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(Telegraph)   The reason you pay so much for milk and bread at the supermarket is because the supermarket needs to overcharge you for everyday food items in order to afford to sell its alcohol at low, low prices   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 102
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2012-12-15 02:22:51 AM

ramblinwreck: jm105: They sell alcohol at supermarkets?

/Lives in PA

In CA, grocery stores sell everything. Booze, wine, beer...everything. I move to MS after getting orders...holy cow, these people are clueless on how other states operate.


I never knew they DIDN'T sell booze in grocery stores till I traveled back east. I don't know how you guys live back there.
 
2012-12-15 02:23:00 AM

schief2: MorteDiem: This is the reason the processed food industry really exists. If milk really could be left in a 1L or 2L plastic bottle on a room-temp space in a nonrefrigerated truck, storeroom, and store shelf, it'd be much easier to carry and would sell a lot better.

Never heard of aseptic packaging? In Mexico, 95% of the milk sold is non-refrigerated and shelf stable.

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Pretty big in Europe too, I gather. Seems to be good for 9 months or a year on the shelf, but obviously it has to be refrigerated once it's opened and then lasts about as long as a normal carton of milk. I'm no milk connoisseur, but it tasted fine to me.

My guess is that it's not caught on in the US because people would just be too weirded out by the concept of buying milk on the shelf next to, say, canned tomatoes.

UHT milk


But they sell chicken/beef stock in those and people buy them by the cartfull. It's just a matter of time.
 
2012-12-15 02:29:11 AM

Gyrfalcon: ramblinwreck: jm105: They sell alcohol at supermarkets?

/Lives in PA

In CA, grocery stores sell everything. Booze, wine, beer...everything. I move to MS after getting orders...holy cow, these people are clueless on how other states operate.

I never knew they DIDN'T sell booze in grocery stores till I traveled back east. I don't know how you guys live back there.


When I visited my brother in PA the liquor warehouse was right next to the grocery store anyways and had a great selection. I never pay attention to prices when I buy booze though. I've heard its quite a bit of a markup.
 
2012-12-15 02:54:01 AM

Smackledorfer: Gyrfalcon: ramblinwreck: jm105: They sell alcohol at supermarkets?

/Lives in PA

In CA, grocery stores sell everything. Booze, wine, beer...everything. I move to MS after getting orders...holy cow, these people are clueless on how other states operate.

I never knew they DIDN'T sell booze in grocery stores till I traveled back east. I don't know how you guys live back there.

When I visited my brother in PA the liquor warehouse was right next to the grocery store anyways and had a great selection. I never pay attention to prices when I buy booze though. I've heard its quite a bit of a markup.


NY liquor stores usually have good placement within walking distance of the most popular grocery store /shrug
 
2012-12-15 03:13:18 AM
54 in and nobody did Been caught stealing Yet ? for shame. FOR SHAME !
 
2012-12-15 03:15:12 AM
This is why I buy bread at the bakery outlet store. 77 cents a loaf for the same exact brand of bread I can buy at the grocery store for almost $3/loaf. Buy 7 or 8 loaves at a time, throw em in the freezer, get them when needed.

There's a raw milk group around here that offers their stuff at the equivalent of $2/gallon (can't "buy" it, but you buy shares of the farm and the milk is "free" for pet consumption), but...no.
 
2012-12-15 03:19:38 AM

American Decency Association: and supermarkets want to give away alcohol for what reason again?


They are caught up with other supermarkets in price wars. They could choose vegetables for that, but vegetables don't keep long, so you might balance that against the further away car drive, or they might choose tins of tomato, but they aren't sexy enough to advertise with. Cheap booze is what gets people to your store, so yeah - Cameron is right. Though supermarkets see it more through the lens of the statistical total picture of things they sell.
 
2012-12-15 03:24:06 AM

Ambivalence: Grocery stores often charge less for certain staple items like meat (i forget what the term is called. Loss leader?) than they can make a profit on so they can get you in the store, and then inflate prices for convenience items to make up for it.


Around here milk and bread are often the loss leaders as well as certain cuts of meat.

/milk drinker here
//not a good customer
///takes the time and effort to never pay retail unless absolutely necessary
 
2012-12-15 03:46:00 AM
So let me get this straight, they charge me more for milk so they can sell alcohol at a loss?

If they can charge me more for milk, they will. That much I get. What I dont get is how it benefits them to sell alcohol for less than they could sell it for.

To get more people in the store? well, lower milk prices would do that to.

Me thinks this guy is full of crap.
 
2012-12-15 03:48:57 AM

OgreMagi: Milk in the US is expensive because Congress mandates a minimum price. Why does Congress hate children with rickets?


And milk is expensive in New Zealand - a country that produces enough milk to drown every citizen several times over - because we have to pay "international prices" to compete with what they get when they export it.

Which would make more sense if you couldn't get NZ dairy products cheaper overseas than here.
 
2012-12-15 04:56:01 AM
i.telegraph.co.uk

"Hmm... So this is what dinner looks like before the servants assemble it..."
 
2012-12-15 05:10:29 AM

OgreMagi: Milk in the US is expensive because Congress mandates a minimum price. Why does Congress hate children with rickets?


Phlegm abatement policies are beneficial.
 
2012-12-15 05:24:51 AM
This whole "subsidization" theory is completely nonsensical.
 
2012-12-15 05:55:58 AM
I'm going to suggest that Cameron try feeding his children liquor instead of milk, then. A good vodka goes great on your corn flakes!
 
2012-12-15 06:48:19 AM
Shut up Cameron, you Tory wankstain.

The attempt by the government to set a minimum price on alcohol is nothing new. I think that was Labour's plan as well. What is new is justifying it based on the purely economic analysis found in one article in a medical journal of all places. Pathetic. How stupid does he think we are?

Secondly, Cameron isn't middle class. He's pure toff, through and through. I'm middle class but next to him I look like Rab C Nesbitt. If he actually wants to legitimately serve the needs of the middle class and the working class, something I doubt very much, then he needs to listen to the people instead of telling us what we need.

Here's the first hint: we don't need to pay more for lager.
 
2012-12-15 06:49:35 AM
Joke's on you, supermarket! Alcohol IS an everyday food item!

=Smidge=
 
2012-12-15 06:54:57 AM
Oh. "Ye Olde Milke and Breade". Here in Murrica, we let the market figger it out. They're free ya know.
 
2012-12-15 07:04:53 AM

Shyla: My grocery store doesn't sell booze. Stop posting everything on Daily Fail.


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2012-12-15 07:07:15 AM
Do stores over there actually sell cider?!?!? SWEET

/must be nice; all we get over here is that pasteurized, ruined, tasteless shiat... unless you are still lucky enough to live around an orchard that sells the real stuff.
 
2012-12-15 07:08:00 AM

VvonderJesus: As someone who drinks 2+ gallons of milk a week, I'm not getting a kick out of this.


you should just get a dispenser and be done with it... you can get it in 5 gallon bags then... much cheaper, oh and you can get the 5 gallon bags in chocolate too.

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/FTW
 
2012-12-15 07:11:25 AM

schief2: MorteDiem: This is the reason the processed food industry really exists. If milk really could be left in a 1L or 2L plastic bottle on a room-temp space in a nonrefrigerated truck, storeroom, and store shelf, it'd be much easier to carry and would sell a lot better.

Never heard of aseptic packaging? In Mexico, 95% of the milk sold is non-refrigerated and shelf stable.

[cdn9.wn.com image 468x351]

Pretty big in Europe too, I gather. Seems to be good for 9 months or a year on the shelf, but obviously it has to be refrigerated once it's opened and then lasts about as long as a normal carton of milk. I'm no milk connoisseur, but it tasted fine to me.

My guess is that it's not caught on in the US because people would just be too weirded out by the concept of buying milk on the shelf next to, say, canned tomatoes.

UHT milk


and tastes like shiat too.
for me... the only choices are:

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www.viewpoints.com
The dark cap only, not that 2% chocolate milk shiat... if you are going to drink unhealthy, the go for the gusto.
 
2012-12-15 07:12:20 AM

Smackledorfer: It wouldn't make a difference. I have to go back to the store for eggs and fresh fruits and vegetables once a week anyways. Milk lasts plenty long for me. Though I have heard the aseptic stuff has a better taste. But I don't really have a leg to stand on regarding milk taste: I drink skim.


That is not milk... it is colored water.
 
2012-12-15 07:37:27 AM
malvasiabianca.org

Finally. The crotch droppings bear some of the cost of the responsible adults for once... instead of the other way around.
 
2012-12-15 08:09:38 AM

alienated: 54 in and nobody did Been caught stealing Yet ? for shame. FOR SHAME !


finally. my first thought was the markups due to shoplifting.
/like you've never stolen anything in america
 
2012-12-15 08:13:28 AM
Booze prices in MI are set by the Liquor Control Commission here in MI. There is a minimum price that stores can not drop below.
As mentioned already, milk is also price-regulated throughout the country.
As is fuel.
And all agricultural products are subsidized, which is the same thing, really.
Banks get bailed out when they fail.
As do megalithic auto companies.
Individuals are financially subsidized for life by the government as well, even ones who are not US citizens.

It kind of makes you wonder what ever happened to that whole free-market economy based on supply and demand, doesn't it? Gee, I wonder why the economy isn't working like it is supposed to...hmm....

Price regulation and subsidizing are communist, not capitalist. In capitalism there are losers, and the losers are allowed to fail and die. This No Business Left Behind crap is not just foolish, it is un-American.
 
2012-12-15 08:19:52 AM
Guess I'm gonna go find an alcoholic - and whoop him!
 
2012-12-15 08:24:32 AM

jafiwam: Finally. The crotch droppings bear some of the cost of the responsible adults for once... instead of the other way around.


Except for the part where the responsible adult is the one buying the milk for the crotch droppings?
 
2012-12-15 08:28:57 AM

BravadoGT: But this is in the UK, not the USA. You know-so no one cares.


I wouldn't care anyway, fark milk and bread give me booze reasonably priced.
 
2012-12-15 09:00:09 AM
Not a problem in the states. We keep the cost high with plenty of sin tax.
 
2012-12-15 09:23:39 AM
www.nestlegiftshop.com

Bought warm, in the grocery store, on a shelf, IN MANILA. Taste better than any milk I ever had here. We are being scammed.
 
2012-12-15 09:26:52 AM

Smeggy Smurf: Mad Mark: What is this "milk" thing you speak of?

It's what you melt chocolate in and then spike with booze. Liquid panty remover


I'll have to try that!
 
2012-12-15 09:53:52 AM

MorteDiem: Oznog: Ambivalence: Grocery stores often charge less for certain staple items like meat (i forget what the term is called. Loss leader?) than they can make a profit on so they can get you in the store, and then inflate prices for convenience items to make up for it.

That being said, at least in the U.S., milk prices are intentionally inflated by the government or else dairies could not possibly make any kind of money providing it. The supply/demand curve and the cost of maintaining livestock is such that it would be impossible for dairys to sell milk anywhere close to the cost it requires to produce it.

Milk, bread, vegetables and other fresh food are MUCH harder to stock, logistically.

They require refrigeration, non-compact shelf usage, and/or careful handling. And almost all are perishable and what doesn't sell has to get thrown out or discounted. Thus you have to be careful not to order too much, too, you can't just keep extra milk around until it sells.

This is the reason the processed food industry really exists. If milk really could be left in a 1L or 2L plastic bottle on a room-temp space in a nonrefrigerated truck, storeroom, and store shelf, it'd be much easier to carry and would sell a lot better.

Never heard of aseptic packaging? In Mexico, 95% of the milk sold is non-refrigerated and shelf stable.


It's also virtually undrinkable.
 
2012-12-15 10:18:39 AM

cman: I'd consider that a fair trade


It's like a blessing from Heaven.
 
2012-12-15 10:31:16 AM
As someone who sells milk on the retail level, I call BS to that. I make exactly 3¢ off every gallon of milk, hardly inflating the price since that's >1% profit.
 
2012-12-15 10:41:55 AM
... and now to cover all the costs of ObamaCare forced upon employers
 
2012-12-15 11:48:59 AM

Clemkadidlefark: ... and now to cover all the costs of ObamaCare forced upon employers


In the UK??? Wow Obamacare is far-reaching!!
 
2012-12-15 12:34:20 PM

trivial use of my dark powers: I have gathered, after hanging around Fark, that if you drink enough beer you don't need bread, plus the Tums taken for the alcoholic gastritis supply all the calcium one needs.

Should I get out more I wonder.


Yes. Me and you, both. Off the gdamm internet and outside. People are actually not always so bad. People talk to me when I go food shopping. They have no idea what a total dooshbag I really am, I guess I hide it well.
 
2012-12-15 01:53:01 PM
Is there a 'Middle Class Only' section in the supermarket that I'm not aware of?
 
2012-12-15 01:55:22 PM

ladyfortuna: ramblinwreck: jm105: They sell alcohol at supermarkets?

/Lives in PA

In CA, grocery stores sell everything. Booze, wine, beer...everything. I move to MS after getting orders...holy cow, these people are clueless on how other states operate.

Allow me to demonstrate: NSFW in general but this one isn't too bad


I would laugh at that, but it is a little too true. My local California gas station went from just selling gas to now being a head shop as well. You can buy bongs, rolling papers and other things in the store. It also has a Taco truck parked in front of it pretty much permanently. The buck fifty tamales are pretty good.
 
2012-12-15 02:05:21 PM
BS... Food items at a grocer make almost not money. The markup is usually around 1-2%.
The real money of a grocery store is made on the candies and crap near the registers.
 
2012-12-15 03:07:43 PM
I'm sure there's a grain of truth in this....of course, he's deliberately ignoring the high taxes on alcohol products and the government attempts at slowing drinking by upping the cost, and the fact that customers still want them. The free market isn't the perfect solution libertarians like to claim, but the basic rules of supply and demand are still there no matter what you do.

I'm pretty liberal by American standards, but when I see nanny-state assholes using problems they have created as an excuse for further causing of problems, I get a bit irritated, and then I need a nice cold beer to relax.
 
2012-12-15 03:22:17 PM

bratface: Is there a 'Middle Class Only' section in the supermarket that I'm not aware of?


Yes, it's the part where they sell fresh fruits and vegetables.
 
2012-12-15 03:26:27 PM

KrispyKritter: trivial use of my dark powers: I have gathered, after hanging around Fark, that if you drink enough beer you don't need bread, plus the Tums taken for the alcoholic gastritis supply all the calcium one needs.

Should I get out more I wonder.

Yes. Me and you, both. Off the gdamm internet and outside. People are actually not always so bad. People talk to me when I go food shopping. They have no idea what a total dooshbag I really am, I guess I hide it well.


probably a combination of you acting differently too and others not wanting to take the additional risk/time to call you out on douchiness irl.
 
2012-12-15 03:37:05 PM
Beer is available in certain grocery stores in PA. Almost all of the Wegmans sell beer ( I think only Harrisburg doesn't), as do a number of Whole Foods and a few other random stores (a Weis in Allentown and a Giant in State College, come to mind). Hopefully, more are to come.

I believe wine and liquor are still available only through state liquor stores or the actual producing winery, though.
 
2012-12-15 04:42:20 PM

Mad Mark: Smeggy Smurf: Mad Mark: What is this "milk" thing you speak of?

It's what you melt chocolate in and then spike with booze. Liquid panty remover

I'll have to try that!


Removing liquid panties is more difficult than you might think. That's why I like to do it while soaked in booze
 
2012-12-15 04:56:08 PM

bratface: Is there a 'Middle Class Only' section in the supermarket that I'm not aware of?


All of Waitrose.
 
2012-12-15 05:55:40 PM
i always wondered what was in the other aisles in the supermarket were filled with.
 
2012-12-15 09:45:42 PM
Where is this at ? The price of beer is through the roof around here . It's cheaper to buy milk and soda nowadays .

/DRTFA
 
2012-12-15 10:01:24 PM
No, they're gouging the crap outta people for food here, too and it's because - wait for it - they can. You have to eat, and the corporate whores upstairs demand more profit and they said: "Since you gotta eat, so you'll pay whatever". See - Medical care.
 
2012-12-16 06:12:31 PM

absherlock: Beer is available in certain grocery stores in PA. Almost all of the Wegmans sell beer ( I think only Harrisburg doesn't), as do a number of Whole Foods and a few other random stores (a Weis in Allentown and a Giant in State College, come to mind). Hopefully, more are to come.

I believe wine and liquor are still available only through state liquor stores or the actual producing winery, though.


Don't know how many will recall it, but I saw here on Fark in fact that Wegmans tried a pilot program selling wine out of a sort of 'vending' machine, but people buying it had to blow into a breathalyzer type thing. They pulled the plug because people were too weirded out to make it profitable or something like that.
 
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