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(Telegraph)   The reason you pay so much for milk and bread at the supermarket is because the supermarket needs to overcharge you for everyday food items in order to afford to sell its alcohol at low, low prices   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 102
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2012-12-14 09:43:25 PM
But this is in the UK, not the USA. You know-so no one cares.
 
2012-12-14 10:14:32 PM
I'd consider that a fair trade
 
2012-12-14 10:33:38 PM
So shop at a store that doesn't sell liquor.
 
2012-12-14 10:44:40 PM
the grocery stores in my county don't sell alcohol. I have to go to either the beer and wine store or the county hard liquor store.
 
2012-12-14 11:02:10 PM
I have gathered, after hanging around Fark, that if you drink enough beer you don't need bread, plus the Tums taken for the alcoholic gastritis supply all the calcium one needs.

Should I get out more I wonder.
 
2012-12-14 11:52:41 PM
Grocery stores often charge less for certain staple items like meat (i forget what the term is called. Loss leader?) than they can make a profit on so they can get you in the store, and then inflate prices for convenience items to make up for it.

That being said, at least in the U.S., milk prices are intentionally inflated by the government or else dairies could not possibly make any kind of money providing it. The supply/demand curve and the cost of maintaining livestock is such that it would be impossible for dairys to sell milk anywhere close to the cost it requires to produce it.
 
2012-12-15 12:42:18 AM
Milk in the US is expensive because Congress mandates a minimum price. Why does Congress hate children with rickets?
 
2012-12-15 12:44:11 AM
Cheap beer is cheaper at chain grocers here than at liquor stores by large
 
2012-12-15 12:44:46 AM

Ambivalence: Grocery stores often charge less for certain staple items like meat (i forget what the term is called. Loss leader?) than they can make a profit on so they can get you in the store, and then inflate prices for convenience items to make up for it.

That being said, at least in the U.S., milk prices are intentionally inflated by the government or else dairies could not possibly make any kind of money providing it. The supply/demand curve and the cost of maintaining livestock is such that it would be impossible for dairys to sell milk anywhere close to the cost it requires to produce it.


Bullshiat. Supply and Demand. Economics 101. The price would fall below production costs for a while because there are too many producers competing in a limited market. The fall in price would drive some out of business, thus reducing the supply to match the actual demand with the price stabilizing to the market value.
 
2012-12-15 12:47:34 AM
Doesn't he have more pressing things on his agenda? You know, like banning prank phone calls so more nurses don't die?
 
2012-12-15 12:48:29 AM

Ambivalence: Grocery stores often charge less for certain staple items like meat (i forget what the term is called. Loss leader?) than they can make a profit on so they can get you in the store, and then inflate prices for convenience items to make up for it.

That being said, at least in the U.S., milk prices are intentionally inflated by the government or else dairies could not possibly make any kind of money providing it. The supply/demand curve and the cost of maintaining livestock is such that it would be impossible for dairys to sell milk anywhere close to the cost it requires to produce it.


Milk, bread, vegetables and other fresh food are MUCH harder to stock, logistically.

They require refrigeration, non-compact shelf usage, and/or careful handling. And almost all are perishable and what doesn't sell has to get thrown out or discounted. Thus you have to be careful not to order too much, too, you can't just keep extra milk around until it sells.

This is the reason the processed food industry really exists. If milk really could be left in a 1L or 2L plastic bottle on a room-temp space in a nonrefrigerated truck, storeroom, and store shelf, it'd be much easier to carry and would sell a lot better.
 
2012-12-15 12:48:31 AM
Offer not valid in Pennsylvania
 
2012-12-15 12:51:23 AM
It's BS. Most grocery stores operate on an average 30% margin for their goods.

/Currently in the process of opening a grocery store
 
2012-12-15 12:51:30 AM
You'll take my cheap beer from my cold, dead calcium deficient hands!
 
2012-12-15 12:52:07 AM
There's only one liquor store and one grocery store in town. You'll never guess which has the cheapest and largest selection of booze.
 
2012-12-15 12:53:25 AM
Well, my story for tonight is...

Going to the corner store to get a few things... talking with the owner, a very nice man, when this...woman (?) rushes in, grabs to tall cans of some sort of beer (never seen the brand before)... starts paying with coinage, and gets all puzzled when it's about 10-15 cents more than she had estimated (or bought before)... then realized that she grabbed another brand than her accounting planned for. She fussed but drops the extra change (but had taken a few pennies out of the "leave a penny / take a penny" dish... (we are taking this was under 5$ in total).

She states "keep the change" but at the door she turns around and ask for her 6 cents... the owner tells her that she had used the "leave a penny / take a penny" for the difference, and had simply placed her 6 cents back in it. So she takes off a bit peeves about it.

About this time I get t actually see her face...

All it reminded me of was one of "the faces of meth" older short hair blond woman.

Just sad... just so terribly sad to see people do this to themselves and "enjoying it"....
 
2012-12-15 12:58:22 AM
What is this "milk" thing you speak of?
 
2012-12-15 12:58:41 AM

OgreMagi: Ambivalence: Grocery stores often charge less for certain staple items like meat (i forget what the term is called. Loss leader?) than they can make a profit on so they can get you in the store, and then inflate prices for convenience items to make up for it.

That being said, at least in the U.S., milk prices are intentionally inflated by the government or else dairies could not possibly make any kind of money providing it. The supply/demand curve and the cost of maintaining livestock is such that it would be impossible for dairys to sell milk anywhere close to the cost it requires to produce it.

Bullshiat. Supply and Demand. Economics 101. The price would fall below production costs for a while because there are too many producers competing in a limited market. The fall in price would drive some out of business, thus reducing the supply to match the actual demand with the price stabilizing to the market value.


Sure, but it is healthy for a nation to NOT let supply and demand minimize food production. Ramping down production is easy. Ramping it back up is significantly more work.

Fat is better than famine.

Also bread and circuses are good even if you aren't as bad off as the Roman empire.
 
2012-12-15 01:00:19 AM
My grocery store doesn't sell booze. Stop posting everything on Daily Fail.
 
2012-12-15 01:00:59 AM
Yes, i love it when they advertise "specials" and take 20 cents off something or other. They just add that to some other items to make up the difference, but they dont tell you that.
 
2012-12-15 01:01:36 AM
They sell alcohol at supermarkets?

/Lives in PA
 
2012-12-15 01:05:01 AM

Smackledorfer: OgreMagi: Ambivalence: Grocery stores often charge less for certain staple items like meat (i forget what the term is called. Loss leader?) than they can make a profit on so they can get you in the store, and then inflate prices for convenience items to make up for it.

That being said, at least in the U.S., milk prices are intentionally inflated by the government or else dairies could not possibly make any kind of money providing it. The supply/demand curve and the cost of maintaining livestock is such that it would be impossible for dairys to sell milk anywhere close to the cost it requires to produce it.

Bullshiat. Supply and Demand. Economics 101. The price would fall below production costs for a while because there are too many producers competing in a limited market. The fall in price would drive some out of business, thus reducing the supply to match the actual demand with the price stabilizing to the market value.

Sure, but it is healthy for a nation to NOT let supply and demand minimize food production. Ramping down production is easy. Ramping it back up is significantly more work.

Fat is better than famine.

Also bread and circuses are good even if you aren't as bad off as the Roman empire.


Yeah, agriculture isn't something a society wants to have dictated only by supply and demand.
 
2012-12-15 01:08:32 AM
and supermarkets want to give away alcohol for what reason again?
 
2012-12-15 01:10:49 AM
Blaming the drunk and disorderly! What else would you expect from an upper class twit.
 
2012-12-15 01:18:33 AM
As someone who drinks 2+ gallons of milk a week, I'm not getting a kick out of this.
 
2012-12-15 01:18:49 AM
Variable pricing is not new. Staples are generally not marked up very much because they turn so fast and are highly compared (for pricing) items. Niche, gourmet, and organic or dietary-restrictive items are usually inflated beyond the average markup to balance this.

Now you know.

Also, some states have quite a few restrictions on how you can price alcohol. Here in KY, everyone gets the same price wholesale (unless they are skirting the law), and you can't sell anything below that price, among other rules.
 
2012-12-15 01:22:41 AM
So, in essence, fark users benefit tremendously from these policies. Great!
 
2012-12-15 01:25:12 AM

Oznog: Ambivalence: Grocery stores often charge less for certain staple items like meat (i forget what the term is called. Loss leader?) than they can make a profit on so they can get you in the store, and then inflate prices for convenience items to make up for it.

That being said, at least in the U.S., milk prices are intentionally inflated by the government or else dairies could not possibly make any kind of money providing it. The supply/demand curve and the cost of maintaining livestock is such that it would be impossible for dairys to sell milk anywhere close to the cost it requires to produce it.

Milk, bread, vegetables and other fresh food are MUCH harder to stock, logistically.

They require refrigeration, non-compact shelf usage, and/or careful handling. And almost all are perishable and what doesn't sell has to get thrown out or discounted. Thus you have to be careful not to order too much, too, you can't just keep extra milk around until it sells.

This is the reason the processed food industry really exists. If milk really could be left in a 1L or 2L plastic bottle on a room-temp space in a nonrefrigerated truck, storeroom, and store shelf, it'd be much easier to carry and would sell a lot better.


Never heard of aseptic packaging? In Mexico, 95% of the milk sold is non-refrigerated and shelf stable.
 
2012-12-15 01:25:36 AM
Yeah, not so much, Subby. Grocery stores aren't allowed to sell booze where I live. But even if they did, your headline is pretty much the opposite of reality.
 
2012-12-15 01:26:29 AM
Milk used to be a loss-leader. (For those too young to remember the time before capitalism raped everyone up the arse, that was when they sold something at a loss to bring you into the store to buy more things.)

Around 2004-2006 it became a money maker. I know, I read an article in Discover magazine about it. Bow before my education.
 
2012-12-15 01:27:42 AM

jm105: They sell alcohol at supermarkets?

/Lives in PA


Yes, hop on up over the NY border and find a Wegmans; they actually sell the milk CHEAPER. Although it feels like they charge more for the beer, but it's mostly the craft stuff so it's hard to tell.
 
2012-12-15 01:29:23 AM
This is why I get my grains from unfiltered wheat beer.
 
2012-12-15 01:31:09 AM

MorteDiem: Oznog: Ambivalence: Grocery stores often charge less for certain staple items like meat (i forget what the term is called. Loss leader?) than they can make a profit on so they can get you in the store, and then inflate prices for convenience items to make up for it.

That being said, at least in the U.S., milk prices are intentionally inflated by the government or else dairies could not possibly make any kind of money providing it. The supply/demand curve and the cost of maintaining livestock is such that it would be impossible for dairys to sell milk anywhere close to the cost it requires to produce it.

Milk, bread, vegetables and other fresh food are MUCH harder to stock, logistically.

They require refrigeration, non-compact shelf usage, and/or careful handling. And almost all are perishable and what doesn't sell has to get thrown out or discounted. Thus you have to be careful not to order too much, too, you can't just keep extra milk around until it sells.

This is the reason the processed food industry really exists. If milk really could be left in a 1L or 2L plastic bottle on a room-temp space in a nonrefrigerated truck, storeroom, and store shelf, it'd be much easier to carry and would sell a lot better.

Never heard of aseptic packaging? In Mexico, 95% of the milk sold is non-refrigerated and shelf stable.


No, I never have. I have never seen it on the shelf in the USA. Hmmm... "Parmalat". TIL.
 
2012-12-15 01:34:02 AM

Mad Mark: What is this "milk" thing you speak of?


It's what you melt chocolate in and then spike with booze. Liquid panty remover
 
2012-12-15 01:39:13 AM

oi_piss_me_off: the grocery stores in my county don't sell alcohol. I have to go to either the beer and wine store or the county hard liquor store.


I immediately knew what county you meant when I read the comment. Sucks to live here. However, technically you can buy beer or wine in "a" grocery store, meaning that each chain (such as Giant, Safeway, etc) may only legally sell alcohol in one store in the county. I believe that, for Giant, it's the White Oak store. But this county's alcohol laws are just batshiat insane.
 
2012-12-15 01:39:59 AM
I'm ok with this.
 
2012-12-15 01:41:40 AM
Don't have that problem here in PA! What's our excuse?
 
2012-12-15 01:43:46 AM

BradleyUffner: Don't have that problem here in PA! What's our excuse?


WTF that's like the 3rd post about PA. WTH is wrong with you guys?
 
2012-12-15 01:45:27 AM
If you agree to the price, you're not being overcharged.
 
2012-12-15 01:46:26 AM
Has he thought of using maths?

/carry the two and everything?
 
2012-12-15 01:47:26 AM

Smeggy Smurf: Mad Mark: What is this "milk" thing you speak of?

It's what you melt chocolate in and then spike with booze. Liquid panty remover


Smeggy Smurf: Mad Mark: What is this "milk" thing you speak of?

It's what you melt chocolate in and then spike with booze. Liquid panty remover


www.worldsstrangest.com

It's the white part of a White Russian.
 
2012-12-15 01:49:53 AM

oi_piss_me_off: the grocery stores in my county don't sell alcohol. I have to go to either the beer and wine store or the county hard liquor store.


stop being a pussy an protest that shiat
 
2012-12-15 01:51:24 AM
What a moran.

Just go to any convenience store.
 
2012-12-15 01:51:39 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: BradleyUffner: Don't have that problem here in PA! What's our excuse?

WTF that's like the 3rd post about PA. WTH is wrong with you guys?


Blue laws?
 
2012-12-15 01:52:56 AM

jm105: They sell alcohol at supermarkets?

/Lives in PA


In CA, grocery stores sell everything. Booze, wine, beer...everything. I move to MS after getting orders...holy cow, these people are clueless on how other states operate.
 
2012-12-15 01:58:39 AM

jm105: They sell alcohol at supermarkets?

/Lives in PA


Move out of PA.

/harrisburg
 
2012-12-15 02:08:33 AM

MorteDiem: This is the reason the processed food industry really exists. If milk really could be left in a 1L or 2L plastic bottle on a room-temp space in a nonrefrigerated truck, storeroom, and store shelf, it'd be much easier to carry and would sell a lot better.

Never heard of aseptic packaging? In Mexico, 95% of the milk sold is non-refrigerated and shelf stable.


cdn9.wn.com

Pretty big in Europe too, I gather. Seems to be good for 9 months or a year on the shelf, but obviously it has to be refrigerated once it's opened and then lasts about as long as a normal carton of milk. I'm no milk connoisseur, but it tasted fine to me.

My guess is that it's not caught on in the US because people would just be too weirded out by the concept of buying milk on the shelf next to, say, canned tomatoes.

UHT milk
 
2012-12-15 02:10:04 AM

lousyskater: There's only one liquor store and one grocery store in town. You'll never guess which has the cheapest and largest selection of booze.


The one that's not open late Friday and Saturday nights?
 
2012-12-15 02:10:13 AM

ramblinwreck: jm105: They sell alcohol at supermarkets?

/Lives in PA

In CA, grocery stores sell everything. Booze, wine, beer...everything. I move to MS after getting orders...holy cow, these people are clueless on how other states operate.


Allow me to demonstrate: NSFW in general but this one isn't too bad
 
2012-12-15 02:11:09 AM
It wouldn't make a difference. I have to go back to the store for eggs and fresh fruits and vegetables once a week anyways. Milk lasts plenty long for me. Though I have heard the aseptic stuff has a better taste. But I don't really have a leg to stand on regarding milk taste: I drink skim.
 
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