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(Telegraph)   Human remains found in a parking lot in Leicester, UK, have been confirmed as King Richard III, who was buried at the site in 1485   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 161
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2012-12-15 11:45:51 AM
And they impounded his car due to $14,863,212.19 in unpaid parking tickets.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-12-15 11:58:09 AM
Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this sun of York;
And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house
In the deep bosom of the ocean buried.
Now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths;
Our bruised arms hung up for monuments;
Our stern alarums changed to merry meetings,
Our dreadful marches to delightful measures.
Grim-visaged war hath smooth'd his wrinkled front;
And now, instead of mounting barded steeds
To fright the souls of fearful adversaries,
He capers nimbly in a lady's chamber
To the lascivious pleasing of a lute.
But I, that am not shaped for sportive tricks,
Nor made to court an amorous looking-glass;
I, that am rudely stamp'd, and want love's majesty
To strut before a wanton ambling nymph;
I, that am curtail'd of this fair proportion,
Cheated of feature by dissembling nature,
Deformed, unfinish'd, sent before my time
Into this breathing world, scarce half made up,
And that so lamely and unfashionable
That dogs bark at me as I halt by them;
Why, I, in this weak piping time of peace,
Have no delight to pass away the time,
Unless to spy my shadow in the sun
And descant on mine own deformity:
And therefore, since I cannot prove a lover,
To entertain these fair well-spoken days,
I am determined to prove a villain
And hate the idle pleasures of these days.
Plots have I laid, inductions dangerous,
By drunken prophecies, libels and dreams,
To set my brother Clarence and the king
In deadly hate the one against the other:
And if King Edward be as true and just
As I am subtle, false and treacherous,
This day should Clarence closely be mew'd up,
About a prophecy, which says that 'G'
Of Edward's heirs the murderer shall be.
Dive, thoughts, down to my soul: here
Clarence comes.
 
2012-12-15 12:40:18 PM
I know there's a better basis for the lyrics in "All along the Watchtower," but I swear I always thought it was about Richard III's assassination of the Princes in the Tower:

"All along the watchtower
Princes kept the view
While all the women came and went
Barefoot servants too

Outside in the cold distance
A wildcat did growl
Two riders were approaching
And the wind began to howl..."


//but I have crazed theories on everything
 
2012-12-15 12:47:29 PM
♫ They paved Plantagenet to put up a parking lot ♫
 
2012-12-15 12:54:35 PM
WHAR SNARK IS?
 
2012-12-15 12:55:02 PM

corq: I know there's a better basis for the lyrics in "All along the Watchtower," but I swear I always thought it was about Richard III's assassination of the Princes in the Tower:



Huh. Never thought of that. Dave Matthews is a pretty damn talented songwriter though so I guess it is plausible.


MaudlinMutantMollusk: ♫ They paved Plantagenet to put up a parking lot ♫


lol awesome. I'm a huge Counting Crows fan!

hah,
 
2012-12-15 12:59:53 PM

rickythepenguin: corq: I know there's a better basis for the lyrics in "All along the Watchtower," but I swear I always thought it was about Richard III's assassination of the Princes in the Tower:


Huh. Never thought of that. Dave Matthews is a pretty damn talented songwriter though so I guess it is plausible.


MaudlinMutantMollusk: ♫ They paved Plantagenet to put up a parking lot ♫

lol awesome. I'm a huge Counting Crows fan!

hah,


I... I think I hate you right now.
 
2012-12-15 01:42:08 PM

jehovahs witness protection: And they impounded his car due to $14,863,212.19 in unpaid parking tickets.


You have 30 minutes to move your King.

You have five minutes to move your King.

You have 30 minutes to move your cube.
 
2012-12-15 01:42:21 PM
Ironically, the 527-year-old remains of a horse were found nearby.
 
2012-12-15 01:57:00 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Ironically, the 527-year-old remains of a horse were found nearby.



I don't think Camilla is that old.
 
2012-12-15 01:57:47 PM

corq: I know there's a better basis for the lyrics in "All along the Watchtower," but I swear I always thought it was about Richard III's assassination of the Princes in the Tower:

"All along the watchtower
Princes kept the view
While all the women came and went
Barefoot servants too

Outside in the cold distance
A wildcat did growl
Two riders were approaching
And the wind began to howl..."


//but I have crazed theories on everything


Who knew Richard III was a Cylon?
 
2012-12-15 02:01:40 PM
Finally, closure for Shakespeare.
 
2012-12-15 02:07:57 PM
Did they find his shield? The inscription?
 
2012-12-15 02:09:47 PM
Damn! I must have missed the orignal article on this.
 
2012-12-15 02:09:53 PM
A space! A space! My kingdom for a space!
 
2012-12-15 02:09:55 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: ♫ They paved Plantagenet to put up a parking lot ♫


Goddamitsomuch.
 
2012-12-15 02:10:00 PM
I presume he'll get a proper burial at the same church as his family. But how will they transport him there? A hearse, a hearse, my kingdom for a hearse
 
2012-12-15 02:10:12 PM
Final insult: all the cars in the lot are Tudors.
 
2012-12-15 02:10:36 PM

Comic Book Guy: Did they find his shield? The inscription?


Alexandrea.
 
2012-12-15 02:10:56 PM
How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?
 
2012-12-15 02:12:47 PM
First all those dead kindergarteners and now this.
 
2012-12-15 02:15:16 PM
Article jumps the gun a little. I'll wait for official news.
 
2012-12-15 02:16:13 PM
Human remains found in a parking lot in Leicester, UK, have been confirmed as King Richard III, who was buried at the site in 1485

As opposed to all the dogs and cats that were British Royalty
 
2012-12-15 02:17:50 PM

HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?


Most famous? Those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

/ he was only king for 2 years; he did make some reforms; but, he really didn't do much
 
2012-12-15 02:18:29 PM

saintstryfe: Comic Book Guy: Did they find his shield? The inscription?

Alexandrea.


Alexandretta.

\FTFY
\\You're digging in the wrong place...
 
2012-12-15 02:20:03 PM

HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?


This. I mean really, no one thought to check the area for graves before putting a parking lot over the area? You'd think they would scan the area prior if they truly thought that this the area was where the Church of Grey Friars was located.
 
2012-12-15 02:21:01 PM
Hety noufd Ring Kitchard the Thrid!
 
2012-12-15 02:21:11 PM
I bet a Lancastrian did this.
 
2012-12-15 02:22:41 PM

iheartscotch: Most famous? Those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

/ he was only king for 2 years; he did make some reforms; but, he really didn't do much


No, but he got a lot of free press from that guy in the theatre company.

Also, there was a sex tape.
 
2012-12-15 02:26:21 PM

iheartscotch: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

Most famous? Those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

/ he was only king for 2 years; he did make some reforms; but, he really didn't do much


Yes, and next to Henry VIII and George III he's probably the most recognized (over here anyway)
 
2012-12-15 02:26:39 PM
I find Richard the Thirds in my toilet every day
 
2012-12-15 02:27:34 PM

iheartscotch: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

Most famous? Those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

/ he was only king for 2 years; he did make some reforms; but, he really didn't do much


He is forever commemorated as a piece of rhyming slang.
 
2012-12-15 02:28:00 PM
i.ytimg.com

All that comes to mind is the horrors of the Richard III Ward inside the Royal Hospital for Clinical Overacting. 

A horse- A HOOOOORSE!!! myyyy, ... KINGDOM! for a hooorse.
 
2012-12-15 02:29:25 PM
Was he the one that betrayed Winterfell?
 
2012-12-15 02:29:49 PM

LZeitgeist: saintstryfe: Comic Book Guy: Did they find his shield? The inscription?

Alexandrea.

Alexandretta.

\FTFY
\\You're digging in the wrong place...


X marks the spot
 
2012-12-15 02:30:20 PM
A parking lot? They must have hated him.

Alas, it was inevitable.
 
2012-12-15 02:32:32 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: ♫ They paved Plantagenet to put up a parking lot ♫


Goddamnit! Why am I laughing so much at this?
 
2012-12-15 02:33:03 PM
Man, I have to pay extra to park on the bones of kings.
 
2012-12-15 02:33:31 PM

dalovindj: First all those dead kindergarteners and now this.


What you did there, I see it.
 
2012-12-15 02:34:04 PM
A parking lot you say? So much for Britain revering history.
 
2012-12-15 02:34:50 PM

rickythepenguin: I'm a huge Counting Crows fan!


Holy shiat. I owe my buddy $50.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-12-15 02:36:39 PM
How did they know? Does he have a hump on his back?
 
2012-12-15 02:36:48 PM
Sounds like the historians....

[removes glasses]

....were following a hunch.

[YEEEEAAAAHHHHHHHHH!]
 
2012-12-15 02:36:51 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: ♫ They paved Plantagenet to put up a parking lot ♫



You...
 
2012-12-15 02:37:42 PM

Thurston Howell: iheartscotch: Most famous? Those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

/ he was only king for 2 years; he did make some reforms; but, he really didn't do much

No, but he got a lot of free press from that guy in the theatre company.

Also, there was a sex tape.


I always thought that the play was really the reason Richard III stayed in the public mind.

Granted, he probably had the rightful king and his brother murdered in the Tower of London; but, that's not exactly the first time something like that happened.

/ it was always about the hump with Richard III; I know he really didn't have the hump
 
2012-12-15 02:39:13 PM
Farking Peter Noon.
 
2012-12-15 02:39:14 PM
 
2012-12-15 02:39:45 PM
HUZZAH
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-15 02:39:55 PM
A Porsche! a Porsche! My kingdom for. a Porsche
 
2012-12-15 02:40:05 PM

cygnusx13: iheartscotch: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

Most famous? Those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

/ he was only king for 2 years; he did make some reforms; but, he really didn't do much

Yes, and next to Henry VIII and George III he's probably the most recognized (over here anyway)


I don't know; if I had to list the most famous English kings; I'd go Henry VIII, George III, and Richard the Lionhearted
 
2012-12-15 02:40:34 PM

MBK: Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this sun of York;
And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house
In the deep bosom of the ocean buried.
Now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths;
Our bruised arms hung up for monuments;
Our stern alarums changed to merry meetings,
Our dreadful marches to delightful measures.
Grim-visaged war hath smooth'd his wrinkled front;
...


Hey, I don't think you wrote that...
 
2012-12-15 02:40:53 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
Um, there wasn't any......evidence as to who killed him, was there?
 
2012-12-15 02:41:20 PM

iheartscotch: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

Most famous? Those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

/ he was only king for 2 years; he did make some reforms; but, he really didn't do much


He had a whole play named after him! Jeez!
 
2012-12-15 02:41:35 PM
Seems Weird, that i've parked my car at least 50 times on top of King Richard in the last decade....

And once every christmas!
 
2012-12-15 02:42:22 PM
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you got till it's gone
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot
 
2012-12-15 02:43:11 PM

upload.wikimedia.org
Best Richard III ever!


Peter Cook is one of the all-time greats and he does a magnificent job as the burlesque Richard the III in Blackadder, Series one, "The Foretelling".

By the way, in case you don't know, Tom Baker, an early Dr. Who who later did the daft voice over for Little Britain, plays Captain Redbeard, the loony sea captain in another Blackadder. The small repertory company of great British comic comic actors is one of the reasons why the Britcom actor is one of the world's human and cultural treasures. A cameo by one of these few, these lucky few, is truly a gem.
 
2012-12-15 02:44:09 PM

iheartscotch: cygnusx13: iheartscotch: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

Most famous? Those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

/ he was only king for 2 years; he did make some reforms; but, he really didn't do much

Yes, and next to Henry VIII and George III he's probably the most recognized (over here anyway)

I don't know; if I had to list the most famous English kings; I'd go Henry VIII, George III, and Richard the Lionhearted


William the Conqueror and Alfred the Great
 
2012-12-15 02:44:35 PM

cman: WHAR SNARK IS?


The Snark is a Boojum.

Anybody who has seen it has quietly and softly vanished away.
 
2012-12-15 02:44:42 PM
Now that this mystery is solved can we finally get around to knowing who is buried in Grant's Tomb?
 
2012-12-15 02:45:39 PM

Ed Finnerty: jehovahs witness protection: And they impounded his car due to $14,863,212.19 in unpaid parking tickets.

You have 30 minutes to move your King.

You have five minutes to move your King.

You have 30 minutes to move your cube.


That's why I hate timed chess games.
 
2012-12-15 02:45:57 PM
 
2012-12-15 02:47:27 PM

brantgoose: cman: WHAR SNARK IS?

The Snark is a Boojum.

Anybody who has seen it has quietly and softly vanished away.


Pardon?
 
2012-12-15 02:47:27 PM

Gyrfalcon: iheartscotch: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

Most famous? Those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

/ he was only king for 2 years; he did make some reforms; but, he really didn't do much

He had a whole play named after him! Jeez!


Yep; but, I imagine that you are well aware that the play is less than accurate in its portrayal of the titular character. :P
 
2012-12-15 02:49:44 PM

kmmontandon: OtherLittleGuy: Ironically, the 527-year-old remains of a horse were found nearby.


I don't think Camilla is that old.


kateesackhoff.com
 
2012-12-15 02:49:53 PM
What kind of king gets buried in a parking lot?

This must be a hoax, probably for some new reality tv series.
 
2012-12-15 02:50:34 PM

HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?


Would like a word.
www.romanvirdi.com
 
2012-12-15 02:51:03 PM
I don't want to be a dick but why is this necessary?

Is there some mystery about Richard III's death that needs answered? What do we hope to learn by digging up an old king, otehr than to say "we did it?"
 
2012-12-15 02:51:44 PM

iheartscotch: Gyrfalcon: iheartscotch: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

Most famous? Those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

/ he was only king for 2 years; he did make some reforms; but, he really didn't do much

He had a whole play named after him! Jeez!

Yep; but, I imagine that you are well aware that the play is less than accurate in its portrayal of the titular character. :P


Yes, I know.

[rolls eyes]
[bangs head to knock them loose from top of skull]
 
2012-12-15 02:53:50 PM
/still looking for Jimmy Hoffa
 
2012-12-15 02:53:58 PM

StashMonster: iheartscotch: cygnusx13: iheartscotch: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

Most famous? Those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

/ he was only king for 2 years; he did make some reforms; but, he really didn't do much

Yes, and next to Henry VIII and George III he's probably the most recognized (over here anyway)

I don't know; if I had to list the most famous English kings; I'd go Henry VIII, George III, and Richard the Lionhearted

William the Conqueror and Alfred the Great


I agree about William the Conqueror. He is a legitimate substitution.

Alfred the Great was the king of Wessex; maybe not a huge difference from king of England; but, as England really wasn't a nation at that time, can you really say he was the king of England? I suppose, it would be a matter of perspective.
 
2012-12-15 02:57:24 PM
Isn't this how Cockneys Vs Zombies started?
 
2012-12-15 02:58:21 PM

Boojum2k: brantgoose: cman: WHAR SNARK IS?

The Snark is a Boojum.

Anybody who has seen it has quietly (softly) and softly (suddenly) vanished away.

Pardon?


You are pardoned. But I am afraid that I have to assign remedial reading:

The Hunting of the Snark by Lewis Carroll

My joke is an allusion to the last line of my favouritest poem of all time. The last line came to the poet first and he created it from there.

In the midst of the word he was trying to say,
In the midst of his laughter and glee,
He had softly and suddenly vanished away -
For the Snark was a Boojum, you see.

ebooks.adelaide.edu.au

Great poem, great illustrator, Sir John Tenniel, famous for his illustrations of Alice in Wonderland and Alice Through the Looking Glass.

ebooks.adelaide.edu.au


I misquoted it. Perhaps that was the source of your confusion?
 
2012-12-15 02:58:32 PM

sweet-daddy-2: Now that this mystery is solved can we finally get around to knowing who is buried in Grant's Tomb?


Sure thing Groucho.
 
2012-12-15 02:59:27 PM

Gyrfalcon: iheartscotch: Gyrfalcon: iheartscotch: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

Most famous? Those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

/ he was only king for 2 years; he did make some reforms; but, he really didn't do much

He had a whole play named after him! Jeez!

Yep; but, I imagine that you are well aware that the play is less than accurate in its portrayal of the titular character. :P

Yes, I know.

[rolls eyes]
[bangs head to knock them loose from top of skull]


I hate when that happens! I can't buy gloves on account of my webbed fingers.

/ I keed, I keed
 
2012-12-15 03:00:21 PM
Richard the T'ird?
i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-15 03:02:45 PM

Scipio: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

This. I mean really, no one thought to check the area for graves before putting a parking lot over the area? You'd think they would scan the area prior if they truly thought that this the area was where the Church of Grey Friars was located.


Nobody really knew where the church of the Gray Friars was located. They knew it was somewhere in the general area, but you can't do extensive surveys any time you want to do anything in an entire town. Sometimes things fade away in history- documents get lost, the Gray Friars becomes known by something else, eventually falls apart or gets torn down during some Catholic- Protestant battle, the tombstones wear away, the oral tradition gets lost, and the church gets torn down for something bigger, or gets lost to a fire, or a snowstorm collapses the roof and they just build a new one somewhere else. History loses track- go look up the burial sites of the popes. By comparison, losing a king or two after being buried in some fairly remote site after battle doesn't seem that crazy- the church lost popes they buried in the biggest and most famous church in the Vatican. They took 'em out while the were building the new structure (the current St. Peters) and managed to lose a pretty good number.

iheartscotch: / it was always about the hump with Richard III; I know he really didn't have the hump


Actually, turns out he did. The skeleton they dug up has a deformed spine, and not from any battle trauma.
 
2012-12-15 03:05:11 PM

rickythepenguin: corq: I know there's a better basis for the lyrics in "All along the Watchtower," but I swear I always thought it was about Richard III's assassination of the Princes in the Tower:


Huh. Never thought of that. Dave Matthews is a pretty damn talented songwriter though so I guess it is plausible.


You gotta be trollin'. ;)
 
2012-12-15 03:05:14 PM

brantgoose: Boojum2k: brantgoose: cman: WHAR SNARK IS?

The Snark is a Boojum.

Anybody who has seen it has quietly (softly) and softly (suddenly) vanished away.

Pardon?

You are pardoned. But I am afraid that I have to assign remedial reading:

The Hunting of the Snark by Lewis Carroll

My joke is an allusion to the last line of my favouritest poem of all time. The last line came to the poet first and he created it from there.

In the midst of the word he was trying to say,
In the midst of his laughter and glee,
He had softly and suddenly vanished away -
For the Snark was a Boojum, you see.

[ebooks.adelaide.edu.au image 466x703]

Great poem, great illustrator, Sir John Tenniel, famous for his illustrations of Alice in Wonderland and Alice Through the Looking Glass.

[ebooks.adelaide.edu.au image 466x703]

I misquoted it. Perhaps that was the source of your confusion?


Get it right next time, if you want to be met with again!
 
2012-12-15 03:08:23 PM

cptjeff: Scipio: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

This. I mean really, no one thought to check the area for graves before putting a parking lot over the area? You'd think they would scan the area prior if they truly thought that this the area was where the Church of Grey Friars was located.

Nobody really knew where the church of the Gray Friars was located. They knew it was somewhere in the general area, but you can't do extensive surveys any time you want to do anything in an entire town. Sometimes things fade away in history- documents get lost, the Gray Friars becomes known by something else, eventually falls apart or gets torn down during some Catholic- Protestant battle, the tombstones wear away, the oral tradition gets lost, and the church gets torn down for something bigger, or gets lost to a fire, or a snowstorm collapses the roof and they just build a new one somewhere else. History loses track- go look up the burial sites of the popes. By comparison, losing a king or two after being buried in some fairly remote site after battle doesn't seem that crazy- the church lost popes they buried in the biggest and most famous church in the Vatican. They took 'em out while the were building the new structure (the current St. Peters) and managed to lose a pretty good number.

iheartscotch: / it was always about the hump with Richard III; I know he really didn't have the hump

Actually, turns out he did. The skeleton they dug up has a deformed spine, and not from any battle trauma.


I saw that part; maybe my dyslexia is acting up, but the way I read it; both the head wound and the twist in the spine were attributed to the trauma that caused the individual's death. Maybe I should read the article again.
 
2012-12-15 03:09:48 PM
What DNA would they try to match? Would it be Y-chromosomal DNA or mtDNA, or both?

What I'd really like to know is, where is the list of DNA types for famous kings and such? Particularly, I'd like to know the Y-chromosome microsatellite repeat values for the various DYS ranging from DYS388 to DYS464D for ancient Welsh kings. There are so many competing claims to purely paternal descent from King Coel...but do any of them have a legitimate claim, or is it just wishful thinking on the part of would-be descendants?

What, for example, would be the Y-chromosome DYS profile of Ithel Vychan and Edowain Bendew?
 
2012-12-15 03:10:29 PM
I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
`My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away".

-Percy Bysshe Shelley
 
2012-12-15 03:11:37 PM

brantgoose: Best Richard III ever!

Peter Cook is one of the all-time greats and he does a magnificent job as the burlesque Richard the III in Blackadder, Series one, "The Foretelling".

By the way, in case you don't know, Tom Baker, an early Dr. Who who later did the daft voice over for Little Britain, plays Captain Redbeard, the loony sea captain in another Blackadder. The small repertory company of great British comic comic actors is one of the reasons why the Britcom actor is one of the world's human and cultural treasures. A cameo by one of these few, these lucky few, is truly a gem.


He' still not gonna do you after the show "backstage"!
 
2012-12-15 03:13:57 PM
Perhaps the greatest Richard the Third

cps-static.rovicorp.com
 
2012-12-15 03:17:54 PM

Boudica's War Tampon: Perhaps the greatest Richard the Third


Perhaps you should check your image link. Gil Grissom isn't english.
 
2012-12-15 03:21:19 PM

derpy: I don't want to be a dick but why is this necessary?

Is there some mystery about Richard III's death that needs answered? What do we hope to learn by digging up an old king, otehr than to say "we did it?"


Probably because they want to rebury him somewhere that isn't under a parking lot.
 
2012-12-15 03:23:51 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Ironically, the 527-year-old remains of a horse were found nearby.


So he did make the trade.
 
2012-12-15 03:24:01 PM

SevenizGud: What DNA would they try to match? Would it be Y-chromosomal DNA or mtDNA, or both?

What I'd really like to know is, where is the list of DNA types for famous kings and such? Particularly, I'd like to know the Y-chromosome microsatellite repeat values for the various DYS ranging from DYS388 to DYS464D for ancient Welsh kings. There are so many competing claims to purely paternal descent from King Coel...but do any of them have a legitimate claim, or is it just wishful thinking on the part of would-be descendants?

What, for example, would be the Y-chromosome DYS profile of Ithel Vychan and Edowain Bendew?


Who Do You Think You Are traced Matthew Pinsent back to William the Conqueror, so it shouldn't be impossible.
 
2012-12-15 03:24:18 PM
Who's DNA do they compare it too?
 
2012-12-15 03:25:38 PM
 
2012-12-15 03:26:04 PM
Why did they have to remove him?Without a king, you just have a "par lot."
 
2012-12-15 03:26:13 PM
derpy

Is there some mystery about Richard III's death that needs answered? What do we hope to learn by digging up an old king, otehr than to say "we did it?"

By examining his skeleton we can learn all sorts of interesting things about his life. His diet, his lifestyle, old injuries he had...hell, we can even forensically reconstruct his face and show the world what he really looked like. We can learn a lot of new historical information.
 
2012-12-15 03:26:56 PM

Rex_Banner: LZeitgeist: saintstryfe: Comic Book Guy: Did they find his shield? The inscription?

Alexandrea.

Alexandretta.

\FTFY
\\You're digging in the wrong place...

X marks the spot


Our King is in a different parking lot...
 
2012-12-15 03:31:14 PM
Why did they dig him up? He imprisoned his underage nephews in the tower and then murdered them. He then took the crown for himself. Sounds like being buried under a parking lot and forgotten was the least he deserved.
 
2012-12-15 03:32:57 PM

Spiralmonkey: Who Do You Think You Are traced Matthew Pinsent back to William the Conqueror, so it shouldn't be impossible.


Except that this is not purely paternal descent, so Matthew Pinsent would not have William The Conqueror's Y-chromosome profile.

Interesting, nevertheless, but I am looking for purely paternal claims. I see a few Wiki entries, but none of them are Welsh.
 
2012-12-15 03:33:17 PM
Has he got shiat all over him?
 
2012-12-15 03:35:14 PM

give me doughnuts: Has he got shiat all over him?


Of course not. He's a king!
 
2012-12-15 03:36:00 PM
OtherLittleGuy: Ironically, the 527-year-old remains of a horse were found nearby.


I don't think Camilla is that old.


Neigh, sir, she is not !

/// Bravo to you
 
2012-12-15 03:36:54 PM
www.thedawgpound.com
 
2012-12-15 03:38:52 PM
thanks for the Python reference
 
2012-12-15 03:40:21 PM
Richard III's part in the death of the 2 Princes was contrived by Fox News
 
2012-12-15 03:40:21 PM

brantgoose: Boojum2k: brantgoose: cman: WHAR SNARK IS?

The Snark is a Boojum.

Anybody who has seen it has quietly (softly) and softly (suddenly) vanished away.

Pardon?

You are pardoned. But I am afraid that I have to assign remedial reading:

The Hunting of the Snark by Lewis Carroll

My joke is an allusion to the last line of my favouritest poem of all time. The last line came to the poet first and he created it from there.

In the midst of the word he was trying to say,
In the midst of his laughter and glee,
He had softly and suddenly vanished away -
For the Snark was a Boojum, you see.

[ebooks.adelaide.edu.au image 466x703]

Great poem, great illustrator, Sir John Tenniel, famous for his illustrations of Alice in Wonderland and Alice Through the Looking Glass.

[ebooks.adelaide.edu.au image 466x703]

I misquoted it. Perhaps that was the source of your confusion?


Wait - what? That can't be right. Lewis Carroll only penned happy little children's tales for Walt Disney's illustrators.

/snerk
 
2012-12-15 03:49:08 PM
In the name of My Most Royal Majesty, I knight thee. Arise, Sir Loin of Beef. Arise, Earl of Cloves. Arise, Duke of Brittingham. Arise, Baron of Munchausen. Arise, Essence of Myrrh, ... Milk of Magnesia, ... Quarter of Ten

www.codedread.com
 
2012-12-15 03:53:54 PM

gweeptish: Richard III's part in the death of the 2 Princes was contrived by Fox News


www.strangecosmos.com
 
2012-12-15 03:55:42 PM

StashMonster: iheartscotch: cygnusx13: iheartscotch: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

Most famous? Those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

/ he was only king for 2 years; he did make some reforms; but, he really didn't do much

Yes, and next to Henry VIII and George III he's probably the most recognized (over here anyway)

I don't know; if I had to list the most famous English kings; I'd go Henry VIII, George III, and Richard the Lionhearted

William the Conqueror and Alfred the Great



And some very famous Queens, too: Bloody Mary, Elizabeth I, and Victoria.
 
2012-12-15 04:03:16 PM

iheartscotch: StashMonster: iheartscotch: cygnusx13: iheartscotch: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

Most famous? Those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

/ he was only king for 2 years; he did make some reforms; but, he really didn't do much

Yes, and next to Henry VIII and George III he's probably the most recognized (over here anyway)

I don't know; if I had to list the most famous English kings; I'd go Henry VIII, George III, and Richard the Lionhearted

William the Conqueror and Alfred the Great

I agree about William the Conqueror. He is a legitimate substitution.

Alfred the Great was the king of Wessex; maybe not a huge difference from king of England; but, as England really wasn't a nation at that time, can you really say he was the king of England? I suppose, it would be a matter of perspective.


Yeah, sorry, Al doesn't make the list. But I will allow William the Conqueror
 
2012-12-15 04:03:32 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: ♫ They paved Plantagenet to put up a parking lot ♫


Okay, first LOL of the morning. The musical notes were a nice touch.
 
2012-12-15 04:06:41 PM
How will DNA prove it's Richard III? Do they already have a DNA sample from him to compare?
 
2012-12-15 04:10:29 PM

cygnusx13: iheartscotch: StashMonster: iheartscotch: cygnusx13: iheartscotch: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

Most famous? Those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

/ he was only king for 2 years; he did make some reforms; but, he really didn't do much

Yes, and next to Henry VIII and George III he's probably the most recognized (over here anyway)

I don't know; if I had to list the most famous English kings; I'd go Henry VIII, George III, and Richard the Lionhearted

William the Conqueror and Alfred the Great

I agree about William the Conqueror. He is a legitimate substitution.

Alfred the Great was the king of Wessex; maybe not a huge difference from king of England; but, as England really wasn't a nation at that time, can you really say he was the king of England? I suppose, it would be a matter of perspective.

Yeah, sorry, Al doesn't make the list. But I will allow William the Conqueror


Queen Elizabeth the second is quite well known too.

Also I'm Surprised Henry V isn't better known, He's in three plays and he invaded France.

Check out the BBCs "Hollow Crown" Series if you like your Kings Shakespeare style. Tom Hidleston's Henry V is fantastic.
 
2012-12-15 04:14:47 PM

The Southern Dandy: How will DNA prove it's Richard III? Do they already have a DNA sample from him to compare?



The burial sites of his relatives - like Clarence and Edward IV - probably provide DNA information.
 
2012-12-15 04:26:57 PM
Found buried in a parking lot, you say?

omertahistoriamafii.fm.interia.plomertahistoriamafii.fm.interia.pl
Wanted for questioning.
 
2012-12-15 04:30:47 PM

HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?


Well, we was killed in a battle, that he lost to a rival who then became king. So it's not like he would have had a state funeral.

That's the whole point behind the "my Kingdom for a horse" line. What Richard does not yet realise, but the audience does, is that he's lost the battle and has no more kingdom to trade.
 
2012-12-15 04:45:49 PM
They moved the tombstones but they didn't move the body!
 
2012-12-15 04:47:39 PM
Wow, that's some piss-poor valet service right there!
 
2012-12-15 04:48:35 PM
the most famous English kings; I'd go Henry VIII, George III, and Richard the Lionhearted

King Arthur ;)
 
2012-12-15 04:49:28 PM

TheOther: Final insult: all the cars in the lot are Tudors.


That's a win, sir!
 
2012-12-15 04:53:06 PM

Man On Pink Corner: A Porsche! a Porsche! My kingdom for. a Porsche


I would imagine, given the logo, it would be, "A Ferrari, a Ferrari! My kingdom for a Ferrari!"
 
2012-12-15 04:58:15 PM

SevenizGud: What DNA would they try to match? Would it be Y-chromosomal DNA or mtDNA, or both?

What I'd really like to know is, where is the list of DNA types for famous kings and such? Particularly, I'd like to know the Y-chromosome microsatellite repeat values for the various DYS ranging from DYS388 to DYS464D for ancient Welsh kings. There are so many competing claims to purely paternal descent from King Coel...but do any of them have a legitimate claim, or is it just wishful thinking on the part of would-be descendants?

What, for example, would be the Y-chromosome DYS profile of Ithel Vychan and Edowain Bendew?


This.

Seems to me that the best they can come up with is that the bones are those of a human, and by carbon-14 dating and other methods, yield that it's about 500 years old. I doubt there's any DNA left that hasn't been decomposed to be useless. And if there were actual DNA available for analysis, what are they going to compare it with? DNA only works by matching or not-matching against a known sample.
 
2012-12-15 04:59:20 PM
There's a theory that a lot of Richard's bad press was PR from Henry Tudor's side-
William Shakespeare being very firmly in the Tudor camp. Not a good idea to question the legitimacy of one of your biggest patrons...especially if they can cause you an untimely and painful death.

Check out Josephine Tey's The Daughter of Time.

While the premise of this book itself is fiction, the research that it covers is genuine.
 
2012-12-15 05:01:02 PM

Sgygus: the most famous English kings; I'd go Henry VIII, George III, and Richard the Lionhearted

King Arthur ;)


No Henry V? No King George VI? King James? King John (Magna Carta and all)? Richard the Lionheart?
 
2012-12-15 05:05:19 PM

xtrc8u: Why did they dig him up? He imprisoned his underage nephews in the tower and then murdered them. He then took the crown for himself. Sounds like being buried under a parking lot and forgotten was the least he deserved.


Can we do that with Boehner? How about McConnell?
 
2012-12-15 05:05:24 PM

Thurston Howell: iheartscotch: Most famous? Those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

/ he was only king for 2 years; he did make some reforms; but, he really didn't do much

No, but he got a lot of free press from that guy in the theatre company.

Also, there was a sex tape.


But where is Queen Jane?
 
2012-12-15 05:05:42 PM

kmmontandon: The Southern Dandy: How will DNA prove it's Richard III? Do they already have a DNA sample from him to compare?


The burial sites of his relatives - like Clarence and Edward IV - probably provide DNA information.


I found the answer on Wiki.

"In parallel, British historian John Ashdown-Hill tracked down Richard's maternal bloodline, which had survived into the 21st century, via genealogical research. A British-born woman who migrated to Canada after the Second World War, Joy Ibsen, was found to be a 16th-generation grandniece of the king. Although Ibsen died in 2008, her son Michael gave a mouth-swab sample to the research team on 24 August 2012. His mtDNA, passed down on the maternal side, can be used to compare samples from any human remains from the excavation site, and potentially to identify King Richard."
 
2012-12-15 05:05:47 PM
So who are the two dudes in the video standing there wearing armor?
 
2012-12-15 05:26:18 PM
This is incredibly interesting, because at the battle of Bosworth is at the exact same time people stopped giving a shiat.
 
2012-12-15 05:28:42 PM

FizixJunkee: StashMonster: iheartscotch: cygnusx13: iheartscotch: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

Most famous? Those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

/ he was only king for 2 years; he did make some reforms; but, he really didn't do much

Yes, and next to Henry VIII and George III he's probably the most recognized (over here anyway)

I don't know; if I had to list the most famous English kings; I'd go Henry VIII, George III, and Richard the Lionhearted

William the Conqueror and Alfred the Great


And some very famous Queens, too: Bloody Mary, Elizabeth I, and Victoria.


Not to forget Queen Latifah.
 
2012-12-15 05:31:51 PM

corq: I know there's a better basis for the lyrics in "All along the Watchtower," but I swear I always thought it was about Richard III's assassination of the Princes in the Tower:

"All along the watchtower
Princes kept the view
While all the women came and went
Barefoot servants too

Outside in the cold distance
A wildcat did growl
Two riders were approaching
And the wind began to howl..."


//but I have crazed theories on everything


mimg.ugo.com
"The music's in the frackin' parking lot!" 

/So say we all
 
2012-12-15 05:56:12 PM

Nogrhi: corq: I know there's a better basis for the lyrics in "All along the Watchtower," but I swear I always thought it was about Richard III's assassination of the Princes in the Tower:

"All along the watchtower
Princes kept the view
While all the women came and went
Barefoot servants too

Outside in the cold distance
A wildcat did growl
Two riders were approaching
And the wind began to howl..."


//but I have crazed theories on everything

Who knew Richard III was a Cylon?


Everyone is a Cylon. Not that it matters.
 
2012-12-15 06:02:43 PM

Scipio: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

This. I mean really, no one thought to check the area for graves before putting a parking lot over the area? You'd think they would scan the area prior if they truly thought that this the area was where the Church of Grey Friars was located.


A history of the area.

This is not a case of a church being razed to install a car park.

From that page:

The tomb is presumed to have been demolished along with the Church following its dissolution after 1536.

[...]

The buildings fronting onto Grey Friars, Friar Lane, New Street, and St Martins surround an area that for over a century has been car parks, back yards, and a school yard, and were gardens for 300 years before that.


It's a case of 100 miles seeming a long distance to a Briton, while 100 years seems a long time to Americans.
 
2012-12-15 06:03:15 PM

Nem Wan: Nogrhi: corq: I know there's a better basis for the lyrics in "All along the Watchtower," but I swear I always thought it was about Richard III's assassination of the Princes in the Tower:

"All along the watchtower
Princes kept the view
While all the women came and went
Barefoot servants too

Outside in the cold distance
A wildcat did growl
Two riders were approaching
And the wind began to howl..."


//but I have crazed theories on everything

Who knew Richard III was a Cylon?

Everyone is a Cylon. Not that it matters.


If everyone was a Cylon, it wouldn't really matter.
 
2012-12-15 06:10:30 PM

Sgygus: the most famous English kings; I'd go Henry VIII, George III, and Richard the Lionhearted

King Arthur ;)


King Arthur is right out. Mainly because of the uncertainty of his existence; but also, even if he existed, England wasn't really a country in the 5th or 6th century. Can you be king of England if England isn't a country yet?

/ besides, he was really the king of the Britons
 
2012-12-15 06:32:55 PM
Whatever else was true about Richard III, he was a badass. At Bosworth, the opposition sent Sir John Cheney, a jousting champion who was around six foot six, to "take his out"- instead Richard took him clean off his horse with one blow. Sorta like how it would've looked if instead of taking a range weapon to Goliath David walked right up to him and biatch-slapped him until he cried.
 
2012-12-15 06:34:42 PM
This will include the results of radiocarbon dating tests, which will indicate the date the individual died within an 80-year range, and analysis of dental calculus which could reveal details about their and lifestyle, as well as the first images of the body.

The whole thing?
 
2012-12-15 06:35:42 PM

bugmn99: Was he the one that betrayed Winterfell?


Best part... forever.
 
2012-12-15 06:45:50 PM

HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?


Just maybe, old really is just old. How new was this parking lot, just what was the lineage of this plot of land?
 
2012-12-15 06:54:34 PM
FizixJunkee:


And some very famous Queens, too: Bloody Mary, Elizabeth I, and Victoria And Elton John.


FTFY
 
2012-12-15 07:11:52 PM

dericwater: Sgygus: the most famous English kings; I'd go Henry VIII, George III, and Richard the Lionhearted

King Arthur ;)

No Henry V? No King George VI? King James? King John (Magna Carta and all)? Richard the Lionheart?


Other than having taken leave of his sanity during most of his reign, George III isn't all that remarkable.

How the heck do you leave out Elizabeth and Victoria. They have entire historical periods named after them.

Or the entire Stewart dynasty? Or the Lord Protector?
 
2012-12-15 07:21:00 PM
"...information is being held back ahead of a major press conference next month, sources close to the project claim"

Holy crap, he was from Mars!
 
2012-12-15 07:25:02 PM

Gortex: dericwater: Sgygus: the most famous English kings; I'd go Henry VIII, George III, and Richard the Lionhearted

King Arthur ;)

No Henry V? No King George VI? King James? King John (Magna Carta and all)? Richard the Lionheart?

Other than having taken leave of his sanity during most of his reign, George III isn't all that remarkable.

How the heck do you leave out Elizabeth and Victoria. They have entire historical periods named after them.

Or the entire Stewart dynasty? Or the Lord Protector?


We were talking of kings, not monarchs, so I presumed that meant leaving out the queens. As for StUArts, they were not too popular.
 
2012-12-15 07:25:02 PM

Gortex: Other than having taken leave of his sanity during most of his reign, George III isn't all that remarkable.


He got to be fairly well known because of the manner in which some of his subjects told him to go fark himself.
 
2012-12-15 07:27:00 PM
Gortex: Or the entire Stewart dynasty? Or the Lord Protector?

Canute the Great drinks the Lord Protector's milkshake (while getting his feet wet).
 
2012-12-15 07:27:41 PM
Now they found Prince Albert.

byemylife.com

/just took a phone call
 
2012-12-15 08:00:16 PM

cptjeff: Gortex: Other than having taken leave of his sanity during most of his reign, George III isn't all that remarkable.

He got to be fairly well known because of the manner in which some of his subjects told him to go fark himself.


None of the Georges have the best of reputations. As the man once said:

George the First was always reckoned
Vile, but viler George the Second.
And what mortal ever heard
Any good of George the Third,
But when from earth the Fourth descended,
God be praised the Georges ended.
 
2012-12-15 08:11:34 PM

iheartscotch: Alfred the Great was the king of Wessex; maybe not a huge difference from king of England; but, as England really wasn't a nation at that time, can you really say he was the king of England?


Better the king of Wessex (or Sussex or Essex) than the king of Nossex.
 
2012-12-15 08:17:20 PM

0Icky0: iheartscotch: Alfred the Great was the king of Wessex; maybe not a huge difference from king of England; but, as England really wasn't a nation at that time, can you really say he was the king of England?

Better the king of Wessex (or Sussex or Essex) than the king of Nossex.


True; but, anything is better than middlesex.
 
2012-12-15 08:20:23 PM
Why is there no mention of the renowned "Mr. Ed" episode where Ed played Richard the 3 and pleaded," A me, a me, my kingdom for a me" ? Are none of you schooled in the classics?
 
2012-12-15 08:49:26 PM

dericwater: As for StUArts, they were not too popular.



IIRC, it was spelled "Stewart" frequently in contemporaneous documents.

Written English at the time - and before - had very little standardization in spelling, even when it came to proper names.
 
2012-12-15 09:16:15 PM

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: thanks for the Python reference


You're welcome.
 
2012-12-15 09:32:28 PM

TheOther: Final insult: all the cars in the lot are Tudors.



That's just how they roll.

/Wait, I thought you said they were Fourwheels.
 
2012-12-15 09:37:11 PM

kmmontandon: dericwater: As for StUArts, they were not too popular.


IIRC, it was spelled "Stewart" frequently in contemporaneous documents.

Written English at the time - and before - had very little standardization in spelling, even when it came to proper names.


You do recall correctly. The name originally came from the political office held - the High Steward of Scotland. The family name became Stewart until Mary Queen of Scots who used the French spelling of Stuart while she lived in France, so the name became Stuart thereafter. The lack of standardised spelling didn't help much either, so both spellings were freely used.

/when I was a kid and asked my dad about this after seeing both names in school books he told me they'd changed the name because the rent collector was after them.
 
2012-12-15 09:44:23 PM

Spiralmonkey:

You do recall correctly. The name originally came from the political office held - the High Steward of Scotland. The family name became Stewart until Mary Queen of Scots who used the French spelling of Stuart while she lived in France, so the name became Stuart thereafter. The lack of standardised spelling didn't help much either, so both spellings were freely used.



It's kind of amusing to read letters by royalty and nobility at the time (especially during their youth), where they don't even use the same spelling for a person or place in different letters ... or even in the same letter. It was all about phonetics.
 
Ni!
2012-12-15 09:48:35 PM

cptjeff: Gortex: Other than having taken leave of his sanity during most of his reign, George III isn't all that remarkable.

He got to be fairly well known because of the manner in which some of his subjects told him to go fark himself.


You may be thinking of Edward II there, mate. ;)
 
2012-12-15 09:49:53 PM

jupiterkansas: So who are the two dudes in the video standing there wearing armor?




They are the Knights Who Say 'KNEEd a car parked, ma'am???'.
 
2012-12-15 09:56:34 PM
I didn't do it! I wasn't even IN England! >_>'
 
2012-12-15 09:59:42 PM

kmmontandon: Spiralmonkey:

......

It's kind of amusing to read letters by royalty and nobility at the time (especially during their youth), where they don't even use the same spelling for a person or place in different letters ... or even in the same letter. It was all about phonetics.


Indeed. Just ask William Shakspere Shakspear Shakespear Marlow Shakespeare.
 
2012-12-15 11:24:04 PM

Spiralmonkey: Indeed. Just ask William Shakspere Shakspear Shakespear Marlow Shakespeare.


Chaikzsphere.
 
2012-12-16 01:32:54 AM

iheartscotch: cygnusx13: iheartscotch: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

Most famous? Those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

/ he was only king for 2 years; he did make some reforms; but, he really didn't do much

Yes, and next to Henry VIII and George III he's probably the most recognized (over here anyway)

I don't know; if I had to list the most famous English kings; I'd go Henry VIII, George III, and Richard the Lionhearted


I'd say the most famous British King was King Arthur, myself, real or not.

Historians have pretty much concluded that Richard III didn't kill the boys in the tower, by the way.
 
2012-12-16 01:59:18 AM

serialsuicidebomber: jupiterkansas: So who are the two dudes in the video standing there wearing armor?



They are the Knights Who Say 'KNEEd a car parked, ma'am???'.



Ah, jolly good then. Carry on....
 
2012-12-16 02:18:25 AM

Piestar: iheartscotch: cygnusx13: iheartscotch: HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?

Most famous? Those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

/ he was only king for 2 years; he did make some reforms; but, he really didn't do much

Yes, and next to Henry VIII and George III he's probably the most recognized (over here anyway)

I don't know; if I had to list the most famous English kings; I'd go Henry VIII, George III, and Richard the Lionhearted

I'd say the most famous British King was King Arthur, myself, real or not.

Historians have pretty much concluded that Richard III didn't kill the boys in the tower, by the way.


Well, if it wasn't Richard III or his men; it was Henry VII. Either way; they were dead, at the very latest, in 1485 when Henry married their sister. And why would have Richard have produced them when the rumor started, if they were still alive?
 
2012-12-16 03:19:40 AM

Boudica's War Tampon: Perhaps the greatest Richard the Third


Indeed.

i759.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-16 03:41:59 PM

HotWingAgenda: How the fark do you lose something so important on an island that tiny? Are English people really so incompetent that they go around paving over their most famous dead kings?


He wasn't liked. After he was killed in battle, his body was desecrated and buried in an unmarked grave in/near a building that was later destroyed (I think by Henry VIII when he dissolved the church) and the location lost under new construction.
 
2012-12-17 11:21:55 AM

MBK: Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this sun of York;
And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house
In the deep bosom of the ocean buried.
Now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths;
Our bruised arms hung up for monuments;
Our stern alarums changed to merry meetings,
Our dreadful marches to delightful measures.
Grim-visaged war hath smooth'd his wrinkled front;
And now, instead of mounting barded steeds
To fright the souls of fearful adversaries,
He capers nimbly in a lady's chamber
To the lascivious pleasing of a lute.
But I, that am not shaped for sportive tricks,
Nor made to court an amorous looking-glass;
I, that am rudely stamp'd, and want love's majesty
To strut before a wanton ambling nymph;
I, that am curtail'd of this fair proportion,
Cheated of feature by dissembling nature,
Deformed, unfinish'd, sent before my time
Into this breathing world, scarce half made up,
And that so lamely and unfashionable
That dogs bark at me as I halt by them;
Why, I, in this weak piping time of peace,
Have no delight to pass away the time,
Unless to spy my shadow in the sun
And descant on mine own deformity:
And therefore, since I cannot prove a lover,
To entertain these fair well-spoken days,
I am determined to prove a villain
And hate the idle pleasures of these days.
Plots have I laid, inductions dangerous,
By drunken prophecies, libels and dreams,
To set my brother Clarence and the king
In deadly hate the one against the other:
And if King Edward be as true and just
As I am subtle, false and treacherous,
This day should Clarence closely be mew'd up,
About a prophecy, which says that 'G'
Of Edward's heirs the murderer shall be.
Dive, thoughts, down to my soul: here
Clarence comes.


Wanton ambling nymph photos please.
 
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