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(Politico)   Noted pinko activist Warren Buffett calls for ban on automatic weapons. Oh, did I say Warren Buffett? I meant RUPERT MURDOCH   (politico.com) divider line 651
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NFA [TotalFark]
2012-12-15 12:28:23 AM
If Romney were president now, he would be calling for a nation wide ban on semi-auto's.
 
2012-12-15 12:34:02 AM
Too bad nobody told his network.
 
2012-12-15 12:40:33 AM
A ban on automatic weapons?

*click*

Terrible news today. When will politicians find courage to ban automatic weapons?

Wow. Way to stick your neck out there, Rupert. Calling for a ban on something which is already under severe restrictions if not outright illegal for private ownership.
 
2012-12-15 12:41:03 AM
Why did the words "lip service" just pop into my mind?
 
2012-12-15 12:44:44 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Why did the words "lip service" just pop into my mind?


Gee, I dunno. Maybe it's the way his statement was both mainly uncontroversial and irrelevant to what actually happened.
 
2012-12-15 01:01:47 AM
When was the last time a legally owned automatic weapon was used in a murder?
 
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2012-12-15 01:08:30 AM

violentsalvation: When was the last time a legally owned automatic weapon was used in a murder?


I'm a collector and the only case I've ever run across was a police officer who was dealing drugs used his legally registred and privately owned machine gun to kill a rival drug dealer.

According to Small Arms review about 10 years ago, that was the only case known since 1934.
 
2012-12-15 03:14:00 AM

Chariset: A ban on automatic weapons?

*click*

Terrible news today. When will politicians find courage to ban automatic weapons?

Wow. Way to stick your neck out there, Rupert. Calling for a ban on something which is already under severe restrictions if not outright illegal for private ownership.


My guess is that Rupert, coming from the realm of "journalism", has a typical journalist's understanding of firearms. That is he's confusing semi-automatic with automatic. Just a guess, though.
 
2012-12-15 07:58:16 AM
He does come from Australia, we have a strong history of gun control since the Port Arthur massacre.
 
2012-12-15 08:47:38 AM
I'll go to my grave convinced that Murdoch is simply an opportunist.

This is not what someone should desire in their news diet. However, where Fox is guilty of naked bullsh*t, CNN can't even be bothered to report real news in a passionless, detached tone (as I was told how journalism was supposed to work). Hell, they're the ones that patented the marriage of theme music and stupid graphics, apparently because we were too stupid to object.

And no one gives a f*ck about MSNBC, unless it's a right-wing pundit railing against it.

Ugh, I'm too irritated to finish this post - so let me just say: If you get your information from a a cable network, you are part of the problem.
 
2012-12-15 09:23:07 AM
I could care less about your rights any more than you could care about actually solving the problem, which lies in a) the drug trade b) mental health c) the gun culture of the United States, not the gun control d) and the "ugliness" of America, the loss of community and the sensationalization of these events.

You want gun "control"? Tackle those 4 huge issues and you'll get some.
 
2012-12-15 09:23:35 AM
His security team will be excepted, naturally.
 
2012-12-15 09:24:18 AM

Gulper Eel: His security team will be excepted, naturally.


And Roger Ailes'.
 
2012-12-15 09:29:15 AM
He must still be feeling guilty over enabling Jared Loughner.
 
2012-12-15 09:29:57 AM
If a "Second Amendment solution" is ever needed, have the wingnuts ever stopped to think what will be opposing a heavily armed citizen militia acting to remove a tyrant?

That's right.

The Strong Defense®, jackbooted police forces and surveillance state that the wingnuts built up for the War on Terra and the War on Civil LibertiesDrugs.

And yes, Obama needs to grow a pair and start tearing this surveillance state down.
 
2012-12-15 09:30:31 AM

coeyagi: c) the gun culture of the United States


We don't have a monolithic "gun culture". It's far different in suburbs like Newtown than it is in inner cities or rural America.
 
2012-12-15 09:31:58 AM

Gulper Eel: coeyagi: c) the gun culture of the United States

We don't have a monolithic "gun culture". It's far different in suburbs like Newtown than it is in inner cities or rural America.


Some countries don't have one period. They have guns for hunting but don't flex their nuts on Facebook every 3 hours to talk about it.
 
2012-12-15 09:33:21 AM
News report today said the semi-auto AR-15 was recovered from a car. So semiauto rifles dont factor in much to this case.

He used 2 handguns.
 
2012-12-15 09:34:49 AM
I almost....almost....got sucked into an argument on this with my gun-nut crazy cousin on Facebook last night. He was trotting out stuff like "Teachers in Israel carry guns and they haven't had an incident in 30 years" and "the FBI shows that incidents of violent crimes have fallen since states started allowing conceal/carry".
 
2012-12-15 09:35:55 AM

jayhawk88: I almost....almost....got sucked into an argument on this with my gun-nut crazy cousin on Facebook last night. He was trotting out stuff like "Teachers in Israel carry guns and they haven't had an incident in 30 years" and "the FBI shows that incidents of violent crimes have fallen since states started allowing conceal/carry".


Facebook - The Greatest Strawman Generator the World Has Ever Known.
 
2012-12-15 09:38:40 AM

coeyagi: I could care less about your rights any more than you could care about actually solving the problem, which lies in a) the drug trade b) mental health c) the gun culture of the United States, not the gun control d) and the "ugliness" of America, the loss of community and the sensationalization of these events.

You want gun "control"? Tackle those 4 huge issues and you'll get some.


I think this is the biggest issue. Finding help for mental issues is not only difficult for those who want it, but mental health issues also carry a very large social stigma which we as a society have yet to over come. Even depression is treated like something you can just cure with drugs, which I personally know is not the case. Having a daughter with Aspberger's, I can see why this happened (I don't justify it. I just know some of the issues these people face. My daughter will never drive a car because of it). I wish it didn't have to come to this before this country has a frank discussion on the mentally ill, but since it's out there, we need to talk about it. Mental illness is just as much an epidemic in modern society as any physical disease ever was.

/It really pisses me off when pundits put the blame on lack of God in schools or video games. That's a bullshiat cop-out from dealing with the real issues.
//Your post was spot on.
 
2012-12-15 09:38:48 AM

jayhawk88: I almost....almost....got sucked into an argument on this with my gun-nut crazy cousin on Facebook last night. He was trotting out stuff like "Teachers in Israel carry guns and they haven't had an incident in 30 years" and "the FBI shows that incidents of violent crimes have fallen since states started allowing conceal/carry".


Hah.. yeah, I almost got pulled in with a comment about how each year more people are killed with baseball bats than guns. But I rarely get in political arguments with even one friend at a time, let alone all of them.
 
2012-12-15 09:43:52 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: If a "Second Amendment solution" is ever needed, have the wingnuts ever stopped to think what will be opposing a heavily armed citizen militia acting to remove a tyrant?

That's right.

The Strong Defense®, jackbooted police forces and surveillance state that the wingnuts built up for the War on Terra and the War on Civil LibertiesDrugs.

And yes, Obama needs to grow a pair and start tearing this surveillance state down.


If you think that he wants to tear it down, then you haven't been paying attention. Actions speak louder than words ever will, and he''s outdone anything dubya(warmonger, torturer, etc.) did.
 
2012-12-15 09:44:04 AM

Erix: jayhawk88: I almost....almost....got sucked into an argument on this with my gun-nut crazy cousin on Facebook last night. He was trotting out stuff like "Teachers in Israel carry guns and they haven't had an incident in 30 years" and "the FBI shows that incidents of violent crimes have fallen since states started allowing conceal/carry".

Hah.. yeah, I almost got pulled in with a comment about how each year more people are killed with baseball bats than guns. But I rarely get in political arguments with even one friend at a time, let alone all of them.


I was all set to just pop in and say "correlation does not equal causation", but I knew even that would get me the stink eye at Christmas in a couple weeks.
 
2012-12-15 09:44:11 AM
Looks like Murdoch needs to go on the LOPCATGOPATA.
 
2012-12-15 09:45:14 AM

violentsalvation: When was the last time a legally owned automatic weapon was used in a murder?


Emotions are running high now and it is the perfect time to scare some gun control into people. Don't you dare ruin it.

/sarc
 
2012-12-15 09:46:12 AM
...If the reason for firearms is to allow for revolution in the face of dictatorship, why not ban ALL small arms, and only make anti-tank, anti-aircraft guns available, along with... tanks and jets and things?
 
2012-12-15 09:46:21 AM

jayhawk88: I almost....almost....got sucked into an argument on this with my gun-nut crazy cousin on Facebook last night. He was trotting out stuff like "Teachers in Israel carry guns and they haven't had an incident in 30 years" and "the FBI shows that incidents of violent crimes have fallen since states started allowing conceal/carry".


Be wary of those who say, "If those teachers had been armed...." These are the same people last week who were calling us incompetent and overpaid.
 
2012-12-15 09:47:19 AM

ole prophet: violentsalvation: When was the last time a legally owned automatic weapon was used in a murder?

Emotions are running high now and it is the perfect time to scare some gun control into people. Don't you dare ruin it.

/sarc


When they use the Shock Doctrine it's for progress...when we use the Shock Doctrine it's unconscionable.
 
2012-12-15 09:47:29 AM

starsrift: ...If the reason for firearms is to allow for revolution in the face of dictatorship, why not ban ALL small arms, and only make anti-tank, anti-aircraft guns available, along with... tanks and jets and things?


Because it would be much funnier to watch a bunch of imbeciles with hand guns try to take down the U.S. government.
 
2012-12-15 09:48:15 AM
Don't trust him, he wants to disarm the population so he can travel the countryside laying his eggs in people's spines.
 
2012-12-15 09:48:46 AM

coeyagi: Gulper Eel: coeyagi: c) the gun culture of the United States

We don't have a monolithic "gun culture". It's far different in suburbs like Newtown than it is in inner cities or rural America.

Some countries don't have one period. They have guns for hunting but don't flex their nuts on Facebook every 3 hours to talk about it.


Most countries don't have travelling gun shows where people more or less freely trade in weapons, ammunition and weapons related items all the while talking to each other that they need to accumulate more weaponry because we don't really live in a free society anymore.

There is a huge gun culture in our society. We have enshrined the right to own such weapons in founding document of our country. I can't say I'm totally blameless in participating, but some people get way too wrapped up in it IMO.

Like most said, we don't need gun bans. We need better care for the mentally disturbed. This guy, the guy that shot the Senator in Arizona, the DC sniper. None were mentally stable. It would be far better to help them than remove the tools they use. So yes, I 'm pro-gun and pro single-payer. So everyone can suck it.
 
2012-12-15 09:50:01 AM

SnarfVader: coeyagi: I could care less about your rights any more than you could care about actually solving the problem, which lies in a) the drug trade b) mental health c) the gun culture of the United States, not the gun control d) and the "ugliness" of America, the loss of community and the sensationalization of these events.

You want gun "control"? Tackle those 4 huge issues and you'll get some.

I think this is the biggest issue. Finding help for mental issues is not only difficult for those who want it, but mental health issues also carry a very large social stigma which we as a society have yet to over come. Even depression is treated like something you can just cure with drugs, which I personally know is not the case. Having a daughter with Aspberger's, I can see why this happened (I don't justify it. I just know some of the issues these people face. My daughter will never drive a car because of it). I wish it didn't have to come to this before this country has a frank discussion on the mentally ill, but since it's out there, we need to talk about it. Mental illness is just as much an epidemic in modern society as any physical disease ever was.

/It really pisses me off when pundits put the blame on lack of God in schools or video games. That's a bullshiat cop-out from dealing with the real issues.
//Your post was spot on.


Why do we assume he had a mental health issue? Maybe he's just a terroristy sociopath.
 
2012-12-15 09:50:01 AM

Gulper Eel: coeyagi: c) the gun culture of the United States

We don't have a monolithic "gun culture". It's far different in suburbs like Newtown than it is in inner cities or rural America.


I agree, he should have said the problem lies in the gun cultures in America.
 
2012-12-15 09:50:02 AM

starsrift: ...If the reason for firearms is to allow for revolution in the face of dictatorship, why not ban ALL small arms, and only make anti-tank, anti-aircraft guns available, along with... tanks and jets and things?


Well, you can get a fighter jet if you save enough Pepsi Points.
 
2012-12-15 09:50:29 AM
Maybe we'll talk about it after the next school massacre. Or the one after that.
 
2012-12-15 09:51:10 AM

coco ebert: SnarfVader: coeyagi: I could care less about your rights any more than you could care about actually solving the problem, which lies in a) the drug trade b) mental health c) the gun culture of the United States, not the gun control d) and the "ugliness" of America, the loss of community and the sensationalization of these events.

You want gun "control"? Tackle those 4 huge issues and you'll get some.

I think this is the biggest issue. Finding help for mental issues is not only difficult for those who want it, but mental health issues also carry a very large social stigma which we as a society have yet to over come. Even depression is treated like something you can just cure with drugs, which I personally know is not the case. Having a daughter with Aspberger's, I can see why this happened (I don't justify it. I just know some of the issues these people face. My daughter will never drive a car because of it). I wish it didn't have to come to this before this country has a frank discussion on the mentally ill, but since it's out there, we need to talk about it. Mental illness is just as much an epidemic in modern society as any physical disease ever was.

/It really pisses me off when pundits put the blame on lack of God in schools or video games. That's a bullshiat cop-out from dealing with the real issues.
//Your post was spot on.

Why do we assume he had a mental health issue? Maybe he's just a terroristy sociopath.


I am not assuming he did. I am assuming a great number of the perps who do this shiat have one.
 
2012-12-15 09:51:48 AM
This actually appears to be a trend in conservaties.

Semi-automatic handguns used to kill lots of children - ban automatic weapons.

Barely over a dozen Saudis and Egyptions operating from Afghanistan hijack airplanes and crash them into the WTC and Pentagon - invade Iraq.

They use current outrage to attack something completely different.
 
2012-12-15 09:52:35 AM

coco ebert: SnarfVader: coeyagi: I could care less about your rights any more than you could care about actually solving the problem, which lies in a) the drug trade b) mental health c) the gun culture of the United States, not the gun control d) and the "ugliness" of America, the loss of community and the sensationalization of these events.

You want gun "control"? Tackle those 4 huge issues and you'll get some.

I think this is the biggest issue. Finding help for mental issues is not only difficult for those who want it, but mental health issues also carry a very large social stigma which we as a society have yet to over come. Even depression is treated like something you can just cure with drugs, which I personally know is not the case. Having a daughter with Aspberger's, I can see why this happened (I don't justify it. I just know some of the issues these people face. My daughter will never drive a car because of it). I wish it didn't have to come to this before this country has a frank discussion on the mentally ill, but since it's out there, we need to talk about it. Mental illness is just as much an epidemic in modern society as any physical disease ever was.

/It really pisses me off when pundits put the blame on lack of God in schools or video games. That's a bullshiat cop-out from dealing with the real issues.
//Your post was spot on.

Why do we assume he had a mental health issue? Maybe he's just a terroristy sociopath.


And you think that being a sociopath is not a mental health issue? However, reports are coming in that he did have Aspergers  so I'm really not assuming anything.
 
2012-12-15 09:53:45 AM
Its so funny how DoucheCrats whine all the time about Fox News and Rupert Murdoch....when in reality Murdoch is a Liberal.

But, hey, what do you expect from Whiny Assed DoucheCrats...who keep calling for Gun Control after the Sandy Hook massacre...even though Connecticut and the school already had extensive Gun Control measures in place. Only a DoucheCrat calls for more failure to deal with failure
 
2012-12-15 09:55:36 AM

SnarfVader: coco ebert: SnarfVader: coeyagi: I could care less about your rights any more than you could care about actually solving the problem, which lies in a) the drug trade b) mental health c) the gun culture of the United States, not the gun control d) and the "ugliness" of America, the loss of community and the sensationalization of these events.

You want gun "control"? Tackle those 4 huge issues and you'll get some.

I think this is the biggest issue. Finding help for mental issues is not only difficult for those who want it, but mental health issues also carry a very large social stigma which we as a society have yet to over come. Even depression is treated like something you can just cure with drugs, which I personally know is not the case. Having a daughter with Aspberger's, I can see why this happened (I don't justify it. I just know some of the issues these people face. My daughter will never drive a car because of it). I wish it didn't have to come to this before this country has a frank discussion on the mentally ill, but since it's out there, we need to talk about it. Mental illness is just as much an epidemic in modern society as any physical disease ever was.

/It really pisses me off when pundits put the blame on lack of God in schools or video games. That's a bullshiat cop-out from dealing with the real issues.
//Your post was spot on.

Why do we assume he had a mental health issue? Maybe he's just a terroristy sociopath.

And you think that being a sociopath is not a mental health issue? However, reports are coming in that he did have Aspergers  so I'm really not assuming anything.


I'm just saying, as I've said in other threads, we tend to assume white males have a mental problem when these events happen, a conclusion not afforded other groups of killers.
 
2012-12-15 09:55:51 AM

Chariset: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Why did the words "lip service" just pop into my mind?

Gee, I dunno. Maybe it's the way his statement was both mainly uncontroversial and irrelevant to what actually happened.


So what else is new...
 
2012-12-15 09:58:14 AM

coco ebert: SnarfVader: coco ebert: SnarfVader: coeyagi: I could care less about your rights any more than you could care about actually solving the problem, which lies in a) the drug trade b) mental health c) the gun culture of the United States, not the gun control d) and the "ugliness" of America, the loss of community and the sensationalization of these events.

You want gun "control"? Tackle those 4 huge issues and you'll get some.

I think this is the biggest issue. Finding help for mental issues is not only difficult for those who want it, but mental health issues also carry a very large social stigma which we as a society have yet to over come. Even depression is treated like something you can just cure with drugs, which I personally know is not the case. Having a daughter with Aspberger's, I can see why this happened (I don't justify it. I just know some of the issues these people face. My daughter will never drive a car because of it). I wish it didn't have to come to this before this country has a frank discussion on the mentally ill, but since it's out there, we need to talk about it. Mental illness is just as much an epidemic in modern society as any physical disease ever was.

/It really pisses me off when pundits put the blame on lack of God in schools or video games. That's a bullshiat cop-out from dealing with the real issues.
//Your post was spot on.

Why do we assume he had a mental health issue? Maybe he's just a terroristy sociopath.

And you think that being a sociopath is not a mental health issue? However, reports are coming in that he did have Aspergers  so I'm really not assuming anything.

I'm just saying, as I've said in other threads, we tend to assume white males have a mental problem when these events happen, a conclusion not afforded other groups of killers.


Not true, whenever a radical Muslim does it, I assume it's because of a mental health issue commonly referred to as "organized religion".
 
2012-12-15 09:59:07 AM

fusillade762: Chariset: A ban on automatic weapons?

*click*

Terrible news today. When will politicians find courage to ban automatic weapons?

Wow. Way to stick your neck out there, Rupert. Calling for a ban on something which is already under severe restrictions if not outright illegal for private ownership.

My guess is that Rupert, coming from the realm of "journalism", has a typical journalist's understanding of firearms. That is he's confusing semi-automatic with automatic. Just a guess, though.


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2012-12-15 09:59:13 AM

SnarfVader: I wish it didn't have to come to this before this country has a frank discussion on the mentally ill, but since it's out there, we need to talk about it.


We had a frank discussion of it in the 1800's, and the result was construction of our first psychiatric hospitals. Before that, the typical action taken was to toss the mentally ill into a cell.

We had a frank discussion over 50 years ago and the result was hordes of mentally ill poured out onto the streets to fend for themselves. It pleased the right wing because it meant less government spending, and it pleased the left wing because it appealed to their naive belief that the mentally ill would be okay in the least restrictive setting possible. That didn't work out too well, so the typical action taken since the 60's has been to...toss the mentally ill into a cell.

Maybe this time around the frank discussion will get it right, but it looks like 50-50 odds of that happening.

We do know that this massacre would have been prevented with a measure that institutionalizes all young adult males whose parents own guns. Congress should get to work on this immediately, and if you're opposed you're a gun nut who hates the children.
 
2012-12-15 09:59:20 AM
According to Wikipedia (take it for what it's worth), about 75% of firearm crimes involve handguns. If you're interested in gun control, that would be the logical place to start, especially considering this mass shooter (and at least one previous) had pistols with extended ammo clips.
 
2012-12-15 09:59:44 AM

Mrbogey: News report today said the semi-auto AR-15 was recovered from a car. So semiauto rifles dont factor in much to this case.

He used 2 handguns.


A Sig Sauer and a Glock. I don't know the models but both manufactures have semi-auto handguns.
 
2012-12-15 09:59:45 AM

coco ebert: Why do we assume he had a mental health issue? Maybe he's just a terroristy sociopath.


Do you even read what you write?
 
2012-12-15 10:01:01 AM
The only real way to prevent this from ever happening again would be the institutionalization of everyone with Asperger's.


FARK threads would be a about a third of their current size, but we'd all be a lot safer.
 
2012-12-15 10:02:03 AM
I'm about as lefty lib as you can get, and even I'd rather see us just enforcing the laws already in place. And while we're at it, how about beefing up the mental health system in this country?


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