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2012-12-16 01:19:12 AM  
Lock him up for good before he hurts innocent people. Period. It's tragic, but there's no point waiting until someone dies before you do something.
 
2012-12-16 01:26:35 AM  

TheHopeDiamond: Lock him up for good before he hurts innocent people. Period. It's tragic, but there's no point waiting until someone dies before you do something.


He just needs a strong male hand to guide him to acceptable behavior .
 
2012-12-16 02:01:56 AM  

TheHopeDiamond: Lock him up for good before he hurts innocent people. Period. It's tragic, but there's no point waiting until someone dies before you do something.


SHE CAN'T...that's the whole point. Did you RTFA? There's nowhere to put him except farking prison.

Conservatives don't want gun control, and they don't want to pay for health care, mental or otherwise. So, we get lunatics like this kid who have nowhere to go and an apparently unassailable constitutional right to bear military-grade handguns and assault rifles. Because COMMUNISM!!1!

Cause --> effect.
 
2012-12-16 02:16:12 AM  
(Some Guy) [sad] My son's a homosexual, and I love him. I love my dead gay son.
 
2012-12-16 02:28:37 AM  

RoyBatty: (Some Guy) [sad] My son's a homosexual, and I love him. I love my dead gay son.


Wasn't that a West Wing episode?
 
2012-12-16 02:36:23 AM  

ThunderPelvis: TheHopeDiamond: Lock him up for good before he hurts innocent people. Period. It's tragic, but there's no point waiting until someone dies before you do something.

SHE CAN'T...that's the whole point. Did you RTFA? There's nowhere to put him except farking prison.

Conservatives don't want gun control, and they don't want to pay for health care, mental or otherwise. So, we get lunatics like this kid who have nowhere to go and an apparently unassailable constitutional right to bear military-grade handguns and assault rifles. Because COMMUNISM!!1!

Cause --> effect.


It's been happening state-level for too many years to count. Louisiana, for a recent example, has seen Jindal either closing or privatizing mental facilities and he still has the audacity to wonder aloud when people commit bizarre crimes.

Granted, psychiatry does not prevent criminality. That's not what I'm saying. But don't piss on me and tell me it's raining. This was money well-spent, and he's hardly the first GOP clown to go after the weakest members of society in order to bolster his street cred. And he won't be the last until this country gets its ass in gear and calls these assholes what they are.
 
2012-12-16 02:37:25 AM  

dramboxf: RoyBatty: (Some Guy) [sad] My son's a homosexual, and I love him. I love my dead gay son.

Wasn't that a West Wing episode?


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2012-12-16 02:47:42 AM  

ThunderPelvis: TheHopeDiamond: Lock him up for good before he hurts innocent people. Period. It's tragic, but there's no point waiting until someone dies before you do something.

SHE CAN'T...that's the whole point. Did you RTFA? There's nowhere to put him except farking prison.

Conservatives don't want gun control, and they don't want to pay for health care, mental or otherwise. So, we get lunatics like this kid who have nowhere to go and an apparently unassailable constitutional right to bear military-grade handguns and assault rifles. Because COMMUNISM!!1!

Cause --> effect.


rosiesaysblog.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-16 05:49:48 AM  
This could be my good friend's son. He is a bad seed, pure and simple. There is something soldiered wrong in his brain. He has no empathy, no sympathy and can't wrap his head around consequences. He is a true sociopath, and has had all the same diagnoses as the kid in TFA.

No matter how many times my friend asked for help for her son she was denied. His first arrest was at the age of 11, when he vandalized the inside of a stranger's home. He was arrested a couple more times by the age of 15, when he was sent to a military school she couldn't afford, and then got kicked out a few months later for shoplifting on his very first trip to town.

She begged and pleaded for help. None was given.

The older and bigger he got the more violent and unpredictable he became. He stole, he threatened, and broke things in abject rage. Life was living hell for her and her younger daughter.

When he was 17 he spent most of the year in juvenile hall. I forget what that arrest was for. But, he got out early - as he did every time. No follow-up help, no mental health services. She didn't want him back at that point: He was 6'3" and dangerous. She would have faced charges if she didn't let him back in her home.

He was arrested 4 days after his 18th birthday for violating his parole. He punched his sister in the jaw. Who do you think he blamed? Everyone but himself. To this day he thinks his mother or sister could have prevented him going back to jail if they'd just explain it to the police.

The good news is he was able to land a job after being released from jail: He carries a rifle for the US Marines.

Cool story, huh?
 
2012-12-16 05:58:02 AM  
you know the part of our brain that is the conscience doesn't become active till we are about 18.


hence all the age of majority laws .
 
2012-12-16 07:21:31 AM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: This could be my good friend's son. He is a bad seed, pure and simple. There is something soldiered wrong in his brain. He has no empathy, no sympathy and can't wrap his head around consequences. He is a true sociopath, and has had all the same diagnoses as the kid in TFA.

No matter how many times my friend asked for help for her son she was denied. His first arrest was at the age of 11, when he vandalized the inside of a stranger's home. He was arrested a couple more times by the age of 15, when he was sent to a military school she couldn't afford, and then got kicked out a few months later for shoplifting on his very first trip to town.

She begged and pleaded for help. None was given.

The older and bigger he got the more violent and unpredictable he became. He stole, he threatened, and broke things in abject rage. Life was living hell for her and her younger daughter.

When he was 17 he spent most of the year in juvenile hall. I forget what that arrest was for. But, he got out early - as he did every time. No follow-up help, no mental health services. She didn't want him back at that point: He was 6'3" and dangerous. She would have faced charges if she didn't let him back in her home.

He was arrested 4 days after his 18th birthday for violating his parole. He punched his sister in the jaw. Who do you think he blamed? Everyone but himself. To this day he thinks his mother or sister could have prevented him going back to jail if they'd just explain it to the police.

The good news is he was able to land a job after being released from jail: He carries a rifle for the US Marines.

Cool story, huh?


No, it's not.

I realize that's the point.
 
2012-12-16 07:25:57 AM  

TheHopeDiamond: Lock him up for good before he hurts innocent people. Period. It's tragic, but there's no point waiting until someone dies before you do something.


This.

Jail is just fine if it saves a CLASS FULL OF SMALL CHILDREN.
 
2012-12-16 07:27:45 AM  
But I thought in all the other threads everyone said if we just ban guns we'd have no violence?
 
2012-12-16 07:27:46 AM  
Yes, the teen brain is different, but this is more than a kid just being a little shiat. That's not normal behaviour for a child.

In other cases I think there needs to be a more Machiavellian approach to child rearing. Maybe kids should fear their parents a little bit. I wonder how this kid behaves in front of his peers at school. Is he considered a weird kid? Does he have friends? Is he worried about embarrassing himself before them? If he is, then that's his mother's lever.
 
2012-12-16 07:29:26 AM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: He carries a rifle for the US Marines..


I find it hard to believe he passed the MMPI.
 
2012-12-16 07:29:49 AM  
That was a hard read.
 
2012-12-16 07:31:21 AM  
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2012-12-16 07:33:38 AM  
He gets arbitrarily mad at arbitrary rules - fair's fair. If you think that a society should have rules about what color pants someone wears (if you think that that is a reasonable society), then you shouldn't be surprised when otherwise regular and peaceful folk sometimes snap. And even snapping isn't so bad in itself, it's just very dangerous in a society full of guns.
 
2012-12-16 07:36:56 AM  

sithon: TheHopeDiamond: Lock him up for good before he hurts innocent people. Period. It's tragic, but there's no point waiting until someone dies before you do something.

He just needs a strong male hand to guide him to acceptable behavior .


Or the love of Jesus.
 
2012-12-16 07:38:02 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: He gets arbitrarily mad at arbitrary rules - fair's fair. If you think that a society should have rules about what color pants someone wears (if you think that that is a reasonable society), then you shouldn't be surprised when otherwise regular and peaceful folk sometimes snap. And even snapping isn't so bad in itself, it's just very dangerous in a society full of guns.


So you're saying it's justified if he can't wear blue pants in a society with a lot of guns around to start shooting people?
 
2012-12-16 07:38:24 AM  
He's mentally ill enough to think he doesn't need therapy.
 
2012-12-16 07:39:27 AM  
ThunderPelvis:
Conservatives don't want gun control, and they don't want to pay for health care, mental or otherwise.

You do realize that the trend for "deinstitutionalization" in the 1970s-1990s came from the Democrats, right? And that it's still a Democrat priority?

It's also much, much harder to commit someone without their permission now. Basically, if you have a crazy relative who needs to be put in a hospital for treatment, you have to wait until they actually hurt or kill someone before you have a real chance of getting them into treatment. Basically, due to the "compassion" of the Democrats, we shifted the crazy people from mental hospitals to either prison or a state of intermittent homelessness.

Please stop trying to blame the Republicans for the continuing mistakes of the Democrats.
 
2012-12-16 07:39:34 AM  
Today, it's more important that a bunch of greedy "shareholders" in insurance companies get their dividends than the safety of our children.

Things are REALLY farked up.

True evil wears a suit and tie, has a precision haircut, drives a German luxury automobile and makes a ton of money shuffling paper.
 
2012-12-16 07:39:55 AM  
Scumbag Anarchist Soccer Mom: Changes son's name in article to protect his identity. Posts his picture.
 
2012-12-16 07:40:01 AM  

sure haven't: TheHopeDiamond: Lock him up for good before he hurts innocent people. Period. It's tragic, but there's no point waiting until someone dies before you do something.

This.

Jail is just fine if it saves a CLASS FULL OF SMALL CHILDREN.


Yeah, creating other options is just farking stupid anyway.
 
2012-12-16 07:40:32 AM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: This could be my good friend's son. He is a bad seed, pure and simple. There is something soldiered wrong in his brain. He has no empathy, no sympathy and can't wrap his head around consequences. He is a true sociopath, and has had all the same diagnoses as the kid in TFA.

No matter how many times my friend asked for help for her son she was denied. His first arrest was at the age of 11, when he vandalized the inside of a stranger's home. He was arrested a couple more times by the age of 15, when he was sent to a military school she couldn't afford, and then got kicked out a few months later for shoplifting on his very first trip to town.

She begged and pleaded for help. None was given.

The older and bigger he got the more violent and unpredictable he became. He stole, he threatened, and broke things in abject rage. Life was living hell for her and her younger daughter.

When he was 17 he spent most of the year in juvenile hall. I forget what that arrest was for. But, he got out early - as he did every time. No follow-up help, no mental health services. She didn't want him back at that point: He was 6'3" and dangerous. She would have faced charges if she didn't let him back in her home.

He was arrested 4 days after his 18th birthday for violating his parole. He punched his sister in the jaw. Who do you think he blamed? Everyone but himself. To this day he thinks his mother or sister could have prevented him going back to jail if they'd just explain it to the police.

The good news is he was able to land a job after being released from jail: He carries a rifle for the US Marines.

Cool story, huh?


Only if he likes jelly donuts.
 
2012-12-16 07:40:50 AM  
Why change the kid's name for the story, then show his picture?
 
2012-12-16 07:41:08 AM  
I like how the ER docs threw an atypical anti-psychotic drug at her son and basically told her good luck. Meds don't work on sociopaths, lady, sorry (except for alcohol and street drugs).
 
2012-12-16 07:41:30 AM  
Dear Legislators,

Closing the asylums and mental health clinics DOES NOT make the problem go away.

Sincerely,

The World.
 
2012-12-16 07:42:01 AM  
I remember an interview of two families each with a disable child. One child was in the ten year old range and the other child was 2 or three years old. The interviewer asked if given what they know now would they have kept the child or not. The mother of the younger one gushed oh yes...she loves the child and every life is so precious. The audience went ahhhhhh so sweet.. The mother of the older one said no, that given a chance she would have surrendered the child. The audience ripped her a new one. The mother got a chance to explain and said that when the child was young she thought just like the other mom. But like puppies and kittens as they get older they are not quite as "attractive". So after about age 7 she said people started avoiding her and the child. No one said how brave and honorable she was anymore. Relatives/friends well lets say they were not really apart of that scene anymore. Of course she said, it is so pleasant to have to change a 10 year olds poopy diaper while he fights you with the strength that you can only dream of. While you see other kids growing, maturing, changing, enjoying life, she had to come to the realization that her "special" child would be forever a two year old. She was essentially up around the clock 24 hours a day, everyday. No baby sitter is ever gonna "sit" for her. The "child" will outlive her and it was a death sentence for her. The audience then had to shut the .... up. Then the camera showed the younger moms face. It looked like she just ate a huge turd. She realized that her future was not a future......So before you judge, go visit with some of these folks with special challenges and give "them" a gift this year......maybe a couple days off........It just might be their first in ten or so years...save their sanity and allow them to maintain a sense of humanity that others take for granted........ .help someone like that........
 
2012-12-16 07:42:10 AM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: This could be my good friend's son. He is a bad seed, pure and simple. There is something soldiered wrong in his brain. He has no empathy, no sympathy and can't wrap his head around consequences. He is a true sociopath, and has had all the same diagnoses as the kid in TFA.

No matter how many times my friend asked for help for her son she was denied. His first arrest was at the age of 11, when he vandalized the inside of a stranger's home. He was arrested a couple more times by the age of 15, when he was sent to a military school she couldn't afford, and then got kicked out a few months later for shoplifting on his very first trip to town.

She begged and pleaded for help. None was given.

The older and bigger he got the more violent and unpredictable he became. He stole, he threatened, and broke things in abject rage. Life was living hell for her and her younger daughter.

When he was 17 he spent most of the year in juvenile hall. I forget what that arrest was for. But, he got out early - as he did every time. No follow-up help, no mental health services. She didn't want him back at that point: He was 6'3" and dangerous. She would have faced charges if she didn't let him back in her home.

He was arrested 4 days after his 18th birthday for violating his parole. He punched his sister in the jaw. Who do you think he blamed? Everyone but himself. To this day he thinks his mother or sister could have prevented him going back to jail if they'd just explain it to the police.

The good news is he was able to land a job after being released from jail: He carries a rifle for the US Marines.

Cool story, huh?


This sounds a lot like my brother growing up, he is 7 years older than me. He was always doing things like that, only difference was he had a ridiculously high IQ and he was such a "genius" my parents let him slide on a lot of things. Ended up raping a few young girls but to this day swears it was "Consensual" Even though they were under the ages of 8. When I was 11 he held a gun to my head, used to put my hand on the kerosene heater...blah blah blah...and the whole time I was crying he would scream "Whats your problem? I'm not doing anything to you!"

Luckily he does not work for a job were they so readily hand him a gun.
 
2012-12-16 07:42:25 AM  

ThunderPelvis: TheHopeDiamond: Lock him up for good before he hurts innocent people. Period. It's tragic, but there's no point waiting until someone dies before you do something.

SHE CAN'T...that's the whole point. Did you RTFA? There's nowhere to put him except farking prison.

Conservatives don't want gun control, and they don't want to pay for health care, mental or otherwise. So, we get lunatics like this kid who have nowhere to go and an apparently unassailable constitutional right to bear military-grade handguns and assault rifles. Because COMMUNISM!!1!

Cause --> effect.


Yes, and while we're at it let's blame the government for allowing ugly babies to enter the world and allowing checkout lines at Target to be too long.
 
2012-12-16 07:42:52 AM  
Spree shootings are caused by a lack of personal restraint. In some cases, such as Charles Whitmore, the fellow was suffering from madness with an organic cause ie a brain tumour. He left diaries and letters that showed jumbled and irrational thoughts.

But in nearly all cases, this lack of personal restraint comes from the breakdown of society.

Perhaps The Anarchist Soccer Mom needs to worry a bit less about anarchy and more about conformity.
 
2012-12-16 07:43:01 AM  
He is broken. Exchange him for a new one. Hope you saved the receipt.
 
2012-12-16 07:43:13 AM  
A child like this should be nuked from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
 
2012-12-16 07:43:22 AM  

Maus III: Runs_With_Scissors_: He carries a rifle for the US Marines..

I find it hard to believe he passed the MMPI.


You mean that thing he's probably been given dozens of times over the course of all that mess? That thing he probably figured out the "right" answers to years ago? Yeah, I'm sure he couldn't have possibly faked his way through it.
 
2012-12-16 07:44:25 AM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: This could be my good friend's son. He is a bad seed, pure and simple. There is something soldiered wrong in his brain. He has no empathy, no sympathy and can't wrap his head around consequences. He is a true sociopath, and has had all the same diagnoses as the kid in TFA.

No matter how many times my friend asked for help for her son she was denied. His first arrest was at the age of 11, when he vandalized the inside of a stranger's home. He was arrested a couple more times by the age of 15, when he was sent to a military school she couldn't afford, and then got kicked out a few months later for shoplifting on his very first trip to town.

She begged and pleaded for help. None was given.

The older and bigger he got the more violent and unpredictable he became. He stole, he threatened, and broke things in abject rage. Life was living hell for her and her younger daughter.

When he was 17 he spent most of the year in juvenile hall. I forget what that arrest was for. But, he got out early - as he did every time. No follow-up help, no mental health services. She didn't want him back at that point: He was 6'3" and dangerous. She would have faced charges if she didn't let him back in her home.

He was arrested 4 days after his 18th birthday for violating his parole. He punched his sister in the jaw. Who do you think he blamed? Everyone but himself. To this day he thinks his mother or sister could have prevented him going back to jail if they'd just explain it to the police.

The good news is he was able to land a job after being released from jail: He carries a rifle for the US Marines.

Cool story, huh?

Except that with a rap sheet that long he wouldn't have passed the background check needed to join the military in the first place.
 
2012-12-16 07:46:21 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-16 07:46:49 AM  

SpaceBison: Runs_With_Scissors_: This could be my good friend's son. He is a bad seed, pure and simple. There is something soldiered wrong in his brain. He has no empathy, no sympathy and can't wrap his head around consequences. He is a true sociopath, and has had all the same diagnoses as the kid in TFA.

No matter how many times my friend asked for help for her son she was denied. His first arrest was at the age of 11, when he vandalized the inside of a stranger's home. He was arrested a couple more times by the age of 15, when he was sent to a military school she couldn't afford, and then got kicked out a few months later for shoplifting on his very first trip to town.

She begged and pleaded for help. None was given.

The older and bigger he got the more violent and unpredictable he became. He stole, he threatened, and broke things in abject rage. Life was living hell for her and her younger daughter.

When he was 17 he spent most of the year in juvenile hall. I forget what that arrest was for. But, he got out early - as he did every time. No follow-up help, no mental health services. She didn't want him back at that point: He was 6'3" and dangerous. She would have faced charges if she didn't let him back in her home.

He was arrested 4 days after his 18th birthday for violating his parole. He punched his sister in the jaw. Who do you think he blamed? Everyone but himself. To this day he thinks his mother or sister could have prevented him going back to jail if they'd just explain it to the police.

The good news is he was able to land a job after being released from jail: He carries a rifle for the US Marines.

Cool story, huh?
Except that with a rap sheet that long he wouldn't have passed the background check needed to join the military in the first place.


He could have had the records expunged.
 
2012-12-16 07:47:07 AM  
what's even scarier than that is how many mentally ill people are able to hold it together long enough that you don't realize they are dangerous. the ones who secretly visit a psychologist and take medication and spend their time alone suffering and miserable, but go to work and have a job and act friendly around their neighbors because they know that they have to pretend to be normal. there is such a wide range of "mental illness" that it's really impossible to predict which people might snap. there are obvious ones like the one in the article, who act out and have violent fits and are known to hurt people. but not all of them behave that way. some of them suffer in silence and know they are sick, but can't do anything about it, either because they can't afford treatment or because they are ashamed to admit they need help. and you don't know who those people are. i might be one of them. you might be. and 99.9% of them will never do anything wrong, they'll never commit a crime. my point is, we can't predict who is going to have a breakdown and go on a murder spree. all we can do is make mental health care as easy as possible for the people who need it, remove the stigma of mental illness, and maybe make it harder for people to buy guns.
 
2012-12-16 07:48:54 AM  

letrole: Spree shootings are caused by a lack of personal restraint. In some cases, such as Charles Whitmore, the fellow was suffering from madness with an organic cause ie a brain tumour. He left diaries and letters that showed jumbled and irrational thoughts.

But in nearly all cases, this lack of personal restraint comes from the breakdown of society.

Perhaps The Anarchist Soccer Mom needs to worry a bit less about anarchy and more about conformity.



Perhaps you should worry about saying anything of substance. "The Breakdown of Society" is the best crazy-person explanation for mental illness I could have dreamed of. Or....wait......

Wait! Is this like a sexism thing?!?! Holy fark I think I've heard about you people! You were like "the explanation is the breakdown of society," which I thought was crazy because it's metaphorical bullshiat that doesn't mean anything. But did you ACTUALLY mean that the lady on that random blog with the name I sort of recognize is challenging your view of women by existing? And having a sort of provocative title for her blog?

fark, you're the shiat, man.

Unless you actually believe that shiat about the breakdown of society. In which case you're just ignorant, and not a living fossil worthy of study and slack-jawed amazement.
 
2012-12-16 07:49:54 AM  

sithon: you know the part of our brain that is the conscience doesn't become active till we are about 18.


hence all the age of majority laws .


Well, it doesn't fully develop in some people until 29 (which is when criminal activity tapers off dramatically), but this seems like an exception. The kid appears to be genuinely nuts.

I doubt he intends to be a violent prick, but he is.
 
2012-12-16 07:50:30 AM  

SpaceBison: Runs_With_Scissors_: This could be my good friend's son. He is a bad seed, pure and simple. There is something soldiered wrong in his brain. He has no empathy, no sympathy and can't wrap his head around consequences. He is a true sociopath, and has had all the same diagnoses as the kid in TFA.

No matter how many times my friend asked for help for her son she was denied. His first arrest was at the age of 11, when he vandalized the inside of a stranger's home. He was arrested a couple more times by the age of 15, when he was sent to a military school she couldn't afford, and then got kicked out a few months later for shoplifting on his very first trip to town.

She begged and pleaded for help. None was given.

The older and bigger he got the more violent and unpredictable he became. He stole, he threatened, and broke things in abject rage. Life was living hell for her and her younger daughter.

When he was 17 he spent most of the year in juvenile hall. I forget what that arrest was for. But, he got out early - as he did every time. No follow-up help, no mental health services. She didn't want him back at that point: He was 6'3" and dangerous. She would have faced charges if she didn't let him back in her home.

He was arrested 4 days after his 18th birthday for violating his parole. He punched his sister in the jaw. Who do you think he blamed? Everyone but himself. To this day he thinks his mother or sister could have prevented him going back to jail if they'd just explain it to the police.

The good news is he was able to land a job after being released from jail: He carries a rifle for the US Marines.

Cool story, huh?
Except that with a rap sheet that long he wouldn't have passed the background check needed to join the military in the first place.


not if his record was expunged due to youthful offender status. at any rate he sounds like he'd fit right in with Marines.
 
2012-12-16 07:51:31 AM  

davidphogan: But I thought in all the other threads everyone said if we just ban guns we'd have no violence?


memecrunch.com
 
2012-12-16 07:52:18 AM  
Grounded from electronics for a day? Really?

How about I bust your little 13 year old ass and you can understand what violence is?
 
2012-12-16 07:53:33 AM  

letrole: Spree shootings are caused by a lack of personal restraint. In some cases, such as Charles Whitmore, the fellow was suffering from madness with an organic cause ie a brain tumour. He left diaries and letters that showed jumbled and irrational thoughts.

But in nearly all cases, this lack of personal restraint comes from the breakdown of society.

Perhaps The Anarchist Soccer Mom needs to worry a bit less about anarchy and more about conformity.


Again, you fail to mention that Atheism is a religion, thus giving all the great moral guidance of, say Islam or Christianity, but without the need for a Deity mandating those morals.

I now realise you are no troll, you are, in fact, a creationist.
 
2012-12-16 07:55:01 AM  

cirby: ThunderPelvis:
Conservatives don't want gun control, and they don't want to pay for health care, mental or otherwise.

You do realize that the trend for "deinstitutionalization" in the 1970s-1990s came from the Democrats, right? And that it's still a Democrat priority?

It's also much, much harder to commit someone without their permission now. Basically, if you have a crazy relative who needs to be put in a hospital for treatment, you have to wait until they actually hurt or kill someone before you have a real chance of getting them into treatment. Basically, due to the "compassion" of the Democrats, we shifted the crazy people from mental hospitals to either prison or a state of intermittent homelessness.

Please stop trying to blame the Republicans for the continuing mistakes of the Democrats.


Gotta love wingnuts who think Republicans have never held power since the Carter administration.

Yet they want us to think they believe in personal responsibility...
 
2012-12-16 07:55:39 AM  

PonceAlyosha: SpaceBison: Runs_With_Scissors_: This could be my good friend's son. He is a bad seed, pure and simple. There is something soldiered wrong in his brain. He has no empathy, no sympathy and can't wrap his head around consequences. He is a true sociopath, and has had all the same diagnoses as the kid in TFA.

No matter how many times my friend asked for help for her son she was denied. His first arrest was at the age of 11, when he vandalized the inside of a stranger's home. He was arrested a couple more times by the age of 15, when he was sent to a military school she couldn't afford, and then got kicked out a few months later for shoplifting on his very first trip to town.

She begged and pleaded for help. None was given.

The older and bigger he got the more violent and unpredictable he became. He stole, he threatened, and broke things in abject rage. Life was living hell for her and her younger daughter.

When he was 17 he spent most of the year in juvenile hall. I forget what that arrest was for. But, he got out early - as he did every time. No follow-up help, no mental health services. She didn't want him back at that point: He was 6'3" and dangerous. She would have faced charges if she didn't let him back in her home.

He was arrested 4 days after his 18th birthday for violating his parole. He punched his sister in the jaw. Who do you think he blamed? Everyone but himself. To this day he thinks his mother or sister could have prevented him going back to jail if they'd just explain it to the police.

The good news is he was able to land a job after being released from jail: He carries a rifle for the US Marines.

Cool story, huh?
Except that with a rap sheet that long he wouldn't have passed the background check needed to join the military in the first place.

He could have had the records expunged.


Government has no law regarding exoungement, the military can see it. The person signs a form allowing the investigation. Same with security clearance.
 
2012-12-16 07:55:58 AM  

Slappajo: Grounded from electronics for a day? Really?

How about I bust your little 13 year old ass and you can understand what violence is?


yeah, flog all mentally ill people till they recant their inner demons, that'll teach em. Problem solved.

/eabod,diaf
 
2012-12-16 07:56:30 AM  

sure haven't: TheHopeDiamond: Lock him up for good before he hurts innocent people. Period. It's tragic, but there's no point waiting until someone dies before you do something.

This.

Jail is just fine if it saves a CLASS FULL OF SMALL CHILDREN.


Except for the whole right to due process and to not be locked up for crimes you haven't commited

You can't just go around and lock up people with mental illness not in a free country anyway
 
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