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2012-12-15 04:02:45 PM

NotoriousFire: John Dewey:
I would rather roll the dice that I will never face that than roll the dice of sending my kid to school everyday knowing some whackjob has easy access to guns.


Understood that's your choice. What about those individuals out there who have had to use such firearms in defense of their family and/or home? Those individuals who, if otherwise did not use their firearm, would have had a family member killed or raped?

I understand you have your belief on firearms, and I respect that. But there are others, who have been in different situations, who have theirs. To say gun-control, in its entirety, will completely eliminate innocent death from such firearms is ridiculous. Now if people were required to do their due diligence, and secure their firearm(s) when not in use, I'd support that. But complete outlaw is neither American nor beneficial.


I'm much more likely to get caught in gang crime crossfires or lone gun nut shooting up a mall than I am likely to get raped.

Why does your defense of your family get to put me in more danger than I would be otherwise?
 
2012-12-15 04:02:49 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Friction8r: Generation_D: I realize that I won't outshout the internet tough guy gun rights brigade. Thats not the point.

A whole lot of us out here think you guys are idiots, and I bet I live to see the day you all are outvoted.

Its happened before, it'll happen again. Gun Rights is just a sh*tty 220 year old thought on a piece of paper. The Fourth Amendment has been trashed by modern interpretation, the First Amendment is in tatters compared to its meaning back when it was written. The Second Amendment actually had a good reason for being, but it doesn't any more. Tyranny is not overthrown by your home collection of weapons. However, many innocent people quite often could be.

I'm fed up with it, I suspect many others are too.

Since you ignored me the first time, I'll say it again: Have your vote. You STILL aren't getting our guns. How do you propose to do that? Good luck!

It's funny how you gun nuts think that the US Military will have such a problem confiscating your semi-auto AR when it pretty much dismantled two foreign militaries.


Hilarious! The US Military's going house to house in a hundred million homes to confiscate weapons? Hell, most of them are sons and daughters of gun owners. Plus, are they gonna have metal detectors cover the hundred acres of our family farm searching? Like I said, you haven't seen bloodshed till you try that stunt.

/Duke sucks!
/BIG BLUE! National Champs!
 
2012-12-15 04:02:53 PM

Gosling: mr lawson: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 542x539]

Neither. Though the second will likely result in 5-year-olds being caught in the crossfire of a shootout. Which I'm sure is just the best solution for everyone.


better a cross-fire than only an one-way fire.
 
2012-12-15 04:02:55 PM

NotoriousFire: But complete outlaw is neither American nor beneficial.


You're right. Not beneficial. Except for the countries where it has been.
 
2012-12-15 04:03:24 PM

ultraholland: Generation_D: So apparently the model gun-owning citizen.

aside from letting her crazy-ass son use them


In this incident, the problem was clearly with access by an unstable individual, not ability for an unstable individual to purchase. A reasonable means of addressing this situation -- beyond examining the overall state of mental health care and treatment in the United States of America -- is consideration of firearms storage (or even presence) when a mentally ill individual lives in the residence.

I do know that individuals may be arrested for storing firearms in homes in which a convicted felon resides, even if the owner of the firearms is not a prohibited person. How this law currently applies to mentally unstable individuals, however, I do not know.
 
2012-12-15 04:03:30 PM

Generation_D: Why does your defense of your family get to put me in more danger than I would be otherwise?


This.
 
2012-12-15 04:03:32 PM

saturn badger: flucto: MaudlinMutantMollusk: becoming numb to it

I'm not becoming numb, I'm becoming angry. Something must change. Also, F*CK the NRA.

When was the last time you saw a NRA member shoot someone?


Dick Cheney? I could be wrong - he might not have been a member of the NRA, but certainly accepted their support...and they REALLY should have revoked his card if he was.
 
2012-12-15 04:03:33 PM

tshauk: Generation_D: tshauk: TheEdibleSnuggie: globalwarmingpraiser: This year has been crazy. WTF is wrong with people.

I'm convinced a lot of this insanity has something to do with the supposed end of the world being on the 21st of this month; people are going stupid.

Really..... Just this year? School shooting's have been taking place in this country since the 1700's. Not to mention all the other types of gun violence. Don't by naive, this is America, we were built by the use of firearms.

And now we're crumbling from within because of it. Hopefully we don't become Somalia or Afghanistan.

I'll agree we are crumbling, but not because of weapons in our homes, no no...that's just to simple; it's because Americans have lost any back bone and are no controlled by what the media and politicians tell them to think, and the masses drink it all up. No will power to adjust a corrupt Government. We used to be a nation FOR the people, BY the people, when was the last time you felt your Government was on YOUR side?


About never, whats your point. Owning a gun isn't changing that one.
 
2012-12-15 04:03:43 PM

Skywolf Philosopher: Seriously, if at least the security could be armed legally, then folks who are armed illegally couldn't kill so much before being gunned down. Or is there some flaw in this logic that makes legal gun ownership such a bad idea?


Even if security guards could be legally armed (And in many places, they can be) most businesses, governments, and NGOs would not arm their security guards for liability reasons.

I like guns, truly I do, but treating them like they'll solve every violent crime is laughably simplistic.
 
2012-12-15 04:03:46 PM
Surely it's fine to give up some liberty in exchange for security.

i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-15 04:03:53 PM

globalwarmingpraiser: How about we justify you not being thrown in jail? You might rape someone. Shouldn't you justify that you won't rape someone.


Okay, let's set down some firm boundaries, regardless of what the law says. Even though one might have a concealed-carry permit, even though one might be ALLOWED to carry a gun into an elementary school, even though we just had a shooting in an elementary school, that does not make it OKAY to carry a gun into an elementary school. It doesn't matter if the Supreme Court okays it 9-0. You do not pack heat in an elementary school. Under any circumstances. Full stop. You do not pack heat in a hospital. Under any circumstances. Full stop. You do not place 5-year-olds or hospital patients in a position to get caught in the crossfire of a shootout. That's not advocating law. That's advocating basic human decency. Just because the law says you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD. The law doesn't prevent me from hiding under the seat of a movie theater and leaping out and screaming out the ending to everyone the second the lights dim. But if I did so, I would be an asshole. If you pack heat in a hospital or an elementary school, you are an asshole.

People need to stop themselves for five seconds and consider, truly consider, where the hell they're thinking it's okay to have a gun. They need to stop themselves for five seconds and truly THINK about what kind of guns they really need to have, and how many they need to have. You are in Anytown USA. Al Qaeda is not coming over the horizon in a fleet of helicopters with Ride of the Valkyries playing in the background, and if it was, the Army's got it handled anyway. If the arsenal you have on hand in your house is sufficient to take on such a fleet, you need to scale back. A simple handgun is sufficient for most of your home-invasion needs, and that's in the unlikely event that a home invasion ever happens to you at all and you are able to reach your gun before the intruder does AND that the intruder does not bring his own gun and gets the drop on you. And by the way, the deer you're hunting? It does not know how to use firearms and likely just wants to be left alone. You do not need a gun rated above that which is sufficient to bring down the largest game commonly found near you.

And in any case, there is no circumstance you are going to run into that is going to require you pumping death into someone or something with more than one bullet at a time. You do not need anything that does such a thing. Full stop. You do not. Besides, anything after that first bullet is going to be wildly inaccurate anyway because the recoil is going to screw with you. 'Suppressive fire' is not a phrase that needs to be in your hunting or home-protection vocabulary, and if you think it does, you need to rethink at least a couple of your life decisions.
 
2012-12-15 04:03:56 PM

Generation_D: globalwarmingpraiser: John Dewey: Why am I the one having to justify not owning killing devices? Shouldn't the gun owners have to justify their need to own? Talk about backwards land.

How about we justify you not being thrown in jail? You might rape someone. Shouldn't you justify that you won't rape someone.

Is jailing those that disagree with your viewpoint how a gun nut solves problems now?

So much for that pesky First Amendment.

Guess I was right, gun nuts only care about the 2nd Amendment, they give f--k all about the others.


It is called Hyperbole. I was using his argument against him. I was exercising free speech. I hold it near and dear. But I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.
 
2012-12-15 04:04:09 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Dimensio: cameroncrazy1984: Dimensio: If you believe that further restriction is warranted -- and that such restriction will survive judicial scrutiny -- then you are free to argue a "need" for them

How about two mass shootings in two days using legally-obtained firearms?

That was the need argued when the UK banned most firearms, and they now enjoy one of the lowest gun-death rates in the world.

What were their "gun death" and total homicide rates prior to the enactment of the regulation to which you refer?

According to the British Journal of Criminology, as of 2011, gun homicides have declined for 7 straight years, so my guess is, higher than .22 per 100k.


How has the total homicide rate changed?
 
2012-12-15 04:04:21 PM

mr lawson: Gosling: mr lawson: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 542x539]

Neither. Though the second will likely result in 5-year-olds being caught in the crossfire of a shootout. Which I'm sure is just the best solution for everyone.

better a cross-fire than only an one-way fire.


Better dead to a gun nut than living, apparently.
 
2012-12-15 04:04:29 PM

Popcorn Johnny: iq_in_binary: The Sandy Hook shooting was with illegally obtained weapons.

Taking them from your mothers house isn't the same thing as breaking in and stealing them.


Actually in his case yes. He was underage to possess a pistol for one.
 
2012-12-15 04:04:32 PM
I like how the discussions on yesterday's event started pretty reasonably and then went blue retard whereas it appears that the discussions for this event simply start retarded and go downhill from there..
 
2012-12-15 04:04:33 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Medic Zero: You think 300 million guns are going to evaporate?

If laws were put in place making them illegal, most would. The others would be weeded out over time.


Maybe you should talk to someone from the Balkans.
 
2012-12-15 04:04:34 PM

mr lawson: We don't need gun control. We need Psychos control.
Criminals do not shoot up schools...Psychos do.


Im sure you wont mind when youre identified as a psycho
 
2012-12-15 04:04:48 PM

mr lawson: We don't need gun control. We need Psychos control.
Criminals do not shoot up schools...Psychos do.


Actually I think you'll find it is psychos with guns that shoot people.
 
2012-12-15 04:04:54 PM
Well, I'm going to go drive my gun to the store. Hope there's enough room in the chamber for the groceries.
 
2012-12-15 04:05:42 PM

John Dewey: globalwarmingpraiser: How about we justify you not being thrown in jail? You might rape someone. Shouldn't you justify that you won't rape someone.

You're right. My body and penis could be used to rape...let's see...how many women in a 30-60 second span?


What's your recovery time, and isn't one victim enough? Quit living in fear, I don't. Most gun owners consider their guns like insurance. Something that they never need.
 
2012-12-15 04:05:46 PM

Medic Zero: whizbangthedirtfarmer: phenn: shower_in_my_socks: NotoriousFire: So how far will outlawing guns really go towards stopping anything?


You realize that yesterday a man in China stabbed 22 school children and NONE OF THEM DIED, right?

You might have missed the point. He still tried to harm or kill them. Doesn't matter what he did it with. There was something intrinsically WRONG with the farker. Wrong with HIM.

It doesn't mean all people who own knives are going to try stabbing a bunch of children.

You cannot punish the whole of society because there are crazies in the world. That just doesn't make any sense.

I have a hard time seeing how keeping you owning a limited number of weapons and having you go through extensive training/psych checks to own said weapons is "punishment." It's actually called "be a responsible member of society."

Why set a limit? People can really only fire one at once. Why punish collectors? What's the limit? What about people who already have more than the limit?


1) A limit prevents proliferation and trading/selling of guns.
2) I don't give two shiats about collectors.
3) The limit in many countries is one. If you go the self-defense route with this, please keep in mind you pointed out that you can only "really fire one at once."
4) They will have to be grandfathered in or go through the same testing for each weapon, including, perhaps, providing written justification for each.
 
2012-12-15 04:06:38 PM
The Mayan apocalypse has begun.
 
2012-12-15 04:06:40 PM

Generation_D: Tellingthem: Oh for christ sake. You will never ban guns here in America. It will never happen. After anything like this you get the knee jerk reactions of "Let's BAN GUNS!" or "Their coming to TAKE OUR GUNS!". Might as well talk about banning alcohol everytime some drunk driver crashes a kills a family of four. That is just as stupid and will never happen either.

Never say never. 100 years ago you could probably have said they'd never outlaw inter-racial marriage.


Ummm yeah...we tried to outlaw alcohol once and it failed. We tried outlawing drugs and it failed. I think that the majority of people are catching on...
 
2012-12-15 04:06:45 PM

morlinge: Actually I think you'll find it is psychos with guns that shoot people.


ummmm...that's the point.
 
2012-12-15 04:06:47 PM
John Dewey: Well, I'm going to go drive my gun to the store. Hope there's enough room in the chamber for the groceries.

I'm happy that you've made progress today.
 
2012-12-15 04:06:53 PM

Friction8r: cameroncrazy1984: Friction8r: Generation_D: I realize that I won't outshout the internet tough guy gun rights brigade. Thats not the point.

A whole lot of us out here think you guys are idiots, and I bet I live to see the day you all are outvoted.

Its happened before, it'll happen again. Gun Rights is just a sh*tty 220 year old thought on a piece of paper. The Fourth Amendment has been trashed by modern interpretation, the First Amendment is in tatters compared to its meaning back when it was written. The Second Amendment actually had a good reason for being, but it doesn't any more. Tyranny is not overthrown by your home collection of weapons. However, many innocent people quite often could be.

I'm fed up with it, I suspect many others are too.

Since you ignored me the first time, I'll say it again: Have your vote. You STILL aren't getting our guns. How do you propose to do that? Good luck!

It's funny how you gun nuts think that the US Military will have such a problem confiscating your semi-auto AR when it pretty much dismantled two foreign militaries.

Hilarious! The US Military's going house to house in a hundred million homes to confiscate weapons? Hell, most of them are sons and daughters of gun owners. Plus, are they gonna have metal detectors cover the hundred acres of our family farm searching? Like I said, you haven't seen bloodshed till you try that stunt.

/Duke sucks!
/BIG BLUE! National Champs!


Nobody is confiscating sh*t.

Over time, in the coming years and decades, the need to own a gun to feel like a whole complete man is going to evolve away, just like the need to beat n-ggers to plant crops evolved away.

It wont be quick, but I have faith that civilization will prevail. The world does not see gun nuttery as essential to having a Westernized culture.

Only we do, because we are stuck with this 18th century document that promises it, and because plenty of people buy into the lies that come with it.
 
2012-12-15 04:07:07 PM

Friction8r: cameroncrazy1984: Friction8r: Generation_D: I realize that I won't outshout the internet tough guy gun rights brigade. Thats not the point.

A whole lot of us out here think you guys are idiots, and I bet I live to see the day you all are outvoted.

Its happened before, it'll happen again. Gun Rights is just a sh*tty 220 year old thought on a piece of paper. The Fourth Amendment has been trashed by modern interpretation, the First Amendment is in tatters compared to its meaning back when it was written. The Second Amendment actually had a good reason for being, but it doesn't any more. Tyranny is not overthrown by your home collection of weapons. However, many innocent people quite often could be.

I'm fed up with it, I suspect many others are too.

Since you ignored me the first time, I'll say it again: Have your vote. You STILL aren't getting our guns. How do you propose to do that? Good luck!

It's funny how you gun nuts think that the US Military will have such a problem confiscating your semi-auto AR when it pretty much dismantled two foreign militaries.

Hilarious! The US Military's going house to house in a hundred million homes to confiscate weapons? Hell, most of them are sons and daughters of gun owners. Plus, are they gonna have metal detectors cover the hundred acres of our family farm searching? Like I said, you haven't seen bloodshed till you try that stunt.

/Duke sucks!
/BIG BLUE! National Champs!


How do you think the US military secures a country?

You legitimately have zero idea of how military operations work.
 
2012-12-15 04:07:29 PM
The Baker Act, 5150, etc. needs to be federal at this point. That's the only remote possibility of avoiding shiat like this.
 
2012-12-15 04:07:38 PM

globalwarmingpraiser: Most gun owners consider their guns like insurance. Something that they never need.


I'm don't doubt that's what Nancy Lanza thought. She probably even taught her kids responsible ownership and respect for the guns. Maybe even took them to the range.

I know that's what I thought until yesterday.
 
2012-12-15 04:07:42 PM

DoomPaul: Surely it's fine to give up some liberty in exchange for security.


Where does someone else's liberty to carry firearms end and my liberty not to get shot start?
 
2012-12-15 04:08:08 PM

DoomPaul: Surely it's fine to give up some liberty in exchange for security.

[i50.tinypic.com image 500x270]


Except I'm not afraid of the government, I'm afraid of some lone wolf wackjob mad at being spanked by his big breasted mother and deciding to mow me down while I buy porn and mac n cheese at 7-11.
 
2012-12-15 04:08:18 PM

cameroncrazy1984: basemetal: What if the civilian only took out the gunman, would they still be a dumbass civilian?

Again, that's never happened before so...


Apparently you have me on ignore because a posted a link for you two days ago that says otherwise.
 
2012-12-15 04:08:30 PM
And the media has another orgasm as it rushes to it's places, somber looks on their faces. Just before the camera goes on you hear, "Don't show me below the waist, I have a wet spot.
 
2012-12-15 04:08:32 PM

John Dewey: Well, I'm going to go drive my gun to the store. Hope there's enough room in the chamber for the groceries.


I loled
 
2012-12-15 04:08:59 PM

John Dewey: Well, I'm going to go drive my gun to the store. Hope there's enough room in the chamber for the groceries.


You're not thinking outside the box enough. If you USE your gun as the TOOL It was intended to be, you could rob the store and have lots of money--money to buy more GUNS with!
 
2012-12-15 04:09:10 PM

tricycleracer: The Baker Act, 5150, etc. needs to be federal at this point. That's the only remote possibility of avoiding shiat like this.


I can support such a proposal.
 
2012-12-15 04:09:10 PM

John Dewey: globalwarmingpraiser: Most gun owners consider their guns like insurance. Something that they never need.

I'm don't doubt that's what Nancy Lanza thought. She probably even taught her kids responsible ownership and respect for the guns. Maybe even took them to the range.

I know that's what I thought until yesterday.


How can you teach something you don't know yourself. Keeping YOUR guns unlocked, is NOT responsible.
 
2012-12-15 04:09:19 PM

Generation_D: tshauk: Generation_D: tshauk: TheEdibleSnuggie: globalwarmingpraiser: This year has been crazy. WTF is wrong with people.

I'm convinced a lot of this insanity has something to do with the supposed end of the world being on the 21st of this month; people are going stupid.

Really..... Just this year? School shooting's have been taking place in this country since the 1700's. Not to mention all the other types of gun violence. Don't by naive, this is America, we were built by the use of firearms.

And now we're crumbling from within because of it. Hopefully we don't become Somalia or Afghanistan.

I'll agree we are crumbling, but not because of weapons in our homes, no no...that's just to simple; it's because Americans have lost any back bone and are no controlled by what the media and politicians tell them to think, and the masses drink it all up. No will power to adjust a corrupt Government. We used to be a nation FOR the people, BY the people, when was the last time you felt your Government was on YOUR side?

About never, whats your point. Owning a gun isn't changing that one.


That is my point Gen D..... We have the ability to change our political landscape to reflect a less corrupt Government, we simply lack the will. When the masses once again decide we have been spoon fed enough bullshiat and our backs are breaking under the yolks of a corrupt Government, I kinda hope I still own a gun.
 
2012-12-15 04:09:25 PM

Gosling: globalwarmingpraiser: How about we justify you not being thrown in jail? You might rape someone. Shouldn't you justify that you won't rape someone.

Okay, let's set down some firm boundaries, regardless of what the law says. Even though one might have a concealed-carry permit, even though one might be ALLOWED to carry a gun into an elementary school, even though we just had a shooting in an elementary school, that does not make it OKAY to carry a gun into an elementary school. It doesn't matter if the Supreme Court okays it 9-0. You do not pack heat in an elementary school. Under any circumstances. Full stop. You do not pack heat in a hospital. Under any circumstances. Full stop. You do not place 5-year-olds or hospital patients in a position to get caught in the crossfire of a shootout. That's not advocating law. That's advocating basic human decency. Just because the law says you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD. The law doesn't prevent me from hiding under the seat of a movie theater and leaping out and screaming out the ending to everyone the second the lights dim. But if I did so, I would be an asshole. If you pack heat in a hospital or an elementary school, you are an asshole.

People need to stop themselves for five seconds and consider, truly consider, where the hell they're thinking it's okay to have a gun. They need to stop themselves for five seconds and truly THINK about what kind of guns they really need to have, and how many they need to have. You are in Anytown USA. Al Qaeda is not coming over the horizon in a fleet of helicopters with Ride of the Valkyries playing in the background, and if it was, the Army's got it handled anyway. If the arsenal you have on hand in your house is sufficient to take on such a fleet, you need to scale back. A simple handgun is sufficient for most of your home-invasion needs, and that's in the unlikely event that a home invasion ever happens to you at all and you are able to reach your gun before the intruder do ...


I was responding in a manner to ridicule a ridiculous idea. I used hyperbole. Hell the person I responded got it, even though we disagree.
 
2012-12-15 04:09:31 PM
Apparently every firearm is a dnaGeneration_D:
I'm much more likely to get caught in gang crime crossfires or lone gun nut shooting up a mall than I am likely to get raped.

Sounds like you're the selfish one. "12% of women answered "yes" to questions about whether they experienced something that met the definition of attempted rape." I can furnish citations if you desire. But I seriously doubt 12% of women have been in a shootout.
 
2012-12-15 04:09:33 PM

John Dewey: Sultan Of Herf: Banning guns isnt going to stop muggers, rapists, home invaders, robbery, assault and the vast majority of all other crime...and they know it...but getting those scary guns taken away will make them feel safe, for a little while. Until a friend, family member, or even them personally is a victim of crime...then they will have something new to scream about.

And this is precisely why I see gun ownership as a selfish act. You feel safer and yet endanger the lives of unknown innocents.


Please explain how my guns, safely stored in a house full of stable people, are endangering any innocent people...and do it without using their simple existence as the basis of your argument...also do it without further assumption, including but not limited to my personal experience, training or expertise, since you dont have any knowledge of those.


Dimensio: John Dewey: Why am I the one having to justify not owning killing devices? Shouldn't the gun owners have to justify their need to own? Talk about backwards land.

In free societies, rights of action and of ownership are allowed by default, and restriction requires justification. Perhaps you prefer residence in an authoritarian society.


No no, he (and those of like mind) just want the restriction or ban of things that make them scared, and/or dont inconvenience them. You will notice that despite the huge number of unjustified deaths blamed on irresponsibility while operating a motor vehicle, they arent calling for a ban or restrictions on owning them. Clearly current levels of driver training and deterrents to things like drunk driving arent sufficient, people are still dying...but you dont see the outrage over that.
 
2012-12-15 04:09:34 PM
Comparing the danger of guns to the danger of cars seems like a silly argument now, and will seem even sillier in the future when humans aren't allowed to operate them.
 
2012-12-15 04:09:42 PM
mr lawson
Yeah, that's been posted ad nauseum on my Facebook wall by my Tea Party friends/relatives. It's great to know that you have this problem boiled down to a single derp-y slogan.
 
2012-12-15 04:10:08 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Medic Zero: You think 300 million guns are going to evaporate?

If laws were put in place making them illegal, most would. The others would be weeded out over time.


The Ca. national guard is approx 22k strong. There are 12 million households in California. Good luck with that house to house confiscation. Also, who the hell is going to pay for your confiscation scheme? Even if you don't compensate gun owners the sheer and cost size of the enterprise would rival or exceed the entire war on terror.
 
2012-12-15 04:10:16 PM

ultraholland: John Dewey: Well, I'm going to go drive my gun to the store. Hope there's enough room in the chamber for the groceries.

I'm happy that you've made progress today.


He was continuing with the stupid argument that guns don't kill people, people kill people. I was just reminding him that actually it is people with guns that kill people.
 
2012-12-15 04:10:17 PM

mr lawson: We don't need gun control. We need Psychos control.
Criminals do not shoot up schools...Psychos do.


Psychos with guns. Freely gotten because gun nuts demanded it.
 
2012-12-15 04:10:18 PM

mr lawson: We don't need gun control. We need Psychos control.
Criminals do not shoot up schools...Psychos do.


images1.wikia.nocookie.net

To be fair, they think we're man-animals.
 
2012-12-15 04:10:30 PM

cameroncrazy1984: How do you think the US military secures a country?


superior fire-power?
 
2012-12-15 04:10:54 PM

zippolight2002: Keeping YOUR guns unlocked, is NOT responsible.


Do we know that's what she did?

But do you not see the fallacy/slipper slope here?

As the details come out I foresee gun owners falling into a false sense of security, "Well obviously if she'd just ___________ then this wouldn't have happened. I know I don't __________ so it won't happen to me and mine"

When will we eventually run out of ___________'s?
 
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