? Kinds of a stretch, dontcha think?


===================================
No not at all Michael Moore, Obama, Reverend Al Sharpton, about 78% of the Catholic's are Christian too... we have plenty of pretend Christians.
 
2012-12-17 09:17:57 AM

monty666: So is this what all Christians are like?


No, this is what hateful retards claiming to be Christians are like.
 
2012-12-17 10:54:30 AM

common sense is an oxymoron: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: common sense is an oxymoron: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: BronyMedic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Hmmmm.... at first glance, many or even most of those organizations appear to exist to promote various political agendas. To accomplish this their secondary goals involve helping people. The religious-based hospitals have the primary agenda of helping people, not changing their views.

[i.chzbgr.com image 447x433]

Hmmmmm.... when was the last time you were in a religious-based hospital (example, Hoag) and someone tried to convert you? AFAIK, never happened. If you have a different experience, please say so, else STFU.


There are worse things than conversion attempts. Try a "rescue mission" where the homeless are forced to sit and listen to a self-professed "man of God" cite John 3:16, then go on to tell them that they are homeless BECAUSE THEY ARE SINNERS...and then have the police called in to arrest someone who dared to complain.

ZOMFG!!!!! You sound like this happened to you personally. That's terrible, horrible, inhuman!!! You poor poor precious snowflake! This is so much much much worse than, for example, having to sit in a core-requirements liberal arts class in college listening to a Leftist moron professor spewing out his particular line of horseshiat, then failing you unless you regurgitate it back to him in precisely the same manner on the tests. Or, to be fair, agreeing with your "Type A" boss on something even though you know it to be utter bullshiat. Same thing with a cop who stops you.

Arguing with The Man who has the power to fark you is stupid and adolescent. The ADULT thing you do is grin and bear it. You be a duck and let it slide off you. It's called Life. Deal with it.


I'm not the one who complained; I just saw it happen. You asked for an example. I gave you one.

And comparing this to a police stop, or a professor with whom you disagree (poor baby, did that happen to you?), is bullshiat unless the cop actually threatened to arrest you for your beliefs, or the professor called you out in front of the class for being a waste of oxygen.

Keep on kissing that authoritarian ass. Maybe you'll get a Dirty Sanchez as a reward.


Oh my, did you read about that somewhere on the Internet and have been really really anxious to try it out as a kewl insult? LOL! So I see you got nuthin' else except diversion rhetoric.... Try to have a nice day. kthksby
 
2012-12-17 11:07:31 AM

CBFLATLINE: The Southern Dandy: indarwinsshadow: The Southern Dandy: indarwinsshadow: diaphoresis: indarwinsshadow: Proving that once again. Humanity = Sh*t

Blame God. I do.

I don't. We're the crazy ones. If there's a God, and I think there is, I think he's a casual observer now. He kept his word on the non interference pact, he's just watching us make a f*cking mess of the gift that he gave us. We've messed it up. Blame us. Not him.

If he's impotent, why worship him? Why pray? He doesn't do anything.

I never said I worshiped him. I don't worship my own father and mother, but it doesn't mean I'm not respectful that I'm alive and glad they gave me the gift of life, and raised me to be a (hopefully) good individual. I'll be blunt. Up to 14 years ago I was devout atheist. Then my son died. I was going to kill myself because I couldn't take the grief. I asked for God's help, and I got it. I felt better. That's just me. Everyone's experience is different. I absolutely believe in God. I don't blame him for anything. I made my life either good or bad. Things happen in life. Personally, I think it's foolish to think there's a God who would actually make good or bad things happen. I do believe that there's a God who kept his word after the flood. He swore an oath to never again interfere in mans destiny. He'd allow us our own choices of free will either way. It was up to us to make the right decisions. Most of us know the right decisions, we just choose to ignore it. It's us that's f*cked up. Not him. Life is not a video game. We're not pawns being used by God and Satan. We're individuals who are casually observed. It must disappoint the sh*t out of God to see how we abuse the gifts. Personally, I think people are sh*t a lot of times because they choose the wrong decision even though they know it's the wrong thing to do. We're stupid children.

Devout atheist?

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You know, I haven't had anyone lick my arse today. Why don't you take a stab at it sh*t for brains?
 
2012-12-17 11:08:22 AM

CBFLATLINE: The Southern Dandy: indarwinsshadow: The Southern Dandy: indarwinsshadow: diaphoresis: indarwinsshadow: Proving that once again. Humanity = Sh*t

Blame God. I do.

I don't. We're the crazy ones. If there's a God, and I think there is, I think he's a casual observer now. He kept his word on the non interference pact, he's just watching us make a f*cking mess of the gift that he gave us. We've messed it up. Blame us. Not him.

If he's impotent, why worship him? Why pray? He doesn't do anything.

I never said I worshiped him. I don't worship my own father and mother, but it doesn't mean I'm not respectful that I'm alive and glad they gave me the gift of life, and raised me to be a (hopefully) good individual. I'll be blunt. Up to 14 years ago I was devout atheist. Then my son died. I was going to kill myself because I couldn't take the grief. I asked for God's help, and I got it. I felt better. That's just me. Everyone's experience is different. I absolutely believe in God. I don't blame him for anything. I made my life either good or bad. Things happen in life. Personally, I think it's foolish to think there's a God who would actually make good or bad things happen. I do believe that there's a God who kept his word after the flood. He swore an oath to never again interfere in mans destiny. He'd allow us our own choices of free will either way. It was up to us to make the right decisions. Most of us know the right decisions, we just choose to ignore it. It's us that's f*cked up. Not him. Life is not a video game. We're not pawns being used by God and Satan. We're individuals who are casually observed. It must disappoint the sh*t out of God to see how we abuse the gifts. Personally, I think people are sh*t a lot of times because they choose the wrong decision even though they know it's the wrong thing to do. We're stupid children.

Devout atheist?

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What's that? Never mind. You're moms here. She said she'd do it.
 
2012-12-17 11:14:10 AM

common sense is an oxymoron: Further clarification:

If you're pulled over by a cop, you can reasonably anticipate the possibility of authoritarian bullshiat.

If you're in a college lecture hall, you can reasonably anticipate having to regurgitate whatever the professor is teaching.

If you're in a "rescue mission" whose avowed purpose is to provide spiritual guidance to those unfortunate enough to have to attend (or else risk being arrested for sleeping on the streets), should you reasonably anticipate being told that Jesus died for everyone's sins but yours?


Actually, yes. Their house, their rules.
 
2012-12-17 11:19:11 AM
LOL! I see where anonymous has decided to take out wbc.

Link
 
2012-12-17 11:36:14 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: common sense is an oxymoron: Further clarification:

If you're pulled over by a cop, you can reasonably anticipate the possibility of authoritarian bullshiat.

If you're in a college lecture hall, you can reasonably anticipate having to regurgitate whatever the professor is teaching.

If you're in a "rescue mission" whose avowed purpose is to provide spiritual guidance to those unfortunate enough to have to attend (or else risk being arrested for sleeping on the streets), should you reasonably anticipate being told that Jesus died for everyone's sins but yours?

Actually, yes. Their house, their rules.



What "rules" should a "Christian" mission follow other than what is supposedly the Word of God? This was WBC-level trolling of a captive audience.

/god hates the homeless
 
2012-12-17 11:58:16 AM
Repo Man: cig-mkr: This just has to be Bull Shait, even they wouldn't sink that low.

I'd say they hit rock bottom many years ago when they picketed Matthew Shepard's funeral. Nothing is beyond a group that would do that.


I disagree, back then they were Conservative role models. It's only when they started picketing the funerals of soldiers that other Conservatives started speaking out against them.
 
2012-12-17 12:06:41 PM
clane: BronyMedic: clane: You are brainwashed, not all Christians are evil, some dedicate their lives to good, some build hospitals, some feed the hungry, and some provide medicine to those in need. I drive down the road and see HUGE Christian hospitals with thousands and thousands of people working them.

All i see Liberals build are little Clinics where two go in and one comes out and thanks to Obamacare I get to help pay for that.

As far as the Westboro Baptist Church goes these are insane people that found a way to abuse the First Amendment. I just wish all of their mothers would have visited one of your clinics years ago.

WOW. That is powerful punditry.

Oh, you mean those clinics which provide free-of-cost reproductive healthcare, STD treatment, and safe sex education and protection measures to prevent abortions in the first place to people who otherwise couldn't afford to be treated, and who's patient population makes up 90+% Of their visits, with only a small fraction requesting abortive services?

Or the fact that far more abortions occur at private, unaffiliated clinics in the United States than Planned Parenthood?

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your right, i stand corrected all christians are evil all Liberals that spend billions of tax dollers handing out money are good... got it

You just proved a point that I had made in previous threads, that being Conservatives are pussies that can't take a small portion of the crap they throw out at other people.
 
2012-12-17 12:22:09 PM

common sense is an oxymoron: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: common sense is an oxymoron: Further clarification:

If you're pulled over by a cop, you can reasonably anticipate the possibility of authoritarian bullshiat.

If you're in a college lecture hall, you can reasonably anticipate having to regurgitate whatever the professor is teaching.

If you're in a "rescue mission" whose avowed purpose is to provide spiritual guidance to those unfortunate enough to have to attend (or else risk being arrested for sleeping on the streets), should you reasonably anticipate being told that Jesus died for everyone's sins but yours?

Actually, yes. Their house, their rules.


What "rules" should a "Christian" mission follow other than what is supposedly the Word of God? This was WBC-level trolling of a captive audience.

/god hates the homeless


Sigh. First, I've personally attended dozens of these breakfast/lunches/dinners at various places, some in churches, some in parking lots, some in parks. And, yes, there is usually a prayer session. I suppose if you're a fundy atheist you're face oozes sores and your brain melts if you hear one of those, but for the rest of those who don't believe, you just close your eyes and go with the flow (its the polite thing to do; like I said, their house, their rules). I've run into the hellfire/brimstone/you're a sinner crowd TWICE in all those times. Again, just be a duck. But the Message is usually one of hope, thanks and request for Divine help in reaching those homeless who are in that situation due to drugs or booze.

FYI: from my personal experience here in OC over the last year, the reasons for homelessness break down very roughly as follows:

50% no farking work, couldn't make the rent (this is the "upper/middle classes" of the homeless); they usually have at least a car to sleep in. We have a truck with camper shell (room for just the bed), so we are "middle" class. Those with actually RVs or large campers are "upper class."

25% drug use, including alcohol

10% schizophrenia or other mental illness (won't take meds 'cause its a PLOT) (THANKS, ACLU!)

10% criminal history, can't find jobs. One of our best friends is a 35 year old guy who did 8 years in Soledad for home invasion, illegal weapons possession, and being a gang enforcer. (I'm fairly sure this is true, since I had a Santa Ana cop tell me about him, privately, in an effort to get me to stop hanging around with him.) He's straightened up, I'm pretty sure, but can't get a job anywhere except with the gangs, which he refuses to do. I'd farking trust my life with him.

5% convicted pedos who can't find any place to live that is the required distance away from places where kids are.
 
2012-12-17 12:29:53 PM
i understand ignoring them will be better in the long run, but if i were a grieving parent, i would have trouble ignoring them.
blocking them (like the "angels" do) is a much better idea. and it shows that there are good people in the world, who care enough to take time out of their day to help someone they don't know.
 
2012-12-17 12:42:01 PM
because enough children didn't die? i'm afraid to ask what they are going to protest...
 
2012-12-17 01:10:16 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: common sense is an oxymoron: What "rules" should a "Christian" mission follow other than what is supposedly the Word of God? This was WBC-level trolling of a captive audience.

/god hates the homeless

Sigh. First, I've personally attended dozens of these breakfast/lunches/dinners at various places, some in churches, some in parking lots, some in parks. And, yes, there is usually a prayer session. I suppose if you're a fundy atheist you're face oozes sores and your brain melts if you hear one of those, but for the rest of those who don't believe, you just close your eyes and go with the flow (its the polite thing to do; like I said, their house, their rules). I've run into the hellfire/brimstone/you're a sinner crowd TWICE in all those times. Again, just be a duck. But the Message is usually one of hope, thanks and request for Divine help in reaching those homeless who are in that situation due to drugs or booze.



As I said, I'm not the one who flipped out over this. And an outdoor soup kitchen, where you can simply walk away and skip a meal if you feel offended, is hardly the same as a rescue mission where your choices are essentially to stay and be insulted (to be fair, this only happened once, but it should never have happened at all), or leave and get arrested for vagrancy.

Prayer is expected at a gospel mission. A generalized attack on the behavior of everyone in attendance is not. If you can't tell the difference, you just might believe the WBC should be praised for telling the Truth.


FYI: from my personal experience here in OC over the last year, the reasons for homelessness break down very roughly as follows:

50% no farking work, couldn't make the rent (this is the "upper/middle classes" of the homeless); they usually have at least a car to sleep in. We have a truck with camper shell (room for just the bed), so we are "middle" class. Those with actually RVs or large campers are "upper class."

25% drug use, including alcohol

10% schizophrenia or other mental illness (won't take meds 'cause its a PLOT) (THANKS, ACLU!)

10% criminal history, can't find jobs. One of our best friends is a 35 year old guy who did 8 years in Soledad for home invasion, illegal weapons possession, and being a gang enforcer. (I'm fairly sure this is true, since I had a Santa Ana cop tell me about him, privately, in an effort to get me to stop hanging around with him.) He's straightened up, I'm pretty sure, but can't get a job anywhere except with the gangs, which he refuses to do. I'd farking trust my life with him.

5% convicted pedos who can't find any place to live that is the required distance away from places where kids are.



So if you don't at least have someplace to sleep, you're probably a druggie, a nutcase, a convict, or a pedo; and the exceptions are rare enough that a blanket condemnation constitutes "divine help."

I could say the same thing about Republicans: If you agree with them, you're a fool, a nutcase, or just willfully ignorant, and the exceptions are rare enough that a blanket condemnation is perfectly appropriate. How does that work out for you?

You're going to great lengths to defend this sort of stereotyping, while claiming that your brand of homelessness is somehow superior. Why?
 
2012-12-17 05:24:02 PM
I think when I get into my 70s I am going to visit Kansas and show them just what Righteous Judgment is.
 
2012-12-17 06:02:14 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: common sense is an oxymoron: Further clarification:

If you're pulled over by a cop, you can reasonably anticipate the possibility of authoritarian bullshiat.

If you're in a college lecture hall, you can reasonably anticipate having to regurgitate whatever the professor is teaching.

If you're in a "rescue mission" whose avowed purpose is to provide spiritual guidance to those unfortunate enough to have to attend (or else risk being arrested for sleeping on the streets), should you reasonably anticipate being told that Jesus died for everyone's sins but yours?

Actually, yes. Their house, their rules.


Didn't Jesus tell his followers to help EVERYONE, no matter what? Why do Christians refuse to follow the commandments of their savior?
 
2012-12-17 07:47:06 PM

BronyMedic: MBrady: Please explain your idiotic and moronic comments. Because you sir, are the biggest asshole of them all.

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How do you know what evil is unless you know what good is? How do you know what good is unless there is an objective standard of good beyond yourself? Since you know what good is, then you have to believe that God exists.

So why doesn't God stop evil? Suppose he starts with YOU. Why? Because we are all evil. It doesn't matter what degree of evil, but the source of evil, which is free choice. If God were to do away with evil, He would then have to do away with free choice. And if He did away with free choice, we would no longer have the ability to love or do good. And we would no longer live in a moral world.

Just because God doesn't end pain and suffering on YOUR timetable does not mean that He never will.

If God prevented pain and suffering every time we humans got into trouble, then we would be the most reckless, self-centered creatures in the universe and we would never learn from suffering.

Can you name one enduring lesson that you ever learned from pleasure? Virtually every valuable lesson you've ever learned resulted in some hardship in your life. In most cases, bad fortune teaches while good fortune deceives. Not only do you learn lessons from suffering, it's practically the only way you can develop virtues. You can't develop courage unless there is danger. You can't develop perseverance unless you have obstacles in your way. You won't learn to be a servant unless there's someone to serve. Compassion would never be summoned if there were never anyone in pain or in need. "No pain, no gain."
 
2012-12-17 08:00:57 PM

MBrady: BronyMedic: MBrady: Please explain your idiotic and moronic comments. Because you sir, are the biggest asshole of them all.

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How do you know what evil is unless you know what good is? How do you know what good is unless there is an objective standard of good beyond yourself? Since you know what good is, then you have to believe that God exists.

So why doesn't God stop evil? Suppose he starts with YOU. Why? Because we are all evil. It doesn't matter what degree of evil, but the source of evil, which is free choice. If God were to do away with evil, He would then have to do away with free choice. And if He did away with free choice, we would no longer have the ability to love or do good. And we would no longer live in a moral world.

Just because God doesn't end pain and suffering on YOUR timetable does not mean that He never will.

If God prevented pain and suffering every time we humans got into trouble, then we would be the most reckless, self-centered creatures in the universe and we would never learn from suffering.

Can you name one enduring lesson that you ever learned from pleasure? Virtually every valuable lesson you've ever learned resulted in some hardship in your life. In most cases, bad fortune teaches while good fortune deceives. Not only do you learn lessons from suffering, it's practically the only way you can develop virtues. You can't develop courage unless there is danger. You can't develop perseverance unless you have obstacles in your way. You won't learn to be a servant unless there's someone to serve. Compassion would never be summoned if there were never anyone in pain or in need. "No pain, no gain."


God didn't have to create evil. He also didn't have to put the one thing he didn't want us touching right smack in the middle of the garden, then do a piss-poor job of keeping the one being in existence, his rival Satan, from just sauntering in and screwing everything up. He also didn't have to curse the entire universe to punish two humans and all of their descendents, who had nothing to do with it. He could have also just snapped his fingers and fixed everything after it happened, I mean, he IS all-powerful, right?

And how is it "free will", anyways? If we do anything, ANYTHING, that's not "kowtow to God forever and ever with 100% of our very being", we'll be sent to eternal and indescribable torture. People who did good things without praising God will get the same treatment as mass-murderers and child-rapists. Hell, he created humans with the mental level of children and wanted them to worship him for all time, doesn't seem very free will to me.

Of course, when you realize that the Bible took much of itself (especially the Old Testament) from religions that came before it, where the gods were real dicks and assholes, then you realize why God seems to have a schizophrenic or bi-polar personality.
 
2012-12-17 09:34:07 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: MBrady: BronyMedic: MBrady: Please explain your idiotic and moronic comments. Because you sir, are the biggest asshole of them all.

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How do you know what evil is unless you know what good is? How do you know what good is unless there is an objective standard of good beyond yourself? Since you know what good is, then you have to believe that God exists.

So why doesn't God stop evil? Suppose he starts with YOU. Why? Because we are all evil. It doesn't matter what degree of evil, but the source of evil, which is free choice. If God were to do away with evil, He would then have to do away with free choice. And if He did away with free choice, we would no longer have the ability to love or do good. And we would no longer live in a moral world.

Just because God doesn't end pain and suffering on YOUR timetable does not mean that He never will.

If God prevented pain and suffering every time we humans got into trouble, then we would be the most reckless, self-centered creatures in the universe and we would never learn from suffering.

Can you name one enduring lesson that you ever learned from pleasure? Virtually every valuable lesson you've ever learned resulted in some hardship in your life. In most cases, bad fortune teaches while good fortune deceives. Not only do you learn lessons from suffering, it's practically the only way you can develop virtues. You can't develop courage unless there is danger. You can't develop perseverance unless you have obstacles in your way. You won't learn to be a servant unless there's someone to serve. Compassion would never be summoned if there were never anyone in pain or in need. "No pain, no gain."

God didn't have to create evil. He also didn't have to put the one thing he didn't want us touching right smack in the middle of the garden, then do a piss-poor job of keeping the one being in existence, his rival Satan, from just sauntering in and screwing everythi ...


I'd say that the god of the old testament is a very human god. That is to say, very flawed, and prone to fits of anger. Hardly the behavior of a "supreme being", but very reflective of the temperament of his creators. As someone once said, "Having a kid really mellowed god out."
 
2012-12-17 09:46:31 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: MBrady: BronyMedic: MBrady: Please explain your idiotic and moronic comments. Because you sir, are the biggest asshole of them all.

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How do you know what evil is unless you know what good is? How do you know what good is unless there is an objective standard of good beyond yourself? Since you know what good is, then you have to believe that God exists.

So why doesn't God stop evil? Suppose he starts with YOU. Why? Because we are all evil. It doesn't matter what degree of evil, but the source of evil, which is free choice. If God were to do away with evil, He would then have to do away with free choice. And if He did away with free choice, we would no longer have the ability to love or do good. And we would no longer live in a moral world.

Just because God doesn't end pain and suffering on YOUR timetable does not mean that He never will.

If God prevented pain and suffering every time we humans got into trouble, then we would be the most reckless, self-centered creatures in the universe and we would never learn from suffering.

Can you name one enduring lesson that you ever learned from pleasure? Virtually every valuable lesson you've ever learned resulted in some hardship in your life. In most cases, bad fortune teaches while good fortune deceives. Not only do you learn lessons from suffering, it's practically the only way you can develop virtues. You can't develop courage unless there is danger. You can't develop perseverance unless you have obstacles in your way. You won't learn to be a servant unless there's someone to serve. Compassion would never be summoned if there were never anyone in pain or in need. "No pain, no gain."

God didn't have to create evil. He also didn't have to put the one thing he didn't want us touching right smack in the middle of the garden, then do a piss-poor job of keeping the one being in existence, his rival Satan, from just sauntering in and screwing everythi ...


Keep whining and someday, SOMEDAY you might get your way.
/Sorry God didn't create you with a sack
 
2012-12-17 10:00:53 PM

Vash's Apprentice: Keep whining and someday, SOMEDAY you might get your way.
/Sorry God didn't create you with a sack


What the hell is that supposed to mean? Did you get your responses mixed up?
 
2012-12-18 07:14:14 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: MBrady: BronyMedic: MBrady: Please explain your idiotic and moronic comments. Because you sir, are the biggest asshole of them all.

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How do you know what evil is unless you know what good is? How do you know what good is unless there is an objective standard of good beyond yourself? Since you know what good is, then you have to believe that God exists.

So why doesn't God stop evil? Suppose he starts with YOU. Why? Because we are all evil. It doesn't matter what degree of evil, but the source of evil, which is free choice. If God were to do away with evil, He would then have to do away with free choice. And if He did away with free choice, we would no longer have the ability to love or do good. And we would no longer live in a moral world.

Just because God doesn't end pain and suffering on YOUR timetable does not mean that He never will.

If God prevented pain and suffering every time we humans got into trouble, then we would be the most reckless, self-centered creatures in the universe and we would never learn from suffering.

Can you name one enduring lesson that you ever learned from pleasure? Virtually every valuable lesson you've ever learned resulted in some hardship in your life. In most cases, bad fortune teaches while good fortune deceives. Not only do you learn lessons from suffering, it's practically the only way you can develop virtues. You can't develop courage unless there is danger. You can't develop perseverance unless you have obstacles in your way. You won't learn to be a servant unless there's someone to serve. Compassion would never be summoned if there were never anyone in pain or in need. "No pain, no gain."

God didn't have to create evil. He also didn't have to put the one thing he didn't want us touching right smack in the middle of the garden, then do a piss-poor job of keeping the one being in existence, his rival Satan, from just sauntering in and screwing everythi ...


Typical of today's generation. Blame everyone but yourself. Just like all kids. You tell them that they can have any toy/snack/food/etc except this one here, and what do they do? Yup, they try for the one that you told them that they could not have. Did mommy give you everything you wanted all the time, everytime? No? Why not?

God could have created the universe in for ways: humans who revere God all the time, with no free thought; robots with no free will at all; the universe as it is now; or no universe at all. Which is the best?

And, no you do not have to "kowtow to God forever and ever with 100% of our very being or we'll be sent to eternal and indescribable torture." Nope. The only thing thing you have to do is be truly honest with yourself and acknowledge that God sent His only son to Earth in human form to die for our sins, and Jesus is our one true Savior. That's all. No, you can't just "say it" you have to believe in your heart.

And how it is specifically that you "realize" that the Bible took "much of itself" from religions that came before it?" Why don't you elaborate on that, and provide specific facts, from specific religious scholars that are known and respected?
 
2012-12-18 10:08:12 PM

MBrady: Typical of today's generation. Blame everyone but yourself. Just like all kids. You tell them that they can have any toy/snack/food/etc except this one here, and what do they do? Yup, they try for the one that you told them that they could not have. Did mommy give you everything you wanted all the time, everytime? No? Why not?

God could have created the universe in for ways: humans who revere God all the time, with no free thought; robots with no free will at all; the universe as it is now; or no universe at all. Which is the best?

And, no you do not have to "kowtow to God forever and ever with 100% of our very being or we'll be sent to eternal and indescribable torture." Nope. The only thing thing you have to do is be truly honest with yourself and acknowledge that God sent His only son to Earth in human form to die for our sins, and Jesus is our one true Savior. That's all. No, you can't just "say it" you have to believe in your heart.

And how it is specifically that you "realize" that the Bible took "much of itself" from religions that came before it?" Why don't you elaborate on that, and provide specific facts, from specific religious scholars that are known and respected?


That last point is easy to answer. Just read any of them. Every creation story consists of: God(s) create everything over a period of time; eventually they finish up with creating humans; the humans do something or acquire something the god(s) get angry at or didn't want them to get; humans are punished. It's almost like a Storytelling 101 course.

The Flood is the especially notable part. Here's a history, here's a list, and here's more. The Epic of Gilgamesh is one of the most well-known after the Christian story.

As for the rest, yes, you pretty much do have to kowtow to God in order to not be tortured for eternity. According to fundamentalists, your deeds don't matter one bit, if you were a saint all your life but you didn't declare that God is your life, you'll be tortured as horribly as a mass-murdering child rapist. But some sects of Christianity say that your deeds and not your words determine it, the exact opposite. Some others say both matter. So, who's correct? That's another problem, Christianity can't even agree with itself. There are, what, a couple hundred different sects with tiny little differences, that all claim to be the true and correct view. Hopefully God doesn't play favorites, because then a lot of Christians are gonna be sorry when they discover they worshiped God wrong. And don't get me started on how one of the most prominent messages from Christianity to non-believers is "If you don't convert, you're gonna go to hell".
 
2012-12-18 10:09:30 PM
 
2012-12-19 07:17:47 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: MBrady: Typical of today's generation. Blame everyone but yourself. Just like all kids. You tell them that they can have any toy/snack/food/etc except this one here, and what do they do? Yup, they try for the one that you told them that they could not have. Did mommy give you everything you wanted all the time, everytime? No? Why not?

God could have created the universe in for ways: humans who revere God all the time, with no free thought; robots with no free will at all; the universe as it is now; or no universe at all. Which is the best?

And, no you do not have to "kowtow to God forever and ever with 100% of our very being or we'll be sent to eternal and indescribable torture." Nope. The only thing thing you have to do is be truly honest with yourself and acknowledge that God sent His only son to Earth in human form to die for our sins, and Jesus is our one true Savior. That's all. No, you can't just "say it" you have to believe in your heart.

And how it is specifically that you "realize" that the Bible took "much of itself" from religions that came before it?" Why don't you elaborate on that, and provide specific facts, from specific religious scholars that are known and respected?

That last point is easy to answer. Just read any of them. Every creation story consists of: God(s) create everything over a period of time; eventually they finish up with creating humans; the humans do something or acquire something the god(s) get angry at or didn't want them to get; humans are punished. It's almost like a Storytelling 101 course.

The Flood is the especially notable part. Here's a history, here's a list, and here's more. The Epic of Gilgamesh is one of the most well-known after the Christian story.

As for the rest, yes, you pretty much do have to kowtow to God in order to not be tortured for eternity. According to fundamentalists, your deeds don't matter one bit, if you were a saint all your life but you didn't declare that God is your life, you'll be tortured as ...


Just because the epic of Gilgamesh is one of the other known floods, it and YOU, still have not proven that the flood that has been told in the Bible is not true.

No, you do not. There you go..."according to fundamentalists..." So you group everyone who is a Christian as a "fundamentalist?" Typical. Painting with a wide brush I see. Is it alright if I label all democrats as bleeding heart liberals that want to eliminate guns?
 
2012-12-19 08:00:05 PM

MBrady: Just because the epic of Gilgamesh is one of the other known floods, it and YOU, still have not proven that the flood that has been told in the Bible is not true.



Noah's flood is a fairy tale, part 1

Noah's flood is a fairy tale, part 2

Which should I trust, multiple independent pieces of physical evidence or a many-times-translated Bronze Age anecdote?
 
2012-12-19 09:55:58 PM

MBrady: Just because the epic of Gilgamesh is one of the other known floods, it and YOU, still have not proven that the flood that has been told in the Bible is not true.

No, you do not. There you go..."according to fundamentalists..." So you group everyone who is a Christian as a "fundamentalist?" Typical. Painting with a wide brush I see. Is it alright if I label all democrats as bleeding heart liberals that want to eliminate guns?


A story of a massive world-smothering flood is part of all the religions that popped up in the Middle East area. And there is absolutely no real, physical evidence of a world-smothering flood. Ergo, Christianity took the world-smothering flood story and adjusted it for themselves, something they did to MANY things.

Hey, Christianity in general tells us we're all horrible sinners because of the first two humans, and that most of us are going to spend eternity in torture and pain. Did you forget about Revelation?
 
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