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2012-12-16 06:57:20 AM
I WANT MY THORN BACK


You Latin lovers really piss me off destroying our great tongue.

/quasi trolling
 
2012-12-16 07:30:08 AM
List fails without the Ç character.
 
2012-12-16 09:18:53 AM
Here are 48 letters that didn't make the cut:
weblog.noahburney.com
weblog.noahburney.com 

/Alas, poor Shavian. I like the Quikscript version as well.
//Omniglot.com is a fun place for new and improved alphabets.
 
2012-12-16 09:41:27 AM
Ampersand trivia. Though it means 'and' when used in movie credits 'and' and '&' have a significant difference. '&' between two writers names means they wrote as a team and created one script. 'And' means two writers wrote a script each and elements of both were used.
 
2012-12-16 09:48:34 AM
When used by English scribes, it became known as "ond," and they did something very clever with it. If they wanted to say "bond," they'd write a B and directly follow it with a Tironian ond. For a modern equivalent, it'd be like if you wanted to say your oatmeal didn't have much flavor and you wrote that it was "bl&."
I can think of examples that are much gr8r than that one.
 
2012-12-16 09:52:43 AM
I want a glottal stop, dammit!
 
2012-12-16 09:59:52 AM
What does this have to do with the purfuit of happineff?
 
2012-12-16 10:01:33 AM
FTA: the Old English runic alphabet, Futhark.

It died out because you had to pay 5 groats a month to use the total alphabet.
 
2012-12-16 10:04:48 AM
I'm pumped about ethel.
 
2012-12-16 10:05:23 AM
FTA: Yogh stood for a sort of throaty noise that was common in Middle English words that sounded like the "ch" in "Bach" or Scottish "loch."

French scholars weren't fans of our weird non-Latin letters and started replacing all instances of yogh with "gh" in their texts. When the throaty sound turned into "f" in Modern English, the "gh"s were left behind.


I'm guessing that "lough", pronounced like "loch", is a hangover from this that retained both the "gh" spelling and the throaty sound.
 
2012-12-16 10:27:46 AM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: What does this have to do with the purfuit of happineffs?


FTFY
 
2012-12-16 10:35:34 AM
Well a few of those are still used in the IPA. A thing Americans seem to forget or not know about.
 
2012-12-16 10:36:33 AM
images.mentalfloss.com

If you see this sign rising in the air . . . it's gonna be a dog fight!
 
2012-12-16 11:07:15 AM

gwowen: When used by English scribes, it became known as "ond," and they did something very clever with it. If they wanted to say "bond," they'd write a B and directly follow it with a Tironian ond. For a modern equivalent, it'd be like if you wanted to say your oatmeal didn't have much flavor and you wrote that it was "bl&."I can think of examples that are much gr8r than that one.


Texting had already ruined our language long before SMS messaging.
 
2012-12-16 11:07:55 AM
Fine! We'll all write in runes now!.
 
2012-12-16 11:19:58 AM
English is a clean-looking language without any diacritical marks, which is why I hate when Wikipedia articles use them, even in foreign names. Nevertheless, think of how much easier English would be if we made only one alphabetic change: adding schwa.

twimg0-a.akamaihd.net
 
2012-12-16 11:26:03 AM
What about the Decibet? I'm stil lmnopen to the idea.
 
2012-12-16 11:51:50 AM

Gunter glieben glauchen globen: English is a clean-looking language without any diacritical marks, which is why I hate when Wikipedia articles use them, even in foreign names. Nevertheless, think of how much easier English would be if we made only one alphabetic change: adding schwa.

[twimg0-a.akamaihd.net image 200x200]


Diacriticals strike me as the equivalent in writing on your sheet music 1 and a 2 and a to mark the beats the time sig has already provided
 
2012-12-16 11:59:40 AM
I think there are too many letters, I'd like to get rid of "n", "i", "g", "g", "e", "r" and "s"
 
2012-12-16 12:23:35 PM
Missed some.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-16 12:25:38 PM

THE GREAT NAME: I think there are too many letters, I'd like to get rid of "n", "i", "g", "g", "e", "r" and "s"


You said "g" twice.


/you must like g's
 
2012-12-16 12:27:15 PM
My next band name: The Voiceless Dental Fricatives

/Although the Voiced Dental Fricatives might have been another name for The The
 
2012-12-16 12:33:50 PM
 
2012-12-16 12:43:58 PM

Tax Boy: Suck my ÆØÅ  

also


I was going to say something about the æ, but you got it covered.

/åøæ vinner!
 
2012-12-16 12:46:19 PM
d(^_^)b
 
2012-12-16 01:01:00 PM
I don't love the letter "W". Every other letter in the alphabet is one syllable, but "W" has three. To top it off, we were genius enough to put the nasty thing three times at the beginning of most web addresses.
 
2012-12-16 01:04:48 PM

oldcub: I don't love the letter "W". Every other letter in the alphabet is one syllable, but "W" has three. To top it off, we were genius enough to put the nasty thing three times at the beginning of most web addresses.


www.pmpnetwork.com

wubba wubba wubba 

/just saved you 33%

//a coworker says TriDub but he's weird
 
2012-12-16 01:05:46 PM

oldcub: I don't love the letter "W". Every other letter in the alphabet is one syllable, but "W" has three. To top it off, we were genius enough to put the nasty thing three times at the beginning of most web addresses.


dub dub dub dot fark dot com

/solved
 
2012-12-16 01:07:03 PM

oldcub: I don't love the letter "W". Every other letter in the alphabet is one syllable, but "W" has three.


What about the five syllables in elemenope?
 
2012-12-16 01:14:44 PM

casual disregard: oldcub: I don't love the letter "W". Every other letter in the alphabet is one syllable, but "W" has three. To top it off, we were genius enough to put the nasty thing three times at the beginning of most web addresses.

dub dub dub dot fark dot com

/solved


Nobody likes dubstep.
 
2012-12-16 01:14:44 PM
www.ebook3000.com
 
2012-12-16 01:17:41 PM
There are still too many letters. C, Q, and X are obvious candidates for elimination -- each of those can be replaced by other letters (k & s for c; kw for q, z and ks for x).
 
2012-12-16 01:19:32 PM

null: casual disregard: oldcub: I don't love the letter "W". Every other letter in the alphabet is one syllable, but "W" has three. To top it off, we were genius enough to put the nasty thing three times at the beginning of most web addresses.

dub dub dub wub wub wub dot fark dot com

/solved

Nobody likes dubstep.


/fix'd
 
2012-12-16 01:23:08 PM
"Futhark" was named differently before the filter got hold of it.
 
2012-12-16 01:29:37 PM

casual disregard: oldcub: I don't love the letter "W". Every other letter in the alphabet is one syllable, but "W" has three. To top it off, we were genius enough to put the nasty thing three times at the beginning of most web addresses.

dub dub dub dot fark dot com

/solved


if u had the Galaxy S5 you could hold it up next to someone else's and transfer the web address via electronic semen
 
2012-12-16 01:31:55 PM

Tax Boy: Suck my ÆØÅ  

also

[satwcomic.com image 600x1070]


The one I wanted to post was too large. Gah!
 
2012-12-16 01:57:58 PM

casual disregard: oldcub: I don't love the letter "W". Every other letter in the alphabet is one syllable, but "W" has three. To top it off, we were genius enough to put the nasty thing three times at the beginning of most web addresses.

dub dub dub dot fark dot com

/solved


"World wide web dot fark dot com". 7 syllables. Can't get much shorter.
 
2012-12-16 02:04:04 PM

czetie: FTA: Yogh stood for a sort of throaty noise that was common in Middle English words that sounded like the "ch" in "Bach" or Scottish "loch."

French scholars weren't fans of our weird non-Latin letters and started replacing all instances of yogh with "gh" in their texts. When the throaty sound turned into "f" in Modern English, the "gh"s were left behind.

I'm guessing that "lough", pronounced like "loch", is a hangover from this that retained both the "gh" spelling and the throaty sound.


This throaty sound still exist in German (and Dutch). The word "Loch" exists in German, and means hole. The German "lachen" is laugh. If you replace the "gh" with "ch", many English words are extremely similar to German words with the same or similar meaning.

The further south you go in Germany, the throatier the sound gets, extremely so in certain Swiss German dialects. Speakers not used to it think that it must hurt in the throat, which it doesn't if done properly.

/Das choge cheibe Chuchichäschtli chlämmt, anyone?
 
2012-12-16 02:04:07 PM

ubermensch: casual disregard: oldcub: I don't love the letter "W". Every other letter in the alphabet is one syllable, but "W" has three. To top it off, we were genius enough to put the nasty thing three times at the beginning of most web addresses.

dub dub dub dot fark dot com

/solved

"World wide web dot fark dot com". 7 syllables. Can't get much shorter.


Sure you can -- just "fark dot com". 3 syllables. No WWW FTW!
 
2012-12-16 02:24:26 PM

Guuberre: I'm pumped about ethel.


Don't look!
 
2012-12-16 02:27:14 PM
I don't love the letter "W". Every other letter in the alphabet is one syllable, but "W" has three. To top it off, we were genius enough to put the nasty thing three times at the beginning of most web addresses.

The kewl kidz say Triple-Dub.

/kewl kid
 
2012-12-16 02:32:08 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-16 02:36:27 PM
I miss 'thorn'
 
2012-12-16 02:38:34 PM
it's all Esperanto to me.
 
2012-12-16 02:46:07 PM

Snarfangel: oldcub: I don't love the letter "W". Every other letter in the alphabet is one syllable, but "W" has three.

What about the five syllables in elemenope?


I've not heard of the "p" being part of that letter before.

4 letters, not 1
 
2012-12-16 02:46:29 PM
subby12 letters that didn't mæke the alphabet

Wouldn't it be "12 letters that didn't make the ælphabet?"
 
2012-12-16 03:11:33 PM
Gill intended for the letter to take the place of ng entirely (thus bringing would become briŋiŋ), and while it did get used by some scribes and printers, it never really took off-the Carolingian G was pretty well-established at that time

Frustrated 17th-century hipster is frustrated.

Seriously, though, there's your angle, if your basement letterpress shop (featuring hand-torn paper made from locally sourced alpaca wool) isn't taking off. Be the only hipsterpreneur on your block to offer retro letters like þ, ŋ, and ð.
 
2012-12-16 03:20:05 PM
Four of my favorites that didn't make the cut:

www.memri.org
 
2012-12-16 03:22:56 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Four of my favorites that didn't make the cut:

[www.memri.org image 360x123]


Haven't seen that in some time.
 
2012-12-16 04:05:47 PM
For example, in Year 1 that useless letter c would be dropped to be replased either by k or s, and likewise x would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which c would be retained would be the ch formation, which will be dealt with later.

Year 2 might reform w spelling, so that which and one would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish y replasing it with i and Iear 4 might fiks the g/j anomali wonse and for all.

Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with Iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and Iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants.

Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez c, y and x - bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez - tu riplais ch, sh, and th rispektivli.

Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.

/Mark Twain, I think
 
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