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2012-12-16 12:26:55 AM

thismomentinblackhistory: Thus making today too soon to discuss this.


I LOL'd at this and then stopped reading the thread. Sometimes you gotta quit while you're ahead.
 
2012-12-16 12:32:05 AM

rocketpants: thismomentinblackhistory: Thus making today too soon to discuss this.

I LOL'd at this and then stopped reading the thread. Sometimes you gotta quit while you're ahead.


or lurk
 
2012-12-16 12:40:54 AM

USP .45: darth_shatner: Australia did everything on the list except 1 and 4 after the Port Arthur massacre, and no, despite a hilarious campaign of complete lies by the NRA it's nothing like Hitler's Germany here.

We don't get felt up by strangers at our airports, either.

You have ridiculous duties/taxes on computers and video games. Seems retarded.


Quite a few less 5 year olds shot to death though.

Easy to see where your priorities lie though.

FREEDOM etc etc yawn
 
2012-12-16 12:56:09 AM

cegorach: USP .45: darth_shatner: Australia did everything on the list except 1 and 4 after the Port Arthur massacre, and no, despite a hilarious campaign of complete lies by the NRA it's nothing like Hitler's Germany here.

We don't get felt up by strangers at our airports, either.

You have ridiculous duties/taxes on computers and video games. Seems retarded.

Quite a few less 5 year olds shot to death though.

Easy to see where your priorities lie though.

FREEDOM etc etc yawn


Right but you already essentially banned guns, so your comeback only makes sense if you're blaming video games and computers for this incident. What a comedian you are.

Jim Jeffries is funny as fark btw. Well done.
 
2012-12-16 01:05:11 AM

cegorach: Friction8r: Princess Ryans Knickers: Giltric: Princess Ryans Knickers: USP .45: Princess Ryans Knickers: So you don't deny that a mentally deficient and troubled man should have had no access to the guns and that the law should be changed to prevent that and unify the gun laws across all states to prevent future tragedy?

If the mother wasn't the victim, she'd be totally liable as this point. As far as blanket law to address specifically what happened? Difficult unless you want to get radical, and I mean radical like infringing upon personal property, medical privacy, and probable cause/4th Amendment rights.

So you are in FAVOR of gun control laws infriginging on her personal property, privacy, and land rights to teach her kids how to use guns. Good to know.

Wow man you are burning that alt on both ends, I hope you have another with an earlier registration date to try again with.

What alt?

If ya take away all guns, there's nothing stopping us from sprinkling some rat poison in the punch bowl that all you insolent liberals drink from incessantly. Boom!

Other than the fact you're a fat lazy redneck who wouldn't have the energy or the stones to do it.


I would never do it. I have a soul. Ya missed on the fat, lazy and redneck part, and the stones.
 
2012-12-16 01:14:38 AM

Princess Ryans Knickers: I've noticed that none of you want to directly argue against my points. I'll consider this a win. I'll leave you to consider your place in Hell while I exit to continue my efforts to protect the innocent.


Ahhhhhh!! You got me! You overplayed your hand with the Jesus thing.

10/10
 
2012-12-16 01:28:58 AM

pxlboy: Gosling: Yeah. Sure. Mexico has low gun availability. You just keep thinking that.

And the cartels buy theirs through our lax gun lawsoperation fast and furious.


thanks, obama!
 
2012-12-16 01:37:01 AM

DoomPaul: Generation_D: DoomPaul: Thankfully security was on hand this time, but you get the point.

[i45.tinypic.com image 539x539]

Now put that up against stats showing how many people in a Western country outside the USA are killed by guns, at all. See how it does.

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1. Mexico is a developing nation with serious social and (which leads to) crime problems, and also shares a border with the most armed nation on the planet. Are you saying that America should be comparing itself to the Global South rather than developed nations like Japan and Switzerland? Speaking of Switzerland, yes they are heavily armed, but it isn't a "right." Those who do have guns have had to go through dedicated military training before they are allowed to possess them.

2. Besides Scotland, which considering the bias of that report suggests we are not getting the full story but even if we are, there seems to be a pretty strong correlation between gun ownership and crime rates.
 
2012-12-16 02:07:57 AM

Generation_D: 'We heard after Columbine that it was too soon to talk about gun laws. We heard it after Virginia Tech. After Tucson and Aurora and Oak Creek. And now we are hearing it again.

For every day we wait, 34 more people are murdered with guns. Today, many of them were five-year-olds.

President Obama rightly sent his heartfelt condolences to the families in Newtown. But the country needs him to send a bill to Congress to fix this problem.

Calling for "meaningful action" is not enough. We need immediate action.'

-Mayor Bloomberg

Obama, Democrat, and Bloomberg, Republican appear to agree.

What say you, gun nuts? No laws can change because you say? Or is there just no need because its always the victims fault because they didn't arm themselves enough to shoot back in time?


you think doomberg is a republican. lol
 
2012-12-16 02:15:35 AM
Yeah! Obama survived the attack! All hail our new awsome!

Thank you fark for getting rid of those people who don't appraise of our new savior.
 
2012-12-16 02:26:03 AM

Dimensio: John Dewey: This is exactly what the authors of the 2nd Amendment had in mind: From the medical examiner in the CT case "I only did seven autopsies and they ranged from three to 11 wounds a piece."

Are you unaware that appeal to emotion is logically fallacious, or are you intentionally relying upon logical fallacy due to an inability to rationally justify your position?


It's what liberals do, they can't help it.
 
2012-12-16 02:29:37 AM

Fish_Fight!: Dimensio: John Dewey: This is exactly what the authors of the 2nd Amendment had in mind: From the medical examiner in the CT case "I only did seven autopsies and they ranged from three to 11 wounds a piece."

Are you unaware that appeal to emotion is logically fallacious, or are you intentionally relying upon logical fallacy due to an inability to rationally justify your position?

It's what liberals do, they can't help it.


also note that when listing the victims, they note the gender...oddly. They don't generally when you Google VT victims, but out of the gate they're careful to make it clear a lot of females died in this senseless rampage.

Right, I get it, it's an NRA war on women, etc etc. If you own a gun you hate women. Yep, we get it.
 
2012-12-16 02:33:56 AM

Waxing_Chewbacca: On Wednesday Adam Lanza was a law abiding citizen. On Thursday he did this.

- Charlotte Bacon, 2/22/06, female
- Daniel Barden, 9/25/05, male
- Rachel Davino, 7/17/83, female.
- Olivia Engel, 7/18/06, female
- Josephine Gay, 12/11/05, female
- Ana M. Marquez-Greene, 04/04/06, female
- Dylan Hockley, 3/8/06, male
- Dawn Hocksprung, 06/28/65, female
- Madeleine F. Hsu, 7/10/06, female
- Catherine V. Hubbard, 6/08/06, female
- Chase Kowalski, 10/31/05, male
- Jesse Lewis, 6/30/06, male
- James Mattioli , 3/22/06, male
- Grace McDonnell, 12/04/05, female
- Anne Marie Murphy, 07/25/60, female
- Emilie Parker, 5/12/06, female
- Jack Pinto, 5/06/06, male
- Noah Pozner, 11/20/06, male
- Caroline Previdi, 9/07/06, female
- Jessica Rekos, 5/10/06, female
- Avielle Richman, 10/17/06, female
- Lauren Russeau, 6/1982, female (full date of birth not specified)
- Mary Sherlach, 2/11/56, female
- Victoria Soto, 11/04/85, female
- Benjamin Wheeler, 9/12/06, male
- Allison N. Wyatt, 7/03/06, female


typed a bunch of names and dates????
 
2012-12-16 02:46:07 AM

Popcorn Johnny: What I would do

Ban all hand guns except for law enforcement and military
Ban all assault weapons
Ban all high capacity magazines
Allow people to own one rifle or shotgun with no more than a 5 round capacity
No open carry
Mental health certifications for all applicants
All guns would be registered

Welcome to Johnny's America


Sounds like Johnny would get shot.
 
2012-12-16 02:50:04 AM

Doc Daneeka: fark the NRA.

fark the 2nd Amendment.

And fark all you gun nuts. Every time an innocent American is killed or wounded in an act of gun violence, their blood is partly on your hands.


oh fu(k you right back
 
2012-12-16 03:07:39 AM
Another gun-free zone
 
2012-12-16 03:15:56 AM

justtray: My favorite part of these threads is the gun nuts with their cherry picked, out of context, bullshiat stats.

Absolute best is comparing to car fatalities. You have to have an IQ in the single digits to think thats a legitimate argument. Cars are essential to every single person's way of life, are owned by nearly everyone, and used every day. Compare the number of fatalities per mile driven to the number of fatalities per bullet shot, and get back to me.


Everybody's using cherry-picked, bullshiat stats for their side. You don't see it because you're on the other side.
 
2012-12-16 03:30:20 AM

Generation_D: Enjoy your freedom, 2nd Amendment lovers. What we're seeing is that the world is too small and too crowded a place for you to keep enjoying them forever -- and more and more of us don't see a need for you to enjoy them. Only in the USA are they so stridently defended, most countries who are at least as civilized as ours get by on far fewer gun rights.


In other countries, Law Enforcement at least pretends that they're interested in responding to calls and protecting people.

When American Police Officers do the same, perhaps we can talk about whether or not lowly civilians need gun rights.
 
2012-12-16 03:30:46 AM

Fish_Fight!: Dimensio: John Dewey: This is exactly what the authors of the 2nd Amendment had in mind: From the medical examiner in the CT case "I only did seven autopsies and they ranged from three to 11 wounds a piece."

Are you unaware that appeal to emotion is logically fallacious, or are you intentionally relying upon logical fallacy due to an inability to rationally justify your position?

It's what liberals do, they can't help it.


Which is why Dick Morris, Karl Rove, George F Will, Dean Chambers and Peggy Noonan correctly called the election a landslide for Romney - taking the obvious step of ignoring emotional arguments like those of Nate Silver.
 
2012-12-16 05:02:22 AM

Tigger: Fish_Fight!: Dimensio: John Dewey: This is exactly what the authors of the 2nd Amendment had in mind: From the medical examiner in the CT case "I only did seven autopsies and they ranged from three to 11 wounds a piece."

Are you unaware that appeal to emotion is logically fallacious, or are you intentionally relying upon logical fallacy due to an inability to rationally justify your position?

It's what liberals do, they can't help it.

Which is why Dick Morris, Karl Rove, George F Will, Dean Chambers and Peggy Noonan correctly called the election a landslide for Romney - taking the obvious step of ignoring emotional arguments like those of Nate Silver.


Conservatives rarely appeal to emotion. They employ many other logical fallacies and often they ignore reality outright, but appeals to emotion are uncommon from them.

Liberals more frequently appeal to emotion. Even when arguing in support of justifiable positions, such as legal recognition of same-sex marriage, many arguments presented are emotional appeals rather than appeals to reason.

Few argue politics logically.
 
2012-12-16 05:48:04 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: ToxicMunkee: Dancin_In_Anson: ToxicMunkee: Arm all the doctors and nurses, stat!

Funny you say that as the gunman attacked a place where he wasn't the only armed person and look how it turned out.

I just wanted to make a "stat" joke. Jeez.

I thought it was funny

/FWIW


That is why DIA only shows up in my comments when other people are fussing. They are a humorless pedant. Save yourself some time. Also add GAT_00 while you are there. Makes it a little more tolerable to read the comments ;)
 
2012-12-16 05:56:35 AM

smittyg: The law is the law. Again, find another place where the laws suit you better.

You know, I would, but unfortunately I was born in this shiathole country and haven't been able to make enough money to escape it yet.


Have you looked into Costa Rica? Living is quite affordable and there are plenty of ex-pats for company. Once I get my coffee business off the ground, you're welcome to visit any time.
 
2012-12-16 05:59:45 AM

Someothermonkey: Solution: don't bother restricting guns or making it harder to buy one or do anything to change the glorification of gun culture, because it won't solve the problem 100%

Do people realize how stupid those arguments sound? Addressing the gun nut culture through laws and other means won't make the issue go away, but it will help.


Your point is taken, but do you realize how stupid it also sounds to suggest all gun owners are freaks? Most are quite law abiding.

The conversation no one is having is one I would like to hear. Meds. How do they play into this equation? No one seems interested. But, if you look at the numbers, a frightening number of our populace is on mind-altering medication. Some with very dangerous 'side' effects. No one seems to care.
 
2012-12-16 07:04:55 AM

Dimensio: Tigger: Fish_Fight!: Dimensio: John Dewey: This is exactly what the authors of the 2nd Amendment had in mind: From the medical examiner in the CT case "I only did seven autopsies and they ranged from three to 11 wounds a piece."

Are you unaware that appeal to emotion is logically fallacious, or are you intentionally relying upon logical fallacy due to an inability to rationally justify your position?

It's what liberals do, they can't help it.

Which is why Dick Morris, Karl Rove, George F Will, Dean Chambers and Peggy Noonan correctly called the election a landslide for Romney - taking the obvious step of ignoring emotional arguments like those of Nate Silver.

Conservatives rarely appeal to emotion. They employ many other logical fallacies and often they ignore reality outright, but appeals to emotion are uncommon from them.

Liberals more frequently appeal to emotion.


Often true, and why it's a huge mistake to confuse modern Republicans with conservatives.
 
2012-12-16 07:08:16 AM

justtray: Friction8r: John Dewey: NotoriousFire: Second amendment already justifies a gun owners "need" to own. You need to justify your point - the US Bill of Rights justifies against your point.

The Bill of Rights justified owning a musket.

The right of the People to keep and bear ARMS, not "muskets," ya dolt. I enjoy mine, and I'm keeping them, and you can't do a thing about it...except flame on, which is delightful!

Keep reading. Don't stop after the first sentence this time.

I hope you fight back when we force you to register your weapons and pay property taxes on them. Then we can legally put you down and remove you from the equation.

So, you're wishing me to die because I legally own registered firearms? fark you, you're an asshole.
The rest of you who are saying I am responsible for the horrifying tragedy that happened because I own firearms? fark you too.
I knew as soon as this awful event happened, there would be countless blitherings from people wishing to push their agendas, attention whores, and assholes. Yeah, banning all firearms isn't gonna happen, and wouldn't do a damn thing to curb the violence anyway. Arming every citizen isn't gonna work either, how about we have an adult conversation about the real issues here? Mental health, glorification of violence, the dumbing down of society, the list goes on and on. Maybe even grieve for the innocent victims of this tragic event, rather than using their deaths as a talking point in an inane argument.
 
2012-12-16 07:09:12 AM

Generation_D: John Dewey: Why am I the one having to justify not owning killing devices? Shouldn't the gun owners have to justify their need to own? Talk about backwards land.

I'm fully in favor of removing the 2nd Amendment from the Constitution. Outdated crap that holds us back, makes us the slow kid in the world.


You seem to be unfamiliar with the course of the 20th century, which wasn't THAT long ago.
 
2012-12-16 07:11:17 AM
Oh yeah, I'm a libby lib lib, and despise the NRA, so don't confuse me with some butthurt conservative with an agenda.
 
2012-12-16 08:23:09 AM
Death toll continues to climb as police inspect the morgue...
 
2012-12-16 08:55:44 AM

Fellate O'Fish: mr lawson
Yeah, that's been posted ad nauseum on my Facebook wall by my Tea Party friends/relatives. It's great to know that you have this problem boiled down to a single derp-y slogan.


That is typical of the "Right." Everything they believe is able to fit on a bumper sticker.
 
2012-12-16 09:02:08 AM

Generation_D: 'We heard after Columbine that it was too soon to talk about gun laws. We heard it after Virginia Tech. After Tucson and Aurora and Oak Creek. And now we are hearing it again.

For every day we wait, 34 more people are murdered with guns. Today, many of them were five-year-olds.

President Obama rightly sent his heartfelt condolences to the families in Newtown. But the country needs him to send a bill to Congress to fix this problem.

Calling for "meaningful action" is not enough. We need immediate action.'

-Mayor Bloomberg

Obama, Democrat, and Bloomberg, Republican appear to agree.

What say you, gun nuts? No laws can change because you say? Or is there just no need because its always the victims fault because they didn't arm themselves enough to shoot back in time?


Semantics, but Bloomberg is not a Republican anymore.
 
2012-12-16 09:21:09 AM

DoomPaul: Everyone with the over 270,000,000 privately owned guns in the United States please send your name, address, and social security number so we may tax and/or confiscate your guns.

Thank you. 

[i47.tinypic.com image 578x582]



Gun Culture is too big to fail.
 
2012-12-16 09:30:26 AM

Generation_D: Speech never killed anyone. Gun owners do, frequently.


There is a nurse in the UK that disagrees, and some free-speech touting individuals in Australia that feel fairly bad at this moment...
 
2012-12-16 09:59:50 AM

Generation_D: I'd look to Europe deaths over all, and deaths by personal firearm, as the metrics to compare the USA to and see how we do.


This has been done over and over again, and gun control makes little difference in crime. As horrible as a tragedy like this is, it illicits huge emotional impacts, but statistically it is irrelevant.

We had 10 years of a so called assault weapons ban in our country, it made no difference.

Tragedies happen, you can't manage all risk. Grow up.
 
2012-12-16 11:27:43 AM

Popcorn Johnny: What I would do

Ban all hand guns except for law enforcement and military
Ban all assault weapons
Ban all high capacity magazines
Allow people to own one rifle or shotgun with no more than a 5 round capacity
No open carry
Mental health certifications for all applicants
All guns would be registered

Welcome to Johnny's America


Sorry, but if the populace doesn't get it, the police sure as hell don't either.
 
2012-12-16 08:00:09 PM

Allen. The end.: saturn badger: flucto: MaudlinMutantMollusk: becoming numb to it

I'm not becoming numb, I'm becoming angry. Something must change. Also, F*CK the NRA.

When was the last time you saw a NRA member shoot someone?

Dick Cheney? I could be wrong - he might not have been a member of the NRA, but certainly accepted their support...and they REALLY should have revoked his card if he was.


I was going more on the thought none of the loonies who shoot up schools, malls and theaters were NRA members and not accidental near wipe outs of lawyers.

And he is a member.
 
2012-12-17 02:17:47 AM

The Face Of Oblivion: The Face of Obliviondmax: voluntary internal repurposing of our media to teach and elevate society.

The First Amendment, let me show you it. Protip: whenever this has occurred, it's not "voluntary" nor purely "internal", "repurposing" is a euphemism, and "teach[ing] and elevat[ing] society" should read "pushing propaganda, stifling dissent, dumbing down the national discourse, and destroying democracy."


The pity is, you're probably allowed to vote, despite your inability to do more than leapfrog between internet cliches. But, someone has to be on the bottom of the bell curve, so enjoy.
 
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