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(Telegraph)   Human remains found in a parking lot in Leicester, UK, have been confirmed as King Richard III, who was buried at the site in 1485   (telegraph.co.uk ) divider line
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2012-12-15 12:47:29 PM  
7 votes:
♫ They paved Plantagenet to put up a parking lot ♫
2012-12-15 02:43:11 PM  
6 votes:


upload.wikimedia.org
Best Richard III ever!



Peter Cook is one of the all-time greats and he does a magnificent job as the burlesque Richard the III in Blackadder, Series one, "The Foretelling".

By the way, in case you don't know, Tom Baker, an early Dr. Who who later did the daft voice over for Little Britain, plays Captain Redbeard, the loony sea captain in another Blackadder. The small repertory company of great British comic comic actors is one of the reasons why the Britcom actor is one of the world's human and cultural treasures. A cameo by one of these few, these lucky few, is truly a gem.
2012-12-15 12:59:53 PM  
6 votes:

rickythepenguin: corq: I know there's a better basis for the lyrics in "All along the Watchtower," but I swear I always thought it was about Richard III's assassination of the Princes in the Tower:


Huh. Never thought of that. Dave Matthews is a pretty damn talented songwriter though so I guess it is plausible.


MaudlinMutantMollusk: ♫ They paved Plantagenet to put up a parking lot ♫

lol awesome. I'm a huge Counting Crows fan!

hah,


I... I think I hate you right now.
2012-12-15 12:40:18 PM  
5 votes:
I know there's a better basis for the lyrics in "All along the Watchtower," but I swear I always thought it was about Richard III's assassination of the Princes in the Tower:

"All along the watchtower
Princes kept the view
While all the women came and went
Barefoot servants too

Outside in the cold distance
A wildcat did growl
Two riders were approaching
And the wind began to howl..."


//but I have crazed theories on everything
2012-12-15 06:02:43 PM  
4 votes:

Scipio: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

This. I mean really, no one thought to check the area for graves before putting a parking lot over the area? You'd think they would scan the area prior if they truly thought that this the area was where the Church of Grey Friars was located.


A history of the area.

This is not a case of a church being razed to install a car park.

From that page:

The tomb is presumed to have been demolished along with the Church following its dissolution after 1536.

[...]

The buildings fronting onto Grey Friars, Friar Lane, New Street, and St Martins surround an area that for over a century has been car parks, back yards, and a school yard, and were gardens for 300 years before that.


It's a case of 100 miles seeming a long distance to a Briton, while 100 years seems a long time to Americans.
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-12-15 11:58:09 AM  
4 votes:
Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this sun of York;
And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house
In the deep bosom of the ocean buried.
Now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths;
Our bruised arms hung up for monuments;
Our stern alarums changed to merry meetings,
Our dreadful marches to delightful measures.
Grim-visaged war hath smooth'd his wrinkled front;
And now, instead of mounting barded steeds
To fright the souls of fearful adversaries,
He capers nimbly in a lady's chamber
To the lascivious pleasing of a lute.
But I, that am not shaped for sportive tricks,
Nor made to court an amorous looking-glass;
I, that am rudely stamp'd, and want love's majesty
To strut before a wanton ambling nymph;
I, that am curtail'd of this fair proportion,
Cheated of feature by dissembling nature,
Deformed, unfinish'd, sent before my time
Into this breathing world, scarce half made up,
And that so lamely and unfashionable
That dogs bark at me as I halt by them;
Why, I, in this weak piping time of peace,
Have no delight to pass away the time,
Unless to spy my shadow in the sun
And descant on mine own deformity:
And therefore, since I cannot prove a lover,
To entertain these fair well-spoken days,
I am determined to prove a villain
And hate the idle pleasures of these days.
Plots have I laid, inductions dangerous,
By drunken prophecies, libels and dreams,
To set my brother Clarence and the king
In deadly hate the one against the other:
And if King Edward be as true and just
As I am subtle, false and treacherous,
This day should Clarence closely be mew'd up,
About a prophecy, which says that 'G'
Of Edward's heirs the murderer shall be.
Dive, thoughts, down to my soul: here
Clarence comes.
2012-12-15 03:02:45 PM  
3 votes:

Scipio: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

This. I mean really, no one thought to check the area for graves before putting a parking lot over the area? You'd think they would scan the area prior if they truly thought that this the area was where the Church of Grey Friars was located.


Nobody really knew where the church of the Gray Friars was located. They knew it was somewhere in the general area, but you can't do extensive surveys any time you want to do anything in an entire town. Sometimes things fade away in history- documents get lost, the Gray Friars becomes known by something else, eventually falls apart or gets torn down during some Catholic- Protestant battle, the tombstones wear away, the oral tradition gets lost, and the church gets torn down for something bigger, or gets lost to a fire, or a snowstorm collapses the roof and they just build a new one somewhere else. History loses track- go look up the burial sites of the popes. By comparison, losing a king or two after being buried in some fairly remote site after battle doesn't seem that crazy- the church lost popes they buried in the biggest and most famous church in the Vatican. They took 'em out while the were building the new structure (the current St. Peters) and managed to lose a pretty good number.

iheartscotch: / it was always about the hump with Richard III; I know he really didn't have the hump


Actually, turns out he did. The skeleton they dug up has a deformed spine, and not from any battle trauma.
2012-12-15 02:44:35 PM  
3 votes:

cman: WHAR SNARK IS?


The Snark is a Boojum.

Anybody who has seen it has quietly and softly vanished away.
2012-12-15 02:40:34 PM  
3 votes:

MBK: Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this sun of York;
And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house
In the deep bosom of the ocean buried.
Now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths;
Our bruised arms hung up for monuments;
Our stern alarums changed to merry meetings,
Our dreadful marches to delightful measures.
Grim-visaged war hath smooth'd his wrinkled front;
...


Hey, I don't think you wrote that...
2012-12-15 02:20:03 PM  
3 votes:

HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?


This. I mean really, no one thought to check the area for graves before putting a parking lot over the area? You'd think they would scan the area prior if they truly thought that this the area was where the Church of Grey Friars was located.
2012-12-15 02:10:12 PM  
3 votes:
Final insult: all the cars in the lot are Tudors.
2012-12-15 11:45:51 AM  
3 votes:
And they impounded his car due to $14,863,212.19 in unpaid parking tickets.
2012-12-15 03:26:13 PM  
2 votes:
derpy

Is there some mystery about Richard III's death that needs answered? What do we hope to learn by digging up an old king, otehr than to say "we did it?"

By examining his skeleton we can learn all sorts of interesting things about his life. His diet, his lifestyle, old injuries he had...hell, we can even forensically reconstruct his face and show the world what he really looked like. We can learn a lot of new historical information.
2012-12-15 03:26:04 PM  
2 votes:
Why did they have to remove him?Without a king, you just have a "par lot."
2012-12-15 03:24:01 PM  
2 votes:

SevenizGud: What DNA would they try to match? Would it be Y-chromosomal DNA or mtDNA, or both?

What I'd really like to know is, where is the list of DNA types for famous kings and such? Particularly, I'd like to know the Y-chromosome microsatellite repeat values for the various DYS ranging from DYS388 to DYS464D for ancient Welsh kings. There are so many competing claims to purely paternal descent from King Coel...but do any of them have a legitimate claim, or is it just wishful thinking on the part of would-be descendants?

What, for example, would be the Y-chromosome DYS profile of Ithel Vychan and Edowain Bendew?


Who Do You Think You Are traced Matthew Pinsent back to William the Conqueror, so it shouldn't be impossible.
2012-12-15 03:10:29 PM  
2 votes:
I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
`My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away".

-Percy Bysshe Shelley
2012-12-15 02:58:21 PM  
2 votes:

Boojum2k: brantgoose: cman: WHAR SNARK IS?

The Snark is a Boojum.

Anybody who has seen it has quietly (softly) and softly (suddenly) vanished away.

Pardon?


You are pardoned. But I am afraid that I have to assign remedial reading:

The Hunting of the Snark by Lewis Carroll

My joke is an allusion to the last line of my favouritest poem of all time. The last line came to the poet first and he created it from there.

In the midst of the word he was trying to say,
In the midst of his laughter and glee,
He had softly and suddenly vanished away -
For the Snark was a Boojum, you see.

ebooks.adelaide.edu.au

Great poem, great illustrator, Sir John Tenniel, famous for his illustrations of Alice in Wonderland and Alice Through the Looking Glass.


ebooks.adelaide.edu.au



I misquoted it. Perhaps that was the source of your confusion?
2012-12-15 02:41:35 PM  
2 votes:
Seems Weird, that i've parked my car at least 50 times on top of King Richard in the last decade....

And once every christmas!
2012-12-15 02:10:56 PM  
2 votes:
How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?
2012-12-15 01:42:21 PM  
2 votes:
Ironically, the 527-year-old remains of a horse were found nearby.
2012-12-15 01:42:08 PM  
2 votes:

jehovahs witness protection: And they impounded his car due to $14,863,212.19 in unpaid parking tickets.


You have 30 minutes to move your King.

You have five minutes to move your King.

You have 30 minutes to move your cube.
2012-12-15 09:44:23 PM  
1 vote:

Spiralmonkey:

You do recall correctly. The name originally came from the political office held - the High Steward of Scotland. The family name became Stewart until Mary Queen of Scots who used the French spelling of Stuart while she lived in France, so the name became Stuart thereafter. The lack of standardised spelling didn't help much either, so both spellings were freely used.



It's kind of amusing to read letters by royalty and nobility at the time (especially during their youth), where they don't even use the same spelling for a person or place in different letters ... or even in the same letter. It was all about phonetics.
2012-12-15 09:37:11 PM  
1 vote:

kmmontandon: dericwater: As for StUArts, they were not too popular.


IIRC, it was spelled "Stewart" frequently in contemporaneous documents.

Written English at the time - and before - had very little standardization in spelling, even when it came to proper names.


You do recall correctly. The name originally came from the political office held - the High Steward of Scotland. The family name became Stewart until Mary Queen of Scots who used the French spelling of Stuart while she lived in France, so the name became Stuart thereafter. The lack of standardised spelling didn't help much either, so both spellings were freely used.

/when I was a kid and asked my dad about this after seeing both names in school books he told me they'd changed the name because the rent collector was after them.
2012-12-15 08:11:34 PM  
1 vote:

iheartscotch: Alfred the Great was the king of Wessex; maybe not a huge difference from king of England; but, as England really wasn't a nation at that time, can you really say he was the king of England?


Better the king of Wessex (or Sussex or Essex) than the king of Nossex.
2012-12-15 07:25:02 PM  
1 vote:

Gortex: Other than having taken leave of his sanity during most of his reign, George III isn't all that remarkable.


He got to be fairly well known because of the manner in which some of his subjects told him to go fark himself.
2012-12-15 06:54:34 PM  
1 vote:
FizixJunkee:


And some very famous Queens, too: Bloody Mary, Elizabeth I, and Victoria And Elton John.


FTFY
2012-12-15 06:10:30 PM  
1 vote:

Sgygus: the most famous English kings; I'd go Henry VIII, George III, and Richard the Lionhearted

King Arthur ;)


King Arthur is right out. Mainly because of the uncertainty of his existence; but also, even if he existed, England wasn't really a country in the 5th or 6th century. Can you be king of England if England isn't a country yet?

/ besides, he was really the king of the Britons
2012-12-15 05:05:42 PM  
1 vote:

kmmontandon: The Southern Dandy: How will DNA prove it's Richard III? Do they already have a DNA sample from him to compare?


The burial sites of his relatives - like Clarence and Edward IV - probably provide DNA information.


I found the answer on Wiki.

"In parallel, British historian John Ashdown-Hill tracked down Richard's maternal bloodline, which had survived into the 21st century, via genealogical research. A British-born woman who migrated to Canada after the Second World War, Joy Ibsen, was found to be a 16th-generation grandniece of the king. Although Ibsen died in 2008, her son Michael gave a mouth-swab sample to the research team on 24 August 2012. His mtDNA, passed down on the maternal side, can be used to compare samples from any human remains from the excavation site, and potentially to identify King Richard."
2012-12-15 04:59:20 PM  
1 vote:
There's a theory that a lot of Richard's bad press was PR from Henry Tudor's side-
William Shakespeare being very firmly in the Tudor camp. Not a good idea to question the legitimacy of one of your biggest patrons...especially if they can cause you an untimely and painful death.

Check out Josephine Tey's The Daughter of Time.

While the premise of this book itself is fiction, the research that it covers is genuine.
2012-12-15 03:53:54 PM  
1 vote:

gweeptish: Richard III's part in the death of the 2 Princes was contrived by Fox News


www.strangecosmos.com
2012-12-15 03:35:14 PM  
1 vote:

give me doughnuts: Has he got shiat all over him?


Of course not. He's a king!
2012-12-15 03:33:17 PM  
1 vote:
Has he got shiat all over him?
2012-12-15 03:23:51 PM  
1 vote:

OtherLittleGuy: Ironically, the 527-year-old remains of a horse were found nearby.


So he did make the trade.
2012-12-15 03:21:19 PM  
1 vote:

derpy: I don't want to be a dick but why is this necessary?

Is there some mystery about Richard III's death that needs answered? What do we hope to learn by digging up an old king, otehr than to say "we did it?"


Probably because they want to rebury him somewhere that isn't under a parking lot.
2012-12-15 03:09:48 PM  
1 vote:
What DNA would they try to match? Would it be Y-chromosomal DNA or mtDNA, or both?

What I'd really like to know is, where is the list of DNA types for famous kings and such? Particularly, I'd like to know the Y-chromosome microsatellite repeat values for the various DYS ranging from DYS388 to DYS464D for ancient Welsh kings. There are so many competing claims to purely paternal descent from King Coel...but do any of them have a legitimate claim, or is it just wishful thinking on the part of would-be descendants?

What, for example, would be the Y-chromosome DYS profile of Ithel Vychan and Edowain Bendew?
2012-12-15 03:05:11 PM  
1 vote:

rickythepenguin: corq: I know there's a better basis for the lyrics in "All along the Watchtower," but I swear I always thought it was about Richard III's assassination of the Princes in the Tower:


Huh. Never thought of that. Dave Matthews is a pretty damn talented songwriter though so I guess it is plausible.


You gotta be trollin'. ;)
2012-12-15 02:57:24 PM  
1 vote:
Isn't this how Cockneys Vs Zombies started?
2012-12-15 02:51:44 PM  
1 vote:

iheartscotch: Gyrfalcon: iheartscotch: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

Most famous? Those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

/ he was only king for 2 years; he did make some reforms; but, he really didn't do much

He had a whole play named after him! Jeez!

Yep; but, I imagine that you are well aware that the play is less than accurate in its portrayal of the titular character. :P


Yes, I know.

[rolls eyes]
[bangs head to knock them loose from top of skull]
2012-12-15 02:50:34 PM  
1 vote:

HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?


Would like a word.
www.romanvirdi.com
2012-12-15 02:49:44 PM  
1 vote:

kmmontandon: OtherLittleGuy: Ironically, the 527-year-old remains of a horse were found nearby.


I don't think Camilla is that old.


kateesackhoff.com
2012-12-15 02:45:57 PM  
1 vote:
2012-12-15 02:45:39 PM  
1 vote:

Ed Finnerty: jehovahs witness protection: And they impounded his car due to $14,863,212.19 in unpaid parking tickets.

You have 30 minutes to move your King.

You have five minutes to move your King.

You have 30 minutes to move your cube.


That's why I hate timed chess games.
2012-12-15 02:44:42 PM  
1 vote:
Now that this mystery is solved can we finally get around to knowing who is buried in Grant's Tomb?
2012-12-15 02:41:20 PM  
1 vote:

iheartscotch: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

Most famous? Those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

/ he was only king for 2 years; he did make some reforms; but, he really didn't do much


He had a whole play named after him! Jeez!
2012-12-15 02:37:42 PM  
1 vote:

Thurston Howell: iheartscotch: Most famous? Those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

/ he was only king for 2 years; he did make some reforms; but, he really didn't do much

No, but he got a lot of free press from that guy in the theatre company.

Also, there was a sex tape.


I always thought that the play was really the reason Richard III stayed in the public mind.

Granted, he probably had the rightful king and his brother murdered in the Tower of London; but, that's not exactly the first time something like that happened.

/ it was always about the hump with Richard III; I know he really didn't have the hump
2012-12-15 02:33:03 PM  
1 vote:
Man, I have to pay extra to park on the bones of kings.
2012-12-15 02:29:49 PM  
1 vote:

LZeitgeist: saintstryfe: Comic Book Guy: Did they find his shield? The inscription?

Alexandrea.

Alexandretta.

\FTFY
\\You're digging in the wrong place...


X marks the spot
2012-12-15 02:29:25 PM  
1 vote:
Was he the one that betrayed Winterfell?
2012-12-15 02:28:00 PM  
1 vote:
i.ytimg.com

All that comes to mind is the horrors of the Richard III Ward inside the Royal Hospital for Clinical Overacting. 

A horse- A HOOOOORSE!!! myyyy, ... KINGDOM! for a hooorse.
2012-12-15 02:26:21 PM  
1 vote:

iheartscotch: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

Most famous? Those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

/ he was only king for 2 years; he did make some reforms; but, he really didn't do much


Yes, and next to Henry VIII and George III he's probably the most recognized (over here anyway)
2012-12-15 02:21:01 PM  
1 vote:
Hety noufd Ring Kitchard the Thrid!
2012-12-15 02:18:29 PM  
1 vote:

saintstryfe: Comic Book Guy: Did they find his shield? The inscription?

Alexandrea.


Alexandretta.

\FTFY
\\You're digging in the wrong place...
2012-12-15 01:57:00 PM  
1 vote:

OtherLittleGuy: Ironically, the 527-year-old remains of a horse were found nearby.



I don't think Camilla is that old.
2012-12-15 12:55:02 PM  
1 vote:

corq: I know there's a better basis for the lyrics in "All along the Watchtower," but I swear I always thought it was about Richard III's assassination of the Princes in the Tower:



Huh. Never thought of that. Dave Matthews is a pretty damn talented songwriter though so I guess it is plausible.


MaudlinMutantMollusk: ♫ They paved Plantagenet to put up a parking lot ♫


lol awesome. I'm a huge Counting Crows fan!

hah,
 
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