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(Telegraph)   Human remains found in a parking lot in Leicester, UK, have been confirmed as King Richard III, who was buried at the site in 1485   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 161
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2012-12-15 02:40:34 PM  

MBK: Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this sun of York;
And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house
In the deep bosom of the ocean buried.
Now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths;
Our bruised arms hung up for monuments;
Our stern alarums changed to merry meetings,
Our dreadful marches to delightful measures.
Grim-visaged war hath smooth'd his wrinkled front;
...


Hey, I don't think you wrote that...
 
2012-12-15 02:40:53 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
Um, there wasn't any......evidence as to who killed him, was there?
 
2012-12-15 02:41:20 PM  

iheartscotch: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

Most famous? Those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

/ he was only king for 2 years; he did make some reforms; but, he really didn't do much


He had a whole play named after him! Jeez!
 
2012-12-15 02:41:35 PM  
Seems Weird, that i've parked my car at least 50 times on top of King Richard in the last decade....

And once every christmas!
 
2012-12-15 02:42:22 PM  
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you got till it's gone
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot
 
2012-12-15 02:43:11 PM  

upload.wikimedia.org
Best Richard III ever!


Peter Cook is one of the all-time greats and he does a magnificent job as the burlesque Richard the III in Blackadder, Series one, "The Foretelling".

By the way, in case you don't know, Tom Baker, an early Dr. Who who later did the daft voice over for Little Britain, plays Captain Redbeard, the loony sea captain in another Blackadder. The small repertory company of great British comic comic actors is one of the reasons why the Britcom actor is one of the world's human and cultural treasures. A cameo by one of these few, these lucky few, is truly a gem.
 
2012-12-15 02:44:09 PM  

iheartscotch: cygnusx13: iheartscotch: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

Most famous? Those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

/ he was only king for 2 years; he did make some reforms; but, he really didn't do much

Yes, and next to Henry VIII and George III he's probably the most recognized (over here anyway)

I don't know; if I had to list the most famous English kings; I'd go Henry VIII, George III, and Richard the Lionhearted


William the Conqueror and Alfred the Great
 
2012-12-15 02:44:35 PM  

cman: WHAR SNARK IS?


The Snark is a Boojum.

Anybody who has seen it has quietly and softly vanished away.
 
2012-12-15 02:44:42 PM  
Now that this mystery is solved can we finally get around to knowing who is buried in Grant's Tomb?
 
2012-12-15 02:45:39 PM  

Ed Finnerty: jehovahs witness protection: And they impounded his car due to $14,863,212.19 in unpaid parking tickets.

You have 30 minutes to move your King.

You have five minutes to move your King.

You have 30 minutes to move your cube.


That's why I hate timed chess games.
 
2012-12-15 02:45:57 PM  
 
2012-12-15 02:47:27 PM  

brantgoose: cman: WHAR SNARK IS?

The Snark is a Boojum.

Anybody who has seen it has quietly and softly vanished away.


Pardon?
 
2012-12-15 02:47:27 PM  

Gyrfalcon: iheartscotch: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

Most famous? Those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

/ he was only king for 2 years; he did make some reforms; but, he really didn't do much

He had a whole play named after him! Jeez!


Yep; but, I imagine that you are well aware that the play is less than accurate in its portrayal of the titular character. :P
 
2012-12-15 02:49:44 PM  

kmmontandon: OtherLittleGuy: Ironically, the 527-year-old remains of a horse were found nearby.


I don't think Camilla is that old.


kateesackhoff.com
 
2012-12-15 02:49:53 PM  
What kind of king gets buried in a parking lot?

This must be a hoax, probably for some new reality tv series.
 
2012-12-15 02:50:34 PM  

HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?


Would like a word.
www.romanvirdi.com
 
2012-12-15 02:51:03 PM  
I don't want to be a dick but why is this necessary?

Is there some mystery about Richard III's death that needs answered? What do we hope to learn by digging up an old king, otehr than to say "we did it?"
 
2012-12-15 02:51:44 PM  

iheartscotch: Gyrfalcon: iheartscotch: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

Most famous? Those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

/ he was only king for 2 years; he did make some reforms; but, he really didn't do much

He had a whole play named after him! Jeez!

Yep; but, I imagine that you are well aware that the play is less than accurate in its portrayal of the titular character. :P


Yes, I know.

[rolls eyes]
[bangs head to knock them loose from top of skull]
 
2012-12-15 02:53:50 PM  
/still looking for Jimmy Hoffa
 
2012-12-15 02:53:58 PM  

StashMonster: iheartscotch: cygnusx13: iheartscotch: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

Most famous? Those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

/ he was only king for 2 years; he did make some reforms; but, he really didn't do much

Yes, and next to Henry VIII and George III he's probably the most recognized (over here anyway)

I don't know; if I had to list the most famous English kings; I'd go Henry VIII, George III, and Richard the Lionhearted

William the Conqueror and Alfred the Great


I agree about William the Conqueror. He is a legitimate substitution.

Alfred the Great was the king of Wessex; maybe not a huge difference from king of England; but, as England really wasn't a nation at that time, can you really say he was the king of England? I suppose, it would be a matter of perspective.
 
2012-12-15 02:57:24 PM  
Isn't this how Cockneys Vs Zombies started?
 
2012-12-15 02:58:21 PM  

Boojum2k: brantgoose: cman: WHAR SNARK IS?

The Snark is a Boojum.

Anybody who has seen it has quietly (softly) and softly (suddenly) vanished away.

Pardon?


You are pardoned. But I am afraid that I have to assign remedial reading:

The Hunting of the Snark by Lewis Carroll

My joke is an allusion to the last line of my favouritest poem of all time. The last line came to the poet first and he created it from there.

In the midst of the word he was trying to say,
In the midst of his laughter and glee,
He had softly and suddenly vanished away -
For the Snark was a Boojum, you see.

ebooks.adelaide.edu.au

Great poem, great illustrator, Sir John Tenniel, famous for his illustrations of Alice in Wonderland and Alice Through the Looking Glass.

ebooks.adelaide.edu.au


I misquoted it. Perhaps that was the source of your confusion?
 
2012-12-15 02:58:32 PM  

sweet-daddy-2: Now that this mystery is solved can we finally get around to knowing who is buried in Grant's Tomb?


Sure thing Groucho.
 
2012-12-15 02:59:27 PM  

Gyrfalcon: iheartscotch: Gyrfalcon: iheartscotch: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

Most famous? Those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

/ he was only king for 2 years; he did make some reforms; but, he really didn't do much

He had a whole play named after him! Jeez!

Yep; but, I imagine that you are well aware that the play is less than accurate in its portrayal of the titular character. :P

Yes, I know.

[rolls eyes]
[bangs head to knock them loose from top of skull]


I hate when that happens! I can't buy gloves on account of my webbed fingers.

/ I keed, I keed
 
2012-12-15 03:00:21 PM  
Richard the T'ird?
i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-15 03:02:45 PM  

Scipio: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

This. I mean really, no one thought to check the area for graves before putting a parking lot over the area? You'd think they would scan the area prior if they truly thought that this the area was where the Church of Grey Friars was located.


Nobody really knew where the church of the Gray Friars was located. They knew it was somewhere in the general area, but you can't do extensive surveys any time you want to do anything in an entire town. Sometimes things fade away in history- documents get lost, the Gray Friars becomes known by something else, eventually falls apart or gets torn down during some Catholic- Protestant battle, the tombstones wear away, the oral tradition gets lost, and the church gets torn down for something bigger, or gets lost to a fire, or a snowstorm collapses the roof and they just build a new one somewhere else. History loses track- go look up the burial sites of the popes. By comparison, losing a king or two after being buried in some fairly remote site after battle doesn't seem that crazy- the church lost popes they buried in the biggest and most famous church in the Vatican. They took 'em out while the were building the new structure (the current St. Peters) and managed to lose a pretty good number.

iheartscotch: / it was always about the hump with Richard III; I know he really didn't have the hump


Actually, turns out he did. The skeleton they dug up has a deformed spine, and not from any battle trauma.
 
2012-12-15 03:05:11 PM  

rickythepenguin: corq: I know there's a better basis for the lyrics in "All along the Watchtower," but I swear I always thought it was about Richard III's assassination of the Princes in the Tower:


Huh. Never thought of that. Dave Matthews is a pretty damn talented songwriter though so I guess it is plausible.


You gotta be trollin'. ;)
 
2012-12-15 03:05:14 PM  

brantgoose: Boojum2k: brantgoose: cman: WHAR SNARK IS?

The Snark is a Boojum.

Anybody who has seen it has quietly (softly) and softly (suddenly) vanished away.

Pardon?

You are pardoned. But I am afraid that I have to assign remedial reading:

The Hunting of the Snark by Lewis Carroll

My joke is an allusion to the last line of my favouritest poem of all time. The last line came to the poet first and he created it from there.

In the midst of the word he was trying to say,
In the midst of his laughter and glee,
He had softly and suddenly vanished away -
For the Snark was a Boojum, you see.

[ebooks.adelaide.edu.au image 466x703]

Great poem, great illustrator, Sir John Tenniel, famous for his illustrations of Alice in Wonderland and Alice Through the Looking Glass.

[ebooks.adelaide.edu.au image 466x703]

I misquoted it. Perhaps that was the source of your confusion?


Get it right next time, if you want to be met with again!
 
2012-12-15 03:08:23 PM  

cptjeff: Scipio: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

This. I mean really, no one thought to check the area for graves before putting a parking lot over the area? You'd think they would scan the area prior if they truly thought that this the area was where the Church of Grey Friars was located.

Nobody really knew where the church of the Gray Friars was located. They knew it was somewhere in the general area, but you can't do extensive surveys any time you want to do anything in an entire town. Sometimes things fade away in history- documents get lost, the Gray Friars becomes known by something else, eventually falls apart or gets torn down during some Catholic- Protestant battle, the tombstones wear away, the oral tradition gets lost, and the church gets torn down for something bigger, or gets lost to a fire, or a snowstorm collapses the roof and they just build a new one somewhere else. History loses track- go look up the burial sites of the popes. By comparison, losing a king or two after being buried in some fairly remote site after battle doesn't seem that crazy- the church lost popes they buried in the biggest and most famous church in the Vatican. They took 'em out while the were building the new structure (the current St. Peters) and managed to lose a pretty good number.

iheartscotch: / it was always about the hump with Richard III; I know he really didn't have the hump

Actually, turns out he did. The skeleton they dug up has a deformed spine, and not from any battle trauma.


I saw that part; maybe my dyslexia is acting up, but the way I read it; both the head wound and the twist in the spine were attributed to the trauma that caused the individual's death. Maybe I should read the article again.
 
2012-12-15 03:09:48 PM  
What DNA would they try to match? Would it be Y-chromosomal DNA or mtDNA, or both?

What I'd really like to know is, where is the list of DNA types for famous kings and such? Particularly, I'd like to know the Y-chromosome microsatellite repeat values for the various DYS ranging from DYS388 to DYS464D for ancient Welsh kings. There are so many competing claims to purely paternal descent from King Coel...but do any of them have a legitimate claim, or is it just wishful thinking on the part of would-be descendants?

What, for example, would be the Y-chromosome DYS profile of Ithel Vychan and Edowain Bendew?
 
2012-12-15 03:10:29 PM  
I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
`My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away".

-Percy Bysshe Shelley
 
2012-12-15 03:11:37 PM  

brantgoose: Best Richard III ever!

Peter Cook is one of the all-time greats and he does a magnificent job as the burlesque Richard the III in Blackadder, Series one, "The Foretelling".

By the way, in case you don't know, Tom Baker, an early Dr. Who who later did the daft voice over for Little Britain, plays Captain Redbeard, the loony sea captain in another Blackadder. The small repertory company of great British comic comic actors is one of the reasons why the Britcom actor is one of the world's human and cultural treasures. A cameo by one of these few, these lucky few, is truly a gem.


He' still not gonna do you after the show "backstage"!
 
2012-12-15 03:13:57 PM  
Perhaps the greatest Richard the Third

cps-static.rovicorp.com
 
2012-12-15 03:17:54 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: Perhaps the greatest Richard the Third


Perhaps you should check your image link. Gil Grissom isn't english.
 
2012-12-15 03:21:19 PM  

derpy: I don't want to be a dick but why is this necessary?

Is there some mystery about Richard III's death that needs answered? What do we hope to learn by digging up an old king, otehr than to say "we did it?"


Probably because they want to rebury him somewhere that isn't under a parking lot.
 
2012-12-15 03:23:51 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Ironically, the 527-year-old remains of a horse were found nearby.


So he did make the trade.
 
2012-12-15 03:24:01 PM  

SevenizGud: What DNA would they try to match? Would it be Y-chromosomal DNA or mtDNA, or both?

What I'd really like to know is, where is the list of DNA types for famous kings and such? Particularly, I'd like to know the Y-chromosome microsatellite repeat values for the various DYS ranging from DYS388 to DYS464D for ancient Welsh kings. There are so many competing claims to purely paternal descent from King Coel...but do any of them have a legitimate claim, or is it just wishful thinking on the part of would-be descendants?

What, for example, would be the Y-chromosome DYS profile of Ithel Vychan and Edowain Bendew?


Who Do You Think You Are traced Matthew Pinsent back to William the Conqueror, so it shouldn't be impossible.
 
2012-12-15 03:24:18 PM  
Who's DNA do they compare it too?
 
2012-12-15 03:25:38 PM  
 
2012-12-15 03:26:04 PM  
Why did they have to remove him?Without a king, you just have a "par lot."
 
2012-12-15 03:26:13 PM  
derpy

Is there some mystery about Richard III's death that needs answered? What do we hope to learn by digging up an old king, otehr than to say "we did it?"

By examining his skeleton we can learn all sorts of interesting things about his life. His diet, his lifestyle, old injuries he had...hell, we can even forensically reconstruct his face and show the world what he really looked like. We can learn a lot of new historical information.
 
2012-12-15 03:26:56 PM  

Rex_Banner: LZeitgeist: saintstryfe: Comic Book Guy: Did they find his shield? The inscription?

Alexandrea.

Alexandretta.

\FTFY
\\You're digging in the wrong place...

X marks the spot


Our King is in a different parking lot...
 
2012-12-15 03:31:14 PM  
Why did they dig him up? He imprisoned his underage nephews in the tower and then murdered them. He then took the crown for himself. Sounds like being buried under a parking lot and forgotten was the least he deserved.
 
2012-12-15 03:32:57 PM  

Spiralmonkey: Who Do You Think You Are traced Matthew Pinsent back to William the Conqueror, so it shouldn't be impossible.


Except that this is not purely paternal descent, so Matthew Pinsent would not have William The Conqueror's Y-chromosome profile.

Interesting, nevertheless, but I am looking for purely paternal claims. I see a few Wiki entries, but none of them are Welsh.
 
2012-12-15 03:33:17 PM  
Has he got shiat all over him?
 
2012-12-15 03:35:14 PM  

give me doughnuts: Has he got shiat all over him?


Of course not. He's a king!
 
2012-12-15 03:36:00 PM  
OtherLittleGuy: Ironically, the 527-year-old remains of a horse were found nearby.


I don't think Camilla is that old.


Neigh, sir, she is not !

/// Bravo to you
 
2012-12-15 03:36:54 PM  
www.thedawgpound.com
 
2012-12-15 03:38:52 PM  
thanks for the Python reference
 
2012-12-15 03:40:21 PM  
Richard III's part in the death of the 2 Princes was contrived by Fox News
 
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