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(The New York Times)   538.com guru Nate Silver crunches Sagarin ratings, concludes seven breakaway Big East basketball schools will be immediately competitive league. Big East Commissioner says his internal polls tell him conference has incredible momentum   (fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com) divider line 30
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2012-12-15 11:27:52 PM
Wait until the returns from UConn come in! This isn't over yet!
 
2012-12-15 11:56:14 PM

Mentat: Wait until the returns from UConn come in! This isn't over yet!


haha
 
2012-12-16 12:10:03 AM
Drunk Nate Silver is busy determining what the 2013 Naismith Award winner will eat for breakfast.
 
2012-12-16 12:47:13 AM
But enough about Nate Silver, what does the UnSkewed guy think?
 
2012-12-16 12:58:33 AM
www.nerdylorrin.net
 
2012-12-16 01:03:29 AM

SilentStrider: But enough about Nate Silver, what does the UnSkewed guy think?


I assume that on Thursday night, you farted in the Eagles general direction for me, yes? Especially at the end of quarter three.

Of course you did. I'm so proud,
 
2012-12-16 02:42:38 AM

Marcus Aurelius: SilentStrider: But enough about Nate Silver, what does the UnSkewed guy think?

I assume that on Thursday night, you farted in the Eagles general direction for me, yes? Especially at the end of quarter three.

Of course you did. I'm so proud,


Oh yeah. I was booing as only an Eagles fan knows how. And dear God did they earn it.
I still think the refs blew the call on the Bryce Brown fumble. He looked clearly down from where I was.
 
2012-12-16 03:28:48 AM
this conference will be lumped in to the other conference that normally get a conference tournament winner in. good luck on your step down. less chances into the big dance and less money on the tv contract. you lose.
 
2012-12-16 03:53:22 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: this conference will be lumped in to the other conference that normally get a conference tournament winner in. good luck on your step down. less chances into the big dance and less money on the tv contract. you lose.


no it won't if it adds a couple of other good catholic basketball schools (xavier and st joe's for example). the seven are leaving uconn (and i guess you could count memphis and cinci) and a bunch of shiat sammiches behind. that's not exactly a bad plan especially since they have several major media markets covered (nyc, philly, dc, etc)
 
2012-12-16 03:59:39 AM

A Fark Handle: What_Would_Jimi_Do: this conference will be lumped in to the other conference that normally get a conference tournament winner in. good luck on your step down. less chances into the big dance and less money on the tv contract. you lose.

no it won't if it adds a couple of other good catholic basketball schools (xavier and st joe's for example). the seven are leaving uconn (and i guess you could count memphis and cinci) and a bunch of shiat sammiches behind. that's not exactly a bad plan especially since they have several major media markets covered (nyc, philly, dc, etc)


the catholic school conference would be lost in basketball. like i said it would be a basketball conference that gets one automatic bid to the big dance. down hill for many of the schools mentioned.
 
2012-12-16 04:31:16 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: this conference will be lumped in to the other conference that normally get a conference tournament winner in. good luck on your step down. less chances into the big dance and less money on the tv contract. you lose.


What are 7 non-football schools supposed to do when everyone important from the Big East is going somewhere else? Their at-large bids aren't going away.

Still, this is why college sports are bullshiat. Hey, fark tradition and whatever we sold you on before, all that matters is football money even for schools that suck at football.
 
2012-12-16 04:32:55 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: A Fark Handle: What_Would_Jimi_Do: this conference will be lumped in to the other conference that normally get a conference tournament winner in. good luck on your step down. less chances into the big dance and less money on the tv contract. you lose.

no it won't if it adds a couple of other good catholic basketball schools (xavier and st joe's for example). the seven are leaving uconn (and i guess you could count memphis and cinci) and a bunch of shiat sammiches behind. that's not exactly a bad plan especially since they have several major media markets covered (nyc, philly, dc, etc)

the catholic school conference would be lost in basketball. like i said it would be a basketball conference that gets one automatic bid to the big dance. down hill for many of the schools mentioned.


Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, St. John's, possibly Xavier and Butler. Yeah, basketball teams that have a tradition of being lost.
 
2012-12-16 04:33:49 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: A Fark Handle: What_Would_Jimi_Do: this conference will be lumped in to the other conference that normally get a conference tournament winner in. good luck on your step down. less chances into the big dance and less money on the tv contract. you lose.

no it won't if it adds a couple of other good catholic basketball schools (xavier and st joe's for example). the seven are leaving uconn (and i guess you could count memphis and cinci) and a bunch of shiat sammiches behind. that's not exactly a bad plan especially since they have several major media markets covered (nyc, philly, dc, etc)

the catholic school conference would be lost in basketball. like i said it would be a basketball conference that gets one automatic bid to the big dance. down hill for many of the schools mentioned.


no farking way. it would easily get 2 or 3 bids even in a down season. when haven't 2 or 3 (or 4+) of georgetown, villanova, marquette, seton hall, st. john's, depaul and providence plus xavier, st joe's, etc been in the dance. there is plenty of big brand basketball schools in that bunch.

/of course i didn't do the research, it could have been as recent as last year. going off gut and drunken memory.
 
2012-12-16 05:33:44 AM
Preposterous scenario time? Oh yes it is...

Okay. So let's say the basketball schools get to keep the Big East name and MSG rights. Everyone else is kicked out, but perhaps UCONN and Memphis are allowed to stay on for every sport besides football. The football schools create a new conference with most of the same membership. UConn and Cincy look for membership in the ACC/SEC/Big Ten, but find no takers. So they create a new conference, and everyone in the current Big East football setup is invited. As is Army. And everyone accepts, except for Boise and San Diego State. This new conference is 12 members, and let's call it the Eastern American Conference (EAC).

Boise, along with BYU, is invited to the Big 12. Both are teams with recent big success, bring the Big 12 up to 12 members, giving them a conference title game back. Boise finally gets to be in a BCS conference.

SDSU is re-added to the MWC. Wanting a 12th member for a conference title game, the MWC reluctantly adds Idaho.

And finally, NMSU is added to the Sun Belt after they add an 11th member (Georgia Southern? Eastern Kentucky?), as they're sort-of a geographical fit (there are Texas teams in the Sun Belt) and are a team in the FBS. Now the only independent is Notre Dame.

The WAC's remaining non-football pieces (Seattle, Utah Valley, Chicago State, Grand Canyon U, CSU-Bakersfield, Texas Pan-American) scatter to various other non FBS conferences (Big West, Summit, Big Sky are all candidates to pick up some teams. Maybe even the shambling corpse of the Great West. With Chicago State going somewhere like the Horizon).
 
2012-12-16 05:53:52 AM
im sick of this guy already.
 
2012-12-16 09:47:11 AM
Wait a minute -- they're thinking of adding Gonzaga to the Big East? Gonzaga University in Spokane, WA? This conference is getting more and more nonsensical.
 
2012-12-16 10:15:55 AM

Arkanaut: Wait a minute -- they're thinking of adding Gonzaga to the Big East? Gonzaga University in Spokane, WA? This conference is getting more and more nonsensical.


The B1G Ten has forty teams, the Big XII, like XXIII.
Big East added San Diego State a while ago.

Is it any wonder are college students isn't learning them numbers and geogrametry?
 
2012-12-16 10:24:05 AM
For the nay-sayers, whatever the deal is for a new basketball-centric conference, it can't be worse than staying with the Big East.

The Big East is dead and football killed it. The East has been the red-headed step-child of major conferences, despite it's competitiveness in other sports, because of it's failings in football against the other majors.

Football is moving towards 4 major 16-team conferences and a six-team play-off (4 conference winners + 2 wild cards, top two get a bye, just like the NFL conference play-off (rules will be similar to the current BCS bowl rules for the occasional non-major conference team to get a wild card slot)). Those 4 conferences will be what is now the PAC-10, Big 10, Big 12, and SEC. Big East is dead man walking as a football conference.
 
2012-12-16 10:30:30 AM
Was it really necessary to do anything to determine that this would be a competitive basketball league? Could we have not just looked at the names of the schools and be like, "hey, this will be pretty good!"
 
2012-12-16 11:06:07 AM

ElwoodCuse: What_Would_Jimi_Do: this conference will be lumped in to the other conference that normally get a conference tournament winner in. good luck on your step down. less chances into the big dance and less money on the tv contract. you lose.

What are 7 non-football schools supposed to do when everyone important from the Big East is going somewhere else? Their at-large bids aren't going away.

Still, this is why college sports are bullshiat. Hey, fark tradition and whatever we sold you on before, all that matters is football money even for schools that suck at football.


Well football dwarfs basketball in terms of revenue so that's why the big east is going after that money.

If the NFL were smart they would start a developmental league to get all those kids who can't qualify academically or just don't want to attend college. They could still have classes for the kids and mainly teach them how to ignore old friends that cause them trouble.
 
2012-12-16 12:05:15 PM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: A Fark Handle: What_Would_Jimi_Do: this conference will be lumped in to the other conference that normally get a conference tournament winner in. good luck on your step down. less chances into the big dance and less money on the tv contract. you lose.

no it won't if it adds a couple of other good catholic basketball schools (xavier and st joe's for example). the seven are leaving uconn (and i guess you could count memphis and cinci) and a bunch of shiat sammiches behind. that's not exactly a bad plan especially since they have several major media markets covered (nyc, philly, dc, etc)

the catholic school conference would be lost in basketball. like i said it would be a basketball conference that gets one automatic bid to the big dance. down hill for many of the schools mentioned.


You do realize that every conference has the same thing right?
 
2012-12-16 12:08:57 PM

ElwoodCuse: What_Would_Jimi_Do: this conference will be lumped in to the other conference that normally get a conference tournament winner in. good luck on your step down. less chances into the big dance and less money on the tv contract. you lose.

What are 7 non-football schools supposed to do when everyone important from the Big East is going somewhere else? Their at-large bids aren't going away.

Still, this is why college sports are bullshiat. Hey, fark tradition and whatever we sold you on before, all that matters is football money even for schools that suck at football.


Which is why it somewhat doesn't make sense for schools like, say, Boston College. Fine, you get the football money, but your revenue stream is still limited by the size of your football stadium. While the burden on the football scholarship side of things will be lessened by the money you get from the contract, you still gotta eat that through the longer trips you take for both the football and basketball teams having to travel longer distances.
 
2012-12-16 12:30:49 PM
So where does university of Tulsa land, in the mwc or just stuck as the little big dog of C-USA?
 
2012-12-16 03:49:00 PM
What do the colleges do when the former football players file a class action suit like what is happening in the NFL right now?

I think in the next fifteen to twenty years many universities are going to down size their football programs due to liability issues.
 
2012-12-16 03:57:28 PM

Agent Nick Fury: What do the colleges do when the former football players file a class action suit like what is happening in the NFL right now?

I think in the next fifteen to twenty years many universities are going to down size their football programs due to liability issues.


They already have, its over times they have contact practices and the problem with suing most schools is they are immune from lawsuits since they are government institutions.
 
2012-12-16 08:16:45 PM

Rwa2play: Which is why it somewhat doesn't make sense for schools like, say, Boston College. Fine, you get the football money, but your revenue stream is still limited by the size of your football stadium. While the burden on the football scholarship side of things will be lessened by the money you get from the contract, you still gotta eat that through the longer trips you take for both the football and basketball teams having to travel longer distances.


The amount of money a school like Boston College has to pay for travel costs is still insignificant in comparison to the amount of money they get in a conference such as the ACC as opposed to the Big East.
 
2012-12-16 10:01:40 PM

Rwa2play: What_Would_Jimi_Do: A Fark Handle: What_Would_Jimi_Do: this conference will be lumped in to the other conference that normally get a conference tournament winner in. good luck on your step down. less chances into the big dance and less money on the tv contract. you lose.

no it won't if it adds a couple of other good catholic basketball schools (xavier and st joe's for example). the seven are leaving uconn (and i guess you could count memphis and cinci) and a bunch of shiat sammiches behind. that's not exactly a bad plan especially since they have several major media markets covered (nyc, philly, dc, etc)

the catholic school conference would be lost in basketball. like i said it would be a basketball conference that gets one automatic bid to the big dance. down hill for many of the schools mentioned.

You do realize that every conference has the same thing right?


Except for the Great West.

You do realize there is a process to getting the automatic bid right?
 
2012-12-16 10:22:02 PM
What's left of the Big East should join up with the ACC at this point.
 
2012-12-17 10:16:12 AM
Also, doesn't it make a lot of sense for Notre Dame to screw the ACC and dump all the non-football sports into this league?
 
2012-12-17 01:03:01 PM
I will refer to this new conference as the SWC (Sky Wizard Conference)
 
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