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(Newser)   The morning of one school shooting, another may have been averted: Police arrested a teenager in northern Oklahoma yesterday for allegedly planning a Columbine-style attack on his high school   (newser.com) divider line 271
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2012-12-15 11:50:10 PM

fusillade762: Just curious: can someone link me to a story where a shooter (or potential shooter) was taken down by an armed civilian? Cops don't count.


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What about Skittles? I think they are potentially dangerous.
 
2012-12-15 11:50:14 PM

Coco LaFemme: When diseases are in epidemic/pandemic mode, we come with a vaccine. What's the vaccine for this shiat?


Universal healthcare, including mental healthcare.
 
2012-12-15 11:51:01 PM

Coco LaFemme: When diseases are in epidemic/pandemic mode, we come with a vaccine. What's the vaccine for this shiat?


To stop putting this crap on the news.

Really. I bet this "alleged" shooter had no intention of going through with it; but I will equally bet you dollars to donuts he has been coming in his pants nonstop since the cops took him seriously enough to arrest him for it.
 
2012-12-15 11:51:51 PM
Two things you NEVER give crazy: a baby and a gun.
 
2012-12-15 11:52:33 PM

fusillade762: Just curious: can someone link me to a story where a shooter (or potential shooter) was taken down by an armed civilian? Cops don't count.


The trolly square shooter was killed by an armed person in the mall at the time. Its also funny that he was middle eastern yelling allah when he was shot but the press never mentioned it. Just the witnesses mentioned it.

Just looked at story and the hero is an off duty officer that had his weapon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_Square_shooting
 
2012-12-15 11:52:56 PM

emersonbiggins: Woohoo Bartlesville-
Come for the school massacre, stay for Frank Lloyd Wright's only built skyscraper: 
[cls.cdn-hotels.com image 243x350]


Actually, massacre averted. Turns out we're a little bit more aware on the whole guns-and-bombs plot type nutters here...what with the Murrah Building and all...
 
2012-12-15 11:54:20 PM

TotallyHeadless: Young men have no avenues to become heros anymore. Unless you are popular, athletic, or incredibly lucky, there is not much young men can aspire to.

So if you can't become a hero, what can you do?

Become a villain.


A hero is in the eye of the beholder.

I saw a guy last weekend with a Heath Ledger Joker tattoo on his neck.

I know, only fun and games, no big deal, what's all the hubbub about.
 
2012-12-15 11:54:58 PM
It's so obvious what needs to be done. Everyone hand over their guns and we destroy them. We hunt down the black market guns and destroy those.
 
2012-12-15 11:56:12 PM

wildcardjack: emersonbiggins: Woohoo Bartlesville-
Come for the school massacre, stay for Frank Lloyd Wright's only built skyscraper: 
[cls.cdn-hotels.com image 243x350]

That's not bad for a skyscraper. I wonder how the interior space works.


Great, if you're FLW. Not so great if you're a man over 5' 9", but typical of most of his work. Makes for a sharp hotel, though:

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2012-12-15 11:57:24 PM

Baloo Uriza: Coco LaFemme: When diseases are in epidemic/pandemic mode, we come with a vaccine. What's the vaccine for this shiat?

Universal healthcare, including mental healthcare.


Really?

Mental healthcare - here is a perscription for your mental health problems - WHAT? He killed twelve people? - Evidently he stopped taking his medication.

How do you make sure all these mental health victims take their 'medications'?
 
2012-12-15 11:57:39 PM

Arcturus72: fusillade762: Just curious: can someone link me to a story where a shooter (or potential shooter) was taken down by an armed civilian? Cops don't count.

It seems most of these shootings occur in "gun free zones" where, you guessed it, most people don't carry their guns into... Because it would not matter if you took some whacko out that was killing people, YOU broke the law and are now going to jail, and will never get to legally carry a gun anymore...

Damned if you do... Sort of thing...


Fort Hood was a gun-free zone?
 
2012-12-15 11:57:43 PM

Coco LaFemme: When diseases are in epidemic/pandemic mode, we come with a vaccine. What's the vaccine for this shiat?


I'd argue for quarantine
 
2012-12-15 11:58:30 PM

fusillade762: Just curious: can someone link me to a story where a shooter (or potential shooter) was taken down by an armed civilian? Cops don't count.


Link
 
2012-12-15 11:58:38 PM

fusillade762: Just curious: can someone link me to a story where a shooter (or potential shooter) was taken down by an armed civilian? Cops don't count.


Here ya go

http://www.break.com/index/71-year-old-man-shoots-cafe-robbers-234932 8
 
2012-12-15 11:58:47 PM

rappy: It's so obvious what needs to be done. Everyone hand over their guns and we destroy them. We hunt down the black market guns and destroy those.


Like we do illegal drugs.........yeah, that will work
 
2012-12-15 11:58:47 PM

graeylin: fusillade762: Just curious: can someone link me to a story where a shooter (or potential shooter) was taken down by an armed civilian? Cops don't count.

a quick look at google.. i make no promises.


Thanks. I was actually looking for an honest answer and not trolling. I figured someone would have already compiled a list to back up the "If they'd been armed this wouldn't have happened" retorts. 

And I should have expected the hairsplitting on the cop/civilian thing, even though I think it was pretty clear what I meant.
 
2012-12-15 11:59:54 PM
Arming citizens is the dumbest idea anyone ever had. People are too f*cking dumb to handle that kind of power and responsibility.
 
2012-12-16 12:02:11 AM

snowshovel: Arcturus72: fusillade762: Just curious: can someone link me to a story where a shooter (or potential shooter) was taken down by an armed civilian? Cops don't count.

It seems most of these shootings occur in "gun free zones" where, you guessed it, most people don't carry their guns into... Because it would not matter if you took some whacko out that was killing people, YOU broke the law and are now going to jail, and will never get to legally carry a gun anymore...

Damned if you do... Sort of thing...

Fort Hood was a gun-free zone?


Oh please. You think a bunch of government employees would know how to defend themselves?
 
2012-12-16 12:02:42 AM
We need a final solution for America's gun problem.

It's not just mass murders or murders either...there are tens of thousands of suicides and accidental shooting deaths going back years as well (that other advanced countries do not suffer).

I'm all for culling the herd, especially dumb gun owners who accidentally shoot their kid mistaking him as a burger, etc., et al, but the insanity has to stop some time.
 
2012-12-16 12:02:42 AM

rappy: Arming citizens is the dumbest idea anyone ever had. People are too f*cking dumb to handle that kind of power and responsibility.


Seriously. Have any of you seen how people drive? I don't want those people behind a wheel let alone behind a trigger.
 
2012-12-16 12:03:49 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Chavez was ...using school computers to research a .22-caliber rifle mounted on a machine gun platform.

A real criminal genius we're dealing with here.


someone wasn't hugged enough as a child

/nonstory
 
2012-12-16 12:04:42 AM

Coco LaFemme: When diseases are in epidemic/pandemic mode, we come with a vaccine. What's the vaccine for this shiat?


Perhaps, on some level, they're seeking a rush/chemical change in the brain that is achieved, or at least they think will be achieved, by going through with a shooting.
 
2012-12-16 12:05:35 AM

Primum: tens of thousands of suicides and accidental shooting deaths going back years as well (that other advanced countries do not suffer)


Japan and Scandinavian countries generally have less access to firearms and more gun control.

Guess how suicide rates compare?
 
2012-12-16 12:05:59 AM

Coco LaFemme: When diseases are in epidemic/pandemic mode, we come with a vaccine. What's the vaccine for this shiat?


Higher taxes on the wealthy to pay for health care? Especially mental health care...

Seriously though, a society based upon competition, where the rules are truly balanced towards those with resources
will create a never ending stream of similar monsters who feel they can't compete

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Hot as a spent shell casing
 
2012-12-16 12:06:06 AM
Quick! To the Huckabee phone! We need more Jesus in Oklahoma!
 
2012-12-16 12:06:38 AM

TotallyHeadless: Young men have no avenues to become heros anymore. Unless you are popular, athletic, or incredibly lucky, there is not much young men can aspire to.

So if you can't become a hero, what can you do?

Become a villain.


That's shallow, short sighted and impulsive thinking. But then look at the people who shoot up other people. They are shallow, short sighted and impulsive thinking.
 
2012-12-16 12:06:52 AM

Agent Nick Fury: How do you make sure all these mental health victims take their 'medications'?


You don't. What you do is make sure you don;t glorify gun violence and make it easy for people to obtain said weapons. Then you might become a typical western nation where you measure deaths by handguns in the dozens rather than the tens of thousands.
 
2012-12-16 12:07:06 AM

whatshisname: Amos Quito: It's an authoritarian's dream come true, is what it is.

Good God.

Would you rather be living in a cave and looking over your shoulder for the next club to come along and whack you? People are stupid. A civilized society requires rules and regulations.



I'm sure that you're perfectly comfortable in surrendering all ability to resist to this guy

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But how do you feel about this guy

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Or this guy

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Or this guy

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Or this guy

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And the inevitable Godwin

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Ceding to authority may sound like a good idea, but times change, rulers change, and authoritarianism ALWAYS leads to tyranny.

Rights are easy to surrender. Getting them back can be a tad more difficult.
 
2012-12-16 12:08:51 AM

Amos Quito: Rights are easy to surrender. Getting them back can be a tad more difficult.


End the war on drugs.

There is nothing more fascist about America than the war on drugs
 
2012-12-16 12:09:14 AM

Primum: I'm all for culling the herd, especially dumb gun owners who accidentally shoot their kid mistaking him as a burger, etc.


I laughed. But then I remembered what a lot of American kids look like these days.
 
2012-12-16 12:10:19 AM

fusillade762: graeylin: fusillade762: Just curious: can someone link me to a story where a shooter (or potential shooter) was taken down by an armed civilian? Cops don't count.

a quick look at google.. i make no promises.

Thanks. I was actually looking for an honest answer and not trolling. I figured someone would have already compiled a list to back up the "If they'd been armed this wouldn't have happened" retorts. 

And I should have expected the hairsplitting on the cop/civilian thing, even though I think it was pretty clear what I meant.


Hey that was just the only one I could think of off the top of my head.
 
2012-12-16 12:10:45 AM

whatshisname: Agent Nick Fury: How do you make sure all these mental health victims take their 'medications'?

You don't. What you do is make sure you don;t glorify gun violence and make it easy for people to obtain said weapons. Then you might become a typical western nation where you measure deaths by handguns in the dozens rather than the tens of thousands.


When you say glorify gun violence are you talking about Quentin Tarantino movies, Call of Duty video games, New York Knick games, or the second amendment?
 
2012-12-16 12:12:31 AM

Amos Quito: Rights are easy to surrender. Getting them back can be a tad more difficult.


What a lame and entirely predictable response. The "right" to stick a gun down your pants and go to the mall is not a right at all. It's a weird privilege that seems to be in vogue in states where the IQ rarely creeps above room temperature.
 
2012-12-16 12:13:16 AM

Agent Nick Fury: whatshisname: Agent Nick Fury: How do you make sure all these mental health victims take their 'medications'?

You don't. What you do is make sure you don;t glorify gun violence and make it easy for people to obtain said weapons. Then you might become a typical western nation where you measure deaths by handguns in the dozens rather than the tens of thousands.

When you say glorify gun violence are you talking about Quentin Tarantino movies, Call of Duty video games, New York Knick games, or the second amendment?


All of the above.
 
2012-12-16 12:14:06 AM

Amos Quito: whatshisname: Amos Quito: It's an authoritarian's dream come true, is what it is.

Good God.

Would you rather be living in a cave and looking over your shoulder for the next club to come along and whack you? People are stupid. A civilized society requires rules and regulations.


I'm sure that you're perfectly comfortable in surrendering all ability to resist to this guy

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x299]

But how do you feel about this guy

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x293]

Or this guy

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x275]

Or this guy

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x315]

Or this guy

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x299]

And the inevitable Godwin

[upload.wikimedia.org image 230x364]

Ceding to authority may sound like a good idea, but times change, rulers change, and authoritarianism ALWAYS leads to tyranny.

Rights are easy to surrender. Getting them back can be a tad more difficult.


I'm not arguing for or against handgun restrictions in this post. (Which is, I suspect, the type of gun restrictions people will ask for in the wake of this)

but I wish to point out that if we were resisting the government, using FARKING HANDGUNS to do it, semi-automatic or not, would be, um.

Very short lived. Also INCREDIBLY STUPID.
 
2012-12-16 12:14:58 AM

rappy: It's so obvious what needs to be done. Everyone hand over their guns and we destroy them. We hunt down the black market guns and destroy those.



Cool.

We swap out the :WAR ON DRUGS for the WAR ON GUNS.

Keeps the cops happy, the prisons full of people who shouldn't be there, and the public laps it up like regurgitated dog food.

Utopia is ours.
 
2012-12-16 12:16:04 AM

whatshisname: Agent Nick Fury: whatshisname: Agent Nick Fury: How do you make sure all these mental health victims take their 'medications'?

You don't. What you do is make sure you don;t glorify gun violence and make it easy for people to obtain said weapons. Then you might become a typical western nation where you measure deaths by handguns in the dozens rather than the tens of thousands.

When you say glorify gun violence are you talking about Quentin Tarantino movies, Call of Duty video games, New York Knick games, or the second amendment?

All of the above.


So ban everything - make us dress in uniform, share the harvest evenly, and march in lockstep.

Usually doesn't work.
 
2012-12-16 12:16:27 AM

snowshovel: Fort Hood was a gun-free zone?


Mostly, yes.
Or did you think that every soldier walks around with a loaded weapon at all times?
 
2012-12-16 12:17:27 AM

Agent Nick Fury: So ban everything - make us dress in uniform, share the harvest evenly, and march in lockstep.


Yeah, that's exactly what I said.
 
2012-12-16 12:17:30 AM

Amos Quito: rappy: It's so obvious what needs to be done. Everyone hand over their guns and we destroy them. We hunt down the black market guns and destroy those.


Cool.

We swap out the :WAR ON DRUGS for the WAR ON GUNS.

Keeps the cops happy, the prisons full of people who shouldn't be there, and the public laps it up like regurgitated dog food.

Utopia is ours.


Don't laugh...if your civilian law enforcement is less armed, the paranoia of the cowardly right will become lessened
 
2012-12-16 12:17:55 AM

whatshisname: Amos Quito: Rights are easy to surrender. Getting them back can be a tad more difficult.

What a lame and entirely predictable response. The "right" to stick a gun down your pants and go to the mall is not a right at all. It's a weird privilege that seems to be in vogue in states where the IQ rarely creeps above room temperature.


When you say it's 'vogue in states where the IQ rarely creeps above room temperature' you sound rather racist.
 
2012-12-16 12:18:06 AM

Agent Nick Fury: whatshisname: Agent Nick Fury: whatshisname: Agent Nick Fury: How do you make sure all these mental health victims take their 'medications'?

You don't. What you do is make sure you don;t glorify gun violence and make it easy for people to obtain said weapons. Then you might become a typical western nation where you measure deaths by handguns in the dozens rather than the tens of thousands.

When you say glorify gun violence are you talking about Quentin Tarantino movies, Call of Duty video games, New York Knick games, or the second amendment?

All of the above.

So ban everything - make us dress in uniform, share the harvest evenly, and march in lockstep.

Usually doesn't work.


pauliecannoli.files.wordpress.com

You doubt the power of fear mongering and groupthink.
 
2012-12-16 12:23:05 AM
I think its kind of simple. As a gun owner and collector my guns are secure. They are not loaded Ammo is not stored with them. They are locked in a safe in a locked closet. Not put in a nightstand drawer loaded. Cocked and locked. We have a 2nd amendment right to own guns. That does not mean everyone should have them.
If mom would have had her guns stored properly. May not have happened. She might still be alive. There is something that all thees shooters have in common. There crazy. Maybe if mommy and daddy gave a crap and the schools where not afraid to label kids. They might get help. Stereotypes exists for a reason. They are based in truth. Goth kids are usually screwed up. Jocks are ass holes. Cheerleaders ass holes...Goes on and on.
 
2012-12-16 12:23:58 AM
"Obama Ready for 'Meaningful Action' on Gun Control" Really because yeasterday in China a crazed man went into a school and slashed over 20 children with a knife...seems our Governments God control on everything has lead this Country into this problem!
 
2012-12-16 12:24:55 AM

Mentat: Just for the record, Oklahoma allows open carry.


Which is why I think this kid was just screaming for attention. We need to figure out what is wrong with these people, so we can pick out the crasy from the big mouth punks.
 
2012-12-16 12:25:33 AM
What about the story yesterday? I think it was 13 kids killed in Japan or China with a sword?

BAN ALL SHARP METAL.. Think of the children.
 
2012-12-16 12:25:56 AM

0Icky0: Quick! To the Huckabee phone! We need more Jesus in Oklahoma!


Huckabee's Jesus is like a vampire: he must be invited in first. Once he's in, he's all powerful. Or something.
 
2012-12-16 12:26:30 AM
snowshovel: Fort Hood was a gun-free zone?

Yes, pretty much. Just like most places of normal business in the US, the only guns allowed on base were those of security, and those on the ranges. Personal weapons were locked up by the provost marshall, and not allowed to be carried by base personnel.
 
2012-12-16 12:26:39 AM
ok a knife. cant find the link to the story
 
2012-12-16 12:26:47 AM

GungFu: fusillade762: Just curious: can someone link me to a story where a shooter (or potential shooter) was taken down by an armed civilian? Cops don't count.

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What about Skittles? I think they are potentially dangerous.


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And how!
 
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