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2012-12-15 12:03:36 AM  
 
2012-12-15 02:21:42 AM  
cultofmac.cultofmaccom.netdna-cdn.com
 
2012-12-15 04:35:15 AM  

dopeydwarf: [cultofmac.cultofmaccom.netdna-cdn.com image 485x312]


That looks like it could be a still from a hostage video.
 
2012-12-15 04:54:46 AM  

Sir Cumference the Flatulent: dopeydwarf: [cultofmac.cultofmaccom.netdna-cdn.com image 485x312]

That looks like it could be a still from a hostage video.


in a way, it is. the entire population of china is held hostage.
 
2012-12-15 04:59:28 AM  
The apple devices should come with a tour of the plant where they were manufactured. Sort along the same vein where the townspeople living near the concentration camps during World War II were "encouraged" to visit them in order to reveal to them what was going on in their back yard.

Full functionality on the apple devices would not be achieved until a quiz was taken and passed on the documentary.
 
2012-12-15 05:24:50 AM  
A time machine view of Wisconsin in 2018.
 
2012-12-15 05:31:11 AM  
I suppose it's better than living under a box in a rat-infested subway or under a bridge.
 
2012-12-15 06:03:30 AM  
Don't care, just give me my tech device filled with the tears of tyranny.
 
2012-12-15 06:57:36 AM  
And is it any wonder why they are moving to assemble products with robots? Think about it, there are only so many suckers to be had, even in China. Sooner or later the Foxcons of the the world are going to simply run out of human capital, either by law or by a lack of recruitment. (Even prison labor wouldn't be able to satisfy their demand.)

So the next big phase of industrialization is robots. We were already there in the 80s, but in the 90s the sudden opening of the third world with their lack of any regulation at all managed to take us briefly back to the 1920s.

The side-trip to the third world did accomplish one thing: We will now be fawning over these firms for bringing skilled jobs back to our fine shores.

Gawd, the world really is like one of those Medieval world simulations where the only way to win is to starve your peasants for two years, and feed them in the third.
 
2012-12-15 06:59:17 AM  

gothelder: The apple devices should come with a tour of the plant where they were manufactured. Sort along the same vein where the townspeople living near the concentration camps during World War II were "encouraged" to visit them in order to reveal to them what was going on in their back yard.

Full functionality on the apple devices would not be achieved until a quiz was taken and passed on the documentary.


And where do you think the parts for your computer came from? No, really. Look inside your computer. It doesn't matter which brand. And the parts that come from other Chinese manufactures come with the same, and sometimes even worse, worker suffering attached to them.

The problem isn't Foxconn. The problem is China and American companies farming their manufacturing business to the cheapest supplier of labor, regardless of the cost to American jobs or the conditions of the foreign laborers lives.
 
2012-12-15 07:00:00 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Serious question... is there any reason why the US government can't require workplace regulations to be met in order for a company to sell their product here in the USA?


Because nothing is made here, doing so would be suicide.

I'm drinking out of a 39 cent coffee mug.. It's made in China.. I stopped caring years ago..
 
2012-12-15 07:03:25 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Serious question... is there any reason why the US government can't require workplace regulations to be met in order for a company to sell their product here in the USA?


Answer: Because most parts of the world that buy the things we make have a stricter standard than we do. If we tried to enforce that law, Europe would use that as a justification for slapping a tarrif on our airplanes, cars, and implements of destruction.

In Europe what passes for "health care" in the United States is considered an anachronism on par with the workhouses of Dickens or the flogging of sailors in "Mutiny on the Bounty." The crippling debt we crush students leaving college under is as distasteful as the Feudal system of the middle ages.
 
2012-12-15 07:13:53 AM  

Bob Down: I suppose it's better than living under a box in a rat-infested subway or under a bridge.


THIS

The problem with the "improving working standards" is that they have a cost. Give workers in Shenzen the conditions that western workers get, and each iPhone will cost more. Apple might find somewhere else cheaper to make their phones, and then what do you think the Foxconn workers will do then? Well, they'll probably become peasant farmers, which is what they're trying to escape from.

China is going through what we went through in the late 19th century/early 20th century and what South Korea went through in the 1950s. These working standards are only really bad by our standards. My grandfather would have had worse ones than this.

Ultimately, if someone will do the job cheaper than you will, you'll be finding yourself another job.
 
2012-12-15 07:26:33 AM  

farkeruk: Bob Down: I suppose it's better than living under a box in a rat-infested subway or under a bridge.

THIS

The problem with the "improving working standards" is that they have a cost. Give workers in Shenzen the conditions that western workers get, and each iPhone will cost more. Apple might find somewhere else cheaper to make their phones, and then what do you think the Foxconn workers will do then? Well, they'll probably become peasant farmers, which is what they're trying to escape from.

China is going through what we went through in the late 19th century/early 20th century and what South Korea went through in the 1950s. These working standards are only really bad by our standards. My grandfather would have had worse ones than this.

Ultimately, if someone will do the job cheaper than you will, you'll be finding yourself another job.


Get off Fark, you make too much sense
 
2012-12-15 07:27:31 AM  

gothelder: The apple devices should come with a tour of the plant where they were manufactured. Sort along the same vein where the townspeople living near the concentration camps during World War II were "encouraged" to visit them in order to reveal to them what was going on in their back yard.

Full functionality on the apple devices would not be achieved until a quiz was taken and passed on the documentary.


Be careful when you are preaching from a place so high and mighty. I'm assuming you feel you can make such restrictions since you don't own any apple products. Good for you.

Of course, Foxconn is pretty much the single biggest private employer in china and they have a laundry list of clients that has included: amazon, cisco, dell, Motorola, Samsung, HP, Microsoft, Nintendo, Nokia, toshiba, Sony, and Visio.

Now, if you are somehow able to say that you don't use any products from the above companies, I'd be impressed. But you'd also be lying.

This is not to absolve Foxconn or Apple. The conditions are horrible and they should be improved. But, it is quite dishonest to single out apple and it is quite ignorant to not realize that everything from shoes to computers (of every company) uses cheap labor in other countries. That's why shiat is so cheap and middle America can afford it.

Now, if you would like to expand your crusade to try and educate Americans on the horrible labor factories that produce their cheap products, fine. If you'd like to continue to prattle on about how you are superior to Apple idevice owners, you'll probably need a different topic.
 
2012-12-15 07:29:34 AM  

Evil Twin Skippy: In Europe what passes for "health care" in the United States is considered an anachronism on par with the workhouses of Dickens or the flogging of sailors in "Mutiny on the Bounty." The crippling debt we crush students leaving college under is as distasteful as the Feudal system of the middle ages.


You are a complete and utter fool. America has the best health care in the world. We also have the best university system in the world.
 
2012-12-15 07:34:04 AM  

randomjsa: Evil Twin Skippy: In Europe what passes for "health care" in the United States is considered an anachronism on par with the workhouses of Dickens or the flogging of sailors in "Mutiny on the Bounty." The crippling debt we crush students leaving college under is as distasteful as the Feudal system of the middle ages.

You are a complete and utter fool. America has the best health care in the world. We also have the best university system in the world.


I'm impressed that you are here beating the drum on Saturday mornings too.

You must get paid a lot.
 
2012-12-15 07:36:52 AM  

randomjsa: Evil Twin Skippy: In Europe what passes for "health care" in the United States is considered an anachronism on par with the workhouses of Dickens or the flogging of sailors in "Mutiny on the Bounty." The crippling debt we crush students leaving college under is as distasteful as the Feudal system of the middle ages.

You are a complete and utter fool. America has the best health care in the world. We also have the best university system in the world.


Obviously he's exaggerating, I assume for effect, but you don't have the best health care system in the world, and no, god knows we don't here either.
 
2012-12-15 07:40:21 AM  
Hint: your android isn't made under better conditions, stop acting like shining white Americans lovingly crafted it under the finest of working conditions for high pay and benefits.

I've got an android phone, but fark I'm sick of anti-apple android tards who think they are got damned Linus Torvalds for using an android. You aren't an ultra non conformist non-sheeple, your phone probably wasn't cheaper than an iPhone of its generation, and 99% of them are built in places as bad to significantly worse.
 
2012-12-15 07:42:04 AM  

randomjsa: Evil Twin Skippy: In Europe what passes for "health care" in the United States is considered an anachronism on par with the workhouses of Dickens or the flogging of sailors in "Mutiny on the Bounty." The crippling debt we crush students leaving college under is as distasteful as the Feudal system of the middle ages.

You are a complete and utter fool. America has the best health care in the world. We also have the best university system in the world.


Here's a tip.

This map is satirical.

chinadivide.com
 
2012-12-15 07:43:02 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Serious question... is there any reason why the US government can't require workplace regulations to be met in order for a company to sell their product here in the USA?


profits. duh.
 
2012-12-15 07:45:39 AM  

alowishus: randomjsa: Evil Twin Skippy: In Europe what passes for "health care" in the United States is considered an anachronism on par with the workhouses of Dickens or the flogging of sailors in "Mutiny on the Bounty." The crippling debt we crush students leaving college under is as distasteful as the Feudal system of the middle ages.

You are a complete and utter fool. America has the best health care in the world. We also have the best university system in the world.

Here's a tip.

This map is satirical.

[chinadivide.com image 784x552]


*right click* *save as*

*yoink*

Hilarious
 
2012-12-15 07:51:42 AM  

Slaxl: Obviously he's exaggerating, I assume for effect, but you don't have the best health care system in the world, and no, god knows we don't here either.


Yes we do, and whether or not he was exaggerating I don't doubt he thinks we have a lousy health care system. We have an excellent health care system. The university comments just sealed the deal... Wah, student debt... Considering how good our system is? Right.

bulldg4life: I'm impressed that you are here beating the drum on Saturday mornings too.


But he wasn't "beating the drum" I guess.

alowishus: Here's a tip.

This map is satirical.


Here's a tip, the United States has loads of problems and there's plenty we are not "number one" at, particularly primary education. We've also managed to drop from 1 to 7 in 'competitiveness', but that doesn't change the facts... We have the best healthcare. We have the best university system. Period.
 
2012-12-15 08:00:56 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Serious question... is there any reason why the US government can't require workplace regulations to be met in order for a company to sell their product here in the USA?


Result: you raise the price of goods to consumers. Consumers find themselves with less disposable income.

It's electoral suicide.

People can blame Foxconn, Walmart or whoever else. It's consumers who buy this stuff. In the case of laptops, I don't think they were given much choice, but in many other areas, they just buy cheap Chinese stuff.
 
2012-12-15 08:14:54 AM  
$290 a month? phh i make more than that on unemployment
 
2012-12-15 08:21:50 AM  
By what freaking metric do we have the best healthcare? It isn't by cost or health of our citizens, so I'm at a loss.

Perhaps it is purely by "level of care really rich people can get"
 
2012-12-15 08:30:53 AM  

bulldg4life: By what freaking metric do we have the best healthcare? It isn't by cost or health of our citizens, so I'm at a loss.

Perhaps it is purely by "level of care really rich people can get"


At its best, our medical/hospital system is significantly better than any other country's. On average for all citizens, not so much. Similarly, our university system is generally great, but we've got some issues there, too.

Our averages are high, but our standard deviations are huge.
 
2012-12-15 08:42:22 AM  

ChubbyTiger: At its best, our medical/hospital system is significantly better than any other country's. On average for all citizens, not so much. Similarly, our university system is generally great, but we've got some issues there, too.


That's my point. If the only metric is "the rich get awesome shiat", then we have awesome healthcare and the best university system in the world. All you need is hundreds of thousands of dollars for experimental technology and $50,000/year for school.
 
2012-12-15 09:24:08 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Serious question... is there any reason why the US government can't require workplace regulations to be met in order for a company to sell their product here in the USA?


Tariffs

It is technically one of the few things the government can impose legally (as a tax)

Apple would be looking to build a factory in Ohio if they had to shell out $500 for each ipad or iwhatever they brought in.
 
2012-12-15 09:25:43 AM  
Me Chinese,
Me play joke,
Me work 90 days in a row for Foxconn before I croak!

No wait a minute...
 
2012-12-15 09:27:15 AM  

alowishus: randomjsa: Evil Twin Skippy: In Europe what passes for "health care" in the United States is considered an anachronism on par with the workhouses of Dickens or the flogging of sailors in "Mutiny on the Bounty." The crippling debt we crush students leaving college under is as distasteful as the Feudal system of the middle ages.

You are a complete and utter fool. America has the best health care in the world. We also have the best university system in the world.

Here's a tip.

This map is satirical.

[chinadivide.com image 784x552]


Why is Africa missing?
 
2012-12-15 09:28:57 AM  
Why should we care? As everyone was so quick to point out during the Iraq war, it's not our job to police the world or tell other countries how to govern their own people.
 
2012-12-15 09:42:15 AM  

buttcat: Why is Africa missing?


I'd be surprised if most Americans could point out Africa on a map or name any significant person or event relating to Africa other than possibly "slaves came from there".
 
2012-12-15 09:55:59 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Serious question... is there any reason why the US government can't require workplace regulations to be met in order for a company to sell their product here in the USA?


Because it would reduce profits for the corporations which own our government?
 
2012-12-15 10:09:53 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: $290 a month? phh i make more than that on unemployment


America has the best debt in the world!
 
2012-12-15 10:11:29 AM  
Where are the articles about the conditions in the Foxconn plants for android phones?

Meanwhile, Apple is quietly moving production to Brazil.

But autocorrect doesn't capitalize brazil.
 
2012-12-15 10:21:34 AM  
Remember kids, both sides are bad, so vote Apple.
 
2012-12-15 10:35:30 AM  

bulldg4life: By what freaking metric do we have the best healthcare? It isn't by cost or health of our citizens, so I'm at a loss.

Perhaps it is purely by "level of care really rich people can get"


Yeah, this. Overall, our healthcare system is one of the most inefficient in the world, we pay far more than anyone else for worse results than most by any comparative metric.

www.petersoninstitute.org

But, we have THE BEST healthcare system in the world if you're quite wealthy.
 
2012-12-15 10:40:45 AM  
randomjsa: Here's a tip, the United States has loads of problems and there's plenty we are not "number one" at, particularly primary education. We've also managed to drop from 1 to 7 in 'competitiveness', but that doesn't change the facts... We have the best healthcare. We have the best university system. Period.

People who start posts by saying "here's a tip" are in the same league as people who refer to others on the internet as "son." It's a tepid attempt to try to bombast your way past anyone noticing you're full of sh#t, and it doesn't work nearly as well as you think.

And flatly stating "We have the best healthcare. We have the best university system" while offering no proof or even an indication of how you came to that conclusion? No one would do that unless they were A) a troll, or B) a low-information, foam-finger-waving #sshole, a watered-down, Sean Hannity wannabe, thick-headedly parroting things he desperately wishes were true.
 
2012-12-15 10:49:49 AM  

Ed Grubermann: gothelder: The apple devices should come with a tour of the plant where they were manufactured. Sort along the same vein where the townspeople living near the concentration camps during World War II were "encouraged" to visit them in order to reveal to them what was going on in their back yard.

Full functionality on the apple devices would not be achieved until a quiz was taken and passed on the documentary.

And where do you think the parts for your computer came from? No, really. Look inside your computer. It doesn't matter which brand. And the parts that come from other Chinese manufactures come with the same, and sometimes even worse, worker suffering attached to them.

The problem isn't Foxconn. The problem is China and American companies farming their manufacturing business to the cheapest supplier of labor, regardless of the cost to American jobs or the conditions of the foreign laborers lives.


Yes, that is a problem if you are a human being who cares about humanity. If you are a corporation that exists solely for the purpose of making money for its shareholders then this is the opposite of a problem, it is an opportunity.
 
2012-12-15 10:51:12 AM  
"I enjoy repeatedly singling out one company for something because it helps me stroke my hate-boner."
 
2012-12-15 10:59:09 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Serious question... is there any reason why the US government can't require workplace regulations to be met in order for a company to sell their product here in the USA?


Ye$.
 
2012-12-15 11:48:34 AM  
Call me when they infiltrate a Chinese textile mill or a coal mine.

/false outrage is false
 
2012-12-15 12:46:00 PM  

bulldg4life: That's my point. If the only metric is "the rich get awesome shiat", then we have awesome healthcare and the best university system in the world. All you need is hundreds of thousands of dollars for experimental technology and $50,000/year for school.


...so that you can get a $20k/year data entry job that requires a Masters degree, go nowhere because everyone and their brother went into the field you want into, get canned when you're 30 because there are new college grads who will do the work for $18k, flounder around doing crap jobs, rack up millions of dollars in debt for medical costs, and then live out the last 50 years of your life as a Wal-Mart greeter because you were never able to save up any money for retirement and Social Security was thoroughly gutted.

Sounds awesome!
 
2012-12-15 12:56:31 PM  
Legalized slave labor. I love the smell of burning electrons in the morning.
 
2012-12-15 01:11:51 PM  

heypete: buttcat: Why is Africa missing?

I'd be surprised if most Americans could point out Africa on a map or name any significant person or event relating to Africa other than possibly "slaves came from there".


Orlock Bahama came from Kenya, right?

/oh, wait, Kenya is in South America, duh
 
2012-12-15 01:26:04 PM  

Zeno-25:

But, we have THE BEST healthcare system in the world if you're quite wealthy.


It's true. I'm a physician, and the amount of waste in the system is insane. Despite the "miracle" of electronic records, most systems don't talk to each other. If you get labs at one hospital and go to another two days later, you stand a good chance of getting them all again, even labs that make no sense to repeat.
 
2012-12-15 01:48:14 PM  
The reason they have those working conditions is because we don't, anymore. Our lazy working conditions result in much higher prices, which is offset by outsourcing. You can't have everything. Reality just doesn't work that way. Water runs downhill, and cheaper labor replaces more expensive labor. That's just how things are.
 
2012-12-15 01:50:13 PM  
Boy are your faces going to be red when you find out these Foxconn workers are actually robots assembled at a Best Korea detention facility by American sex slaves.
 
2012-12-15 02:01:10 PM  

untaken_name: The reason they have those working conditions is because we don't, anymore. Our lazy working conditions result in much higher prices, which is offset by outsourcing. You can't have everything. Reality just doesn't work that way. Water runs downhill, and cheaper labor replaces more expensive labor. That's just how things are.


Look on the bright side. In a decade or two, manufacturing will return to the USA. Not quite the way that everyone wants, but still...
 
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