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2012-12-16 12:27:02 AM

Amos Quito: rappy: It's so obvious what needs to be done. Everyone hand over their guns and we destroy them. We hunt down the black market guns and destroy those.


Cool.

We swap out the :WAR ON DRUGS for the WAR ON GUNS.

Keeps the cops happy, the prisons full of people who shouldn't be there, and the public laps it up like regurgitated dog food.

Utopia is ours.


If you own a gun you probably deserve to be there.
 
2012-12-16 12:27:24 AM

styckx: The only thing that bothers me is this.

What laws 5 years from now will be acted upon and when someone goes "When the fark did that bullshiat get passed into law and who the fark allowed it??" Then someone replies "Back in 2012 when panicky petes begged and pleaded at the feet of the Government to do something about all those shootings this is the result"


The only law that has a chance in he'll of fixing this is one that implements free mental health services nationwide.
 
2012-12-16 12:28:13 AM

mamoru: Coco LaFemme: What's the vaccine for this shiat?

Improved education and mental health care systems. A stronger societal focus on cultivating the mind and the ability to reason and think critically as well as a societal support system for those who have difficulty coping. I'm not saying that anti-intellectualism and extreme, irrational rhetoric are the causes of such incidents. However, I suspect that they are fertilizer which helps such seeds of violence grow unnoticed until the incidents themselves happen.

And, just like as in disease, this would not stop every possible occurrence, but it should reduce the spread. If you want a vaccine, then that is my suggestion.


I agree with this. While having easy access to guns does not help, but the problem here is one of psychology.

America has a pisspoor idea on psychological help, especially since a lot of our value comes from work that, thanks to the economy, is now easily replaced. We're a nation of people who work hard and play little and see our bodies as something to exhaust either through poor diet or a real lack of medical care. In a weird way, the way we set up our culture is that we are the ultimate disposable commodity to be used, abused, and buried after we finally use up our use as workers. This clashes with our mentality as 'individuals' and 'pioneers' who are supposed to be self-reliant 100% of the time regardless of the consequences, yet supposed to be constantly ambitious enough to live up to a nuclear family mentality regardless of what we really want.

So, in a nutshell, we're self-destructive physically and alienated emotionally/mentally. Is it a farking wonder why some of us snap like this? The sad truth isn't that the American Way of Life (Working yourself to death and living a pre-packaged existence) isn't dying, its that it isn't dying fast enough. We only get one shot at this world, and being a human machine is no way to go about it. Most of us seek solace in addictions. And some of us, sadly, decide to go out in a blaze of violence and death. We can talk about guns all we want and there is a place for that, but the one thing we should be talking about is how we treat ourselves and others. We need free healthcare for everybody. We need psychological care without the stigma. We need to start taking care of ourselves instead of spending our bodies like some kind of bizarre currency. And we need, most of all, to start thinking about others besides ourselves because when someone snaps like this, they can hurt a lot of people. And taking care of others helps prevent or lessen the damage of instances like we saw on Friday.
 
2012-12-16 12:29:04 AM

X-boxershorts: Amos Quito: Rights are easy to surrender. Getting them back can be a tad more difficult.

End the war on drugs.

There is nothing more fascist about America than the war on drugs



Agreed.


codinghorror.typepad.com

But the "day ain't over yet"
 
2012-12-16 12:29:14 AM

Agent Nick Fury: whatshisname: Amos Quito: Rights are easy to surrender. Getting them back can be a tad more difficult.

What a lame and entirely predictable response. The "right" to stick a gun down your pants and go to the mall is not a right at all. It's a weird privilege that seems to be in vogue in states where the IQ rarely creeps above room temperature.

When you say it's 'vogue in states where the IQ rarely creeps above room temperature' you sound rather racist.


Please explain how you jumped to that conclusion, because it in itself sounds very racist.
 
2012-12-16 12:31:18 AM

rappy: Arming citizens is the dumbest idea anyone ever had. People are too f*cking dumb to handle that kind of power and responsibility.


I agree. As soon as I get power, first thing to go is people's weapons. Then, I'mma start takin' their stuff. Jewelry, money, kids, it don't matter. What the king wants, the king shall have.
 
2012-12-16 12:31:28 AM

whatshisname: Agent Nick Fury: whatshisname: Amos Quito: Rights are easy to surrender. Getting them back can be a tad more difficult.

What a lame and entirely predictable response. The "right" to stick a gun down your pants and go to the mall is not a right at all. It's a weird privilege that seems to be in vogue in states where the IQ rarely creeps above room temperature.

When you say it's 'vogue in states where the IQ rarely creeps above room temperature' you sound rather racist.

Please explain how you jumped to that conclusion, because it in itself sounds very racist.


Bigoted not raciest.
 
2012-12-16 12:34:31 AM

Amos Quito: rappy: It's so obvious what needs to be done. Everyone hand over their guns and we destroy them. We hunt down the black market guns and destroy those.


Cool.

We swap out the :WAR ON DRUGS for the WAR ON GUNS.

Keeps the cops happy, the prisons full of people who shouldn't be there, and the public laps it up like regurgitated dog food.

Utopia is ours.


The correct word you're looking for is "Eutopia." You literally said "No place" is ours.
 
2012-12-16 12:36:03 AM

kombi: ok a knife. cant find the link to the story


You mean this one?

The one where 22 people were injured and not killed?
 
2012-12-16 12:37:24 AM
The Sandy Hook shooter broke multiple gun laws. It is unclear how simply adding more thereby making it "double secret illegal" will help. Even more so shooters proclivity to escape the consequences or their actions by eating a bullet. Of course modification of gun legislation should not be off the table. Changes should be considered carefully and rationally, applied and measured and not just adopted in a knee jerk convulsion so common in American politics.

More aggressive funding for mental health care and more proactive treatment for disturbed individuals has been problematic for years and is pretty much a no-brainer at this point. This is most likely the biggest return on investment.

Unfortunately when all is said and done nothing will prevent a next tragedy. A suitably motivated individual, sane or not, willing to sacrifice his life to commit a monstrous act will ultimately find a way. Regulating pipes, household chemicals and sharp objects is simply not practical. The sad truth is that despite our best efforts to make the system monster proof the world will ultimately build a better monster.
 
2012-12-16 12:37:41 AM
Yes thank you. I was mistaken but I stand by my post.

Think of the children.
 
2012-12-16 12:38:22 AM

whatshisname: Amos Quito: Rights are easy to surrender. Getting them back can be a tad more difficult.

What a lame and entirely predictable response. The "right" to stick a gun down your pants and go to the mall is not a right at all. It's a weird privilege that seems to be in vogue in states where the IQ rarely creeps above room temperature.


If you want to have a real conversation, you need to stop with the insults, it's not helping and it's going to make more people tune you out.


styckx: The only thing that bothers me is this.

What laws 5 years from now will be acted upon and when someone goes "When the fark did that bullshiat get passed into law and who the fark allowed it??" Then someone replies "Back in 2012 when panicky petes begged and pleaded at the feet of the Government to do something about all those shootings this is the result"


I kind of agree with this and Amos Quito a bit further up, but I think we're going to end up crapping a short-sighted law out as fast as we can to try get some facade of safety, a bandage over a bullet wound.
 
2012-12-16 12:39:25 AM

kombi: I think its kind of simple. As a gun owner and collector my guns are secure. They are not loaded Ammo is not stored with them. They are locked in a safe in a locked closet. Not put in a nightstand drawer loaded. Cocked and locked. We have a 2nd amendment right to own guns. That does not mean everyone should have them.
If mom would have had her guns stored properly. May not have happened. She might still be alive. There is something that all thees shooters have in common. There crazy. Maybe if mommy and daddy gave a crap and the schools where not afraid to label kids. They might get help. Stereotypes exists for a reason. They are based in truth. Goth kids are usually screwed up. Jocks are ass holes. Cheerleaders ass holes...Goes on and on.


I confess I am very curious as to why and how the mother got an AR-15 equivalent.
 
2012-12-16 12:40:03 AM

kombi: ok a knife. cant find the link to the story


22 injured by a knife-wielding madman. No 13 killed. Nice try tho.
 
2012-12-16 12:40:22 AM

Sirveaux: kombi: ok a knife. cant find the link to the story

You mean this one?

The one where 22 people were injured and not killed?


Because it's A-OK to slash kids with a knife. No permanent physical or mental damage could possibly be inflicted by such an act.

Your argument holds as much water as a pitcher made of chicken wire.
 
2012-12-16 12:40:30 AM

rappy: Amos Quito: rappy: It's so obvious what needs to be done. Everyone hand over their guns and we destroy them. We hunt down the black market guns and destroy those.


Cool.

We swap out the :WAR ON DRUGS for the WAR ON GUNS.

Keeps the cops happy, the prisons full of people who shouldn't be there, and the public laps it up like regurgitated dog food.

Utopia is ours.

If you own a gun you probably deserve to be there.


Yes, because the "war on drugs" has worked out so well.....
 
2012-12-16 12:40:58 AM

whatshisname: Agent Nick Fury: whatshisname: Amos Quito: Rights are easy to surrender. Getting them back can be a tad more difficult.

What a lame and entirely predictable response. The "right" to stick a gun down your pants and go to the mall is not a right at all. It's a weird privilege that seems to be in vogue in states where the IQ rarely creeps above room temperature.

When you say it's 'vogue in states where the IQ rarely creeps above room temperature' you sound rather racist.

Please explain how you jumped to that conclusion, because it in itself sounds very racist.


President Obama was asked a question by ABC in February of 2011 about education reform and the reporter noted an article by Scientific America showing that Mississippi, Louisiana, and Arkansas high school seniors showed the lowest IQs of any states in the union.

He replied that there was a lot of factors that contributed to that figure including financial and parental issues amongst African American families that were not necessarily their fault and, that anyone who tried to prove otherwise, were taking advantage of racial prejudice.

Congratulations.
 
2012-12-16 12:41:45 AM
If we want security, the options are:
- get rid of all weapons that have no purpose but murder so the gun nuts can't exercise their fantasies OR
- a complete and absolute loss of privacy and freedoms

If those are the choices then fark gun nuts.

Guns would not scare me so much if not for the fact that every single person I have ever met who wants an assault rifle is EXACTLY the kind of person who I think would go on a killing spree.
 
2012-12-16 12:41:53 AM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: kombi: I think its kind of simple. As a gun owner and collector my guns are secure. They are not loaded Ammo is not stored with them. They are locked in a safe in a locked closet. Not put in a nightstand drawer loaded. Cocked and locked. We have a 2nd amendment right to own guns. That does not mean everyone should have them.
If mom would have had her guns stored properly. May not have happened. She might still be alive. There is something that all thees shooters have in common. There crazy. Maybe if mommy and daddy gave a crap and the schools where not afraid to label kids. They might get help. Stereotypes exists for a reason. They are based in truth. Goth kids are usually screwed up. Jocks are ass holes. Cheerleaders ass holes...Goes on and on.

I confess I am very curious as to why and how the mother got an AR-15 equivalent.


I have two. There fun to shoot. I think its funny that thats the gun we are hearing about when no one was shot with that gun. It was in the car.

As I like to say Im your best defense when we are attacked by the tin can army.
 
2012-12-16 12:43:08 AM

Agent Nick Fury: whatshisname: Amos Quito: Rights are easy to surrender. Getting them back can be a tad more difficult.

What a lame and entirely predictable response. The "right" to stick a gun down your pants and go to the mall is not a right at all. It's a weird privilege that seems to be in vogue in states where the IQ rarely creeps above room temperature.

When you say it's 'vogue in states where the IQ rarely creeps above room temperature' you sound rather racist.


But you are the one connecting the dots.
 
2012-12-16 12:45:46 AM

Agent Nick Fury: He replied that there was a lot of factors that contributed to that figure including financial and parental issues amongst African American families that were not necessarily their fault and, that anyone who tried to prove otherwise, were taking advantage of racial prejudice.

Congratulations.



I was not aware of those statistics, but maybe you can look further that that one study? In my experience there is no racial divide for stupidity.
 
2012-12-16 12:46:23 AM

doglover: rappy: Arming citizens is the dumbest idea anyone ever had. People are too f*cking dumb to handle that kind of power and responsibility.

I agree. As soon as I get power, first thing to go is people's weapons. Then, I'mma start takin' their stuff. Jewelry, money, kids, it don't matter. What the king wants, the king shall have.


I want the dogs and the cars.
 
2012-12-16 12:47:20 AM
Does not matter

whatshisname: Agent Nick Fury: He replied that there was a lot of factors that contributed to that figure including financial and parental issues amongst African American families that were not necessarily their fault and, that anyone who tried to prove otherwise, were taking advantage of racial prejudice.

Congratulations.


I was not aware of those statistics, but maybe you can look further that that one study? In my experience there is no racial divide for stupidity.


Does not matter what color you are. Stupid is as stupid does.
 
2012-12-16 12:47:21 AM

KimNorth: "Obama Ready for 'Meaningful Action' on Gun Control" Really because yeasterday in China a crazed man went into a school and slashed over 20 children with a knife...seems our Governments God control on everything has lead this Country into this problem!


How many of those children died?

you mad straw dude?
 
2012-12-16 12:47:51 AM

Digital Communist: If we want security, the options are:
- get rid of all weapons that have no purpose but murder so the gun nuts can't exercise their fantasies OR
- a complete and absolute loss of privacy and freedoms

If those are the choices then fark gun nuts.

Guns would not scare me so much if not for the fact that every single person I have ever met who wants an assault rifle is EXACTLY the kind of person who I think would go on a killing spree.


So change the Constitution because everybody you know is a farking douchebag?

Really, every single person you know?

How much of an assbaby are you that everybody you know wants to kill people?
 
2012-12-16 12:48:56 AM

Sirveaux: kombi: ok a knife. cant find the link to the story

You mean this one?

The one where 22 people were injured and not killed?


I understand the sentiment in not wanting all those kids to be dead and all, but everytime somebody calls back to the Chinese story, I'm think people are not really looking at the story. They're not looking at the fact that a man went into a school, and without provocation or warning, just went berserk and attacked a bunch of kids. Right now, it's all "NO GUNS = NO DEATHS!!1!" You want your kids being stabbed? Do you think that those parents feel safe now?
 
2012-12-16 12:49:35 AM

TotallyHeadless: Young men have no avenues to become heros anymore. Unless you are popular, athletic, or incredibly lucky, there is not much young men can aspire to.

So if you can't become a hero, what can you do?

Become a villain.


This, sadly.
 
2012-12-16 12:50:52 AM

Digital Communist: If we want security, the options are:
- get rid of all weapons that have no purpose but murder so the gun nuts can't exercise their fantasies OR
- a complete and absolute loss of privacy and freedoms

If those are the choices then fark gun nuts.

Guns would not scare me so much if not for the fact that every single person I have ever met who wants an assault rifle is EXACTLY the kind of person who I think would go on a killing spree.


This was sarcasm, right? Right?
 
2012-12-16 12:53:32 AM

oMaJoJ: Sirveaux: kombi: ok a knife. cant find the link to the story

You mean this one?

The one where 22 people were injured and not killed?

I understand the sentiment in not wanting all those kids to be dead and all, but everytime somebody calls back to the Chinese story, I'm think people are not really looking at the story. They're not looking at the fact that a man went into a school, and without provocation or warning, just went berserk and attacked a bunch of kids. Right now, it's all "NO GUNS = NO DEATHS!!1!" You want your kids being stabbed? Do you think that those parents feel safe now?


I really dont think there is muck of a solution. Just watch your kids and talk to them. Thats all we can really do. I guess the only way to keep them safe is outlaw men/boys 12 to 30.
 
2012-12-16 12:54:38 AM

X-boxershorts: KimNorth: "Obama Ready for 'Meaningful Action' on Gun Control" Really because yeasterday in China a crazed man went into a school and slashed over 20 children with a knife...seems our Governments God control on everything has lead this Country into this problem!

How many of those children died?

you mad straw dude?


Really?? I bet it takes a brick on the head for you to get a point, you mad cow person....( *

Sliced, diced, whatever crazy will find a way.
 
2012-12-16 12:54:47 AM

Guntram Shatterhand:
I agree with this. While having easy access to guns does not help, but the problem here is one of psychology
America has a pisspoor idea on psychological help, especially since a lot of our value comes from work that, thanks to the economy, is now easily replaced. We're a nation of people who work hard and play little and see our bodies as something to exhaust either through poor diet or a real lack of medical care. In a weird way, the way we set up our culture is that we are the ultimate disposable commodity to be used, abused, and buried after we finally use up our use as workers. This clashes with our mentality as 'individuals' and 'pioneers' who are supposed to be self-reliant 100% of the time regardless of the consequences, yet supposed to be constantly ambitious enough to live up to a nuclear family mentality regardless of what we really want.
So, in a nutshell, we're self-destructive physically and alienated emotionally/mentally. Is it a farking wonder why some of us snap like this? The sad truth isn't that the American Way of Life (Working yourself to death and living a pre-packaged existence) isn't dying, its that it isn't dying fast enough. We only get one shot at this world, and being a human machine is no way to go about it. Most of us seek solace in addictions. And some ...


I must "this" this.

It's not guns, it's US. All of us, not just those few rare ones who actually kill.
 
2012-12-16 12:54:49 AM

X-boxershorts: Amos Quito: rappy: It's so obvious what needs to be done. Everyone hand over their guns and we destroy them. We hunt down the black market guns and destroy those.


Cool.

We swap out the :WAR ON DRUGS for the WAR ON GUNS.

Keeps the cops happy, the prisons full of people who shouldn't be there, and the public laps it up like regurgitated dog food.

Utopia is ours.

Don't laugh...if your civilian law enforcement is less armed, the paranoia of the cowardly right will become lessened



And all indications are that "your civilian law enforcement" is becoming "less armed", right?

LOL!

What is the definition of "government"?

And what do those who mean to "govern" ultimately intend to do? If not in this generation, in the next?

Any voice of dissent is meaningless unless it is backed by the ability to resist - at some level.

Contrary to carefully contrived popular belief, the Second Amendment was NOT intended to give the government access to arms, but to give PEOPLE the right and ability to resist the tyranny into which ALL governments eventually devolve.

It is the nature of the beast.

Keep the beast leashed.
 
2012-12-16 12:55:36 AM

X-boxershorts: KimNorth: "Obama Ready for 'Meaningful Action' on Gun Control" Really because yeasterday in China a crazed man went into a school and slashed over 20 children with a knife...seems our Governments God control on everything has lead this Country into this problem!

How many of those children died?

you mad straw dude?


Howabout the 2008 Osaka kitchen knife school killings? Does eight dead children suit your fancy better than 22 wounded?

Wiki
 
2012-12-16 12:58:36 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Chavez was ...using school computers to research a .22-caliber rifle mounted on a machine gun platform.

A real criminal genius we're dealing with here.


That's weird... Wouldn't a platform of some sort be stationary?
Someone correct me on this.
 
2012-12-16 12:59:38 AM

slashmonkey: The Sandy Hook shooter broke multiple gun laws. It is unclear how simply adding more thereby making it "double secret illegal" will help. Even more so shooters proclivity to escape the consequences or their actions by eating a bullet. Of course modification of gun legislation should not be off the table. Changes should be considered carefully and rationally, applied and measured and not just adopted in a knee jerk convulsion so common in American politics.

More aggressive funding for mental health care and more proactive treatment for disturbed individuals has been problematic for years and is pretty much a no-brainer at this point. This is most likely the biggest return on investment.

Unfortunately when all is said and done nothing will prevent a next tragedy. A suitably motivated individual, sane or not, willing to sacrifice his life to commit a monstrous act will ultimately find a way. Regulating pipes, household chemicals and sharp objects is simply not practical. The sad truth is that despite our best efforts to make the system monster proof the world will ultimately build a better monster.


And this is another example of why I have you farkied as "One of very few who stay rational"
 
2012-12-16 01:02:34 AM

Amos Quito: And what do those who mean to "govern" ultimately intend to do? If not in this generation, in the next?


They mean to become America's Royalty. When only the wealthy have any meaningful sway in government, the delineation becomes more and more drastic. They shall govern what the commoners can and can not do, while abiding by a different set of rules and regulations, with the ability to bend them to their will.

The question in my mind is, when comes the breaking point? What level of extremism will it take for people to finally stop tolerating the subjugation?
 
2012-12-16 01:03:05 AM
Well crap,guess I'll go ahead and say it.
Not long after 9-11 I said to myself If I were a terrorist and really wanted to scare the hell out of Americans,I'd hit the schools.Hit them where they live,hit their precious kiddies.Forget the planes,trains,and big buildings.Kick them in the guts with dead children.
Now,in retrospect,I think that if I were a government wanting to disarm my people,I would do the same damn thing.
You may now label me as you wish,don't really care.
 
2012-12-16 01:04:39 AM
I hope that each and every one of you guns rights advocates who have raised their voice in the wake of the shootings over the past few days with cries that we shouldn't "politicize" these events, and that we need now more than ever to protect our right to bear arms...I hope that you all take some time and reach out to the families of those who have died and let them know how thankful you are that their loved ones died so that you could have guns. Those 20 children and 7 adults in CT, the dead in Aurora, Tucson, Columbine, the 30,000+ gun releated deaths that occur each year in the US, that is the price of your freedom.

So raise your flags high, and grip your guns tight, because your hands have an awful lot of blood on them.
 
2012-12-16 01:04:39 AM

Pichu0102: AverageAmericanGuy: Chavez was ...using school computers to research a .22-caliber rifle mounted on a machine gun platform.

A real criminal genius we're dealing with here.

That's weird... Wouldn't a platform of some sort be stationary?
Someone correct me on this.


Sounds to me like he was trying to find a .22 conversion kit, to be attached to a "machine gun" lower receiver.

Link
 
2012-12-16 01:05:43 AM

Pichu0102: AverageAmericanGuy: Chavez was ...using school computers to research a .22-caliber rifle mounted on a machine gun platform.

A real criminal genius we're dealing with here.

That's weird... Wouldn't a platform of some sort be stationary?
Someone correct me on this.


Could be mounted on a hill overlooking the school. Could be mounted on his friends Mom's PT Cruiser.
 
2012-12-16 01:05:56 AM

Martin Silenus: Amos Quito: rappy: It's so obvious what needs to be done. Everyone hand over their guns and we destroy them. We hunt down the black market guns and destroy those.


Cool.

We swap out the :WAR ON DRUGS for the WAR ON GUNS.

Keeps the cops happy, the prisons full of people who shouldn't be there, and the public laps it up like regurgitated dog food.

Utopia is ours.

The correct word you're looking for is "Eutopia." You literally said "No place" is ours.



A thousand pardons!

I humbly bow before your superior mastery of the Enrish Ranguage, sir!


/That being said, you rather made my point, didn't you?
 
2012-12-16 01:06:22 AM

croesius: Pichu0102: AverageAmericanGuy: Chavez was ...using school computers to research a .22-caliber rifle mounted on a machine gun platform.

A real criminal genius we're dealing with here.

That's weird... Wouldn't a platform of some sort be stationary?
Someone correct me on this.

Sounds to me like he was trying to find a .22 conversion kit, to be attached to a "machine gun" lower receiver.

Link


A .22 conversion kit to convert an ar15 .223 style gun to a 22.
 
2012-12-16 01:07:39 AM

rappy: If you own a gun you probably deserve to be there.


what? I deserve to be in prison because I got tired of being f*cking mugged and bought myself a hand gun to protect myself and my home?
 
2012-12-16 01:10:07 AM

rappy: Amos Quito: rappy: It's so obvious what needs to be done. Everyone hand over their guns and we destroy them. We hunt down the black market guns and destroy those.


Cool.

We swap out the :WAR ON DRUGS for the WAR ON GUNS.

Keeps the cops happy, the prisons full of people who shouldn't be there, and the public laps it up like regurgitated dog food.

Utopia is ours.

If you own a gun you probably deserve to be there.



Deserve to be where?

Utopia? (ACK - er, axcuse mee "Eutopia"?


/I'm with Todd Rundgren
 
2012-12-16 01:10:18 AM

KimNorth: X-boxershorts: KimNorth: "Obama Ready for 'Meaningful Action' on Gun Control" Really because yeasterday in China a crazed man went into a school and slashed over 20 children with a knife...seems our Governments God control on everything has lead this Country into this problem!

How many of those children died?

you mad straw dude?

Really?? I bet it takes a brick on the head for you to get a point, you mad cow person....( *

Sliced, diced, whatever crazy will find a way.


Not dead is not dead, dickhead
 
2012-12-16 01:10:30 AM
All I know is that it's my God given right as an American to teach my emotionally disturbed, autistic son how to shoot, reload and shoot again, and to surround him with various types and makes of guns, all the while fetishizing these same guns.

/America, fark yeah!
 
2012-12-16 01:11:25 AM

kombi: croesius: Pichu0102: AverageAmericanGuy: Chavez was ...using school computers to research a .22-caliber rifle mounted on a machine gun platform.

A real criminal genius we're dealing with here.

That's weird... Wouldn't a platform of some sort be stationary?
Someone correct me on this.

Sounds to me like he was trying to find a .22 conversion kit, to be attached to a "machine gun" lower receiver.

Link

A .22 conversion kit to convert an ar15 .223 style gun to a 22.


Yeah, but it makes such better sensationalism if they call it a machine gun.
 
2012-12-16 01:12:04 AM

fusillade762: Just curious: can someone link me to a story where a shooter (or potential shooter) was taken down by an armed civilian? Cops don't count.


Here ya go, no hair splitting, he's an honest to god civilian with a concealed carry license who likely saved a lot of peoples lives by showing the shooter he wasn't the only person armed at the Clackamas Mall Link
 
2012-12-16 01:14:18 AM

Okie_Gunslinger: fusillade762: Just curious: can someone link me to a story where a shooter (or potential shooter) was taken down by an armed civilian? Cops don't count.

Here ya go, no hair splitting, he's an honest to god civilian with a concealed carry license who likely saved a lot of peoples lives by showing the shooter he wasn't the only person armed at the Clackamas Mall Link


You honestly want your kids kindergarten school armed?
 
2012-12-16 01:15:05 AM

WhippingBoy: All I know is that it's my God given right as an American to teach my emotionally disturbed, autistic son how to shoot, reload and shoot again, and to surround him with various types and makes of guns, all the while fetishizing these same guns.

/America, fark yeah!

Thats my point. Im a mechanic. You dont know how many times I have gotten in a car to move or repair them and there are guns crammed between the seats or ammo rolling around on the floor in the cup holders and the door panels. And then a car seat in the back. People owning a gun is a right but for god sakes lock them up and be responsible.
 
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