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(Boulder Weekly)   Federal government terminates quadriplegic's disability housing assistance because she uses medical marijuana for chronic pain   (boulderweekly.com) divider line 148
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2012-12-15 06:13:55 PM
Change we can believe in

/kidding 
//Well, kinda kidding
 
2012-12-15 06:20:05 PM
crush the weak, smash the sick down and make them pay for needing help! it's what Jesus would have wanted.
 
2012-12-15 06:25:07 PM
Tell her to use her non-existent arm functions to grab hold of her unnecessary bootstraps so she can pull herself up.
 
2012-12-15 06:43:50 PM
Something tells me that the word "chronic" was chosen for the irony.
 
2012-12-15 06:48:14 PM
The Department of Housing and Urban Development, in response to medical marijuana laws passed in 15 states since 1996, did issue a memorandum in January 2011 saying that while it was still the federal policy not to permit the use of marijuana, medical or otherwise, whether local housing authorities decided to evict someone on the basis of marijuana use was at their discretion. Public housing authorities and owners of houses leased to housing voucher recipients, the memo says, "have the discretion to evict, or refrain from evicting, a current tenant who the PHA or owner determines is illegally using a controlled substance. ... Thus, while PHAs and owners may elect to terminate occupancy based on illegal drug use, they are not required to evict current tenants for such use."

Seems to me like that's a pass, except:

"Our rules don't require the housing authority to terminate assistance, but our rules do provide that the housing authority needs to have a policy that provides for what to do in those sorts of situations," Rodriquez says. Unfortunately for people like Weber, the Longmont Housing Authority settled on a zero-tolerance policy.

It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.
 
2012-12-15 07:02:35 PM
they see her rolling, they hatin'
 
2012-12-15 07:03:15 PM
Wow, the "friend" she was riding with sounds like a piece of work. Hope he's currently getting a regular ass pounding in prison.
 
2012-12-15 07:06:51 PM
Evil. Pure evil.
 
2012-12-15 07:07:29 PM
That's because it is illegal.  Why the fuss?
 
2012-12-15 07:08:32 PM
Enjoy your pending Federal Obamacare, proles.
 
2012-12-15 07:08:36 PM
WTF is going on here. When did it become time to fark with all the helpless people.
 
2012-12-15 07:09:19 PM
fark the Feds.
 
2012-12-15 07:10:24 PM

fusillade762: Wow, the "friend" she was riding with sounds like a piece of work. Hope he's currently getting a regular ass pounding in prison.


This. Why don't we talk more about this shiatdick.
 
2012-12-15 07:10:52 PM

fusillade762: Wow, the "friend" she was riding with sounds like a piece of work. Hope he's currently getting a regular ass pounding in prison.


I'm assuming not or they probably would have mentioned him being jailed.

Personally I hope he died of gangrene of the penis.
 
2012-12-15 07:11:27 PM

upndn: WTF is going on here. When did it become time to fark with all the helpless people.


Unlike politicians, they are always in season.
 
2012-12-15 07:13:59 PM
It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.
It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.
It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.
 
2012-12-15 07:14:07 PM
The job-creating private sector is striving to give this woman comfort and safety.

Jack-booted government bureaucrats are blindfolding her for the death-panel firing squad.

/ According to FOX
 
2012-12-15 07:14:37 PM

lenfromak: Evil. Pure evil.


The writing is more horrible than the subject matter.
 
2012-12-15 07:15:54 PM
It's time to amend the Controlled Substances Act
 
2012-12-15 07:16:42 PM
That's because it is illegal. Why the fuss?

Fark accepts all, even bootlickers.
 
2012-12-15 07:17:30 PM
I thought Lord Black was going to legalize weed and provide healthcare for everyone. This is the opposite of that!
 
2012-12-15 07:17:36 PM
How dare the government enforce the law regardless of circumstance!
 
2012-12-15 07:18:35 PM
Woohoo! Freedom!
 
2012-12-15 07:18:38 PM
One fine day, hopefully in my lifetime, the great American ban on cannabis will be lifted. I wonder what the history book will say was the cause of it.
 
2012-12-15 07:18:52 PM

DubtodaIll: How dare the government enforce the law regardless of circumstance!


You support this?
 
2012-12-15 07:19:17 PM
Where's the hero tag for somebody finally upholding the law, subby? Won't somebody think of the bureaucrats?
 
2012-12-15 07:20:24 PM
where's the husband, did I miss that in the article. And the child support from husband.
 
2012-12-15 07:21:59 PM

redTiburon: Enjoy your pending Federal Obamacare, proles.


This had been a HUD regulation long, long before Obama. In fact, in 2002, the US Supreme Court held in HUD v. Rucker that any drug related activity by the tenant or their guest, whether the tenant knew or not their guest had drugs, is subject to an eviction under the HUD regulation. The court specifically said that there is no innocent tenant defense. HUD argued in favor of that strict interpretation and the court agreed. Unanimously. In 2002. HUD is a cabinet position under the executive branch.

Damn, who in the hell was president in 2002?
 
2012-12-15 07:22:42 PM

Lsherm: "Our rules don't require the housing authority to terminate assistance, but our rules do provide that the housing authority needs to have a policy that provides for what to do in those sorts of situations," Rodriquez says. Unfortunately for people like Weber, the Longmont Housing Authority settled on a zero-tolerance policy.

It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.


Zero tolerance policies are great when you don't trust anyone to apply reason or logic to a situation or in cases where you suspect they may not actually have those capacities in the first place. Unfortunately the one and only absolute guarantee zero tolerance policies provide is that they will eventually make you look like a total dickbag.

Other than allowing for the employment of dimwits and making yourself look bad, they aren't good for much else.
 
2012-12-15 07:24:16 PM

TheJoe03: DubtodaIll: How dare the government enforce the law regardless of circumstance!

You support this?


I support the government enforcing laws as they are written therefore giving credence to those laws. If a law results in an unintended circumstance that corcumstance then provides force to rewrite or change that law. This is an unfortunate incident but as a practice I prefer laws to be executed equally to all citizens within jurisdiction of said law. It is inefficient and unjust to allow the a law to apply to some and not others.
 
2012-12-15 07:24:28 PM

The Green Intern: It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.
It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.
It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.


And I'm hearing Jebus has a hand in this too.
 
2012-12-15 07:25:16 PM

The Green Intern: It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority


Yes, that is true. However, HUD could very easily carve out an exception in their regulation that precludes eviction for tenants who have a valid medical marijuana prescription. For some reason, they don't.
 
2012-12-15 07:25:21 PM
I'd empty her colostomy bag.
 
2012-12-15 07:25:40 PM

The Green Intern: It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.


Yeah, technically, but no. They made it clear their funding is HUD and they are superboned if HUD finds out they are assisting a known druggie. They are right to be worried and anal about this, they could lose funding for hundreds of people if they're found in violation.

The problem is not the locals following the rules, it is not even HUD, it is the leadership in the federal government, who knows that smoking a few joints is not that bad and yet refuses to stop the bullshiat.
 
2012-12-15 07:25:48 PM
We'll have to reschedule.
 
2012-12-15 07:26:33 PM
It wouldn't surprise me to see private landlords forbid MJ use because it's against federal law.

No, it's not an ADA case; it's not about your disability, it's about the legality of your treatment choice. Asking a landlord to permit illegal activity is not a reasonable accommodation.
 
2012-12-15 07:26:43 PM

DubtodaIll: TheJoe03: DubtodaIll: How dare the government enforce the law regardless of circumstance!

You support this?

I support the government enforcing laws as they are written therefore giving credence to those laws. If a law results in an unintended circumstance that corcumstance then provides force to rewrite or change that law. This is an unfortunate incident but as a practice I prefer laws to be executed equally to all citizens within jurisdiction of said law. It is inefficient and unjust to allow the a law to apply to some and not others.


Oh, you're a lawyer! Good job being part of the problem dude.
 
2012-12-15 07:28:56 PM

The Green Intern: It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.
It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.
It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.


Why let facts get in the way of bashing Obamacare and marijuana laws?
 
2012-12-15 07:29:06 PM

ShannonKW: One fine day, hopefully in my lifetime, the great American ban on cannabis will be lifted. I wonder what the history book will say was the cause of it.


Old white people and corporate interests.

But I repeat myself.
 
2012-12-15 07:29:18 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: I'd empty her colostomy bag.


I'd fill it...
 
2012-12-15 07:29:25 PM

Bacontastesgood: Yeah, technically, but no. They made it clear their funding is HUD and they are superboned if HUD finds out they are assisting a known druggie. They are right to be worried and anal about this, they could lose funding for hundreds of people if they're found in violation.


On top of that, they have reason to be concerned about subjecting their agency to a civil rights suit if they forgo evictions on some and not others. The minute you start treating some people differently, someone is going to say it is for illegal reasons--whether or not the claim has merit. The regulation really needs to be overhauled.
 
2012-12-15 07:29:50 PM

The Green Intern: It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.
It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.
It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.


facepalm.jpg
 
2012-12-15 07:30:05 PM

the_chief: We'll have to reschedule.


Then all the lives lost in the drug war would be in vain!
 
2012-12-15 07:30:22 PM

TheJoe03: DubtodaIll: TheJoe03: DubtodaIll: How dare the government enforce the law regardless of circumstance!

You support this?

I support the government enforcing laws as they are written therefore giving credence to those laws. If a law results in an unintended circumstance that corcumstance then provides force to rewrite or change that law. This is an unfortunate incident but as a practice I prefer laws to be executed equally to all citizens within jurisdiction of said law. It is inefficient and unjust to allow the a law to apply to some and not others.

Oh, you're a lawyer! Good job being part of the problem dude.


Problem?
 
2012-12-15 07:30:47 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Pray 4 Mojo: I'd empty her colostomy bag.

I'd fill it...


Just don't go CBTM.
 
2012-12-15 07:31:04 PM

The Green Intern: It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.
It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.
It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.


.
Just what the fark do you think her local housing authority is?
 
2012-12-15 07:32:18 PM

The Green Intern: It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.
It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.
It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.


Let me tell you how this works.

If you ignore it, or even try to regulate it on a local level, the Federal government can charge YOU, the local government official under the drug laws because you are engaging in an enterprise 'handling' drugs.

So of course, it is the local jurisdiction doing this, because if they didn't, well it would be a real shame if anything happened to your funding.
 
2012-12-15 07:32:45 PM

TheJoe03: DubtodaIll: TheJoe03: DubtodaIll: How dare the government enforce the law regardless of circumstance!

You support this?

I support the government enforcing laws as they are written therefore giving credence to those laws. If a law results in an unintended circumstance that corcumstance then provides force to rewrite or change that law. This is an unfortunate incident but as a practice I prefer laws to be executed equally to all citizens within jurisdiction of said law. It is inefficient and unjust to allow the a law to apply to some and not others.

Oh, you're a lawyer! Good job being part of the problem dude.


So you're seriously suggesting that laws should only apply to some of the people, some of the time and only in certain situations? How does that make any sense at all to you?

Not that this line of discussion makes any sense at all in the context of this article, but hey, whatever. I like tangents.
 
2012-12-15 07:32:59 PM
And then we wonder why we have people shooting up places...
 
2012-12-15 07:34:20 PM

WhyteRaven74: And then we wonder why we have people shooting up places...


This is about weed, not heroin
 
2012-12-15 07:34:28 PM

A Shambling Mound: So you're seriously suggesting that laws should only apply to some of the people, some of the time and only in certain situations?


Judges make that determination all the time, zero tolerance is always asinine.
 
2012-12-15 07:35:09 PM

loudboy: That's because it is illegal.  Why the fuss?


So is money laundering especially when it involves drug cartels.

HSBC got a profit from that.
 
2012-12-15 07:36:09 PM
So is defending bad laws in the first place just because "it's the law!".
 
2012-12-15 07:36:17 PM

david_gaithersburg: Just what the fark do you think her local housing authority is


A local housing authority is not the federal government. In most states it is a political subdivision created under that state's laws. They receive funding from HUD under an Annual Contributions Contract and they have to follow HUD regulations in running their program. However, they have a great deal of latitude in their rules and are permitted to create most of their own policies. They are not an arm of the federal government.
 
2012-12-15 07:37:26 PM
FTA ... the first sentence is a literary mess. It felt like G.W.Bush had a hand in writing it.
 
2012-12-15 07:37:44 PM

TheJoe03: A Shambling Mound: So you're seriously suggesting that laws should only apply to some of the people, some of the time and only in certain situations?

Judges make that determination all the time, zero tolerance is always asinine.


If a judge makes a ruling outside of the letter of the law that case is then possibly subject to appeal. I would wage this woman could attempt to appeal this ruling in hopes of a sympathetic judge.
 
2012-12-15 07:38:56 PM

DubtodaIll: I would wage this woman could attempt to appeal this ruling in hopes of a sympathetic judge.


Yeah.
 
2012-12-15 07:39:59 PM

david_gaithersburg: The Green Intern: It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.
It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.
It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.

.
Just what the fark do you think her local housing authority is?


Housing authorities are quasi-governmental non-profits. Their leadership is often appointed by city councils. Their funding comes from federal, state, and local grants, and from rental income. They are not part of the federal government any more than United Way is.
 
2012-12-15 07:40:22 PM
Let's see.... this woman is....

[✔]photogenic
[✔]white
[ ]rich

Nope, she didn't get all three marks. Her story will not matter one whit when it comes to decriminalizing or even rescheduling marijuana.

On the plus side, she got more than zero checkmarks, which means there's slightly [just "slightly," mind you] less chance that she spends the rest of her life in federal prison and her son gets moved between foster homes from now until his 18th birthday, at which point he'll be dumped in the street to fend for himself and be completely ineligible for any sort of federal financial assistance because he once lived under the same roof as someone who dared to inhale even the slightest amount of The Devil's Weed.
 
2012-12-15 07:41:07 PM

DubtodaIll: If a judge makes a ruling outside of the letter of the law that case is then possibly subject to appeal. I would wage this woman could attempt to appeal this ruling in hopes of a sympathetic judge.


Unlikely as the law, as stated in HUD v. Rucker, is that any drug related activity is grounds for eviction. In actuality, a judge overturning a housing authority's decision to terminate tenancy/voucher would be making a ruling outside the law. There are several cases in many states where a sympathetic trial court judge was overturned on appeal for not following the mandate set forth by HUD and the US Supreme Court.
 
2012-12-15 07:45:43 PM

loudboy: That's because it is illegal.  Why the fuss?


In today's lesson we learn the difference between "legal" and "just", with a side trip into "moral".

Although I imagine the lesson is already lost on you.
 
2012-12-15 07:49:14 PM

muck1969: FTA ... the first sentence is a literary mess. It felt like G.W.Bush had a hand in writing it.


The entire article is a sensationalist pile of garbage. Nine paragraphs about the heart-wrenching details of her accident, her home life, etc., before even mentioning the headline subject. Ms. Miller needs an editor and a few writing classes.
 
2012-12-15 07:52:35 PM

the_chief: We'll have to reschedule.


OK. Does 7:30 work for you?
 
2012-12-15 07:54:06 PM

danvon: redTiburon: Enjoy your pending Federal Obamacare, proles.

This had been a HUD regulation long, long before Obama. In fact, in 2002, the US Supreme Court held in HUD v. Rucker that any drug related activity by the tenant or their guest, whether the tenant knew or not their guest had drugs, is subject to an eviction under the HUD regulation. The court specifically said that there is no innocent tenant defense. HUD argued in favor of that strict interpretation and the court agreed.


While the Rucker decision did allow "one strike and you are out" evictions and terminations of vouchers, shortly after the decision the HUD secretary issued a circular suggesting that local agencies do not have to terminate assistance, and should use compassion on a case by case basis. Unfortunately draconian measures, as in this case, are allowed.

While I have a lot of experience arguing Rucker related cases, it is not in Colorado. Do any farkers know what state rights she might have. If medical marihuana were legal where I practice I would love to argue this case.
 
2012-12-15 07:54:42 PM
"We adopted a more stringent policy than probably other housing authorities," Reis (director of the housing authority) says, while acknowledging that it is likely time for the administrative policy on medical marijuana to be revisited.

"Weber says she's worried the hearing she has to file a request for by Dec. 19 won't be delayed while those policies are revisited."

99% of the things we worry about never happen. My money says she'll get her delay and the policy will change in time to accommodate her.
 
2012-12-15 07:56:51 PM

A Shambling Mound: So you're seriously suggesting that laws should only apply to some of the people, some of the time and only in certain situations? How does that make any sense at all to you?


Laws ALREADY only apply to some of the people, some of the time and only in certain situations.

It's why Mitt Romney can have a $100 million IRA despite that kind of account having a $6000 annual deposit limit, but you'd get arrested, jailed and have all assets seized for trying to game the system so that you can deposit $6,001 in one year into an IRA; why nobody at Customs batted an eyelid when Rush Limbaugh was caught with a bunch of Viagra on his way to a country rife with sex tourism, but you'd get locked up for trying to get a 3.1 ounce bottle of tap water past the metal detector; why cops can perform summary executions with impunity, but if you accidentally strike and kill a drunken jaywalker while committing any sort of moving violation and that drunken jaywalker was a cop, you can face the death penalty, even if the dead cop was entirely at fault for the traffic accident and you did everything in your power to avoid the accident; and why HSBC didn't even get a slap on the wrist of laundering drug money for terrorists, while you'd go to prison for even wondering out loud how you could go about engaging in questionable international financial transactions.

Some people are more equal than others.
 
2012-12-15 07:59:03 PM
It is a bizarre policy the government has. In my second job I am a part time caregiver. (Yea- as much as a troll here, I am not a totally bad person... I do have a good side.) So some of my DPs have used medical marijuana for the control of pain and symptoms. It is common for them to significantly cut the amount of pharmaceutical drugs they take and face less side effects. I see it over and over.

One of my DPs went from 20 to 8 medications, and doesn't have to take powerful pain prescriptions that makes her like a zombie. But no - the government would rather pay $2,000 a month more out of their already tight Medicaid budget... and accept more frequent emergency room visits due to problems caused by those medications - and take someone who is progressing in therapy and trying to become productive again - returning them to back less than useless blob that sleeps 18 hours a day and can't move. Some of the medications are just to stop the side effects of other medications, which on their own have side effects. Yes, medical marijuana is far from perfect and has side effects too; it is more effective than a many "legal" drugs with less harm.

What's the choice next? - put the DP in a nursing home with round the clock care (very expensive), or allow her to be somewhat independent in her own apartment with just a small number of a few-hours-per-day cargivers? With the reduction in medications and pain pills through the use of medical marijuana products - there is a path to self-sufficiency and possibly to become productive again in some way.

Locally under state law, the state department of health and welfare understands this, despite the pressure from the federal government. The state is taking a more pragmatic approach to what is in the best interest of the disabled person. Ya, in theory as a "mandatory reporter" I could be on the hook federally for allowing a patent to take certain healthcare decisions in to her own hand - I also have to take point of view of what is moral and right in this case. There is a difference between what is "Lawful" and what is "Legal." What the fed is doing may be "legal" but it is "not lawful."

/off soap box now.
 
2012-12-15 07:59:57 PM

BarkingUnicorn: "We adopted a more stringent policy than probably other housing authorities," Reis (director of the housing authority) says, while acknowledging that it is likely time for the administrative policy on medical marijuana to be revisited.

"Weber says she's worried the hearing she has to file a request for by Dec. 19 won't be delayed while those policies are revisited."

99% of the things we worry about never happen. My money says she'll get her delay and the policy will change in time to accommodate her.


But the picture (also by the "journalist" -- the mark of a quality publication)! Look at it! She's in front of a Christmas tree! Didn't you read about how she got picked up like a sack of potatoes!?

What's wrong with you? Why aren't you outraged! BE OUTRAGED, you heartless bastard!!
 
2012-12-15 08:00:01 PM

FreeLawyer: While the Rucker decision did allow "one strike and you are out" evictions and terminations of vouchers, shortly after the decision the HUD secretary issued a circular suggesting that local agencies do not have to terminate assistance, and should use compassion on a case by case basis. Unfortunately draconian measures, as in this case, are allowed.


It did. However, as you well know, that is merely a suggestion and not precedent. The state where I live doesn't give the HUD letters any consideration.
 
2012-12-15 08:00:42 PM
My legal question is how did the federal government learn that she was taking medical marijuana? I mean since the relationship between an doctor and a patient is sacrosanct they should have no knowledge of her medical treatment and even if they came across that information somehow they have to treat is as if they never saw it. see Roe v. Wade (not about abortion but about doctor patient confidentiality)
 
2012-12-15 08:05:23 PM
 
2012-12-15 08:05:48 PM

mrlewish: My legal question is how did the federal government learn that she was taking medical marijuana?


She likely openly disclosed it on a form or something. It is not uncommon for DPs to not understand that if they give full disclosure, they are more likely to hurt themselves than if they don't list out everything...
 
2012-12-15 08:07:04 PM

mrlewish: My legal question is how did the federal government learn that she was taking medical marijuana? I mean since the relationship between an doctor and a patient is sacrosanct they should have no knowledge of her medical treatment and even if they came across that information somehow they have to treat is as if they never saw it. see Roe v. Wade (not about abortion but about doctor patient confidentiality)


You see, she was rushing when she filled out her forms, and declared pot as a medical expense when calculating her income. She was rushing, even though the rest of her life was completely planned and organized. That's how. She was was in a hurry that day. If you'd take the time to run a coffee filter through this sensationalist word soup, you'd have known that.
 
2012-12-15 08:07:04 PM

danvon: FreeLawyer: While the Rucker decision did allow "one strike and you are out" evictions and terminations of vouchers, shortly after the decision the HUD secretary issued a circular suggesting that local agencies do not have to terminate assistance, and should use compassion on a case by case basis. Unfortunately draconian measures, as in this case, are allowed.

It did. However, as you well know, that is merely a suggestion and not precedent. The state where I live doesn't give the HUD letters any consideration.


Agreed. I was just point out that the policy can be set at the local level for those of us that are, fortunately, unfamiliar with HUD regulations.

There are a few legal theories where I am that might work if medical were legal. A lot would depend on the wording the housing authority used in their termination notice.
 
2012-12-15 08:10:09 PM

upndn: WTF is going on here. When did it become time to fark with all the helpless people.


Approximately 75,000 years ago. The only difference now is, we have a communications network so good we hear about it. Even when it's just a young woman in Colorado who made a truly stupid error while filling out federal forms.

I feel for her. Mostly because she clearly recognizes this current problem was entirely her fault. No, one does not mention medical marijuana on federal paperwork. Maybe soon, but not this year.
 
2012-12-15 08:13:57 PM
If some of you good folks can stop SCREAMING AT OBAMA TO BAN GUNS for a moment, it might not be a bad idea to tell him, politely, to call off the farking DOGS when in comes to MMJ.

Mmmmkay?

Thanks
 
2012-12-15 08:18:23 PM

Tommy Moo: fusillade762: Wow, the "friend" she was riding with sounds like a piece of work. Hope he's currently getting a regular ass pounding in prison.

This. Why don't we talk more about this shiatdick.


Goddammit, now I have to rtfa.
 
2012-12-15 08:18:23 PM

Crunch61: It's time to amend repeal the Controlled Substances Act


FTFY
 
2012-12-15 08:19:45 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: BarkingUnicorn: "We adopted a more stringent policy than probably other housing authorities," Reis (director of the housing authority) says, while acknowledging that it is likely time for the administrative policy on medical marijuana to be revisited.

"Weber says she's worried the hearing she has to file a request for by Dec. 19 won't be delayed while those policies are revisited."

99% of the things we worry about never happen. My money says she'll get her delay and the policy will change in time to accommodate her.

But the picture (also by the "journalist" -- the mark of a quality publication)! Look at it! She's in front of a Christmas tree! Didn't you read about how she got picked up like a sack of potatoes!?

What's wrong with you? Why aren't you outraged! BE OUTRAGED, you heartless bastard!!


Outrage is is for pessimists.
 
2012-12-15 08:24:07 PM

AbbeySomeone: Tommy Moo: fusillade762: Wow, the "friend" she was riding with sounds like a piece of work. Hope he's currently getting a regular ass pounding in prison.

This. Why don't we talk more about this shiatdick.

Goddammit, now I have to rtfa.


He spent three years in jail, hasn't paid any restitution.
 
2012-12-15 08:29:32 PM
She is partaking in a prescribed medication that is legal in that state. Start with the lawsuits and don't stop. She is pretty and this is well publicized; this will get her some help.
Subsidized housing always has the lowest of scrunge people tht are f*cked up on pain meds, generic smokes and a variety of ther sh*t. Her situation is unique. I may kick her a few bucks.
 
2012-12-15 08:33:35 PM

AbbeySomeone: She is partaking in a prescribed medication that is legal in that state. Start with the lawsuits and don't stop. She is pretty and this is well publicized; this will get her some help.
Subsidized housing always has the lowest of scrunge people tht are f*cked up on pain meds, generic smokes and a variety of ther sh*t. Her situation is unique. I may kick her a few bucks.


We settled this in 1865. Federal law always trumps state law. Petitioning the Fed. government for an exclusion will go over better than any number of lawsuits.
 
2012-12-15 08:34:09 PM

Weaver95: crush the weak, smash the sick down and make them pay for needing help! it's what Jesus would have wanted.


Ummmm.... it's a Democrat administration..... (Thanks, Obama. This is almost as good as your not demanding Congress extend Federal UI extensions. 45,000,000 out of work people thank you.)
 
2012-12-15 08:38:56 PM
She should have put her fate in the hands of God rather than sin with marijuana.
 
2012-12-15 08:42:15 PM
I want to know where the hell the guy is who knocked up a chick in a wheelchair.....and then left her with $70 child support payments.

That's the lowest possible shoplifting of pussy I've ever seen.
 
2012-12-15 08:42:42 PM

upndn: WTF is going on here. When did it become time to fark with all the helpless people.


Apparently it's after the election. Obama doesn't have to pretend to give a shiat anymore. And there's not a farking thing you can do about it, suckers. (And I include myself as one of the suckers.)
 
2012-12-15 08:44:08 PM

Tommy Moo: fusillade762: Wow, the "friend" she was riding with sounds like a piece of work. Hope he's currently getting a regular ass pounding in prison.

This. Why don't we talk more about this shiatdick.


/Don't worry, i got this....ahem...

You Sir, are a farking piece of shiat. Not only did you drive drunk, and roll the vehicle over with a passenger inside, you farking MOVED her when she told you her neck was broken, and begged you to leave her alone and call an ambulance, who have the proper equipment to immobilize her neck, possibly saving her ability to walk, and use her arms. But no, despite her pleas, you throw her over your shoulder like a sack of potatoes, severing her spinal cord, and quadding her. Then she begged you to take her to the hospital, and still you refuse in your drunken desire to save yourself from arrest, and call her mom. She was going to be a doctor, and a valuable asset to any community she chose to serve, and you have ruined her life, and her chances at helping others. You did this out of a desire to save your own ass from prison for driving drunk. You deprived her not only of a normal and productive life, but have risked all the lives she could have potentially saved by becoming a practicing physician. Whereas you, Sir, are a worthless piece of offal, a maggot, a stain upon the fabric of life, with no intrinsic value to polite society at all. You are, rather, a detriment. I hope you get ass raped in prison with a iron cot leg every night...so hard and so deep your lower intestine pops out of your mouth, and dangles to your belly button like a gruesome party favor. Die...do it now.
 
2012-12-15 08:46:30 PM

DubtodaIll: How dare the government enforce the law regardless of circumstance!


Well, they don't enforce it as regards to zillions of Mexicans streaming across the border. So why the Zero Tolerance on pot use?

/Pot never stole anyone's job by working under the table for less than minimum wage.
//Pot never drove drunk with no license, no insurance, and a La Raza attitude.
///Pot never refused to learn English.
 
2012-12-15 08:47:37 PM

danvon: redTiburon: Enjoy your pending Federal Obamacare, proles.

This had been a HUD regulation long, long before Obama. In fact, in 2002, the US Supreme Court held in HUD v. Rucker that any drug related activity by the tenant or their guest, whether the tenant knew or not their guest had drugs, is subject to an eviction under the HUD regulation. The court specifically said that there is no innocent tenant defense. HUD argued in favor of that strict interpretation and the court agreed. Unanimously. In 2002. HUD is a cabinet position under the executive branch.

Damn, who in the hell was president in 2002?


SO WHY HASN'T OBAMA FIXED IT? Hope and change, remember?
 
2012-12-15 08:48:34 PM

DubtodaIll: TheJoe03: DubtodaIll: How dare the government enforce the law regardless of circumstance!

You support this?

I support the government enforcing laws as they are written therefore giving credence to those laws. If a law results in an unintended circumstance that corcumstance then provides force to rewrite or change that law. This is an unfortunate incident but as a practice I prefer laws to be executed equally to all citizens within jurisdiction of said law. It is inefficient and unjust to allow the a law to apply to some and not others.


Alignment: Lawful Evil
 
2012-12-15 08:49:32 PM

DubtodaIll: TheJoe03: DubtodaIll: How dare the government enforce the law regardless of circumstance!

You support this?

I support the government enforcing laws as they are written therefore giving credence to those laws. If a law results in an unintended circumstance that corcumstance then provides force to rewrite or change that law. This is an unfortunate incident but as a practice I prefer laws to be executed equally to all citizens within jurisdiction of said law. It is inefficient and unjust to allow the a law to apply to some and not others.


So you agree that the federal government should be rigorously guarding our borders to prevent illegal immigration? (No waffling weasle-words now.)
 
2012-12-15 08:50:28 PM

kombat_unit: The Green Intern: It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.
It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.
It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.

And I'm hearing Jebus has a hand in this too.


You're sounding like a broken record. Please get a new meme to mindlessly babble.
 
2012-12-15 08:51:33 PM

Bacontastesgood: The Green Intern: It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.

Yeah, technically, but no. They made it clear their funding is HUD and they are superboned if HUD finds out they are assisting a known druggie. They are right to be worried and anal about this, they could lose funding for hundreds of people if they're found in violation.

The problem is not the locals following the rules, it is not even HUD, it is the leadership in the federal government, who knows that smoking a few joints is not that bad and yet refuses to stop the bullshiat.


Hope and change? Whar? Whar?
 
2012-12-15 08:53:57 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I thought Lord Black was going to legalize weed and provide healthcare for everyone. This is the opposite of that!


It's not the federal government. It's the local housing authority. Which has the option to overlook federal laws at its discretion, and chose not to because they are dicks.
 
2012-12-15 08:54:06 PM
Welcome to Obamacare Death Panels
 
2012-12-15 08:54:17 PM
There are other drugs to take care of pain.
 
2012-12-15 08:55:52 PM

King Something: A Shambling Mound: So you're seriously suggesting that laws should only apply to some of the people, some of the time and only in certain situations? How does that make any sense at all to you?

Laws ALREADY only apply to some of the people, some of the time and only in certain situations.

It's why Mitt Romney can have a $100 million IRA despite that kind of account having a $6000 annual deposit limit, but you'd get arrested, jailed and have all assets seized for trying to game the system so that you can deposit $6,001 in one year into an IRA; why nobody at Customs batted an eyelid when Rush Limbaugh was caught with a bunch of Viagra on his way to a country rife with sex tourism, but you'd get locked up for trying to get a 3.1 ounce bottle of tap water past the metal detector; why cops can perform summary executions with impunity, but if you accidentally strike and kill a drunken jaywalker while committing any sort of moving violation and that drunken jaywalker was a cop, you can face the death penalty, even if the dead cop was entirely at fault for the traffic accident and you did everything in your power to avoid the accident; and why HSBC didn't even get a slap on the wrist of laundering drug money for terrorists, while you'd go to prison for even wondering out loud how you could go about engaging in questionable international financial transactions.

Some people are more equal than others.


So much this.
 
2012-12-15 08:57:49 PM

AbbeySomeone: She is partaking in a prescribed medication that is legal in that state. Start with the lawsuits and don't stop. She is pretty and this is well publicized; this will get her some help.
Subsidized housing always has the lowest of scrunge people tht are f*cked up on pain meds, generic smokes and a variety of ther sh*t. Her situation is unique. I may kick her a few bucks.


Well, then isn't it a kindness to kick this pretty woman and her adorable son out of such a hellish place?
 
2012-12-15 08:58:15 PM

The Green Intern: It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.
It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.
It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.


You know, you should credit me if you're going to repost.
 
2012-12-15 08:59:08 PM
That whole article is hosed, the worst part is "if she maded $.25 less on her SS payments she could get SS insurance" So for what accounts to less than 7dollars a year she is denied SS insurance. She needs a waiver.
 
2012-12-15 09:00:47 PM
Isn't the White House federal housing and didn't The Big O toke-up?
 
2012-12-15 09:00:58 PM

MrBentor: It is a bizarre policy the government has. In my second job I am a part time caregiver. (Yea- as much as a troll here, I am not a totally bad person... I do have a good side.) So some of my DPs have used medical marijuana for the control of pain and symptoms. It is common for them to significantly cut the amount of pharmaceutical drugs they take and face less side effects. I see it over and over.

One of my DPs went from 20 to 8 medications, and doesn't have to take powerful pain prescriptions that makes her like a zombie. But no - the government would rather pay $2,000 a month more out of their already tight Medicaid budget... and accept more frequent emergency room visits due to problems caused by those medications - and take someone who is progressing in therapy and trying to become productive again - returning them to back less than useless blob that sleeps 18 hours a day and can't move. Some of the medications are just to stop the side effects of other medications, which on their own have side effects. Yes, medical marijuana is far from perfect and has side effects too; it is more effective than a many "legal" drugs with less harm.

What's the choice next? - put the DP in a nursing home with round the clock care (very expensive), or allow her to be somewhat independent in her own apartment with just a small number of a few-hours-per-day cargivers? With the reduction in medications and pain pills through the use of medical marijuana products - there is a path to self-sufficiency and possibly to become productive again in some way.

Locally under state law, the state department of health and welfare understands this, despite the pressure from the federal government. The state is taking a more pragmatic approach to what is in the best interest of the disabled person. Ya, in theory as a "mandatory reporter" I could be on the hook federally for allowing a patent to take certain healthcare decisions in to her own hand - I also have to take point of view of what is moral and right in this case. There is a difference between what is "Lawful" and what is "Legal." What the fed is doing may be "legal" but it is "not lawful."


The real reason for all the bullshiat? All of the expensive and stupid alternatives to pot that you mention are somebody's bureaucratic empire. Fewer drugs? Lower costs for care? My God, man, there are careers at stake here!
 
2012-12-15 09:14:57 PM
Stupid rules are still rules until they're changed.
 
2012-12-15 09:15:31 PM
The more I read the more I lose any sympathy I might have had for her.

First: this is all she is losing " housing voucher", she rents from her aunt and uncle, it is not like they will be tossing her out!

Second: the voucher is from the feds, the state and county and city can give her anything they want, the housing program is federally funded but locally administered and she can not participate in it any longer, but she can partake of any other program not funded by the feds.

Third: renting from relatives, refurbishing the entire property, and saving the "$93 in support for him that she receives each month", to buy him a car no less in 15(?) years! Who feeds and clothes this child?

Finally: "The renewal form asked for her medical expenses, and she gave it to them, including the receipts she could find for medical marijuana after getting a medical marijuana certification eight months ago. She says it helps with her pain." She told on herself but I bet she gets so much help from her "landlords" that it should be counted as income under HUD rules and should be reported to the IRS( it is doubtful any taxes would ever result from this but it is the law and it's your tax money she is getting)
She said ""I didn't know it was wrong for me to turn in my medical [marijuana] expenses when they asked me to - because they tell you not to be fraudulent," Weber says.", it's also fraudulent to accept all those things folks give her like helping with child care, food, taxi service, all those little things that add up to oh, I don't know, maybe $93.00 a month support!! 

Oops, I forgot all about her child's father? Who is he? Does he have any money? The government does not like to pay for stuff if you have any resources that can be used! Where does she get her money from? What ever happened to the guy who was driving? So many questions!?
 
2012-12-15 09:16:10 PM

Dauvan: That whole article is hosed, the worst part is "if she maded $.25 less on her SS payments she could get SS insurance" So for what accounts to less than 7dollars a year she is denied SS insurance. She needs a waiver.


I think they meant Supplemental Security Income or Medicaid. Since she didn't have a lengthy work history, she could have gotten SSI, which is normally reserved for physically or mentally disabled people from birth, like the blind or extremely retarded. SSI will usually come with provisions for Medicaid. But she worked long enough to make her require SSD. She qualified for SSD, but to qualify for Medicaid you have to meet a poverty requirement. Her SSD payments are probably preventing her from getting Medicaid.
 
2012-12-15 09:22:08 PM

gadian: We settled this in 1865. Federal law always trumps state law. Petitioning the Fed. government for an exclusion will go over better than any number of lawsuits.


Prigg v. Pennsylvania, 41 U.S. 539 (1842). In 1865 we only settled what a State can do about it if they don't like it.
 
2012-12-15 09:25:05 PM

just_another_asshole/jaa: Oops, I forgot all about her child's father? Who is he? Does he have any money? The government does not like to pay for stuff if you have any resources that can be used! Where does she get her money from? What ever happened to the guy who was driving? So many questions!?


And the Christmas tree! There's a Christmas tree!

/pic of Journalist:

i262.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-15 09:30:35 PM
Warlordtrooper: loudboy

Cyclometh: loudboy

Have you guys considered ignoring such a blatant troll?
 
2012-12-15 09:33:11 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: Tommy Moo: fusillade762: Wow, the "friend" she was riding with sounds like a piece of work. Hope he's currently getting a regular ass pounding in prison.

This. Why don't we talk more about this shiatdick.

/Don't worry, i got this....ahem...

You Sir, are a farking piece of shiat. Not only did you drive drunk, and roll the vehicle over with a passenger inside, you farking MOVED her when she told you her neck was broken, and begged you to leave her alone and call an ambulance, who have the proper equipment to immobilize her neck, possibly saving her ability to walk, and use her arms. But no, despite her pleas, you throw her over your shoulder like a sack of potatoes, severing her spinal cord, and quadding her. Then she begged you to take her to the hospital, and still you refuse in your drunken desire to save yourself from arrest, and call her mom. She was going to be a doctor, and a valuable asset to any community she chose to serve, and you have ruined her life, and her chances at helping others. You did this out of a desire to save your own ass from prison for driving drunk. You deprived her not only of a normal and productive life, but have risked all the lives she could have potentially saved by becoming a practicing physician. Whereas you, Sir, are a worthless piece of offal, a maggot, a stain upon the fabric of life, with no intrinsic value to polite society at all. You are, rather, a detriment. I hope you get ass raped in prison with a iron cot leg every night...so hard and so deep your lower intestine pops out of your mouth, and dangles to your belly button like a gruesome party favor. Die...do it now.


Well... That... That will do it. Yes, thank you.
 
2012-12-15 09:40:12 PM

DubtodaIll: It is inefficient and unjust to allow the a law to apply to some and not others.


It would be so inefficient and unjust for this housing complex to not throw a nearly-completely-paralyzed woman and her three-year-old son out of their home.
 
2012-12-15 09:41:17 PM

The Green Intern: It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.
It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.
It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.


Her local housing authority criminalized the possession of a plant? They sound pretty powerful, for a local housing authority.
 
2012-12-15 09:42:42 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: Tommy Moo: fusillade762: Wow, the "friend" she was riding with sounds like a piece of work. Hope he's currently getting a regular ass pounding in prison.

This. Why don't we talk more about this shiatdick.

/Don't worry, i got this....ahem...

You Sir, are a farking piece of shiat. Not only did you drive drunk, and roll the vehicle over with a passenger inside, you farking MOVED her when she told you her neck was broken, and begged you to leave her alone and call an ambulance, who have the proper equipment to immobilize her neck, possibly saving her ability to walk, and use her arms. But no, despite her pleas, you throw her over your shoulder like a sack of potatoes, severing her spinal cord, and quadding her. Then she begged you to take her to the hospital, and still you refuse in your drunken desire to save yourself from arrest, and call her mom. She was going to be a doctor, and a valuable asset to any community she chose to serve, and you have ruined her life, and her chances at helping others. You did this out of a desire to save your own ass from prison for driving drunk. You deprived her not only of a normal and productive life, but have risked all the lives she could have potentially saved by becoming a practicing physician. Whereas you, Sir, are a worthless piece of offal, a maggot, a stain upon the fabric of life, with no intrinsic value to polite society at all. You are, rather, a detriment. I hope you get ass raped in prison with a iron cot leg every night...so hard and so deep your lower intestine pops out of your mouth, and dangles to your belly button like a gruesome party favor. Die...do it now.

 

www.reactionface.info
 
2012-12-15 10:02:21 PM
The first decree is to legalize marijuana.
The tyranny and the bullshiat's gone on too long.
You old farkin' shrivs who blocked it's legalization,
you're banished from the land!
 
2012-12-15 10:14:08 PM

Tommy Moo: Bit'O'Gristle: Tommy Moo: fusillade762: Wow, the "friend" she was riding with sounds like a piece of work. Hope he's currently getting a regular ass pounding in prison.

This. Why don't we talk more about this shiatdick.

/Don't worry, i got this....ahem...

You Sir, are a farking piece of shiat. Not only did you drive drunk, and roll the vehicle over with a passenger inside, you farking MOVED her when she told you her neck was broken, and begged you to leave her alone and call an ambulance, who have the proper equipment to immobilize her neck, possibly saving her ability to walk, and use her arms. But no, despite her pleas, you throw her over your shoulder like a sack of potatoes, severing her spinal cord, and quadding her. Then she begged you to take her to the hospital, and still you refuse in your drunken desire to save yourself from arrest, and call her mom. She was going to be a doctor, and a valuable asset to any community she chose to serve, and you have ruined her life, and her chances at helping others. You did this out of a desire to save your own ass from prison for driving drunk. You deprived her not only of a normal and productive life, but have risked all the lives she could have potentially saved by becoming a practicing physician. Whereas you, Sir, are a worthless piece of offal, a maggot, a stain upon the fabric of life, with no intrinsic value to polite society at all. You are, rather, a detriment. I hope you get ass raped in prison with a iron cot leg every night...so hard and so deep your lower intestine pops out of your mouth, and dangles to your belly button like a gruesome party favor. Die...do it now.

Well... That... That will do it. Yes, thank you.


/I live to serve...takes a deep bow.
 
2012-12-15 10:19:40 PM
loudboy


Smartest
Funniest

2012-12-15 07:07:29 PM

That's because it is illegal. Why the fuss?



Ain't illegal in Colorado, chotz.
 
2012-12-15 10:20:47 PM
If she is a quadriplegic, why does she need marijuana for pain? Or am I not understanding paralysis?
Don't get me wrong I think that what is happening to her sucks but??
 
2012-12-15 10:25:04 PM

Bonzo_1116: I want to know where the hell the guy is who knocked up a chick in a wheelchair.....and then left her with $70 child support payments.

That's the lowest possible shoplifting of pussy I've ever seen.


Yeah I couldn't figure that one out either, unless she actually get no support from the father, and that $93/mo it said she got for him is actually part of the Disability payments. In order for her to only get $93 a month from the father while she's getting something like $750 a month in disability, he must have income of $500 a month or less.
 
2012-12-15 10:28:22 PM
It all starts at the top.

Obama could end all of this with a stroke of a pen, by simply directing the DEA to de-classify marijuana.

Boom. Everyone's troubles are gone.

It's so simple, yet he won't do it. I can only gather that he's just not brave enough.
 
2012-12-15 10:34:18 PM
I have a question I've never thought to ask before: I've never done weed (long story, etc.), but I've never heard users rant about how it 'dulls pain'. Lots of lovely descriptions of the things it does, but dulled pain isn't ever on that list.

Until someone has 'chronic' pain.

Does it actually do shiat to pain, chronic or otherwise? Because you never see a pot head stab himself in the nads and go 'sweet dude'.
 
2012-12-15 10:56:01 PM

lenfromak: Evil. Pure evil.


My friend's five year old brother threatened to rat on his marijuana using MS afflicted dad. The brother now works for a Republican think tank.

/sigh
 
2012-12-15 11:05:20 PM

AndreMA: Crunch61: It's time to amend repeal the Controlled Substances Act

FTFY



Just recognize it for the unconstitutional piece of shiat that it is, and be done with it.

And while you're at it, you can toss out 99% of other federal government acts and agencies that are equally unconstitutional.

If you find some that are worth saving, PROPERLY amend the farking constitution and legalize them. 

If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.

Right?
 
2012-12-15 11:05:51 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: lenfromak: Evil. Pure evil.

My friend's five year old brother threatened to rat on his marijuana using MS afflicted dad. The brother now works for a Republican think tank.

/sigh


I always suspected that Republican think tanks were run by five year-olds.
 
2012-12-15 11:08:59 PM

The Green Intern: It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.
It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.
It's actually not the federal government, it's her local housing authority.


Weed is legal under Colorado law. The FEDS are the problem
Weed is legal under Colorado law. The FEDS are the problem
Weed is legal under Colorado law. The FEDS are the problem



But u go head N pass de buck, mmmmkkay?
 
2012-12-15 11:15:00 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: lenfromak: Evil. Pure evil.

My friend's five year old brother threatened to rat on his marijuana using MS afflicted dad. The brother now works for a Republican think tank.

/sigh


Republican think tanks employ five-year-olds? That explains a few things...
 
2012-12-15 11:39:31 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: DubtodaIll: TheJoe03: DubtodaIll: How dare the government enforce the law regardless of circumstance!

You support this?

I support the government enforcing laws as they are written therefore giving credence to those laws. If a law results in an unintended circumstance that corcumstance then provides force to rewrite or change that law. This is an unfortunate incident but as a practice I prefer laws to be executed equally to all citizens within jurisdiction of said law. It is inefficient and unjust to allow the a law to apply to some and not others.

So you agree that the federal government should be rigorously guarding our borders to prevent illegal immigration? (No waffling weasle-words now.)


Absolutely. I don't particularly agree with a good deal of government activities but I'm one voice and one vote. The only way for laws to be taken seriously is if they are enforced seriously. Lack of discipline in governmental execution has allowed for rampant corruption, waste and fraud. Due to these factors we arrive at where we are today. With such allowed incompetence we get laws that are not based on logic and understanding but laws such as we are ruled under at present. The federal government is not and should not be your buddy and you should not receive special treatment simply because you are sympathetic. However, as I previously stated public outcry over the various results of the laws can change those laws. What should the government be doing other than applying the laws that are written to direct the operation of the government?
 
2012-12-15 11:43:38 PM

loudboy: That's because it is illegal.  Why the fuss?


This is FARK. The legality of any particular action is a minor technicality. All that matters is whether or not FARKers agree with the law. If they do, then a story like this gets a "meh." If they don't then pointing it out makes you a complete fascist/authoritarian asshole. As an added bonus layer of complexity, if they like the person involved, then said law (whether they like it or not) should be selectively enforced such that the person doesn't have to suffer the consequences of having violated it.
 
2012-12-16 12:16:56 AM
I pray that there is at least one attorney in her area that will do some pro bono work for her.


Medical marijuana helped to reduce this woman's Oxycontin usage. That is amazing! Oxycontin is a very serious and very dangerous drug. I used to take this medication, in high doses, for Cluster headaches, Migraines and Trigeminal Neuralgia. The medication turned me into a human paperweight. My husband went out of his mind trying to deal with me drugged up all the time. But it was the only way to keep me from killing myself from the pain. Eventually, I found doctors who had alternatives to Oxycontin. The alternatives worked and I got to be a human being instead of a human paperweight. The alternatives included a treatment that totally eliminated my need for Oxycontin as well.
 
2012-12-16 12:34:31 AM

kroonermanblack: I have a question I've never thought to ask before: I've never done weed (long story, etc.), but I've never heard users rant about how it 'dulls pain'. Lots of lovely descriptions of the things it does, but dulled pain isn't ever on that list.

Until someone has 'chronic' pain.

Does it actually do shiat to pain, chronic or otherwise? Because you never see a pot head stab himself in the nads and go 'sweet dude'.


Oh gods yes, it dulls pain. It dulls it in a way that the opioids never manage. You aren't nauseous and taking more drugs to counter the side effects of it. In fact, hello appetite. I would kill (ok not literally) for oil production of it here so I could get a measured amount without smoking - cooking is too variable, and I don't want to be out of my gourd. It's an amazing drug but I can't use much as I need to work and, despite its legality here (on the spot fine for possession of reasonable amount for home use), getting caught would potentially ruin the one job I have found that accepts a very disabled woman in chronic pain. And is a joy to work in. I have to smoke it, and I have asthma, so that causes issues. But, oh, on bad times at home, what a relief to feel almost normal again...
 
2012-12-16 12:41:34 AM

Weaver95: crush the weak, smash the sick down and make them pay for needing help! it's what Jesus would have wanted.


I got as far as:
He'd said he was going to take her on the ride of her life, and refused to hand over the keys to the car, let her out at her house or even buckle his seatbelt. She buckled it for him.
and I was done.
While it SUCKS that she is crippled, she was also about as dumb as humanly possible.
Yup, we have all done retard things when we were young, but ...
What part of dont drink and drive is confusing?

meh whatever

/on the other hand, can we farking jsut legalize all drugs already?? for the love of FSM
 
2012-12-16 01:22:22 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: Tommy Moo: fusillade762: Wow, the "friend" she was riding with sounds like a piece of work. Hope he's currently getting a regular ass pounding in prison.

This. Why don't we talk more about this shiatdick.

/Don't worry, i got this....ahem...

You Sir, are a farking piece of shiat. Not only did you drive drunk, and roll the vehicle over with a passenger inside, you farking MOVED her when she told you her neck was broken, and begged you to leave her alone and call an ambulance, who have the proper equipment to immobilize her neck, possibly saving her ability to walk, and use her arms. But no, despite her pleas, you throw her over your shoulder like a sack of potatoes, severing her spinal cord, and quadding her. Then she begged you to take her to the hospital, and still you refuse in your drunken desire to save yourself from arrest, and call her mom. She was going to be a doctor, and a valuable asset to any community she chose to serve, and you have ruined her life, and her chances at helping others. You did this out of a desire to save your own ass from prison for driving drunk. You deprived her not only of a normal and productive life, but have risked all the lives she could have potentially saved by becoming a practicing physician. Whereas you, Sir, are a worthless piece of offal, a maggot, a stain upon the fabric of life, with no intrinsic value to polite society at all. You are, rather, a detriment. I hope you get ass raped in prison with a iron cot leg every night...so hard and so deep your lower intestine pops out of your mouth, and dangles to your belly button like a gruesome party favor. Die...do it now.


That was so beautiful. I am moved to tears.That. . ladies and gentlemen. . is some farking damn fine writing. Thank you . .for expressing for me what I could not myself.

If you, sir, are ever in Cookeville, TN, show a print out of this to me and you get a free BJ and steak dinner
 
2012-12-16 01:30:11 AM

Cataholic: If they don't then pointing it out makes you a complete fascist/authoritarian asshole.


If you think marijuana should be illegal then you ARE an fascist/authoritarian asshole, deal with it dude.

/people like you were the same ones that defended all the shiatty authoritarian laws in the past simply because "it's the law".
 
2012-12-16 01:55:46 AM
Q: On a doorstep?

/A: Matt
//I'm helping!
 
2012-12-16 02:04:21 AM
Federal government cannot even balance its own budget. Why do people think it is so smart?
 
2012-12-16 02:45:50 AM

DubtodaIll: How dare the government enforce the law regardless of circumstance!

 
2012-12-16 02:47:12 AM

bratface: If she is a quadriplegic, why does she need marijuana for pain? Or am I not understanding paralysis?
Don't get me wrong I think that what is happening to her sucks but??


To feel pain in your finger, millions of nerve cells pass the pain message from one to the next, in an unbroken chain from your finger to your brain. One nerve cell fires, and that stimulates the next one in the chain to fire, and so on.

Injured nerves often "leak", firing without being told to. When this happens with pain nerves, it causes pain. It's called neuropathic pain, or "phantom pain", because it's a false signal not created by a pain sensor. But believe me, it feels real to your brain.

It's practically universal among amputees and people with major spinal injuries. And pretty common among people like me who've been in less traumatic accidents.
 
2012-12-16 02:59:06 AM

Shakespeare's Sister: Bit'O'Gristle: Tommy Moo: fusillade762: Wow, the "friend" she was riding with sounds like a piece of work. Hope he's currently getting a regular ass pounding in prison.

This. Why don't we talk more about this shiatdick.

/Don't worry, i got this....ahem...

You Sir, are a farking piece of shiat. Not only did you drive drunk, and roll the vehicle over with a passenger inside, you farking MOVED her when she told you her neck was broken, and begged you to leave her alone and call an ambulance, who have the proper equipment to immobilize her neck, possibly saving her ability to walk, and use her arms. But no, despite her pleas, you throw her over your shoulder like a sack of potatoes, severing her spinal cord, and quadding her. Then she begged you to take her to the hospital, and still you refuse in your drunken desire to save yourself from arrest, and call her mom. She was going to be a doctor, and a valuable asset to any community she chose to serve, and you have ruined her life, and her chances at helping others. You did this out of a desire to save your own ass from prison for driving drunk. You deprived her not only of a normal and productive life, but have risked all the lives she could have potentially saved by becoming a practicing physician. Whereas you, Sir, are a worthless piece of offal, a maggot, a stain upon the fabric of life, with no intrinsic value to polite society at all. You are, rather, a detriment. I hope you get ass raped in prison with a iron cot leg every night...so hard and so deep your lower intestine pops out of your mouth, and dangles to your belly button like a gruesome party favor. Die...do it now.

That was so beautiful. I am moved to tears.That. . ladies and gentlemen. . is some farking damn fine writing. Thank you . .for expressing for me what I could not myself.

If you, sir, are ever in Cookeville, TN, show a print out of this to me and you get a free BJ and steak dinner


Hey, can I get in on this? I'll settle for a handy and a burger...
 
2012-12-16 04:04:46 AM
That woman has very poor decision-making skills. It is very difficult for me to sympathize with her.
 
2012-12-16 04:56:21 AM
When you live in your daddy's house, your daddy makes the rules, and if you don't follow them, you GTFO.

When you live in the federal govt's house, you end up living by their rules. Not just things like illegal drugs, but also rules about personal medical information and treatment. Your life is being managed by the gubmint. Welcome to reality.
 
2012-12-16 06:36:34 AM

Crunch61: It's time to amend the Controlled Substances Act


Or, repeal it entirely. It certainly doesn't reinforce the idea of liberty, does it?

Illegal drugs are essential for the corporate prison complex. It's a way to provide cheap labor to large corporations.

If you can get your hands on it, this movie offers an excellent explanation. Link
 
2012-12-16 09:15:55 AM

Beowoolfie: bratface: If she is a quadriplegic, why does she need marijuana for pain? Or am I not understanding paralysis?
Don't get me wrong I think that what is happening to her sucks but??

To feel pain in your finger, millions of nerve cells pass the pain message from one to the next, in an unbroken chain from your finger to your brain. One nerve cell fires, and that stimulates the next one in the chain to fire, and so on.

Injured nerves often "leak", firing without being told to. When this happens with pain nerves, it causes pain. It's called neuropathic pain, or "phantom pain", because it's a false signal not created by a pain sensor. But believe me, it feels real to your brain.

It's practically universal among amputees and people with major spinal injuries. And pretty common among people like me who've been in less traumatic accidents.


Explaining to the young and healthy is about like trying to explain what marijuana really is and how marijuana really works in the face of the fearmongering derp. Paradigms are a biatch.
 
2012-12-16 11:50:58 AM

fusillade762: Shakespeare's Sister: Bit'O'Gristle: Tommy Moo: fusillade762: Wow, the "friend" she was riding with sounds like a piece of work. Hope he's currently getting a regular ass pounding in prison.

This. Why don't we talk more about this shiatdick.

/Don't worry, i got this....ahem...

You Sir, are a farking piece of shiat. Not only did you drive drunk, and roll the vehicle over with a passenger inside, you farking MOVED her when she told you her neck was broken, and begged you to leave her alone and call an ambulance, who have the proper equipment to immobilize her neck, possibly saving her ability to walk, and use her arms. But no, despite her pleas, you throw her over your shoulder like a sack of potatoes, severing her spinal cord, and quadding her. Then she begged you to take her to the hospital, and still you refuse in your drunken desire to save yourself from arrest, and call her mom. She was going to be a doctor, and a valuable asset to any community she chose to serve, and you have ruined her life, and her chances at helping others. You did this out of a desire to save your own ass from prison for driving drunk. You deprived her not only of a normal and productive life, but have risked all the lives she could have potentially saved by becoming a practicing physician. Whereas you, Sir, are a worthless piece of offal, a maggot, a stain upon the fabric of life, with no intrinsic value to polite society at all. You are, rather, a detriment. I hope you get ass raped in prison with a iron cot leg every night...so hard and so deep your lower intestine pops out of your mouth, and dangles to your belly button like a gruesome party favor. Die...do it now.

That was so beautiful. I am moved to tears.That. . ladies and gentlemen. . is some farking damn fine writing. Thank you . .for expressing for me what I could not myself.

If you, sir, are ever in Cookeville, TN, show a print out of this to me and you get a free BJ and steak dinner

Hey, can I get in on this? I'll set ...


If you agree. . .you get the BJ and steak, too.
 
2012-12-16 12:20:13 PM

Beowoolfie: bratface: If she is a quadriplegic, why does she need marijuana for pain? Or am I not understanding paralysis?
Don't get me wrong I think that what is happening to her sucks but??

To feel pain in your finger, millions of nerve cells pass the pain message from one to the next, in an unbroken chain from your finger to your brain. One nerve cell fires, and that stimulates the next one in the chain to fire, and so on.

Injured nerves often "leak", firing without being told to. When this happens with pain nerves, it causes pain. It's called neuropathic pain, or "phantom pain", because it's a false signal not created by a pain sensor. But believe me, it feels real to your brain.

It's practically universal among amputees and people with major spinal injuries. And pretty common among people like me who've been in less traumatic accidents.


Yes I know about 'phantom pain', but I did not know it affected people with paralysis. Thanks for the info.

I know about constant pain, I had my hand crushed 20 years ago today. Have had about 16 surgeries so far and it still hurts everyday!
 
2012-12-16 01:55:45 PM

Shakespeare's Sister: Bit'O'Gristle: Tommy Moo: fusillade762: Wow, the "friend" she was riding with sounds like a piece of work. Hope he's currently getting a regular ass pounding in prison.

This. Why don't we talk more about this shiatdick.

/Don't worry, i got this....ahem...

You Sir, are a farking piece of shiat. Not only did you drive drunk, and roll the vehicle over with a passenger inside, you farking MOVED her when she told you her neck was broken, and begged you to leave her alone and call an ambulance, who have the proper equipment to immobilize her neck, possibly saving her ability to walk, and use her arms. But no, despite her pleas, you throw her over your shoulder like a sack of potatoes, severing her spinal cord, and quadding her. Then she begged you to take her to the hospital, and still you refuse in your drunken desire to save yourself from arrest, and call her mom. She was going to be a doctor, and a valuable asset to any community she chose to serve, and you have ruined her life, and her chances at helping others. You did this out of a desire to save your own ass from prison for driving drunk. You deprived her not only of a normal and productive life, but have risked all the lives she could have potentially saved by becoming a practicing physician. Whereas you, Sir, are a worthless piece of offal, a maggot, a stain upon the fabric of life, with no intrinsic value to polite society at all. You are, rather, a detriment. I hope you get ass raped in prison with a iron cot leg every night...so hard and so deep your lower intestine pops out of your mouth, and dangles to your belly button like a gruesome party favor. Die...do it now.

That was so beautiful. I am moved to tears.That. . ladies and gentlemen. . is some farking damn fine writing. Thank you . .for expressing for me what I could not myself.

If you, sir, are ever in Cookeville, TN, show a print out of this to me and you get a free BJ and steak dinner


/Yay...i love steaks...and bj's too. If i write another one just as good, can we do the anal you so dearly love? Questioning minds want to know. Buys quarts of pineapple juice.
 
2012-12-16 03:19:35 PM
Bit'O'Gristle: If you write another one just as good. . .anal? Sure. . .why not?
According to a friend of mine, I do not have blonde hair, but red. I hope that is okay.
He also tells me that a red head is just a blonde who has not had the fire farked out of her yet. Do you agree?
 
2012-12-16 03:49:45 PM
I think there should have to be a criminal conviction under federal drug law before the federal housing assistance can be terminated for her using an illegal drug. They found out because she gave them her receipts. The agency should be allowed to decline to count those expenses for the purpose that the receipts were submitted but they should not be allowed to make or act upon a unilateral determination of fact that a federal criminal law has been violated.
 
2012-12-16 06:38:27 PM

Nem Wan: I think there should have to be a criminal conviction under federal drug law before the federal housing assistance can be terminated for her using an illegal drug.


Nope - They (feds) don't need a criminal conviction to do that. They can use civil procedure and administrative procedure which dosn't require a convicition, only an infraction; or, in some cases alligation. It is then up to the person to defend and prove that nothing "wrong," or beg and appeal. The (inclusion) of the receipts was eveidence enough, and therefore an "admission of fault," this giving the agency the power to act in any manner it chooses.
 
2012-12-16 11:47:16 PM
Marijuana should not be a schedule one drug. The fact that it remains one is idiocy.
 
2012-12-17 12:52:40 AM
MrBentor, I think you are misunderstanding the term "mandated reporter". That has to do with reporting suspected dependent abuse. A Client's use of med mj is hardly abuse and you are not mandated to report it.

Lotta derp in these comments. But this woman made a lot of poor choices as well. Spending $10k on a house you do not own? Self-Reporting illegal activity to her housing authority? My understanding is you are not allowed to save over 2k if you get subsidized HUD housing or medicaid, but I may be wrong on this. Not that that rule makes much sense.

Ultimately, zero tolerance ties the hands of the local authorities. Zero tolerance laws are terribly misguided. I do hope they're able to amend this before she gets evicted, but I've seen people evicted from second 8 for less. And other second 8 users who should be dropped from the program but are not.

Its not the end of the world if she does get evicted. She can get benefits again in 3 years according tfa.
 
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