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(Engadget)   Reporters infiltrate Foxconn iPhone factory to find that conditions have improved and everybody is being paid a decent wage. Just kidding   (engadget.com) divider line 71
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2012-12-15 01:50:13 PM
Boy are your faces going to be red when you find out these Foxconn workers are actually robots assembled at a Best Korea detention facility by American sex slaves.
 
2012-12-15 02:01:10 PM

untaken_name: The reason they have those working conditions is because we don't, anymore. Our lazy working conditions result in much higher prices, which is offset by outsourcing. You can't have everything. Reality just doesn't work that way. Water runs downhill, and cheaper labor replaces more expensive labor. That's just how things are.


Look on the bright side. In a decade or two, manufacturing will return to the USA. Not quite the way that everyone wants, but still...
 
2012-12-15 02:11:02 PM
Yerrow peopo's probrems...
 
2012-12-15 02:41:09 PM

bulldg4life: Now, if you would like to expand your crusade to try and educate Americans on the horrible labor factories that produce their cheap products, fine.


Sometimes it's better to try and win one battle that's seen as important, and *then* expand the crusade.

Kind of like Romney expanding his crusade in the final days of his campaign, diverting resources away from Ohio to do so.

It's hard to get people to give a shiat about working conditions in countries other than their own. If Foxconn has got some of the public's limited attention, and stands to be an effective pressure point, then pushing on it is strategy, not hypocrisy. When some substantial success is achieved, then that would be a more opportune time to call people out on their hypocrisy, for not continuing the fight.
 
2012-12-15 02:53:14 PM

Sword and Shield: Zeno-25:

But, we have THE BEST healthcare system in the world if you're quite wealthy.

It's true. I'm a physician, and the amount of waste in the system is insane. Despite the "miracle" of electronic records, most systems don't talk to each other. If you get labs at one hospital and go to another two days later, you stand a good chance of getting them all again, even labs that make no sense to repeat.


It is fast heading that way, though. I work for a hospital network in Indiana, we are 5 months away from having all of our hospitals (14) live on Epic. We are working with IHIE as well, and there are systems coming down in the next year or so that will enable the patients and physicians anywhere here in indiana,. to be able to access the patients chart.

the last 2 years have been so the hardest work and most satisfying i've ever done in IT. I can't sit here and say that EMR is a miracle, but it defiintely improves effeciency. The biggest problem we have right now is the split between the docs that embrace it, and the ones that push back at learning how to use it.
 
2012-12-15 04:18:53 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: Serious question... is there any reason why the US government can't require workplace regulations to be met in order for a company to sell their product here in the USA?


Because the WTO wouldn't allow it. Which is why it's so crazy to see Tea Party folks whine nonstop about the UN and Agenda 21 when their leaders long ago gave national sovereignty away to an international trade group.
 
2012-12-15 05:50:50 PM

neongoats: Hint: your android isn't made under better conditions, stop acting like shining white Americans lovingly crafted it under the finest of working conditions for high pay and benefits.


China Labor Watch, released a report today detailing its investigations into eight factories in China, six of which were directly operated by Samsung, two of which made products for the electronics company but were run by suppliers.

Among the abuses found by China Labor Watch (CLW) at the factories were staff being "forced" to work 100 hours of overtime a month, unpaid hours and unsafe conditions.

The report says that workers at the eight factories also have to endure "standing for 11 to 12 hours while working, underage workers, severe age and gender discrimination, abuse of student and labor dispatch workers, a lack of worker safety, and verbal and physical abuse."


They went back after Samsung claimed to have fixed the problems.

China Labor Watch has accused Samsung supplier HTNS Shenzhen of hiring underage workers, forcing employees to work overtime, and other labor violations, even after Samsung said that an audit did not turn up any evidence of child labor at its suppliers' factories. In a report, CLW said that it found three workers under the age of 16, one of whom had been working at the factory since before the audit took place. By the time CLW had notified Samsung of the workers, two of them were no longer at HTNS, making it impossible to speak to them.

Besides the claim of underage workers, the report highlights employees being required to work up to 14 or 15 hours a day in poorly ventilated facilities. Plans for worker injuries and potential fires are allegedly lacking, with no infirmary or medical kit and a single fire extinguisher for the 1,100-person facility. It also mentions the usual spread of petty and arcane fines, with workers docked wages for leaving dorm lights on or "taking too much rice and failing to finish it."


So Samsung beats it's child laborers and then takes away their wages when they want some more gruel?

You should totally buy a Galaxy S III from Samsung instead of an iPhone.
 
2012-12-15 06:14:04 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: Serious question... is there any reason why the US government can't require workplace regulations to be met in order for a company to sell their product here in the USA?


WTO
 
2012-12-15 06:20:46 PM

randomjsa: Evil Twin Skippy: In Europe what passes for "health care" in the United States is considered an anachronism on par with the workhouses of Dickens or the flogging of sailors in "Mutiny on the Bounty." The crippling debt we crush students leaving college under is as distasteful as the Feudal system of the middle ages.

You are a complete and utter fool. America has the best health care in the world. We also have the best university system in the world.


3.5/10 you'll get some bites.
 
2012-12-15 06:37:37 PM

phedex: Sword and Shield: Zeno-25:

But, we have THE BEST healthcare system in the world if you're quite wealthy.

It's true. I'm a physician, and the amount of waste in the system is insane. Despite the "miracle" of electronic records, most systems don't talk to each other. If you get labs at one hospital and go to another two days later, you stand a good chance of getting them all again, even labs that make no sense to repeat.

It is fast heading that way, though. I work for a hospital network in Indiana, we are 5 months away from having all of our hospitals (14) live on Epic. We are working with IHIE as well, and there are systems coming down in the next year or so that will enable the patients and physicians anywhere here in indiana,. to be able to access the patients chart.

the last 2 years have been so the hardest work and most satisfying i've ever done in IT. I can't sit here and say that EMR is a miracle, but it defiintely improves effeciency. The biggest problem we have right now is the split between the docs that embrace it, and the ones that push back at learning how to use it.


Ha! Have fun with EPIC! It's not a cure all, I've used it at two different hospital systems for about six years now and it is rife with flaws. Every week we get "updates" to shiat they have added/changed/fixed and every other week we go down for two hours for them to "update" it.

Also, I work in an ER, I see us repeat labs that a clinic of ours (that uses EPIC) ran earlier in the day for no good reason all the time. EPIC won't fix the system.
 
2012-12-15 07:57:16 PM

Old enough to know better: A time machine view of Wisconsin in 2018.


0/10
 
2012-12-15 08:22:41 PM
And you still don't give a sh*t about Foxconn's other production line.
 
2012-12-15 08:28:44 PM

bulldg4life: gothelder: The apple devices should come with a tour of the plant where they were manufactured. Sort along the same vein where the townspeople living near the concentration camps during World War II were "encouraged" to visit them in order to reveal to them what was going on in their back yard.

Full functionality on the apple devices would not be achieved until a quiz was taken and passed on the documentary.

Be careful when you are preaching from a place so high and mighty. I'm assuming you feel you can make such restrictions since you don't own any apple products. Good for you

Actually I do not own any apple products, My Significant other does, but she is aware of what is going on with the manufacture of their iphones and will not upgrade because of it.

Of course, Foxconn is pretty much the single biggest private employer in china and they have a laundry list of clients that has included: amazon, cisco, dell, Motorola, Samsung, HP, Microsoft, Nintendo, Nokia, toshiba, Sony, and Visio.

When I hear of the same conditions in your laundry list of companies above occurring at Dell or Motorola manufacturing then I will fill guilty about my refurbished Dell Precision 670 and my Motorola piece of shiat smart phone which hardly a day goes by where I do not want to flush it down the toilet.

Now, if you are somehow able to say that you don't use any products from the above companies, I'd be impressed. But you'd also be lying.

This is not to absolve Foxconn or Apple. The conditions are horrible and they should be improved. But, it is quite dishonest to single out apple and it is quite ignorant to not realize that everything from shoes to computers (of every company) uses cheap labor in other countries. That's why shiat is so cheap and middle America can afford it.

My criticism was more pointed at apple than at foxconn because ultimately apple has the power to fix this and they choose not to. In the long run though it is likely to just end up causing a rather permanent association apple=suffering and that would be a nightmare to overcome.

Now, if you would like to expand your crusade to try and educate Americans on the horrible labor factories that produce their cheap products, fine. If you'd like to continue to prattle on about how you are superior to Apple idevice owners, you'll probably need a different topic.


I never claimed to be superior, I claimed to be aware of where my stuff comes from and how its made, I will raise you one better, How about if you go ahead now and throw away every electronic devices you own because the columbite-tantalite that are required for their operation may have come from Congo. If you are unaware of what goes on there and how much suffering your consumerism of electronics in general is causing you would not be able enjoy your bits of gadgetry as much as you do.
 
2012-12-15 08:38:10 PM

Zeno-25: bulldg4life: By what freaking metric do we have the best healthcare? It isn't by cost or health of our citizens, so I'm at a loss.

Perhaps it is purely by "level of care really rich people can get"

Yeah, this. Overall, our healthcare system is one of the most inefficient in the world, we pay far more than anyone else for worse results than most by any comparative metric.

[www.petersoninstitute.org image 600x393]

But, we have THE BEST healthcare system in the world if you're quite wealthy.


http://www.publicaffairs.ubc.ca/2012/02/17/international-ranking-for- i nfant-mortality-flawed-canadian-study/

That UNICEF study is pure garbage.
 
2012-12-15 08:40:11 PM

gothelder: If you are unaware of what goes on there and how much suffering your consumerism of electronics in general is causing you would not be able enjoy your bits of gadgetry as much as you do.


Are you saying that people who are aware of the suffering they cause by owning gadgets enjoy them more than people who don't know? Because that's what it sounds like you're saying.
 
2012-12-15 09:42:45 PM

Medic Zero: phedex: Sword and Shield: Zeno-25:

But, we have THE BEST healthcare system in the world if you're quite wealthy.

It's true. I'm a physician, and the amount of waste in the system is insane. Despite the "miracle" of electronic records, most systems don't talk to each other. If you get labs at one hospital and go to another two days later, you stand a good chance of getting them all again, even labs that make no sense to repeat.

It is fast heading that way, though. I work for a hospital network in Indiana, we are 5 months away from having all of our hospitals (14) live on Epic. We are working with IHIE as well, and there are systems coming down in the next year or so that will enable the patients and physicians anywhere here in indiana,. to be able to access the patients chart.

the last 2 years have been so the hardest work and most satisfying i've ever done in IT. I can't sit here and say that EMR is a miracle, but it defiintely improves effeciency. The biggest problem we have right now is the split between the docs that embrace it, and the ones that push back at learning how to use it.

Ha! Have fun with EPIC! It's not a cure all, I've used it at two different hospital systems for about six years now and it is rife with flaws. Every week we get "updates" to shiat they have added/changed/fixed and every other week we go down for two hours for them to "update" it.

Also, I work in an ER, I see us repeat labs that a clinic of ours (that uses EPIC) ran earlier in the day for no good reason all the time. EPIC won't fix the system.


lol.. I've had a lot of fun learning how to build the system (I work mainly in the orders side). Believe me I see a lot of problem issues, I just think that given the capabilities and how driven our teams are to make it the best possible for the users (i.e. the docs and nurses) that we are going to have a great system personally i'm die hard, passionate about finding out what people what something to do, and working towards getting it to do the things they do. From an IT perspective, Epic is a blast to work on. I understand completely the problems on the user end though. There are plenty of breaks in it. But as far as an eventual way for both patients and physicians, anywhere to look at their charts, its pretty amazing.

I don't know about your IT team, I just know that anything that breaks, we have a huge portion of physicians and users with a vested interest in getting it right.
 
2012-12-16 10:40:53 AM

untaken_name: gothelder: If you are unaware of what goes on there and how much suffering your consumerism of electronics in general is causing you would not be able enjoy your bits of gadgetry as much as you do.

Are you saying that people who are aware of the suffering they cause by owning gadgets enjoy them more than people who don't know? Because that's what it sounds like you're saying.


Actually that was supposed to be "If you were aware"
 
2012-12-16 02:05:16 PM

Barricaded Gunman: randomjsa: Here's a tip, the United States has loads of problems and there's plenty we are not "number one" at, particularly primary education. We've also managed to drop from 1 to 7 in 'competitiveness', but that doesn't change the facts... We have the best healthcare. We have the best university system. Period.

People who start posts by saying "here's a tip" are in the same league as people who refer to others on the internet as "son." It's a tepid attempt to try to bombast your way past anyone noticing you're full of sh#t, and it doesn't work nearly as well as you think.

And flatly stating "We have the best healthcare. We have the best university system" while offering no proof or even an indication of how you came to that conclusion? No one would do that unless they were A) a troll, or B) a low-information, foam-finger-waving #sshole, a watered-down, Sean Hannity wannabe, thick-headedly parroting things he desperately wishes were true.


So if I don't communicate in the exact same way you do, even though my points may actually be correct, if my ability to articulate my thoughts does not conform to some anally retentive, nit-picking template you have pulled out of your ass that gives you the right to generalize and insult me? Your ass, go pound sand up it.
 
2012-12-17 11:59:10 AM
The Fuhrer Gives the Jews A New Town!

Link
 
2012-12-17 02:13:46 PM

BolshyGreatYarblocks: The Fuhrer Gives the Jews A New Town!

Link


You should get an award. I don't think I've seen anyone Godwin an iHate Apple thread before.
 
2012-12-17 03:06:37 PM

styckx: HindiDiscoMonster: Serious question... is there any reason why the US government can't require workplace regulations to be met in order for a company to sell their product here in the USA?

Because nothing is made here, doing so would be suicide.

I'm drinking out of a 39 cent coffee mug.. It's made in China.. I stopped caring years ago..


The New Balance model 610 shoes I'm wearing right now were made in USA. OK, assembled in USA from foreign materials...
($65 at Kohls)
 
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