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(Some Guy)   Do you use picture passwords in WIndows 8? Hope you cleaned your screen   (uncoveror.com) divider line 30
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12640 clicks; posted to Geek » on 14 Dec 2012 at 6:05 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2012-12-14 07:26:52 PM
5 votes:
"hacked"

Tracing smudges is not hacking..
2012-12-14 09:19:57 PM
2 votes:

drjekel_mrhyde: This is a problem on all touch OS's
/Happened on iOS
//Happened on Android


It is a serious bug in Windows 8 since everybody hates Micro$oft. WIN 8 SUCKS BALLZ.

//do not look at your iPhone or Android phone, rules do not apply
2012-12-14 07:33:00 PM
2 votes:
Aion uses what I consider to be a pretty clever anti-hacking password methodology in their game. You have to set a 6+ digit password for each character. You can't type it in, you have to click the numbers in your traditional numpad layout. But here's the kicker, the numbers are randomly arranged. Seems pretty solid to me.
2012-12-14 07:23:09 PM
2 votes:

cman: I wont use anything but a random generated character/number password until we get some honest to god good iris scanning software for security.


www.pinballrebel.com

/biometrics have their own problems
2012-12-15 04:47:58 PM
1 votes:
This is not a "hack" and the picture passwords have a higher statistical confidence than typed passwords or pin numbers. The research is over a decade old and has seen intense usability and scientific scrutiny. THere were "tablets" in 1995 that had this ability. There were touch screen kiosks at zoo's, night clubs, cashier's machines at any given store, I literally can't run out of examples from memory and we NEVER had a big news item this method was a security vulnerability. In over a decade.

That is why this is not a link to some MIT security research, or some black hat crushing blow vulnerability revelation at a press conference. It's just a link to some jack ass'es web page. It doesn't take a rocket scientists to know that some random web user's anectdotal computer forensics is hardly warrant to condemn the software, the devices, and the method across the board.

Besides, not keeping your hands clean before using a touch screen (yea, the oil is not apparent if you do that) is about as irresponsible as typing your password one key at a time in plainview of somebody. And if you get the screen protectors for most of the devices, the oil can be wiped off right away or in my experience just smudges up a whole bunch obscuring the image. btw,. : Android's PIN or image passwords have the same farking vulnerability. Why no critics weighing in on this? Oh, duh. Either submitter, moderator, page author, or all three, just don't like Microsoft.

Stop green lighting all this ridiculous anti-MS bullshiat on the geek page, Fark. It's so frequent I'm starting to question the motivation behind it. Like it's not just cultural, it could be ... fiscal....
2012-12-15 07:16:49 AM
1 votes:
Except, of course, that you need more than the final image to crack the password. You need the sequence in which the pattern was drawn. Unless you are dealing with a simpleton, it's about as hard to decipher as a password in which you know which buttons were pressed, but not the sequence.

For simple patterns, all that's required is brute force an ignorance. For longer sequences, you are pretty much back to rubber hose cryptanalysis.
2012-12-15 02:02:32 AM
1 votes:

DeathByGeekSquad: Common sense is hacking now?


It's a goddamned superpower these days
2012-12-15 01:20:20 AM
1 votes:
This isn't a new problem. Hell, I helped a client access her Android a couple years ago using the pattern lock because I saw the smudges. :)
2012-12-15 12:21:30 AM
1 votes:
This just in, water is wet.
2012-12-15 12:18:29 AM
1 votes:
Like the Cheetos stains on the keyboard weren't a dead giveaway already.
2012-12-14 11:09:53 PM
1 votes:

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Picture passwords are for idiots. I always use 1-2-3-4-5


I have the same combination on my luggage!
2012-12-14 10:45:02 PM
1 votes:
What's funny about this: my computer guy told me not to use the picture password for my new Windows 8 for just this reason..

/I really do need to find an excuse to give him a 'slurpee'
2012-12-14 10:31:28 PM
1 votes:
Once I read this, it immediately became completely glaringly obvious. Hell, a great example: For the longest time, my friend's cell phone was kept by the local Best Buy as an example. Before they had the capacitive screens, she had worn down her touch screen to the point that there were thirty or so little scratch patches in a perfect QWERTY pattern. They used it to show people what happened if you didn't buy the screen protectors.
2012-12-14 10:04:10 PM
1 votes:

King Something: [krui.fm image 450x730]
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[www.ret-monitor.com image 450x326]
[www.501neg.com image 531x400]


encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

I refute you thus.
2012-12-14 10:03:13 PM
1 votes:
Why would someone want to break into Windows 8? That's like intentionally moving to Detroit.
2012-12-14 08:03:22 PM
1 votes:
Don't want to learn ANY oils on your screen? Get a pair of Isotoner Smartouch gloves.
The conductive fingertips will also allow you to keep your hands warm in inclement weather.

www.smartouchgloves.com

/bought a pair for my fiancee
//she loves em
2012-12-14 07:48:03 PM
1 votes:
I should add an addendum for the work place - if you are working on a device that you leave in the office, then you shouldn't have personal stuff on it that you'd be concerned about if people were to indeed tamper with it.
2012-12-14 07:37:21 PM
1 votes:
krui.fm
petesmedia.com
www.ret-monitor.com
www.501neg.com
2012-12-14 07:32:34 PM
1 votes:

gingerjet: Imperious Rex!: Isn't this only really a problem if your computer/tablet/phone gets stolen?

Because that never happens. Ever.

/during the normal course of the year - we expect at least 10% of mobile devices to get lost, stolen, or stolen in a divorce
//that number is inching upwards as devices get smaller


Of course it happens, that's not my point. My point is that this article seems like it is trying to use this new method of logging into your device as a OMGPANIC scenario, when the only time it'll come into play is when you no longer have control over your device, at which point the chance of it being hacked will be the same regardless of whether or not you use this method or not.

Also, as others have said, I highly doubt that if you're using a touch screen device the only time you are going to use swiping motions on the screen is when you log in.
2012-12-14 07:24:38 PM
1 votes:

Imperious Rex!: Isn't this only really a problem if your computer/tablet/phone gets stolen?


Because that never happens. Ever.

/during the normal course of the year - we expect at least 10% of mobile devices to get lost, stolen, or stolen in a divorce
//that number is inching upwards as devices get smaller
2012-12-14 07:14:23 PM
1 votes:

titwrench: Niveras: After all, if you start making a circle at the top and move left to right, that is clockwise.

Isn't that counter-clockwise? Starting at the top and moving left would count down from 12.

Left to right---> clock wise


I was ready to post the same thing, but I think what he's trying to say is "from the 12:00 position, you move rightward to go clockwise." "Left to right" is being used as an awkward synonym for "rightward."
2012-12-14 07:09:54 PM
1 votes:

titwrench: Niveras: After all, if you start making a circle at the top and move left to right, that is clockwise.

Isn't that counter-clockwise? Starting at the top and moving left would count down from 12.

Left to right---> clock wise


Maybe I'm misinterpreting his instructions, but when I draw a circle - for example, a zero or the letter O, I start at 12, move left to 9, down to 6, right to 3, up to 12. That is definitely counter clockwise. (I am right handed.) Maybe I'm a total farking freak and everyone else draws circles clockwise, starting at 12 to 3 to 6 to 9 to 12, and I've just never noticed before.

"Left to right" does not define sufficient dimensions to be described as clockwise or not.
2012-12-14 07:07:34 PM
1 votes:
Picture passwords are for idiots. I always use 1-2-3-4-5
2012-12-14 06:54:59 PM
1 votes:
So picture passwords are just as safe as any Windows password, i.e. not at all?
2012-12-14 06:20:51 PM
1 votes:
Can't you just use your mouse?
2012-12-14 06:18:00 PM
1 votes:
So, we needed a whole article to say, "Hey, remember what we said about pattern locks in phones? Yeah, that, but in Windows 8."

Whew! Tell the editor I'm done for the day.
2012-12-14 06:11:44 PM
1 votes:

vpb: Because People in power are Stupid: Why do the pictures have to appear in the same place everytime?

They don't, but they do on Android, and this is a re-cycled story about Android pattern locking.


Yes, but any time someone can take a swing at Microsoft, well, there will be someone stepping up with a hyperbole-laden story.
2012-12-14 05:56:32 PM
1 votes:
Windows users are all 'let's draw a picture on the screen - boop-be-boop' while Mac users are all 'lets enter our complex 20 character passwords that rhyme with orange and contain uppercase, lowecase, greek, swahili and roman numerals'
2012-12-14 05:44:55 PM
1 votes:
I wont use anything but a random generated character/number password until we get some honest to god good iris scanning software for security.
2012-12-14 05:06:03 PM
1 votes:
Why do the pictures have to appear in the same place everytime?
 
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