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2012-12-15 03:14:11 PM
Makes me wonder if we are going to see more crazies do more crazy shiat leading up to the 21st.

/self fulfilling prophecy?
 
2012-12-15 03:14:27 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: phenn: shower_in_my_socks: NotoriousFire: So how far will outlawing guns really go towards stopping anything?


You realize that yesterday a man in China stabbed 22 school children and NONE OF THEM DIED, right?

You might have missed the point. He still tried to harm or kill them. Doesn't matter what he did it with. There was something intrinsically WRONG with the farker. Wrong with HIM.

It doesn't mean all people who own knives are going to try stabbing a bunch of children.

You cannot punish the whole of society because there are crazies in the world. That just doesn't make any sense.

I have a hard time seeing how keeping you owning a limited number of weapons and having you go through extensive training/psych checks to own said weapons is "punishment." It's actually called "be a responsible member of society."


Extensive training/psych checks to own a weapon paid for by one's own money, yet when it comes time to drug test welfare recipients to ensure your (taxpayer) money isn't going to drugs all kinds of shiat hits the fan. Good luck with that...
 
2012-12-15 03:14:45 PM

shower_in_my_socks: phenn: You cannot punish the whole of society because there are crazies in the world. That just doesn't make any sense.


SURE YOU CAN. Have you noticed a change in security at airports since 9/11? Compare our DUI laws now with 50 years ago. If the @sshole in Newtown yesterday had a knife instead of two guns, he would not have killed 26 people. And the ability for one nutjob with zero military training to walk into a building and murder 26 people, only stopping to kill himself when he was basically done doing what he wanted to do, is not what the authors of the 2nd Amendment had in mind, mainly because that wasn't technologically possible at the time.


If that is the kind of life you seek, you are living in the wrong country.

And, I'm relatively certain the authors of the second amendment realized that implements would improve at some stage.

The law is the law. Again, find another place where the laws suit you better.
 
2012-12-15 03:15:25 PM

Podmore: Headline says it's a copycat, and describes it like one, but in this case there was a guy with a gun who WASN'T shooting. They called the cops, who had time to get there and approach him. THAT'S when the shooting started. Doesn't sound much like the nut job killing a mess of little kids in an elementary school.


Sounds more like suicide by cop.
 
2012-12-15 03:15:46 PM
John Dewey: And this is precisely why I see gun ownership as a selfish act. You feel safer and yet endanger the lives of unknown innocents.

This makes zero sense.
 
2012-12-15 03:15:53 PM
DRTFA, but when this happens around here, it's usually some 'banger visiting the E-room looking to finish a job half done.
 
2012-12-15 03:15:57 PM

Podmore: Headline says it's a copycat, and describes it like one, but in this case there was a guy with a gun who WASN'T shooting. They called the cops, who had time to get there and approach him. THAT'S when the shooting started. Doesn't sound much like the nut job killing a mess of little kids in an elementary school.


Yeah, this. The guy was on the fifth floor, so it would seem his intent wasn't to just go in and start shooting the place up, and he didn't start shooting till the cops got there--in fact, according to the report, he was specifically shooting AT the cops, not at random people.

This is kind of like what I was saying yesterday--we have a mass killing, and then the media goes into frenzy mode, labeling every incident where shots are fired a "mass shooting" with extra emphasis and exclamation points, before all the facts are in. This was NOT a mass shooting, this was probably a robbery, or even a situation where some guy had a gun on him and freaked when the cops got there.

Go, responsible media.
 
2012-12-15 03:16:04 PM

phenn: The law is the law. Again, find another place where the laws suit you better.


Yes because we never change laws based on new understandings or new evidence that makes us rethink previous laws.
 
2012-12-15 03:16:20 PM

Molavian: Generation_D: Happy 221st Birthday Second Amendment. God Bless well-regulated militias everywhere.

You know, the bill of rights is just a piece of paper. If enough of us think gun ownership is too stupid to handle, with too many negative consequences, for too many people, we could amend it. Been done before.

Good luck.


We'll see. Enough crazy out there people might be motivated to try to put a stop to it.

The NRA is just another teabagging group of asshats to some. Once their noise gets overruled by deaths would not have happened anywhere else but America, things can change. Particularly with all the new arrivals here, people that didn't grow up worshipping the Gun like some of my countrymen did.
 
2012-12-15 03:16:21 PM
Jesus farking Christ, America.
 
2012-12-15 03:17:02 PM

shower_in_my_socks: Have you noticed a change in security at airports since 9/11?


The comparable reaction would be if we banned Islam after 9/11, and expelled all members of the religion. Never mind that there's a constitutional right, and never mind that a barest shred of a minority supported the attacks, let alone were involved, but hey, sometimes you have to take away actual freedoms to protect people, right?

Historically a major dividing line between the aristocracy and the serfs was the right to keep and bear arms. The aristocrats allowed for armed serfs when they started needing more troops for their wars, and the resulting empowerment cost them a lot of power. They have never forgotten this, and would happily retake that power.
 
2012-12-15 03:17:06 PM

phenn: You cannot punish the whole of society because there are crazies in the world.


But enough about the NRA....
 
2012-12-15 03:17:12 PM
jasonjeffrey.files.wordpress.com 

Seriously, can this shiat just stop? If you're freaking out about the Mayan Apocalypse or whatever that's causing you cowardly shiats to commit suicide by cop just take yourself out without involving anyone else?
 
2012-12-15 03:17:16 PM
Well, if you're going to get shot, I can think of a lot of places worse than a hospital*

*Considering you have insurance
 
2012-12-15 03:17:37 PM

Molavian: Gosling: I'm fairly certain that a gun is the opposite of a hospital.

Doctor's mistakes kill more people than guns do.

shiatty, huh?


Most of them aren't intending to do it. False equivalency is false.
 
2012-12-15 03:17:59 PM

ultraholland: John Dewey: And this is precisely why I see gun ownership as a selfish act. You feel safer and yet endanger the lives of unknown innocents.

This makes zero sense.


What do you think Nancy Lanza owned guns?

1. Hobby
2. Safety
3. Collector
4. ?????

She owned them for one of the three reasons most often given. She had zero intention of using them to harm. She had zero intention of letting someone else use them to harm. And yet, they were used to kill 27 people including herself and one asshole.

She wanted one of those three things and chose those over the potential danger. And anyone who currently own guns and continue to purchase guns is doing the same.

Responsible gun ownership is an oxymoron.
 
2012-12-15 03:18:06 PM

John Dewey: Yes because we never change laws based on new understandings or new evidence that makes us rethink previous laws.


good luck getting the 2nd Amendement to the bill of rights changed.
 
2012-12-15 03:18:15 PM

ToxicMunkee: Dancin_In_Anson: ToxicMunkee: Arm all the doctors and nurses, stat!

Funny you say that as the gunman attacked a place where he wasn't the only armed person and look how it turned out.

I just wanted to make a "stat" joke. Jeez.


His mode of operation was a little mean, wasn't it? Meaner than average, I guess.
 
2012-12-15 03:18:34 PM

globalwarmingpraiser: This year has been crazy. WTF is wrong with people.

Roger Ebert: "...events like Columbine are influenced far less by violent movies than by CNN, the NBC Nightly News and all the other news media, who glorify the killers in the guise of "explaining" them. I commended the policy at the Sun-Times, where our editor said the paper would no longer feature school killings on Page 1."

Each malcontent looking to make history has to aim higher and higher now to be the new "worst ever." Maybe they can get into WMD.
 
2012-12-15 03:18:42 PM
The gun nuts will get another night of wet dreams now. Enjoy it freaks. Hope you like living in the world you created.
 
2012-12-15 03:18:50 PM
someone on Freepers this morning suggested that the media should NOT BE ALLOWED to report on these shootings, as it encourages copycats, and riles up the population. They are more than happy to squash the 1st amendment, to keep what they think are their 2nd amendment 'rights'.
 
2012-12-15 03:19:21 PM

John Dewey: phenn: The law is the law. Again, find another place where the laws suit you better.

Yes because we never change laws based on new understandings or new evidence that makes us rethink previous laws.


Read the thread. People are actually suggesting that the constitution and the amendments (our laws) need to be done away with. Not amended.
 
2012-12-15 03:19:26 PM

Generation_D: Molavian: Gosling: I'm fairly certain that a gun is the opposite of a hospital.

Doctor's mistakes kill more people than guns do.

shiatty, huh?

Most of them aren't intending to do it. False equivalency is false.


Um, most gun owners aren't intending to commit a mass shooting. You admit some doctors do kill people deliberately. "False equivalency" does not mean "I don't like your argument so derp derp derp" like you think it does.
 
2012-12-15 03:20:04 PM

Generation_D: Happy 221st Birthday Second Amendment. God Bless well-regulated militias everywhere.

You know, the bill of rights is just a piece of paper. If enough of us think gun ownership is too stupid to handle, with too many negative consequences, for too many people, we could amend it. Been done before.


Sure you could amend that "piece of paper."But you STILL won't get our guns! You haven't seen bloodshed until you try to take guns away from the populace. House to house searches to connfiscate weapons? Good luck with that. And if you think all guns are registered, so you have a handy list of what homes to barge into, you're nuts.
 
2012-12-15 03:20:09 PM

Shrugging Atlas: ENOUGH


Oh shiat, he centered it! It's on now!
 
2012-12-15 03:20:53 PM
If one truly does outlaw guns/stricter gun control, does anyone expect the future-criminals-of-America to really not have access to such weapons? I mean, seriously? Between Mexico, Latin America, etc - guns are I imagine relatively easy to obtain. How many weapons used in serious crime are actually registered to the criminal?

It will be about as successful as outlawing cocaine and heroin. Guess what, people still have access to both. And who has access? I'll give you a hint - not law-abiding citizens...
 
2012-12-15 03:21:28 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: ToxicMunkee: Arm all the doctors and nurses, stat!

Funny you say that as the gunman attacked a place where he wasn't the only armed person and look how it turned out.


Yes, shot by a COP, a trained professional doing their job.

Not some wannabe with delusions of grandeur.
 
2012-12-15 03:21:39 PM

phenn: shower_in_my_socks: NotoriousFire: So how far will outlawing guns really go towards stopping anything?


You realize that yesterday a man in China stabbed 22 school children and NONE OF THEM DIED, right?

You might have missed the point. He still tried to harm or kill them. Doesn't matter what he did it with. There was something intrinsically WRONG with the farker. Wrong with HIM.

It doesn't mean all people who own knives are going to try stabbing a bunch of children.

You cannot punish the whole of society because there are crazies in the world. That just doesn't make any sense.


Deciding to take handguns away isn't punishing any more than saying people can't build bombs or own RPGs.

I farking love shooting handguns, but I have no other reason to have one. Blowing shiat up would probably also be fun, but I have no other reason to be allowed to build bombs. Let people keep their shotguns and deer rifles. Hunting is legit, but those are a little harder to conceal for sneaking them into a school or hospital.

If guns are severely restricted, shootings go down. Ask the countries where that exact thing has happened.
 
2012-12-15 03:21:56 PM

flucto: MaudlinMutantMollusk: becoming numb to it

I'm not becoming numb, I'm becoming angry. Something must change. Also, F*CK the NRA.


When was the last time you saw a NRA member shoot someone?
 
2012-12-15 03:22:01 PM
Sick, demented people will continue to do horrible things. With or without firearms. Link
 
2012-12-15 03:22:04 PM

phenn: Read the thread. People are actually suggesting that the constitution and the amendments (our laws) need to be done away with. Not amended.


Where are they suggesting to do away with the constitution? I know I haven't read this thread THAT carefully, but....I seriously doubt someone did that.
 
2012-12-15 03:22:17 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: basemetal: If a civilian took him out, would they still be a dumbass civilian?

Well, since that rarely if ever happens he doesn't have to answer that question.


It has happened several times just in the past couple of years. Most recent one would be the spree shooting in SLC.
 
2012-12-15 03:22:24 PM

Great_Milenko: Not some wannabe with delusions of grandeur.


You know how I know you aren't familiar with Birmingham cops?
 
2012-12-15 03:22:27 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: John Dewey: Yes because we never change laws based on new understandings or new evidence that makes us rethink previous laws.

good luck getting the 2nd Amendement to the bill of rights changed.


IDK. They said gays would never marry, they said pot would never be legalized. They said smoking would never be outlawed in bars.

A whole lot of sh*t they say that eventually happens.

I have zero emotional connection to needing to own a gun. The people that own guns and brag about it always seem like internet tough guys who are compensating. I know there are literally millions of people in Westernized countries worldwide who somehow manage to go through their happy productive lives without owning a gun.

American Exceptionalism is useful until it starts killing more Americans than it saves. Then it needs to evolve.

Europeans somehow live their lives without the need to shoot at things to feel fulfilled or feel defended.

I don't see why we're so special, other than our violent past. Which lately, seems to also be our violent present.
 
2012-12-15 03:23:10 PM
Thankfully security was on hand this time, but you get the point.

i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-15 03:23:52 PM

Boojum2k: Generation_D: Molavian: Gosling: I'm fairly certain that a gun is the opposite of a hospital.

Doctor's mistakes kill more people than guns do.

shiatty, huh?

Most of them aren't intending to do it. False equivalency is false.

Um, most gun owners aren't intending to commit a mass shooting. You admit some doctors do kill people deliberately. "False equivalency" does not mean "I don't like your argument so derp derp derp" like you think it does.


Irrelevant. We outlaw lots of behavior on account of the minority that abuses it. And most of the world outlaws, or restricts much more greatly, gun ownership particularly assault rifle ownership.
 
2012-12-15 03:24:05 PM

cochlear: someone on Freepers this morning suggested that the media should NOT BE ALLOWED to report on these shootings, as it encourages copycats, and riles up the population. They are more than happy to squash the 1st amendment, to keep what they think are their 2nd amendment 'rights'.


Yeah, I remember that time the media went into an elementary school and slaughtered 26 people. I remember it well.
 
2012-12-15 03:24:06 PM
Fark it. Martial law, go.
 
2012-12-15 03:24:10 PM
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2012-12-15 03:24:20 PM

DoomPaul: Thankfully security was on hand this time, but you get the point.


What would the average number of people killed in mass shootings be if nobody had guns?
 
2012-12-15 03:24:42 PM

DoomPaul: Thankfully security was on hand this time, but you get the point.

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Now put that up against stats showing how many people in a Western country outside the USA are killed by guns, at all. See how it does.
 
2012-12-15 03:24:42 PM

Generation_D: Molavian: Gosling: I'm fairly certain that a gun is the opposite of a hospital.

Doctor's mistakes kill more people than guns do.

shiatty, huh?

Most of them aren't intending to do it. False equivalency is false.


Guns aren't intending to kill anyone, either.
 
2012-12-15 03:25:26 PM

DoomPaul: Thankfully security was on hand this time, but you get the point.

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Average number of people killed when guns ownership is either outlawed or severely restricted: A f*ck ton small than a society than in the current US.

Number of mass killings when gun ownership is either outlawed or several restricted: A f*ck ton less than a in the current US
 
2012-12-15 03:25:37 PM

MemeSlave: ElLoco: Generation_D: Happy 221st Birthday Second Amendment. God Bless well-regulated militias everywhere.

You know, the bill of rights is just a piece of paper. If enough of us think gun ownership is too stupid to handle, with too many negative consequences, for too many people, we could amend it. Been done before.

Amen. I've been saying the same thing about several of the Amendments in the Bill of Rights. They're all outdated and don't fit in with today's society.

So is that an indictment of the Amendments, or society?


It's more an indictment of morans who bring up Constitutional rights over an incident in a facility that not only does not have to observe 2nd Amendment rights (firearms are forbidden within St. Vincent's... or anything that can be used as a lethal weapon), but also employs armed security and metal screening at all entrances.

It's almost like some law written on a piece of paper somewhere made little difference to the perp.
 
2012-12-15 03:25:59 PM
good thing is wasn't a bunch of soldiers firing on civilians...

or people from some other country...

then no one would care...

/miss the cancer threads
//sad face
 
2012-12-15 03:26:02 PM

Molavian: Generation_D: Molavian: Gosling: I'm fairly certain that a gun is the opposite of a hospital.

Doctor's mistakes kill more people than guns do.

shiatty, huh?

Most of them aren't intending to do it. False equivalency is false.

Guns aren't intending to kill anyone, either.


WILL SOMEONE THINK OF THE INNOCENT GUNS?
 
2012-12-15 03:26:08 PM

ToxicMunkee: Dancin_In_Anson: ToxicMunkee: Arm all the doctors and nurses, stat!

Funny you say that as the gunman attacked a place where he wasn't the only armed person and look how it turned out.

I just wanted to make a "stat" joke. Jeez.


And he was the only armed person until the police showed up.
 
2012-12-15 03:26:17 PM
I rarely hear mention of "I can't get a gun so I'll build a bomb" scenarios.

Explosives and triggers are incredibly easy to make in advance from very benign materials.

Tack an extra zero on the end of body counts. Scary.

Fix the people and they won't do evil shiat.
 
2012-12-15 03:26:20 PM

Generation_D: IDK. They said gays would never marry, they said pot would never be legalized. They said smoking would never be outlawed in bars.

Ah yes, the 11th, 12th and 13th amendments in the Bill of Rights... Most people don't know about those.

A whole lot of sh*t they say that eventually happens.

I have zero emotional connection to needing to own a gun. The ople that own guns and brag about it always seem like internet tough guys who are compensating. I know there are literally millions of people in Westernized countries worldwide who somehow manage to go through their happy productive lives without owning a gun.
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American Exceptionalism is useful until it starts killing more Americans than it saves. Then it needs to evolve.

Europeans somehow live their lives without the need to shoot at things to feel fulfilled or feel defended.

I don't see why we're so special, other than our violent past. Which lately, seems to also be our violent present.


Look, if you want to increase gun control, change the constitution.
 
2012-12-15 03:26:23 PM

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