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(The Business Journals)   Under the leadership of Scott Walker and his reforms, surely Wisconsin must be more attractive to businesses... oh wait, they're down to 42nd? Carry on, then   (bizjournals.com) divider line 97
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2012-12-16 01:26:39 AM  
They would be 45th without Walker.

(isn't that the rationale for why 7.8% unemployment is okay now? it could be worse).
 
2012-12-16 01:31:27 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: They would be 45th without Walker.

(isn't that the rationale for why 7.8% unemployment is okay now? it could be worse).


The problem is uncertainty. But only for corporations - plain old people? F*ck 'em, they don't need to know what's happening.
 
2012-12-16 02:27:08 AM  
I predict an entirely rational thread.
 
2012-12-16 06:53:17 AM  
fark me 4.5 kilos of dairy tard is WORKING it.

What time did that lunatic even go to bed?
 
2012-12-16 07:01:21 AM  
Yet again, The GOP shows what a failure their ideas, or lack thereof, are.
 
2012-12-16 07:07:01 AM  
The probably with racing to the bottom is once you get there, you can't go much further.
 
2012-12-16 07:07:53 AM  
I'm sure right now he's thinking "This is the PERFECT time to double down on attacking teachers!"
 
2012-12-16 07:09:06 AM  
Someone print out the article, then staple it to Scott Walker's face.
 
2012-12-16 07:09:36 AM  
If the legislature had enacted a law legalizing corporate indentured servitude, their business climate would be #1!
 
2012-12-16 07:09:54 AM  

Tigger: fark me 4.5 kilos of dairy tard is WORKING it.

What time did that lunatic even go to bed?


This is really all he has. Just let him go.
 
2012-12-16 07:10:03 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: They would be 45th without Walker.

(isn't that the rationale for why 7.8% unemployment is okay now? it could be worse).

Forbes' latest rankings of The Best States for Business placed America's Dairyland 42nd in the nation, dropping from 40th in 2011


Hmm, maybe you should rethink that comment.
 
2012-12-16 07:31:59 AM  
So what you're telling me is that attacking unions doesn't necessarily guarantee job growth?

Well I for one am shocked at this new finding subby.
 
2012-12-16 07:35:13 AM  
I'm no fan of Walker or of the shenanigans he's pulling and would love to see him and his GOP state congress driven from office, but this might or might not have anything to do with his policies (especially his latest stunts). It takes time for just about any govt econ fiddling to actually have any effect.

Then again, I've never been convinced that govt has much influence on what markets do anyway. They seem to me to be their own beast.
 
2012-12-16 07:36:45 AM  

ongbok: tenpoundsofcheese: They would be 45th without Walker.

(isn't that the rationale for why 7.8% unemployment is okay now? it could be worse).

Forbes' latest rankings of The Best States for Business placed America's Dairyland 42nd in the nation, dropping from 40th in 2011

Hmm, maybe you should rethink that comment.


tentonsofderp? think?
 
2012-12-16 07:39:53 AM  

SomeoneDumb: I'm no fan of Walker or of the shenanigans he's pulling and would love to see him and his GOP state congress driven from office, but this might or might not have anything to do with his policies (especially his latest stunts). It takes time for just about any govt econ fiddling to actually have any effect.

Then again, I've never been convinced that govt has much influence on what markets do anyway. They seem to me to be their own beast.


I agree. States like Maryland, Mass, New York, Oregon, and Washington are all in the Top 25 states to do business in and they are far from embracing Republican policies.
 
2012-12-16 07:40:03 AM  
The results have been middling at best as job growth is projected to be second worst in the U.S. through 2016."

Dropping 2 places to 42 from 40 with the second worst job growth projection after running on a "Jerbs, jerbs, jerbs" platform isn't middling.

It's fail. 

Well, it's not like Wisconsin didn't have a chance to kick his ass to the curb already so my sympathy is limited here.
 
2012-12-16 07:41:00 AM  

ongbok: tenpoundsofcheese: They would be 45th without Walker.

(isn't that the rationale for why 7.8% unemployment is okay now? it could be worse).

Forbes' latest rankings of The Best States for Business placed America's Dairyland 42nd in the nation, dropping from 40th in 2011

Hmm, maybe you should rethink that comment.


I've highlighted the flaw in your comment. It implies there was thought in the first place, and not a knee-jerk partisan reaction.
 
2012-12-16 07:43:28 AM  
Mrtraveler01:
So what you're telling me is that attacking unions doesn't necessarily guarantee job growth?

Well, if the unions would stop attacking, the state might show some improvement.

You have been watching the news, where the various unions continually act like complete assholes, right? Would you want to move your business to a state where you might have to deal with that?
 
2012-12-16 07:45:45 AM  
Heh. Right-wingers - they think the race to the bottom will take them to the top.
 
2012-12-16 07:48:11 AM  
I wouldn't want to locate a business there either.

They now have a reputation of having a population of malcontents. Who wants a strike every time the employees don't get their way?


/that should do it
 
2012-12-16 07:49:30 AM  

zamboni: I wouldn't want to locate a business there either.

They now have a reputation of having a population of malcontents. Who wants a strike every time the employees don't get their way?


/that should do it


You're too late, the latest idiotic talking point it out there:

cirby: Well, if the unions would stop attacking, the state might show some improvement.

You have been watching the news, where the various unions continually act like complete assholes, right? Would you want to move your business to a state where you might have to deal with that?



You see, it's all the unions fault that Scott Walker failed to keep his promise.
 
2012-12-16 07:50:08 AM  

Mrtraveler01: ...

I agree. States like Maryland, Mass, New York, Oregon, and Washington are all in the Top 25 states to do business in and they are far from embracing Republican policies.


They're pretty much all much prettier places to live and work than Wisconsin.
 
2012-12-16 07:50:26 AM  

cirby: Mrtraveler01:
So what you're telling me is that attacking unions doesn't necessarily guarantee job growth?

Well, if the unions would stop attacking, the state might show some improvement.

You have been watching the news, where the various unions continually act like complete assholes, right? Would you want to move your business to a state where you might have to deal with that?


What color is the sky in your world?
 
2012-12-16 07:54:24 AM  

jso2897: Heh. Right-wingers - they think the race to the bottom will take them to the top.


But if everyone races to the bottom, then we'll all be there at the same time, so we'll all think that we've raced to the top! Double stars, everybody wins!
 
2012-12-16 07:58:32 AM  

cirby: Mrtraveler01:
So what you're telling me is that attacking unions doesn't necessarily guarantee job growth?

Well, if the unions would stop attacking, the state might show some improvement.

You have been watching the news, where the various unions continually act like complete assholes, right? Would you want to move your business to a state where you might have to deal with that?


Like getting upset when Hostess executives wanted to cut workers' pay AGAIN, while giving themselves massive bonuses? Oh yeah, the unions were in the wrong there.

Oh, or do you mean getting assaulted by some shiathead Republican "comedian" while some anarchist farks pulled down a tent, then getting blamed when the union guy retaliates?
 
2012-12-16 08:01:01 AM  

jso2897: Heh. Right-wingers - they think the race to the bottom will take them to the top.


Shoot! I'm the world's best backwards driver!

farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2012-12-16 08:02:07 AM  

cirby: Mrtraveler01:
So what you're telling me is that attacking unions doesn't necessarily guarantee job growth?

Well, if the unions would stop attacking, the state might show some improvement.

You have been watching the news, where the various unions continually act like complete assholes, right? Would you want to move your business to a state where you might have to deal with that?


I know, I remember when Ohio tried to fight Kaisch's attempts to take away collective bargaining for state employees and unemployment has skyrocketed since.

Oh wait
 
2012-12-16 08:13:36 AM  

Mrtraveler01: You see, it's all the unions citizen's fault that Scott Walker failed to keep his promise.


Wage earners are getting uppity and pissing off Walker's constituents.
 
2012-12-16 08:31:46 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: (isn't that the rationale for why 7.8% unemployment is okay now? it could be worse).


No. 7.8% unemployment is okay now because it was higher in the recent past and it is trending lower.
 
2012-12-16 08:31:50 AM  

Mrtraveler01: zamboni: I wouldn't want to locate a business there either.

They now have a reputation of having a population of malcontents. Who wants a strike every time the employees don't get their way?


/that should do it

You're too late, the latest idiotic talking point it out there:

cirby: Well, if the unions would stop attacking, the state might show some improvement.

You have been watching the news, where the various unions continually act like complete assholes, right? Would you want to move your business to a state where you might have to deal with that?


You see, it's all the unions fault that Scott Walker failed to keep his promise.


B...b...but, Twinkies!
 
2012-12-16 08:42:50 AM  
So I'm guessing that liberal bastions and places of union power must be completely dominating the top 10 list...

Utah, Virginia, N. Dakota, N. Carolina, Colorado, Nebraska, Texas, Georgia, Oklahoma, Iowa.

W-What? How can this be? What about the top 25?

Washington comes in at #11, thanks to those evil horrific big corporations we're always hearing about, and that's a clearly liberal/union happy place isn't it?

Oregon at #14, Maryland at #16, Mass #17, Minnesota #20, Delaware #21 (if that one counts), New York #23
 
2012-12-16 08:46:09 AM  

randomjsa: So I'm guessing that liberal bastions and places of union power must be completely dominating the top 10 list...

Utah, Virginia, N. Dakota, N. Carolina, Colorado, Nebraska, Texas, Georgia, Oklahoma, Iowa.

W-What? How can this be? What about the top 25?

Washington comes in at #11, thanks to those evil horrific big corporations we're always hearing about, and that's a clearly liberal/union happy place isn't it?

Oregon at #14, Maryland at #16, Mass #17, Minnesota #20, Delaware #21 (if that one counts), New York #23


So what you're saying is there's no real direct correlation between unionization and unemployment?
 
2012-12-16 08:48:17 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: randomjsa: So I'm guessing that liberal bastions and places of union power must be completely dominating the top 10 list...

Utah, Virginia, N. Dakota, N. Carolina, Colorado, Nebraska, Texas, Georgia, Oklahoma, Iowa.

W-What? How can this be? What about the top 25?

Washington comes in at #11, thanks to those evil horrific big corporations we're always hearing about, and that's a clearly liberal/union happy place isn't it?

Oregon at #14, Maryland at #16, Mass #17, Minnesota #20, Delaware #21 (if that one counts), New York #23

So what you're saying is there's no real direct correlation between unionization and unemployment?


I know. I don't think he realized that what he posted actually countered the point he was trying to make.
 
2012-12-16 08:51:59 AM  
Aaaaaand, people still blame the unions. This is why America deserves to fail.
 
2012-12-16 09:03:08 AM  
Dont worry everyone, Scooter has got this. By outlawing abortion he will be creating 1000's of jobs. In all seriousness there is a new Cabela's coming to Green Bay. Gee, a few hundred jobs of 9.50 an hour. That will certainly do nothing to give people a living wage so they don't need assistance.
 
2012-12-16 09:17:22 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: They would be 45th without Walker.

(isn't that the rationale for why 7.8% unemployment is okay now? it could be worse).


Do you have any actual evidence to back that up or is this just another right wing fairy tale?
 
2012-12-16 09:17:53 AM  
I dunno, do you suppose that businesses don't like getting that call from Kleefisch asking for the donation to Walker's campaign "or something might happen"? Pay to Play, Wisconsin is open for Business! How's that working out!?
 
2012-12-16 09:28:34 AM  

Dhusk: tenpoundsofcheese: They would be 45th without Walker.

(isn't that the rationale for why 7.8% unemployment is okay now? it could be worse).

Do you have any actual evidence to back that up or is this just another right wing fairy tale?


He still believes the "Reagan Lie" - that if we un-tax the owners of capital hard enough, they will "trickle down" on the rest us. After thirty years of fail, he still expects it to come true any day now. He's somewhat easily led, in other words.
 
2012-12-16 09:42:07 AM  
Walker may have made his state marginally more attractive to businesses, but he's made it much less attractive to skilled workers. After all, they're not offering a better environment to people who can't afford to live in gated communities and send their kids to private schools. If you plan on using local services, if you plan on sending your kids to public school or use public transit, you should be aware that those services are doomed to decline over the next few years. Nobody with salable skills is going to move to Wisconsin now. It's almost a shame so many states are competing in the race to the bottom. It would be interesting to see what happens in a Galtian state of all chiefs and no Indians.

I just got back from visiting my brother in North Carolina and I was a little shocked at the economy there. People are pleased, excited to be making $8/hour. Instead of buying their first home, they're saving their pennies fo a double wide. People actually supplement their diets by shooting possums and deer. Not for fun--they need the protein. Admittedly this was a rural part of the state, but still only a 20 minute drive from Greensboro. This is the vision the repubs have for America--great masses of uneducated, underpaid peons supporting their betters in their pursuit of the high life.
 
2012-12-16 09:47:34 AM  
Good job wisconsin! Twice.

Hopefully he'll be indicted soon. Douchebag.
 
2012-12-16 09:47:50 AM  

clambam: Walker may have made his state marginally more attractive to businesses, but he's made it much less attractive to skilled workers. After all, they're not offering a better environment to people who can't afford to live in gated communities and send their kids to private schools. If you plan on using local services, if you plan on sending your kids to public school or use public transit, you should be aware that those services are doomed to decline over the next few years. Nobody with salable skills is going to move to Wisconsin now. It's almost a shame so many states are competing in the race to the bottom. It would be interesting to see what happens in a Galtian state of all chiefs and no Indians.

I just got back from visiting my brother in North Carolina and I was a little shocked at the economy there. People are pleased, excited to be making $8/hour. Instead of buying their first home, they're saving their pennies fo a double wide. People actually supplement their diets by shooting possums and deer. Not for fun--they need the protein. Admittedly this was a rural part of the state, but still only a 20 minute drive from Greensboro. This is the vision the repubs have for America--great masses of uneducated, underpaid peons supporting their betters in their pursuit of the high life.


Wouldn't you be happy if chocolate rations had doubled from 2oz to 1oz?
 
2012-12-16 09:48:24 AM  

clambam: Walker may have made his state marginally more attractive to businesses, but he's made it much less attractive to skilled workers. After all, they're not offering a better environment to people who can't afford to live in gated communities and send their kids to private schools. If you plan on using local services, if you plan on sending your kids to public school or use public transit, you should be aware that those services are doomed to decline over the next few years. Nobody with salable skills is going to move to Wisconsin now. It's almost a shame so many states are competing in the race to the bottom. It would be interesting to see what happens in a Galtian state of all chiefs and no Indians.

I just got back from visiting my brother in North Carolina and I was a little shocked at the economy there. People are pleased, excited to be making $8/hour. Instead of buying their first home, they're saving their pennies fo a double wide. People actually supplement their diets by shooting possums and deer. Not for fun--they need the protein. Admittedly this was a rural part of the state, but still only a 20 minute drive from Greensboro. This is the vision the repubs have for America--great masses of uneducated, underpaid peons supporting their betters in their pursuit of the high life.


Agreed. I know that with my resume i could be making a hell of lot more in other states. The problem is that the quality of living here, (schools, cost of goods, etc) is still a lot cheaper and better than other states. If our school start taking a shiat, our family will bail quickly
 
2012-12-16 09:49:33 AM  

jso2897: Dhusk: tenpoundsofcheese: They would be 45th without Walker.

(isn't that the rationale for why 7.8% unemployment is okay now? it could be worse).

Do you have any actual evidence to back that up or is this just another right wing fairy tale?

He still believes the "Reagan Lie" - that if we un-tax the owners of capital hard enough, they will "trickle down" on the rest us. After thirty years of fail, he still expects it to come true any day now. He's somewhat easily led, in other words.


exopermaculture.files.wordpress.com

Still makes me laugh to this day.
 
2012-12-16 09:50:19 AM  

dickfreckle: I predict an entirely rational thread.


You must be new. You're not from around these parts are ya, partner?

/wish I could post a picture from Blazing Saddles or something.
//I know you're not new. You've already proposed to me once.
///I am suing you to get the deposit back on the banquet hall.
 
2012-12-16 10:00:52 AM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: Good job wisconsin! Twice.

Hopefully he'll be indicted soon. Douchebag.


Unless you're wholly committed him getting indicted and convicted (or have some myriad of ugly details arise) in a flash, don't count on it.

Link

/TL;DR nobody is even fundraising for the Democrats gubernatorial bid so they'll already be down a couple million when they do finally get going.
 
2012-12-16 10:16:55 AM  
gawd dammit, who gave TPOC TF???
 
2012-12-16 10:23:32 AM  
Just to put some perspective to the conversation.

In 2006 Wisconsin was rated 39th
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/9/06beststates_Economic-Climate-Wors t _slide_12.html?thisSpeed=10000?forwardName=06beststates_Economic-Clima te-Worst_slide

In 2007 Wisconsin was 44th.
http://www.forbes.com/2007/07/10/washington-virginia-utah-biz-cz_kb_0 7 11bizstates-table.html

In 2008 Wisconsin was 43rd.
http://www.forbes.com/2008/07/31/virginia-georgia-utah-biz-cz_kb_0731 b eststates_slide_44.html?thisSpeed=undefined

In 2009 WIsoncin was 48th
http://www.forbes.com/2009/09/23/best-states-for-business-beltway-bes t -states_slide_49.html

In 2010 Wisconsin was 43rd.
http://www.forbes.com/2010/10/13/best-states-for-business-business-be l tway-best-states_slide_44.html

In 2011 Wisconsin was 40th.
http://www.forbes.com/special-report/2011/best-states-11_rank.html
 
2012-12-16 10:26:11 AM  

Ken VeryBigLiar: Unless you're wholly committed him getting indicted and convicted (or have some myriad of ugly details arise) in a flash, don't count on it.


I can hope
 
2012-12-16 10:31:24 AM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: Good job wisconsin! Twice.

Hopefully he'll be indicted soon. Douchebag.


Don't get my hopes up.
 
2012-12-16 10:36:42 AM  

WippitGuud: jso2897: Heh. Right-wingers - they think the race to the bottom will take them to the top.

Shoot! I'm the world's best backwards driver!

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 640x426]


And yet you mock one of the tools that Lightning used to win the race.

Getting rid of life-sucking unions, unshackling job creators, returning the bible to its rightful place next to math and english books, getting rid of laws that "protect" one-eyed tree hopping frogs, and easier access to concealed carry are all tools we should be using to return to the economic prosperity we had before Obama showed up.
 
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