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(Newser)   The morning of one school shooting, another may have been averted: Police arrested a teenager in northern Oklahoma yesterday for allegedly planning a Columbine-style attack on his high school   (newser.com) divider line 271
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2012-12-15 08:44:59 PM  
farkin' A

/DNRTFA
 
2012-12-15 08:50:28 PM  
Chavez was ...using school computers to research a .22-caliber rifle mounted on a machine gun platform.

A real criminal genius we're dealing with here.
 
2012-12-15 09:09:37 PM  
fta: "researching pipe bombs"

now we need pipe control.
 
2012-12-15 09:21:39 PM  
When diseases are in epidemic/pandemic mode, we come with a vaccine. What's the vaccine for this shiat?
 
2012-12-15 09:29:07 PM  
Just curious: can someone link me to a story where a shooter (or potential shooter) was taken down by an armed civilian? Cops don't count.
 
2012-12-15 09:36:53 PM  

Coco LaFemme: What's the vaccine for this shiat?


Look in the mirror.

Turn off the TV...or at least the sensationalized coverage as provided by the major networks. The thing that spree shooters want is notoriety in death that they couldn't achieve in life.
 
2012-12-15 09:39:06 PM  

Gulper Eel: Coco LaFemme: What's the vaccine for this shiat?

Look in the mirror.

Turn off the TV...or at least the sensationalized coverage as provided by the major networks. The thing that spree shooters want is notoriety in death that they couldn't achieve in life.


I have no problem not watching network or cable news in this country, because I haven't in years. It all sucks. It's either biased left, biased right, or incompetent.
 
2012-12-15 09:51:52 PM  

Gulper Eel: Turn off the TV...or at least the sensationalized coverage as provided by the major networks. The thing that spree shooters want is notoriety in death that they couldn't achieve in life.


I've never understood that. What do you care, if you're dead and not there to see it? Where is the payoff if you don't get to see the end results? Maybe I'm just not a criminally insane psychopath, so I am glad I can't understand it, but it's incredibly confusing to me.
 
2012-12-15 09:58:21 PM  

serpent_sky: I've never understood that. What do you care, if you're dead and not there to see it? Where is the payoff if you don't get to see the end results? Maybe I'm just not a criminally insane psychopath, so I am glad I can't understand it, but it's incredibly confusing to me.


Simple Answer: Some people just want to see the world burn. They don't care if they're there to see the results of it
Complex Answer with much Psychology behind the short reply: Spree killers are out to punish the people they see as having wronged them. They do not typically stop until this is accomplished, they run out of ammo, or they are neutralized by another individual.
 
2012-12-15 09:59:47 PM  

serpent_sky: Gulper Eel: Turn off the TV...or at least the sensationalized coverage as provided by the major networks. The thing that spree shooters want is notoriety in death that they couldn't achieve in life.

I've never understood that. What do you care, if you're dead and not there to see it? Where is the payoff if you don't get to see the end results? Maybe I'm just not a criminally insane psychopath, so I am glad I can't understand it, but it's incredibly confusing to me.


Some people want to leave a legacy.
This is no different than a rich guy having his name put on a building that he donated as part of his will.
 
2012-12-15 10:02:45 PM  

Gulper Eel: Coco LaFemme: What's the vaccine for this shiat?

Look in the mirror.

Turn off the TV...or at least the sensationalized coverage as provided by the major networks. The thing that spree shooters want is notoriety in death that they couldn't achieve in life.


I really wish the media would start referring to these "people" with demeaning names: "the jerk who killed defenseless kids" (ok, that doesn't roll off the tongue).

I remember fark was doing this about one of the recent lunatics, but I don't think it caught on.
 
2012-12-15 10:03:03 PM  

serpent_sky: What do you care, if you're dead and not there to see it?


That's a sane question. Killing a lot of children is not a sane idea. So while yo have a valid question, your thinking is mistaken. You're projecting sanity on looney tunes. It will not help you understand.

An example of a better kind of question for these situations is "How many kids does a shooter have to kill to save the world from the devil?" This is an insane question. The answer will probably not even be numeric, or grammatically correct, but it's more likely to be the basis of a killing spree than a sane idea. This is because sane people don't go on killing sprees.
 
2012-12-15 10:04:36 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: I remember fark was doing this about one of the recent lunatics, but I don't think it caught on.


Because they used a crappy nickname.

If they'd have sat down and used a catchy one, it would have caught on.
 
2012-12-15 10:10:50 PM  

doglover: That's a sane question. Killing a lot of children is not a sane idea. So while yo have a valid question, your thinking is mistaken. You're projecting sanity on looney tunes. It will not help you understand.


I don't think anyone can understand, which is the problem. Which is also why there is so much interest and talking about it - people want to understand... people want to try and make sense of how and why these things happen. Partly because they are so incredibly incomprehensible, and partly because it would help people to deal . I guess there aren't really any answers, though...
 
2012-12-15 10:14:20 PM  

doglover: serpent_sky: What do you care, if you're dead and not there to see it?

That's a sane question. Killing a lot of children is not a sane idea. So while yo have a valid question, your thinking is mistaken. You're projecting sanity on looney tunes. It will not help you understand.

An example of a better kind of question for these situations is "How many kids does a shooter have to kill to save the world from the devil?" This is an insane question. The answer will probably not even be numeric, or grammatically correct, but it's more likely to be the basis of a killing spree than a sane idea. This is because sane people don't go on killing sprees.


Yeah, that is exactly right.
 
2012-12-15 10:30:15 PM  

serpent_sky: I guess there aren't really any answers, though...


There are if we can find out the causes for why somebody grows up lacking empathy.

I've been reading up on what Simon Baron-Cohen (yep, Borat's cousin) has written on the subject. Trouble is, it's the sort of work that doesn't lend itself well to politics or TV news yammerfests.
 
2012-12-15 10:34:51 PM  

serpent_sky: I guess there aren't really any answers, though...


Crazy people are crazy.
Media exposure is sexy.
Crazy people want sexy, do something crazy to get media exposure.
 
2012-12-15 10:41:34 PM  
Just for the record, Oklahoma allows open carry.
 
2012-12-15 10:56:47 PM  

Gulper Eel: serpent_sky: I guess there aren't really any answers, though...

There are if we can find out the causes for why somebody grows up lacking empathy.

I've been reading up on what Simon Baron-Cohen (yep, Borat's cousin) has written on the subject.


wut? the article you linked to was written by Clare Carlisle.
 
2012-12-15 10:57:27 PM  
Go OK!!
 
2012-12-15 11:18:17 PM  

doglover: tenpoundsofcheese: I remember fark was doing this about one of the recent lunatics, but I don't think it caught on.

Because they used a crappy nickname.

If they'd have sat down and used a catchy one, it would have caught on.


TOT BOMB.
 
2012-12-15 11:20:25 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Chavez was ...using school computers to research a .22-caliber rifle mounted on a machine gun platform.


Did they find a copy of "The Jackle" in hid DVD player?
 
2012-12-15 11:22:48 PM  
Apparently in Oklahoma they illicitly sneak god into their schools thereby avoiding school shootings.
 
2012-12-15 11:23:09 PM  
BronyMedic"Simple Answer: Some people just want to see the world burn."


Bruce Wayne: "So why steal (the precious stones)? "


Alfred Pennyworth: "Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn. "


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2012-12-15 11:24:55 PM  
The only thing that bothers me is this.

What laws 5 years from now will be acted upon and when someone goes "When the fark did that bullshiat get passed into law and who the fark allowed it??" Then someone replies "Back in 2012 when panicky petes begged and pleaded at the feet of the Government to do something about all those shootings this is the result"
 
2012-12-15 11:25:20 PM  

Gulper Eel: serpent_sky: I guess there aren't really any answers, though...

There are if we can find out the causes for why somebody grows up lacking empathy.

I've been reading up on what Simon Baron-Cohen (yep, Borat's cousin) has written on the subject. Trouble is, it's the sort of work that doesn't lend itself well to politics or TV news yammerfests.


The FBI\current psych theory say it's not about empathy--it's just a delusion issue. You can't work on it as an empathy problem, you have to look at it as a schizophrenia issue. Which can be screened for pretty well, actually.
 
2012-12-15 11:26:23 PM  
Draw. And. Quarter.

Seriously.
 
2012-12-15 11:27:44 PM  
You need practice to drink this.

img2.findthebest.com
 
2012-12-15 11:30:58 PM  
I find this SNL intro difficult to fap to.
 
2012-12-15 11:31:24 PM  

Gulper Eel: There are if we can find out the causes for why somebody grows up lacking empathy.


Because their amygdalae don't work. Duh. What to do about that is the hard part.
 
2012-12-15 11:32:16 PM  
What is his Fark ID
 
2012-12-15 11:34:18 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: fta: "researching pipe bombs"

now we need pipe control.


www.michigancriminaldefenselawyerblog.com


Not to worry, the Feds are way ahead of you.
 
2012-12-15 11:34:20 PM  

Begoggle: What is his Fark ID


It clearly wasnt StopArrestingMe
 
2012-12-15 11:37:00 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: fta: "researching pipe bombs"

now we need pipe control.


Pipes are only needed by licensed plumbers and the water department.
 
2012-12-15 11:38:26 PM  
The one thing that surprises me if that I don't here more out of the gun rights activists and organizations getting out in front of these issues. Is the reason for this is that guns are big business in the US, and there is just too much money being made by manufacturers and sellers to even develop more proactive policies towards gun ownership?
 
2012-12-15 11:38:54 PM  
I'm sure he was planning to launch the attack with kitchen knives and Louisville sluggers, since they're just as deadly as semi-automatic guns.

FTA: "Chavez was already practicing with a Colt .45"

I guess I stand corrected again. What a crazy coincidence that easily concealable firearms with 7+ round magazines that can be reloaded in seconds keep popping-up as the weapon of choice for mass-murderers. We should spend another 50 years studying this to see if we can figure out how these killers operate.
 
2012-12-15 11:38:58 PM  
That would have sucked. Two in one day.... But it's clearly a bigger problem than people realize now.
 
2012-12-15 11:39:17 PM  

Coco LaFemme: What's the vaccine for this shiat?


Improved education and mental health care systems. A stronger societal focus on cultivating the mind and the ability to reason and think critically as well as a societal support system for those who have difficulty coping. I'm not saying that anti-intellectualism and extreme, irrational rhetoric are the causes of such incidents. However, I suspect that they are fertilizer which helps such seeds of violence grow unnoticed until the incidents themselves happen.

And, just like as in disease, this would not stop every possible occurrence, but it should reduce the spread. If you want a vaccine, then that is my suggestion.
 
2012-12-15 11:39:30 PM  

fusillade762: Just curious: can someone link me to a story where a shooter (or potential shooter) was taken down by an armed civilian? Cops don't count.



"Cops don't count" as what?

Shooters, or civilians?
 
2012-12-15 11:42:23 PM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: That would have sucked. Two in one day.... But it's clearly a bigger problem than people realize now.



It's an authoritarian's dream come true, is what it is.
 
2012-12-15 11:44:23 PM  

doglover: tenpoundsofcheese: I remember fark was doing this about one of the recent lunatics, but I don't think it caught on.

Because they used a crappy nickname.

If they'd have sat down and used a catchy one, it would have caught on.



Why give them a name at all?

I`m pretty sure none of these idiots want to be remembered as just another number...
 
2012-12-15 11:45:18 PM  

fusillade762: Just curious: can someone link me to a story where a shooter (or potential shooter) was taken down by an armed civilian? Cops don't count.


It seems most of these shootings occur in "gun free zones" where, you guessed it, most people don't carry their guns into... Because it would not matter if you took some whacko out that was killing people, YOU broke the law and are now going to jail, and will never get to legally carry a gun anymore...

Damned if you do... Sort of thing...
 
2012-12-15 11:45:24 PM  
Young men have no avenues to become heros anymore. Unless you are popular, athletic, or incredibly lucky, there is not much young men can aspire to.

So if you can't become a hero, what can you do?

Become a villain.
 
2012-12-15 11:45:45 PM  

Amos Quito: It's an authoritarian's dream come true, is what it is.


Good God.

Would you rather be living in a cave and looking over your shoulder for the next club to come along and whack you? People are stupid. A civilized society requires rules and regulations.
 
2012-12-15 11:46:46 PM  
Woohoo Bartlesville-
Come for the school massacre, stay for Frank Lloyd Wright's only built skyscraper: 
cls.cdn-hotels.com
 
2012-12-15 11:48:16 PM  

fusillade762: Just curious: can someone link me to a story where a shooter (or potential shooter) was taken down by an armed civilian? Cops don't count.


a quick look at google.. i make no promises.

not a shooter... http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top_stories/story/conceal-and-carry-s tabbing-salt-lake-city-smiths/NDNrL1gxeE2rsRhrWCM9dQ.cspx

stopped, without shooting the scumbag: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_School_of_Law_shooting

10/1/1997 - Luke Woodham put on a trench coat to conceal a hunting rifle and entered Pearl High School in Pearl, Mississippi. He killed 3 students before vice principal Joel Myrick apprehended him with a Colt .45 without firing.

4/24/1998 - Andrew Wurst attended a middle school dance in Edinboro, Pennsylvania intent on killing a bully but shot wildly into the crowd. He killed 1 student. James Strand lived next door. When he heard the shots he ran over with his 12 gauge shotgun and apprehended the gunman without firing.

12/9/2007 - Matthew J. Murray entered the Youth With A Mission training center in Arvada, Colorado and killed 2 people, then went to the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado killing 2 more. He was shot and injured by church member Jeanne Assam and commit suicide before police arrived.

4/22/2012 - Kiarron Parker opened fire in a church parking lot in Aurora, Colorado. The shooter killed 1 person before being shot and killed by a member of the congregation who was carrying concealed.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2170728/Two-die-bloody-gun-ba t tle-childrens-soccer-match-raising-death-toll-three.html


and lastly... Most all mass shootings in the USA have been stopped by armed civilians. It's just that many of the armed civilians have been Law Enforcement Officers. Please remember if you are not military you are a civilian, no matter what some Police think.
 
2012-12-15 11:48:30 PM  

styckx: The only thing that bothers me is this.

What laws 5 years from now will be acted upon and when someone goes "When the fark did that bullshiat get passed into law and who the fark allowed it??" Then someone replies "Back in 2012 when panicky petes begged and pleaded at the feet of the Government to do something about all those shootings this is the result"



Does anyone REGRET the Patriot Act? The TSA? The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan???

No???

Then QUIT trying to inject your reason, foresight and rationality into my emotionally fired frenzy, dude!

You're TOTALLY harshing by buzz.
 
2012-12-15 11:49:01 PM  

fusillade762: Just curious: can someone link me to a story where a shooter (or potential shooter) was taken down by an armed civilian? Cops don't count.

 

www.troll.me
 
2012-12-15 11:49:34 PM  

TotallyHeadless: Young men have no avenues to become heros anymore. Unless you are popular, athletic, or incredibly lucky, there is not much young men can aspire to.

So if you can't become a hero, what can you do?

Become a villain. AN HERO


FTFY
 
2012-12-15 11:50:04 PM  

emersonbiggins: Woohoo Bartlesville-
Come for the school massacre, stay for Frank Lloyd Wright's only built skyscraper: 
[cls.cdn-hotels.com image 243x350]


That's not bad for a skyscraper. I wonder how the interior space works.
 
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