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(Fox 6 Birmingham)   Old and busted: local cities prohibit smoking in restaurants and bars. New hotness: federal government prohibits smoking in apartment complexes   (myfoxal.com) divider line 200
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2012-12-15 07:01:34 PM  
Sounds like a building code problem to me.
 
2012-12-15 07:14:26 PM  
The federal government isn't prohibiting it, Troll-mitter.
 
2012-12-15 07:41:23 PM  

propasaurus: The federal government isn't prohibiting it, Troll-mitter.


No, it's the UN
 
2012-12-15 07:49:31 PM  
just chew.
 
2012-12-15 08:37:37 PM  
I'd be okay with shooting smokers on sight, disgusting farking habit.
 
2012-12-15 08:37:43 PM  
I've been praying for this for a long time. Thank you Jesus!
 
2012-12-15 08:38:26 PM  
But freedom?
 
2012-12-15 08:39:11 PM  
Pretty soon there's gonna be a painted red square on the ground and that's where you'll have to smoke. But only one smoker at a time. And it costs $5 per visit.
 
2012-12-15 08:40:17 PM  

iheartscotch: Pretty soon there's gonna be a painted red square on the ground and that's where you'll have to smoke. But only one smoker at a time. And it costs $5 per visit.


And someone will still walk over to you in your square and pretend to cough.
 
2012-12-15 08:42:35 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I'd be okay with shooting smokers on sight, disgusting farking habit.


What about people who smoke when they're not farking? Are they ok?
 
2012-12-15 08:43:19 PM  
Such absolute bullshiat. I hate the smell as well, but don't try and claim that exposure levels in the parts per billion will cause long term adverse affects in otherwise healthy people. The amount of enviromental pollutants with equal or greater concentrations must be in the thousands.
 
2012-12-15 08:44:24 PM  
I knew there was some reason I can't get attractive women with large breasts to visit my apartment. It's that bastard smoker in 4B.
 
2012-12-15 08:45:11 PM  
But we can still smoke in the office, in airplanes and the movie theater, right?

I mean, as long as we don't go crazy with this whole thing...
 
2012-12-15 08:45:25 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I'd be okay with shooting smokers on sight, disgusting farking habit.


trollhard... a troll that tries too hard.
 
2012-12-15 08:45:44 PM  
Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?
 
2012-12-15 08:45:51 PM  
Meanwhile, the truck idling right outside my building is pumping health and long life into my apartment.

//No, seriously. The delivery trucks and the guy with the gas powered snow blower is more obnoxious than my smoking neighbors.
 
2012-12-15 08:46:16 PM  

3dougnight: I knew there was some reason I can't get attractive women with large breasts to visit my apartment. It's that bastard smoker in 4B.


If you start smoking, you might appear as cool as he does and then maybe you'll get some women like him.
 
2012-12-15 08:47:01 PM  

untaken_name: Popcorn Johnny: I'd be okay with shooting smokers on sight, disgusting farking habit.

What about people who smoke when they're not farking? Are they ok?


Not so CSB:
Wife and I were at Cedar Point last summer. Stopped by one of the CLEARLY MARKED smoking areas, sat down and lit up. Guy next to me does the "cough cough" thing, shoots me a dirty look and storms off.
 
2012-12-15 08:47:24 PM  

ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?


Right, like intelligence has EVER been a prerequisite for having opinions on public issues. Sure, buddy. Pull the other one. I read too much Fark to believe that.
 
2012-12-15 08:47:26 PM  

ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?


hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.
 
2012-12-15 08:49:16 PM  
Smoking seems so anachronistic to me. It's just one of those things I associate with the 1950s.

We never see smokers in our area. And smoking is banned just about everywhere we go, including our university campus. However, during our recent visit to England, we saw smokers everywhere. It was really weird.
 
2012-12-15 08:49:40 PM  

maelstrom0370: untaken_name: Popcorn Johnny: I'd be okay with shooting smokers on sight, disgusting farking habit.

What about people who smoke when they're not farking? Are they ok?

Not so CSB:
Wife and I were at Cedar Point last summer. Stopped by one of the CLEARLY MARKED smoking areas, sat down and lit up. Guy next to me does the "cough cough" thing, shoots me a dirty look and storms off.


Hate when I quote the wrong post :/
 
2012-12-15 08:52:41 PM  

BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.


This. Last I checked, drinking wasn't so great for you, but it seems favored upon on FARK.
 
2012-12-15 08:53:32 PM  

MagSeven: iheartscotch: Pretty soon there's gonna be a painted red square on the ground and that's where you'll have to smoke. But only one smoker at a time. And it costs $5 per visit.

And someone will still walk over to you in your square and pretend to cough.


Of course; it will be the sworn duty of anyone who sees someone standing in a red smoking square. How else will the smoker know how horrible, baby murdering, puppy kicking, and dumper of newborn kittens in a gunny sack into a river that they are?
 
2012-12-15 08:54:07 PM  
Honestly surprised more complexes don't just put it in the lease that tenants can't smoke.

Fiancé was a leasing agent for a while... the amount of damage a smoker does to an apt in a year's time is astounding. Freshly painted walls are yellow and gummy; duct work, even after cleaning, is gummy and nasty and reeks of smoke; plastics throughout the apt need replacing; carpets and padding often need to be just torn out and replaced since cleanings don't always work, and so on and so on.

It got to the point where one particular apt had to be stripped down to studs because 2 years after the fact the place was still untenable because of two heavy smokers who lived there a couple years ago. They smoke so heavily that they stained the insulation and drywall opposite.
 
2012-12-15 08:54:09 PM  
Meanwhile everyone living near a busy street is breathing fumes from exhaust and airborne road grime particles. This is the big conspiracy -- tobacco is an easy scapegoat to place blame for health problems actually caused by the automotive-oil-chemical cartel. Once tobacco is illegal and eradicated people will still be breathing the floating debris from millions of dirty vehicles kicking toxic dust into the atmosphere.

/ no one thinks about all of the fine road dust, road dust consisting of ALL the chemicals spilled upon said roads, that gets scattered into the air with every passing tire. I will probably be killed just for knowing about this and farking it to fark.
 
2012-12-15 08:54:39 PM  
It's time to just quit growing tobacco and plant some other kind of weed...I've heard about this stuff that might even have medicinal benefits.

/if it were any other product killing millions each year, it would be outlawed before Boner could weep
 
2012-12-15 08:56:43 PM  
Smoking what?
 
2012-12-15 08:56:53 PM  
Next up: E. coli induced pneumonia is caused by smelling farts on an elevator.
 
2012-12-15 08:57:35 PM  

JohnnyC: trollhard... a troll that tries too hard.


I'm obviously joking about the shooting thing, but not about smoking in general, it's farking disgusting.
 
2012-12-15 08:57:46 PM  
Until smoking is made illegal, then too bad for you non smokers. It's a legal item. But since the state and local governments love the tobacco taxes they collect, it'll be a cold day in hell when tobacco cigarretts are banned.
 
2012-12-15 08:58:01 PM  

Rufus Lee King: Kill all tobacco smokers! Yay!

Marijuana is still ok, though, right?

Goddamned hypocrites.


I don't smoke either one, but I'm pretty sure only one of those causes lung cancer (among other problems) and has been proven to be addictive.
 
2012-12-15 08:58:01 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I'd be okay with shooting smokers on sight, disgusting farking habit.


Ugh not ANOTHER gun control topic.
 
2012-12-15 09:01:37 PM  

BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.


Get back to us when they develop lung cancer or emphysema.
 
2012-12-15 09:04:33 PM  

BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.


Other than life expectancy?
 
2012-12-15 09:04:49 PM  
I'm supposed to step ten feet away from any residential or other unit at my apartment complex to smoke. I don't really get bothered by it, as I tend to be a courteous smoker anyway, asking others around me if they mind, even if legal. However, the state also made that the law for bars, among other places. A place near me is non-smoking indoors, but they created a heated, enclosed serving and dining area outside where smoking is invited. I miss complete choice, but I guess you gotta compromise from time to time.
 
2012-12-15 09:05:10 PM  

British: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.

This. Last I checked, drinking wasn't so great for you, but it seems favored upon on FARK.


The difference between alcohol and cigarettes is that alcohol, as horrible as its health consequences can potentially be, has largely reversible effects. A person can be an extreme alcoholic who drinks a fifth of vodka a day for years, but as long as he stops short of the point of actually causing irreversible damage (ie, cirrhosis or peripheral neuropathy), he can make the decision to quit drinking and, within 6 months to a year, his body can largely recover and return to its former state.

For smoking, on the other hand, literally every cigarette causes a little bit of irreversible lung damage that lasts a lifetime. A person who smokes and then quits will be better off than someone who continues to smoke but he will never be able to return to the same healthy state that someone who never smokes is at. This is why at clinic appointments, the doctor will never bother to ask you the total number of drinks you've ever had in your life but he/she WILL ask you to report the exact number of cigarettes you've ever smoked (they're called pack years).

/that and the fact that there's no such thing as "second hand drinking"
//unless you count drunk driving but that's a whole nother can of worms
 
2012-12-15 09:07:08 PM  

Pincy: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.

Get back to us when they develop lung cancer or emphysema.


tons of smokers quit before permanent effects happen.
 
2012-12-15 09:09:25 PM  

CrazyCurt: Meanwhile everyone living near a busy street is breathing fumes from exhaust and airborne road grime particles. This is the big conspiracy -- tobacco is an easy scapegoat to place blame for health problems actually caused by the automotive-oil-chemical cartel. Once tobacco is illegal and eradicated people will still be breathing the floating debris from millions of dirty vehicles kicking toxic dust into the atmosphere.

/ no one thinks about all of the fine road dust, road dust consisting of ALL the chemicals spilled upon said roads, that gets scattered into the air with every passing tire. I will probably be killed just for knowing about this and farking it to fark.


Vehicles serve a function in society; smoking doesn't. Furthermore, removing any harmful chemical from the equation is a step in the right direction--might as well start with the ones that are most easily removed, and the ones whose presence serves no purpose.
 
2012-12-15 09:10:42 PM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: For smoking, on the other hand, literally every cigarette causes a little bit of irreversible lung damage that lasts a lifetime


Remember when they thought nerve and neuron damage was irreversible, too? The lungs exist. They were formed once. That provides evidence that they can be re-formed. Maybe you don't know how to do it, but does that mean that it's impossible?
 
2012-12-15 09:11:11 PM  

MurphyMurphy: But we can still smoke in the office, in airplanes and the movie theater, right?

I mean, as long as we don't go crazy with this whole thing...


Only non smokers know how bad the smell is, smokers want to act persecuted but even being around smokers puts off an odor. What I still find amazing is that smokers think they can mask the smell or that we can't tell they smell like an ashtray.
 
2012-12-15 09:12:12 PM  
I'm OK with this.jpeg

/ live in an apartment complex
// fortunate that my downstairs neighbor doesn't smoke
 
2012-12-15 09:12:17 PM  

ShuyaNanahara: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.

Other than life expectancy?


okay, but if somebody chooses to risk living a few years shorter then it's their own damn business imo. but really, look at a physically active person who quits smoking at some point compared to lots of nonsmokers out there and i'm sure the prior smoker would still live longer. i'd say a lifetime of junk food and inactivity are worse than smoking for a while, but nobody taxes the living shiat out of junk for some reason.
 
2012-12-15 09:12:58 PM  

austerity101: serves no purpose.


That's silly. Smoking is glamorous and makes you look cool and helps you get laid. If there's any better purpose for anything, I haven't heard it.
 
2012-12-15 09:13:52 PM  

steamingpile: MurphyMurphy: But we can still smoke in the office, in airplanes and the movie theater, right?

I mean, as long as we don't go crazy with this whole thing...

Only non smokers know how bad the smell is, smokers want to act persecuted but even being around smokers puts off an odor. What I still find amazing is that smokers think they can mask the smell or that we can't tell they smell like an ashtray.


i find it amazing how much people gripe about cigarette smoke and completely gloss over other airborne contaminants that are way worse for you.
 
2012-12-15 09:14:50 PM  

drewogatory: Such absolute bullshiat. I hate the smell as well, but don't try and claim that exposure levels in the parts per billion will cause long term adverse affects in otherwise healthy people. The amount of enviromental pollutants with equal or greater concentrations must be in the thousands.


This. I'd like to see the actual levels of actual harmful chemicals in adjoining units, compared with the PEL or TLV (the limit at which somebody can be exposed for a lifetime without PPE) for that substance. I'm betting none of the ones they detected exceed the limit, and I'd make a side bet that some of the detected compounds were from some other source (formaldehyde from chipboard furniture, etc).

I don't doubt that some smoke and smell gets through, what I do doubt is that it is enough to cause harm

That being said, if a landlord wants to ban it on their property, I'm good with that. Hell, the house I rent now, and the three places before that had no smoking clauses in the lease.

/Nonsmoker these days
//Yay E-Cig
 
2012-12-15 09:15:58 PM  

BlippityBleep: Pincy: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.

Get back to us when they develop lung cancer or emphysema.

tons of smokers quit before permanent effects happen.


Of course they do.
 
2012-12-15 09:16:29 PM  

BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.


You know one of the things I love about smokers as a medical student? Whenever an attending doctor tries to quiz one of us by asking us what is a major risk factor of "blah blah blah disease", we can respond with "smoking cigarettes" and it will almost always be a correct answer. Smoking is a risk factor for literally every major disease: COPD, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart attacks, strokes, cancers (and not just lung cancer), etc., etc.
 
2012-12-15 09:16:32 PM  
And meanwhile we subsidize the obesity epidemic with cheap corn and soy....................
 
2012-12-15 09:16:52 PM  

buzzcut73: drewogatory: Such absolute bullshiat. I hate the smell as well, but don't try and claim that exposure levels in the parts per billion will cause long term adverse affects in otherwise healthy people. The amount of enviromental pollutants with equal or greater concentrations must be in the thousands.

This. I'd like to see the actual levels of actual harmful chemicals in adjoining units, compared with the PEL or TLV (the limit at which somebody can be exposed for a lifetime without PPE) for that substance. I'm betting none of the ones they detected exceed the limit, and I'd make a side bet that some of the detected compounds were from some other source (formaldehyde from chipboard furniture, etc).

I don't doubt that some smoke and smell gets through, what I do doubt is that it is enough to cause harm

That being said, if a landlord wants to ban it on their property, I'm good with that. Hell, the house I rent now, and the three places before that had no smoking clauses in the lease.

/Nonsmoker these days
//Yay E-Cig


they should ban alcohol in apartments too while they're at it. dang loud people and their drunken orgies!
 
2012-12-15 09:16:54 PM  

BlippityBleep: steamingpile: MurphyMurphy: But we can still smoke in the office, in airplanes and the movie theater, right?

I mean, as long as we don't go crazy with this whole thing...

Only non smokers know how bad the smell is, smokers want to act persecuted but even being around smokers puts off an odor. What I still find amazing is that smokers think they can mask the smell or that we can't tell they smell like an ashtray.

i find it amazing how much people gripe about cigarette smoke and completely gloss over other airborne contaminants that are way worse for you.


Ya, nobody ever complains about pollution. Keep farking that strawman though.
 
2012-12-15 09:18:00 PM  

Pincy:
Ya, nobody ever complains about pollution. Keep farking that strawman though.


not near as loudly as they complain about those devil smokers.
 
2012-12-15 09:20:47 PM  

Pincy: BlippityBleep: Pincy: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.

Get back to us when they develop lung cancer or emphysema.

tons of smokers quit before permanent effects happen.

Of course they do.


me and a lot of friends of mine smoked for a number of years and we've all quit now. we also don't judge either way if someone smokes or not. it's called minding your farking business and being good to other people.
 
2012-12-15 09:20:55 PM  
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2012-12-15 09:20:55 PM  
Think about this people, if we ban smoking, that means you can't get high when weed is finally legalized. Let's not be shortsighted.... Don't you want to be able to get high in your apartment?

Yes, you do.
 
2012-12-15 09:23:12 PM  

skinink: Until smoking is made illegal, then too bad for you non smokers. It's a legal item. But since the state and local governments love the tobacco taxes they collect, it'll be a cold day in hell when tobacco cigarretts are banned.


Also, even if were banned, there would be plenty of organized crime types who would be glad to smuggle in foreign smokes, illicitly manufacture them here, and set up "smoke-easys" where smokers could smoke (and gamle and drink and have hooker sex and do drugs). The blood bath in the streets establishing all this would make the old alcohol prohibition murders seem like a sandbox fight between 4 year olds.
 
2012-12-15 09:24:15 PM  

BlippityBleep: Pincy: BlippityBleep: Pincy: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.

Get back to us when they develop lung cancer or emphysema.

tons of smokers quit before permanent effects happen.

Of course they do.

me and a lot of friends of mine smoked for a number of years and we've all quit now. we also don't judge either way if someone smokes or not. it's called minding your farking business and being good to other people.


Congrats on successfully quitting.
 
2012-12-15 09:24:59 PM  

BlippityBleep: Pincy: BlippityBleep: Pincy: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.

Get back to us when they develop lung cancer or emphysema.

tons of smokers quit before permanent effects happen.

Of course they do.

me and a lot of friends of mine smoked for a number of years and we've all quit now. we also don't judge either way if someone smokes or not. it's called minding your farking business and being good to other people.


CruJones: Think about this people, if we ban smoking, that means you can't get high when weed is finally legalized. Let's not be shortsighted.... Don't you want to be able to get high in your apartment?

Yes, you do.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't have to smoke marijuana in order to get high.
 
2012-12-15 09:26:18 PM  
Smoke, infiltrating your apartment complex like a commie fifth columnist. We need to start some sort list, a blacklist if you will, to prevent this from bringing down our proud nation. We also need to scrutinize smoke's fellow traveler code named "cooking odor" and his subordinates "Fish" and "Curry".
 
2012-12-15 09:28:00 PM  

MagSeven: iheartscotch: Pretty soon there's gonna be a painted red square on the ground and that's where you'll have to smoke. But only one smoker at a time. And it costs $5 per visit.

And someone will still walk over to you in your square and pretend to cough.


Or bum a smoke off of you.
 
2012-12-15 09:28:00 PM  

austerity101: CrazyCurt: Meanwhile everyone living near a busy street is breathing fumes from exhaust and airborne road grime particles. This is the big conspiracy -- tobacco is an easy scapegoat to place blame for health problems actually caused by the automotive-oil-chemical cartel. Once tobacco is illegal and eradicated people will still be breathing the floating debris from millions of dirty vehicles kicking toxic dust into the atmosphere.

/ no one thinks about all of the fine road dust, road dust consisting of ALL the chemicals spilled upon said roads, that gets scattered into the air with every passing tire. I will probably be killed just for knowing about this and farking it to fark.

Vehicles serve a function in society; smoking doesn't. Furthermore, removing any harmful chemical from the equation is a step in the right direction--might as well start with the ones that are most easily removed, and the ones whose presence serves no purpose.


And vehicles and their emissions are heavily regulated.
 
2012-12-15 09:28:38 PM  
I'm old enough to remember when they first banned smoking on flights less than an hour long (full disclosure I'm not a smoker).

They swore it was just for these short flights, nothing to worry about.

Now I'm sure in the next few months it will be only for 'assault' weapons and everyone will hold hands and cheer (full disclosure I'm not a gun owner).

Only 'assault' weapons, nothing to worry about.

Then, God forbid your Farking little asses, someone will want to ban first shooter video games.

Oh how I will laugh at the comments.
 
2012-12-15 09:29:12 PM  

British: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.

This. Last I checked, drinking wasn't so great for you, but it seems favored upon on FARK.


Drinking only affects the one ingesting it, and smoking doesn't take much time using to cause permanent affects. And I doubt anyone that smokes more than 5 a day could out perform most on physical activities unless they are lard asses who have their own vices. But still that doesn't harm anyone else besides their own fat asses.
 
2012-12-15 09:29:24 PM  

BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.



Challenge accepted. My 500m short track speedskating time this year was 57 seconds. Show me a healthy smoker out there who can outperform me.
 
2012-12-15 09:29:44 PM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: me and a lot of friends of mine smoked for a number of years and we've all quit now. we also don't judge either way if someone smokes or not. it's called minding your farking business and being good to other people.

Congrats on successfully quitting.


thank you! holy god it was a biatch. wanted to quit for about 2 years before finally kicking it.
 
2012-12-15 09:30:57 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I'd be okay with shooting smokers on sight, disgusting farking habit.


How about you shoot yourself in the head if you're not going to stop trying to dictate how people live their lives?
 
2012-12-15 09:31:42 PM  

ZeroPly: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.


Challenge accepted. My 500m short track speedskating time this year was 57 seconds. Show me a healthy smoker out there who can outperform me.


go find your own! i'm not into 500m short track speedskating but ask your competitors. i'd be very surprised if you didn't find a few smokers in the bunch. probably closet smokers due to the bullshiat social stigma attached to it nowadays but you'll find them i'm sure.
 
2012-12-15 09:31:55 PM  
This seems like a rational extension of the law. I actually used it to break out of my lease.

The country I live in is very anti-smoking. If it's indoors and the public can enter, or you have employees, it has to be smoke free. But the buildings and the building codes are woefully out of date. I was living in a building that was built in the 1600s. It was designed to be a house, was 'converted' into apartments, and was generally a crap hole.

My neighbors would have people over, 4-5 of them smoking in a small apartment and my place was like the inside of a chimney.
 
2012-12-15 09:34:46 PM  

BlippityBleep: steamingpile: MurphyMurphy: But we can still smoke in the office, in airplanes and the movie theater, right?

I mean, as long as we don't go crazy with this whole thing...

Only non smokers know how bad the smell is, smokers want to act persecuted but even being around smokers puts off an odor. What I still find amazing is that smokers think they can mask the smell or that we can't tell they smell like an ashtray.

i find it amazing how much people gripe about cigarette smoke and completely gloss over other airborne contaminants that are way worse for you.


So I should accept people smoking around me because there are worse things in the air? How about just not thinking it doesn't smell like shiat, that those around you can't smell it all the time, or that it only affects you with zero secondary effect to the rest of the public.
 
2012-12-15 09:35:00 PM  

steamingpile: Drinking only affects the one ingesting it


Gee, I wish my dad would have known that. Then I wouldn't have gotten beaten so bad when he was liquored up. Also, I'm sure that will be a comfort to the many victims of drunk drivers.
 
2012-12-15 09:35:38 PM  

ZeroPly: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.


Challenge accepted. My 500m short track speedskating time this year was 57 seconds. Show me a healthy smoker out there who can outperform me.


I have no idea what the hell a 500m short track speedskating time is. But I can say that I personally knew star athletes on my high school cross country team that smoked and still competed at the state level. This was a '6a' school in Illinois (so really damn impressive).

Of course, that's nothing compared to the professional and Olympic athletes that smoke.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-ne w s/the-puff-of-legends-what-impact-does-smoking-have-on-an-athletes-per formance-8050466.html
 
2012-12-15 09:37:03 PM  

steamingpile: So I should accept people smoking around me because there are worse things in the air? How about just not thinking it doesn't smell like shiat, that those around you can't smell it all the time, or that it only affects you with zero secondary effect to the rest of the public.


there is no health hazard to others when it comes to outdoor smoking, and people should be far less sensitive little snowflaky about the smell of cigarette smoke.
 
2012-12-15 09:39:54 PM  
Soon you proles will be free to labor away in a cube or mine, be transported to your barracks on a smelly train, be taxed 86% and allowed to worship Your Lord God Obama
 
2012-12-15 09:40:13 PM  

Pincy: BlippityBleep: Pincy: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.

Get back to us when they develop lung cancer or emphysema.

tons of smokers quit before permanent effects happen.

Of course they do.


Even if they don't - isn't it only like 50% of smokers whose death can be directly attributed to smoking?
 
2012-12-15 09:41:03 PM  

BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.

Challenge accepted. My 500m short track speedskating time this year was 57 seconds. Show me a healthy smoker out there who can outperform me.

go find your own! i'm not into 500m short track speedskating but ask your competitors. i'd be very surprised if you didn't find a few smokers in the bunch. probably closet smokers due to the bullshiat social stigma attached to it nowadays but you'll find them i'm sure.



No, cretin. There are no smokers in competitive speedskating, any more than there are functional alcoholics in the astronaut program. Let me say it again. No smokers. Here's another one - competitive marathon: no smokers. Wait, the ideas just keep coming. My last 100km bicycle time trial? Pretty sure there were no smokers on that one either. Unless they somehow found a way to smoke while on their aero bars and their heart rate was at 90% max.

Smokers are disgusting sh*tbags. They defend their addiction as "freedom" in the same way the NAMBLA creeps enhort you to keep an open mind about sexuality.
 
2012-12-15 09:42:14 PM  
I dont smoke and have no love for those who do. That said, they should be free to smoke in their own apartments, unless the property owner says otherwise. Its not a matter for the feds. If you dont like your neighbors smoking then move into an apartment complex that does not allow it, or just go buy a house. What is next? Banning farting in apartments?
 
2012-12-15 09:43:22 PM  
There is a bit of a chill in the air tonight, stepped outside for a smoke. Had to come back in the house because the wood smoke from fireplaces and wood stoves was killing me.
/ yep, I do have a vested interest.
 
2012-12-15 09:44:07 PM  

BlippityBleep: steamingpile: So I should accept people smoking around me because there are worse things in the air? How about just not thinking it doesn't smell like shiat, that those around you can't smell it all the time, or that it only affects you with zero secondary effect to the rest of the public.

there is no health hazard to others when it comes to outdoor smoking, and people should be far less sensitive little snowflaky about the smell of cigarette smoke.


To be fair though, alot of American cigarettes do smell absolutely awful. My mom smoked Salems and my god, in a 60's car with the windows up, brutal. But, yeah, just because I can smell it and I don't like it, doesn't mean it's hurting my health. If that was the case my cat's ass would be a superfund site.
 
2012-12-15 09:44:10 PM  

ZeroPly: There are no smokers in competitive speedskating


That's because smokers are cool, and speedskaters are not. Skating is a thing you do when you're in middle school, until you discover smoking. Then you go out and get a life, and stop skating around in faster and faster circles. Well, if you're cool, you do. If you're a sad, pathetic excuse for a human being, you skate a lot more instead.
 
2012-12-15 09:46:18 PM  
It's like extremely overweight people complaining about smokers at Alcoholic Anonymous meetings.
 
2012-12-15 09:46:38 PM  

ZeroPly:
No, cretin. There are no smokers in competitive speedskating, any more than there are functional alcoholics in the astronaut program. Let me say it again. NoLink smokers. Here's another one - competitive marathon: no smokers. Wait, the ideas just keep coming. My last 100km bicycle time trial? Pretty sure there were no smokers on that one either. Unless they somehow found a way to smoke while on their aero bars and their heart rate was at 90% max.

Smokers are disgusting sh*tbags. They defend their addiction as "freedom" in the same way the NAMBLA creeps enhort you to keep an open mind about sexuality.


i49.tinypic.com

heeeey there's people in the tour-de-france smoking while doing the race! and did you miss the list of olympians? here's another link related to smoking athletes: Link

dayum you're a silly little fascist! and you have no idea if your competitors smoke or not. i challenge you to ask them. :-)
 
2012-12-15 09:46:52 PM  

untaken_name: ZeroPly: There are no smokers in competitive speedskating

That's because smokers are cool, and speedskaters are not. Skating is a thing you do when you're in middle school, until you discover smoking. Then you go out and get a life, and stop skating around in faster and faster circles. Well, if you're cool, you do. If you're a sad, pathetic excuse for a human being, you skate a lot more instead.



Sweet Lord. Read a "how to troll" FAQ or something. This is FARK, not the usatoday forums.
 
2012-12-15 09:48:24 PM  

CruJones: Think about this people, if we ban smoking, that means you can't get high when weed is finally legalized. Let's not be shortsighted.... Don't you want to be able to get high in your apartment?

Yes, you do.


Pot smokers don't chain smoke, every cigarette smoker will smoke a couple or more every hour.

Besides pot smokers can also bake it to get high.
 
2012-12-15 09:48:31 PM  

ZeroPly: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.

Challenge accepted. My 500m short track speedskating time this year was 57 seconds. Show me a healthy smoker out there who can outperform me.

go find your own! i'm not into 500m short track speedskating but ask your competitors. i'd be very surprised if you didn't find a few smokers in the bunch. probably closet smokers due to the bullshiat social stigma attached to it nowadays but you'll find them i'm sure.


No, cretin. There are no smokers in competitive speedskating, any more than there are functional alcoholics in the astronaut program. Let me say it again. No smokers. Here's another one - competitive marathon: no smokers. Wait, the ideas just keep coming. My last 100km bicycle time trial? Pretty sure there were no smokers on that one either. Unless they somehow found a way to smoke while on their aero bars and their heart rate was at 90% max.

Smokers are disgusting sh*tbags. They defend their addiction as "freedom" in the same way the NAMBLA creeps enhort you to keep an open mind about sexuality.


Heart rate only 90%. Sounds like they're not working hard enough.
You're probably one of those sh*tbag cyclists that ride 3 abreast and defend your right to use the road like eveyone else.
 
2012-12-15 09:48:32 PM  

drewogatory: To be fair though, alot of American cigarettes do smell absolutely awful. My mom smoked Salems and my god, in a 60's car with the windows up, brutal. But, yeah, just because I can smell it and I don't like it, doesn't mean it's hurting my health. If that was the case my cat's ass would be a superfund site.


oh sure it doesn't smell like spring flowers, i'm not contesting that haha. cat's ass lol.
 
2012-12-15 09:49:04 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Pincy: BlippityBleep: Pincy: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.

Get back to us when they develop lung cancer or emphysema.

tons of smokers quit before permanent effects happen.

Of course they do.

Even if they don't - isn't it only like 50% of smokers whose death can be directly attributed to smoking?


Dude, you sound like an idiot - maybe you don't pay attention.

1 in every 6 people will die from smoking or second hand smoke.

27 out of every 100 female deaths will be caused by breast cancer.

17% of the US population will die from obesity this year.

12 out of every 200 woman will be murdered by a friend or a love one through domestic abuse.

Global warming and the storms attributed to it will claim 3 people in the US every six and a half minutes.

Rectal itch will result in a decrease of 27% of the world population by the year 2024.

Won't you please give and prevent these tragedies you selfish bastard?
 
2012-12-15 09:51:44 PM  

BlippityBleep: ZeroPly:
No, cretin. There are no smokers in competitive speedskating, any more than there are functional alcoholics in the astronaut program. Let me say it again. NoLink smokers. Here's another one - competitive marathon: no smokers. Wait, the ideas just keep coming. My last 100km bicycle time trial? Pretty sure there were no smokers on that one either. Unless they somehow found a way to smoke while on their aero bars and their heart rate was at 90% max.

Smokers are disgusting sh*tbags. They defend their addiction as "freedom" in the same way the NAMBLA creeps enhort you to keep an open mind about sexuality.

[i49.tinypic.com image 640x429]

heeeey there's people in the tour-de-france smoking while doing the race! and did you miss the list of olympians? here's another link related to smoking athletes: Link

dayum you're a silly little fascist! and you have no idea if your competitors smoke or not. i challenge you to ask them. :-)



Wow - I didn't know they took black and white pictures of the tour these days. What year is your "evidence" from? Also, I probably would know if my competitors smoked, the same way I would know if they rolled around in horse manure right before coming onto the ice. You must be one of those retards that thinks spraying yourself down with half a gallon of Febreeze will fool the rest of us.

"List of Olympians". Right. RTFA. The best in each of those fields is a nonsmoker. Bradley Wiggins is no Lance Armstrong. He's a mediocre bicyclist, his team engineered his victory.

But wait, you're on here arguing that smokers can actually outperform non-smokers. I don't think logic applies to you. Why don't you go find an "earth is 6000 years old" forum? You'll have better luck there.
 
2012-12-15 09:54:34 PM  

RayD8: ZeroPly: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.

Challenge accepted. My 500m short track speedskating time this year was 57 seconds. Show me a healthy smoker out there who can outperform me.

go find your own! i'm not into 500m short track speedskating but ask your competitors. i'd be very surprised if you didn't find a few smokers in the bunch. probably closet smokers due to the bullshiat social stigma attached to it nowadays but you'll find them i'm sure.


No, cretin. There are no smokers in competitive speedskating, any more than there are functional alcoholics in the astronaut program. Let me say it again. No smokers. Here's another one - competitive marathon: no smokers. Wait, the ideas just keep coming. My last 100km bicycle time trial? Pretty sure there were no smokers on that one either. Unless they somehow found a way to smoke while on their aero bars and their heart rate was at 90% max.

Smokers are disgusting sh*tbags. They defend their addiction as "freedom" in the same way the NAMBLA creeps enhort you to keep an open mind about sexuality.

Heart rate only 90%. Sounds like they're not working hard enough.
You're probably one of those sh*tbag cyclists that ride 3 abreast and defend your right to use the road like eveyone else.



You sound like a lardo whose only encounter with heart rate monitoring will be after your first "cardiac event".
 
2012-12-15 09:54:40 PM  
Agent Nick Fury~

Rectal itch???? A new rap group?
 
2012-12-15 09:55:09 PM  

untaken_name: steamingpile: Drinking only affects the one ingesting it

Gee, I wish my dad would have known that. Then I wouldn't have gotten beaten so bad when he was liquored up. Also, I'm sure that will be a comfort to the many victims of drunk drivers.


Good and I'm sure they didn't have any other warning signs at all but people just want to ignore that smokers will affect a lot more people.

People get so defensive over their filthy habits.
 
2012-12-15 09:57:14 PM  

ZeroPly: Wow - I didn't know they took black and white pictures of the tour these days. What year is your "evidence" from? Also, I probably would know if my competitors smoked, the same way I would know if they rolled around in horse manure right before coming onto the ice. You must be one of those retards that thinks spraying yourself down with half a gallon of Febreeze will fool the rest of us.

"List of Olympians". Right. RTFA. The best in each of those fields is a nonsmoker. Bradley Wiggins is no Lance Armstrong. He's a mediocre bicyclist, his team engineered his victory.

But wait, you're on here arguing that smokers can actually outperform non-smokers. I don't think logic applies to you. Why don't you go find an "earth is 6000 years old" forum? You'll have better luck there.


i see the finer points of cheeky commentary is lost on you with the tour-de-france pic. and i didn't claim that top olympians were or were not smokers. i just said that healthy people smoke, and there are very athletically competitive smokers, even olympians. and yes, i'm certain that an olympic athlete who smokes can outperform lots of nonsmokers. that's why they competed and won a chance to go to the olympics! it's not like there's a smokers quota they need to fill.
 
2012-12-15 09:57:57 PM  
Yo. BlippityTwerp. Waiting on an answer here. Stress make you run outside for a smoking break? Haha.
 
2012-12-15 09:57:59 PM  

Agent Nick Fury: Fark_Guy_Rob: Pincy: BlippityBleep: Pincy: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.

Get back to us when they develop lung cancer or emphysema.

tons of smokers quit before permanent effects happen.

Of course they do.

Even if they don't - isn't it only like 50% of smokers whose death can be directly attributed to smoking?

Dude, you sound like an idiot - maybe you don't pay attention.

1 in every 6 people will die from smoking or second hand smoke.

27 out of every 100 female deaths will be caused by breast cancer.

17% of the US population will die from obesity this year.

12 out of every 200 woman will be murdered by a friend or a love one through domestic abuse.

Global warming and the storms attributed to it will claim 3 people in the US every six and a half minutes.

Rectal itch will result in a decrease of 27% of the world population by the year 2024.

Won't you please give and prevent these tragedies you selfish bastard?


1 in every 6 people will die from smoking or second hand smoke.

27 out of every 100 female deaths will be caused by breast cancer.

17% of the US population will die from obesity this year.

12 out of every 200 woman will be murdered by a friend or a love one through domestic abuse.

Global warming and the storms attributed to it will claim 3 people in the US every six and a half minutes.

Rectal itch will result in a decrease of 27% of the world population by the year 2024

And 100% of the people on this earth right now will be replaced within a hundred years. Life is short, enjoy it.
Want to puff a cigarette? Go for it. Don't like smoking? Don't smoke.
Most, not all I grant you, are "considerate" to others. It's a shame that non smokers couldn't be a little more "considerate"
 
2012-12-15 09:59:41 PM  

msupf: Honestly surprised more complexes don't just put it in the lease that tenants can't smoke.

Fiancé was a leasing agent for a while... the amount of damage a smoker does to an apt in a year's time is astounding. Freshly painted walls are yellow and gummy; duct work, even after cleaning, is gummy and nasty and reeks of smoke; plastics throughout the apt need replacing; carpets and padding often need to be just torn out and replaced since cleanings don't always work, and so on and so on.

It got to the point where one particular apt had to be stripped down to studs because 2 years after the fact the place was still untenable because of two heavy smokers who lived there a couple years ago. They smoke so heavily that they stained the insulation and drywall opposite.


Speaking as a heavy smoker who has done a fair amount of cleaning, maintenance and repair work, you're either full of shiat, or the owners/managers were cheap-asses who paid $60 for an apartment cleaning and expected it to be like new.

It takes even a heavy smoker more than a year to do that kind of damage unless they are huge slobs smoking all day every day with all the windows closed and spilling ashes all over the carpet without cleaning them up,. and never wiping any surfaces down. If they were smart enough to use semi-gloss instead of flat paint, they might not even have to repaint after a good cleaning.

I wish people would stop with the know-nothing exaggerations and bullshiat.
 
2012-12-15 10:00:20 PM  

ZeroPly: Yo. BlippityTwerp. Waiting on an answer here. Stress make you run outside for a smoking break? Haha.


i quit a few years ago. i'm actually getting ready to go out and be social. i lurve y'all but i do like to go out and talk to people face to face, too!
 
2012-12-15 10:00:48 PM  

ZeroPly: RayD8: ZeroPly: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.

Challenge accepted. My 500m short track speedskating time this year was 57 seconds. Show me a healthy smoker out there who can outperform me.

go find your own! i'm not into 500m short track speedskating but ask your competitors. i'd be very surprised if you didn't find a few smokers in the bunch. probably closet smokers due to the bullshiat social stigma attached to it nowadays but you'll find them i'm sure.


No, cretin. There are no smokers in competitive speedskating, any more than there are functional alcoholics in the astronaut program. Let me say it again. No smokers. Here's another one - competitive marathon: no smokers. Wait, the ideas just keep coming. My last 100km bicycle time trial? Pretty sure there were no smokers on that one either. Unless they somehow found a way to smoke while on their aero bars and their heart rate was at 90% max.

Smokers are disgusting sh*tbags. They defend their addiction as "freedom" in the same way the NAMBLA creeps enhort you to keep an open mind about sexuality.

Heart rate only 90%. Sounds like they're not working hard enough.
You're probably one of those sh*tbag cyclists that ride 3 abreast and defend your right to use the road like eveyone else.


You sound like a lardo whose only encounter with heart rate monitoring will be after your first "cardiac event".


"cardiac event" sounds too competitive for me.
Played cricket yesterday. Just a short format. Only about a7 hour day.
Play Aussie Rules in winter.
43yr old smoker. 187cm. 98kgs.
 
2012-12-15 10:00:49 PM  

ZeroPly: There are no smokers in competitive speedskating... Here's another one - competitive marathon: no smokers. Wait, the ideas just keep coming. My last 100km bicycle time trial? Pretty sure there were no smokers on that one either


Those sort of "jocks" are more the HGH crowd.
 
2012-12-15 10:02:29 PM  

msupf: Honestly surprised more complexes don't just put it in the lease that tenants can't smoke.

Fiancé was a leasing agent for a while... the amount of damage a smoker does to an apt in a year's time is astounding. Freshly painted walls are yellow and gummy; duct work, even after cleaning, is gummy and nasty and reeks of smoke; plastics throughout the apt need replacing; carpets and padding often need to be just torn out and replaced since cleanings don't always work, and so on and so on.

It got to the point where one particular apt had to be stripped down to studs because 2 years after the fact the place was still untenable because of two heavy smokers who lived there a couple years ago. They smoke so heavily that they stained the insulation and drywall opposite.


Windows, they have a farking use.
 
2012-12-15 10:03:00 PM  

BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Wow - I didn't know they took black and white pictures of the tour these days. What year is your "evidence" from? Also, I probably would know if my competitors smoked, the same way I would know if they rolled around in horse manure right before coming onto the ice. You must be one of those retards that thinks spraying yourself down with half a gallon of Febreeze will fool the rest of us.

"List of Olympians". Right. RTFA. The best in each of those fields is a nonsmoker. Bradley Wiggins is no Lance Armstrong. He's a mediocre bicyclist, his team engineered his victory.

But wait, you're on here arguing that smokers can actually outperform non-smokers. I don't think logic applies to you. Why don't you go find an "earth is 6000 years old" forum? You'll have better luck there.

i see the finer points of cheeky commentary is lost on you with the tour-de-france pic. and i didn't claim that top olympians were or were not smokers. i just said that healthy people smoke, and there are very athletically competitive smokers, even olympians. and yes, i'm certain that an olympic athlete who smokes can outperform lots of nonsmokers. that's why they competed and won a chance to go to the olympics! it's not like there's a smokers quota they need to fill.


Listen, no one is claiming that every single person who smokes is going to get lung cancer or won't be able to exercise, especially early on. Yes, it is possible that a good athlete may also be a smoker. But if you look at the statistics it is clear that smokers suffer more health issues directly related to their smoking. So please, stop pretending that smoking does not have an impact on your health, because it does.
 
2012-12-15 10:04:18 PM  

CruJones: Think about this people, if we ban smoking, that means you can't get high when weed is finally legalized. Let's not be shortsighted.... Don't you want to be able to get high in your apartment?

Yes, you do.


Vaporizors and brownies. and oils. and hash gum-rubs.
 
2012-12-15 10:04:36 PM  

BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Wow - I didn't know they took black and white pictures of the tour these days. What year is your "evidence" from? Also, I probably would know if my competitors smoked, the same way I would know if they rolled around in horse manure right before coming onto the ice. You must be one of those retards that thinks spraying yourself down with half a gallon of Febreeze will fool the rest of us.

"List of Olympians". Right. RTFA. The best in each of those fields is a nonsmoker. Bradley Wiggins is no Lance Armstrong. He's a mediocre bicyclist, his team engineered his victory.

But wait, you're on here arguing that smokers can actually outperform non-smokers. I don't think logic applies to you. Why don't you go find an "earth is 6000 years old" forum? You'll have better luck there.

i see the finer points of cheeky commentary is lost on you with the tour-de-france pic. and i didn't claim that top olympians were or were not smokers. i just said that healthy people smoke, and there are very athletically competitive smokers, even olympians. and yes, i'm certain that an olympic athlete who smokes can outperform lots of nonsmokers. that's why they competed and won a chance to go to the olympics! it's not like there's a smokers quota they need to fill.



Woah.. back the horse up, Francis. You said there were plenty of healthy smokers who could outperform ME. In any activity. I repeat - ME. So where are they? I gave you a concrete example, and you're desperately moving goal posts to keep people from realizing what a brain damaged idiot you are.

You're obviously not very mentally gifted. You got called out on your Tour de France (it's not hyphenated, Einstein) picture from the 1940s. Yeah, you probably believe in the Todd Akin scientific method from back then, we get it.

I'm sorry that my tone is harsh. I try to be friendly. But you're a cretin, so I have to stand on principle and be rude to you... if it's any consolation a little bit of my soul dies with every insult I hurl in your general direction...
 
2012-12-15 10:07:10 PM  

Canned Tamales: msupf: Honestly surprised more complexes don't just put it in the lease that tenants can't smoke.

Fiancé was a leasing agent for a while... the amount of damage a smoker does to an apt in a year's time is astounding. Freshly painted walls are yellow and gummy; duct work, even after cleaning, is gummy and nasty and reeks of smoke; plastics throughout the apt need replacing; carpets and padding often need to be just torn out and replaced since cleanings don't always work, and so on and so on.

It got to the point where one particular apt had to be stripped down to studs because 2 years after the fact the place was still untenable because of two heavy smokers who lived there a couple years ago. They smoke so heavily that they stained the insulation and drywall opposite.

Speaking as a heavy smoker who has done a fair amount of cleaning, maintenance and repair work, you're either full of shiat, or the owners/managers were cheap-asses who paid $60 for an apartment cleaning and expected it to be like new.

It takes even a heavy smoker more than a year to do that kind of damage unless they are huge slobs smoking all day every day with all the windows closed and spilling ashes all over the carpet without cleaning them up,. and never wiping any surfaces down. If they were smart enough to use semi-gloss instead of flat paint, they might not even have to repaint after a good cleaning.

I wish people would stop with the know-nothing exaggerations and bullshiat.


Eh, you're not special enough for me to link you to her work Flickr account that documented the damage. Good quality shots of white surfaces turned yellow, and photos of the professionally cleaned ductwork before, after, and after tear out showing the residue, same goes for behind the drywall and even in the wiring boxes for light switches and plugs.
 
2012-12-15 10:07:47 PM  

Pincy: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Wow - I didn't know they took black and white pictures of the tour these days. What year is your "evidence" from? Also, I probably would know if my competitors smoked, the same way I would know if they rolled around in horse manure right before coming onto the ice. You must be one of those retards that thinks spraying yourself down with half a gallon of Febreeze will fool the rest of us.

"List of Olympians". Right. RTFA. The best in each of those fields is a nonsmoker. Bradley Wiggins is no Lance Armstrong. He's a mediocre bicyclist, his team engineered his victory.

But wait, you're on here arguing that smokers can actually outperform non-smokers. I don't think logic applies to you. Why don't you go find an "earth is 6000 years old" forum? You'll have better luck there.

i see the finer points of cheeky commentary is lost on you with the tour-de-france pic. and i didn't claim that top olympians were or were not smokers. i just said that healthy people smoke, and there are very athletically competitive smokers, even olympians. and yes, i'm certain that an olympic athlete who smokes can outperform lots of nonsmokers. that's why they competed and won a chance to go to the olympics! it's not like there's a smokers quota they need to fill.

Listen, no one is claiming that every single person who smokes is going to get lung cancer or won't be able to exercise, especially early on. Yes, it is possible that a good athlete may also be a smoker. But if you look at the statistics it is clear that smokers suffer more health issues directly related to their smoking. So please, stop pretending that smoking does not have an impact on your health, because it does.


i'm not claiming it doesn't have negative impacts. i'm saying you can be healthy and smoke at the same time. hence the athletes. drinking alcohol, junk food, and being sedentary are all bad for you too. it's just okay to rail on smokers for some bullshiat reason. how negatively it effects you is varied. hell, working out and overtraining is bad for your health too. people choose unhealthy things for the lulz with all sorts of things and there's no reason to judge them for it.
 
2012-12-15 10:08:46 PM  

RayD8: ZeroPly: RayD8: ZeroPly: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.

Challenge accepted. My 500m short track speedskating time this year was 57 seconds. Show me a healthy smoker out there who can outperform me.

go find your own! i'm not into 500m short track speedskating but ask your competitors. i'd be very surprised if you didn't find a few smokers in the bunch. probably closet smokers due to the bullshiat social stigma attached to it nowadays but you'll find them i'm sure.


No, cretin. There are no smokers in competitive speedskating, any more than there are functional alcoholics in the astronaut program. Let me say it again. No smokers. Here's another one - competitive marathon: no smokers. Wait, the ideas just keep coming. My last 100km bicycle time trial? Pretty sure there were no smokers on that one either. Unless they somehow found a way to smoke while on their aero bars and their heart rate was at 90% max.

Smokers are disgusting sh*tbags. They defend their addiction as "freedom" in the same way the NAMBLA creeps enhort you to keep an open mind about sexuality.

Heart rate only 90%. Sounds like they're not working hard enough.
You're probably one of those sh*tbag cyclists that ride 3 abreast and defend your right to use the road like eveyone else.


You sound like a lardo whose only encounter with heart rate monitoring will be after your first "cardiac event".

"cardiac event" sounds too competitive for me.
Played cricket yesterday. Just a short format. Only about a7 hour day.
Play Aussie Rules in winter.
43yr old smoker. 187cm. 98kgs.



Uhh.. yeah.. I've played cricket. Slightly more athletic than bowling or darts...

Wear a heart rate monitor and tell me what your averate heart rate was over 7 hours. Then we'll talk...
 
2012-12-15 10:09:33 PM  
 
2012-12-15 10:11:20 PM  

ZeroPly: Woah.. back the horse up, Francis. You said there were plenty of healthy smokers who could outperform ME. In any activity. I repeat - ME. So where are they? I gave you a concrete example, and you're desperately moving goal posts to keep people from realizing what a brain damaged idiot you are.

You're obviously not very mentally gifted. You got called out on your Tour de France (it's not hyphenated, Einstein) picture from the 1940s. Yeah, you probably believe in the Todd Akin scientific method from back then, we get it.

I'm sorry that my tone is harsh. I try to be friendly. But you're a cretin, so I have to stand on principle and be rude to you... if it's any consolation a little bit of my soul dies wi ...


i answered you immediately and recommended you ask your competitors since you obviously know a lot more about the 500m skate rink loop-de-sport than I do.

/it's okay that you're rude, it's common courtesy here on fark to be mean
//assface. ;-)
 
2012-12-15 10:12:21 PM  
Despite what the television depicts, cigarette smoke is not a malevolent spirit which is intent on hunting down babies in their cribs.

/seriously I saw a PSA that showed that
//smoking is farking dumb, but that PSA was way dumber
 
2012-12-15 10:14:24 PM  

redhook: if you're not going to stop trying to dictate how people live their lives?


Says the smoker who sees nothing wrong with making others breathe their filthy air.
 
2012-12-15 10:14:58 PM  

ZeroPly: RayD8: ZeroPly: RayD8: ZeroPly: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.

Challenge accepted. My 500m short track speedskating time this year was 57 seconds. Show me a healthy smoker out there who can outperform me.

go find your own! i'm not into 500m short track speedskating but ask your competitors. i'd be very surprised if you didn't find a few smokers in the bunch. probably closet smokers due to the bullshiat social stigma attached to it nowadays but you'll find them i'm sure.


No, cretin. There are no smokers in competitive speedskating, any more than there are functional alcoholics in the astronaut program. Let me say it again. No smokers. Here's another one - competitive marathon: no smokers. Wait, the ideas just keep coming. My last 100km bicycle time trial? Pretty sure there were no smokers on that one either. Unless they somehow found a way to smoke while on their aero bars and their heart rate was at 90% max.

Smokers are disgusting sh*tbags. They defend their addiction as "freedom" in the same way the NAMBLA creeps enhort you to keep an open mind about sexuality.

Heart rate only 90%. Sounds like they're not working hard enough.
You're probably one of those sh*tbag cyclists that ride 3 abreast and defend your right to use the road like eveyone else.


You sound like a lardo whose only encounter with heart rate monitoring will be after your first "cardiac event".

"cardiac event" sounds too competitive for me.
Played cricket yesterday. Just a short format. Only about a7 hour day.
Play Aussie Rules in winter.
43yr old smoker. 187cm. 98kgs.


Uhh.. yeah.. I've played cricket. Slightly more athletic than bowling or darts...

Wear a heart rate monitor and tell me what your averate heart rate was over 7 hours. Then we'll talk...


Just pointing out I'm no "lardo" as you so eloquently put it.
No heart rate monitor needed. I know its up there when it tries to jump out of my chest.
Obviously a higher grade than the darts standard league you competed in.
 
2012-12-15 10:16:38 PM  

BlippityBleep: Pincy: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Wow - I didn't know they took black and white pictures of the tour these days. What year is your "evidence" from? Also, I probably would know if my competitors smoked, the same way I would know if they rolled around in horse manure right before coming onto the ice. You must be one of those retards that thinks spraying yourself down with half a gallon of Febreeze will fool the rest of us.

"List of Olympians". Right. RTFA. The best in each of those fields is a nonsmoker. Bradley Wiggins is no Lance Armstrong. He's a mediocre bicyclist, his team engineered his victory.

But wait, you're on here arguing that smokers can actually outperform non-smokers. I don't think logic applies to you. Why don't you go find an "earth is 6000 years old" forum? You'll have better luck there.

i see the finer points of cheeky commentary is lost on you with the tour-de-france pic. and i didn't claim that top olympians were or were not smokers. i just said that healthy people smoke, and there are very athletically competitive smokers, even olympians. and yes, i'm certain that an olympic athlete who smokes can outperform lots of nonsmokers. that's why they competed and won a chance to go to the olympics! it's not like there's a smokers quota they need to fill.

Listen, no one is claiming that every single person who smokes is going to get lung cancer or won't be able to exercise, especially early on. Yes, it is possible that a good athlete may also be a smoker. But if you look at the statistics it is clear that smokers suffer more health issues directly related to their smoking. So please, stop pretending that smoking does not have an impact on your health, because it does.

i'm not claiming it doesn't have negative impacts. i'm saying you can be healthy and smoke at the same time. hence the athletes. drinking alcohol, junk food, and being sedentary are all bad for you too. it's just okay to rail on smokers for some bullshiat reason. how negative ...



Yo. Grow some cojones. I'm micturating all over your head and you're curled up in the fetal position and blabbering. This is not what a Fark thread is about, sunshine.

Guess what, you can do a single hit of meth and be healthy at the same time. When we say "smoker", we're not talking about someone who had half a cigarette when they were 12 and never did it again. We're talking about the disgusting phlegm head who you see gasping for breath every time the elevator goes out. The retard who complains about how tight their budget is while puffing their way through a $7 pack. The guy who can't keep up on a 3 mile hike but is sure it's because of his bad knee.

You can't be healthy and smoke OVER THE LONG COURSE. This is not rocket science. It's possible to bang a crack ho with no rubber and come out clean. That doesn't mean it's a good idea.
 
2012-12-15 10:16:50 PM  

steamingpile: MurphyMurphy: But we can still smoke in the office, in airplanes and the movie theater, right?

I mean, as long as we don't go crazy with this whole thing...

Only non smokers know how bad the smell is, smokers want to act persecuted but even being around smokers puts off an odor. What I still find amazing is that smokers think they can mask the smell or that we can't tell they smell like an ashtray.


I'm an ex-smoker. I know all about it.

What I still find amazing is, other people think that their offensive odors are ok... to the degree it's socially unacceptable to tell anyone we don't want to smell their stinking ass/Indianfood/perfume/whathaveyou.

But a smoker?! Oh god, look out, this farking smoker thinks he can OFFEND my delicate nostrils with his terrible evil dirty lifestyle choice. I bet I'm getting hundreds of cancers every second I smell the smoke lingering on this guys' jacket.

If I was to choose to start smoking again, I'll agree that you shouldnt' have to stand in a cloud of my smoke. But that is it. I could care less what you smell, we all put up with smells. Lot's of things stink.

Don't want to smell the smoke in the hallway of your apartment building from the guy down in 3C that smokes?
Well I bet he doesn't want to smell your shiatty cooking every night either, but these are the joys of communal housing.
 
2012-12-15 10:17:59 PM  

ZeroPly: Sweet Lord. Read a "how to troll" FAQ or something. This is FARK, not the usatoday forums.


Why would I do that? I have no desire to be like you.
 
2012-12-15 10:19:07 PM  

BlippityBleep: i'm not claiming it doesn't have negative impacts. i'm saying you can be healthy and smoke at the same time. hence the athletes.


Yes, some people can. Not everyone. And statistics show that the more you smoke the less healthy you will be. But you seem to think that because some people will beat the odds that proves smoking isn't really that big of a deal. At least that's what it appears to the rest of us.
 
2012-12-15 10:19:11 PM  

steamingpile: untaken_name: steamingpile: Drinking only affects the one ingesting it

Gee, I wish my dad would have known that. Then I wouldn't have gotten beaten so bad when he was liquored up. Also, I'm sure that will be a comfort to the many victims of drunk drivers.

Good and I'm sure they didn't have any other warning signs at all but people just want to ignore that smokers will affect a lot more people.

People get so defensive over their filthy habits.


I don't smoke. I just hate fascist douches like you.
 
2012-12-15 10:21:53 PM  
 
2012-12-15 10:24:59 PM  

ZeroPly: Yo. Grow some cojones. I'm micturating all over your head and you're curled up in the fetal position and blabbering. This is not what a Fark thread is about, sunshine.

Guess what, you can do a single hit of meth and be healthy at the same time. When we say "smoker", we're not talking about someone who had half a cigarette when they were 12 and never did it again. We're talking about the disgusting phlegm head who you see gasping for breath every time the elevator goes out. The retard who complains about how tight their budget is while puffing their way through a $7 pack. The guy who can't keep up on a 3 mile hike but is sure it's because of his bad knee.

You can't be healthy and smoke OVER THE LONG COURSE. This is not rocket science. It's possible to bang a crack ho with no rubber and come out clean. That doesn't mean it's a good idea.




i'm on my way out the door for the night after this one, but i'll check back later if you respond. you mentioned cost, and i think it's farking disgusting that tobacco and alcohol are taxed like they are in the US. that is a morality tax that is a load of utter shiat, and that's not the smokers fault the costs are so stupidly high.

next, not even most smokers are the silly gasping caricature you're painting them to be. and yes, you can be a healthy smoker if you maintain activity and eat right, just like anybody else. do you say the same thing about gasping overweight people, or even regular sized people who don't get enough physical activity? it's not the smoking that makes it so 3 miles is hard.
 
2012-12-15 10:25:22 PM  

RayD8: ZeroPly: RayD8: ZeroPly: RayD8: ZeroPly: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.

Challenge accepted. My 500m short track speedskating time this year was 57 seconds. Show me a healthy smoker out there who can outperform me.

go find your own! i'm not into 500m short track speedskating but ask your competitors. i'd be very surprised if you didn't find a few smokers in the bunch. probably closet smokers due to the bullshiat social stigma attached to it nowadays but you'll find them i'm sure.


No, cretin. There are no smokers in competitive speedskating, any more than there are functional alcoholics in the astronaut program. Let me say it again. No smokers. Here's another one - competitive marathon: no smokers. Wait, the ideas just keep coming. My last 100km bicycle time trial? Pretty sure there were no smokers on that one either. Unless they somehow found a way to smoke while on their aero bars and their heart rate was at 90% max.

Smokers are disgusting sh*tbags. They defend their addiction as "freedom" in the same way the NAMBLA creeps enhort you to keep an open mind about sexuality.

Heart rate only 90%. Sounds like they're not working hard enough.
You're probably one of those sh*tbag cyclists that ride 3 abreast and defend your right to use the road like eveyone else.


You sound like a lardo whose only encounter with heart rate monitoring will be after your first "cardiac event".

"cardiac event" sounds too competitive for me.
Played cricket yesterday. Just a short format. Only about a7 hour day.
Play Aussie Rules in winter.
43yr old smoker. 187cm. 98kgs.


Uhh.. yeah.. I've played cricket. Slightly more athletic than bowling or darts...

Wear a heart rate monitor and tell me what your aver ...



I'm not in a dart league, fool. I'm American. I don't pursue retarded pastimes like darts. I was using it as an example. I do bowl, but only as part of drinking games. I'm sure you can do 7 straight hours of croquet too, big whoop. I only started playing cricket because there was this hot chick from a local university I wanted to impress. But it was pretty boring, so I decided the tail just wasn't worth it.

That said, when you feel like your heart is jumping out of your chest, that's probably because you're close to one of those "cardiac events" I mentioned earlier. For someone who's relatively out of shape, something simple like running a few hundred feet seem like the end of the world. Try quitting smoking for a year, you'll be surprised by how easy cricket is. My biggest problem when playing was trying not to fall asleep at the stump waiting for the batsman to do something. God, talk about a game for those who can't cut it in real athletics.
 
2012-12-15 10:26:27 PM  
In poorer African American neighborhoods, it would be preferable to allow smoking in your building.

A high percentage of these particular low income people are smokers, and I'd like as large a pool as possible to pick from in order to get the best people in my building.

In the more white bread areas, having a non-smoking building could be beneficial.

With whites, not all of the smokers are bad people, but all of the bad people are smokers.

/ let the building owner make the call 
// ten years inner-city property mgt
 
2012-12-15 10:26:29 PM  
*fake cough*
*fake cough*


/takes drag off empty inhaler

I'm allergic, stop.

I think I need to go to the hospital because I smelled that guy's cigarette

*fake cough*
*fake cough*
 
2012-12-15 10:27:07 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I'd be okay with shooting smokers on sight, disgusting farking habit.


Oh STFU you self-righteous douche
 
2012-12-15 10:27:13 PM  

Pincy: BlippityBleep: i'm not claiming it doesn't have negative impacts. i'm saying you can be healthy and smoke at the same time. hence the athletes.

Yes, some people can. Not everyone. And statistics show that the more you smoke the less healthy you will be. But you seem to think that because some people will beat the odds that proves smoking isn't really that big of a deal. At least that's what it appears to the rest of us.


it's not. lots of things make you less healthy, but smokers are picked out and put against the wall by the nipping little zealot busybodies.

/k leaving now be back later *waves!*
 
2012-12-15 10:27:54 PM  

BlippityBleep: it's not the smoking that makes it so 3 miles is hard.


Yes, in many cases it is. Smoking reduces lung capacity. People who stop smoking gain a lot of that back.

I'm not sure why you are having a problem admitting that smoking causes health problems?
 
2012-12-15 10:31:45 PM  

BlippityBleep: it's not. lots of things make you less healthy, but smokers are picked out and put against the wall by the nipping little zealot busybodies.


Then why didn't you just say that in the first place instead of trying to pretend that smoking doesn't have ill health affects?
 
2012-12-15 10:32:12 PM  

Pincy: BlippityBleep: it's not the smoking that makes it so 3 miles is hard.

Yes, in many cases it is. Smoking reduces lung capacity. People who stop smoking gain a lot of that back.

I'm not sure why you are having a problem admitting that smoking causes health problems?


farking christ people are brain damaged. of course it's not healthy. but you can do unhealthy things and remain healthy. ever go to a bar? that's where i'm going right now, it's not healthy, and dammit now i have to say i was late due to internetting dammitsomuch.

and so most people will be more unhealthy with more smoking, who the fark cares and whose business is it of yours? you can be a healthy smoker, unhealthy smoker, healthy nonsmoker, or unhealthy nonsmoker. there that covers it, yes? dammit have to tell my friends now i was late because of internet arguing. that will be a hit with the ladies lolol.
 
2012-12-15 10:32:29 PM  
This is an outrage! I am going to read this article to figure out who is responsible for this erosion of our freedoms, and give them a piece of my mind.

*read read read*

Oh.

As you were...
 
2012-12-15 10:32:30 PM  

BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Yo. Grow some cojones. I'm micturating all over your head and you're curled up in the fetal position and blabbering. This is not what a Fark thread is about, sunshine.

Guess what, you can do a single hit of meth and be healthy at the same time. When we say "smoker", we're not talking about someone who had half a cigarette when they were 12 and never did it again. We're talking about the disgusting phlegm head who you see gasping for breath every time the elevator goes out. The retard who complains about how tight their budget is while puffing their way through a $7 pack. The guy who can't keep up on a 3 mile hike but is sure it's because of his bad knee.

You can't be healthy and smoke OVER THE LONG COURSE. This is not rocket science. It's possible to bang a crack ho with no rubber and come out clean. That doesn't mean it's a good idea.



i'm on my way out the door for the night after this one, but i'll check back later if you respond. you mentioned cost, and i think it's farking disgusting that tobacco and alcohol are taxed like they are in the US. that is a morality tax that is a load of utter shiat, and that's not the smokers fault the costs are so stupidly high.

next, not even most smokers are the silly gasping caricature you're painting them to be. and yes, you can be a healthy smoker if you maintain activity and eat right, just like anybody else. do you say the same thing about gasping overweight people, or even regular sized people who don't get enough physical activity? it's not the smoking that makes it so 3 miles is hard.



Oh... sure... the old "I have important things to do, so I must leave this argument" deal. I've heard it before, sunshine. Tell us about how your apartment smells like mahogany, and how you have many leather bound books.

Of course I don't say the same thing about gasping overweight people. THEY DON'T SMELL. You're obviously a shill for the tobacco industry. Why not just create a poster that shows how smoking can be part of a healthy diet and exercise regimen?

3 miles is hard for you? Hiking? Really? I don't know what backwater Mississippi town you call home, but for the average human, that takes a little over an hour. Yes, a few times I've been sucking wind, but only if I'm carrying a pack that weighs over 80lbs.

Leave this thread, coward. Puff away on your cigarettes while you continue to wonder why the rest of the world hates you so much...
 
2012-12-15 10:34:17 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I'd be okay with shooting smokers on sight, disgusting farking habit.


I'm a smoker. It is a disgusting habit that I hope to quite. Regardless, I hope some day a smoker kills you slowly.
 
2012-12-15 10:35:35 PM  
10/10!
 
2012-12-15 10:35:39 PM  

BlippityBleep: farking christ people are brain damaged. of course it's not healthy. but you can do unhealthy things and remain healthy.


Some people can. Most will suffer from those unhealthy things. That's what you don't seem to understand.
 
2012-12-15 10:36:24 PM  

TomD9938: In poorer African American neighborhoods, it would be preferable to allow smoking in your building.

A high percentage of these particular low income people are smokers, and I'd like as large a pool as possible to pick from in order to get the best people in my building.

In the more white bread areas, having a non-smoking building could be beneficial.

With whites, not all of the smokers are bad people, but all of the bad people are smokers.

/ let the building owner make the call 
// ten years inner-city property mgt



Look, bud, we're trying to have a conversation here. We appreciate your valiant dog-whistle Eugenics ramblings, but it's too contrived to fit in. When you say "best people" in your building - are you going by skin color as determined by a properly calibrated Pantone system, or racial ancestry?
 
2012-12-15 10:37:35 PM  

maelstrom0370: untaken_name: Popcorn Johnny: I'd be okay with shooting smokers on sight, disgusting farking habit.

What about people who smoke when they're not farking? Are they ok?

Not so CSB:
Wife and I were at Cedar Point last summer. Stopped by one of the CLEARLY MARKED smoking areas, sat down and lit up. Guy next to me does the "cough cough" thing, shoots me a dirty look and storms off.


I do my best to not smoke around people who object to it, and I appreciate that at least one nonsmoker appreciates those of us who try to respect you guys. So, thanks.
 
2012-12-15 10:37:52 PM  

ZeroPly: RayD8: ZeroPly: RayD8: ZeroPly: RayD8: ZeroPly: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.

Challenge accepted. My 500m short track speedskating time this year was 57 seconds. Show me a healthy smoker out there who can outperform me.

go find your own! i'm not into 500m short track speedskating but ask your competitors. i'd be very surprised if you didn't find a few smokers in the bunch. probably closet smokers due to the bullshiat social stigma attached to it nowadays but you'll find them i'm sure.


No, cretin. There are no smokers in competitive speedskating, any more than there are functional alcoholics in the astronaut program. Let me say it again. No smokers. Here's another one - competitive marathon: no smokers. Wait, the ideas just keep coming. My last 100km bicycle time trial? Pretty sure there were no smokers on that one either. Unless they somehow found a way to smoke while on their aero bars and their heart rate was at 90% max.

Smokers are disgusting sh*tbags. They defend their addiction as "freedom" in the same way the NAMBLA creeps enhort you to keep an open mind about sexuality.

Heart rate only 90%. Sounds like they're not working hard enough.
You're probably one of those sh*tbag cyclists that ride 3 abreast and defend your right to use the road like eveyone else.


You sound like a lardo whose only encounter with heart rate monitoring will be after your first "cardiac event".

"cardiac event" sounds too competitive for me.
Played cricket yesterday. Just a short format. Only about a7 hour day.
Play Aussie Rules in winter.
43yr old smoker. 187cm. 98kgs.


Uhh.. yeah.. I've played cricket. Slightly more athletic than bowling or darts...

Wear a heart rate monitor and tell me what your aver ...


I'm not in a dart league, fool. I'm American. I don't pursue retarded pastimes like darts. I was using it as an example. I do bowl, but only as part of drinking games. I'm sure you can do 7 straight hours of croquet too, big whoop. I only started playing cricket because there was this hot chick from a local university I wanted to impress. But it was pretty boring, so I decided the tail just wasn't worth it.

That said, when you feel like your heart is jumping out of your chest, that's probably because you're close to one of those "cardiac events" I mentioned earlier. For someone who's relatively out of shape, something simple like running a few hundred feet seem like the end of the world. Try quitting smoking for a year, you'll be surprised by how easy cricket is. My biggest problem when playing was trying not to fall asleep at the stump waiting for the batsman to do something. God, talk about a game for those who can't cut it in real athletics.


If you wanted to impress the hottie, you should have played in your skating tights.
Or better still, take up smoking. Way cool.
I know you don't play darts. You compared its athletic qualities to cricket. I replied the standard you played is comparable. Besides,darts involves maths.
Oh yes,you're American and likely think base ball isn't boring.
 
2012-12-15 10:40:59 PM  

Canned Tamales: msupf: Honestly surprised more complexes don't just put it in the lease that tenants can't smoke.

Fiancé was a leasing agent for a while... the amount of damage a smoker does to an apt in a year's time is astounding. Freshly painted walls are yellow and gummy; duct work, even after cleaning, is gummy and nasty and reeks of smoke; plastics throughout the apt need replacing; carpets and padding often need to be just torn out and replaced since cleanings don't always work, and so on and so on.

It got to the point where one particular apt had to be stripped down to studs because 2 years after the fact the place was still untenable because of two heavy smokers who lived there a couple years ago. They smoke so heavily that they stained the insulation and drywall opposite.

Speaking as a heavy smoker who has done a fair amount of cleaning, maintenance and repair work, you're either full of shiat, or the owners/managers were cheap-asses who paid $60 for an apartment cleaning and expected it to be like new.

It takes even a heavy smoker more than a year to do that kind of damage unless they are huge slobs smoking all day every day with all the windows closed and spilling ashes all over the carpet without cleaning them up,. and never wiping any surfaces down. If they were smart enough to use semi-gloss instead of flat paint, they might not even have to repaint after a good cleaning.

I wish people would stop with the know-nothing exaggerations and bullshiat.


That was my thought too. I am a smoker, and I have decorated a few homes - one after living there for a few years with a large number of smoking friends. Sugar soap takes the nicotine right off the paint, which you should be using before you repaint anyway. Oil based paint covers up random stains that would come through fresh paint. I don't know about the carpets - places I lived in had cheap thin carpets anyway. Asked a landlord once and he said they should be replaced every 5 years anyway. On the other hand straight cigarettes do smell terrible compared with the roll-ups and spliffs that we smoke, I can imagine the smell being hard to shift.

I'm familiar with private landlords having "no smokers" policies, but I don't think it should be a matter of law - local or not. It does seem unreasonably paranoid to think that people are really going to be affected by smokers in other apartments.
 
2012-12-15 10:42:43 PM  

ZeroPly: When you say "best people" in your building - are you going by skin color as determined by a properly calibrated Pantone system, or racial ancestry?


1.) Learn to read
2.) Stop projecting your racism on others
 
2012-12-15 10:46:55 PM  

TomD9938: ZeroPly: When you say "best people" in your building - are you going by skin color as determined by a properly calibrated Pantone system, or racial ancestry?

1.) Learn to read
2.) Stop projecting your racism on others



Oh... I seem to have hit a nerve... meant no offense there mastah...

So, you still haven't said what you mean by "best people". You one of those white guys that thinks Halle Berry is hot, and therefore you're not racist?

I'm not advocating any censorship of bigotry of course. You should stand up and take ownership of it. All I'm looking for is what you mean by the "best people" you want to live with.
 
2012-12-15 10:52:39 PM  
If cigarettes/tobacco is so dangerous, why not just ban it like they do everything else?
Because the pig that eats and eats called the federal government couldn't stand the loss
of taxes
 
2012-12-15 10:54:04 PM  

RayD8: If you wanted to impress the hottie, you should have played in your skating tights.
Or better still, take up smoking. Way cool.
I know you don't play darts. You compared its athletic qualities to cricket. I replied the standard you played is comparable. Besides,darts involves maths.
Oh yes,you're American and likely think base ball isn't boring.

 


Tights?! What bass-ackwards sh*thole do you live in? I live in the Midwest. I skate in Jorts and a hoodie. Come visit the USA sometime. We'll show you what civiization looks like. You'll never be able to go back to wherever it is you are right now.

Bring on some of the "maths", babe. I really want to know how playing darts requires a Fields medal. I was in the top 20% in my math class my junior year. You going to point out how it takes difference equations to calculate trajectories in air? Bring it on.

I think you're just jealous because I live in America and you're somewhere where you can't sneak across our border to get in...
 
2012-12-15 10:55:31 PM  

ZeroPly: TomD9938: ZeroPly: When you say "best people" in your building - are you going by skin color as determined by a properly calibrated Pantone system, or racial ancestry?

1.) Learn to read
2.) Stop projecting your racism on others


Oh... I seem to have hit a nerve... meant no offense there mastah...

So, you still haven't said what you mean by "best people". You one of those white guys that thinks Halle Berry is hot, and therefore you're not racist?

I'm not advocating any censorship of bigotry of course. You should stand up and take ownership of it. All I'm looking for is what you mean by the "best people" you want to live with.


She would be a little hotter if she was a little bit more white.
 
2012-12-15 10:59:11 PM  

ZeroPly: So, you still haven't said what you mean by "best people".


It means best tenant, smoking not bieng a deal breaker.

In neighborhoods where a high percentage of prospective tenants are going to be smokers, they all get a shot at the unit.

Around Minneapolis, many buildings are choosing to be smoke free. Choose bieng the operative word.
 
2012-12-15 11:00:22 PM  

schoolbread: ZeroPly: TomD9938: ZeroPly: When you say "best people" in your building - are you going by skin color as determined by a properly calibrated Pantone system, or racial ancestry?

1.) Learn to read
2.) Stop projecting your racism on others

Oh... I seem to have hit a nerve... meant no offense there mastah...

So, you still haven't said what you mean by "best people". You one of those white guys that thinks Halle Berry is hot, and therefore you're not racist?

I'm not advocating any censorship of bigotry of course. You should stand up and take ownership of it. All I'm looking for is what you mean by the "best people" you want to live with.

She would be a little hotter if she was a little bit more white.



I call BS. If Halle Berry wanted to move into your apartment complex tomorrow, there's no way you'd be against it...
 
2012-12-15 11:04:56 PM  

TomD9938: ZeroPly: So, you still haven't said what you mean by "best people".

It means best tenant, smoking not bieng a deal breaker.

In neighborhoods where a high percentage of prospective tenants are going to be smokers, they all get a shot at the unit.

Around Minneapolis, many buildings are choosing to be smoke free. Choose bieng the operative word.



More Republican dog-whistle wharrgarble!

"Best tenant" of course means someone who likes craft brews rather than malt liquor, someone who gets a respectable hair cut rather than wearing dreads, someone who listens to Rolling Stones rather than Jay-Z. We get it. You're OK with someone of the darker persuasion, as long as they behave just like someone on the Cosby show. Which never happens in real life.

Don't get me wrong, I fully respect your right to hold these opinions. I just think you should spend more time on self realization, understanding what you are really saying...
 
2012-12-15 11:06:40 PM  
Simple subtraction for darts genius.
I actually laughed at your civilization comment. If the USA is your idea of it, you're a bigger idiot than I initially thought.
I live in Australia. I have no intention of ever visiting your cess pool.
Jealous?....please.
 
2012-12-15 11:13:09 PM  

iheartscotch: Pretty soon there's gonna be a painted red square on the ground and that's where you'll have to smoke. But only one smoker at a time. And it costs $5 per visit.


www.webomatica.com
 
2012-12-15 11:13:37 PM  

ZeroPly: "Best tenant" of course means someone who likes craft brews rather than malt liquor,


I was assuming the hypothetical tenant ultimately placed to be an African American. Thats why I said African American neighborhood... that's who'll be in your building and I want to talk to all of them... Smokers included.

You assumed a good tenant couldnt be a black tenant and you assumed allowing smokers in was some elaborate ploy to keep blacks out and that's why you are a racist.
 
2012-12-15 11:16:02 PM  

BlippityBleep: steamingpile: MurphyMurphy: But we can still smoke in the office, in airplanes and the movie theater, right?

I mean, as long as we don't go crazy with this whole thing...

Only non smokers know how bad the smell is, smokers want to act persecuted but even being around smokers puts off an odor. What I still find amazing is that smokers think they can mask the smell or that we can't tell they smell like an ashtray.

i find it amazing how much people gripe about cigarette smoke and completely gloss over other airborne contaminants that are way worse for you.


That's because you're an idiot, and insist on denying facts.
 
2012-12-15 11:18:09 PM  

RayD8: Simple subtraction for darts genius.
I actually laughed at your civilization comment. If the USA is your idea of it, you're a bigger idiot than I initially thought.
I live in Australia. I have no intention of ever visiting your cess pool.
Jealous?....please.



You live in an entirely different world, I might even say "realm", so I forgive your naivette. If we're talking skinning crocodiles or hunting in the bush, I would be no match to you. Not even remotely. I accept that and don't have an ego problem with it, because my lifepath has been completely different from yours. I do not think I am a better person than you because of that. However, creating an indoors skating rink requires an immense expenditure of energy and technoligical effort. If you don't have the resources to do that, there's absolutely nothing wrong with third world games like cricket. But you're comparing apples and oranges when you think batting a ball around the outback is the same as sprinting across carefully manufactured ice on 1mm blades. Again, no hard feelings.
 
2012-12-15 11:18:46 PM  

ZeroPly: RayD8: If you wanted to impress the hottie, you should have played in your skating tights.
Or better still, take up smoking. Way cool.
I know you don't play darts. You compared its athletic qualities to cricket. I replied the standard you played is comparable. Besides,darts involves maths.
Oh yes,you're American and likely think base ball isn't boring. 


Tights?! What bass-ackwards sh*thole do you live in? I live in the Midwest. I skate in Jorts and a hoodie. Come visit the USA sometime. We'll show you what civiization looks like. You'll never be able to go back to wherever it is you are right now.

Bring on some of the "maths", babe. I really want to know how playing darts requires a Fields medal. I was in the top 20% in my math class my junior year. You going to point out how it takes difference equations to calculate trajectories in air? Bring it on.

I think you're just jealous because I live in America and you're somewhere where you can't sneak across our border to get in...


Top 20%? You couldn't even get into Florida State.
 
2012-12-15 11:23:04 PM  

TomD9938: ZeroPly: "Best tenant" of course means someone who likes craft brews rather than malt liquor,

I was assuming the hypothetical tenant ultimately placed to be an African American. Thats why I said African American neighborhood... that's who'll be in your building and I want to talk to all of them... Smokers included.

You assumed a good tenant couldnt be a black tenant and you assumed allowing smokers in was some elaborate ploy to keep blacks out and that's why you are a racist.



Just analyze your own words and you'll see what I mean by pervasive and entrenched racism...

When you talk about the tenant from the "I" perspective, you always use "African American". (paragraph 2)

But when you talk about the tenant from the "you" perspecitve, you always say "black". (paragraph 3)

If that's not telling, I don't know what is. I applaud you for confronting your own bigotry, but you have to let go of the denial to get any further...
 
2012-12-15 11:26:07 PM  

ZeroPly: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.

Challenge accepted. My 500m short track speedskating time this year was 57 seconds. Show me a healthy smoker out there who can outperform me.

go find your own! i'm not into 500m short track speedskating but ask your competitors. i'd be very surprised if you didn't find a few smokers in the bunch. probably closet smokers due to the bullshiat social stigma attached to it nowadays but you'll find them i'm sure.


No, cretin. There are no smokers in competitive speedskating, any more than there are functional alcoholics in the astronaut program. Let me say it again. No smokers. Here's another one - competitive marathon: no smokers. Wait, the ideas just keep coming. My last 100km bicycle time trial? Pretty sure there were no smokers on that one either. Unless they somehow found a way to smoke while on their aero bars and their heart rate was at 90% max.

Smokers are disgusting sh*tbags. They defend their addiction as "freedom" in the same way the NAMBLA creeps enhort you to keep an open mind about sexuality.


If a troll attempt 6/10 plenty of spirit, but not quite offensive enough for a 10/10
 
2012-12-15 11:29:17 PM  

ZeroPly: RayD8: Simple subtraction for darts genius.
I actually laughed at your civilization comment. If the USA is your idea of it, you're a bigger idiot than I initially thought.
I live in Australia. I have no intention of ever visiting your cess pool.
Jealous?....please.


You live in an entirely different world, I might even say "realm", so I forgive your naivette. If we're talking skinning crocodiles or hunting in the bush, I would be no match to you. Not even remotely. I accept that and don't have an ego problem with it, because my lifepath has been completely different from yours. I do not think I am a better person than you because of that. However, creating an indoors skating rink requires an immense expenditure of energy and technoligical effort. If you don't have the resources to do that, there's absolutely nothing wrong with third world games like cricket. But you're comparing apples and oranges when you think batting a ball around the outback is the same as sprinting across carefully manufactured ice on 1mm blades. Again, no hard feelings.


3rd world? Your tardinacity has just gone off the scale.
And no, kangaroos don't hop through our city streets.
Yeah, we even have technology to build cities.
 
2012-12-15 11:32:59 PM  

ZeroPly: . I applaud you for confronting your own bigotry


So long as you concede that black people can make for good tenants too, you can box that clown all you like.
 
2012-12-15 11:37:14 PM  

RayD8: ZeroPly: RayD8: Simple subtraction for darts genius.
I actually laughed at your civilization comment. If the USA is your idea of it, you're a bigger idiot than I initially thought.
I live in Australia. I have no intention of ever visiting your cess pool.
Jealous?....please.

You live in an entirely different world, I might even say "realm", so I forgive your naivette. If we're talking skinning crocodiles or hunting in the bush, I would be no match to you. Not even remotely. I accept that and don't have an ego problem with it, because my lifepath has been completely different from yours. I do not think I am a better person than you because of that. However, creating an indoors skating rink requires an immense expenditure of energy and technoligical effort. If you don't have the resources to do that, there's absolutely nothing wrong with third world games like cricket. But you're comparing apples and oranges when you think batting a ball around the outback is the same as sprinting across carefully manufactured ice on 1mm blades. Again, no hard feelings.

3rd world? Your tardinacity has just gone off the scale.
And no, kangaroos don't hop through our city streets.
Yeah, we even have technology to build cities.



I was not saying Australia was 3rd world, even though by the strict definition i.e. Cold War players, it is. I was just saying cricket is a 3rd world game. Sure, you can build "cities". Let's see one of your "cities" that's anywhere close to what Manhattan is. Also, I never said anything about kangaroos, so please quit putting words in my mouth. I know that you people are very sensitive about being stereotyped, so I did not mention that. But last time I checked, there was no Australian flag on the moon. Saying you're one of the developed countries is just wishful thinking.
 
2012-12-15 11:39:23 PM  

TomD9938: ZeroPly: . I applaud you for confronting your own bigotry

So long as you concede that black people can make for good tenants too, you can box that clown all you like.



Oh, yes, the good ol' Karl Rove "attack the strength" strategy. So now it's "black" and not "African American", huh?
 
2012-12-16 12:00:06 AM  

NeoCortex42: Rufus Lee King: Kill all tobacco smokers! Yay!

Marijuana is still ok, though, right?

Goddamned hypocrites.

I don't smoke either one, but I'm pretty sure only one of those causes lung cancer (among other problems) and has been proven to be addictive.


Pretty sure you're an idiot if you think smoking pot DOESN'T cause lung cancer. Smoke is smoke. Smoking causes DNA damage. DNA damage leads to cancer.

Study it out.
 
2012-12-16 12:03:01 AM  

ZeroPly: So now it's "black" and not "African American",


I try to use "African American" in the context of community and "black" when referring to an individual. It's true I sometimes do mix them up when typing though.

Apparently you view "black" as a negative and perhaps among your peers on the speed skating team, it is a big negative, but where I live in a minority white neighborhood, "black" is considered acceptable.
 
2012-12-16 12:04:21 AM  

ZeroPly: RayD8: ZeroPly: RayD8: Simple subtraction for darts genius.
I actually laughed at your civilization comment. If the USA is your idea of it, you're a bigger idiot than I initially thought.
I live in Australia. I have no intention of ever visiting your cess pool.
Jealous?....please.

You live in an entirely different world, I might even say "realm", so I forgive your naivette. If we're talking skinning crocodiles or hunting in the bush, I would be no match to you. Not even remotely. I accept that and don't have an ego problem with it, because my lifepath has been completely different from yours. I do not think I am a better person than you because of that. However, creating an indoors skating rink requires an immense expenditure of energy and technoligical effort. If you don't have the resources to do that, there's absolutely nothing wrong with third world games like cricket. But you're comparing apples and oranges when you think batting a ball around the outback is the same as sprinting across carefully manufactured ice on 1mm blades. Again, no hard feelings.

3rd world? Your tardinacity has just gone off the scale.
And no, kangaroos don't hop through our city streets.
Yeah, we even have technology to build cities.


I was not saying Australia was 3rd world, even though by the strict definition i.e. Cold War players, it is. I was just saying cricket is a 3rd world game. Sure, you can build "cities". Let's see one of your "cities" that's anywhere close to what Manhattan is. Also, I never said anything about kangaroos, so please quit putting words in my mouth. I know that you people are very sensitive about being stereotyped, so I did not mention that. But last time I checked, there was no Australian flag on the moon. Saying you're one of the developed countries is just wishful thinking.


It appears there was room to move on that scale.
We have 22 million population. By logic, why would we build a Manhattan sized city?
If a flag on the moon is your measure of a country's development then by all means, consider us as you see fit.
And wtf? "you people?"
Seems some previous posters questioning your racial views were spot on.
Douche.
 
2012-12-16 12:07:25 AM  
I believe someone just lit up over in the next town. I can almost feel the cancer cells growing inside me at the thought of death bringing smoke so near.
 
2012-12-16 12:08:04 AM  

RayD8: ZeroPly: RayD8: ZeroPly: RayD8: Simple subtraction for darts genius.
I actually laughed at your civilization comment. If the USA is your idea of it, you're a bigger idiot than I initially thought.
I live in Australia. I have no intention of ever visiting your cess pool.
Jealous?....please.

You live in an entirely different world, I might even say "realm", so I forgive your naivette. If we're talking skinning crocodiles or hunting in the bush, I would be no match to you. Not even remotely. I accept that and don't have an ego problem with it, because my lifepath has been completely different from yours. I do not think I am a better person than you because of that. However, creating an indoors skating rink requires an immense expenditure of energy and technoligical effort. If you don't have the resources to do that, there's absolutely nothing wrong with third world games like cricket. But you're comparing apples and oranges when you think batting a ball around the outback is the same as sprinting across carefully manufactured ice on 1mm blades. Again, no hard feelings.

3rd world? Your tardinacity has just gone off the scale.
And no, kangaroos don't hop through our city streets.
Yeah, we even have technology to build cities.


I was not saying Australia was 3rd world, even though by the strict definition i.e. Cold War players, it is. I was just saying cricket is a 3rd world game. Sure, you can build "cities". Let's see one of your "cities" that's anywhere close to what Manhattan is. Also, I never said anything about kangaroos, so please quit putting words in my mouth. I know that you people are very sensitive about being stereotyped, so I did not mention that. But last time I checked, there was no Australian flag on the moon. Saying you're one of the developed countries is just wishful thinking.

It appears there was room to move on that scale.
We have 22 million population. By logic, why would we build a Manhattan sized city?
If a flag on the moon is your measure of ...


Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, and Perth are all larger than Manhattan. Also, you get bonus points for the insanely evil wildlife you contend with.
 
2012-12-16 12:08:48 AM  

ShuyaNanahara: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.

Other than life expectancy?


CSB time: my aunt never smoked or drank. My father smoked four packs a day for forty years - never in my aunt's presence out of courtesy and respect.

My aunt died of lung cancer five years before my father ever got cancer... of the bone...which later metastasized to the brain, lungs, and every other organ in his body.

So maybe you might want to rethink that snark - smoking does contribute to cancer, if you have the genetics. But I have known smokers (one of whom is 80 years old) who have smoked for longer than I have been alive but who have never suffered a single respiratory issue nor contracted cancer. That requires genetic predisposition (which they lack), as a general rule, and one need not smoke nor be subjected to secondhand cigarette/cigar/pipe smoke in order to contract it, as inhalation of cigarette smoke, either voluntarily or involuntarily is not the sole means of contracting cancer, COPD, or any number of deadly respiratory diseases. Science - how does it work?
 
2012-12-16 12:11:33 AM  

Aigoo: ShuyaNanahara: BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.

Other than life expectancy?

CSB time: my aunt never smoked or drank. My father smoked four packs a day for forty years - never in my aunt's presence out of courtesy and respect.

My aunt died of lung cancer five years before my father ever got cancer... of the bone...which later metastasized to the brain, lungs, and every other organ in his body.

So maybe you might want to rethink that snark - smoking does contribute to cancer, if you have the genetics. But I have known smokers (one of whom is 80 years old) who have smoked for longer than I have been alive but who have never suffered a single respiratory issue nor contracted cancer. That requires genetic predisposition (which they lack), as a general rule, and one need not smoke nor be subjected to secondhand cigarette/cigar/pipe smoke in order to contract it, as inhalation of cigarette smoke, either voluntarily or involuntarily is not the sole means of contracting cancer, COPD, or any number of deadly respiratory diseases. Science - how does it work?



CSB:

"Anecdotal". The reason you see this word everywhere it's because it's IMPORTANT.
 
2012-12-16 12:34:41 AM  
I have no problem if an apartment complex owner wanted to ban smoking inside the apartments. The complex is viewed as private property and as such, the owner has the right to decide if someone can smoke inside the building.

That being said, I am not in favor of the government having that ability. The government should not have the power to decide if I can smoke on private property. Especially when tobacco is a legal product to use. And the government banning smoking in any type of private residence can lead to a precidence of the government thinking that they can tell us what next we can not do in our own home, legal or not.

Personally, I am a non-smoker. My wife is a former smoker and honestly, I was happy when she stopped because of all the times I had to stop or pause to wait for her to have a cigarette. I got to the point where I told her "If you enjoy being married you won't light that cigarette". She called me an ass and put it back. I am aiming to keep her from smoking again.

/yes I read the article and that there is nothing about the government actually banning smoking in apartment complexes
//doesn't mean this is an issue that won't come up
///this is a country where a major city banned large sodas and smoking outdoors in Central Park.
 
2012-12-16 12:35:47 AM  

RayD8: ZeroPly: RayD8: ZeroPly: RayD8: Simple subtraction for darts genius.
I actually laughed at your civilization comment. If the USA is your idea of it, you're a bigger idiot than I initially thought.
I live in Australia. I have no intention of ever visiting your cess pool.
Jealous?....please.

You live in an entirely different world, I might even say "realm", so I forgive your naivette. If we're talking skinning crocodiles or hunting in the bush, I would be no match to you. Not even remotely. I accept that and don't have an ego problem with it, because my lifepath has been completely different from yours. I do not think I am a better person than you because of that. However, creating an indoors skating rink requires an immense expenditure of energy and technoligical effort. If you don't have the resources to do that, there's absolutely nothing wrong with third world games like cricket. But you're comparing apples and oranges when you think batting a ball around the outback is the same as sprinting across carefully manufactured ice on 1mm blades. Again, no hard feelings.

3rd world? Your tardinacity has just gone off the scale.
And no, kangaroos don't hop through our city streets.
Yeah, we even have technology to build cities.


I was not saying Australia was 3rd world, even though by the strict definition i.e. Cold War players, it is. I was just saying cricket is a 3rd world game. Sure, you can build "cities". Let's see one of your "cities" that's anywhere close to what Manhattan is. Also, I never said anything about kangaroos, so please quit putting words in my mouth. I know that you people are very sensitive about being stereotyped, so I did not mention that. But last time I checked, there was no Australian flag on the moon. Saying you're one of the developed countries is just wishful thinking.

It appears there was room to move on that scale.
We have 22 million population. By logic, why would we build a Manhattan sized city?
If a flag on the moon is your measure of ...



So now you're weeping that you "only" have 22 million people. You know why? BECAUSE IT SUCKS LIVING THERE. Quite frankly, us Americans are tired of you dimwits in Iran, Australia, Mesopotamia, Bahdad, whatever, claiming you're the pinnacle of civilization, when half of you are trying to find some loophole to immigrate to the US.
 
2012-12-16 12:40:36 AM  
And you morons keep voting Democrat...
 
2012-12-16 12:43:11 AM  

drewogatory: Such absolute bullshiat. I hate the smell as well, but don't try and claim that exposure levels in the parts per billion will cause long term adverse affects in otherwise healthy people. The amount of enviromental pollutants with equal or greater concentrations must be in the thousands.


thank you. i'm not anti science but am a "secondhand smoke will kill you" denier. this crap just galls me no end: " "We know that even brief levels of secondhand smoke exposure can have adverse health effects on both adults and children who do not smoke."" horsepucky.
 
2012-12-16 12:47:55 AM  

ZeroPly: RayD8: ZeroPly: RayD8: ZeroPly: RayD8: Simple subtraction for darts genius.
I actually laughed at your civilization comment. If the USA is your idea of it, you're a bigger idiot than I initially thought.
I live in Australia. I have no intention of ever visiting your cess pool.
Jealous?....please.

You live in an entirely different world, I might even say "realm", so I forgive your naivette. If we're talking skinning crocodiles or hunting in the bush, I would be no match to you. Not even remotely. I accept that and don't have an ego problem with it, because my lifepath has been completely different from yours. I do not think I am a better person than you because of that. However, creating an indoors skating rink requires an immense expenditure of energy and technoligical effort. If you don't have the resources to do that, there's absolutely nothing wrong with third world games like cricket. But you're comparing apples and oranges when you think batting a ball around the outback is the same as sprinting across carefully manufactured ice on 1mm blades. Again, no hard feelings.

3rd world? Your tardinacity has just gone off the scale.
And no, kangaroos don't hop through our city streets.
Yeah, we even have technology to build cities.


I was not saying Australia was 3rd world, even though by the strict definition i.e. Cold War players, it is. I was just saying cricket is a 3rd world game. Sure, you can build "cities". Let's see one of your "cities" that's anywhere close to what Manhattan is. Also, I never said anything about kangaroos, so please quit putting words in my mouth. I know that you people are very sensitive about being stereotyped, so I did not mention that. But last time I checked, there was no Australian flag on the moon. Saying you're one of the developed countries is just wishful thinking.

It appears there was room to move on that scale.
We have 22 million population. By logic, why would we build a Manhattan sized city?
If a flag on the moon is your measure of ...


So now you're weeping that you "only" have 22 million people. You know why? BECAUSE IT SUCKS LIVING THERE. Quite frankly, us Americans are tired of you dimwits in Iran, Australia, Mesopotamia, Bahdad, whatever, claiming you're the pinnacle of civilization, when half of you are trying to find some loophole to immigrate to the US.


No weeping. It was a comment. Keep working on that reading sunshine.
Keep thinking it sucks here. Oh and tell your friends.
Look at the next couple of threads above.
You can keep your laughable pinnacle.
Haha.
 
2012-12-16 12:50:26 AM  

msupf: Honestly surprised more complexes don't just put it in the lease that tenants can't smoke.

Fiancé was a leasing agent for a while... the amount of damage a smoker does to an apt in a year's time is astounding. Freshly painted walls are yellow and gummy; duct work, even after cleaning, is gummy and nasty and reeks of smoke; plastics throughout the apt need replacing; carpets and padding often need to be just torn out and replaced since cleanings don't always work, and so on and so on.

It got to the point where one particular apt had to be stripped down to studs because 2 years after the fact the place was still untenable because of two heavy smokers who lived there a couple years ago. They smoke so heavily that they stained the insulation and drywall opposite.


you don't mind if i call bullshiat on that one, do you?
 
2012-12-16 01:08:34 AM  
I'm no smoker, and I'm no fan of putting the risk of restaurant and bar workers' health at risk with the utterly smoke-choked workplaces I remember from before all those workplace smoking bans went up. But I do think it's more than past time that restrictions on smoking had more to do with the actual risks from secondhand smoke.

The dose makes the poison, as they say, and it simply defies common sense that your respiratory health would be irreparably damaged by even a single whiff of secondhand smoke. Nicotine addiction is a hell of a thing, and I see no need to force smokers to jump through ridiculous hoops just because they aren't prepared to put the effort in to break it.

If nothing else, I want to see some real research done on whether secondhand e-cig fumes are a risk to anyone, so that if it turns out they aren't, we can get the ball rolling on exempting e-cigs from smoking bans.

tl;dr Neo-puritans who think smokers ought to suffer for their own good can go fark themselves.
 
2012-12-16 01:26:56 AM  

Prey4reign: I believe someone just lit up over in the next town. I can almost feel the cancer cells growing inside me at the thought of death bringing smoke so near.


Ya, it's easy to poke fun now because you live with the benefits of having smoke-free environments. You might be singing a different tune if every restaurant you ate at and every office building you entered was filled with smoke.
 
2012-12-16 01:32:06 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: I'd be okay with shooting smokers on sight, disgusting farking habit.


I could type the same thing about homosexuals but that would make me a bigot...or something.
 
2012-12-16 01:38:17 AM  
I can see why this is needed. Used to live in an apt complex once on the ground floor. Upstairs neighbor would bloody choose to smoke at 3 am in his bathroom for some idiotic reason (as opposed to all the time, or anywhere in the apt, or on his patio). shiat would go through the ducts and flood into my apt. Kindly asked him to stop, take it outside, explaining it. Gave me a shiat-eating smirk. I decorated it with a busted lip and phoned my drinkin' buddy the manager and he was out next month.

If you wanna kill yourself slowly via smoking or eating yourself to death or drinking your liver into oblivion or doing drugs, I'm all for your freedom to do that, but you're not taking me with you and you're not taking my tax money or time in a pointless effort to drag it out over decades.
 
2012-12-16 01:38:20 AM  
ZeroPly:

This guy is just so precious. Profile is pretty funny too. :)
 
2012-12-16 01:48:17 AM  

Curious: msupf: Honestly surprised more complexes don't just put it in the lease that tenants can't smoke.

Fiancé was a leasing agent for a while... the amount of damage a smoker does to an apt in a year's time is astounding. Freshly painted walls are yellow and gummy; duct work, even after cleaning, is gummy and nasty and reeks of smoke; plastics throughout the apt need replacing; carpets and padding often need to be just torn out and replaced since cleanings don't always work, and so on and so on.

It got to the point where one particular apt had to be stripped down to studs because 2 years after the fact the place was still untenable because of two heavy smokers who lived there a couple years ago. They smoke so heavily that they stained the insulation and drywall opposite.

you don't mind if i call bullshiat on that one, do you?


Call it all you want, I had to help photodocument the apartment several times for damages and insurance claims. While the couple lived there the leasing office got complaints weekly about the smoking and constant smell. The property manager would write notices up, but as long as they paid the rent, she wasn't going to do anything serious. Sure got serious afterward.
 
2012-12-16 01:58:32 AM  

msupf: Honestly surprised more complexes don't just put it in the lease that tenants can't smoke.

Fiancé was a leasing agent for a while... the amount of damage a smoker does to an apt in a year's time is astounding. Freshly painted walls are yellow and gummy; duct work, even after cleaning, is gummy and nasty and reeks of smoke; plastics throughout the apt need replacing; carpets and padding often need to be just torn out and replaced since cleanings don't always work, and so on and so on.

It got to the point where one particular apt had to be stripped down to studs because 2 years after the fact the place was still untenable because of two heavy smokers who lived there a couple years ago. They smoke so heavily that they stained the insulation and drywall opposite.


I'm a smoker, and the only places I've ever smoked in were places that a smoker obviously had lived in before, or when I had roommates who smoked inside. One place I moved into had a three pack a day smoker living there before me, and the landlord had scrubbed the walls, sanded them down, and repainted them. Within three days of moving in there was brown tar leaking through the paint in the bathroom and kitchen, and the place smelled like I had just put out a cigarette. I started smoking in there shortly after, because farkit, I wasn't going to make the problem any worse.
 
2012-12-16 03:07:32 AM  

msupf: Canned Tamales: msupf: Honestly surprised more complexes don't just put it in the lease that tenants can't smoke.

Fiancé was a leasing agent for a while... the amount of damage a smoker does to an apt in a year's time is astounding. Freshly painted walls are yellow and gummy; duct work, even after cleaning, is gummy and nasty and reeks of smoke; plastics throughout the apt need replacing; carpets and padding often need to be just torn out and replaced since cleanings don't always work, and so on and so on.

It got to the point where one particular apt had to be stripped down to studs because 2 years after the fact the place was still untenable because of two heavy smokers who lived there a couple years ago. They smoke so heavily that they stained the insulation and drywall opposite.

Speaking as a heavy smoker who has done a fair amount of cleaning, maintenance and repair work, you're either full of shiat, or the owners/managers were cheap-asses who paid $60 for an apartment cleaning and expected it to be like new.

It takes even a heavy smoker more than a year to do that kind of damage unless they are huge slobs smoking all day every day with all the windows closed and spilling ashes all over the carpet without cleaning them up,. and never wiping any surfaces down. If they were smart enough to use semi-gloss instead of flat paint, they might not even have to repaint after a good cleaning.

I wish people would stop with the know-nothing exaggerations and bullshiat.

Eh, you're not special enough for me to link you to her work Flickr account that documented the damage. Good quality shots of white surfaces turned yellow, and photos of the professionally cleaned ductwork before, after, and after tear out showing the residue, same goes for behind the drywall and even in the wiring boxes for light switches and plugs.


Speaking as someone who has done such a cleanup job, I can safely say you're full of shiat. What did you attempt to clean the walls with? Deionized water? If tobacco smoke did what you describe to drywall, then cooking and bathing would do much worse. Some buildings (many?) are built such that air blows through the electrical conduits and boxes. That's not supposed to happen and that's most likely what caused schmutz to build up in your boxes, not smoke.  Did the tennants change the air filter on the AC/heater? Did they even bother with a filter? Face it. The tennants were slobs and you decided to focus on their smoking as the cause of all the mess.
 
2012-12-16 03:10:18 AM  

ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?


TFA resembles you in so many ways.
 
2012-12-16 03:14:11 AM  

MurphyMurphy: *fake cough*
*fake cough*

/takes drag off empty inhaler

I'm allergic, stop.

I think I need to go to the hospital because I smelled that guy's cigarette

*fake cough*
*fake cough*


Try teasing those people with a fake cigarette of the sort you get from the revolving rack of squirt nickels and joy buzzers. Show them it's fake when they cough.
 
2012-12-16 03:27:20 AM  

maelstrom0370: untaken_name: Popcorn Johnny: I'd be okay with shooting smokers on sight, disgusting farking habit.

What about people who smoke when they're not farking? Are they ok?

Not so CSB:
Wife and I were at Cedar Point last summer. Stopped by one of the CLEARLY MARKED smoking areas, sat down and lit up. Guy next to me does the "cough cough" thing, shoots me a dirty look and storms off.


y'all sound like trash. *shrug*
 
2012-12-16 03:30:27 AM  

Terrible Old Man: I can see why this is needed. Used to live in an apt complex once on the ground floor. Upstairs neighbor would bloody choose to smoke at 3 am in his bathroom for some idiotic reason (as opposed to all the time, or anywhere in the apt, or on his patio). shiat would go through the ducts and flood into my apt. Kindly asked him to stop, take it outside, explaining it. Gave me a shiat-eating smirk. I decorated it with a busted lip and phoned my drinkin' buddy the manager and he was out next month.

If you wanna kill yourself slowly via smoking or eating yourself to death or drinking your liver into oblivion or doing drugs, I'm all for your freedom to do that, but you're not taking me with you and you're not taking my tax money or time in a pointless effort to drag it out over decades.


Sounds like your apartment building wasn't built up to code. That's not his problem. It's your drinkin' buddy's problem.
 
2012-12-16 03:31:33 AM  

msupf: Honestly surprised more complexes don't just put it in the lease that tenants can't smoke.

Fiancé was a leasing agent for a while... the amount of damage a smoker does to an apt in a year's time is astounding. Freshly painted walls are yellow and gummy; duct work, even after cleaning, is gummy and nasty and reeks of smoke; plastics throughout the apt need replacing; carpets and padding often need to be just torn out and replaced since cleanings don't always work, and so on and so on.

It got to the point where one particular apt had to be stripped down to studs because 2 years after the fact the place was still untenable because of two heavy smokers who lived there a couple years ago. They smoke so heavily that they stained the insulation and drywall opposite.


phrawgh: I've been praying for this for a long time. Thank you Jesus!


it'd be nice if there were smoking and non-smoking sections of apartment complexes... it'd also be nice if there were children sections and pet sections of apartment complexes separated from childless/petless sections. can dream about both, even if neither become a reality.

/dog owners are cool
//dog owners who are also apartment dwellers are never cool
///smokers are drug addicts who fk it up for everybody else
 
2012-12-16 03:34:18 AM  

Prey4reign: I believe someone just lit up over in the next town. I can almost feel the cancer cells growing inside me at the thought of death bringing smoke so near.


for some of us, that shiat really is irritating. it's not trying to be a dick. when you have breathing issues, someone smoking really screws up your day. if you live in a building with duct issues... yeah, it's not cool, man.
 
2012-12-16 03:38:13 AM  

LaughingRadish: Terrible Old Man: I can see why this is needed. Used to live in an apt complex once on the ground floor. Upstairs neighbor would bloody choose to smoke at 3 am in his bathroom for some idiotic reason (as opposed to all the time, or anywhere in the apt, or on his patio). shiat would go through the ducts and flood into my apt. Kindly asked him to stop, take it outside, explaining it. Gave me a shiat-eating smirk. I decorated it with a busted lip and phoned my drinkin' buddy the manager and he was out next month.

If you wanna kill yourself slowly via smoking or eating yourself to death or drinking your liver into oblivion or doing drugs, I'm all for your freedom to do that, but you're not taking me with you and you're not taking my tax money or time in a pointless effort to drag it out over decades.

Sounds like your apartment building wasn't built up to code. That's not his problem. It's your drinkin' buddy's problem.


I sympathized with Terrible Old Man right up until the point where he got into a physical altercation with the guy and then pulled with the apartment manager instead of going through actual legal channels. What happens when the drinking buddy is the smoker's best friend?

Nepotism and Old Boy Networks are NEVER cool. not a cool story, Terrible Old Man bro.

As for the apartment building not being up to code, there should have been a better way to handle this than kicking a guy out of his apartment for no reason except the Old Boy Network, even if the smoking was irritating? dude probably smoked in the bathroom because he thought that the vents would take care of it....

Just a sad story all the way around. What would you have done instead, Laughing Radish?
 
2012-12-16 03:51:07 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: LaughingRadish: Terrible Old Man: I can see why this is needed. Used to live in an apt complex once on the ground floor. Upstairs neighbor would bloody choose to smoke at 3 am in his bathroom for some idiotic reason (as opposed to all the time, or anywhere in the apt, or on his patio). shiat would go through the ducts and flood into my apt. Kindly asked him to stop, take it outside, explaining it. Gave me a shiat-eating smirk. I decorated it with a busted lip and phoned my drinkin' buddy the manager and he was out next month.

If you wanna kill yourself slowly via smoking or eating yourself to death or drinking your liver into oblivion or doing drugs, I'm all for your freedom to do that, but you're not taking me with you and you're not taking my tax money or time in a pointless effort to drag it out over decades.

Sounds like your apartment building wasn't built up to code. That's not his problem. It's your drinkin' buddy's problem.

I sympathized with Terrible Old Man right up until the point where he got into a physical altercation with the guy and then pulled with the apartment manager instead of going through actual legal channels. What happens when the drinking buddy is the smoker's best friend?

Nepotism and Old Boy Networks are NEVER cool. not a cool story, Terrible Old Man bro.

As for the apartment building not being up to code, there should have been a better way to handle this than kicking a guy out of his apartment for no reason except the Old Boy Network, even if the smoking was irritating? dude probably smoked in the bathroom because he thought that the vents would take care of it....

Just a sad story all the way around. What would you have done instead, Laughing Radish?


In who's place? If I were the annoyed, I'd complain to the manager "I can smell everything that he does in the bathroom. You need to get the building up to code." If roles were reversed I'd be a bit suspect if my smoking is getting a complaint but not my bowel movements.
 
2012-12-16 03:51:54 AM  
I would get suspicious...

dammit.
 
2012-12-16 04:12:25 AM  
Best thing I ever brought was a ego-c , I can't even imagine ever smoking analogs again. No smell, no smoke, no nasty chemicals, a better throat hit, cheaper and a better taste, I love my green apple flavoured nicotine!
 
2012-12-16 04:30:12 AM  
When the government pays for your housing and medical treatment, it's only right that the government should also tell you not to smoke and prescribe your diet. They should also tell you what job you can or should work, what clothes you wear, and what tattoos you are allowed to have. And how many children you can have.
 
2012-12-16 04:51:39 AM  
Seeing as i have to pay for your health insurance, I dont give a fark if smokers are being choked out. I hope fast food joints are next
 
2012-12-16 05:32:11 AM  
This wasn't a scientific study so much as it was a survey, and its methodology leaves much to be desired.

Here is an abstract of the work that was done:

Multiunit housing residents' experiences and attitudes toward smoke-free policies
Abstract
Introduction: Secondhand smoke (SHS) causes significant disease and death. A person's home represents a prominent source of SHS, and the potential for exposure is elevated among those who live in close proximity to smokers in multiunit housing (MUH). This study assessed the prevalence and predictors of SHS exposure and smoke-free policy support among MUH residents.
Methods: Data were obtained from 5,936 MUH residents who participated in the New York State Adult Tobacco Survey between May 2007 and May 2009. Bivariate analyses were used to assess the prevalence of smoke-free home policies, SHS incursions, and support for smoke-free policies. Logistic regression was used to identify predictors of these measures while adjusting for gender, age, ethnicity, education, region, children in household, and housing type.
Results: A total of 73.1% of respondents reported a personal smoke-free home policy in their home. Among these individuals, 46.2% indicated that SHS has ever entered their home in the past year, while 9.2% reported daily incursions. Overall, a majority of respondents (55.6%) support a policy that bans smoking in all areas of their building, including residential units; support was significantly higher among ethnic minorities and individuals who reside with children.
Discussion: Nearly half of New York MUH residents with a smoke-free home policy have experienced a SHS incursion in their home. Since a majority of MUH residents support smoke-free policies and nearly three quarters already prohibit smoking in their home, opportunities exist for initiatives to promote smoke-free building policies.
 
2012-12-16 08:24:04 AM  
It was polite of y'all to engage w zeroply, but he's a pretty blatant troll.
 
2012-12-16 09:50:44 AM  

o'really: It was polite of y'all to engage w zeroply, but he's a pretty blatant troll.


Dangit I realized that when I finally clicked his profile. Funny! Got suckered, but a lot of stuff he was saying is really what a lot of people think... Until he started up the Aussie lulz.
 
2012-12-16 09:52:51 AM  

maelstrom0370: maelstrom0370: untaken_name: Popcorn Johnny: I'd be okay with shooting smokers on sight, disgusting farking habit.

What about people who smoke when they're not farking? Are they ok?

Not so CSB:
Wife and I were at Cedar Point last summer. Stopped by one of the CLEARLY MARKED smoking areas, sat down and lit up. Guy next to me does the "cough cough" thing, shoots me a dirty look and storms off.

Hate when I quote the wrong post :/


when i was still a smoker, anyone pulling the fake cough crap got my cigarette flicked at them.
 
2012-12-16 10:19:14 AM  
They should ban fat people too, makes me want to smoke.
 
2012-12-16 10:22:58 AM  

BlippityBleep: ZeroPly:
No, cretin. There are no smokers in competitive speedskating, any more than there are functional alcoholics in the astronaut program. Let me say it again. NoLink smokers. Here's another one - competitive marathon: no smokers. Wait, the ideas just keep coming. My last 100km bicycle time trial? Pretty sure there were no smokers on that one either. Unless they somehow found a way to smoke while on their aero bars and their heart rate was at 90% max.

Smokers are disgusting sh*tbags. They defend their addiction as "freedom" in the same way the NAMBLA creeps enhort you to keep an open mind about sexuality.

[i49.tinypic.com image 640x429]

heeeey there's people in the tour-de-france smoking while doing the race! and did you miss the list of olympians? here's another link related to smoking athletes: Link

dayum you're a silly little fascist! and you have no idea if your competitors smoke or not. i challenge you to ask them. :-)


Is this the same astronaut program that has the woman who drove across the country to kill someone while wearing diapers the whole time?
 
2012-12-16 10:38:20 AM  

halloran: Is this the same astronaut program that has the woman who drove across the country to kill someone while wearing diapers the whole time?


potato?
 
2012-12-16 10:46:06 AM  

o'really: It was polite of y'all to engage w zeroply, but he's a pretty blatant troll.


I wanted to believe.
 
2012-12-16 11:32:06 AM  

vegas_greaser: maelstrom0370: maelstrom0370: untaken_name: Popcorn Johnny: I'd be okay with shooting smokers on sight, disgusting farking habit.

What about people who smoke when they're not farking? Are they ok?

Not so CSB:
Wife and I were at Cedar Point last summer. Stopped by one of the CLEARLY MARKED smoking areas, sat down and lit up. Guy next to me does the "cough cough" thing, shoots me a dirty look and storms off.

Hate when I quote the wrong post :/

when i was still a smoker, anyone pulling the fake cough crap got my cigarette flicked at them.


I'm a pretty conscientious smoker. Even when outside, I'll step away from the crowd if I need to light up. Cedar Point is non-smoking except for a few small areas (I think there's 4) scattered around the park. That said, don't get all self-righteous if I smoke in the smoking area.
 
2012-12-16 12:28:49 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: maelstrom0370: untaken_name: Popcorn Johnny: I'd be okay with shooting smokers on sight, disgusting farking habit.

What about people who smoke when they're not farking? Are they ok?

Not so CSB:
Wife and I were at Cedar Point last summer. Stopped by one of the CLEARLY MARKED smoking areas, sat down and lit up. Guy next to me does the "cough cough" thing, shoots me a dirty look and storms off.

y'all sound like trash. *shrug*


Well bless your pea-pickin' little heart :)

/it's always cute when the young'uns try converse like grown folks
 
2012-12-16 02:09:33 PM  
I support the idea of banning smoking inside apartments. Even as a smoker, I've always been annoyed by secondhand smoke near me in enclosed spaces. It makes walls yellow and the smell lingers forever.

And I'd hate to live in a complex where the smoke seeps thru vents. This happens even when buildings are designed to code. Federally subsidized housing already bans smoking indoors, even if you have a med marijuana card.

But complaining about smoking outside is ridiculous. In most cases you can step away from smokers when you are outdoors. A city near me in the sf bay area has banned all outdoor/public smoking, including if you are driving or outside a bar. There's a steep fine, and cops are quick to enforce, despite a high crime rate that they could be focusing on instead.

All colleges in my area ban smoking on the entire campus, even tho there have been laws for years that you need to be 20 feet from a building. I still smoked at school. My campus was huge and it was completely prohibitive to get off campus between classes.

My city recently passed a law banning all smoking on the outside property of apartment complexes. The law is very strict. One warning, then you are evicted. You can smoke inside all you want, even if it damages your housemates and childrens health, furniture, walls and is a fire risk. I'm sure the restrictions will continue to nitpick, as this is cali, smokers are absolutely reviled by a large part of the population.
 
2012-12-16 03:14:56 PM  
Smoking is a freedom of expression.


fark your rules. I'll do what I want in my home.
 
2012-12-16 03:51:51 PM  
I live in a multistory apartment building. Farking smokers smoke in the elevator, stinking it up long after they're gone. Now I get revenge. Now after I've eaten beans and stored up several cubic feet of noxious gas, I'll go to the elevator to vent said noxious gas. if the smokers can stink up the elevator so can I.
 
2012-12-18 06:43:23 PM  
Smoking doesn't seem to affect how much of an asshole you are judging by the comments.
 
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