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2012-12-15 03:38:25 PM  

John Dewey: ultraholland: John Dewey: What do you think Nancy Lanza owned guns?

because she was a farking idiot who took her clearly mentally disturbed son to the range.


And anyone who currently own guns and continue to purchase guns is doing the same.

Again, zero sense.

You can never have 100% control over how a gun you own is used. Period. So by owning it/possessing it you are putting others at risk. The more guns there are in society, the higher the risk of being shot for individual members of that society. So whatever your reasons are for owning a gun, they are selfish ones. You are putting your own safety/pleasure above the needs of other innocent members of your society.

Gun ownership=selfishness.


I'm a gunsmith, I can ensure the only time any firearm in my control will function is when I want it to. So can anybody with any mechanical aptitude and the ability to find their own ass without the aid of a flashlight.

It's about as simple as taking the keys out of the ignition, or disconnecting the battery in a car.

You're obviously not very bright.
 
2012-12-15 03:38:26 PM  
Surprised this one doesn't seem to be getting any national media attention.
 
2012-12-15 03:38:56 PM  
Lets play this on the news all day too and see if we can't get more people to snap. Because all the attention these events certainly couldn't lead to more people committing them...

/farking morons
 
2012-12-15 03:39:10 PM  

justtray: We are going to. Then we're going to use that argument against you, and you don't get to make a sound about it.


Well, put up or shut up

Conservatives won't have presidental power again anytime soon, and we're going to replace Thomas, Alito, possibly more with liberals who will override their previous ruling on guns.

Its only a matter of time, deal with it.


lolwut
 
2012-12-15 03:39:16 PM  

BSABSVR: Did this man play Mass Effect? This is important!


no, but my mom's friend's sister said his brother did, EBIL!
 
2012-12-15 03:39:55 PM  
My favorite part of these threads is the gun nuts with their cherry picked, out of context, bullshiat stats.

Absolute best is comparing to car fatalities. You have to have an IQ in the single digits to think thats a legitimate argument. Cars are essential to every single person's way of life, are owned by nearly everyone, and used every day. Compare the number of fatalities per mile driven to the number of fatalities per bullet shot, and get back to me.
 
2012-12-15 03:39:56 PM  

Generation_D: [thismodernworld.com image 720x672]


the site that hosts that picture is going to crash at this rate.
 
2012-12-15 03:39:58 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: What would the average number of people killed in mass shootings be if nobody had guns?


The same amount of people who were drinking during prohibition.
 
2012-12-15 03:40:02 PM  
Who is this strawman who keeps saying he wants to ban all guns sales and take all guns? He sounds like a dick, but apparently he's very powerful politically.
 
2012-12-15 03:40:04 PM  

iq_in_binary: I'm a gunsmith, I can ensure the only time any firearm in my control will function is when I want it to. So can anybody with any mechanical aptitude and the ability to find their own ass without the aid of a flashlight.


Excellent. I just stabbed you in your sleep with my knife and now have your gun to go kill 20 kids.

Congrats.
 
2012-12-15 03:40:29 PM  

John Dewey: Why am I the one having to justify not owning killing devices? Shouldn't the gun owners have to justify their need to own? Talk about backwards land.


Second amendment already justifies a gun owners "need" to own. You need to justify your point - the US Bill of Rights justifies against your point.
 
2012-12-15 03:40:44 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Popcorn Johnny: What would the average number of people killed in mass shootings be if nobody had guns?

The same amount of people who were drinking during prohibition.


Funny, you don't see a whole lot of shooting deaths in the UK
 
2012-12-15 03:40:56 PM  

Generation_D: I realize that I won't outshout the internet tough guy gun rights brigade. Thats not the point.

A whole lot of us out here think you guys are idiots, and I bet I live to see the day you all are outvoted.

Its happened before, it'll happen again. Gun Rights is just a sh*tty 220 year old thought on a piece of paper. The Fourth Amendment has been trashed by modern interpretation, the First Amendment is in tatters compared to its meaning back when it was written. The Second Amendment actually had a good reason for being, but it doesn't any more. Tyranny is not overthrown by your home collection of weapons. However, many innocent people quite often could be.

I'm fed up with it, I suspect many others are too.


Since you ignored me the first time, I'll say it again: Have your vote. You STILL aren't getting our guns. How do you propose to do that? Good luck!
 
2012-12-15 03:41:04 PM  

ultraholland: Obama engineered all of this so the UN can grab our guns, or something.


At this point? He might as well just go ahead and try to grab them. Every time any attempt at any gun control or gun-violence debate is made, no matter how minor the request, it's met with the exact same full-frontal assault by the opposition as if Obama had personally broken into people's houses to remove the guns from their houses himself. You have to know any gun debate is going to turn into a slugfest whether you want it to be one or not. So he might as well just give the NRA the fight they're going to have with or without him. Come out swinging, and not back down when he's told 'how dare you politicize this'. It's going to get politicized anyway. Just roll with it. Besides, you may be worried about the NRA's money and power, but people worried about conservative superPAC's buying the elections we had just last month and look how much egg they got on their face. The money can be beaten. In fact, the money can get its ass handed to it. Money don't vote.
 
2012-12-15 03:41:19 PM  

NotoriousFire: Second amendment already justifies a gun owners "need" to own. You need to justify your point - the US Bill of Rights justifies against your point.


The Bill of Rights justified owning a musket.
 
2012-12-15 03:41:23 PM  
John Dewey: Serious farking ly?

Yes, because your assertion is just as reasonable when cars are inserted. I'm obviously not going to convince you of your error, so I'll just let you have this one. I am selfish. I like my weapons. I do not allow mentally unstable people even know I have them, let alone handle them.
 
2012-12-15 03:41:29 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Popcorn Johnny: What would the average number of people killed in mass shootings be if nobody had guns?

The same amount of people who were drinking during prohibition.


you don't say?

www.nypost.com
 
2012-12-15 03:41:48 PM  

John Dewey: Why am I the one having to justify not owning killing devices? Shouldn't the gun owners have to justify their need to own? Talk about backwards land.


In free societies, rights of action and of ownership are allowed by default, and restriction requires justification. Perhaps you prefer residence in an authoritarian society.
 
2012-12-15 03:41:52 PM  

NotoriousFire: John Dewey: Why am I the one having to justify not owning killing devices? Shouldn't the gun owners have to justify their need to own? Talk about backwards land.

Second amendment already justifies a gun owners "need" to own. You need to justify your point - the US Bill of Rights justifies against your point.


Then why are things like full-auto weapons and rocket launchers illegal to purchase without heavy restrictions? Why can't other weapons also be restricted?
 
2012-12-15 03:42:06 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Britney Spear's Speculum: Popcorn Johnny: What would the average number of people killed in mass shootings be if nobody had guns?

The same amount of people who were drinking during prohibition.

Funny, you don't see a whole lot of shooting deaths in the UK


Guns aren't outlawed in the UK. Not to mention how many more people are in the UK vs the US?
 
2012-12-15 03:42:13 PM  

justtray: Absolute best is comparing to car fatalities. You have to have an IQ in the single digits to think thats a legitimate argument. Cars are essential to every single person's way of life, are owned by nearly everyone, and used every day. Compare the number of fatalities per mile driven to the number of fatalities per bullet shot, and get back to me.


Considering the number of bullets expended in training by the numerous law enforcement agencies in the US (everything from local police to Coast Guard to FBI), I imagine the fatalities-per-bullet-shot is extremely low. Even less than fatalities-per-mile-driven. Would be interesting to see...
 
2012-12-15 03:42:22 PM  

I_Hate_Iowa: phenn: shower_in_my_socks: NotoriousFire: So how far will outlawing guns really go towards stopping anything?


You realize that yesterday a man in China stabbed 22 school children and NONE OF THEM DIED, right?

You might have missed the point. He still tried to harm or kill them. Doesn't matter what he did it with. There was something intrinsically WRONG with the farker. Wrong with HIM.

It doesn't mean all people who own knives are going to try stabbing a bunch of children.

You cannot punish the whole of society because there are crazies in the world. That just doesn't make any sense.

Deciding to take handguns away isn't punishing any more than saying people can't build bombs or own RPGs.

I farking love shooting handguns, but I have no other reason to have one. Blowing shiat up would probably also be fun, but I have no other reason to be allowed to build bombs. Let people keep their shotguns and deer rifles. Hunting is legit, but those are a little harder to conceal for sneaking them into a school or hospital.

If guns are severely restricted, shootings go down. Ask the countries where that exact thing has happened.


And yet a good portion of mass killings are with rifles and shotguns. People will still find ways to kill even if you took all guns away. shootinfgs go down maybe but I bet mass poisonings or bombings still happen. Look at the Japan subway thing a while back. Sarin attack
 
2012-12-15 03:42:34 PM  

John Dewey: iq_in_binary: I'm a gunsmith, I can ensure the only time any firearm in my control will function is when I want it to. So can anybody with any mechanical aptitude and the ability to find their own ass without the aid of a flashlight.

Excellent. I just stabbed you in your sleep with my knife and now have your gun to go kill 20 kids.

Congrats.


It's called a safety, on my carry gun there are 2, a grip safety and a thumb safety. Takes less than a tenth of a second to engage or disengage the thumb safety and the grip safety is engaged by gripping the gun. You're dead at the doorway and I'm filling out way too much paperwork. And 70+ million other people just like me aren't killing any school children every day.
 
2012-12-15 03:42:38 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: justtray: We are going to. Then we're going to use that argument against you, and you don't get to make a sound about it.

Well, put up or shut up

Conservatives won't have presidental power again anytime soon, and we're going to replace Thomas, Alito, possibly more with liberals who will override their previous ruling on guns.

Its only a matter of time, deal with it.

lolwut


I meant Scalia.

And yes we will put up, and not shut up. When we do, you will be the one shutting up, or dying for your cause. Either way, win win
 
2012-12-15 03:42:55 PM  

Friction8r: Generation_D: I realize that I won't outshout the internet tough guy gun rights brigade. Thats not the point.

A whole lot of us out here think you guys are idiots, and I bet I live to see the day you all are outvoted.

Its happened before, it'll happen again. Gun Rights is just a sh*tty 220 year old thought on a piece of paper. The Fourth Amendment has been trashed by modern interpretation, the First Amendment is in tatters compared to its meaning back when it was written. The Second Amendment actually had a good reason for being, but it doesn't any more. Tyranny is not overthrown by your home collection of weapons. However, many innocent people quite often could be.

I'm fed up with it, I suspect many others are too.

Since you ignored me the first time, I'll say it again: Have your vote. You STILL aren't getting our guns. How do you propose to do that? Good luck!


It's funny how you gun nuts think that the US Military will have such a problem confiscating your semi-auto AR when it pretty much dismantled two foreign militaries.
 
2012-12-15 03:43:08 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: NotoriousFire: John Dewey: Why am I the one having to justify not owning killing devices? Shouldn't the gun owners have to justify their need to own? Talk about backwards land.

Second amendment already justifies a gun owners "need" to own. You need to justify your point - the US Bill of Rights justifies against your point.

Then why are things like full-auto weapons and rocket launchers illegal to purchase without heavy restrictions? Why can't other weapons also be restricted?


Lawmakers argued for a "need" for those extant restrictions. If you believe that further restriction is warranted -- and that such restriction will survive judicial scrutiny -- then you are free to argue a "need" for them.
 
2012-12-15 03:44:23 PM  

ultraholland: I do not allow mentally unstable people even know I have them, let alone handle them.


I know and fully believe you and the overwhelming majority of the gun owners in this country act what they feel is a responsible manner with their firearms. I know and fully believe that 99.99813857194% of gun owners would never knowingly let someone who is mentally unstable around their firearms.

But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. That doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Time and time again.

When will enough be enough? What cost is too high?

26 hours ago I believed there was such a thing as responsible gun ownership. No more.
 
2012-12-15 03:44:25 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: phenn: shower_in_my_socks: NotoriousFire: So how far will outlawing guns really go towards stopping anything?


You realize that yesterday a man in China stabbed 22 school children and NONE OF THEM DIED, right?

You might have missed the point. He still tried to harm or kill them. Doesn't matter what he did it with. There was something intrinsically WRONG with the farker. Wrong with HIM.

It doesn't mean all people who own knives are going to try stabbing a bunch of children.

You cannot punish the whole of society because there are crazies in the world. That just doesn't make any sense.

I have a hard time seeing how keeping you owning a limited number of weapons and having you go through extensive training/psych checks to own said weapons is "punishment." It's actually called "be a responsible member of society."


Why set a limit? People can really only fire one at once. Why punish collectors? What's the limit? What about people who already have more than the limit?
 
2012-12-15 03:44:32 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: It's funny how you gun nuts think that the US Military will have such a problem confiscating your semi-auto AR when it pretty much dismantled two foreign militaries.


Posse Comitatus Act... good luck with that.
 
2012-12-15 03:44:54 PM  

DoomPaul: Generation_D: DoomPaul: Thankfully security was on hand this time, but you get the point.

[i45.tinypic.com image 539x539]

Now put that up against stats showing how many people in a Western country outside the USA are killed by guns, at all. See how it does.

[i48.tinypic.com image 659x819]


Derpa Derpa Doooooo... time to wake up, everybody. Let's go get skewed data to support our argument, sit back, fold our arms, and be all smugtarded. W0ot!
 
2012-12-15 03:46:00 PM  
Haven't been reading up on the school shooting, so forgive me, but have they determined how he got his gun yet? Was it his to begin with? Did he buy it legally? Because if either of those answers are "no", this "What if" gun control debate is moot.
 
2012-12-15 03:46:04 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Not to mention how many more people are in the UK vs the US?


I'm sorry that you don't understand what "per capita" means

The United Kingdom has one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world with 0.22 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants compared to the United States' 2.7 and to Germany's 1.1 

And I didn't say "banned," I've always said "heavily restricted"
 
2012-12-15 03:46:36 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Friction8r: Generation_D: I realize that I won't outshout the internet tough guy gun rights brigade. Thats not the point.

A whole lot of us out here think you guys are idiots, and I bet I live to see the day you all are outvoted.

Its happened before, it'll happen again. Gun Rights is just a sh*tty 220 year old thought on a piece of paper. The Fourth Amendment has been trashed by modern interpretation, the First Amendment is in tatters compared to its meaning back when it was written. The Second Amendment actually had a good reason for being, but it doesn't any more. Tyranny is not overthrown by your home collection of weapons. However, many innocent people quite often could be.

I'm fed up with it, I suspect many others are too.

Since you ignored me the first time, I'll say it again: Have your vote. You STILL aren't getting our guns. How do you propose to do that? Good luck!

It's funny how you gun nuts think that the US Military will have such a problem confiscating your semi-auto AR when it pretty much dismantled two foreign militaries.


You haven't met your average enlisted man or woman. A lot of officers would die before people figured out the whole confiscation thing wasn't going to happen.
 
2012-12-15 03:46:59 PM  

saturn badger: When was the last time you saw a NRA member shoot someone?


I see them defending the rampant and completely unnecessary uncontrolled access to weapons that no sane society needs, and I see them doing it all the farking time. fark guns and fark the people who defend them.
 
2012-12-15 03:47:15 PM  

justtray: The_Sponge: contrapunctus: It warms my heart to know that gun control is yet another issue they're bound to lose on eventually.


Really? You're proud that an important right is about to be stripped away? That's sad.

Whats important about it?


Still waiting.
 
2012-12-15 03:47:18 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: John Dewey: Yes because we never change laws based on new understandings or new evidence that makes us rethink previous laws.

good luck getting the 2nd Amendement to the bill of rights changed.


Actually it's the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution, the first ten amendments are commonly/mistakenly referred to as the Bill of Rights. Bill of Rights is such a nasty term since it implies that people are subjects under the government and that the government bestows rights to the peons as it sees fit.
 
2012-12-15 03:47:30 PM  

Dimensio: If you believe that further restriction is warranted -- and that such restriction will survive judicial scrutiny -- then you are free to argue a "need" for them


How about two mass shootings in two days using legally-obtained firearms?

That was the need argued when the UK banned most firearms, and they now enjoy one of the lowest gun-death rates in the world.
 
2012-12-15 03:47:46 PM  

jbc: This was bound to happen since we've systematically removed Mike Huckleberry's God™ from all the hospitals.


It's a Catholic hospital, so it wasn't Mike Farkleberry's God.
 
2012-12-15 03:47:47 PM  
WTF is this sh... Oh, hell naw! I'm going back to bed

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feel free to join me.
 
2012-12-15 03:48:17 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: How about two mass shootings in two days using legally-obtained firearms?


How about an intended third?
 
2012-12-15 03:48:31 PM  

John Dewey: ultraholland: I do not allow mentally unstable people even know I have them, let alone handle them.

I know and fully believe you and the overwhelming majority of the gun owners in this country act what they feel is a responsible manner with their firearms. I know and fully believe that 99.99813857194% of gun owners would never knowingly let someone who is mentally unstable around their firearms.

But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. That doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Time and time again.

When will enough be enough? What cost is too high?

26 hours ago I believed there was such a thing as responsible gun ownership. No more.


Now replace every instance of "gun owners" with "Muslims." Voila! You're a modern racist, xenophobic American. Also known as a Republican.
 
2012-12-15 03:48:51 PM  

Dimensio: John Dewey: Why am I the one having to justify not owning killing devices? Shouldn't the gun owners have to justify their need to own? Talk about backwards land.

In free societies, rights of action and of ownership are allowed by default, and restriction requires justification. Perhaps you prefer residence in an authoritarian society.


Justification: Guns were built with one purpose: To kill. Current gun technology allows the killing to happen at sickening rates.

Fin.
 
2012-12-15 03:49:16 PM  

John Dewey: phenn: Read the thread. People are actually suggesting that the constitution and the amendments (our laws) need to be done away with. Not amended.

Where are they suggesting to do away with the constitution? I know I haven't read this thread THAT carefully, but....I seriously doubt someone did that.



I'll go on record as saying the entire constitution needs to be shredded and rewritten. Beyond the obvious reason that it was written by people whose ideas of "freedom", "equality", and "rights" are unrecognizable from ours, it's a vague, flaccid, document that is mostly useless at guiding the country.

Consider this - more than a few Supreme Court decisions are by 5-4 votes. That means that the top legal experts in the country, who have studied the constitution most of their lives, cannot agree on what it says. If you were in your calculus 101 class, and every 15 minutes a group of full professors had to be convened to decide what the texbook was saying, you'd be remarkably stupid to not request a new textbook.

The procedure is about the same as reading tea leaves, so it's time that we recognized that tea leaves do not have any intrinsic epistemological value.
 
2012-12-15 03:49:32 PM  

camaroash: I rarely hear mention of "I can't get a gun so I'll build a bomb" scenarios.

Explosives and triggers are incredibly easy to make in advance from very benign materials.

Tack an extra zero on the end of body counts. Scary.

Fix the people and they won't do evil shiat.


You're conflating two kinds of people. One is the kind of person who deliberately and purposefully goes out to kill people. The other is the one who just snaps and grabs something and kills people. They sometimes cross, but that Venn diagram is really very small. The person who snaps and then deliberately and purposefully sets out to kill large numbers of people, although a staple of action movies and video games, is very rare.

The kid yesterday is an example of the latter. Yes, he appears to have had mental issues for some time; but something triggered him at the end, he snatched up the guns that were handy and started killing people. Had he been in a household without guns, he wouldn't have sat patiently around and assembled several bombs to run down to the school and kill kids.

Now, there are people who want to kill large number of people; but they wouldn't be randomly targeting grade schools. Despite what people like to believe, terrorists pick their targets with specific ends in mind, and don't need guns to do their deeds. But this is a different social issue.
 
2012-12-15 03:49:33 PM  

John Dewey: ultraholland: I do not allow mentally unstable people even know I have them, let alone handle them.

I know and fully believe you and the overwhelming majority of the gun owners in this country act what they feel is a responsible manner with their firearms. I know and fully believe that 99.99813857194% of gun owners would never knowingly let someone who is mentally unstable around their firearms.

But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. That doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Time and time again.

When will enough be enough? What cost is too high?

26 hours ago I believed there was such a thing as responsible gun ownership. No more.


Your irrational belief is not a valid basis for public policy.
 
2012-12-15 03:49:39 PM  
Copycat? Please. Completely unrelated. I'm guessing at this right now, but...

The guy paniced on seeing cops and opened fire.

He's alright got warrants out for him. Possibly serious ones. Came to the hospital to look for someone - maybe a friend who got shot up in a turf war, maybe an enemy who did. When the cops showed up, he thought he was cornered - so he opens fire. If there had been no cops there, there would've been likely been no gunfire - but, well, I'll bet anything this guy was already a serious felon. He just happened to get picked up at a hospital instead of a ghetto, and that made it news. Nothing special here, really. People just on edge and looking for copycats, looking for more stuff to get into a gun control fight over - but this really wasn't anything too special. Dangerous suspect opens fire at cops, gets shot and killed.
 
2012-12-15 03:51:01 PM  

John Dewey:
Justification: Guns were built with one purpose: To kill. Current gun technology allows the killing to happen at sickening rates.


So let's set a scenario - you're at your home, with your wife and two children (made up - it's a scenario). You hear glass break downstairs, you look down your stairwell - there are two intruders, one with a gun and one with a knife. You have a firearm in your nightstand. Do you use this weapon to protect your family? Or do you not, because "guns are bad!" Which do you choose?
 
2012-12-15 03:51:09 PM  

John Dewey: Why am I the one having to justify not owning killing devices? Shouldn't the gun owners have to justify their need to own? Talk about backwards land.


I'm fully in favor of removing the 2nd Amendment from the Constitution. Outdated crap that holds us back, makes us the slow kid in the world.
 
2012-12-15 03:51:14 PM  

iq_in_binary: Now replace every instance of "gun owners" with "Muslims." Voila! You're a modern racist, xenophobic American. Also known as a Republican.


Why do gun owners keep feeling the need to replace words?

Why can you not see that guns are a thing unto themselves?

They aren't bananas. Those were made to eat.

They aren't nuclear weapons. They were made to kill on a scale of thousands.

Guns were made to expedite person to person killing.
 
2012-12-15 03:51:24 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Dimensio: If you believe that further restriction is warranted -- and that such restriction will survive judicial scrutiny -- then you are free to argue a "need" for them

How about two mass shootings in two days using legally-obtained firearms?

That was the need argued when the UK banned most firearms, and they now enjoy one of the lowest gun-death rates in the world.


The Sandy Hook shooting was with illegally obtained weapons.
 
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