kmmontandon: themindiswatching: What if Obama submits a bill to Congress next month thatIt doesn't matter how you finish this sentence, the Republican answer is "no."
violentsalvation: chuckufarlie: violentsalvation: chuckufarlie: violentsalvation: If they actually wanted to curb this kind of violence in America they would be asking for a doubling or tripling of mental health funding, and consider some amendments to HIPPA that allow certain diagnoses to be be reported to the NCIC. As a start. If someone wants to make a petition asking for something similar I'd sign it. There is no achievable amount of gun control that would make a bit of difference, otherwise.yes, there is a mental health issue in the USA but more funding for mental health is not going to solve the problem, or even slow it down. The people in the last three shootings had not been diagnosed as mentally ill. Beyond that, a person that is sane and rational on Monday is fully capable of snapping on Tuesday and shooting up a school on Wednesday. How is your proposal going to help in that case?Mental health only helps when you get the people diagnosed and medicated.The medical officials call these shooters "rage killers". Rage is something that is rarely diagnosed and it usually comes on before it can be diagnosed.Got any other bright ideas?Do you have ANY ideas? Because guns aren't going away. So you might want to be open to something that could help, or you're just another part of the problem. The last three you picked to fit your argument might have been treated for mental illness if treatment was more readily available and destigmatized.Of course guns can go away. At least the semi-automatic and automatic rifles. There is nothing that stands in the way of doing so except inertia. I think that shooting 20 kids might be enough to overcome that inertia.lol. There are tens of millions of semi-auto firearms in the US, or more, millions of them have been resold and are legally unregistered. I own a handful myself. Good luck, you support a gun control argument that has absolutely no basis in reality.
Pincy: Prank Call of Cthulhu: What the hell kind of paranoid delusions are you suffering that you need an AR-15, a Glock, a Sig Sauer, and, if reports are to be believed, two other guns to protect you? From what? Zombies? Zee Germans? Jack-booted stormtroopers? Satan's minions? The UN? Commies? Roving bands of negroes?Her son?
Popcorn Johnny: Linux_Yes: i own a Glock 9mm.Sorry about the small penis. You know you could just buy a cool car, right?
John Dewey: Here's a start from a poster to WashPostConsole and then act.1. Ban on sale of automatics, semi-automatics and conversion kits2. Ban on sale of high capacity magazines3. Ban on sale of cop-killer ammunition4. Prison for gunsmiths and others converting weapons to auto fire5. Insurance for guns owned as for pools6. Ban on body armor except for law enforcement7. Closure of gun show, private sales and other loosely regulated trading venues8. Grandfather existing weapons but to remain on premises; high capacity magazines and cop-killer ammunition to be turned into police with 90 day grace period.9. Internet notice of persons owning grandfathered banned weapons as per child predator safety notification10. Annual recertification of gun owners with inventory11. All weapons to be stored under lock and key
keithgabryelski: Linux_Yes: almost 50,000 Americans died in auto accidents last year (most from boozie drivers). i don't hear anyone talking about Car Control.in your state, what is the legal alcohol blood level for drivers?what was it 10 years ago?what was it 20 years ago?
Jarhead_h: Also, something else no one seems to be talking about - on Friday morning not one single homeschooler took part in a fatal shooting in Newtown, CT.
Dimensio: urban.derelict: Dimensio: Two of my firearms are handguns; for both, their ten-round magazines are designed to fit flush with the grip and thus the magazines were designed specifically to the size and shape of the handguns (the thirteen round magazine for one handgun extends the grip to that of a full size pistol).You have still not demonstrated a public safety benefit for restricting firearm magazines as you propose.S/W 15+1 -- they fit in the f*cking clip, stop with your 'OMFG DONT FIRE MORE THAN 2 BUWWITS baby garbage craep shiat f*ck, go hide in a f*cking caveI have no idea what you are attempting to state.
Notabunny: BuckTurgidson: We should totally base Federal policy on online polls.[_] Agree[_] Disagree[X] Mehi>
Popcorn Johnny: Dimensio: "Need" is not relevant. Until you can demonstrate a public safety benefit from limiting all firearm magazines to the sub-standard capacity of five rounds, the proposal is not reasonable.Nothing is reasonable to gun nuts. There's an obvious public safety benefit by limiting the capacity of a weapon. Would you rather be facing a criminal with a 200 round drum or a 5 round magazine?I'm dying to hear what's substandard about a 5 round capacity?
Uranus Is Huge!: rohar: keithgabryelski: rohar: Yes, but it rised dramatically as gun control became more restrictive. The number of guns in the country was reduced and the gun based crime increased. Odd huh?Maybe, just maybe, gun control wasn't what changed the metrics. I wonder what it could have been...it sounds like bullshiat -- the information has been sliced in a dishonest way.what we do know (reading the homicide rates from my wikipedia link above): if the nation has less guns that nation has less homicides.I'm good with that as a starting point.If a nation is Norwegian, they have terribly low homicide rates so the solution is simple. All we have to do is convert all Americans to Norwegians! It's so farking simple! Why didn't I think of this!Now, how do you change the behavior of a single demographic? You state the metrics are cooked, you have any better metrics?/guessing not/talking out your ass seems to be your thingGood news! Your dog whistle works great!
Lionel Mandrake: kmmontandon: themindiswatching: What if Obama submits a bill to Congress next month thatIt doesn't matter how you finish this sentence, the Republican answer is "no."The more erudite among them will say "No, because communism"
graggor: birdmanesq: graggor: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.This shouldnt be hard to figure out.And I am not even a gun nut by any means.Gun ownership and gun control dont have much to do with falling crime rates in this country.Better police, access to abortion, social welfare and health and medicine have far more to do with it than anything.Mass incarceration has also been helpful.Well I agree incarceration has a lot to do with it quite often these numbers are inflated by certain factors. we count people on parole....this inflates the number a lot.The number of people actually in prison is .7% of the country. Which is still a lot and many people are in jail for non violent reasons which maybe we will get to a point where we do not imprison these people as long.Either way there are 300 million people out there to commit crime and 2 million in jail.7 million on parole and in jail combined.So it is what is. If we had even BETTER health care we could see this go lower.But the US is a complicated country. Our demographics are so different from many of these monochromatic societies.
CruiserTwelve: It comes down to this: We'll do the same thing we've done after the last 20 mass killings, which is nothing. Next week or next month there'll be another mass killing and we'll do the same. Mass killings are just a way of life in America now. Accept it and move on.
chuckufarlie: Do you have ANY ideas? Because guns aren't going away. So you might want to be open to something that could help, or you're just another part of the problem. The last three you picked to fit your argument might have been treated for mental illness if treatment was more readily available and destigmatized.Of course guns can go away. At least the semi-automatic and automatic rifles. There is nothing that stands in the way of doing so except inertia. I think that shooting 20 kids might be enough to overcome that inertia.lol. There are tens of millions of semi-auto firearms in the US, or more, millions of them have been resold and are legally unregistered. I own a handful myself. Good luck, you support a gun control argument that has absolutely no basis in reality.There is a very easy way to identify men who own such weapons. All we need to do is get doctors in this country to identify the patients with small penises.
spmkk: And please -- don't embarrass yourself with the usual drivel about the imaginary risk of cross-fire. There is absolutely no situation where issuing a firearm to this woman and her colleagues would have resulted in more deaths, and many outcomes where it would have saved multiple lives (including her own).
urban.derelict: mittromneysdog: urban.derelict: //if only ANYONE ELSE AT THE SCHOOL HAD A F*CKING GUN then MAYBE they could have been safeYeah, dammit. WHY DON'T KINDERGARTEN TEACHERS PACK HEAT!!!You're goddamn right. Why didn't the principal, in his duties to protect and direct students to a wealth of knowledge, have ZERO security at the school? Schools are PERFECT TARGETS because they're "GUN-FREE" which means perps can take their time, like this gentleman did.Nobody wonders why this happened out in the middle of nowhere in New England, nobody wonders why Holmes got away with multiple murders in a Colorado movie theatre -- NOBODY ELSE HAS F*CKING WEAPONS YOU F*CKING DIPshiatS/unarmed = always the victim, never the hero
bulldg4life: Therefore there is no need for gun laws.
urban.derelict: //if only ANYONE ELSE AT THE SCHOOL HAD A F*CKING GUN then MAYBE they could have been safe
tenpoundsofcheese: Yeah. We are about 80 times bigger than they are, so we have more lunatics.
evil saltine: vygramul: 2012 StagArms AR-15: Always preferred a rifle and wanted something that was cheaper to fire than the Nagant, whose Ammo it turns out is usually surplus Russian and usually random. Last load I got was light armor-piercing, and you can't fire that in an indoor range.Right, dead children so you can have a cool toy.
vygramul: There's something wrong with us, and it's not just that we have lots of guns.
Prank Call of Cthulhu: What the hell kind of paranoid delusions are you suffering that you need an AR-15, a Glock, a Sig Sauer, and, if reports are to be believed, two other guns to protect you? From what? Zombies? Zee Germans? Jack-booted stormtroopers? Satan's minions? The UN? Commies? Roving bands of negroes?
tenpoundsofcheese: Lionel Mandrake: Lionel Mandrake: tenpoundsofcheese: I said specifically "Do more people die from these insane attacks".Those are the only kind that kill people?And, are we only counting the year of the Breivik attack?With enough qualifiers, any stupid, useless statement can be "correct"This thread was about people's response to the recent attack.Get a clue.You lost.1/10 for trying to save face.
diaphoresis: birdmanesq: cameroncrazy1984: Tipping point.It would be nice to have an evidence-based conversation about this.it's cameron.. never gonna happen. You're more likely to get hit by a meteorite while having sex in an elevator with 8 female porn stars while a midget in a clown suit takes pictures.
tenpoundsofcheese: Lionel Mandrake: tenpoundsofcheese: Do more people die from these insane attacks in the US than say in a place like Norway?yestenpoundsofcheese: And if you look on a per capita basis, isn't it a lot worse in Norway than the US?noYou sure?85 people died in Norway in an insane attack (going after kids too)Per capita, they have about 1/80th of the number of people.Care to try again.
coco ebert: Because at least half this country wants gun control. The other half is whingeing in the politics tab right now.
cameroncrazy1984: Tipping point.
BravadoGT: kmmontandon: themindiswatching: What if Obama submits a bill to Congress next month thatIt doesn't matter how you finish this sentence, the Republican answer is "no."It's because Republicans already know that adding more laws won't stop the killing. Once someone decides to go kill a school full of children, they're going to find a way. If they cant' get a hold of guns, they'll bring swords or machetes or axes; they'll bring acid, or build pipe bombs and car bombs. Point is--further restricting the tool isn't going to correct the underlying condition--it's nothing more that a band-aid when the body needs an antibiotic.
themindiswatching: What if Obama submits a bill to Congress next month that
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