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(Land Line)   Maryland lawmaker proposes to fine companies and cities that issue bogus speed camera fines   (landlinemag.com) divider line 35
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2012-12-15 11:41:33 AM
www.operatorchan.org
 
2012-12-15 12:39:55 PM
Bogus speed camera fines? So all of them then
 
2012-12-15 12:41:57 PM
Just grandstanding demagoguery from a politician.
 
2012-12-15 12:42:05 PM
The state wins no matter what, sounds like something that would pass.
 
2012-12-15 12:42:23 PM
Huzzah.

/Banned in my old state.
//$500/pop in my new state
 
2012-12-15 12:44:15 PM
Half of the fine should go to the person who got the ticket in the first place for being inconvenienced.
 
2012-12-15 12:45:35 PM
No Hero tag?
 
2012-12-15 12:47:53 PM
works for me.
 
2012-12-15 12:53:45 PM
So it's merely proposed? Seems that there should already be a law in place. Say, fraud.
 
2012-12-15 12:54:59 PM

mcsmiley: Half of the fine should go to the person who got the ticket in the first place for being inconvenienced.


Now we're talking.
 
2012-12-15 12:55:45 PM
Well how about it, assholes who defended these cameras and tickets in the previous thread? Still think everyone who gets a ticket only has themselves to blame?
 
2012-12-15 12:58:22 PM
 
2012-12-15 12:58:25 PM

fustanella: mcsmiley: Half of the fine should go to the person who got the ticket in the first place for being inconvenienced.

Now we're talking.


+1.

However, the cynical (or realistic) side of me says, Yep, it'll be "hoped" that the legislature takes up this bill until the speed camera company offers a $50,000 "campaign contribution" to this particular rep.

What I'd adore is if he took the cash and STILL pushed the bill. Granted, he'd be throwing his political career on the sacrificial altar of principle, but it would be awesome and heartening.

/would like to see more politicos sacrifice their careers on the altar of principle
//would like to see just one, actually
 
2012-12-15 12:59:32 PM
This will go nowhere.
 
2012-12-15 01:05:16 PM
Speed cameras should be banned outright. Especially in states with snow.
 
2012-12-15 01:07:02 PM
Where's the Hero Tag?

My daughter in law got a red light camera ticket while driving my car. She turned right on a red that triggered the camera.

Some company sent me a notice that looked like something that would,come from the court asking me to identify the driver. They wanted me provide her name, address, phone, and even her DL and SS number. So I guess I needed to rummage around her purse. Since they weren't offering a reward, I trashed the notice.

Assholes are as bad as scam artists.

I threw themda
 
2012-12-15 01:11:46 PM
Is a speeding ticket considered a type of police report? Because then you'd have the issuer on the hook for filing a false report. Otherwise, like someone up-thread suggested, it's fraud.

I'm sick of legislators constantly writing more laws against things that are already against the law. How about you get out there and enforce the laws we already have!
 
2012-12-15 01:14:54 PM
I don't think Texas allows speed cameras, so we got that going for us. I think there are a few red light cameras in San Antonio, but none anywhere near where I live, so they don't actually effect me. I still disagree with them in principle, and effectiveness however.
 
2012-12-15 01:16:34 PM
It makes no sense, in California the company tickets the car, not the driver. Traffic tickets are to be issued to the driver, not the car owner. If someone driving your car commits a traffic violation and a cop catches you, the driver is ticketed. Now if the car is illegally parked it gets towed, that's the owner's fault, however, that is not a moving violation.

So essentially the state is allowing 3rd parties to assess traffic violations against the car owner. Not to mention the "studies" performed by the companies that lawmakers cite to justify the cameras are paid for by the camera companies.

If you support traffic cameras, you support fascism.
 
2012-12-15 01:24:07 PM
Shouldn't this be the ironic tag?
 
2012-12-15 01:27:58 PM
Nope. Won't happen. LEOs and the camera businesses will squash it.

/because, safety
 
2012-12-15 01:38:41 PM

Honest Bender: I'm sick of legislators constantly writing more laws against things that are already against the law. How about you get out there and enforce the laws we already have!


You realize that's not how laws work, right? The vast majority of bills, including stuff like this, edit existing statutes, they don't add new ones. The actual language is probably adds a line or two to the provisions in the Maryland Code authorizing traffic cameras- something along the lines of, "if false reports are issued by the camera, for each offense, a fine not exceeding $10,000 but not less than 10 times the value of the ticket shall be imposed upon the authorizing government by the State of Maryland, to be paid into the general fund".

The trouble with relying on general fraud statutes or whatever is that you have to get a court to recognize a private right of action for the use of that statute in that context, you have to get a court to admit it applies, so on and so forth. Adding an explicit requirement targeted against a specific behavior makes it much, much more likely that that behavior will actually be addressed.
 
2012-12-15 01:51:05 PM
I'm not getting a kick out of this....I just got tagged for a speed camera violation in DC. Late at night, no traffic, 4-lane, limited access street......(e.g., no intersections or even sidewalks in the area). Saw the flash, looked down at my speedometer...which said just under 30MPH. There was a guy in front of me, so I didn't think anything of it....until I got the notice - $100. Said I was going 36MPH. Sucks.
 
2012-12-15 02:00:38 PM

kokomo61: I'm not getting a kick out of this....I just got tagged for a speed camera violation in DC. Late at night, no traffic, 4-lane, limited access street......(e.g., no intersections or even sidewalks in the area). Saw the flash, looked down at my speedometer...which said just under 30MPH. There was a guy in front of me, so I didn't think anything of it....until I got the notice - $100. Said I was going 36MPH. Sucks.


I'm torn between my hatred for cameras and people who drive below 30 mph :D
 
2012-12-15 02:18:53 PM

mcsmiley: Half of the fine should go to the person who got the ticket in the first place for being inconvenienced.


I'd say all of it. If the traffic court denies, then it can be appealed. Win on appeal and you $10,000 each. Fail that, appeal to superior court, win that you it's $100,000. Seriously my long time comment is that piddly fines should be collected and then returned to the public. File your taxes, get a refund and your share of the fines collected. Meaning the state doesn't get to keep any of it.
 
2012-12-15 02:22:00 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Nope. Won't happen. LEOs and the camera businesses will squash it.

/because, $afety


FTFY
 
2012-12-15 02:40:54 PM
How is the city going to pay the fine, again?
 
2012-12-15 02:42:14 PM
No no no.
If a maniacal machine falsely accuses a human, put it to death!
Only way to domesticate machines.
 
2012-12-15 02:42:14 PM
I applaud the effort of this lawmaker and, should he succeed in his endeavor to end bogus speed camera tickets, then my condolences to his family for when they find his body in gutter with seventeen bulletholes in it and the cops rule it a suicide.
 
2012-12-15 02:45:10 PM

kokomo61: I'm not getting a kick out of this....I just got tagged for a speed camera violation in DC. Late at night, no traffic, 4-lane, limited access street......(e.g., no intersections or even sidewalks in the area). Saw the flash, looked down at my speedometer...which said just under 30MPH. There was a guy in front of me, so I didn't think anything of it....until I got the notice - $100. Said I was going 36MPH. Sucks.


Sue the company and demand that the camera be impounded for inspection by a court-approved third party lab.

/good luck
 
2012-12-15 02:46:53 PM

Brick-House: Where's the Hero Tag?

My daughter in law got a red light camera ticket while driving my car. She turned right on a red that triggered the camera.

Some company sent me a notice that looked like something that would,come from the court asking me to identify the driver. They wanted me provide her name, address, phone, and even her DL and SS number. So I guess I needed to rummage around her purse. Since they weren't offering a reward, I trashed the notice.

Assholes are as bad as scam artists.

I threw themda


And then you paid the penalty after you missed paying for the ticket on your car, I assume.
 
2012-12-15 03:15:40 PM
Die, Red-Light camera scum!

www.seattlecaraccidentlawyerblog.com

camerafraud.files.wordpress.com

THERE! Are you dead yet?

/Totally hot 'n smokin'.
 
2012-12-15 05:08:10 PM
You cant stop Skynet.
 
2012-12-15 06:58:44 PM
No Hero tag?
 
2012-12-15 07:14:22 PM
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